My Disturbing Michael Jackson Experience
by James HudnallI met Michael Jackson just once back in 1993. It was only months before he was first accused of sexually molesting then 13-year-old Jordy Chandler. Like a lot of people before that scandal, I was an admirer of his music. I grew up listening to the Jackson Five and later Michael Jackson’s solo efforts. I wasn’t a huge fan, but I bought most of his CDs.
Coincidentally, I was living in Encino, California in 1993. The Jackson family lived not far from me. I would see Joe Jackson at the supermarket or Randy at the car wash. But I never expected to meet Michael. About once a week I would go over the hill to Golden Apple Comics on Melrose. It was owned by a friend, the late Bill Liebowitz, and I also had a bunch of friends who worked there. They told me Michael was a big customer. He would go there with a group of kids and buy them whatever they wanted. He would often spend thousands on those days.
I asked one of my friends if Michael bought any comics for himself. He said sure. So I said what kind of books does he read? He said “Anything with kids in them.” I remember thinking: “Brrr!” at the time.
Sure, that could be innocent and all, but there were all those stories even then of Michael having kids with him all the time. Which is kind of odd for a grown man, but Michael Jackson was never known for being normal.
Everyone I know who knew him said he was a very nice guy, kind of quiet and he did a lot with charity. No one had a bad thing to say about him. But I did detect a certain reluctant vibe when discussing Michael with my friends at the store. They didn’t say why, but they felt he was weird. And this is from people who worked at a store on Melrose in L.A.
So one day I came in the store and one of my friends told me Jackson was in the store. And there he was, over by the comics rack. He had his arm around someone like he was on a date. That someone was Jordy Chandler.
I walked over to the long racks and pretended not to notice them. Jackson had his people with him including his driver. That driver was later a witness against Jackson in his trial.
Jackson was whispering in Jordy’s ear and they were acting totally like people on a date. It was not the kind of behavior a couple of straight guys do together. Then they went back in the store in the employee area and disappeared. They were gone for a half hour. I stuck around and talked to my friends, just shooting the breeze. I assumed Jackson left by the back door to avoid people. But Bill the owner asked me if I wanted to meet Michael Jackson, and I said, sure.
Jackson reappeared, and left the store. I went out there with Bill and he introduced me. Jordy had detached from Michael and went to the black SUV. I didn’t shake hands with Jackson, I only got to exchange pleasantries. But I noticed something, when I tried to look him in the eyes, he had this very evasive…almost crazed look. Like someone who had just committed a crime and didn’t want anyone to see them. It was weird.
I’ve met a lot of famous celebs and have never seen them as anything other than people. People who work in the entertainment industry, which I was doing at the time myself. So I’ve been very laid back in these encounters. So I know it was nothing I did that made him look at me like that. I thought, “Man, is he paranoid or what? Maybe he’s on something.”
After they took off, I went back in the store to buy some comics and I asked one of my friends what they were doing in the back room for so long. He said Michael and Jordy were in the bathroom for a half hour.
Yeah.
I said, huh? He said that’s not unusual for him.
Now, I don’t know what they did in there, but it was a small one-person bathroom. And I can only think of a couple reasons two people would go into a small bathroom together. One of the nice reasons is they were helping the other with their costumes. He wasn’t wearing anything that out of the ordinary. So that leaves the other two reasons, since we can assume Jordy is potty trained at 13. Sex or drugs.
When the story about the molestation broke a few months later, that pretty much made up my mind which reason it was.
A lot of people say Michael Jackson did not molest kids. Maybe not. But I have a hard time believing it.
Everyone I know, who worked with Michael had great things to say about him, so I suppose he wasn’t a bad person. But if you have followed his story closely, he was no saint either. He actively worked to insure his brothers would never succeed. He reneged on deals constantly and didn’t pay people he owed their money.
There will be a lot of stories coming out about him and his defenders will work hard to try to canonize him. But the truth is a lot more complex.







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What's a grown man like YOU doing reading Comic Books in the first place…? Brrrrr…indeed. Show just a modicum of respect for the dead.
Uh, he writes them, for starters…
great story…and very creepy
Just another slam against a man cuz he's black. Not. I dug every word of this article. I live in L.A. and the weird ones are truly, truly weird. Phil Spector comes to kind.
