Left Lashes Out at ‘V’, Obama-Friendly ABC Purges Showrunner…
by James HudnallLast night a brave and insightful documentary was aired that accurately portrayed the wave of ObamaMania that swept the nation. It was called “V” and aired on ABC to mostly rave reviews and tremendous ratings.
There was another documentary about the Obama campaign on HBO, but that left out a lot of relevant facts, so spaceships and lizard-people aside, ABC wins the veracity award.
The parable is, an attractive group of aliens show up, out of the blue, and offer universal health care, advanced technology and world peace in exchange for our trust and devotion. All we have to do is believe everything they say without question. Which means, don’t ask anything about their hidden motives or past associations because that would be racist impolite. In fact, one reporter who is offered an exclusive interview with their leader is admonished not to say anything negative or they would be denied access (Hi, Fox!).
And what do you know, the aliens are really here to eat us. And maybe even take over our car companies and banks. That part is unclear. But I’m sure they will reduce unemployment, because there will be less people looking for work. Oops, I guess “V” has nothing to do with Obama, because he sure isn’t doing well on that front. But anyhoo–
The New Republic’s Jonathan Chait was outraged by the pilot. Outraged, I say!
This is not just a right-wing worldview but the worldview of the paranoid Tea Party movement. I’m really not sure how this made it onto network television. Maybe the calculation is that Glenn Beck will start urging his viewers to watch and a ratings bonanza will ensue. (I don’t expect scientists will be the scapegoats in the new series, as the original “V” alien campaign to tar scientists as a fifth column sits uncomfortably close to the current right-wing view that the world’s leading scientific organizations are conspiring to suppress evidence that global warming is a hoax.)
Ah, it’s Glenn Beck’s fault. He’s the new W, don’t you know. The New York Times critic said “V” was unrealistic because no one would trust attractive strangers with a hidden past and motives, who told them what they wanted to hear in such a short amount of time. Yeah, right. Like that would happen.
Naturally, when a show debuts to huge ratings and mostly great reviews, the producer’s career is golden. Not this time. Apparently the network who gave Obama an infomercial and refuses to release the “Path to 9/11″ DVD decided to replace the show runner Scott Peters before the pilot even aired. In fact, ABC hosted a big visit by press people last Monday, but Peters was notably absent. Exec producer Steve Pearlman spoke with the reporters.
Peters has been demoted to exec producer, a largely honorary title and has been replaced by former “The Shield” and “Chuck” alum Scott Rosenbaum.
Was this a case of ABC purging a political dissident from the show to make it more politically subservient? ABC has been very pro-Obama. And while the president’s name is never mentioned once in the show, there’s little doubt what they’re getting at. Critics of the “V” aliens are shown to be viewed as wackos and fringe people, the same way the MSM likes to portray ordinary Americans who don’t drink the kOOl-aid. Journalists who question the motives of the V are treated like they’re “not real news”. Wink!
The show has been very entertaining so far. It tries to get a lot in the first episode so things move very fast. I guess that’s why the NY Times guy found it so unbelievable. After all, lefties were questioning if Obama was black enough in 2007 before they became full on acOlytes a year later.
We’ll have to see if Rosenbaum’s episodes will feature positive portrayals of the “V’s” “death panels” and their reduction of the human population as lowering our carbon footprint and “saving the planet.”
One thing’s certain, I doubt the “V” would find too many people in this administration very appetizing.
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I read Mr. Chait's review earlier today. After reading it, I still wasn't sure whether V was a good show, but it was clear that Chait is a douche.
ABC, which in reality stands for Always Been Clueless strikes again…
Yes, a Stalinist purge is necessary to purify the ideological framework of said entity. Poor Mr Peters. he blithely assumed that success would be rewarded.
Silly lad. This from the same folks that brought you 'Redacted', and the nightly ravings of Maddow, Olbermann and Maher.
An alien invasion parable about loss of freedom. Whatever was he thinking?…
Enjoyed "V" last night
The best part was when Anna said you can't make the visitors look bad or say anything to cast any doubt
It sounded exactly like the WH press briefing
We conservatives kinda are the resistance also
This show is more like a Obama Biography than a Fiction SciFi show
Trade the reptiles for Marxist and it is a reality show
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This all came up back in the summer — the Obama angle, I mean … click here http://blog.zap2it.com/kate_ohare/2009/11/abcs-v-... — so they've been aware of it for a while. And picking a guy from "The Shield" (not really a liberal-friendly show) and "Chuck (where Adam Baldwin's character publicly worships Reagan) doesn't seem like a obvious purge for ideological reasons. I say, let's watch some more episodes and see if they keep the same tone or change it.
It's way too early to determine what direction V will trend. I am surprised that Chair got into a twists after forty or so minutes of exposition without waiting to see how the show played out. Reading an anti-Obama message into a show that ABC hopes will be around in the springtime as a regular series after its first episode is akin to watching the opening sequence of the director's cut of Miami Vice and assuming it's a well shot documentary on speed boat racing. Let it play out before deciding that ABC purged someone. Chait's thin-skin need not provide us cover to jump the gun here.
Actually, I'm encouraged now that I know a "Chuck" alum is running the show. Maybe we'll actually see some exciting sequences and some interest generated for the characters (in the incredibly boring and expository pilot, they were really more ciphers than characters). I can only hope Peters was purged because the pilot was excruciatingly dull and not because of his political beliefs.
Jonathan Chait says "…I’m really not sure how this made it onto network television…"
Spoken like a true Fascist!
This show is excellent, so far. I hope ABC doesn't cave or Hussein doesn't take them over like he did with NBC.
Jonathan, you dolt, ("This is not just a right-wing worldview but the worldview of the paranoid Tea Party movement. I’m really not sure how this made it onto network television. Maybe the calculation is that Glenn Beck will start urging his viewers to watch and a ratings bonanza will ensue. (I don’t expect scientists will be the scapegoats in the new series, as the original “V” alien campaign to tar scientists as a fifth column sits uncomfortably close to the current right-wing view that the world’s leading scientific organizations are conspiring to suppress evidence that global warming is a hoax") IT'S A REMAKE FGS.
It is so blatant. I think you will see more films like this, but it will not be as mainstream as this one. I hear some movies are on the way.
How long before a poor, innocent V is seen being tortured by Angry Evil Human Extremists? How long before we get the lecture about how the V's are better caretakers of our environment than humans? How long before we hear that human greed and man's cruelty to man is the REAL reason the V's came to earth? How long before we are told that humans must learn to embrace the unique and rich culture of the V's (because, hey, they're not all bad) and celebrate diversity!
I hope this show doesn't take the path of moral relativism (hi, Battlestar Gallactica) but these days, it wouldn't surprise me if it did.
"This is not just a right-wing worldview but the worldview of the paranoid Tea Party movement. I’m really not sure how this made it onto network television." – Jonathan Chait
FAN- F—ING-TASTIC! This idiot's opinion MAKES ME WANT TO SEE THIS PROGRAM!
I'm sorry I missed the premire. I'll be tuning in to this and I rarely stray off cable TV fare to the dinosaur networks, YA!
Always Been Clueless probably was/is so enamoured by the Messiah, it never occurred to them that the aliens in "V" might remind some people of what happened to the USA. Once the movie airs, however, they'll go OMG! What a hoot.
Did the Aliens avoid Fox News?
I agree, however, it looks bad.
Personally. I thought it was entertaining enough. They had a lot to set up in the first episode and I thought it worked fine. Character development is hard with so many players and so much plot to deal with.
I cant believe they had the guts to air this, but i am glad they did, i think after the W/H gets finished with them it will be taken off the air.
you bet- and just because it is eerily similar to the Imperial Presidency of The One doesn't mean it was maent to be so.
