Backdoor-ing the Second Amendment
by Jeffrey JenaIf I could wave a magic wand and change anything about the good old U.S. of A. tomorrow I wouldn’t fix the economy or get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I wouldn’t wish away the Obama budget or Nancy Pelosi. I wouldn’t even mystically make our borders secure or stop the assault on the sanctity of human life. The one thing I would change is to give everyone in the country a massive dose of critical thinking skills. I would make it the number one priority of things to be taught in schools. I believe if I could fix this problem all the others would fix themselves.
Let me give you an example. On Sunday I was watching Fox News and one of the newsreaders was doing a piece on the drug war on our southern border. Part of this story was a short interview with the liberal New York Congresswoman Nita Lowey. Ms. Lowey hates the fact that you have the right to own a gun. Of course, she never came out and said that. Instead Ms. Lowey was faithfully reciting the administration talking points about the Mexican border drug war which includes the idea that the problem on our southern border is largely due to the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Here is how the logic goes: Drug cartels are coming into the United States and buying “assault“ weapons. If we would outlaw the legal sale of these guns to American citizens the problem would disappear! You see, the Democrat logic goes, the reason there’s drug violence on the Mexican border isn’t corruption in Mexico, lack of enforcement of our existing gun laws, or an ability to control our nation’s boundaries. The reason is that you and I have the right to own a weapon that could be used to protect our home and family in a time of national crisis.
Let’s take a minute here and test your critical thinking skills. Ready? Here are some of Ms. Lowey’s statements. I may be paraphrasing them a bit as I was trying to write them down while continuing to watch the interview without the help of my DVR, but I believe I’ve captured them fairly accurately.
Ms. Lowey said that, “Mexican Drug Cartels are operating in 239 cities in the United States.” The idea behind that talking point is to shock and horrify you with the vision of drug lords invading the country so that you’ll be willing to give up your right to own a gun! Stop reading for a minute and think about that statement and make a list of all the things that you might question if you have functional critical thinking skills.
Here are a few of my critical thinking questions. How did these violent drug criminals get into the country? Are they here illegally? Does that make them illegal immigrants? Would their children be eligible for in-state college tuition under the Dream Act if they stay here long enough? If a policeman or border patrol agent shot one of these illegal immigrant, assault weapon owning drug dealers in the backside who would end up in prison?
239 is a very exact number which makes me think that some very exacting police and DEA work has been done to arrive at this number. What are the 239 cities? Wouldn’t these drug cartel guys sort of stand out in Provo, Utah (207th largest city in the US) or in Olathe, Kansas, (206th largest city in the US). Are they only operating in those cities? Do we know who any of these people are? If we know they are here and we know who they are, why don’t we arrest them? Are they working only with other illegal immigrants or are there American citizens involved. Why aren’t they under arrest? I could go on, but I think you get the idea. There have been a number of our laws broken already but if we could just ban these assault weapons all these other laws could somehow be enforced.
Ms. Lowey further stated that these drug kingpins. “…come here and buy weapons to take back across the border. There are 200 gun dealers near the border making a fortune.”
Do the drug dealers come in and fill out lawfully mandated paperwork? How do they get the guns back across the border? Would enforcement of our existing border laws make this harder? Are they using fake IDs? Who are the dealers they are buying the weapons from? If we know these 200 gun dealers are selling weapons illegally to drug dealers, why don’t the police arrest them? Why doesn’t the Obama Administration pull their dealer licenses and impound their inventory while we investigate who they are selling guns to? Don’t gun dealers have to keep records about who they sell to? Are all of these laws being followed?
The philosophy of this administration is grounded in that old Saul Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” philosophy to not let a crisis go wasted. Why let a little drug war go to waste when there’s a chance to limit Second Amendment rights?
Here’s my advice to Ms. Lowey and her gun hating friends, do a little more police work and get a clue! If you want to repeal the Second Amendment have the courage of your convictions and say so. Stop using our nation’s problems to foist your liberal agenda on your fellow citizens. Yes, you won the election but during that election your guy assured us that he wasn’t interested in banning guns Now that he is our President, I expect him to keep his word.
I am putting this challenge up to all my gun hating liberal friends. If you hate guns put a big sign in your yard that reads, “I hate guns and we don’t keep any in this house.” Make it easy for the gun owners and the criminals! Any takers?
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Very nice and of course you are completely right.
Sadly, your piece won't be read or understood by the liberal left gun-grabbing clowns in our government. The way I see it, a liberal is made when they lose these thinking skills. Anyone with any critical thinking ability would see that their positions on issues is devoid of logic or common sense (but I bet it FEELS good!).
