Wonder Woman Reboot: Strident Feminism Is the Problem, Not the Costume
by James HudnallDC Comics has announced a new look and origin for Wonder Woman. They’re blaming it on the gods.
Once again DC shows it doesn’t know what to do with one of its most iconic characters. The problem with Wonder Woman isn’t her costume. It never was. But leave it to the suits to think a PC reboot is going to solve the problems that have plagued this character since her inception.

DC describes the new outfit as “a Wonder Woman look designed for the 21st century” that will allow Diana “to be taken seriously as a warrior, in partial answer to the many female fans over the years who’ve asked, ‘how does she fight in that thing without all her parts falling out?’ …The bracelets are still there, but made more colorful, tied on the inside and over the hand, with a script W on each of them that form WW when she holds them side by side… and if you get hit by one of them, it leaves a W mark. This is a Wonder Woman who signs her work.”
The problem with Wonder Woman isn’t her look. It’s her personality. She has never been a warm, appealing character. She comes from an island populated only by immortal Amazons who hate men. And men aren’t allowed to set foot on the island. This island of super-women send her to “the man’s world” where she brings the baggage of this sexist worldview.
See, here is problem #1. Most comics readers are male. So you start off telling them their gender sucks. Great sales pitch.
Let’s deal with some reality for a second. I know the PC crowd and leftists in general love the concept of “protected classes” and the idea that, say, women could do things better than men if they had the chance. But aside from the chauvinistic mentality of this argument it ignores a simple axiom. Women are human beings. Human beings are flawed creatures.
The idea that someone’s gender makes them wiser or better is the kind of elitist nonsense that every tyrant has used to justify their atrocities. Ask yourself this question: Has everyone you’ve come across in life who is a member of your gender, race or religion been wonderful to you? Can you honestly say that every member of your race, religion or gender has an impeccably perfect history of treatment of others?
The idea that a race, gender, sexual orientation, whatever sets a group apart from others is complete nonsense. We’re all human. And any story that sells the idea that one gender is bad and another good is nothing more than classist porn.
Secondly, while Diana Prince (Wonder Woman’s real name) does change her attitude somewhat when she comes ashore, the “whole men are evil” mentality continues. It’s misandry, plain and simple and that’s unappealing. She does undergo some growth as a character from her early days, but writers continue to revert to this lame argument, which is going to limit your audience to the self-loathing types. More on that in a second.
Third, she lacks personality. Any protagonist needs to be appealing in some way for the reader to identify with them or care about them. Every writer of that character failed to give us enough reason to invest ourselves in that storyline. Being good looking isn’t enough, especially in a world were 99% of the women are babes. Being able to do heroic deeds isn’t enough since that’s standard operating procedure for super-heroes and most comics writers don’t even seem to know what heroism means.
Fourth, her backstory isn’t very well thought out. It’s a hodgepodge of slap dash Greek Mythology badly researched and poorly executed by most who’ve handled her. The man (gasp!) who created her, Dr. William Moulton Marston, was a bit of a perv who was into bondage. This is why she got tied up a lot back in the ’40s when he worked on the comic. The story was supposed to be about feminism, but this is coming from some bondage loving guy who who lived with two women. One of his views was that there is “a male notion of freedom that is inherently anarchic and violent, and an opposing female notion based on ‘Love Allure’ that leads to an ideal state of submission to loving authority.” Creepy.
So, the characters origins come from a somewhat warped dude. And then, through the years DC has tried to make her some kind of ersatz feminist icon, spouting the usual clichéd bromides, basically saying “you can look but don’t touch!” Hostile, icy women may appeal to some, but are generally not going to win people over unless we’re given a good understanding of them as people. And writers over the years have failed to do that.
Until Wonder Woman gets handled by someone who understands the problems with this character and knows how to really fix them, this reboot is going to be yet another in a long line of failures. As for the costume, it’s shrug inducing. The whole point of a super-hero costume is to make them stand apart from everyone else in some way. Making her look more normal takes away what little fun was there in the first place.
Classic super-heroes are supposed to be bright spots in a dark world. Making them more muted and ordinary looking just makes them yet another face in the crowd.






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Eh. . . not sure the classic idea of Wonder Woman can be mainstream, but neither can the Comic Book Guys ™ who created her out of their own um. . . fantasies. Let the reader understand.