So many people stood in awe of MJ's money and fame, he met with and became friends with the same which enabled him to get away with doing pretty much anything, as they also have their secrets.. so I guess he wasn't as tormented, haunted and tortured as many say.. He could and did say no to people and got his revnege if they bothered him too much or were using him in something he didn't want to do.. There is great truth in your story brother.. Thanks
LOL…you're a tool! Get a clue before you make yourself look like a fool.
I'm a comic book writer. And with all the talk what a wonderful person he was, I think there's two sides to every story
He was black?
I'm assuming you weren't underage when you met him. Otherwise, the story would have been even more disturbing.
Yeah right. Michael Jackson, the billionaire with a sprawling ranch, God knows how many homes and plenty of cash to rent apartments and hotel rooms, and you want us to believe he stops off at a comics joint to use their bathroom to molest kids. Not very believable, man, not very believable.
Whew, your post goes well with another post here on Big Hollywood, where Lisa Marie Presley is quoted on her observations of Jackson. Definitely creepy.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/aholmes/2009/06...
Pedophiles are not known for their common sense.
"A lot of people say Michael Jackson did not molest kids. Maybe not. But I have a hard time believing it."
Regardless, this poor Jody kid was able to describe MJ's genitalia very well. If MJ didn't actually touch him he was at the very least inappropiate. A child can be damaged for life by this. trust me, I know.
Just because I love the art does NOT mean I admire the artist.
Lots of people get confused about that, and think that just because they like one thing about a person, they have to like and defend everything about that person.
He might have only "jacked-off" while the boy watched, but that's STILL child molestation! And damned sick!
I'm kind of surprised with a story like this to tell that you were not subpoenaed for the trial. Did you consider contacting the prosecutors in the case?
I wish more people were making this point.
I read a lot of comments along the lines of, "How could anyone like this creep?" If that is your impulse, please look into the lives of the authors on your bookshelf; the actors, directors, and producers who made your favorite films; and the musicians in your music collection.
The art stands and falls on its own.
What kind of people regularly witness a grown man and a child spending extended time in a single stall bathroom, and do nothing about it?
Apparently the same kind that hangout in Hollywood comic book stores.
Quite the paradise you've made for yourselves out there. City of Angels my ass.
dude…no normal male hangs out with kids exclusively.
and any adult that witnessed, facilitated, procured, etc., will be sharing the same ring in hell with jackson.
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Bringing young boys in for comic books…. damn, and the media flap right now over this so called "STAR"…. A pedophile that had a ranch a NEVERLAND RANCH…. I know this story is about James meeting him and such but, every story I have read has had a little sadness attached to it…. I just cannot feel for a person that preyed on young children or boys….
I am happy for the children that will never get hurt ever again by this PEDOPHILE
why didn't you call the police?!?!
hello!!!!!!!!
That story was creepy!
Of course, if he did not molest that boy, he is still a creep.
This is a creepy, 16 year-old, one-sided, unverifiable story best left in your memory. You couldn't have known then the name of any child Michael Jackson was with, but it sure is luridly sensational to claim it in this pathetic grab at fame at the expense of a dead man.
The story is unfit for this site.
Neverland ranch and buying comic books for young boys……this man (so called man) was adored by millions and he molested children….. sorry state of affairs in this world; But this country is even worse any SO CALLED NEWS MEDIUMS have had NO OTHER STORY on there headlines today over a PEDOPHILE!!!!!
I feel better in one sense…. he will never molest another young boy ever again!!!!
Because this was before the story came out about him molesting the kid. I only had a suspicion at that point. Not enough to call the cops on since the kid seemed to be enjoying himself.. The trial of Jackson was a lawsuit, not a criminal case. I would have been happy to testify, but I would have had to drag in all those people I knew at the store. They might have hated me for that. As it was, Jackson got raked over the coals pretty bad so I wasn't needed.
I think Jackson seduced his victims. He gave them whatever they wanted for favors. A very old arrangement. I have not kept this story a secret however, I have posted it on my blog several times.
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I did, but when th trial was going on they seemed to have plenty of evidence. But they screwed up. Further, I would have had to involve my friends at the store, and the owner, and they would probably have hated me for that. I often think I should have got involved. But I was not even living in California when the trial started.
I did post this story on my blog back at that time, though. It was not a secret I kept. I told a lot of people.
I didn't see them go in. I saw them go in the back room. The bathroom was back there but a wall blocks you from seeing it in the front of the store. Reread the story.