"From my cold, dead hands…"
or in Olathe, Kansas
As a former Olathe resident, I assure you…a Mexican drug cartel probably wouldn't stick out there at all.
Drifter, don't tell me that! My baby, ( o.k., she's grown), moved to Olathe in November, and she keeps telling me how safe it is there. I know that living outside of Atlanta, that on the news they said the county next to ours, which the county line is less than a mile away, was a major gateway passage for the Mexican drug cartels. That was oh so great news! We live in a pretty safe place, but for how long? They'll be no anti-gun signs outside of my home. I plan on using one, if necessary.
What gets me about this issue is that the Libs always like to say Conservatives "cling" to guns out of fear. But I think the opposite is true. I think the Libs are basically scared of guns and they have this irrational idea that by banning them, guns will magically be gone and they can go their merry way dancing through the jelly-bean field. What they truly don't understand, thanks to their lack of critical thinking skills, is that criminals won't turn in their guns and they will not have any difficulty continuing to purchase them through the black market. What's really weird is that they understand this logic when it applies to drugs, and they often cite the same argument when trying to get pot legalized. But guns are icky and violent and pot is wonderful and…whatever else they say. Ironic when you consider that how much of the gun violence they so hate is driven by the drugs they so love. Excuse me while I keep the guns I purchased to protect my family from the drug fueled violence the hippy culture helped create.
What gets me about this issue is that the Libs always like to say Conservatives "cling" to guns out of fear. But I think the opposite is true. I think the Libs are basically scared of guns and they have this irrational idea that by banning them, guns will magically be gone and they can go their merry way dancing through the jelly-bean field. What they truly don't understand, thanks to their lack of critical thinking skills, is that criminals won't turn in their guns and they will not have any difficulty continuing to purchase them through the black market. What's really weird is that they understand this logic when it applies to drugs, and they often cite the same argument when trying to get pot legalized. But guns are icky and violent and pot is wonderful and…whatever else they say. Ironic when you consider that how much of the gun violence they so hate is driven by the drugs they so love. Excuse me while I keep the guns I purchased to protect my family from the drug fueled violence the hippy culture helped create.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511340,00.htm...
It seems police can’t even protect a 5 year old as she is decapitated in front of them. Another argument for not relying on the police for anything more than documenting and picking up the pieces after a crime.
Relax, it's a nice enough place, really.
I was referring to the demographics, not the crime rate; Olathe had an extremely prominent Hispanic community. But social divisions are marginal since it's basically a working-class town all around, so there's not a lot of tension.
I expect if they try to ban gun ownership or sales that Texas will excercise it's right to secede. Last week Gov. Perry asked the Federal Gov'ment to send the National Guard troops to help patrol the border. I believe that Obama regretfully declined at this time. However, he is sending a troop of unarmed bureaucrats. That will be so helpful…I expect that secession just got one notch closer…
When seconds count, 911 is only minutes away. (or in my case, here in a rural area ten or fifteen minutes or thirty.)
Guns are illegal, absolutely forbidden in Chicago, so naturally there is never any firearm crime in Chicago. In the rare case when someone is hurt when a stray gun accidently discharges itself, the idiot mayor demands more gun laws. The guns are just typical democrat strawmen to enact more rules. The craziness is that the non-problem people follow the new rules and others continue to refuse compliance. What's the answer? Obviously, more rules.
The regulatory dialectic
Dear Mexico:
I'd be happy to trade the illegal aliens that got into my country for the illegal assault weapons that got into yours. See you at the border.
You are correct. A dose a critical thinking would help all of us. To often we (more so liberals) think with emotions.
Amen. Why is protecting our border so hard for the politicians in DC to understand? I believe in firing a warning shot to deter criminals. Seeing one of their own rotting on my front lawn is definately a deterrent.
Jeffery, excellent article. For all the posturing by the liberal intelligensia of the value of a quality education, critical thinking only matters if it toes the strict liberal agenda. A completely free discourse of ideas with actual disciplined thought would destroy it and they know it.
Liberals bank on the fact that the average American voter is stupid. Based on last November they may be right.
Seriously, it is illegal all over the board for Mexicans to come across the border, obtain guns, and take them back. How does passing more laws stop that? Also, the administration has been repeatedly quoted as saying that these cartels are armed with "machine guns and hand grenades". ATTENTION TO THE CLUELESS, those things are already banned in our country!! Apparently bans do not work so why continue banning?
