‘Empire Strikes Back’ Director Irvin Kershner Dead at 87
by HollywoodlandHere’s a link to the AP story. Not much there, unfortunately. You’ll get a better feel for the man through this terrific Vanity Fair interview that ran just last month in honor of the thirtieth anniversary of “The Empire Strikes Back,” the best of the “Star Wars” film and quite possibly the greatest sequel ever made:
One of the biggest surprises in the book is that, in 1980, you had to convince interviewers you were not just following George’s direction. Obviously no one thinks that today. What was the biggest argument you and George had over a particular scene?
There was really only one disagreement. It was the Carbon Freeze scene when Princess Leia says, “I love you.” Han Solo’s response in the script was, “I love you, too.” I shot the line and it just didn’t seem right for the character of Han Solo. So we worked on the scene on the set. We kept trying different things and couldn’t get the right line. We were into the lunch break and I said to Harrison try it again and just do whatever comes to mind. That is when Harrison said the line, “I know.” After the take, I said to my assistant director, David Tomblin, “It’s a wrap.” David looked at me in disbelief and said something like, “Hold on, we just went to overtime. You’re not happy with that, are you?” And I said, yes, it’s the perfect Han Solo remark, and so we went to lunch. George saw the first cut and said, “Wait a minute, wait a minute. That’s not the line in the script.” I said ““I love you, too’ was not Han Solo.” Han Solo was a rebel. George felt that the audience would laugh. And I said, that’s wonderful, he is probably going to his death for all they know. We sat in the room and he thought about it. He then asked me, “Did you shoot the line in the script?” I said yes. So we agreed that we would do two preview screenings once the film was cut and set to music with the line in and then with the line out. At the first preview in San Francisco, the house broke up after Han Solo said I know. When the film was over, people came up and said that is the most wonderful line and it worked. So George decided not to have the second screening.
George was the best producer I ever worked with. He left me alone and only came to England a few times. I told George at one point that I was behind schedule, not that it was anyone’s fault, but because it was so complex. Many of the special effects that were done on set often did not work at all. His answer was, “Keep doing what you are doing. Just keep shooting.” This was the greatest thing for a director to hear from a producer.
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So sad. I watched ESB yesterday on Spike TV for the millionth time.
Kershner's contributions to the Star Wars universe are legendary.
He will be missed.
He really did make the greatest Star Wars. This has proven to be a sad weekend for film making with Nielsen and Kershner's loss.
He should have done the last 3. Maybe they'd be watchable.
First Leslie Neilsen, now Mr. Kershner, arguably the director of the best film in the Star Wars franchise is gone. I know that they say these things happen in threes, just figured there would be more time between them.
Wow. I watched "Airplane!" & the original "Ransom" over the Thanksgiving weekend, as well as "Empire." I would have never known that both Kershner & Nielsen would be dead by Monday. RIP to two great talents.
Between the "love" story in the prequels & Han Solo originally having supposed to just say "I love you, too," one wonders if George Lucas has ever spoken to a woman in real life.
Absolutely the best sequel EVER, best reveal ever too….
I remember the entire (sold out, standing room only) theater gasped in utter shock and disbelief at "No, I am your father….."
Hell, I get goosebumps just writing that line….
I saw it 3 times the first 2 days it was out. Back when cinemas only had one BIG screen. Still holds up as one of the greatest space operas ever and I agree with the other posters in that Kershner could have saved the franchise from it's creator.
Maybe you should watch something Matt Damon in it…..
Got that right. George showed what a hack he really was with the new trilogy. That, and making a bad call by hiring his writer from Indiana Jones Chronicles. Seriously, that second movie had some of the worst dialogue I have ever seen in a major big-budget film.
Sad. And more proof that Lucas has a tin ear for dialog.
Sad news.
If anyone hasn't read the new book "The Making of The Empire Strikes Back", go read it. It's an amazing piece of cinematic history, and you get a real sense of just how deep this man was.
Sad news.
If anyone hasn't read the new book "The Making of The Empire Strikes Back", go read it. It's an amazing piece of cinematic history, and you get a real sense of just how deep this man was.
Dangit, "Oceans 11" was on over the weekend & I didn't watch it! Clooney, Roberts, Damon – target rich enviroment.
A New Hope was much better.