As in any good marxist society, that which isn't fealty is criticism- no matter HOW peripheral…
This should create a huge new demand for the uncensored 'V'
Be warned, lowly humans, the health care bill is really a cook book.
I feel the same way James. I don't even have ABC on my television, but I'll find "V" on the internet somewhere and watch it. Just from what I've read, I can't believe the ABC lakeys even let this on their network. It doesn't sound like this "V" show is towing the party line. I'm going to bust out the pop-corn, and turn the volume up real loud when I watch it.
I hope Mark Loyd did'nt watch the show last night. If he did this could be the only show that airs.
This is not just a right-wing worldview but the worldview of the paranoid Tea Party movement.
I may be a (proud) tea-bagger, but at least I'm not a liberal nut-case douche-bagger.
"The New York Times critic said “V” was unrealistic because no one would trust attractive strangers with a hidden past and motives"………………………that's a joke,Right?
Didn't America just elect one President.
It's a terrible shame but not unexpected. The first episode was great, as if anything with Morena Baccarin wouldn't be, but you could already see ABC's destructive touch. The part at the end when the priest asks what their weapon is the FBI lady says some gobbleygook. We all know the original line was "HOPE". ABC is going to wreck this show and change it from a good show with great ratings into some tired pablum of diversity and leftist ideology that no one watches. I rated it a solid A for attacking the Obama cult and casting Alan Tudyk. And we can always use more solid sci-fi shows with fascistic lizard aliens. Now if they only had an Adam Baldwin cameo we could talk an A+…
Let's see.
The lovely actress, Morena Baccarin.
Now Scott Rosenbaum as showrunner(from the decidedly un-PC show, The Shield).
I think this makes me want to watch it even more!
I thought the writing was a touch weak. Better than Flash Forward, but that's damning with faint praise. It felt rushed, though that might be due to half the pilot being chopped, the first four episodes would have created much more dramatic oomph had the knowledge of the infiltrators been revealed towards the end. Again, that pre-supposes the series gets picked up, which I guess ABC was unwilling to do. I'll see it play out, but if it follows the Flash Forward path (interesting premise with inadequate execution) I won't hope for a renewal come spring.
The show was extremely entertaining and the correlations between the current administration/government and the aliens were dead on. From Peace and Change, National Health Care, indoctrination of the youth, and media bias, it was like watching reality tv!
OK, my ol' 'flyover country' noggin is spinning now. Let me try to summarize: ABC has a new show called "V" in which the evil, bloodthirsty aliens are, in fact, a thinly veiled reference to the Obama administration, right? Especially, the part about how everything the aliens? Obama? does has some diabolical, humanity-destroying ulterior motive? And this, in the liberal view, is supposed to be a good thing? Are liberals really stupid enough tot think we're all that stupid? Look, I take a back seat to no one for the length of my 'vile liberals whose art I refuse to enable' list, but, c'mon, even I think that sometimes a cigar is (and, darn it, should be) just a cigar…er, pardon my referencing one of the original vile liberals, BTW.
Actually, we will have to wait till March to find out. The 4 episodes that will be airing now (with ratings beeing the pass/fail indicator for more next year) were completed before Peter's downgrade.
But you do have a point regarding his replacement, Rosenbaum. We shall have to wait and see in March if pressure from above was heeded.
I read chronic State-shtupper Jonathan Chait's review and apparently in the State-shtupper lexicon, "paranoid" is just a synonym for "pro-freedom."
The Left is a bit touchy these days…No need to worry…their boy will be run out at the next cycle of elections and they can lick thier wounds in private….
Such nonsenss….Obama compared to pretty strangers offering universal health care….pshaw….not even close.
If "V" were real life (I mean, with space aliens in power rather than socialists), Chait would undoubtedly be greeting the new overlords bent over and with bared buttocks, while shouting at the rest of us, "You can trust them! They promise hope and change! Submit gracefully!"
That it got to air is remarkable. But it was so on-the-mark, I could not believe it. Plus, I love sci-fi and with a mix of real-time worldly events mixed in, makes me smile.
[...] Here we go again… [...]
I loved the show. I am glad that it did well. I hope that things don't get messed around with to much. The story line from V was simple. tell people what they want to hear and they will do anything. Especially if it is free and takes no effort. Most people are like sheep.( Omba election anyone? ) The hopey changy thing…It Is amazing to me that during the orginal V there wasn't any conflict with the politics of the day. That I can remember.
The left can give it out all day, but they can't take it. Chait is a prime example of the general indignation felt by the left when tv comes a little too close to reality. How dare ABC make fun of the One! Peters was the fall guy, and I'm sure ABC is offering up mea culpas to the White House. I'm sure they will be forced to sit next to Fox the next time they are let back into a press conference.
I take Chait's review as an outstanding endorsement of one of the most relevant and profound sci-fi mini series to come along in twenty years.
Joe S., Agent Provocateur/ Hollywood Dissident Reporting In:
The showrunner was canned because the writing on this show supposedly needed to be made more compelling *as a writer working in this town* I can see the network's point in making this decision after noticing some of the rough edges in the premiere's narrative structure.
To those of you BH fans who think there's a stalinist purge going on, I say withhold your judgement for a while: The real ideological force behind last night's intriguing storyline was not (primarily) the dismissed producer . The creators of this show are striving for a continuation of the vibe and compelling reveals achieved in the recently concluded Battlestar Galactica (a show that realistically addressed existential terrorist threats, sometimes from a *gasp* conservative perspective) . I'm also intrigued that the remaining creative staff on V even includes at least one person who served in uniform- a Marine vet like myself.
I agree that it was totally on-the-mark. When they made the reference to National Health Care I had to laugh.
That might be my new litmus test. If "New Republic" hates it – hey I might like it! Same goes for those anachronisms also know as "Time" and "Newsweek" and the other *hate rags*.
I agree with the poster who thought the pilot was deadly dull (the political comparisons were fun, though). Perhaps it will get better. Or perhaps it just won't ever appeal to me.
And a word of caution for everyone excited about the political/ideological "message:" recall how well "Battlestar Galactica" started out and how badly it ended.
Only if they're afraid of beautiful, brainy, conservative women!
He might notice there were no black V. Uh oh
We should all e-mail him and tell him. It'll make him feel even more icky. How fun!
The joke was the way I translated his argument from subtext to reality
I dig Elizabeth Mitchell from Lost, who is a lead in the show.
It probably won't take long if they follow the NEA and the WH dictim. If it changes, I will quit watching. I've stopped watching a lot of network TV because of their adoration of the won, and liberal ideology.
A second hour would have been appreciated, but there was dancing to be done. I persoanlly cannot wait to see how this plays out. I thoruoghly enjoyed the pilot and hope to be wowed even more in upcoming episodes.
BTW, side note, mini-Firefly reunion (producer of Chuck, enter Adam Baldwin) would have sent my leg a-tingling, but Alan Tudyk is dead, so no tingly for me.
They'll (current administration) probably march them (anyone responsible for putting this on broadcast television) right out in the yard and shoot them.
I'm not sure there was an agenda in replacing Peters. ABC has only ever planned to air four episodes of this show in 2009. The rest won't air until March, after the Olympics. They actually shut down production for a time after the four episodes were produced. Maybe Peters made commitments during the downtime that wouldn't allow him to stay on.
Yes……..and I liked it too. Nice job James.
Sounds like a total copy of the Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734684/
Let me guess. The aliens conduct all of their business according to a book titled, To Serve Man. The earthlings think the aliens have arrived to raise the level of man's existence on the planet. But then, too late, it is discovered that the alien book is a cookbook.
I've seen it before. I doubt if this show will top the original Twilight Zone adventure.
An excellent show last night! Anybody checked to see if there is lizard skin under Barry's collar?
