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	<title>Comments on: Mr. President, Is My Job Worth Saving?</title>
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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/03/06/mr-president-is-my-job-worth-saving/comment-page-2/#comment-282650</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter who else is talking about the grocery, although it was a prime subject on the dominant drive-time show in the region for a good while and gets followups when SEIU does something interesting. It was difficult for LA County residents not to have some opinion on the subject, except maybe some people I know who probably haven&#039;t set foot in a grocery store in decades and depend entirely on their spouses to keep food in the house. Monomaniacal but very good at their work. 
 
Bad laws don&#039;t get changed without their first being some resistance. That always comes at a price. I suspect the supermarket owners ran the scenarios and decided the penalties would be acceptable to limit loses during the strike. Laws are important but they need to evolve with the times lest they instead become tools for doing wrong rather providing deserved protection. For instance, some would like to blame the current economic problems on the repeal of Glass-Steagall but fail to understand that there was good reason for doing it and that the real failure was the responsible regulators who failed to propose effective new controls to suit the very different market that had arisen over the time since Glass-Steagall was first enacted. Some want to paint Phil Gramm as the bad guy but he is one of few serious economist to ever sit in congress and he knew far better what what he was doing than other other elected official making economic policy in recent history. It is a shame that he is severely non-telegenic and thus barred from ever reaching the Oval Office. 
 
I don&#039;t live in Pasadena, I just work there part of the time in a building very close to that new Whole Foods. I as frequently work from home in Castaic, although the real work is on-site at clients&#039; businesses or event locations. Although well out of the TMZ, the entertainment industry has a lot of blue collar personnel living here due to the number of nearby production facilities. (I believe this is what has sustained the branch of the First Entertainment Credit Union in the Magic Mountain back lot after the park stopped being part of Warner.)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#039;t matter who else is talking about the grocery, although it was a prime subject on the dominant drive-time show in the region for a good while and gets followups when SEIU does something interesting. It was difficult for LA County residents not to have some opinion on the subject, except maybe some people I know who probably haven&#039;t set foot in a grocery store in decades and depend entirely on their spouses to keep food in the house. Monomaniacal but very good at their work. </p>
<p>Bad laws don&#039;t get changed without their first being some resistance. That always comes at a price. I suspect the supermarket owners ran the scenarios and decided the penalties would be acceptable to limit loses during the strike. Laws are important but they need to evolve with the times lest they instead become tools for doing wrong rather providing deserved protection. For instance, some would like to blame the current economic problems on the repeal of Glass-Steagall but fail to understand that there was good reason for doing it and that the real failure was the responsible regulators who failed to propose effective new controls to suit the very different market that had arisen over the time since Glass-Steagall was first enacted. Some want to paint Phil Gramm as the bad guy but he is one of few serious economist to ever sit in congress and he knew far better what what he was doing than other other elected official making economic policy in recent history. It is a shame that he is severely non-telegenic and thus barred from ever reaching the Oval Office. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t live in Pasadena, I just work there part of the time in a building very close to that new Whole Foods. I as frequently work from home in Castaic, although the real work is on-site at clients&#039; businesses or event locations. Although well out of the TMZ, the entertainment industry has a lot of blue collar personnel living here due to the number of nearby production facilities. (I believe this is what has sustained the branch of the First Entertainment Credit Union in the Magic Mountain back lot after the park stopped being part of Warner.)</p>
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		<title>By: TrishP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrishP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Harry,  
 
Just make sure you have your resource supply steady...pull out of NAFTA and there goes all the gas, oil, etc. the US gets from Canada. The US is not totally innocent in its dealings with Canada and Mexico. Politicians need to learn to get some balls and ensure that they playing fair by not hurting one industry in supporting another one. Isolation is not the answer and can hurt the economy far more. </description>
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<p>Just make sure you have your resource supply steady&#8230;pull out of NAFTA and there goes all the gas, oil, etc. the US gets from Canada. The US is not totally innocent in its dealings with Canada and Mexico. Politicians need to learn to get some balls and ensure that they playing fair by not hurting one industry in supporting another one. Isolation is not the answer and can hurt the economy far more.</p>
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		<title>By: WR1</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there really that many people talking about the SoCal grocery strike? I&#039;ve managed to miss them all... Anyway, our entire civilization is based on the notion that we live by the rule of law. What you seem to advocate here is nothing less than anarchy -- if you don&#039;t like a law, then it was clearly passed by crooks, and it doesn&#039;t count. 
 
