Enemy of the State? Me?
by Jeffrey JenaWow! Here is what I did today. I taught my comedy writing classes, I went to the driving range and YMCA with my son, and I worked for about four hours on a new web site I‘m helping to launch. Let me see was there anything else? Oh yeah, I became a dangerous potential terrorist and enemy of the state.
Gun Owner
How did I become more dangerous to America than an Islamic fundamentalist with a vest full of C-4? It was all my fault! You see, I was so worried about Big Brother I didn’t see Big Sister sneaking up on me. Janet Napolitano has declared that a lot of Americans who are only exercising their constitutional rights are a danger to the country.
After six years of hearing the liberals in this country cry about how the evil Bush/ Cheney cabal had infringed their civil rights we have change. Our new administration is bringing us change we can believe in. They would rather spy on conservative Americans than offend Europeans or the King of some third world country. They would rather infringe upon my God given freedoms than offend the Castro brothers.
For this article I Googled both the Bill of Rights and the explosive C-4 so I am sure the alarms are going off at Homeland Security right now. Some right-wing extremist is hard at work!
Here’s the deal Ms. Napolitano, if you want to spy on me come to my front door. Ask me some questions and I will admit everything
Yes, I own guns, I support pro-life groups, I think people who break the law to come here should be shown the door, no matter where they came from. I really don’t give a rat’s backside what anyone in Europe or Asia thinks about my country. I believe in the Constitution and if you don’t then change it by vote of the people and not by back-dooring me with economic stimulus programs and activist judges.
You want to hear something I believe that will really scare you, Ms Napolitano?
Here it is:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it…
I wish I would have written that, Thomas Jefferson did. I think he owned guns too. Maybe he’s on your dangerous right-wing nut-job Enemies of the State list too.
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When did conservative patriotism become a threat to National Security? How did it?
People may not like it but to take this type of belief and call it dangerous is amazing to me.
On a side note, When was the last time any of you really cared who was elected Presidet or Prime Minister of a foreign Nation? Do any of you plan on comming to hear a speech at a huge rally by any of them? Why does the rest of the world care so much about Obama? I could give a flying fig about their leaders.
But they are such experts at back-dooring. The hand on your shoulder is just their way of saying "trust me".
The document about left-wing Extremism (Google "vaunted Left-Wing Extremism Report" with quotes) only names specific groups and threats.
Yeah, this "Right-wing Extremism Report" is aimed at those who merely disagree with the Obama administration, not those who commit violent acts of terrorism.
Strange how they bow and scrape for Western Europeans and Saudi royalty, yet curse American citizens who disagree with them to the bone?
Of course, the Left can only support any crackdown on right-wing speech. After all, Bush's wiretaps were bad not because of potential for abuse (that's what I believed, so I mistrusted the wiretaps), but because they were being done by a right-winger.
The document about left-wing Extremism (Google "vaunted Left-Wing Extremism Report" with quotes) only names specific groups and threats.
Yeah, this "Right-wing Extremism Report" is aimed at those who merely disagree with the Obama administration, not those who commit violent acts of terrorism.
Strange how they bow and scrape for Western Europeans and Saudi royalty, yet curse American citizens who disagree with them to the bone?
Of course, the Left can only support any crackdown on right-wing speech. After all, Bush's wiretaps were bad not because of potential for abuse (that's what I believed, so I mistrusted the wiretaps), but because they were being done by a right-winger.
In that case, sign me up as an EotS too!
http://lonewolfarcher.blogspot.com
Good one! If that's what they think, then their list of enemies is going to be so long what else could they do but proclaim martial law.
I have guns and I support right to life groups and I want the government to put an end to illegal immigration (or at the very least stay out of the way of those who DO want to protect our borders).
I also believe in states rights and Thomas Jefferson is one of my favorite writers. If that makes ME an enemy of the state, then I'll wear that moniker proudly.
How about left wingers killing un-born babies. Are they on the list?
I thought that hand on the shoulder was misdirection – take your mind off the other hand fishing for your wallet.
The only way to reverse the statist trend is to repeal the seventeenth amendment, which would decentralize a lot of the power that has coalesced in Washington. Since there would be less power, there would also be less corruption.
Domestic right wing terrorist speaking, these idiots in Washington firmly believe that Conservative Republicans who believe in (such as myself) a limited government, our constitution, in life, strong borders, the Iraqi and Afghan wars, are more dangerous then the terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
Excellent point.
I want to be an EofS too! Where do I sign up? I think I will give my Congresspersons my name, address, and phone number so they can find me when they need to. It will save time and money and they won't have to guess.
Perhaps we should tell Napolitano we're all illegal immigrants or undocumented migrants (whatever the latest politically correct term is), then she would leave all of us alone.
You pro-freedom people are paranoid. If there's one thing that we know of Obama from his history and his statements, there has never been a president so dedicated to individual liberty as he, and no president has ever surrounded himself with such a zealous bunch of libertarians as he has.
On Bizarro Planet, that is. Here, we're screwed.
Oh no no no. The misdirection comes when at first you feel breasts pressed against your back. Either way they're digging for gold and it's gonna hurt the next morning.
I am thinking that the next proper term for illegal aliens will be "de facto voters"
I think some may have missed your punch line. I agree. Unless we do something about it "here we're screwed".
You are absolutely right! I have the same beliefs, I own guns, and I am a military veteran. I guess that makes me a dangerous enemy of the state also.
Man, the only thing I enjoyed here more than that excellent piece are the comments! Fantastic.
Now, if we could just clone Mr. Jena AND all of you!?