My guess is by the end the aliens will be defeated only to find out they were the good guys—this is abc.
I heard that Barry-O watched "V" last night instead of the election results!
I think Tudyk might be back a semi-regular (flashbacks?). That's how he's listed on the wikipedia page (which may or may not be accurate). But it's the kind of character that could make a return.
I can hardly wait to see it now the Lefties are all running around with their panties in a bunch. Besides, actually having an interesting and true to life depiction of the current administration might just save ABC's sagging into oblivion ratings. Look at the only right station (right wing I mean), Fox News and their ratings are soaring.
That reminds me so much of the Simpson's Halloween episode! How to Cook Humans, or was it How to Cook For Humans?
I don't recall any gobbledygook. She said "devotion." I was hoping she'd say "hope" or "change" but devotion seems okay. I just hope the change in producers doesn't wreck the show. It has such promise.
I laughed out loud. I'm really surprised that wasn't edited out. I hope they have the guts to keep it up.
Loved V. It was very timely to mention Universal Health Care. I got a big laugh out of that one.
i stumbled on this show without any prior knowledge let alone opinion. there was "nothing else on" so i watched…and was quite amused by it and current events with the whole Obama fiasco that is going on here in the states. but i doubted my own perceiption of the show…thinking it was just me (and not on ABC!). this article was great to see! i'm not alone…lol
oVama
This parody of Obama's administration is so direct, so affable, so true that it almost defies explanation! I think no one since George Bernard Shaw (the Unsocial Socialist) has anyone perfected the use of the dramatic script so perfectly for political satire. Kudos! I think enough of us saw this and loved it to make the network very leary of changing the tone as it seems they are want to do by changing directors.
Let's all write ABC and demand that they keep the original tone and trash any intent to political correctness or Obama correctness. No one really knows who Obama is. Wouldn't it be rich if he peeledback his face to reveal his true reptilian self at the next press conference. Not likely though.
Starring Richard "Jaws" Kiel from "The Spy Who Loved Me" as the alien
Thank You James Hudnall for an absolutely perfect article. That was hillarious and dead on accurate.
True. One thing even a leftist limousine liberal t.v. executive understands is $$$$$$$$$$$.
CNN is below measureable in ratings and conservative radio has been a $$$$$ machine for decades.
How long can CNN survive? How much money can MSNBC hemorrhage?
Man, the right wing nut-jobs seem to be getting ever further from reality all the time.
They characterize a move that had been "anticipated in Hollywood circles for weeks, since ABC and Warner Bros. TV made the joint decision to halt production on the series in order to get scripts in shape" as a "purging a political dissident from the show to make it more politically subservient"?
it seems everything is part of the grand conspiracy now.
Not true.
Morris Chestnut's character was a visitor.
And siding with the resistance.
Oh… but therefore he's not black.
Hmmm.
In the 'real world' he'd have every black liberal organization ignoring his plight as he's eviscerated by the whitest of liberals.
So he'd be the sci-fi version of Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice etc etc…
Well, it is Jonathan Chait. As author Peter Wood has pointed out, Chait is the man who more or less made it okay for the Left to spew invective at our former president in a public forum: in 2003, he came right out and wrote the words "I hate George W. Bush." As Wood argues, the dam may have been weakening, but it was conclusively broken after that article was published.
Once again..most missed the point of all of this…RATINGS! MONEY! All you conservatives watched! Of course, the show is an allegory..that's not the point. They WERE dying as a news outlet and network…now they have your money to rebuild…Diabolical! Got some news for ya..They read the same newspapers, watch and listen to various news..they know all about narratives even the conservative ones..yes, they might just put something together that is a conservative allegory to draw viewers other than their zombies.
Anybody have the over/under as to when the usual Senatorial suspects threaten to revoke ABC's FCC license?
No, he watched the other</i. documentary about himself.
"To Serve Man"
+1 reference
I don't see this doing well as a weekly series. It's more of a mini-series thing b/c you want as much smash/bam up front to get people hooked. The intensity get lost on a week to week basis.
Of course, the alien/human sex angle has yet to be explored. What earth man or woman will Anna chose to bless with her charms?
OTOH – looks like the sleeper cell aliens have been doing our women for a while now.
Hmmmmmmm….
No kidding. I would love to see good guys who are actually good guys and evil bad guys who aren't conflicted and misunderstood, just plain evil.
this coming from the same blog that was crying over Sesame Street poking fun at Pox- er, i mean Fox News.
hypocrites.
I especially liked how the reporter in the "V" premiere threw out all of his principles to land the interview with the Leader of the V. And then didn't ask any tough questions because he was ordered not to by the Leader. Art imitating life, especially life in the current White House. Can't wait for the next episode!
Agree on BSG. The first 3 seasons were some of the best television I've ever seen in any genre. At the end of season 3 and into season 4, when they decided they needed to "do" Iraq with the New Caprica storyline, things started to go off the rails and never got back on. By the end I'd stopped caring.
Is Glenn Beck replacing George W. Bush as "Blame Czar"? or is he just a Demi-Czar?
If they keep the vibe of the pilot, I'll gladly pay money to watch this show online! (I refuse to watch television in its current Maoist controlled state). I'm sure the Maoists will influence the show now that they notice too many parallels. Remember how the left hated the movie 300, because it hit to close to home with the bribed Senators and other traitorous douche bags?
Isn't this Earth: Final Conflict with a shorter name and eviler aliens?
except for that whole "brave and insightful part" and pretty much anything after it.
Rosenbaum's an encouraging choice. There's a number of worse choices they could've picked.
And to ABC's credit, their new pick for showrunner isn't known for being particularly PC (Scott Rosenbaum of "The Shield").
The show was amazing. Hopefully the next 3 episodes (before the hiatus) are already made and unadulterated. We'll see what happens in March though.
If they edited that out, they would have had to edit out a whole lot more. Interesting in the indoctrination of the youth/people that they are giving them blue coats, as opposed to the Nazi brown coats. Same intent though. If the ratings stay high, hopefully they will have the guts to continue. If they do, I'll keep watching. Can't wait to see what they throw in there next week!
Well if the left sees similarities in the plot of "V" and the current administration, then perhaps they should rethink their positions, not vilify a TV show. If the shoe fits…
Actually, the show was pretty good and basically stayed with the original storyline.
The babes are better and the Aliens sneakier, but the core of the show is and always has been:
"DON'T BELIEVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GIVING YOU FREE STUFF, BECAUSE THEY'LL EVENTUALLY TRY TO EAT YOU!!!!!"
No, it's a 'update' of the 1984 sci-f- mini-series V.
The fact that the Left are getting their collective panties in a twist over V proves, IMHO, that they realize the truth in the parallels between Obama and V. Otherwise, why would they assume this pertains to Obama?
Obama opponents, however – we clearly see the parallel.
Yeah hope seemed like the original word and it would've been a subtle reference to Pandora's Box – hope being the last "curse" of mankind.
Blue coats? Blue as in democrats?
Blue coats…blue states?
There are many reasons to change showrunners; cost overuns, etc. On a show as complex and expensive looking as "V," don't always assume it's political.
Methinks the Obamaworshiping MSM, Orcs and Trolls doth protest too much about this show. I wonder why that might be…Could it be because it hits a bit too close to the truth for them?
I would not be a bit surprised to see ABC screw this show up to please their Obamamessiah, which of course will mean that no one will watch it, just like no one is watching CNN or MSNBC or anything Obamafellating Hollywood is producing.
On the bright side Fox could pick up the rights for it after ABC dumps it. I am sure that they would have no problem with producing it the way it was intended to be, then they would have a big hit on their hands and they would be laughing all the way to the bank.