On a positive note, amusing to discover we both live in Pasadena. Go figure... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there really that many people talking about the SoCal grocery strike? I&#039;ve managed to miss them all&#8230; Anyway, our entire civilization is based on the notion that we live by the rule of law. What you seem to advocate here is nothing less than anarchy &#8212; if you don&#039;t like a law, then it was clearly passed by crooks, and it doesn&#039;t count. </p>
<p>On a positive note, amusing to discover we both live in Pasadena. Go figure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
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		<dc:creator>epobirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or there are a lot of people reading off the same sheet rather than generating any real thought of their own. When the same sentences appear over and over, it get s a bit suspicious. You personally may not be sockpuppeting or feel your parroting but the net result is the same. It is one thing to see the same ideas invoked repeatedly and another to see whole paragraphs reproduced. 
 
The judge made a decision based on the law he was required to interpret. It is a rare case in which the judge can rule against the law itself instead of working from it. And where did those laws come from? How did they get there? Somebody suggested them and put up the cash to lobby for their enactment. Who do you suppose would have done that? Gosh, you don&#039;t suppose it might have been unions with their fat coffers to control politicians who are entirely their puppets? The unions have lots of money and frequently are found to break the law, too. The difference is that the companies produce stuff and add to the economy while the unions are only parasites upon the economy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or there are a lot of people reading off the same sheet rather than generating any real thought of their own. When the same sentences appear over and over, it get s a bit suspicious. You personally may not be sockpuppeting or feel your parroting but the net result is the same. It is one thing to see the same ideas invoked repeatedly and another to see whole paragraphs reproduced. </p>
<p>The judge made a decision based on the law he was required to interpret. It is a rare case in which the judge can rule against the law itself instead of working from it. And where did those laws come from? How did they get there? Somebody suggested them and put up the cash to lobby for their enactment. Who do you suppose would have done that? Gosh, you don&#039;t suppose it might have been unions with their fat coffers to control politicians who are entirely their puppets? The unions have lots of money and frequently are found to break the law, too. The difference is that the companies produce stuff and add to the economy while the unions are only parasites upon the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
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		<dc:creator>epobirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gelsons has been in decline for most of my life and was never a big player. Trader Joes is a niche market specialist. Whole Foods has grown but mostly by acquisition. (They did recently open a new store near my Pasadena job.) The grocery market became a bit more diverse but mainly just in the denser areas. For huge swaths of the state, if you don&#039;t want to shop at Ralphs or Safeway out of solidarity with SEIU workers, you&#039;d better like driving a long ways. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gelsons has been in decline for most of my life and was never a big player. Trader Joes is a niche market specialist. Whole Foods has grown but mostly by acquisition. (They did recently open a new store near my Pasadena job.) The grocery market became a bit more diverse but mainly just in the denser areas. For huge swaths of the state, if you don&#039;t want to shop at Ralphs or Safeway out of solidarity with SEIU workers, you&#039;d better like driving a long ways.</p>
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		<title>By: WR1</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for market share, yes, I do just about all my grocery shopping in Southern California -- and Ralph&#039;s, Vons, etc lost lots of customers to Trader Joe&#039;s, Gelson&#039;s, and Whole Foods. Not all of them came back. You might not find these stores &quot;worth mentioning,&quot; but a lot of other people do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for market share, yes, I do just about all my grocery shopping in Southern California &#8212; and Ralph&#039;s, Vons, etc lost lots of customers to Trader Joe&#039;s, Gelson&#039;s, and Whole Foods. Not all of them came back. You might not find these stores &quot;worth mentioning,&quot; but a lot of other people do.</p>
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		<title>By: WR1</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve provided my name already, Mr. epobirs. And I don&#039;t post under anyone else&#039;s. If you&#039;ve read people who agree with me, maybe that because, well, there are a lot of people who agree with me. 
 
Interesting that the &quot;collusion claims&quot; were ridiculous. So ridiculous that a judge punished the companies. See, what you call &quot;ridiculous,&quot; the rest of the world calls &quot;breaking the law.&quot; You don&#039;t like the law? Get it changed. But your people don&#039;t get to ignore them just because they&#039;ve got a lot of money. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve provided my name already, Mr. epobirs. And I don&#039;t post under anyone else&#039;s. If you&#039;ve read people who agree with me, maybe that because, well, there are a lot of people who agree with me. </p>
<p>Interesting that the &quot;collusion claims&quot; were ridiculous. So ridiculous that a judge punished the companies. See, what you call &quot;ridiculous,&quot; the rest of the world calls &quot;breaking the law.&quot; You don&#039;t like the law? Get it changed. But your people don&#039;t get to ignore them just because they&#039;ve got a lot of money.</p>
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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
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		<dc:creator>epobirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parroting the latest DNC talking points is hardly contributing to the conversation. It strikes me as odd that commenters under different names at other sites have written remarkably similar entries. Almost as if they were quoting from the same source or something. After seeing the same blather regurgitated on multiple sites it is just trolling, regardless of whether it is multiple people working off the same source or one guy under multiple names. 
 