Someone who worked there told me they went in teh bathroom and they did that often. This was after they had already left the store.
Yes!
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Well James, I thought it was a damn good story!
James – You're right to post this, regardless of what idiots like "Burrbank" think.
Uh, having either a hobby or a career, either way it's legitimate. I still read comics myself because my husband collects. They aren't my favorite thing to read, but I appreciate them for what they are – a soap opera wrapped in a different setting.
I don't expect any fame from this nor do I want it. I just feel it should be told because people need to know the truth
"They might have hated me for that." Do you hear yourself?
I don't know where to begin.
I'd like to call you and your friends complicit pussies and leave it at that.
In fact, I think I will.
To clear up some confusion some people are having with this story: I did not know who Jordy Chandler was at the time. I did not know how old he was. He looked like he could have been 15 or so to me. I also didn't know at the time what we all "know" now, because this was before any molestation charges ever surfaced against Michael. So I had no reason to think that is what he was up to. I just got the feeling he was after the events of that day. When the molestation charges broke, it solidified my suspicions.
But at the time, I had no reason to react as some people thought I should have. I mean, Jackson was a weird guy who acted like a kid. He had a lot of people fooled into accepting such strange behavior with a shrug. It wasn't until after all the stories came out that people started being creeped out by him. Until that point he was just Michael.
One night in the mid-ninety's, say a week before Christmas, I was wheeling a heavy can of trash on a dolly out to the dumpsters. It was at a business establishment, bicycle shop, at a busy strip mall. The dumpsters were behind a pair of CLOSED heavy steel doors, and I was just going through the drill, trying to get home. I set the can down and I guess it made enough noise to get the attention of the occupants of the DARKENED dumpster room, because out came a dude with a little girl. There was no reason for anyone to be in there, it was 9:30 p.m., cold, the room stunk and the guy was in a real hurry to get away. I still feel bad about not informing the proper people in quick step, but it's been years and needless to say I still regret it….
Damn. Fascinating story, James. Never mind the h8ters. They're probably members of MJ's fan club and are pissed that they were never invited for a sleep over at Neverland.
Why is it so hard to believe? Where exactly were Hugh Grant and Eddie Murphy when they picked up prostitutes? It sure wasn't on Rodeo Drive.
I didn't need to read that. Ugh.
Right. James is going to ride this story all the way to the top! He'll be a big star. Lots of money. And the chicks. Man, the chicks.
What's an anonymous commenter like YOU doing opining on a medium you obviously know nothing about?
Well, formerly black.
ew….creepy. And ultimately, very unfortunate for the victim(s). God only knows what manner of things went on behind closed doors and at that Ranch, too.
Yep. Hudnall made it all up. Like Mark Furhman.
But it makes total sense that your expectations of Jackson's social logic would be enough to call Hudnall a liar.
Whatever. I don't call the cops on people with no evidence. Read my next comment. You obviously don't understand the situation as it happened.
P.S. I feel Jackson was damned as it is. is life only got worse, kind of like OJ's. KArma does happen to some people.
Yeah, that's for sure.
Neverland always seemed like nothing more than a lure to brings kids into his home. I always wondered why any parent would let their kids go there.
Kind of like Charlie Manson’s Spahn Ranch but different?
That parents could allow the lure of celebrity to cloud their minds to the truth about Jackson is tragic. I was always under the impression that MJ was a major wierdo, and the thought of letting my boys stay over at his place would have given me the willies. But stupid is as stupid does.
LOL! Ooh, yeah, tell me more about those child molesters, James! By the way, your biceps are HUGE!
He looks weird too!
This has convinced me you are not the antichrist. You should do an ETA and touch on it. That should save you from the occasional "DUDE WTF" email in the long run.
It contains crucial points and deserves much more than a buried reply. The site layout is very unkind to subcomments.
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Your story may raise awareness for someone who witnesses a similar situation.
Good story James. Life is all about choices – and MJ made his.
To the question "If Jackson did not have all this fame – would people still be defending him?" I think the answer is obvious.
I think personal stories are good.
What the mainstream newsmedia is going to give us is nothing more than generalizations pre-screened for the newsworthiness (read shock value).
It's entirely possible that what you suspect happened in the bathroom, did. But, since the only people who know for sure are the boy and the dead, we'll never get to the truth.