I know aren’t they? I mean clearly a government funded children’s show targeted at 2-5 yr. olds is virtually the same as a primetime private network show targeting the 10-40 yr. old demographic. And who’s to say that a lifetime of subtle negative programming would give these children a pre-disposition to hate Fox News later in life. Yeah right, like that would happen. Toddlers are smart enough to make up their own minds!
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date.
Well, you know in the original they actually wore orange/red jumpsuits. But now it's been changed to blue coats. The more you watch in the show, the more you notice.
I would like to remind everyone that "Anna" is fictional charecter
. There was also that awkward moment during the third commercial break when David Letterman got knocked up by one of the "Visitors".
Whenever the left goes more bonkers than normal you know that a home run has been hit. Take that to the bank for future reference.
Marxist, Alien-Reptile what's the difference?
" i think after the W/H gets finished with them it will be taken off the air. "
Naw, they'll just rework it so Obama saves the day.
I'm sure several "journalists" would have their Kent Brockman moments…
"I, for one, welcome our new Visitor overlords."
Haha, first these turds fact check an SNL skit then have a cow about a SciFi show. It must have hit to close to home especially since this show was an instant hit. The moron quoted in the article stated it was "unrealistic"…duh douchebag…it's called fiction! We know the one isn't going to eat us. He just plans on taxing us to death, killing us when we get old and forcing us to buying crappy made tin box cars. Though I do believe the Ragin Cajun Carville is a lizard.
Erica talked at the end that the "V's" best weapon was "devotion" as in blind devotion. The priest said early that first there is graditude, then worship and then devotion.
Thorien,
Earth: Final Conflict could be viewed as a descendant of the original "V."
I think this theme of "likeable aliens" trying to conquer and/or eat us keeps appearing because of how often Statism has infiltrated and ultimately destroyed real life free societies.
in case you missed it, your own author Stage Right was the one making a stink.
and as for a "lifetime of of subtle negative programming", most kids outgrow sesame street by the time they're five, and in the meantime they're probably not thinking about which cable news network they want to watch because they're too busy being TODDLERS. at least my father didn't try to indoctrinate me with conservative propaganda until i was at least in middle school.
still you guys have your space lizard TV show to keep you happy for now, and i guess i shouldn't be pissing in that bowl of cereal.
The secret manuscript title; "How to Serve Humankind." So Obamaesque . . .
[...] Big Hollywood: Left Lashes Out at ‘V’, Obama-Friendly ABC Purges Showrunner… Morena Baccarin plays Anna, one of the mysterious alien visitors in new ABC mini-series [...]
Actually, the Visitors seem bigger fans of Mien Kampf and The Communist Manifesto.
[...] [...]
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE 'V"! What an incredible series? About time…even if it is ABC…
Thanks for the chuckle:
"…so no tingly for me" = ROFL
Jamesb – definitely see it before left-wing outrage and fringe media bashing turn this into a vapid "lizard of the week" sci fi. The pilot was great.
Maybe HBO or Fox could take it over? Seems like ABC will have to ruin it. Oh, well–I intend to watch and enjoy the first few episodes. ABC will probably make it out that the reptiles are all from Wasilla.
Dennis Miller keeps calling Nanzi "reptilian"–heehee
Does anybody remember that this show with the exact same storyline aired in 1985?? Get a life liberals!
We love humans…
… they're delicious!
Is anyone else here wondering how the pilot got by ABC in the first place? How did it get past the pitching process where they present the idea to the network in hopes of getting money to produce it? When was it pitched, shot etc?
It just seems suspicious to me that ABC is so blatantly pro left and yet this show which seems to be taking a satirical shot at Obamania made it onto its airwaves. It's a long process and I wonder how no one at the network questioned it during that process.
You do realize this is a remake from 25 years ago. The left thinks this is a referrendum on Obama…it's actually disturbing them bc it is forcing them to see the similarities and it is hard for them to accept. They spent so much time blaming W., or Cheyney, or the GOP bad guy of the week that they have lost sight of what was happening.
Seems like a great show. They must be mind readers since the show is a repeat from 1983. A bit sensitive, but the 'silence the press' FOX connection is pretty funny. If you missed it it can also be found on http://www.ch131.com Good Article!
maybe ABC intended for Obamamania to blind everyone and just assumed we'd link it to the Bush admin.
oops! that Bush bashing is starting to back fire! That alien spokeswoman even looks like a photo-shopped Valerie Jarrett, doesn't she? Obama's circle is even more creepy than these aliens — I think we could trust man-eating reptiles more than Obama's administration –
Ok ABC listen up! The only reason "V" is making news and has a snowball's chance of turning into a decent series is because of the incredibly brilliant political allusions mentioned in James Hudnalls article above. If you take that away or water it down then you can kiss this series goodbye. It'll be just another p.o.s. ABC TV show and it won't go anywhere. And one more thing ABC…..you suck! Your breath smells like Obama's a$& !!
id rather have lizards running the world than the serpent pelosi
ObAnna vs. Meygn Kelly?
I'd watch that fight. It wouldn't matter if they were covered in jello or not.
It's always fun to watch the left hyperventailate like this. Mr. Chait is upset about one show. I just had to endure an entire week of tv saturated with progressive drivel, the worst being CSI: Miami's assault on the agricultural industry. The administration's war on FOX News, yet we have the other cable news networks, broadcast networks supplying the other side. The assault on conservative talk radio, yet the rest of the media is perfectly compliant. This is yet another example of an insecure ideology that cannot tolerate even the slightest bit of critisism or deviation from their message.
I would suggest he get pair but I learned that this is transengder awareness month and that might come off as mean-spirited.
The spouse and I kept turning to each other and laughing every time V nailed it. After the show, we said that any libs watching must have been having heart palpitations. If ABC decides to change the show in deference to the libs and Obama, then all we have to do is turn them off. But it'll be good while it lasts.
Enjoyed the show and got a laugh out of the WH thruths that were presented. I guess in the end the White House is like aliens from outer space. I have it on my DVR and it is my hope that Obama allows us to continue to watch it.
Seriously.
What these Obama-defenders don't seem to remember is that the original "V" was a parable about how the Nazis came to power. Now, Hollywood remakes the same story line (essentially) and the Left assumes that Obama must be the target.
News to the Left: "V" isn't targeting Obama. It's targeting Fascism. The fact that you confuse the two says something.
Actually if this one follows the original the Vs biggest supporters will be conservative Americans. The Vs promise to bring order and prosperity. It's a retelling of the Nazi's rise to power in postwar Germany. The political left forms the core of the resistance.
wow, there are some serious issues with many people posting on this site…lol. a bunch of paranoid right-wingers pretending they care about the course our nation is on…where were they during the past 8 years??? honestly!! bush will go down (fact!) as one of the worst presidents (bottom 5 atleast – and that's being generous). and a lot of nuts on this site would defend him, his failed presidency, and the last 8 years. It is PURE HIPOCRICY to fight tooth and nail against anyone (obama in this case) who tries to provide healthcare to the nation, end an illegal and COSTLY war, restore our position as a science and technology leader in the world stage, all while taking on a near-collapsing WORLD economy, a second (LEGAL) war, etc, etc. you nut jobs compared Obama to hitler who gassed 6M jews, disabled people, and other minorities. why would you compare obama to the mass-murderer, hitler?? – oh, because obama is trying to provide healthcare to ALL AMERICANS – makes sense, i guess…never mind that bush did little to help americans with that matter. to his credit, bush helped with healthcare…in africa.
obama SHOULD ignore FOX…just as bush did MSNBC…huh?? did you right wing nut jobs forgot about that episode during the bush admin, did you? – hypocrits! and ignoring is NOT CENSORSHIP!! especially when obama and the WH are well aware that FOX NEWS lies, misguides, and distorts facts. i don't blame bush for avoiding and calling out MSNBC. it was his right, not censorship. and btw, fox is no crusader for truth – it is a business with interests and drama attracts viewers – period.