I hope you'll all reading the REPORT….your name's in it there along with mine. This is scary stuff, folks.
We're going to have to do MUCH more than Tea Parties… Did you hear Bob Beckel say "It's a good thing they're not VODKA PARTIES, because those people have GUNS!"
Typical, huh? z
……me too, me too, I wanna be on the list. I will consider it an honor. Oh crap , I'm Libertarian. I guess I already am.
No, they do it in the name of "women's rights," so that makes them okay and good, wholesome Americans.
It became a threat when conservatives started bombing abortion clinics and federal buildings after they were voted out of power. Now that you are out of power again, you can bet that violent actions are being plotted against the US right now.
Your beliefs are dangerous because you advocate violent use of force against your own country (citing the founding fathers) when you can't get your way in a democratic fashion. Couple this with a dangerous dose of religious extremism and you have the ingredients for terrorist activity.
Please tell me how advocating the overthrow of a democratically elected American president is patriotic. I think you and Mr. Jena need to learn what living in a democracy really means. You sir, are no patriot.
What ever Bush did, he did for the security of the country. These new constitutional violations by the Obama administration are being done political reasons. The memo is simply stating the Obama administration is using law enforcement against their political opponents.
Janet Napolitano is Obama's Janet Reno, and she'll find her Elian Gonzalez and her Branch Davidians, just you wait and see.
My favorite is Paul Krugman's editorial in the NYSlimes..er..Times.
"…They’re AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects..And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News."
I put the link so that all can read the whole screed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13krugm...
wow, you read my mind, you sir are indeed amazing.
Please tell me more about who I am and what I believe.
Pot, meet Kettle.
You will be happy to know that the Texas State legislature and Gov. Perry just passed a bill affirming the soveignty of the State of Texas under the 10th Amendment –
Statement from Gov. Perry 4/9/09
“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”
"The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Some of our uninvited guests seem to think that means we're ready for an armed rebellion. We're not—yet. So long as democratic institutions exist and the will of the people elects people like Obama, we will keep our own counsel and attempt to persuade the people that they have been wrong. What the author, and Jefferson, said is a warning of what we are willing to do if Obama and his gang continue to try to whittle away our right of opposition. So far, they have only pointed the way. If they ever act on their instincts, we will be ready. And we won't need nutcases like Timothy McVeigh to guide our way. We have those Founding Fathers and The Declaration of Independence, and a whole lot of others to guide us, whether the Obamists like our taste in literature or not.
Bev, thanks, but I swear I can't read his (@*$&(* anymore…I have one foot on the ledge up here by my window already, anyway! (Smile!!) (ya, I WILL take a peek..thanks for going to the trouble)
Thanks for that quote…See? it's Saul Alinsky ALL OVER THE PLACE! Read his 'rules'….our country's being run by them now. They seem to have supplanted the Constitution..!! Or at least ETHICS?
We're so losing it lately! Do you know that there's a PUBLIC high school in NYC named for avowed socialist Norman Thomas? What the..? PUBLIC, I called and inquired!
So, yes…we're the FAKE grass roots people, the "usual suspects"…like McVeigh and Ruby Ridge's bubbas……. welcome to our new world (order!)!!
anitfascist,
See I think we can all agree that anyone who bombs abortion clinics or federal buildings are dangerous and must be stopped and prosecuted. You are missing the point (deliberately I think) that Napolitano is lumping any conservative in the same pile as Timothy McVeigh. It is just as preposterous for "progressives" to couch reasonable dissent as "dangerous" as it is for conservatives.
Well, it's official. The newly elected government has classified me (a veteran of the Vietnam War Era) and my brothers and sisters who have honorably served in Iraq and Afghanistan as potential right-wing extremists. I suppose I'll have to register somewhere as a "potential right-wing extremist." Good going, Obama. What an administration. You can really pick 'em.
Janet NoManAtAllo was a disaster for Arizona and now has an entire country to destroy thanks to her bud Obama.
All this lingo is confusing me….so are we the terrorists now…and the islamic fundamentalists are "man made disasters"….or are the "man made disasters" the unwanted babies…or are they just "punishment".
This administration make Clinton's playing with words look infantile.
"Conservative patriotism" became a threat to National Security when the right-wing extremists starting using inflammatory rhetoric such as fascism to talk about our President. Instead of placing the blame where it belongs, i.e., on the corporatism that taken over our country, they prefer to scream like a bunch of babies who lost their pacifiers. These people are not patriotic – they evidently don't care at all about our country that has been hijacked by a bunch of selfish, greedy individuals who didn't give a flying fig about their leaders, their country or anyone else besides themselves. We are blessed to live in a country where we can make changes to correct our direction when we are clearly running off a cliff. Give President Obama a chance. The rest of the world can see that we elected a great leader, whether we have the sense to recognize it or not.
I find it interesting how many people know the inner desires of my soul. Now i'm a greedy corporatist too.
You paint with a very broad brush
I have an idea….
After 22 years as an active duty Navy SEAL what if I just renounced my American citizenship…?
Would I become an 'illegal alien' and therefore be one of the new Napalitano protected class of (cough!) americans?
I guess the up side would be that I wouldn't be considered a 'right wing extremist' and wouldn't have to pay taxes anymore, and I would be able to get free healthcare, and welfare.
The downside would be that I am automatically enrolled in the democrat (read: socialist) party.
Woa! I almost lost my mind for a minute!