Geez these people tick me off.
http://lonewolfarcher.blogspot.com
the argument of "if you ban guns only the criminals will have guns" is so completely foreign to the libs. They just can't understand it. Fact and logic mean nothing in the liberal discourse. Unless, of course, it was discussed in a dorm room evening dope-a-thon. Not that there's anything wrong with that……..*wistful grin*
A lot of good points made, but the underlying question is: Why didn't the Republicans do something about illegal immigration when they were ruling the White House for 8 years, 6 of which they had a majority in Congress?
I have three thoughts here.
One major frustration is this goofy libtard notion that America's gun dealers are a corrupt lot that would willingly sell to any criminal, thug or gangster that walks in and flashes a wad of cash (and at the same time they're so racist they won't sell to law abiding black people … but that's another issue).
You have to realize that gun dealers in the US are regulated by the most brutal, thuggish and mafia-like government agency in the entire alphabet soup of agencies; the ATF. ATF agents have been caught lying on the stand and manufacturing evidence in order to ruin the lives of gun dealers that just didn't bow and scrape properly. They like to raid gun shop owners homes in the middle of the night with flash bangs and MP5 submachineguns, and have often murdered family pets in the process (one female ATF agent stomped a kitten to death in front of children because their father wasn't complying fast enough for her liking). The wrath of "F-Troop" can be brought down on the heads of gun shop owners for simple, minor paperwork mistakes … like losing a single page or not catching it when a buyer abbreviates the name of the state they live in on the form 4473. So there's just NO STINKING WAY that you're average gun shop owner is going to risk his livelihood, freedom and possibly his life in selling guns to criminals. PERIOD.
Second thing that annoys me here is that are we really supposed to believe that Mexican drug cartels will send some lackey up to the US to purchase an AR-15 (the semi-automatic civilian version of the M16) for around $1000 instead of buying 3 FULL AUTOMATIC M16s (or for that matter 5 FULL AUTOMATIC AK47s) on the black market? Or worse are we to believe that Mexican Drug Lords will send some lackey up to the US to purchase a registered and transferable M16 from a collector for $20,000 (waiting 6 months or so for the ATF paperwork to go through) instead of a truckload of AKs with "da switch"?
Finally, if things are SO dire in Mexico, it would be unconscionably irresponsible to start disarming law abiding Americans (especially those in border states) and especially taking from them semi-automatic assault style weapons.
And why didn't they roll back much of the stupid gun control we've been saddled with as well. They certainly had the votes.
Eurayle: Because the Republicans were trying to look like Democrats. They think that makes everybody love them.
But like drinking a glass of lukewarm water, all it does is make you puke!
Doesn't even matter if they were capable of protecting that 5 year old, the police still have no duty to do so.
Google Gonzales v. City of Castle Rock
Only YOU have the duty to protect yourself, not the police. They are merely a reactionary force who's job it is to investigate crimes AFTER THEY HAPPEN, and apprehend suspects AFTER THEY COMMIT CRIMES.
Amen! They can pry my guns from my cold dead hands as well! I saw a sticker in a truck window the other day that I though was good and fits this point: "Criminals prefer unarmed victims." True words. You would think this common sense to these buffoons, but I guess they have lost the skills to recognize common sense.
I agree with your column. The tactics being used are deceptive and are just another attempt to shift the blame for all the world's ills to America and its people.
In Olathe, not as much as right up the road in Kansas City, KS. Try around the Southwest BLVD, I-35 area.
Doesn't anyone realize that the Russians are building an AK-47 factory in Venezuela?Will he sell to the drug cartels? Is Mexico's control of their southern border better than the northern?And, making our gun laws tougher will help that situation,how?
Especially given an entire Washington Post article about Hezbollah using narco-cartel routes over the border to conduct business in the US. It makes absolutely no sense at all to secure our borders. Why should we?
Logic should be a required course in junior high school.
We really cannot afford to let our government disarm us now. Between the way they're grabbing power hand over fist and they way Mexico seems to be coming apart, we're going to be caught in the middle of an ugly situation without anything to protect ourselves with. We better cling to our guns!
what about the reports that the Mexican gov will not release the serial numbers of the guns they have "captured" to us/US cause they'd be then connected to guns the US gave/sold them to help in the cartel mess – basically sold by the Mexicans? Has anyone heard this – was pretty certain (but please correct) that the NRA President said something like this on the Glen Beck show on Fox and on Lou Dobbs on CNN, but no one else is talking about this! To me, this is pretty amazing! Half truths told if this is true!
Legalization is the answer. Let citizens keep their guns, buy their dope legally. Instead we're paying for an inept, immoral war on drugs, protracted by an increasingly expensive and outmatched law enforcement industry. It has embroiled the US even more in Mexico's troubles, and led to a trampling of civil liberties at home.