Lucy Lawless' warrior princess was much more palatable and fun.
But for my Wonder Woman qualifications, Sarah Palin would be a worthy role-model. Because as you said, Classic super-heroes are supposed to be bright spots in a dark world.
Yeah, but…Lynda Carter, rrrrrrrr!
Maybe fixing her uniform won't solve all the problems with Wonder Woman, but I'm thinking a thong and a tramp stamp would be a good start.
I actually kinda like the new costume, for a completely different character, but it's not Wonder Woman.
So let me get this straight, somebody actually asked "How does she fight in that outfit???" Seriously? It is a comic book. Mostly geared towards males. Trust me, she's not going to have a wardrobe malfunction unless they draw one in. The new look does not make her stand out at all. Your right she just blends in with the crowd now. Geez, Cant' these guys create comics that take you away from reality instead of trying to bring reality into the comics? If they did, they might actually sell a few more…
Wonder Woman can fly, is super-strong, has an invisible jet, and a magic lasso that makes people tell the truth but it's her costume that people have trouble believing?
I've seen speculation that they want to give her a costume that will be easier to deal with in a live action film. I suppose that would make a certain amount of sense since it might be difficult to keep an actress from constantly popping out of the costume while running and jumping and fighting. Then again they managed to do just that for several seasons of Xena: Warrior Princess with a very similar costume.
Ultimately, though, they'll go back to her iconic costume to protect their trademark. This is just a publicity stunt to sell a few comics as people will pick up the book to see the costume and check out the new origin and once DC has milked it for all they can, back she'll go. This is about as permanent a change as Red and Blue Superman.
I see this as an ongoing trend among the Progressive/Socialist crowd, turning our women into masculine girls and our boys into girlymen. I see this trend lately in all the media, the boy is scared (or a metrosexual) and the girl as to kick ass to save the day. A complete reversal of reality. I am a strong and confident woman, who can defend herself fairly enough, but I know if some bruiser from the hood wants to take me down, the simple laws of nature (IE Brute strength) will take affect. Sadly, and this as been shown in ancient Rome, Venitian league, and Post WW1 Europe, when women and society start demeaning masculinity the society will become weaker and fall eventually. This is happening to us now, as evident in the trend to talk to our enemies instead of kicking their ass to start with.
Joan,
Do you think Lynda Carter could "loan" Sarah one of those original costumes???
THAT would make a GRRRRREAT Palin 2012 sign…
Sorry, you started it… put that thought into my male brain… Sorry…
Great, now I won't be able to concentrate the rest of the day….
There have been thousands of female superheroes, but Wonder Woman is one of the few anyone can name (and probably the longest lived) so she must be doing something right. I think one thing that hurts her is she doesn't have the great rogues' gallary of Batman.
Admittedly, I've never read the comics but Wonder Woman was fine in the Justice Leage animated tv show (and the Wonder Woman movie done by the same team) she was in. I don't think much of the few episodes of the live action tv show I've seen, but while it was weak on the action side, Lydna Carter was extremely easy on the eyes.
It was Joan! She did it. Now it is in my brain I will never forget it!
And I was NEVER one of those "Palin is a Hottie" types, I liked her BRAINS and her VALUES…
AAAAAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!
Curse my simple mind so easily distracted…
Oh I like her brains and values but c'mon man!! Anyone with somewhat decent vision can see she's beautiful woman. And in Lynda Carter's original costume???
MUST…….FOCUS…….ON………..WORK……..
Who's here is good with photoshop? This ones a must see?
Sorry Joan……..but DaveM is right…….we are easily distracted…….bright shiny objects…..beer….hot chicks dressed like Wonder Woman……….that about sums us up……………….
I don't think they went far enough with that new costume to internationalize her. They need to arrange those yellow stars on her blue top in a nice EU circle and put a nice yellow hammer and sickle (and maybe a cluster of yellow stars to the upper left) on the front side of her red top.
This is one of the best comic book-related articles I've ever read, Mr. Hudnall. Very perceptive.
Wonder Woman lacks Superman's stoic heroism, Batman's psychological pathos, the Flash's sense of fun, or the Green Lantern's boundless sci-fi backdrop. In the eyes of most comic fans, all she has going for her is nostalgia. As a major draw, she's doomed to failure; she's too goofy to be an effective Batman-esque churl, and too churlish to be a Flash-imitating goof.