Are you joking???? What about right-wing extremists killing our young people by lying to them about "patriotism" and having them fight their wars??? Or letting unwanted children die of hunger in our own inner cities because the programs designed to help them were cut by a government more interested in war than in helping our own people? Kind of a misguided sense of patriotism, I think.
I don't blame you! I refuse to read the NYT. I only read it 'cause someone made me. Please don't jump! Just laugh at them. That's what I do. Not only does it make me feel better, but it really makes them mad…
You twits wouldn't know a socialist if he came on your face. Just shut up about stuff you don't understand, you retards.
Thomas Jefferson, quote,
What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds…[we will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers… And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for[ another]… till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery… And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.
We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these ends, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government shall become destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, & to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles & organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety & happiness.
Put on your own chains, antifascist. I refuse those you and yours have for me.
Is there a prize for getting to -100 first? I'm mean, is that what you are going for here? I'm not inclined to paraphrase David Letterman on anything, but you can't be dumb enough to believe the stuff you write. You certainly aren't doing it to convince anyone of something. So what's the point? Just to irritate others? If that's it you need to seek professional help. Seriously. Taking enjoyment from making others unhappy is not a way to fulfillment. Seek another path.
Kudos to you, sir. I totally agree — when did it become "patriotic" to act out in such a childish (and unrealistic) fashion because you disagree with a new direction that may actually be FOR the people instead of acting directly against the well-being of our citizens. The financial terrorists who nearly brought this country down still have not received the punishment they deserve. They are the real problem — that and the right-wing extremists who have been brain-washed by our conservative, propaganda-based media.
Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
This is a very astute observation. Even before the latest report came out I had been wondering how she managed to get to be head of Homeland Security. I mean, how exactly is she qualified. The first head of DHS was a governor too, but he seemed much more qualified for the job. I also felt Chertoff had a handle on the job.
Napolitano, not so much. That's why she's like Reno who was apparently a nice person, but way over her head when it came to the job of Attorney General. Aside from the possibility that she will find her Elian Gonzalez, etc., I worry that Napolitano will be taking her eyes off the real threats to our national security in favor of political posturing (or worse).
Troll alert!
How about you and me have a nice little chat face to face you ignorant punk?
Name the time and place and bring all your friends 'cause there aint enough of you.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
ever get the feeling like alot of people in the administration (of both parties and in both houses of congress for that matter) are playing house? A lot of them seem to be in over their heads. They don't inspire much confidence.
It's not because we want to do terrorism, "antifascist." It's because they want to silence us and paint us as enemies of the state merely for disagreeing. Remember when dissent was patriotic?
And this is the thinking that will get people killed.
You honestly don't care that North Korea is quickly advancing to nuclear strike capabilities with the obviously-unstable Kim Jung-Il calling the shots? You really are ambivalent that Iran, headed by the violently anti-American Ahmadinejad, have repeatedly expressed intentions to develop a nuclear power plant?
You don't address a problem by not giving "a flying fig".
Still no pie?
"Just shut up about stuff you don't understand…"
The bolded part sums up the leftists' position nicely. When a Republican is in the White House, dissent is the highest form of patriotism. When a Democrat is in the White House, dissenters should shut up because they got voted out of power.
It goes to show what these people think of free political discourse if "shut up" is all they can bring to the table. Dissent is always patriotic — no matter what party the President is.
As a proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy a quick message to the statist, Bite me! Washington politicians are out of control time to drain the swamp.
Another radical sentence from Thomas Jefferson: But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Spoken like a true leftist – paint an entire group of people as equivalent to a few flaming whackos.
It's easy though, right? It doesn't take any thought or understanding or investigation – that causes headaches, dizziness and an unfuzzy feeling in the head that some leftists can't live without.
We'll said Hawk!
Thanks for your service!
First Obama tries to charge GI's for their medical treatment ("I'm sorry Private, your insurance carrier doesn't cover battlefield injuries. Your commander-in-chief says you gotta die now.") When that fell through he decided to label veterans as terrorists. Now we know why he dropped the term "War on Terrorism" – it's because he was planning to use it for his war on veterans.
What's next? Public executions for reciting the pledge of allegiance? Declaring law enforcement a hate crime? Mandatory bowing before the King of Saudi Arabia?
Let me clarify. I don't understand the worldwide excitement for any president, including our own. Dangerous leaders are of course cause for concern.
My point is we have people selling Obama gear and food products in an attempt to capitalize on him. It seems to be working. i just don't get celebrity or politician worship.
"..If there's one thing that we know of Obama from his history and his statements, there has never been a president so dedicated to individual liberty as he…"
Explain please. Or are you just talking about the freedom to kill one's unborn child?
Much like Clinton used the IRS against HIS political opponents.
Thank you Stan, it has been my honor and privilege.
About the same time it became chic' to call Bush a fascist and to have "abusive and violent" rallys denouncing the government, the armed forces and conservative talk radio hosts. In other words during the Bush Presidency.
Mary, when you say "The rest of the world can see that we elected a great leader" are you talking about the world that elected Putin, Medvedev, Ahmadinejad, Cretian, Chriac, Brown, Merkel, Chavez, F. Castro, R. Castro, Yeltsin, Mitterand, Kohl, Rafsanjani, S. Hussein, H. Assad, B. Assad, not to mention the folks who elected Herr Hitler and Il Duce? These are the folks whom you think have such great political judgement that we should value their opinion? So far the evidence seems to be that the world like Hopeychange, but nobody in the govts. of Russia, China, N.Korea, Iran, Somalia, the G-20 has any respect for him. And which would YOU rather have?
charles, it is an honor and a privilege to be included with you and your brothers and sisters at arms as an EotS.