Bush wanted amnesty. He is the American Malinche. It was the American people who caused the "leaders" to at least turn back amnesty, if not actually actively enforce current law. Pandering is the lifeblood of politicians, and the accusation of racism is their kryptonite, which makes for a deadly combination when a legal issue like immigration is hijacked by race-hustling groups who've successfully linked one ethnicity to a larger, non-ethnic concern.
Wouldn’t these drug cartel guys sort of stand out in Provo, Utah (207th largest city in the US) or in Olathe, Kansas, (206th largest city in the US).
Considering the subject matter, the Olathe, Kansas reference made me blink my eyes and look again. I just purchased a Smith and Wesson .357 from an Olathe, Kansas gun dealer on Auction Arms. Just got off of the phone with him minutes ago. As thorough and professional as this man has been in this transaction, I doubt that he's selling to transient drug cartels.
Another well presented piece, Mr. Jena.
ANYONE with ANY sense KNOWS that the vast majority of these weapons are of foreign (read that, mainly COMMUNIST) manufacture. Our enemies (China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, terrorists, etc.) would LOVE to de-stabilize our Southern border, and if they can prompt our left-wing government to further restrict our rights and our way of life, then that would be an added benefit. Yes, there MAY be SOME guns going across the border (I recently saw a report on Fox which showed a big confiscation of goodies bound to, or already owned by, the Mex cartels, and it included two ORNATE SKEET/TRAP/HUNTING OVER/UNDER SHOTGUNS – NOT so-called "assault weapons"). These cartel kingpins are making MILLIONS, so they want to spend some of that on goodies like fine shotguns – so what? I would bet that MOST of the U.S,-made equipment and weapons are being STOLEN from the inept Mexican military, or sold by corrupt Mexican military and/or political types. (cont.)…
I loved the reaction to the shotgun by the gay biker gang leader in the original "Mad Max',that is an analogy of lberal hysteria perfected,I don't remember the actor's name,but he nailed it.
BTW,mine's a .357 Magnum,copper jacketed hollow points,all hand reloaded.
There, I fixed that for you.
I just bought a new .45 yesterday myself, and I agree with you, every time I've bought a weapon in any of the states where I've lived everything was done very professionally. Even though the sales clerk knew me, since I'm a repeat customer, she made sure every i was dotted and every t was crossed. I can't imagine anyone being able to illegally buy a weapon in that store, let alone arming Mexican gangs off their shelves, and this is one of the larger ones in PA, with a heavy volume.
The downside is ammunition, I should have bought more at the shop, but figured I could get more on the cheap at Wal-Mart, since I was just looking to buy more FMJ to break it and all, but nope no .45 left there on the shelves, no pistol ammunition at all actually except for a couple lonely boxes of .357 Sig.
I just bought a new .45 yesterday myself, and I agree with you, every time I've bought a weapon in any of the states where I've lived everything was done very professionally. Even though the sales clerk knew me, since I'm a repeat customer, she made sure every i was dotted and every t was crossed. I can't imagine anyone being able to illegally buy a weapon in that store, let alone arming Mexican gangs off their shelves, and this is one of the larger ones in PA, with a heavy volume.
The downside is ammunition, I should have bought more at the shop, but figured I could get more on the cheap at Wal-Mart, since I was just looking to buy more FMJ to break it and all, but nope no .45 left there on the shelves, no pistol ammunition at all actually except for a couple lonely boxes of .357 Sig.
There was an article in the L.A. Times (known here affectionately as 'la Times') about 3 weeks ago reporting the capture of a boatload of Mexico-bound foreign guns apprehended off the coast of Southern California. Hillary's bloody-kneed mea culpa to Mexico disingenuously did not mention that, yes, foreign weapons are also flooding that country. Truth is rarely on parade in LiberalLand, and the Matter-of-FACT-horn is always down for refurbishment.
It wouldn't surprise me. If we did sell arms to Mexico, the place is so riddled with corruption that it stands to reason that some of it if not a good chunk would likely wind up in the wrong place. And of course, the media isn't going to report on anything that is going to weaken their narrative. If Bush were still president, things might be different.
We can make a trade. You can legalize the drug trade and nationalize it as soon as you convince DC to completely remove the government from healthcare at every level from every facet. I absolutely do not … do not … want to be in any way liable for the healthcare boondoggle created by legalized drugs. If our personal health was solely our own responsibility, then we can maybe revisit that legalized drug issue.