Oh, here ya go, guys. Morgan at House of Eratosthenes has the best rendering, right there on the sidebar. It's what you're imagining anyway and totally safe for work.
Aaaah! Lynda Carter. What a babe!
Give me hot pants over a body suit any day.
Rip Ford is correct, this is simply a gimmick to sell more copies, but unfortunately the comic industry has lost a lot of business. I used to collect a lot of titles but with the cost of most topping $4 the quality simply doesnt match the price any longer. Add in that most titles can be read online by scanning services and they are a fraction of what they used to be and shrinking.
OK, so some of you think that Linda Carter is a babe. Nevermind that she hates the true Wonder Woman, Sarah Palin. And that Carter is married to a corrupt DC lawyer. Now as for the outfit, I perfer the original 70's over the remake.
Which is probably Wonder Woman's REAL strength – men distracted by her costume. No need for bracelets or powers. Just her bustier.
And how did someone from a line of misandrysts wind up picking the name Prince?
Maybe she secretly likes the weaker sex.
Just wondering.
Don't forget the Crescent. Gotta have that! It's where the EU is headed.
I don't know why, but she was seemed a lot more interesting and had more personality in the Justice League cartoon than in the comics. Maybe some of the comic writers should have a chat with some of the cartoon's writers. Or I could be hallucinating. I did take DayQuil this morning.
Yeah. No one told Linda Carter that you don't spit on your fan base. Sadly, you have to TELL Hollyweird this or they don't think of it on their own.
As a comic reader for some 30 years now, I really don't like the costume change gimmick. Having said that, I strongly disagree with your assessment of WW's viability as a character.
First, her origin. You have two broad points: 1) her origin essentially pigeonholes the character as a vehicle for misandrist storytelling, and 2) her origin is flat-out goofy. Regarding the latter, I can only assert that every superhero origin is goofy. Every superhero comic demands suspension of disbelief from the reader, starting with the origin. Regarding the former, WW's forays into man's world have actually made her, especially when compared to the more militant of her fellow Amazons, very egalitarian.
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Second, the stories. I flat-out disagree with the assertion that every writer has failed to make readers invest in the character. From George Perez's reboot in 1986 (which, BTW, streamlined her origin considerably), to the runs of William Messner-Loebs, Greg Rucka, and most recently, Gail Simone, WW has indeed been an interesting, sometimes even relateable character.
So, in my mind, WW has not been the dull, misandrist b-tier character you believe she is. Of course, there remains the distinct possibility that with a new writer coming on board, everything that was good about the character could be retconned away, and you could be proven right in the end.
NOT TOO SHABBY!
Thanks Joan!
Just not GaltFan, Have you seen his "shops" of Palin for LOL's avatars???
OOF!
Bill Engval pegged it with his bit on b( * )( * )bs…….. "… Huh? Did you say something?"
LOL Joan you are such a dear, tossing the red meat to the dudes. LMAO……
Let's get real. It's her red, white & blue with stars on it costume they don't like. She's an American super-heroine, not a guest on Oprah. As an old lady who grew up on Wonder Women comics, let's say she was a role model that allowed us girls in the 50's to see ourselves as something more than the cute girl next door.
I have faith that J. Michael Straczynski, the new writer for Wonder Woman, will do the right thing with the character. I really enjoyed 'Babylon 5', and I have a feeling that I would enjoy this as well. Not to mention the fact that her new look goes against the trend toward totally indecent costumes on female superheroes. A lot of the comic books today border on soft porn, teasing the reader with salacious images. In a world filled with that sort of tantalizing imagery, it is refreshing to see someone taking a stand. In Straczynski's own words from an interview:
"Rather than objectifying her, we wanted to focus on less flesh and more character, which is not always the way female superheroes are drawn."
Those runs are pretty much the highlights in WW's almost 70-year history, though. The original Marston/Peter Golden Age stories are great and imaginative for their era as well. Unfortunately, Wonder Woman has never had the equivalent of a Frank Miller on Batman or Mark Waid on Flash type of creator situation happening for her. Even the George Perez run – good as it was – jettisoned a lot of the stuff in the character's personal mythology and history in favor of a stronger tie to Greek mythology. So, to my mind, it didn't completely succeed in encompassing all the things that make WW unique and interesting into something truly iconic.