why wasn't the right wing up in arms when bush went after MSNBC (2007-2008)?
what about the fake news they were pumping out of the WH though "packaged bits"?
what about the paid news journalist placed in the WH media to ask "friendly" questions?
what about censoring/pressuring gov't scientists' reports in order to hide their findings on the climate change?
what about the retributive outing of valerie plame becoz the WH did not like what her hubby had to say about the fake evidence given to justify the upcoming invasion of iraq?
what about the war in iraq…and wmds?
what about the draft-dodging?
what about the psycho vp?
what about the ignoring of afghanistan in order to conduct illegal war in iraq?
what about the perverbial middle finger given to the world in the words "you're with us or against us?"
what about the torture – i mean "enhanced inte…," no, call it what it is – don't spin it – torture?
what about the soldiers sent to iraq and left to find scraps of metal from garbage heaps to use as armor due to WH cockiness and poor planning of a war putting thousands of other peoples kids in mortal danger?
what about links to big oil, blackwater (xe – find out why they changed their name), haliburton (war industry needs war in order to prosper)?
what about the links between these war industry companies (blackwater/xe, haliburton) and the christian right (owners/founders) and the republican party and WH?
what about bush holding hands with and kissing his "brother" prince abdullah of saudi arabia who then turns out to be a business partner with the bushes? (look up this guy "little bush prince bandar" ambassador to the US from saudi arabia)
what about…damn, this is exhausting…
bottom line – obama is not perfect – but his heart is in the right place. this man stopped us from sinking into a recession!! right wing nut jobs are pissed because his guesstimation on how high unemployment numbers would get was off by 1-2 figures…honestly!!! how rediculous! the economy is on the up-swing and they will be damned if obama gets an ounce of credit. and to top it, they are not pissed at the guy who got us into this crazy mess with the economy, wars, debt, etc in the first place!!! that is what i call HYPOCRICY.
obama is hitler, mao, lenin (all killers with no interest in helping their people) because he is trying to provide healthcare to all, end wars, revive an ailing economy, etc. but those trying to stop him from doing any of that are heroes?? lol, right wingers are lost – i think they will look back decades from now and call this period the lost years or the wilderness. if only palin would come to their rescue!! nothing will be better for liberals than palin getting leadership status in the conservative base.
oh, sorry, and btw, the series means nothing as far as obama is concerned – it is a REMAKE, as in old concept. I'm a liberal and i love V, both 80's version and the new.
last thing for crazy right-wing nut jobs: communism, fascims, and nazism are different politial ideologies that are at times severely incompatible – read a book. obama cannot be a fascist and a communist at the same time you retarded geniuses (see what i mean). find something else to call him that makes sense instead of spewing hatred with words you don't understand the meaning of just coz you heard glen beck use the word during one of his nightly national group therapy sessions.
[...] for “Vendetta”? Chicago Tribune: ‘V’ aims at Obamamania Big Hollywood: Left Lashes Out at ‘V’, Obama-Friendly ABC Purges Showrunner… Gateway Pundit: “V” Television Series Mocks Obama Kool-Aid Drinkers and Dem’s Socialized [...]
Would you care to explain the difference between Fascism and Communism? Define what torture is? What the specifics were of when "Bush went after MSNBC"? I thought not. Our president wants to bring us an end to war, and provide healthcare to all and revive an ailing economy just like any other Statist you mentioned. The sad fact here is that you refuse to see where it leads, you also fail to see that The One's own staffers seem to be enamored with Chairman Mao or do you believe Ms Dunn is only joking?
This whole fiasco of the lefty loons even comparing the communist plot of a television show to the Opompous admininstration's policy for our nation is……is……hmmmmmm…..life imitating art? (or art imitating life?)
The clincher here is that the "strangers" are "pretty"……that part is completely fabricated.
The Obaminites as lizard people? That works and explains Rahm Emmanuel
I still will not watch the dinosaur networks.
This was a remake of the original series which made its debut in 1983. The story was the same and Reagan was in the white house. I don't remember any of the whining about the show that we are seeing today. Does the left not understand that Obama is NOT god?
Did you have the same outrage at the last administration who routinely planted reporters/ gay male prostitutes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon and arrested dissenters http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-07-2... ?
How many times did he come?
Except "Hope" is also part of "Hope and Change" … most likely why they changed it.
As always there is some truth in this… Art is imitating life, however, most of the comments I have read are quite myopic. The parallel doesn't stop at the current administration… it a partial glimpse into both sides of our system, and furthermore all of our world today… did you not see the espousing of globalism throughout this show, as with other prime time dramas today… Flash Forward is another. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not our govt. and the rest of the world are working toward a system of governance that has never been achieved before, and the cost of this is national sovereignty… Media in this day works to condition the minds, so that when actions happen… we are not shocked, but accepting of the change.
Obama will be whatever he will be, but rest assured that when the day comes you may not know the difference between ideologies… but you will wake up oppressed.
I loved the show and didnt see it as a strike against Obama. Its fiction people! If there are simalarities then maybe they are just in the minds of the Liberal Democrats who know they sold us a bunch of nonsense in 2012. BTW in NC were still waiting on the Hope & Change and the jobs. Jobless rates in my county are over 15% we sure could use those jobs about now.
[...] stuck me as very anti-government, anti-big brother. I was unaware of the fervor over it and the uprising at ABC for daring to show it. Just take a peak at this [...]
Gee, a tall, thing, attractive, exotic-looking leader appears out of the blue. . . .and offers us Universal Health Care.
This is obviously Science Fiction, it could never happen in real life. . .oops.
But at least it explains the Birth Certificate brouhaha (evil grin)
Hey, it's like that shirt says—I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job
Um… this is a remake from the 80's!!! It's not new. Me thinks people dost protest too much…
They killed Wash!
Exactly. If you see reality mirrored in this fantasy that is about a fascist takeover … well, maybe you have to examine what's really going on in our government a lot more closely.
So long as there is still a good v. bad dichotomy, I don't mind it if we have some characters that are conflicted. In fact, if set against the backdrop of a strong good v. evil theme, I think a moral realtivist or two would be OK. It would clearly show the follies of moral relativism.
"Yeah, the Vs want to eat us, but that's perfectly acceptable in their culture, so who are we to judge?"
Can you see some thing like being said in the line to the human-packing plant? Can you further see everyone else staring at the person like they've gone nuts. Maybe that person should be an enviro-weenie that thinks humanity should die to save the planet.
Conservative this. Liberal that. Why the hell can't we just watch a show and enjoy it or not enjoy it for what it is. When Republicans are the majority again, it will be conservatives lashing out. I'm on the left and I liked the show. It had some weak parts in the story but I enjoyed it. The whole thing with Anna telling the reporter that he had to ask snowball questions. Isn't that something that the left and the right does. Isn't it safe to say that if a conservative goes on Fox News they're going to get asked easy questions. Isn't it safe to say that if a liberal goes on MSNBC that they're going to get asked easy questions. And from what I remember, Bush wasn't ever asked any hard questions either. I swear, this is a nation of a buch of little, conservative and liberal, kvetching bitches.
How can the show "V" possibly be about Obama? The original miniseries ran in the late 70's early 80's……Does everything have to be about him?
Does Jayne get to take grenades?
Does anyone else remember "V" on tv back 20-30 years ago? I watched it all the time. This is not a new show. So if the Obama maniacs feel threatened, they are just paranoid. If the shoe fits…. haha
Fantastic response! Lots of younger folks won't get it!
Just a little correction. The original V was in the early 80's. And I totally agree with you. The original had the same theme and it came out when a Republican was the president. So I don't see what all the big issue is.