I will view any law passed by Nita Lowey and her Girly Government as a suggestion. Knee-jerk reactions by histrioinic, emotional people are never basis for sound law. I actually hope the libs go through with their gun grab. They can have mine, bullets first.
On the ammo subject, I'm kicking myself for buying a few extra Xmas presents last winter and not stocking more handgun ammo myself. Locally, finding .44 mag and .357 mag is almost impossible. 9mm can be had in 115 gr only.
I'm going to have to get out that old RCBS reloading outfit I was gifted years ago and start making my own!
Hopefully, we'll start seeing more ammo on the shelves soon.
They can't understand because thinking on their own makes their brains swell. They get their critical "thinking" from hook-on-phonics, the Leftist Edition. They hear that guns, and conservativism, are the driving force for all things evil; there for, all guns, and conservatives, should be banned.
Montana and Idaho, and Oklahoma would leave Obamanation, too.
Hopefully, I honestly don't think they were expecting the demand to go through the roof, although they should have, all the signs were there. Personally I'm kicking myself for not buying stock in Winchester.
Your knowledge of black market weapons would sure come in handy, and ever so slightly disturbing…
You are correct that the guns purchased by these cartels aren't coming from local dealers since they don't buy 1 or 2 at a time.
Please don't forget! The only way the Gun control argument can win, They have to LIE!
No matter where you may in counter them they can't tell the truth about the 2nd Amendment, Gun Owners and who uses guns.
Remember: They ALWAYS LIE!
I have a feeling that all of us may have to use our "assault weapons" before Obama is out of office. Screw the teabags, let's take some lead to Washington.
Gee I thought this story was about "back door Barney"
I would like to quote my friend Larry Elder , "a fact is like kryptonite to toe tag liberals"
That , Euyale, is why we need a Conservative President and Congress and not a Republican President and Congress. In an old blog I posted at a liberal site I used to write for I wrote a blog where I named Bush the Greatest Democrat President of the 20th century.
Ditto's to you Sir, the obvious canard here is that the cartels are going to go into a fire fights with semi auto's purchased in the U.S.A. even if they could get the numbers of weapons they wanted. Full auto assault rifles are not sold over the counter here, so any body who says that it is the US citizens birthright to own fire arms is what is causing the problem is a liar. More so if they are in the government.
During the Cold War, the Soviets passed out truckloads of cheap (or free) AKs to any country, government or "revolutionary movement" (translation from the Marx: Gang of thugs that don't like the same people you don't, no matter how tangentially) that claimed to hate the US. I can see Chavez, Putin, etc. doing the same thing all over again.
The Lefties are girding up for another attack on assault rifles (which I don't have and never will) using the argument that "nobody needs an assault rifle" and the Founders didn't intend for we the people to have those kinds of weapons. Hooey! The Founders gave we the people the same weaponry as the government had — muskets and rifles at that time. The Second Amendment is in the Constitution to give the governed the right to protect themselves against the government period. The Lefties would leave the serfs essentially unarmed.
Indeed! One of the first things any Republican President should have done, especially coming in on the heels of Clinton, should have been to turn back the more ridiculous gun laws on the books and done a comprehensive review of a certain agency. Double especially since he had a Republican Congress and could have easily done it. And by turn back, I mean precisely that, not just letting some of the more egregious points of gun law expire on their own accord.
What is there to trade? I'm not in favor of socialized medicine, either. Bet there's more a healthcare and social welfare boondoggle associated with (legal) alcohol abuse, anyway. Legalize it. All of it. Prohibition and illegality only fuels more crime, and I'm sick and tired of paying for it.
Good news is that brass shortages are likely to end. http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx...
What liberals call "assault weapons" simply aren't. No matter how much they want to point at a civilian legal AR-15 or AK and rant and rave, it's simply not an assault rifle just because it looks like one. That fact alone would be enough to show how little they know about weapons, but when a pistol that holds more than 10 rounds of ammunition is subject to an "assault weapons ban" then it verges on the surreal.
You're also completely correct on the difference between civilian and military arms when the 2nd Amendment was written as well, there was no difference between the weapons of the force Washington took to put down the Whiskey Rebellion and those of the instigators of that revolt themselves.
The liberal mindset is founded in fear, real or imagined. A classic case of 'projection'. A liberal's fear that man is incompetent justifies whatever action they require no matter how destructive of individual freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They destroy that which would provide them the most protection. And that's the good news.