Grant Morrison or Alan Moore could probably do wonders (!) with Wondy, but everything about the Straczynski take sounds god-awful to me.
The outfit doesn't bother me a great deal, but I agree that it hardly suits Wondie. I do find her origins and shaky legacy depressing though. She started out as fetish fantasy fulfillment for her creator and writers both good and bad have tried to fix her up. George Perez, Greg Rucka, and Gail Simone really cleaned the character up ever since, but usually it takes one writer to screw the character over. Those three writers are really the only reliable ones.
Also I'd like to add that WW is pretty equality oriented now, especially wanting to integrate into a man's world, as HSMMOT explained above. Wonder Woman has/had a steady love interest before, though her love with him as on again-off again, especially with shrill feminists like Gloria Steinem complaining a while back that Wonder Woman should not have "that pig" anywhere near her if she's to be a woman's icon.
[...] 7/2/10: James Hudnall at Big Hollywood is giving a very thoughtful treatment to the makeover, although by “thoughtful” what I [...]
Mr Hudnall,
you write this article like someone who has no familiarity with the charecter beyond what you would find in a wikipedia article.
For one, many wonder woman stories are about her overcomming her instilled amazonian prejudice against men. So if anything its about overcomming the idea of protected classes.
Two, as far as your beef with her origins go, i assure there are much worse ones, and, the story that causes her costume change is actually a retconn of her origin – so its very likely they are trying to help just that problem – this fact is by the way in the very article you reference, but yet it is unmentioned here.
This is news? They do things like this periodically in the comics world to build hype around a big issue. There's nothing new here.
Recent cases in point:
The new "Azrael" modernized metal Batman costume.
Lightening costume Superman
Bearded hook-arm Aquaman
Clone spiderman with hooded sweatshirt
Superboy with leather jacket (later with t-shirt)
Bluejeans WonderGirl
Post Steve Rogers, gun-wielding, Captain America with revised costume
Gray Hulk, Red Hulk
etc, etc, etc….
Maybe we're reading a bit much into this?
Yep. As soon as I heard JMS was taking over, I immediately thought "Spider-totem" and shuddered. Hopefully, if he does anything too disastrously bad, it'll get thrown down the memory hole.
Actually i agree with this assessment alot. She doesnt have good bad guys at all. The only one i can name from the top of my head is Docctor Psycho and thats more from the crisis books than her own.
Yeah, the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman is a feast for the eyes.
"…but I'm thinking a thong and a tramp stamp would be a good start."
Um, NO.
The least they could have done was bare her midriff in the new outfit.
I'll be concentrating for the rest of the day, but it won't be on work.
So the ultimate realization of the Wonder Woman mythos is "The Story of O"? Works for me.
You know, I had a strong feeling that Carter hated righties. Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia in Star Wars) said something to a similar effect.
She's got the brains, values and accomplishments on her score card, yes. And on top she's a hottie.
And the dudes do appreciate the effort!
She had the most amazing eyes. Still does.
Agreed. And I thought the on going flirtation with Superman was a mistake too.
Hence the costume.
I disagree with this: "Once again DC shows it doesn’t know what to do with one of its most iconic characters."
Thanks mostly to writer (and now, I think, some sort of editor/executive) Geoff Johns has given amazing life to Green Lantern and Superman. His stories intrigue with a balance of freshness and tradition. There's also a patriotic element to his work, and he takes on themes with intellectual honesty.
This costume, while bad, is probably nothing more than something to get people talking. It looks more like Jim Lee's Rogue from the '90s.
As much as I liked Marvelman/Miracle Man, Watchmen, The Killing Joke, and his run on Swamp Thing, Alan Moore should be kept far away from Wonder Woman. There's an all too real possibility that Moore would take William Moulton Marston's bondage fetish and run with it. I mean, in Miracle Man we find out that the evil Dr. Gargunza basically used Miracle Woman as a sex toy. In Watchmen we have the Comedian attempting to rape the first Silk Spectre. In The Killing Joke we have the strong implication that the Joker raped the first Batgirl after shattering her spine. I don't want to see what he'd do with a character who's creator gave a strong bondage theme to right from the beginning.
Agreed. Leotards went out of vogue with the demise of the Solid Gold Dancers and aerobics.
They're probably hoping to capitalize on a clothing line, and the original just wouldn't sell.
I'm blaming you for the lack of productivity today…..