I haven't watched V but from all that I've read about it I'm kind of surprised that ABC would air something like this, given their complete adulation of obama. I'm wondering if they might not have an ulterior motive for doing this.
[...] Just after I wrote up my thoughts about the new V series, I found this article at BigHollywood.com. [...]
Several boxes, I hope…
I recently commented on how Hallow'een wasn't scary anymore, because I could deal appropriately with "slasher" types, and supernatural just doesn't get me, or me it…
But this? Its like my "Never underestimate stupid people in large groups…like legislatures…" writ large in spaceships and lizard people…
It is quite unsettling…which is what good storytelling is supposed to be…
This is amazing it ran on ABC – (obama's media). Good for them!!! The white house needs to see how Americans are seeing them and this does. Although it is aliens, many people nowadays feel like that is what we have in Washington. (BESIDES TONS OF CORRUPTION!!)
[...] series off to hiatus until the spring. Already, there are signs that someone is not happy with the finished product. Naturally, when a show debuts to huge ratings and mostly great reviews, the producer’s career [...]
Off the subject, but I love your screen name.
January.
The Congress is offering a proposition bet on this, but I'm waiting on a money line…
It is obvious from Rupert Murdoch's comments about News Corps bottom line and the viewship of V that we are witnessing a revolution. A transformation of media slant towards the more profitable side. We have been inundated with homosexuality, teenage – threesomes, political leftness, and other debaucheries that American's are starting to look for the more traditional values.
Dude…decaf…
I'm sure the writers and producers have all been scolded and told in no uncertain terms that this will not continue.
Don't expect these story lines going forward if the film's not already in the can.
Do expect future episodes to hint that it's really Dick Cheney under the leaders human skin suit.
I'm afraid they're gonna do the Cattlecar Galactica rope-a-dope.
And with a spiky piece of metal through the chest no less.
Damn, why is the leftwingnuts bloviate non-stop for pages and pages……sheesh! I've never seen one yet that can get their point accross in a few sentences [kind of like the 1,950 page House health care bill]. To paraphrase a line from "Burn Notice", "You know liberals, bunch of bitchy little girls". Ann Coulter was right whe she said "I'm more of a man than any liberal." The Democraps and Libtards get their panties in wad if you even sneeze on the wrong side of the line. I say give them all visas and send them over to Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Canada….anywhere they might be happier than the mean old USA. I can't stand the rat bastards! Have a nice day, it's almost the weekend.
I agree aharris, such a scene within a framework of good vs. evil might help to crack the cultural firewall of relativism that's been erected by our "betters".
Or alien goo for that matter.
They're going on break until March so they can FIX this thing. Coming in March! Another condescending network pukeathon! It's too late, you cute little ABC communards, the Fox has escaped!
Didn't he die in Serenity by impaling as well? I am detecting a trend.
LOL.
"I'll be needing them for Reevers."
They never do anything in private except subvert.
;^)
Seems like the far left is a little touchy about this doesn't it? Do they see themselves in this? Get a grip, it's a TV series for christs sake!
Well, Whimsey, I hope you are not a Professor and just an arrogant windbag and very easily intellectually led. Dull? Political ciphers? Anyone that thinks this was written about Obama as an indictment doesn't think much at all, nor did they ever watch (or understand) the original series. I wish you well with your excruciatingly dull and hopelessly closed mind.
Nope, but I suspect that the space under his collar is already occupied with marxist stooge.
TANSTAAFL
I discovered long ago that when some node of the left establishment goes on a accusation/blame tour…They are projecting.
The wOn and his tongue-flicking minions are busily gobbling up our economy and recycling it into the compost heap…So there's that bit of non-fiction.
…Especially ones with Inara's smooth skin.
Which ABC would release right after they release the lead up to 9/11 on DVD. Censorship is what ABC and the media is all about as it is the only way to protect the left's intent.
These comments are interesting. We are talking about a work of fiction and entertaiment, no more no less. Whether it pleases some individuals or not is irrelevant. I sense a large group of posters are here for political prposes, a pathetic attempt to influence weaker minds. No matter.
The only way that this series can die a quick death is to mimic what Torchwood and Flashforward tried, and make the series a showcase for Gay propaganda and training. Watch the viewers bail…
This same television show was on back in the 1970s with the same name. If any of these twits would have looked up info about the show they would have seen it was patterned after what Hitler did before WW II not what Obama is doing today but if the shoe fits….
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Methinks you really need to read some more source material about National Socialism. May I suggest a translation of Der Führer by Konrad Heiden as a good start?
Anyway, the political 'left' formed the core of a rivalry between competing statist socialist visions and it was pretty widely recognized that transitioning from loyal communist street-fighter to national socialist street-fighter was no big leap. That interchangeability was determined mostly through the success of propaganda campaigns and the shifting of socio-political fortunes rather than any real left right divide.
Heck, even in America the fascists of Europe were considered harbingers of the glorious future of "national concentration" of power embodied in the state that would usher in a new age of human greatness…That is until Joe Stalin branded the fascist brand of statism as being rightists after Unternehmen Barbarossa. The fascists were marginally more tolerant of Christians than the Commies after all so I guess they were more rightist. In the end those old-school third way progressives of the day hopped right in line with Moscow with nary a backward remembrance of the carving up of Poland into agreed upon spheres of influence at once praised Brest-Litovsk.
But who am I to try and convince you. Go forth and transcend your own understanding of the endemic false consciousness of the left-right political divide. Learn for yourself that human liberty is really a top-down political divide. It seems apparent to me that the producers of V understand this.
This show will be on a "break" until March. Comming in March! Another condescending network pukefest. Can't wait to see the pathetic attempts at damage control. Sorry, you cute little ABC Communards, the Fox has escaped!
Summary of "Omar":
"I have nothing to say so I'm going to repeat a bunch of moth-eaten liberal talking points about Bush and Cheney because it makes me feel good and so I don't have to think about Obama screwing up!"
It's curious that we hateful right-wingers are expressing mirth and concern regarding V and the peace-guy is expressing hate.
This show will be on a "break" until March. Comming in March! Another condescending network pukefest. Can't wait to see the pathetic attempts at damage control. Sorry ABC communards, but the Fox has escaped!
If they turn V into another Left wing propaganda piece, it will enjoy the ratings of all the other Left wing propaganda pieces offered up by the Networks. Do the executives at ABC really want to run themselves out of business so that they can be politically correct and please a fleeting Dear Leader and his Mao loving Czars? Well, the leftist executives at newpapers decided going out of business was a good thing to do for the cause. And all the leftist reporters who are now unemployed aren't sorry to be poor for the cause of political correctness. So I would guess the executives at ABC are willing to wreck a chance to create a popular show in order to go out of business.
I think it's ironic how eager "Conservatives" are to accuse people they don't agree with of being "Fascists", considering that Fascism is often classified as a radical Conservative political ideology.
On a side note, Obama wasn't a stranger who appeared out of nowhere, he was making news at least four years before the election, but none of you guys were paying attention back then.
The original V miniseries (1983) had the aliens acting in a very similar manner. Funny, I don't remember the Reagan administration or conservatives getting THEIR panties in a twist.
At least someone in Hollywood isn't in Chairman Obamao's pocket!
But you can spew all that nonsense and still be retarded, LOL
[...] series off to hiatus until the spring. Already, there are signs that someone is not happy with the finished product. Naturally, when a show debuts to huge ratings and mostly great reviews, the producer’s career [...]
Think again A.J.