Legalization itself isn't a cure-all either, if that were the case then the mafia would have been out of business from when Prohibition was repealed until the large upswing of drug use starting in the '60s. Even then a lot of the more traditional mafia families would have nothing to do with drugs for years. Does that mean in the meantime that there was no mafia because their original product that caused their rise to power was legal after Prohibition ended? Not at all, they diversified into other areas of crime. That is what criminal enterprises do, and hey one point in their favor is they're better at market study, profit to loss ratios, and understanding supply and demand than the government seems to be currently.
The same would happen with the Mexican drug cartels if drugs were legalized, they'd just branch out into other fields of endeavor. Fields that they already have a sideline in now, but don't rely on as much as the drug trade because that's where the big money is at. So if you legalize drugs, then they'll massively expand their illegal immigrant trade, if you legalize all of the illegal immigrants, they'll expand their terrorist enabling programs, and so on and so forth. The problem with attacking "the root cause of the problem" alone is that even if you remove the root cause of one problem, if the criminals you're trying to deny power to have other options to take, you're just swapping one problem for another. Instead of going down a legalization route, the best way to combat the problem is to combat he criminals themselves, not trying to latch on to root causes or tangential issues to the problem thinking that will make everything better.
If Texas leaves the Union, then I'm moving to Texas!!!!!
Don't forget Missouri. We like our concealed carry.
I actually saw a sign on a house one time proudly proclaiming it was a "Gun Free Household" and all I could think was,"I'm sure if a gangbanger walks down this nice street he'll be happy to know where to go first."
The Sticker should read "Criminals AND the Government, prefer unarmed victims"
The thing you have to realize about criminal gang organizations is that they are highly organized and aren;t one-trick, or one-crime, ponies. They exist with very defined power structures and business (yes, business) models designed to both ruthlessly control and exploit the territories they take by force. Most of them run several different money-making crime operations although they key on one or two.
The big problem we are going to have is that if our government does go whole-sale socialsit/fascist/communist, they are going to open the door to an enormous potential black market for these cartels in many more areas than what they're running now. Things are going to get more dangerous rather than less. We'll need our means of self-portection.
Hey don't forget PA either, us folk in the western part actually even got special recognition for our diligence. Unfortunately we also have Philly, but hey I always did like Texas, great state.
And yes I have a CCW too, I'm very clingy when it comes to my guns.
The explosion of rightwing conspiracy theories is absolutely dizzying. You know if these things don't actually happen, your credibility is pretty much shot for a generation. Not that it isn't already.
You're all basically at the point in the scene where you get fed up and throw the gun itself at him aren't you?
Great topic guaranteed to hack somebody off. We will weigh in with this thought for gun control sorts: what if there is a major disaster in this country? A cyber attack that renders our communication system out for weeks, or a dirty device explodes or a supervolcano erupts? What will society do? who will protect the neighbors against gangs of roving armed thugs?
These are the key issues in any debate about firearms. Our neighborhood is better off because we are prepared…
so before you start thinking the 2nd amendment is a duck hunting clause think again.
Critical thinking is exactly the cure and the lack of it the real problem. I have this conversation often with my mother. Unfortunately she was raised in England and just can't understand the Second Amendment. My dad grew up hunting and owned a shotgun and a rifle which he bequeathed to my husband when he passed away 3 years ago. My dad never really liked the NRA because he felt they were a little too "radical" for him, but he would often talk about how the Second Amendment was important so that the citizens could protect themselves from a corrupt gov't.
My mom just doesn't get it. And I guess she never will. Although if the fit hits the shan in the coming years, she may find herself grateful that my husband has a safe full of guns to protect us.
And to really hit this home – I used to be a liberal (voted for Clinton twice) and I used to be against guns as well.
Then I grew up, started critically thinking and became a conservative.
I was born and raised here and can tell you it's a great place to grow up. 24% of the nation's gasoline is refined right here in Houston, we have our own cattle, our own State(read National) Constitution and are big believers in Drill Here/Drill Now!!! Plus we love clinging to our guns and religion. Also, if you shoot an intruder who breaks into your house they can't sue you!!!
So a cyber attack will evaporate all the law enforcement in this country? This is isn't your nightmare, it's your FANTASY.
Okay, stupid. The Cyber attack shuts down the computers that connect your local supermarket to the warehouse, Shuts of the pumps to the trucks that bring the food to your market. When people find this out, do you think the police with their guns will be there to protect you as you shop the limited selection?
They will be there with their guns to take what's left for their families!
Didn't you learn ANYTHING from New Orleans and Katrina?
no fantasy amigo. A cyber attack the way Red China would do it would shut down all communications- cellular and internet. Hard lines would hold the society together minimally.