The collusion claims against the supermarkets were idiotic and the laws involved need to be repealed. It is ridiculous that the workforces of different companies can act together collusively under the union&#039;s aegis but the affected companies cannot act in the same fashion. And you neglected to mention the numerous scandals involving misuse of funds and other antics from SEIU bosses. But hey, supermarket checkers, those six-figure salary guys are looking out for you. Really. 
 
As for market share, please. Have you done much grocery shopping in California? Ralphs and Safeway/Vons are still the major powers, followed by Albertsons, with no other players worth mentioning in the non-membership sector. Wal-mart Supercenters, which include full grocery sections, don&#039;t have enough presence in this state as yet to matter that much. 
 
What the markets gave back is what they&#039;d offered in the first place before the strike. The union could have gotten it without any strike but arbitrarily refused it and ended up signing a less lucrative deal for the workers. Ultimately, the workers were put through a lot of pain and suffering at the union&#039;s behest for absolutely no good reason. I&#039;ve seen it happen before to both of my parents and numerous others. I determined a long time ago that I didn&#039;t want to go into any line of work that required union membership as I prefer to run my own life and make my own agreements with employers.  This in turn has made me very resentful of laws engineered by unions to make it difficult to operate outside of them, as if I were a child dependent on their guidance and protection. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parroting the latest DNC talking points is hardly contributing to the conversation. It strikes me as odd that commenters under different names at other sites have written remarkably similar entries. Almost as if they were quoting from the same source or something. After seeing the same blather regurgitated on multiple sites it is just trolling, regardless of whether it is multiple people working off the same source or one guy under multiple names. </p>
<p>The collusion claims against the supermarkets were idiotic and the laws involved need to be repealed. It is ridiculous that the workforces of different companies can act together collusively under the union&#039;s aegis but the affected companies cannot act in the same fashion. And you neglected to mention the numerous scandals involving misuse of funds and other antics from SEIU bosses. But hey, supermarket checkers, those six-figure salary guys are looking out for you. Really. </p>
<p>As for market share, please. Have you done much grocery shopping in California? Ralphs and Safeway/Vons are still the major powers, followed by Albertsons, with no other players worth mentioning in the non-membership sector. Wal-mart Supercenters, which include full grocery sections, don&#039;t have enough presence in this state as yet to matter that much. </p>
<p>What the markets gave back is what they&#039;d offered in the first place before the strike. The union could have gotten it without any strike but arbitrarily refused it and ended up signing a less lucrative deal for the workers. Ultimately, the workers were put through a lot of pain and suffering at the union&#039;s behest for absolutely no good reason. I&#039;ve seen it happen before to both of my parents and numerous others. I determined a long time ago that I didn&#039;t want to go into any line of work that required union membership as I prefer to run my own life and make my own agreements with employers.  This in turn has made me very resentful of laws engineered by unions to make it difficult to operate outside of them, as if I were a child dependent on their guidance and protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Des_</title>
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		<dc:creator>Des_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that case, maybe someone should unionize Democratic Party supporters.  I was talking to a friend last week and there are companies here on the verge of going out of business because they got screwed by Obama and Clinton not paying their bills.  Of course I&#039;m sure the companies going bankrupt is the least they can do to show their support for &quot;the party that cares.&quot;   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that case, maybe someone should unionize Democratic Party supporters.  I was talking to a friend last week and there are companies here on the verge of going out of business because they got screwed by Obama and Clinton not paying their bills.  Of course I&#039;m sure the companies going bankrupt is the least they can do to show their support for &quot;the party that cares.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: wr1</title>
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		<dc:creator>wr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would I spend my time here? Maybe it&#039;s because I&#039;m a wacky liberal who grew up in Berkeley, but it&#039;s long been my experience that many people enjoyed an exchange of different ideas instead of simply hearing their own thoughts parrotted back to them. That&#039;s why I go on left and right wing blogs. Are you so insecure in your beliefs that any disagreement must be a result of trolling? 
 
As for the supermarket strike, I think that was the last gasp of serious attempts at union busting in this country. The supermarkets colluded illegally to fight the unions, and ended up paying big fines for their crimes. They also lost lots of market share, some of which they never got back. (Hmm, just like the TV networks.) And in the next negotiation, the markets folded and gave back a lot of what they&#039;d taken away in the previous strike.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would I spend my time here? Maybe it&#039;s because I&#039;m a wacky liberal who grew up in Berkeley, but it&#039;s long been my experience that many people enjoyed an exchange of different ideas instead of simply hearing their own thoughts parrotted back to them. That&#039;s why I go on left and right wing blogs. Are you so insecure in your beliefs that any disagreement must be a result of trolling? </p>
<p>As for the supermarket strike, I think that was the last gasp of serious attempts at union busting in this country. The supermarkets colluded illegally to fight the unions, and ended up paying big fines for their crimes. They also lost lots of market share, some of which they never got back. (Hmm, just like the TV networks.) And in the next negotiation, the markets folded and gave back a lot of what they&#039;d taken away in the previous strike.</p>
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