Fascism was conceived by Mussolini -one of the most respected socialists in Europe back in the day- as a variation on international socialism (i.e. Communism). A rival, rather than a distinctly different variation that took into account national differences that played a part in determine the course of Socialism's implementation. Along those lines, Fascism replaces the outright seizing of the means of production with a more subtle, yet equally effective, control of the means of production. What's telling is that the original 'Progressives' loved fascism until Stalin declared Fascism to be rightist.
This article is spot on. I had some friends go into a meeting w/President Obama, but only the President came out, with an occasional burp. Plus he had been mentioning he was looking forward to "Chewing the fat" with his political enemies. I heard him say to Gov. Palin, "You look scrumptious this evening." And maybe I'm taking this out of context, but FoxNews reported that he was looking forward to having the Republican leadership for dinner. He definitely omitted the word "over."
This guy from New Republic sound like a real paranoid nut case. Wherever did he pick up the idea that a wacky science fiction movie was a parable about the President of the United States? Well, now we know where anyone else who thinks like that got the idea from. I've read this plot several dozen times — I started reading Robert A. Heinlein at age 9, and all kinds of other writers too. Yeah, yeah, the aliens come as friends and take over, or the aliens REALLY are friends, but the paranoid humans shoot them out of the sky and hunt them on the ground. V or E.T. When did the politics of a citizen-sovereign democratic republic degenerate to the point that a darn movie could remind anyone of real life? And when did every touchy-feely dissenter get to call themselves "left wing" anyway? REAL left wingers are as zealous about their Second Amendment rights as anyone on this site, and they fight for people who work for a living. If you're a parasite, you're not part of the working class. I heard someone refer to PETA as "left wing." Working families eat meat, when they can afford it.
[...] asleep at the switch in order for “V’s” thoughtcrimes to make it past the drawing board, but now that the Left has noticed, it’s time to crack down: Naturally, when a show debuts to huge ratings and mostly great reviews, the producer’s career is [...]
considering that Fascism is often classified as a radical Conservative political ideology.
…by people trying to demonize Conservatives. Convenient, isn't it?
It's to drown out any opposition and if you don't address each and every point they'll try to claim victory.
Oh, and if the talking points were debunked long ago, they'll still repeat them and ignore any debunking. The old "repeat a lie" technique.
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You know what? Has anyone watched the original "V" miniseries in the last few months? It was made waaaaaay before Obama became president, but there are a lot of things within it that speak to what's going on today. Is it any coincidence that (1) "V" was originally made as a Holocaust allegory and (2) a lot of the same things that foreshadowed the rise of Nazi Germany over 60 years ago are happening right now in THIS country?
Oh my… Did I just offend a leftist?
[...] – and apparently big supporters of Obama -, apparently don’t see this upside. There are rumours that they’ve attempted to put the man behind the early episodes “on the bench”, [...]
ITS JUST LIKE THE TWILIGHT EPISODE "TO SERVE MAN", ALIENS COME AND PROMISE US THINGS IN REUTRN FOR OUR DEVOTIONS AND THEM EAT US, POSSIBLY A FEAR, BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE DEPERATE FOR HEALCARE, WORLD PEACE AND WE ENCOURAGE BEING ATTRACTIVE.
ITS JUST LIKE THE TWILIGHT ZONE EPISODE "TO SERVE MAN", ALIENS COME AND PROMISE US THINGS IN REUTRN FOR OUR DEVOTIONS AND THEM EAT US, POSSIBLY A FEAR, BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE DEPERATE FOR HEALCARE, WORLD PEACE AND WE ENCOURAGE BEING ATTRACTIVE.
[...] what James Hudnall is writing on Big Hollywood about the new ABC series V is true, then I’m both happy and amazed. Amazed that a [...]
you do realize that this show is 25yrs old?
name a liberal you know (public figure – not annonymous bloggers) who has expressed being flustered by this show and it's implications………i'll wait…….
not at all – you just offended a teacher somewhere with your obvious lack of understanding of history, political ideological spectrum, common sense, etc, etc.
<WARNING – sarcasm ahead> remember how hitler tried to bring about universal healthcare to the masses coz he cared about them? remember how he tried to end an illegal war started by his predecessor? remember how the world loved him as he offered to cooperate with its hundreds of other countries and show them respect? remember how he prevented the depression from happening? remember how he tried to work with his political oponents (re: night of long knives)? what about his theory on eugenics and race purity – he was such a tolerant guy!!
but this obama guy is NUTZ!!! he plans on gassing millions of jews and other ethnic minorities. i heard he is planning on invading poland, bombing europe, annexing czech and slovakia, building crazy war machines. and even though he is half black and white – he believes in aryan supremacy.
<CAUTION – sarcasm over>
i hope that after reading that you realize how much of a hypocrite you are, how much you desperately need to reread you history, how offensive you are to jews who endured the holocaust by comparing their ordeal to a modern day situation whereby a president is trying to serve YOU and not himself – what will obama gain with his agenda based on serving the lowest of our citizenry.
<WARNING – sarcasm resuming>
now – that bush guy, that guy was the best our nation ever had!! remember how he did so much for average americans! remember how he pushed to raise minimum wage levels to help the poor? remember how he avoided using religion to cause division in a multi-cultural nation? remember how well he executed that legal iraq war? remember how other people's children had everything they needed including body armor to fight that war? remember how humble he was as a world leader – always presenting us in good light?
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
HYPOCRIT!!I &^@+*&^@*()!)(@#
point?
Fascism (Nazism) and Communism (Socialism): Extreme right-wingers seem to be using these terms interchangeably these days (thanks Glen Beck!) not realizing that it makes no sense whatsoever!
Fascism v. Communism
In a nutcase –
Fascism – extreme RIGHT ideology involving corporatism (industry/corporations set the rules/laws of the game), national unity over individualism, national or racial superiority (similar to Nazism), usually single party gov't, anti-capitalism, fascism ABHORS liberalism, communism, and individualism. pro-classism (the rich, the middle, and the poor – oh well). centralized gov't., requires a dictator (ruler for life – see roman history – people actually wanted and loved a dictator in times of trouble!!), darwinian (only the strong survive (hence the gassing of the disabled in germany and nazi eugenics and race supremacy), nothing may be done or said against the state
Communism – (perfected socialism) extreme LEFT ideology involving colectivism (the masses set the rules/laws of the game), classless (all people are equal), stateless (no one owns anything, yet everyone own everything), MINIMUM gov't (suprise!), equality amongst the masses, DEcentralized gov't (no single ruler – just a ceremonial figure head to send to the UN – lol),
read if you want some honesty (http://vivin.net/2009/09/28/communism-vs-fascism-...
Torture
Torture, according to the Geneva Conventions (of which the US is a signatory to) includes waterboarding specifically…next
Bush ignores MSNBC
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/19/perino-msnbc/
Obama
do you honestly believe that all of everyone in obama's administration is gonna believe in everything he does? they are individials free to think and believe in whatever the hell they want to believe in – it doen't mean obama believes in or subscribes in those views. if one of his staffer's beliefs are contradictory to his it means nothing other than that he is tolerant. name a person/friend/coworker who agrees with you on EVERYTHING……i'll wait……chances are that you and your wife/gf have some differences at home too!!! so what???
LOL, all forms of gov't and ideologies eventually end up oppressing the masses coz people are people! i'm liking your level of understanding of the scene…people are 'human' and greed eventually supersedes the mission. one taste of power puts ideology in the back seat!
LOL, i c a n ' t quit…..i'm dealing with serious insomnea – look at my time stamp!!! i'm still up!! i tried everyting – milk, working out, liquor, reading, sex….
sorry admin – please do not block me!!! i actually have valuable info and insights to share – i just got carried away
lol, insomnia sux!!!!!!!!!!
yeah – isnt it? you civil-rights-fighting, anti-equal-pay, anti-marriage-equality, anti-immigration-despite-the-fact-that-your-parents-are-immigrants, fighting conservatist???
imagine that!!! btw, oppress anyone recently?
read a book…better yet – learn a language – wtf are you talking about?????????????????? do you know you make no sense at all???????
what??? he isn't??? wtf!!!! i'm devastated!!!!!!!!!!!