Hey what's goin' on here at BH today? We've got a discussion about "t-bagging" w/ the Gutfield article, now you're talking about "back-dooring" Lead. Is BH being infiltrated?
You mean the same young people who are on the front lines and vote for George Bush and support conservative values 3 to 1. Get a clue or talk to a person serving in Iraq like I do every day.
"our country that has been hijacked by a bunch of selfish, greedy individuals who didn't give a flying fig about their leaders, their country or anyone else besides themselves."
Just to be clear – you're talking about Congress, right? Reid, Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chuckie Shumer et al?
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Always nice to hear from someone who shares my love for the documents surrounding the Revolution. I don't know whether to be surprised, revolted or genuinely angry with people who think that admiring that work means that we're about to blow up their pretty socialist paradise. We are willing to exercise self-defense and are armed against potential tyranny (which I have emphasized multiple times has not yet occurred). The left and the jihadists are willing to kill to advance their agenda. That is not a subtle difference.
They also have no sense of history. The Founders took a very long time, plenty of diplomacy, multiple petitions and protests and willingness to submit to the king before they finally knew that only Revolution would end the oppression. The kooks posting here and at the Daily Kos, HuffPo and other sites act as if we've gone from losing an election, to protests, to armed rebellion in the name of Timothy McVeigh in less than four months. They must be a lot more afraid than we had any idea. I don't have wild eyes, I haven't been in a violent demonstration since my radical days at Berkeley in the 60s, and I've never tossed a Molotov cocktail or fired a shot in anger. But I didn't learn my rebellious ways from the right wing conspiracy. I learned them from my lefty pals, Saul Alinsky, and anti-American professors. The ones who cited many of the same quotations they seem to think are used exclusively by the Timothy McVeighs of this world.
"Or letting unwanted children die of hunger in our own inner cities" ????????????? Where the hell did you study? At the Brothers Grimm University of Fairy Tales and Other Made Up Kids Stories?
Bill Ayers is not and never has been on the FBI 10 most wanted list. Eric Rudolph has, and has been apprehended, and is currently serving 5 consecutive life sentences. Bill Ayers, in his own words, is "guilty as hell, free as a bird." Bernadine Dorhn, his accomplice, made a brief stint on the list, but was removed when charges were dropped. There's a marked difference in ideology and result, but not in methodology of those I've listed. Where's the equity?
Did you read all the stuff at the top about tyranny? Obama is a TYRANT. We, the People, have been giving him the benefit of the doubt for the last couple of months, but the leopard doesn't appear to be changing his spots.
And who let them take advantage of the people? I ask, and I answer: A largely liberal congress who pushed the banks to make risky loans. It's not the banker's fault. They were just following orders.
I'm not going to touch the conservative, propaganda-based media line. If your head hasn't exploded by now because of the doublethink required to type that, then there's no HOPE for you.
thanks, Bev!! I appreciate that. NO worries…I'm not jumping….YET!!
Yes, laughing's the best thing. And you and I are having it the toughest, living in LA and NYC! Liberal bastions….ugh! Nice to meet you! Hang in there!
Were you assigned here by Huff Po, Young Democrats, or ACORN? You've got till Nov. 2010, then clean out your desk.
Jeff, you're wrong. Janet IS big BROTHER cuz she don't look like no sister that I've ever seen.
Jeff, you're wrong. Janet IS big BROTHER cuz she don't look like no sister that I've ever seen.
FBO, and the morons he rode in on. There, his "chance" is over. The rest of the world! Turkey? Iran? North Korea? The French president called him "weak" today. Ya, that's some foreign love. Go bow to a statue of Stalin.
Dear President Obama,
Please get control of your useful idiots. They are embarrassing you. I want you to be successful and a great leader. Please tell everyone that these last 90 days where your " Learning Curve" and that you now know whats going on in your administration.
Bless You,
Joe Citizen
Dear Anti
Here is the difference between us, I will admit the people like Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh are dangerous and should be punished. How about extreme leftist who do violnce like Presidential Pal Bill Ayers. Why is it, oh wise one, that not two years ago HIllary Clinton was shouting about how desent is very patriotic your ilk cheered and now if I quote Thomas Jefferson from the Declartion of Independence I am no patriot? Why does Christian fundamentalism scare you when no christian fundamnetalist has even committed an act of terror and yet your favorite liberal administration won't even call an act of terror by am Islamic Fundamentalist a "terrorist act" but perfers the term "man made disaster. Will you at least show some intellectual honesty and say that is beyond stupid? I have lived in several countries that were not democracies and I know the difference. And you, Anti, what have you, to quote another Democrat, done for your country. I am going to guess the answer is nothing? Am I right?
You sir, are a moron!
Sorry, Libtard. As soon as you start redistributing income, confiscating wealth from those who earned it to give to whomever you think is more 'deserving,' you've crossed the Red Rubicon. If the hammer and sickle fit, wear 'em, Comrade.
And if the latest amnesty bill goes through, they'll be de jure voters. De jure is legalese for "now you can vote at least once in every election."
Calling our president a fascist is criminal now? Where are the trials for all those who called Bush the exact same thing? The shoe's not so comfortable now that it's on the other foot, is it?
They've already got our names…
Dear Mary
If you are so confident in Mr Obama are you will to say in six months his poll number are still above 50 %
I asked Anti this question last week and he cribbed an answer from wiki, so can ytou define Fascism without looking it up? I know when Bush was President lefties like you tossed that term around quite, I hope you'll forgive the pun, liberally
Obama is no fascist but he is a marxist and a socialist and in his first 85 days he has proved it.