I think personal stories, like yours, are extremely limited in scope, but nonetheless valid as a snapshot, a glimpse into an event of person's life. That's all. But it's all we really have, since the news media and the 'official' stories cannot be trusted to be impartial in any way. So, I'd rather hear personal stories than the so-called official story.
The problem is, with the magnitude of MJ's fame, we are going to be assaulted by an avalanche of personal 'first hand' accounts of interactions with the superstar. Truth and fact, if we were ever to learn them, will be lost faster than Scott of the Antarctic.
We can expect to be hearing all sorts of claims ranging from 'he did this to me' to 'I'm the actual father to his children' to 'I met Michael and he promised me..'
Oh, it's going to be a mess. I don't envy those children.
James only saw them head into the back. He didn't see them actually enter the bathroom. As James said, he thought they had left through the back door.
It's circumstantial at best. A good defense lawyer would destroy James' credibility and make the testimony worthless.
Not to mention the possible of his being sued for "false arrest"
i have to agree with the one guy who called this story BS because why in gods name would a guy who had hundreds of millions of dollars and mansions and a freakin amusment park bring a kid to a crappy comic book store and into a small toilet to molest him?
You say it was Jordy, so he obviously would not have needed to impress him or trap him by getting him into the story..
I believe Jackson was a pedophile but I think that this story is very unbelieveable and probably 110% made up by some guy who wants to make a name for his blog
It is possible that the risk was part of the thrill. A lot of "normal couples" get kicks out of different places and risks… a little hanky panky in public arenas etc.
If it did happen, then the owners of the store are accomplices and should be brought to justice. Perhaps they were getting money from Jackson? Why else would they not at least confront him and refuse to allow him access to the restroom together?! Maybe they are perbs themselves. A great cover for pedo's.. a comic book store where children are likely to gather????
asshole…lay off the dead man will you. Jordan Chandler just said that his father forced him to lie!
Your a scum bag for posting this now, poor timing. Secondly, If michael Jackson was in a comic book store there is no way you would have been able to get near him, he would have had the place closed off, he never went anywhere in public where regular people could just walk up to him. So you are lying
He did write that he assumed MJ and kid had left through the back way, not an uncommon thing for megacelebrities to do. It wasn't until they came back out to the front that he realized something was "off".
dont forget the car… chicks dig the car…
One thing is for sure, MJ had his life displayed before him last week and was judged for it.
James Hudnall–I remember your comic "Harsh Realm" which was excellent.
Very weird encounter with MJ.
"If michael Jackson was in a comic book store there is no way you would have been able to get near him"
eltie-you don't live in LA, do you?
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This is ridiculous. Why on earth would the most famous man in the world use the backroom of a comic book store to have sex with a child??? Its too obsurd to think a man with as much intelligence as MJ would be that stupid.
By the way, let's all observe a moment of silence for this great man, while we grab our crotch. . . . Get a grip, folks. This man had issues.
And please tell us WHY Michael Jackson was even interested in meeting you? Doubtful story…conveniently published AFTER his death. Get a life and stop trying to capitalize off of this poor man.
If the police had ANY evidence at all of child molestation they would have arrested him…..BUT they didn't.
Sorry, but it sounds like a total fantasy…yours.
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I gather his court case was a SHAME as well? plus, I gather that the payoff was a OMISSION of guilt?
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AAAH .. where were you after OJ committed his acts…. you fucking idiot.
I have always given MJ the benefit of the doubt about the whole molestation thing. But I'm interested in where I can read details on his actively working against his brothers success, and also not paying people? Thanks.
I used to think he was a pedophile until I read this story written in GQ magazine. Jordy Chandler's father was quite obviously after the money.Period.
http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html
Pedophiles are serial molestors, they do not stop at one or two victims. Why over all the years of MJ having kids around him ONLY two ever made suspect claims ? No other kid ever came forward and many defended him as never doing anything out of line with them. Both these cases were about MONEY only. He settled out of court with Chandler because his attorneys and insurance carrier thought it best, they worried that the conservative, white middle class jury in Santa Barabara might not render a just verdict.
I believe you are either lying or wrong, why – well so many people have always stood by him including many many stars – if your allegations were true then they would have run a mile. He was naive and foolish but if he really wanted to do what you suggest, would a public comic store be the best location? you are a sad fraud.
idiot
bwahahhahahahhaha, really a idiot?