Kersh is the man. He also directed another famous sci-fi sequel, "RoboCop 2." RC2 had lost its original director, Tim Hunter, in the middle of preproduction, and Orion needed someone to come in and get the film made in a quick and no-nonsense way — despite the fact that the movie's script was being continually rewritten. Thanks to Kersh, RC2 turned out, despite its many flaws, to be a really fun action-adventure flick. It remains a cinematic guilty pleasure of mine.
Kersh is the man. He also directed another famous sci-fi sequel, "RoboCop 2." RC2 had lost its original director, Tim Hunter, in the middle of preproduction, and Orion needed someone to come in and get the film made in a quick and no-nonsense way — despite the fact that the movie's script was being continually rewritten. Thanks to Kersh, RC2 turned out, despite its many flaws, to be a really fun action-adventure flick. It remains a cinematic guilty pleasure of mine.
Kersh is the man. He also directed another famous sci-fi sequel, "RoboCop 2." RC2 had lost its original director, Tim Hunter, in the middle of preproduction, and Orion needed someone to come in and get the film made in a quick and no-nonsense way — despite the fact that the movie's script was being continually rewritten. Thanks to Kersh, RC2 turned out, despite its many flaws, to be a really fun action-adventure flick. It remains a cinematic guilty pleasure of mine.
Like Harrison Ford said during the filming of "Star Wars": "You can write this $hit, George, but you sure can't say it."
Like Harrison Ford said during the filming of "Star Wars": "You can write this $hit, George, but you sure can't say it."
don't forget Kershner also did the soggy remake of 'Thunderball'- the awful 'Never Say Never Again'…
Not sure just how much to blame Kersh for that; Jack Schwartzman was a fraud who lied to everyone- misprepresented the funds available- and ended up doing Connery's swan song as an elevated 'B' film.
But for the most part Kershner's work was fairly pedestrian. Lucas gave him a great script ( for a change!!) and
he produced his career work…
Given most of the dialogue, I'm wondering if George has ever really spoken to anyone in real life.
In all seriousness, many Star Wars fans think that the movies work just as well, if not better, if viewed as a "silent" movie – no dialogue, just the sound effects & John Williams's fantastic score.
"But for the most part Kershner's work was fairly pedestrian. Lucas gave him a great script ( for a change!!) and
he produced his career work… "
Ah, but Lucas didn't give him a great script. Lucas gave Lawrence Kasdan a great story & he turned it into a great script.
While I like "The Empire Strikes Back", I can't agree with the statement that it's the greatest sequel ever made. My vote is for "The Godfather, Part II".
Is there anyone in the history of movie soundtracks better than John Effin Williams??
no.
I saw Attack Of the Clones on Spike this weekend. My only beef with the whole Star Wars thing, is, at least to my knowledge, nobody ever explained why the force was so out of balance it needed Darth Vader to put it back. And put it back to what? Seemed to me like everything was fine until Palpatine showed up. Vader didn't seem to balance that out.
Having said all that, without these great movies, we would never have had all of the great spoofs on You Tube, the one with Vader mocking Luke for acting like a baby somewhere in the guts of cloud city being my personal favorite. Still chuckling after all these years.
I saw Attack Of the Clones on Spike this weekend. My only beef with the whole Star Wars thing, is, at least to my knowledge, nobody ever explained why the force was so out of balance it needed Darth Vader to put it back. And put it back to what? Seemed to me like everything was fine until Palpatine showed up. Vader didn't seem to balance that out.
Having said all that, without these great movies, we would never have had all of the great spoofs on You Tube, the one with Vader mocking Luke for acting like a baby somewhere in the guts of cloud city being my personal favorite. Still chuckling after all these years.
The casting was awful too. Whoever he put in charge of that should be flogged. Hayden Christiansen was weak, Natalie Portman is a fine actress if she's in a hipster movie about self-loathing, and all the CGI ruined everything.
They wasted Liam Neesen.
There's just too much to bash in the 3 latest movies, maybe they could start a thread about that….
The casting was awful too. Whoever he put in charge of that should be flogged. Hayden Christiansen was weak, Natalie Portman is a fine actress if she's in a hipster movie about self-loathing, and all the CGI ruined everything.
They wasted Liam Neesen.
There's just too much to bash in the 3 latest movies, maybe they could start a thread about that….