Enjoy your victory while you can and in two years the house and Senate will be Republican again and lets see if you have the same attitude about letting people have time to get their agenda going.
The last inner city kid dying of hunger that I saw had a pistol pointed at a convenience store clerk. Looked like he was taking care of himself pretty well.
Charles: I too am a veteran of the Viet Nam War era, but we probably weren't entirely on the same side at the time, and I wasn't in uniform. I was pro-America, anti-Viet Nam War. I come from a military family with a long history of defending America, but I simply thought we didn't have it right in Southeast Asia at that time. Over time, I recognized how vital the military was in protecting my right to disagree. And it won't be the military who ultimately tries to grab that right to dissent away from us. The current report as released from the Holder office with support from the White House singles out our military as potential dangers, but they have no intention of stopping there. We who are appalled by the road to socialism and thought-policing and are turning out in the streets to protest are in the barrel too. They just choose vets because they figure you're better armed. Maybe they're right, but they shouldn't bet on it. We're all going to be on the list soon.
ZinLA
Thank you for your kind words
I am not a betting man but if I was I might wager thet Bob Beckle is no strange to Vodka Parties.
There you go Stan quoting that extremist Declaration of Independance and that no count gun owner Thomas Jefferson
"Yes, I own guns, I support pro-life groups, I think people who break the law to come here should be shown the door, no matter where they came from. I really don’t give a rat’s backside what anyone in Europe or Asia thinks about my country. I believe in the Constitution and if you don’t then change it by vote of the people and not by back-dooring me with economic stimulus programs and activist judges"
After 8 + years of bashing W, I thought that I was alone on these items. Ok! So I do not have a gun. Yet!
===It became a threat when conservatives started bombing abortion clinics and federal buildings after they were voted out of power…..liberal fascist===
These liberal troglodytes are indeed stuck on stupid. They babble about abortion bombings despite the fact there hasn’t been one in decades probably. Of course these leftist clowns have no indignation for Barack Hussein’s friend, Bill Ayers, who bombed a police station and other govt facilities leading to the murder of one individual. Maybe this liberal puke has some condemnation for the green-terrorists here in the US. No, to the liberal bottom feeders the only enemy is The Right.
These liberal pukes don’t deserve to live in this country or call themselves Americans. They’re socialist parasites and useless sacks of shyt.
What could be freer than that?
As Kane or Kotos once said: "Abortions for all!" *half the crowd riots* "Abortions for none!" *the other half riots* "Abortions for some, Miniature American flags for all!" *the crowd cheers.
Mr. Jena, THAT is hilarious…and you probably could make a WHOPPING bet on that!! Thanks for the laugh!
"I taught my comedy writing classes…"
That's the first funny thing you've written in your life.
Could you imagine parking yourself at the Daily Kos for a month like our Confederate Flag burning (my- how Brave! how gratuitous!) contributor just to throw broad stroke lefty non-sequitirs around like beanbags in a pre-school class? There is nothing dangerous about any of the beliefs intelligently discussed here unless you have a radically different idea of what the US should be. You take two disaffected loners like McVeigh and the guy who hid out in NC (forgot his name- Eric something or other) and paint 140 million odd people with that brush.
What have you? A bomb throwing Agent Provocatuer. Not to be taken seriously.
It is a bit upsetting to me that the left will just roll over for these statists and allow this takeover of our liberties without even a whimper. The indoctrination is complete, and the statists rule government, the media, the universties, and Hollywood. completely Is this truly what the left has wanted all these years? Is this the long awaited payback for McCarthyism? Are we now in the time of the Oligarchs, where personal liberties are deemed to be disruptive?
Janet Napolitano was ineffective as Arizona's governor and now she's proving to be clueless at DHS. Don't believe for a minute that she was the only person behind her 9-page bullcrap report on right-wing extremists. She's not that brave.
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Since 9/11, I've made the point of flying the flag in front of my house and wearing a flag pin in my lapel because, since the intent of the highjackers was to kill Americans, I wanted to stand up and be counted.
When the DHS list came out yesterday declaring people like me "right wing extremists" for being pro-life, pro-second amendment and pro-small government, I added a teabag to my lapel and went to the nearest teaparty with about 700 other "extremists".
Glad I did; I'll keep wearing the teabag.
"Janet Napolitano has declared that a lot of Americans who are only exercising their constitutional rights are a danger to the country."
Janet is right. They're called Obama Democrats.
Hey all..guess what I did today. I went to a Tea party held here in Arkansas and exercised my 1st Amendment rights.
Little did they know that I was also exercising my 2nd Amendment rights as well. Conceal carrying my Springfield XD 45……..
LOL…my wife said to make sure I took my cell phone to call her from the jail…….
I am about as straight arrow as they come (MORMON) and now I am a terrorist…..wow..my cool factor just went way up.!!!!!
One man's terrorist is another man's patriot !!!!!
Oh, you mean religious like a fundamental islamist. Just checkin'. As far as bombing things, relate to this board how that differs from SDS activity for, oh…..I don't know, …… more than a decade? Make your point is less that three paragraphs and you may not include any standard talking points. Use reason and research only. When this government uses legislative and judicial activism to oppress targeted groups of American citizens, that's AMERICAN citizens not foreign citizens, that they are sworn to protect, as I was a long ime ago, it is no longer a government that represents me. The Constitution provides for it's overthrow. Go Texas!!