Law enforcement would be marshalled to protect vital areas; they would quickly be overwhelmed by tens of thousands of armed gangs (MS-13 and the like) and YOUR neighborhood would be left to fend for itself. This would only take a week or so to happen; that's how fragile our society is. So, as Mr O'Reilly would say 'wise up, sir'…
Mr OFT is spot on here. Civilians like Mr Stupid really have no clue just how incredibly at risk we are as a people… it has nothing to do with 'right wing fantasy' or any such nonsense. We would gladly turn our swords into plowshares if we could. We understand that the police and other authorities just will not be there for us. Period.
You will be on your own. And those that are aware will survive, plain and simple. Those that live stacked on top of eachother in cities will be the first to be devoured…
When I was a lefty, lo these many years ago, I was a real fan of gun-control. In fact, when my vehicle plates for my new car showed up in the early seventies, my wife got to them first, and was afraid to give them to me. It was three letters followed by three numbers in those days in California. The letters were NRA, and she was afraid I'd have a stroke. I finally asked her one day if my plates had shown up yet. She reluctantly pulled them out. I looked at them, and after the shock wore off, I told her I'd just consider the letters to stand for National Recovery Administration.
I've been an NRA member for about twenty years now (rifle, not recovery). No arsenal, but I do occasionally cling to my .357 Colt Magnum while I'm praying. I used to hate the NRA slogan: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Of course, now I see both the wisdom and prophecy entailed in it. But I also saw a bumper sticker years ago that said Support the Right to Arm Bears, with a grizzly holding an M-16. Pretty funny, actually.
I've always been a fan of "Red China has Gun Control."
Jeffery, I was at the Senate Foreign Relations commitee meeting yesterday. Kerry is a buffoon in a $1000 suit. Big suprise, WE ARE THE CAUSE of Mexico's problems. If evil guns didn't magically disappear here and reappear in Mexico everything would be hunky dory. Solution? Try to usurp our Constitutional right to own guns. Nevermind that the weapon of choice for the drug cartels are fully automatic AK-47's which are not manufactured here. Nevermind that Red Venezuela has a huge manufacturing plant making guess what? AK-47 ammo! Mexico is rotten from the inside. The U.S. is the #1 consumer of their #1 and #2 exports, pot and cocaine. All these hearings are a waste of time. Business will continue as usual because business is GOOD! Disarming Americans will not solve a damn thing.
Actually a sticker I saw said "The government prefers unarmed peasants".
Watch for the headline "Queen For a Day". That'll be Barney.
Atlanta is a long time hub for the Mexican cartels. It's the gateway to the South. Ofcourse I live in El Paso, Texas literally ON THE BORDER of Mexico, at Juarez, Chihuahua. They had like 6000 murders last year. We had 18. 18 total murders, that's it. Some weelend nights in Juarez they'll have 10 or 12 murders. Things have been calming down lately though.
Ah, but criminals and criminal thinking people are a major constituency of the Democrat Party. Non-violent criminals litter Obammy's cabinet, tax fraud barely gives you any "street cred" in his posse.
I was at the Senate Hearing with Sen. Assclown, er Kerry and our local buffoon, Congressman Reyes. Reyes mocked Perry by saying he requested 1000 guardsmen then when asked what he would do with them, he said he didn't know. Ha ha. Of course the room full of Democrat sycophants chuckled with our idiot congressman. the entire hearing was a farse. Texas was not even remotely represented in that hearing room. I sat with a disgusted look for the hour I wasted in there. Because I'll most likely attend grad school here, I refrained from calling Kerry out for being a liberal Ken doll.
The stickers affixed to the back window of my car are "Old Glory" and the oval sticker that has the number "556" . Those in the know understands that one protects the other.
What was the murder rate in Chicagolast year? How 'bout the black v. black murder rate? Did they ALL push each other out of open windows?Knife each other? Die in jousting tournements?
You should see what those AK's do to regular cars and trucks. I live literally about three miles from the border. Those AK's chew up cars, trucks, people and anything that gets in their way.
What is "556" ? A caliber measurement? Like a mini ball?
Well stated Jeff, one would expect the thought process as described in your article to be common sense. Boo to Ms. Lowey. We need to send a copy of "Governing . . .for Dummy's" to the prez, et al, along with the Constitution!
Until you guys get rid of Murtha, you can't come with us…
There is a reason why our unofficial slogan is "Don't Mess With Texas". Our official one is "Friendship", but that goes out the window when gun control is involved.
It's not just our southern borders. We need to protect our northern borders too. I love the Canadian people, but the border is not protected very well.
It's not just our southern borders. We need to protect our northern borders too. I love the Canadian people, but the border is not protected very well.