G-D right….
LOL! Good one! I remember reading that and Harrison got that right. He hasn't gotten much right recently (Calista Flockhart!? WTH!), but he did get that right.
When it comes to the prequels and how bad they were in the dialogue department, I remind people that the first ones didn't always have great dialogue either. Except that perhaps we don't notice it as much because we've watched them so often they just flow, or the actors were better. Or a little bit of both.
Have you seen the John Williams Tribute?
http://youtu.be/lk5_OSsawz4
John Williams is The Man!!
Erich Wolfgang Korngold, Elmer Bernstein, and Jerry Goldsmith were no slouches.
Well, that's because Lucas hadn't really thought the whole thing out. Frankly, the prequels were pointless. I shy away from prequels because they are usually just there to make money off of a franchise. The story of Vader was told already, and we were given what we needed to know in the first 3 films. Then George decided that the story was really Vader's story and not Luke's which was BOVINE FECES. He started off Star Wars as a traditional mythological story with all the mythological elements in it (see Joseph Campbell). I've also read some early drafts of the story and it has nothing to do with Vader.
He made that up to make money, his head got so big that he thought he could do it himself. He sacrificed story for technology and it bombed. Perhaps the Revenge of the Sith was the most poignant, but it was junk.
Having "Ani" meet his future wife when he was so young was bloody creepy. Ani was whiney and nothing about him wanted me to root for him at all. His fall into darkness was due to whinyness. Too easy instead of being a real struggle. He was a mama's boy! Vader was nothing but a mama's boy! Seriously? The biggest bad@ss in the galaxy!?
No, just no.
So the plot hole re the "balance" is deliberate in the sense that Lucas had no idea where he was going with it. He overexplained the Force and it lost it's mystique – I mean "midichlorians"? Really?
RIP. Thank you for Empire. One of the best sequels EVER!
No they sure aren't, but they don't hold a candle to John Williams IMHO.
What an hilarious photo.
RIP Irvin and thanks for the memories.
That is absolutely brilliant!!
I also think the first 3 were much more reliant on the story. Not so much with the latest trilogy….
Midichlorians??
Way to ruin the myth of the force George Lucas…..
I respectfully disagree. Although I like a lot of Williams' music (Jaws is my favorite), I think the names I mentioned are better. I'd also add Miklos Rozsa and Dmitri Tiomkin.
Never heard of them, but you're entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is…
Kid, I kid!!!
Never heard of Rozsa, but Tiomkin was a pretty good composer. But John Williams is the best.
That's okay. I'm still smiling because of the Bears victory over the Eagles yesterday.
Wow you really know how to kick a guy when he's down….
The Force was out of balance – it was all Light Side. Then Anakin came along & swung it back in the other direction. But that would still make it out of balance. Hell, who knows what the deuce Lucas was thinking. He clearly lost his mind during the filming of "Jedi."
The Force was out of balance – it was all Light Side. Then Anakin came along & swung it back in the other direction. But that would still make it out of balance. Hell, who knows what the deuce Lucas was thinking. He clearly lost his mind during the filming of "Jedi."
Isnt it though?! LOL Moosebutter is the group that originally did it. They agreed to let that Corey person do the vid though…
Oops. Didn't know you were an Eagles fan. If it's any consolation, I probably won't be smiling later on in the season when the Bears have to take on the Patriots and the Jets.
re: Calista Flockhart = I KNOW, right?! Especially when I had admired him so much for not going for the usual Hollywood starlet. When he showed up on the Today show to play footsie with Perky Katie and her little shoe-balancing act, I knew he'd gone down the Dark Path…
re: Calista Flockhart = I KNOW, right?! Especially when I had admired him so much for not going for the usual Hollywood starlet. When he showed up on the Today show to play footsie with Perky Katie and her little shoe-balancing act, I knew he'd gone down the Dark Path…
re: Calista Flockhart = I KNOW, right?! Especially when I had admired him so much for not going for the usual Hollywood starlet. When he showed up on the Today show to play footsie with Perky Katie and her little shoe-balancing act, I knew he'd gone down the Dark Path…
I'll bet if you looked back through the history of the movies you would find that most of the biggest money makers were film makers who knew what they liked and didn't like and didn't need or even want audience confirmation of their creative decisions before they released a film. And I'll bet that not going with their gut feeling and instead turning to preview audiences for the last word has ruined many a film not only creatively but at the box office. Just my take.