Yes, the people who cite Thomas Jefferson and other Founding Fathers are not democratic or patriotic but when Ward Churchill calls the 9/11 victims "little Eichmanns" and that other professor says he hopes America faces "a million Mogadishus," that is. Maybe you should peruse a dictionary before you pontificate on the meaning of patriotism (those words will also be in there). Oh, and we're all still waiting for word on the pie.
As we all know,politicians in the past only had to worry about delivering pork to their districts/states, but the national spotlights are brighter now and they don't know how to deal with the attention. All of them are exposed to the observant by the internet and they tend to run in circles now. Liberals and Conservatives alike. Now they have to answer to the nation and they don't like it. Citizens must vote then out when they can no longer live with the stink of their corruption. Some of them will never be voted out, so we'll have to root them out and send them home..
Let me see, have I killed and hurt thousands of innocent people by hijacking planes, flying them into buildings or crashing them into the ground? No.
Have I bombed a US embassy? No.
Did I bomb the WTC the first time? No.
Did I bomb the USS Cole and kill or hurt US military personnel? No.
Yet because I am a Christian conservative patriot who doesn't want to live under socialism and attended a Tea Party rally this evening, I am being considered a terrorist by my own government? What next, my photo being tacked up on the post office wall under the Most Wanted??????
What do the Obama proletariats do, lie in bed all night dreaming this crap up?? I can't even imagine what we are going to hear next. Before I just shook my head in disbelief. Disbelief has now made way for genuine concern.
The Truth:
Based on what's going on in Washington, we may be getting close. Very close…
I don't see any pie, no.
"…We must see to it that every workers’ organisation, after making itself thoroughly familiar with the subject, declares whether it approves or disapproves of any particular decision. If we have really and seriously decided to introduce democratic centralism in our Party, and if we have resolved to draw the masses of the workers into intelligent decision of Party questions, we must have these questions discussed in the press, at meetings, in circles and at group meetings.
But in the united Party this ideological struggle must not split the organisations, must not hinder the unity of action of the proletariat. This is a new principle as yet in our Party life, and considerable effort will be needed to implement it properly.
Freedom of discussion, unity of action—this is what we must strive to achieve."
From "Report on the Unity Congress of the R.S.D.L.P. — A Letter to the St. Petersburg Workers" by Vladimir Lenin.
This DHS report has shades of that. Not saying Obama is Lenin, but this just sounded too familiar.
That's "democratic centralism" for you.
To clarify, once the Party takes a vote, all members are expected to uphold the decision.
Sorry if my quote didn't make this clear…
It is sort of confusing, the key point though is calling Islamic practitioners of man man made disasters "terrorists" is bad, racist and wrong; but calling American conservatives "terrorists" is good, proper and defensible since we foolishly refuse to believe the Constitution is a "living document." Or something along those lines.
If we were to count all the Former Military folks that served the Country and Kept all Americans Safe .. And were we to listen to Morons like Napolitano and the rest of the " scared" Oblahblah Commies why there would be over 42 Million Right wing Military possible gurerrillas ready to pin tails to their ASSES and make them walk the PLank…
I did a little research on the web, and not a single presidential assassin was right-wing. Even when you count ATTEMPTED assassins, they were all either left-wing or clearly insane. Even the one instance where a would-be assassin listened to a conservative talk show (that guy who shot at the White House during the Clinton era)…oh yeah, he also thought he was SAVING THE PLANET FROM THE MIST ALIENS. Don't really ever recall conservative talk show hosts railing against the aliens that hide in the mist.
Well, I am sure that this piece of TRUTH shall be Totally Ignored by the Knucleheads of Msnbc.. Cnn.. and of course the Dying Times , Globe, and the Whores of the 3 Networks…. They are in the TANK and are unable to get out of it without making wild and unfounded negative accusations in order to try to Spew Smoke to cover up the reality of the Tea Parties and the Insanity of the Oblahblah Cabinet.. ( or TOILET)
Perhaps the TIME for The American Constiturtional Party is at hand…TIME to rid Washington with Inept Professional politicians .. Term Limits and Strong States to manage the People's Business with full accountbaility and reduce the size of Governmant in DC by 2/3 rds!!!
Well said!
Homeland Security would probably arrest Jefferson in the Obamanation. The arrogance of these ba$tards is gonna come back and bite’em.
Thrity years of making a living in comedy, forty + TV shows and a few acting roles when they ran out of real actors….and your career in show business, Bill?
When you refer to the "Financial terrorist" do you include Barney Frank and Jamie Gorlick and other democrats who raped Fannie and freddie for humdreds of millions or just the folks at AIG?
As I have written many time I believe in no bailouts for anyone, peroid. The government ( Reps and Dems) allowed the conditions for this problen by allowing Insurance companies to become hedge funds while accepting their campaign donations.
I will remind you that it is "childish and unrealistic" in a few years when your party is out and you are unhappy with the direction the next Ronald Reagan takes our country.
What about cake?
Darth Antifascist, you must remember to lock your cabin doors before acting out your fantasies with your Icky Evil Conservative Doodoo Head doll, er, action figure collection.
Really, I haven't seen such scintillating descriptions of people one disagrees with since that one time I stumbled upon an episode of Captain Planet. ("Burn! Pollute!" etc., etc…)
Oh you mean like that well known right wing extremist, Bill Ayers?
I do love an eloquent discourse of ideas. You sir, are a master wordsmith. "Shut up … you retards" Simply brilliant.
dumb blonde: you are not so dumb!
eloquently stated!