Wonder Woman should not have "that pig" anywhere near her
In that case Steinem should exit the room.
Wow, you must be a big hit with the ladies….
Not sure exactly what you mean, but since its a polite, respectful response, you get a thumbs up from me.
I never quite got the idea behind Wonder Woman. I think a good reboot would be to have her look like Pat from SNL, she would be a hero who got her name because you always kinda had to wonder if that was a woman or a dude.
Speaking of flirtation, there's an old Japanese anime movie called Project A-ko that implies that Superman and Wonder Woman have a daughter while living in Japan. The daughter is the titular A-ko.
"Wow, you must be a big hit with the ladies…."
Ha, I wish!
That was sarcasm chief, I've found that insulting a woman's looks because of her age is not very wise….
My bad.
Most of the knives sticking out of my back were put there by women…my so-called "sisters." Women are vicious to each other and are no better than men in their ambition, morals, lack of responsibility, or courage. Men, at least, when raised properly, have a code of honor.
The only reason feminism has any resonance with me is there HAS been throughout history a willingness to pile ALL of men's failure upon women who would otherwise rise to the occasion if they knew they had the support of men. Instead, when we talk about the effects of out of wedlock birth, the brunt of the accusations and responsibilities are dumped on the women involved. Why isnt there pressure among men to pile coals upon the man who knocked her up? Why aren't there severe societal repurcussions for the man who helped get her pregnant? Why arent older men going after the younger men for screwing up the life of a child? Im not talking about the men who tried to offer assistance and were rebuffed by the women. I'm talking about the young punk who goes around impregnanting several women and never being held to account by his 'brothers.' Why arent the men thinking about the future lives of the children and heaping shame upon the men as well as the women??? I still see a disparity in our society about that.
Otherwise, there are a good many women I would like to slap for their mendacity and selfishness.
Hank and David – ROFLMAO!! you guys are so cute! LOL
Intent aside I like the new look. Back in the 40's when she was created the bathing beauty look worked. It worked all the way through the 1970's with Linda Carter because despite her strength she was seen as a normal woman with grace and feminine charms. In other words she wasn't a tomboy, she wasn't a butch, she wasn't a woman trying to make it in a mans world, she wasn't a symbol of feminism that trounced on men's emotions. In the old costume, in todays time, the halter tops and shorts conjure up images of soccer player's sports bras, and other jock/butch-like women come to mind. Really outside of Butch Lesbians who wants to watch a woman who can be as nasty in her habits as a man. So this upgrade makes Wonder Woman look more fashion-oriented, more stylish. More like a woman who doesn't have to prove she can play with the boys…because after all she's Wonder Woman. Besides she does have stars on her shoulders and the colors are still Red, White, Blue and Gold.
With that being said I wouldn't go too far in messing with American Icons. Thought it was a disgrace when the screwed up the "Truth, Justice and the American Way " line in Superman Returns by saying, "Truth, Justice and all that."
I'm assuming your asking about my second point, my mistake i used comic vocab words. Retconn is comicspeak for reconceive. Every once so often, when a writer feels a charecters backstory is too complicated or no longer relatable in todays age, they rewrite/reimagine it as an attempted fix. Nearly all major charecters have had this done, most multiple times.
The article that broke her costume change talked about doing this, which makes a beef about her backstory kind of moot / since hopefully it will be fixed.
Yeah, people would ask that. I ask that all the time. When gaming, my girls tend to wear, ya know, kevlar and stuff.
I do understand the appeal of comics to the male demographic, but for the ladies who read them, that aspect does often stretch the bounds of suspension of disbelief, like the chainmail bikini fantasy counterpart.
If they were going to do it properly, there wouldn't be a ret-con. I, and most others I know, find ret-coms to be offensive. It implies that the writers can't properly engineer a character's evolution away from what they started out as into what they need to be. The process of that change makes a characters that much more interesting when done correctly. To me, the ret-con is simply lazy.
I think of it as a neccessary evil. Name me any other charecter who has existed for so long and not be retconned. Theres a reason for this.
Well, those great writers sure made the comic a hot commodity, didn't they? Why the need to change her costume? The book has never been a hit with the fans.
Okay, that's where I'm getting lost, comic book lingo. Not a big fan, never have been, but I don't begrudge people who love them. Can't stand opera or jazz either, but obviously they are wildly popular with others, so who am I to judge?