And because it was a strike against Obama, the producer was demoted. So don't expect as many 'teachable moments' after the first 4 episodes.
That said, isn't this what the NEA was urged to do? Pick an issue and make 'art' to propagandize it? When the tables are turned on these communists they don't like it.
I wonder if anyone has thought about it THAT WAY!?????
HT to me for this concept.
(I am referring to the fact that Beck exposed the plot where the government is working with the National Endowment for the Arts to create political propaganda in the form of art, music, theatre, etc… and now they don't like it that someone actually did! Because you see, there had to be some way to get through to the dumb joe six packs and morons who think Obama is doing things to 'help' anyone other than his utopian global elitists at the UN)
Wrong. This is the whole point. Obama is not only not perfect, he has an evil heart. Just look who he is working for! Rockefeller, Kissinger, Brzezinski, Soros, OH MY! Soros is a Nazi symphathizer who funds the party. And how do you pretend to help people when you are going to fine them for not buying insurance? What about the CER panels that were hidden in the stimulus bill? And what about all the wackaloons that surround you with their wacky forced sterilization and health rationing ideas, and worse, ADULATION OF A MASS MURDERER LIKE CHAIRMAN MAO? The free market is nonsense? Excuse me…
Obama has been outed, pure and simple, to even the most naive. Hopefully this piece of 'art' known as 'V' will be the political propaganda that puts it all into perspective for the masses.
Isn't this just what the Obama admin told the NEA members to do? Use art to get a message across? And now they don't like it!!!!! Sweeet!
After all they were just doing what the WH told the NEA to do! Use ART to get your points across. Well done!
But he can be a totalitarian monster, taking the worst from each of those ideologies, which he wasted no time in doing!
WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, right?
kissinger? really? lol, no comment…
on healthcare requirement: why is it mandatory for you to have auto insurance in your state? so don't burden others when you mess up…apply that same logic to the healthcare mandate and getting sick.
on healthcare rationing: if you don't think insurance companies already ration healthcare then you're nuts. ask a doctor who they must get permission from to carry out certain procedures. i'd rather the gov't ration healthcare than the private industry. reason: profits. look up how much the ceo of united health makes off the sick. compare the overhead costs/profits of private vs. public healthcare.
on mao: do you think obama agrees with EVERYTHING all his hundreds of aids believe in? seriously?
forced sterilization and obama?? i'll wait for your explanation. listing inflamatory tthings without explaining them is just silly.
on free market. what are you talking about??? that's a conservative tenant, not a liberal one.
lol, comparing life in totalitarian regimes to america today is just silly and hyperbolic. i lived in a country with a dictator (kenya, 1980s). you have no idea what FEAR is until you do. if you can come on here and express your contempt for obama/his policies, protest in public, call him names, vote him out, etc, etc. then you know nothing of totalitarianism. stop being such a whiner!!
when i was in kenya back then as a researcher, public discourse was a no-no, people went missing regularly after saying something about the ruling party, children were encouraged to out their parents if they spoke against the president, every home/business was required to hang up a picture of the president, all money was printed with a pic of the pres, he ran unopposed every "election" and always "won" 98% of the votes, public killings by police were the norm, social re-education, torture, public floggings, routine police searches, "pass books" to travel internally, bribes, etc
DO YOU KNOW WHAT TOTALITARIANSM IS??!?!?
you think obama is a totalitarian? i think you're a softie little whimp. visit a country with one and whitness the FEAR in the masses – that will shut down your tendancy to use hyperbole.
what??? lol. both of your sentences make no sense. use facts and logic to argue, not assumptions and generalizations. have you ever takent a debate course or witnessed a reak one? obviously not.
try again – this time with some facts, logic, and effort…i'll wait….
@omar: You are obviously not very well read or very intelligent are you?
I do not have auto insurance… and it is not mandatory in my state which is NH.
My healthcare has never been rationed.
The fact that his czars who advise him believe in MAOist principles, which include the use of FORCE to manage society, tells me a LOT about this man. I think you should check out this page before you act like you are ignorant of these things that have been in the news for months now. The inflammatory things are things these monsters have said they believed THEMSELVES. This is the scary part, we don't HAVE to make this stuff up!
http://www.zombietime.com/john_holdren/
As for free markets, this is what freedom and our country was based on. As for anti-free markets, that's what Hitler, Pol Pot, Chavez, Castro, Guevara, Stalin, Lenin, and MAO are all for….. all tyrants, all murderers. Is that the best you can do for us?
And now to educate you on Kissinger, one of the white supremacist elitsts that Obama works for: (he gave him his first job, why are you so surprised? Don't you get who these people are and what they are working towards? Well these quotes should give you a clue…..
When Obama was elected, two reporters stood on the floor of the NYSE and interviewed Kissinger… whereupon he said of Obama:
"…His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America, in this period, when really, a New World Order can be created…it's a great opportunity, it isn't such a crisis. — Henry Kissinger, from the floor of the NYSE in January of 2009 responding to a question about what Obama's task should be in light of the upheavals overseas and financial crisis at home.
…and
"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
– Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France in 1991
"bloviate," nice word – let me guess (acurately too!), was that O'Riley's word of the day about 3 months ago?? LOL!!!!! didn't know i watch Faux News also did you?? lol, i saw that episode too – gotta know my opponents' source material before jumping in the ring with them. question is, have you done YOUR research as well?
now that we've established where you're getting your talking points let's discuss your point…can't – it's all manufactured talking points hijacked from Faux News so there's no point in having a discusion with you. As Frank said, "Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it.”
list some concepts/ideas, supporting evidence and facts, and a conclusion then we can have a civil and logial exchange. damn! i'm i the only one who went to school on this site??? why is it that several right-wingers (and a few lefties) don't know how to hold a civil and logical exchange of ideas based on facts, supporting evidence, and order??? there is no room for feelings and opinons unless logic and reason is applied!!!
truth hurtz – your heroes, bush and cheyne, are technically war criminals according to internaltional laws to which the US is a signatory. just coz they are americans, no one will go after them, although a prosecutor from the ICC did try to subpoena them. i think spain did too earlier this year.
america rulez!!!! we're the best, so international laws don't apply to us!!!
They are the facts. I've seen plenty of witless parrots like you come into many blog comments and forums spewing the same thing over and over and over. You are following the same pattern as before. No facts, just (long debunked) talking points and no logic, just evasions and "no, YOU are the one who can't debate" counter-accusations like your response here.
Oh, and I forgot to add one other motivation those like you have for posting the way you do: a need for attention. Judging from your barrage of responses, that possibility is definitely one reason why you bothered to come here.
I saw the trailer for the revamped V earlier this year and immediately found myself thinking of Obama, the left media and the Jonestown-like Obama fanatics. The similarities were amazingly parallel. Of course I was told that I was reading too much into it (because who would imagine ABC allowing that to slip through?) but it turns out I wasn't insane. Others saw the same things in V that I did.
[...] course, here come the Obama comparisons. (Maybe they’re right. I’ve seen him drink water before.) Funny thing is, both sides [...]
If the V do as good a job as Obama….let them take over….they can wipe out all you backward idiots while they are at it
Oh and about the healthcare thing I can't wait to see how the Republicans scare America into opposing a new healthcare system that actually works….American healthcare system ranked #37 one ahead of Slovenia 17 behind Ireland 16 behind England and 36 behind France. Do you really want the french to beat you by 36 places America ?
I hope they will continue with the story and not bow to the liberals like Obama does on his trips.
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