If you are sick of us, go away. It's as simple as that. And that sexual referrence: do you kiss your mother with those lips of yours? Please frequent huffpo or the dailykos and leave us to ourselves. I keep telling you guys to do this and you just don't listen. When you do go, be well, be blessed, seek Jesus. He's coming soon. Hell is no place to spend an eternity.
Mostly, I just look like a dumb blonde
I'm a life long Republican voter and tax payer. I'm a gun owner, a Christian and I believe in limited government and lower taxes. I think unborn children have constitutional rights that need to be protected. I am a Army veteran, the son of a WWII Army veteran and father of a Iraq veteran. But I understand that I have now become a enemy of the state. Where do I go to register?
I don't think I'm bothered by the fact that I'm potentially on a watch list. I think of it as an honor in a strange way. My husband and I both, at one time or another, took an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC. We are conservative Christians who go to church on Sunday, read our Bibles, treat others with the love, dignity, and respect each deserves because we walk the same planet together, and we stand up for life. We believe in self-determination and personal responsibility. We adhere to the Puritan work ethic (I was told by one of my directors that I was the hardest working actress he'd ever seen) and seek to be excellent in all we do. So if they are watching us, I hope we can provide a reasonable example. Not perfect mind you, just reasonable.
Anyone else out there see the irony of a liberal, left-wing, hippie icon being sentenced for playing fast and loose with firearms? Do you think Phil Spector's liberal, hippie, let-there-be-love friends in Hollywood see the truth as to who is more dangerous with a gun. Guns don't kill people, broken down, aging, under-the-influence, misogynistic hippies kill people.
He's probably the teleprompter's "cordboy."
Here's a video explaining the "shut up" philosophy:
http://www.pjtv.com/video/PJTV_Daily/Klavan_on_th...
"So I do not have a gun. Yet!"
Me neither. But, I seem to get closer and closer everyday.
Silly Jeff. Trolls don't have jobs. It's one of the requirements!
I call right flank!
Just get me an axis of fire, Jack.
You know what a 12ga. is? Its the poor man's CBU.
Read my quotes from Jefferson above.
Or stay ignorant. No problem for me either way. But remember, the storm is coming, and its well on its way…
Don't forget that lovely Romanian couple, the Chauchescus. What a warm and gracious pair!
Where did he advocate violent use of force? You are a plant and a liar. Prove you are not.
“Let us not spill blood amongst ourselves, instead let us drain the blood from this two headed republicrat freedom tick.”~ Me
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Time to dump each and every last politician in office starting at the bottom and working up to those who appointed Napolitano.
Lets have a "Clean Slate" of new responsible politicians. Vote every last politician in office out!
Do not vote for anyone who has ever held office.
Lets get a better class of thief in offices.
I'm an old woman and a grandma, I knew exactly when obabma started his run for pres. (Speech 2004 .)
He immeadiately went to the most vulnerable of this society, OUR CHILDREN, in schools and colleges.
KIDS, always ready for a good time, always looking for a cause to carry signs. Next ?
The separation of our babies from us, putting them in school at age 3 yrs. Next ? Giving illegal aliens ammnesty
another illerate, uninformed group, all ready to be inspired, all ready in place to be supported by our welfare
system. Next? More cops on the streets, a gun on every corner, and on and on. MY advice ?
Save money, learn basic camping skills, Put in a food garden, go on welfare, enjoy your family and
never give up your guns. There is no difference between parties. They are all on the same page, an elitist new world order. Ibelieve that time is up for our elected officials, and all thats happened in the last 6 months,
is a dying gasp for air, Do not resuscitate.. as ever mothers worry
DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC – you were shouting that not too long ago. EEXCUUUUUUUUSE us for following through.
And those are some pretty fascists remarks you just made.
Excellent point. Why should any group or individual exercising their free speech be put on a list of 'potential threats'.
I'm living in the socialistic UK right now and the government here says I can't own a gun. Yet the criminals seem to still be able to get the guns. So whenever a thief breaks into my home and tries to hurt me or my family I have no way of defending myself. It truly makes me sick.
We need T-shirts!
To begin with… Oblahblah who claims to have been Unaware of the Number and Scope of TEA Parties..Makes it a CRETIN… Napolitano who is so incredibly Moronic to have lived in Arizona with Incresed Kidnappings.. Illegal Crossings and is appointed to Defend our Borders while Indicting Veterans MUST BE REMOVED at once.. then we need to Hose down the Congressional Pigs and WH with TERM LIMITS HOSES and Indictments for Inept Performances…
Krugman is a PURE Libtard WHORE… taking a page from the NBC Shlary " Right wing Conspiracy" tirade which was proven to be another Smoke and Mirrior attempt by the KOOL Aid Drinkers to mask the eventual FACT.. Yes the fact that Bubba Lied and so are the OBLAHBLAHMANIACS!!!
let's Inventory the Libatard's Killing Klan… Ayers.. is on top of the Subversives who actually killed NYC Cops.. attempted killimg of Presidential Candidates and The List is too long to enumerate… BUT The MSM nad Crania Voids of Msnbc.. CNN.. etc choose to ignore!!!
Actually, I am trying to overcome the effects of a public-school education.
Luckily, my grandfather took the reins from them and insured of all the abilities I do have, the ability to read and think, to be curious and question, were carved deepest of all.
I could teach Evelyn Wood a thing or two; Tom Clancy is a middleweight lift for me. And I could burn through "Harry Potter" books without breaking a sweat.