Even though I wasn't sure exactly what you meant, I was happy to see no snarkiness with the disagreement with the author. I like it when people can debate respectfully, even if they can't agree. Something I never saw on when I was on the left. Over there, any deviation from the talking points brings down an avalanche of hate.
William Moulton Marston was a "bit of perv" because he was into bondage and lived in a polyamorous relationship?
That is the problem with Wonder Woman right there. Fans and creators are judgmental prudes who can't handle any sexuality that's different from the norm. It's not just a problem with Wonder Woman — most male characters don't get sex lives, either.
Rather than deal with the implications of WW's startlingly original origin (Amazon princess, bondage), they fall back on the inaccessible ice queen idea. And give her a dowdy new costume that makes her look downright matronly.
http://childmurderingrobot.blogspot.com/2010/06/w...
As I said in the article, her attitude improved. But the argument still comes up and frankly, it's only one of the problems I cite.
Technically, she's not American–never has been.
Sexual fantasies have nothing to do with reality. Getting tied up by women in leather outfits does nothing to solve world hunger, etc. I don't care what people do in their private lives as long as no one is getting seriously hurt. But the idea that domination or bondage is going to solve the world's problems, which is what he was implying, is flat out bent.
"Classic super-heroes are supposed to be bright spots in a dark world" Uh…Batman's costume? Just sayin'. This costume is for an "alternate universe" Wonder Woman–this is not the "real" Wonder Woman. DC comics pulled this for publicity to bump sales for the 600th issue, and lo and behold, the media–old/new/left/right fell for it faster than Mr. Mxyzptlk getting tricked into saying his name backwards. After years of continually sliding sales DC is trying yet again to boost Wonder Woman. Like all the other "shocking" changes in comics (dead/red/blue Superman, broken back Batman/"missing" Batman, dead Captain America, it's a sure bet that she'll be back in the bustier soon enough. One interesting note is that unlike pretty much all the classic heroes (see Siegal and Shuster's famous fight with DC/Warner Bros over Superman, and the upcoming Kirby estate's fight with Marvel over, well, pretty much all their film properties) Wonder Woman is still owned in part by the estate of her creator: should DC decide to stop publishing, they'll lose the rights to the character. Personally, I don't mind the new outfit (and she looks a lot more delicate than Alex Ross' Amazon at the top of this piece–not matronly at all), but I gave up on Wonder Woman after valiantly trying for many years. No matter how many writers, male/female/whatever, they can't give her any warmth and attempt to build her supporting cast and enemies have been pathetic.
The ethos of the left is that there are not supposed to be any stand-out characters in society. Everyone's supposed to be "equal" in all ways, regardless. No such thing as exceptional-by-deeds with the "level-the-playing-field" crowd. If they had their way, everyone would actually have two sets of genitalia, just to complete the equalization of everyone.
If there is more than trying to "equalize" or "feminize" the Wonder Woman motif, the secondary aim here I think is to demure or eradicate any hint of the exceptionalism of America, period. Wonder Woman's costume was nothing less than being draped in the American flag, a "Captain America" with hour-glass curves, if you will. This goal reminds me (and was already mentioned above) of when the new Superman movie announced that the man from Krypton was here to protect 'Truth, justice, and "all that stuff,"' leaving off the famous tag, "The American way."
I can't deny that, nor did I even attempt to argue against that, sir. Perez, Messner-Loebs, et al are, however, still great writers, and they did produce great stories, even if the books only sold 30K(?) copies each month.
And I did agree with you that the costume change is a cash grab gimmick. It happens. Hell, Marvel changed Spider-Man's costume back in the early 80s; isn't he supposed to be the ultimate everyman character and a blockbuster hit with the fans?
Obvious troll is Obvious. When changing an iconic comic character like that feminism is not the cause. Money is. Wonder Woman has been hemorrhaging money the past 5 or so years and needed a make over. Thats all thats behind this, not some shady DC Universe Feminist plot.
I guess I am just looking at it from the standpoint that most comic book heros have odd outifts. Some are cooler than others but for the most part they are all weird. The wonder woman look has evolved into different things but this new look is just bad. I realize fighting in what she has been wearing all these years is outlandish but it is a comic book character.
They've also changed Batman's costume over the years and he has been popular, and no so much, as times go by. I wasn't trashing the writer's talent, merely that they failed to convince the public at large to get into the comics. Why should I buy Wonder Woman if I'd I already passed on it before? That is the question they need to answer and they didn't do that successfully.