I doubt it. He'd already written that Lex Luthor book years earlier, for one thing!
As Oscar Wilde said, "The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple."
Stepping in your sandals, I understand your rational about not reporting. But as a social worker I'd like to clear some things up and hopefully people will learn from this.
If you have reasonable suspicion abuse or neglect (say, by the kids parents!), you can make an ANONYMOUS call to the DCFS (in every phone book under child abuse hotline). You talk to a social worker and it's in their discretion whether what you relay constitutes abuse & if they will investigate it…you'll never be contacted again. Mandated reporters, like therapists, can not remain anonymous.
You're right, it's not okay for a 30-some year old man to be locking himself in a bathroom (on repeated occasions?) with a 13 yr old boy…unless say, it's a custodian of the child (and unless the boy is severely disabled , that in itself is inappropriate). It would have been best to have a third party initiate the investigation, instead of the creepy and apparently neglectful parents. Given the fact that they accepted a monetary settlement, the possibility of Jackson molesting the child can always be held in question.
(And yeah, innocent until proven guilty…)
Thanks for the post
correction:
"If you have reasonable suspicion (of) abuse or neglect"
Also, if you are a citizen witnessing abusive or neglectful treatment of a child…try to ascertain the child/perpetrators names if possible and any other identifying info (licence plates, home address, school/teacher's name) . This will be needed by the social worker. And again you will remain anonymous.
Get a life!
why are people so stupid? A pedophile has numerous victims over years (once they start, they can't stop)
there has only been 2 claims out of hundreds of children Michael got to know over the span of like 30 years
it is obvious that they were after $$
it is sad that it only takes 2 people to destroy the career of a musical genius.
Now I know you are full of sh*t. You didn't see no Jordie Chandler or MJ. You are a liar. I saw a video of Jordie Chandler on youtube sitting on MJ's lap at the World Music Awards and he looked very young (with his little SISTER who also sat on MJ's lap, haters like to ignore this fact). He could have passed for a 9 to 10 year old boy. Even in Maureen Orth's criminally biased article (she tries to pass off the fact that the father demanded 20 million dollars that MJ refused to pay before going to the police as normal behavior) she claims that Jordie Chandler looked very young for his age. No way anyone could think he was 15 years old. You made this sh*t up to attract readers.
Another example of the way you guys are so blinded in your hated for MJ you can't even see the obvious. What type of parent would bring their kid over to sleep in the bed of a man who already had a history of settling child molestation lawsuit out court for millions of dollars? The ones hoping to win the lottery by making similar accusations. This is a no brainer. There is a ton of evidence pointing toward MJ's innocence. There is a strong possibility that MJ did not molest Jordie Chandler or Gavin Arvizo because their parents were hoping to hit the jack-pot. Haters just love to assume MJ is guilty, ignore all the evidence in the cases just because they get a sick gratification out of believing kids were molested despite strong evidence to the contrary. There is no water to wash those parents clean, they were either extortionists/con-artists (most likely due to their behavior) or pimps (another possiblity that haters never consider because they act like they're the accusers lawyers).
what a load of rubbish! Have any of you read redemption by geraldine hughes or conspiracy by aphrodite jones. In 2005 tom mesereau had witnesses to testify that Jordan had lied for his father and he had told them so. Look at mjeol 2 community for that video. If this guy above thought anything was going on really he would have rung the police. Total Balony!
another story made up by one person jealous of him..
first how could he buy without people mobbed him or paparazzi chasing him to get one picture !
and MICHAEL NEVER LIVE IN ELCINO AT THE TIME ..HE LIVE AT NEVERLAND HE MOVED THERE SINCE 1987 TO 2003
god.. ! ur so stupiD…if u hate him keep it yourself dOnt pake story that are'nt real…
god ! he is not pedo..your story was very obviously ,,,,MADE UP ! GROW UP SIZZY !
Another titillating "experience" story revealed long after the fact. Why didn't you and your comic book selling friends come forward and tell your story to the cops when you had the chance? God knows the DA (and the media) were scouring the Earth looking for anything incriminating. The Press was even paying people to talk so you could have made a few bucks in the process while doing your duty as a (ahem) law abiding citizen outraged at the thought of children being seduced and abused. Of course the same question applies to the Chandlers — speaking of creepy people. Your kid says he's been molested and you call a lawyer BEFORE you call the cops?
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