Someone here, I don't remember who on the offhand, ran a set of Jeffersonian quotes on another issue, and away went my brain to the internet and its magic. And like most things, I found a fellow who has already confronted these very issues, puzzled them out, and wrote them down for his posterity to forget utterly. Here's the guy who wrote the documents, helped balance the government branches out so they spent all their time fighting each other, not bullying the citizens, and all I got in school was he shafted Napoleon over the Louisiana Purchase and a vague reference about punic measures directed against some pirates somewhere.
Speaking of Subversives.. AYERS comes to mind and as far as I can recall he is a Libtard Obamomaniac.. so for all of these Morons who try to belittle the tea Parties I have one small piece of medical advice;
Take an Enema to clear your Constipated Brains!!!!!
After hearing Speaker Pelosi's and Ms. Napalitano's comments, my level of concern about the direction of this administration is growing.
After hearing them bash W for 8+ years now it is laughable to hear them declare anyone who who speaks out against their policies as a Right Wing Extremist.
Good for you! I was lucky in that I finished high school as the last generation that wasn't either controlled or heavily-influenced by the left. When I got to Berkeley, I got a great classical education, but a lot of left-wing indoctrination as well. It helped that the left-wing bent came as a big contrast to what I had learned earlier, so I was able to see it as a contrasting viewpoint rather than an expansion on what I had already learned. And even at Berkeley, the core curriculum in the College of Letters and Science still included Western Civilization as a requirement for graduation. Surprisingly, at least a third of the faculty was conservative, and nobody of any political persuasion forced it on the students. And in both high school and at the university, Jefferson was treated as a demigod, and The Declaration of Independence as holy writ. Some change, huh?
Not to short Circuit the Poorly connected Memory Banks BUT Wasn't Ayers who BOMBED a NYC police Station with resulting Death of Law enforcement Officers??? So Ayers dib NOT only advocate the Violent use of Force… He planted BOMBS and Detonated them You Silly Putt !!! So if ayers Talks like aduck… Walks like aDUck.. acts like aFascist Duck.. By Golly he is a FREAKING QUACKING FASCIST DUCK!!!
How long will the Libtard Idiots take to realize that the Tea parties were Organized and attended by Americans of all Political Creeds who are finally getting the Message that BOTH Parties have become ONe Crappy Inept Bunch of Mismanagement Practices of the Country's wealth… Not just Conservatives, Republicans, But also attended by Real Democrats, Libertarians and Independents.. May be this shall give rise to a REAL Constitutional Party and Sweep Congress of all the PIGS that are Not Doimng what We the People Elected them to do… TERM Limits .. No Lobbyists BUYING Elected Officials…and NO Pork or BIG Governmant….
Dissent is ONLY Patriotic when Wesael Reid says "the war is lost"… Shillery says " Right wing Conspiracy" and "i ducked Bullets in Bosnia".. Pelosi says… HUH What noooo But Bush Sux…Idiots like Kerry actually stand up and Fart.. To Libtards that and Oblahblah Breaking every campaign promise made are not to be Riduculed or Talked about .. WHY only the Libtards are allowed to disagree don't you see.. Them Narcistic idiots be the only Lucid Floating Turds in the Soros Cesspool that Matter…Just ask them…
Well I see that the Ny Slime and Wash Compost who once again prove to be totally out of touch with NEWS worthy of publication are Dropping more Workers… and Then we have the Cable INEPTS taking a dose of TEA injected in their BOWELS by FOX NEWS…
FOX RATINGS SURGE ON PROTEST COVERAGE
8-11 PM ET
FOXNEWS 3,390,000
MSNBC 1,210,000
CNN 1,070,000
CNN HEADLINE 909,000
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,980,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,239,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,947,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,740,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,401,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,185,000
COMEDY DAILY SHOW 1,777,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,499,000
COMEDY COLBERT 1,446,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,336,000
CNN KING 1,292,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,149,000 ( Mad COW)
CNN COOPER .. DUUUHH 75 may be
I am A Christian…. no o no a real CHRIST ian. A US Vietnam Vet; USAF Security Policeman, K9 and former QRT Commander. I know abortion is murder. I own guns. I will protect this Country from " …all enemies, both foreign and domestic…" as I vowed to do. You all act so surprised, but after Janet Reno and Slick Willy Clinton murdered so many, so arrogantly in Waco…. Cmon. Oprah and Soros got their man. A socialist muslim. Get Some!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS The only reason they desire to disarm America is to establish a dictatorship, as did Hitler, Stalin, Castro …. etc…. People with no 2nd Amendment have already forsaken all others.
If anyone has amodicum of real History left in their Two remaining live leftard brain cells .. one might recall the signs of History being repeated.. IE:
Following the Alinsky Doctrine of Demonize anyone who disagree with your policies ( Ie unleash the Dog pound Clintonistas .. Carville.. Begala.. Msnbc.. Cnn and the Rhambo to Demonize the Tea Parties )
Pretend that the PEOPLE do not Count ( Putz Pelosi Insane response)
Organize the Storm Troopers ( Acorn and the Youth Neighborhood Organizers .. Shades of the Brown and Black shirts of Adolph and Benito)… and Capitalize on a Down Economy as part of the plan to eliminate Individual Freedoms and sell the idea of COMMUNE LIVING supported by The Messianic State…. THIS IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL Governmant anymore… Unless we get off the couch and FIGHT BACK…Peacefully , of course, but Srongly neverthe less starting with the 2010 Elections and making BIG Orwellian governmant a ONE Term Experiment …..Lock and Load JUST in Case Though…. We must Stand FIRM on our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!!!!
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