We could talk about her lack of a strong villain's gallery, etc. But I was focusing on the fundamental problems. And yes, while not a WW fan, I have read the series on and off over the years. So I am familiar with what people have tried before. Including making her work at a fast food joint at one point.
What are you? 12? You're not going to win any friends around here with gratuitous insults.
FYI: I've been checking in on the book on and off since the 1960s. That's going on 40 years now. So I'd say I know a bit more than you seem to think.
Costume changes are always pure death.
Costume/design changes for Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk were briefly successful, but they never seem to stick — comic book readers seem to be a rather conservative lot by nature.
I disagree — I think if more people were bondaging each other up, we'd have a lot less conflict.
Maybe if everyone was getting more and more fun sex, they'd be less likely to, for instance, protest against crop modifications that could help starving people in Africa grow their own food.
I'll be sure to recommend you for secretary of state.
After reading the linked article.. i don't think the costume bugs me as much (the fight scene they show is not bad.. not "fantastic" but not bad..). The bracelets do though (when they redrew Thor they used an almost identical look for his wristbands) and she could do without the neckcollar.
Her facial appearance however… I dunno something just looks off there.
That being said, from reading the article, this looks like a full "rewrite" of WW… and IMO it sounds like a decent theory… it'll be up to the authors to not fall into the "woman good, man bad" trap. (Of course, now they'll have to refigure out the whole DIana Prince/Bruce Wayne/Clark Kent – Bats/WW/Superman love triangle theory they were playing with at one time.)
I will agree that WW hasn't made the big time the way she should, but I would argue that DC has failed to properly push her. I can think of numerous Batman books (Batman, Detective Comics, Batman & Robin, Batman Confidential, assorted minis,and ancilliary titles like Streets of Gotham and Gotham City Sirens) and Superman books (Superman, Action Comics, assorted minis) published each month, yet only one WW book. If she were given a more central role in the DCU, I think she would be more popular. Ultimately, the blame lies with the editors who plan out the DCU in advance, I think.
cont. below.
I will also concede that she does not have the villains that the big two do, or for that matter, Green Lantern or the Flash. Apart from Dr. Psycho,Cheetah, and Ares, she doesn't have anyone uniquely identifiable as a WW villain. Maybe this part of it is a failure of the writers, after all.
I remember the storyline with her working fast food; it was, I believe during the Messner-Loebs run; while hardly a sense-shattering Gotterdamerung, it was an attempt to humanize a character who has, literally, one foot in godhood. As a character who never had an Alfred or Ma and Pa Kent, I think the intent was to humanize her, which hardly fits the ice princess you portray the character as being.
Then again, this is all my opinion; I could be wrong. I do appreciate the opportunity to debate it with you, just the same.
I wasn't trying to insult anyone really, just state my personal tastes. I don't have a problem with anyone liking Sarah Palin like that.
Thanks! I wouldn't be the worst secretary of state.
I know that I always watched the TV show with a sort of fascination for the physics of it all. HOW did they get that thing to stay up there?
But it's not ever seriously asked, I think. All superhero costumes are pretty silly and they stay on because they're spray paint. Everyone knows that.
Interesting idea, only other time ive seen it is kindom come.
In the same respect though, if your just going by the public at large, is that really fair? As far as I know all female based comics have a difficult time gaining large public leadership.
As far as why to get into it now? If you arent now this probably wont be big enough of a change to alter that. Though, I do like their pitch for retconning her past – it sounds very neil gaimen esque – i.e. all about making mythology accessible.
Uhhh, dude, her color scheme is exactly what it was before.
Uhhh, dude, she never wore the american flag, and isn't even american. Try again.
Jeff Foxworthy:
"Ladies, you want to know what men are thinking? I'll tell you what we're thinking: 'I'd like a beer and I'd like to see somethin' nekkid.' That's it! You see women's magazines, they're all about how to get a good man, how to get rid of a bad man, how to change a bad man into a good man. You see men's magazines, it's pictures of nekkid women! And beer ads!"
I really don't see Wonder Woman as trampy. Sexy, yes, but not over-the-top.
I give it a year before it's changed back to status quo.
I hope so.
It's all relative. Was Hillary Clinton that hot when she was in her 40s?
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