Do we have to take Austin whenwe go? Can't we just ship Travis County to California first??? Pretty please? We can move the capital to … say … Junction.
Awww c'mon!
Besides he's Johnstown's mess, you'll have to talk to the people down there on that one. I'm way, way back in the middle of nowhere. We haven't had a Democrat congressman in my district since 1975, and chances of getting one again range from extremely slim to the proverbial snowball's.
First point::
I like to ask peaceniks against guns after a troubled high schooler shoots kills 15 what would have happend if
A) 6,000,000 Jews had been armed?
B) 30,000,000 Ukranians had been armed?
C) 30,000,000 Chinese had been armed (the 1958 famine, not the revolution)
E) 600,000 Irish had been armed (Cromwell)
F) 1,000,0000 Irish had been armed (potato famine)
G) 1,000,000 Cambodians had been armed (against Pol Pot)
I) 1.500,000 South Viet Namese had been armed (against the North after the US ran away)
AmI the only one who notices the lopsided difference between 15 and all the other numbers?
Second point:
Why does B. Hussein O. Jr. want to control ann the money (Marxism) and all the money (Marxism)?
5.56mm rifle round. Standard NATO cartridge, used in the M16 and others. Replaced the 7.62mm round.
But, but…the Second Amendment is only for hunting!
I-35 Does come straight from Dallas.
What I think is funny is that they're trying to legalize weed, and illegalize tobacco.
I've been telling people that for years.
I'm not talking about a 'cure all' for crime. There will never be one. Gangs, criminals, what have you will always seek ways to profit of force or fraud. That's what makes them criminals. I'd rater our increasingly militarized police go after them for real crimes instead of smuggling junk to people who should be allowed to get high in the first place.
I'm talking specifically about letting individuals choose to intoxicate themselves. This is a moral issue that most conservatives shrink from because it challenges their notion of probity. It's no different than the government arresting people for having handguns when no crime of force or fraud has been committed. An otherwise law-abiding person who shoots heroin on their private property is of no more a threat to society than an otherwise law-abiding person who keeps guns on their private property.
I never said or otherwise implied that drug smuggling was the only activity criminal gangs are involved with. See my other reply above. Government has no moral authority to prevent someone from getting intoxicated, just as it has no moral right to prevent someone from defending themselves. As with gun restrictions, so you actually feel safer with the nation's current drug laws?
The problem with conservative governance is that it tends to protect the rights of society over that of the individual, the result being less freedom for everyone. Law enforcement's first objective isn't to protect citizens; it's to protect society from its citizens. Beating the law and order war drum has put our country in the very 3rd World position of having an overly-militarized police, an under-armed, over-taxed citizenry, and repeated violations of civil (individual) rights.
Thank you. I respect guns and their owners I just have very little knowledge of them. I've shot a hand gun about 10 times and done some dove hunting and rabbit (or wabbit, Elmer Fudd style) here and there. Wene the insurbency begins I'll be a buck private in your brigade. Ignorant but eager to learn.
If you have hunted Doves then you have a lot of the skills needed to hit most moving targets. Learning the basics of an M-16 is easy for anyone that shoots hunting arms.
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Cool you'all, thanks. In fairness to the doves they weren't in much danger with me around. Some of them would actually fly like they were doing the backstroke and laugh at me. Some would try to land on the barrell of my borrowed gun. The only creatures less in danger of me are bass. Now, that being said, equip me with an M-16 and put some radical American killing Muslims in my sights and I would get really serious really fast. Thanks.
Not to be picky, but Zundfolge's knowledge on the subject is more akin to common sense to those with more than just a tertiary interest in weapons and the ongoing 2nd Amendment struggle. I had the same mindset about Mexican weapons even before I found the information on the internet to buttress my previously held thoughts. I do however, most certainly appreciate your respect for the overarching facts of the matter.
As long as a liberals are restricted from teaching the class.
I have always held that all gun control laws are inherently un-Constitutional. The intent behind the 2nd Amendment was that the citizenry was to be guaranteed the same state-of-the-art 'individual' weaponry that is available to the government. The musket at the time was state-of-the-art weaponry. The thermo-nuclear device argument is a red-herring due to the device's need for marshaled forces to maintain and deploy. We are presently out-gunned by the government and I for one, find that rather dis-concerting.
I guess this idiot Mr. Stupid has never heard of an EMP.
Soon after 9/11, I quickly realized that weapons are useless without an appropriate supply ammunition to address an extended period of time when it may not be available. I'm quite happy my distrust of government remained true and thus made the investment.
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