Your comments are so much win, I want to award you a bucketload of thumbs-up!
And being an Eagles fan I have to hate the Patriots, so I'll be rooting for the Bears on that day….
And being an Eagles fan I have to hate the Patriots, so I'll be rooting for the Bears on that day….
Part of it was the tone of the earlier movies. One of the things that made Star Wars different was the seemingly natural, casual behavior and speech of the characters. That, along with the "lived-in" look of the SW universe, helped us suspend disbelief. The goofy dialog seemed to fit because for the most part the characters weren't saying anything important. They were having adventures.
Later trilogy – all that was gone. They were all stuff and pretense and exposition. You could tell Lucas believed he was making Important Movies about Big Issues. Yuck.
Part of it was the tone of the earlier movies. One of the things that made Star Wars different was the seemingly natural, casual behavior and speech of the characters. That, along with the "lived-in" look of the SW universe, helped us suspend disbelief. The goofy dialog seemed to fit because for the most part the characters weren't saying anything important. They were having adventures.
Later trilogy – all that was gone. They were all stuff and pretense and exposition. You could tell Lucas believed he was making Important Movies about Big Issues. Yuck.
Part of it was the tone of the earlier movies. One of the things that made Star Wars different was the seemingly natural, casual behavior and speech of the characters. That, along with the "lived-in" look of the SW universe, helped us suspend disbelief. The goofy dialog seemed to fit because for the most part the characters weren't saying anything important. They were having adventures.
Later trilogy – all that was gone. They were all stuff and pretense and exposition. You could tell Lucas believed he was making Important Movies about Big Issues. Yuck.
So true. Liam Neeson is fantastic in manly-heroic mode (Rob Roy! Taken!) and they put him in a Star Wars movie and didn´t know what to do with him. They wasted Samuel L. Jackson, too. They even wasted Yoda, for crying out loud.
Yes. Empire is also the best looking Star Wars movie, thanks to Director of Photography Peter Suschitzky. And it has the best music score, a wonderful expansion of the previous masterpiece.
One of the reasons I liked the first 3 so much was that it was part magic. The Force wasn't something you could properly explain, it just was.
Then he ham-handedly explained it all away with micro-organisms in one's blood. That has to be the single most stupid thing Lucas did to ruin the mystery of the Star Wars universe. I think he got extremely lucky with the first 3 and he let that success cloud his judgement in regards to good story telling.
Without the good story and a decent script, he took the lame way out by drowning everything in CGI. But even THAT wasn't good enough, he had to go back and "enhance" the original trilogy.
HAN SHOT FIRST DAMNIT!!!!!!!
There have been many great movie composers over the last 80 years but Williams is certainly among the best. I used to listen to the twin CD sets of Star Wars and Empire and the music is so intricate and gorgeous, you can replay the movie in your mind almost scene for scene.
And then they killed off a bad guy that had the potential to be a badass for the rest of the trilogy. Darth Maul was one cool Mothereffer.
just a complete mess, all 3 of the new ones….
I would hazard to guess that that is probably what has happened too. Films done by committee now …
"I am NOT a committee!!"
(sorry, I couldnt resist)
Many years ago I bought the complete Star Wars music anthology on CD. This was way before the craptastic "prequels" came out. It's not just music, it takes you for a ride.
Every now and then I pop them in the CD player in my car and picture myself a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away…..
those Dark Side cookies must be reeeeal good.
They are all magnificient. I´d also mention Bernard Herrmann.
But I think we owe John Williams for the comeback of the symphonic music score in the late 1970s and 1980s. It was the popularity of the Jaws and Star Wars music that did it.
Sadly, it seems to be almost a lost art. We are getting fewer and fewer memorable scores and more and more generic electronic pounding.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
If you had to sum up the suckiness of the new trilogy with one word it would have to be "Midichlorians". Even if "Jar Jar" counted as one word.
I got a chance to see "Kersh" in person at Star Wars Celebration IV about 2 or 3 years ago. He was still sharp as a tack with very vivid memories of making Empire. The Star Wars Community mourns the loss of one of its elder statesmen.
Oh, exactly. It's overexplanation.
I know in the Harry Potter series when the backstory came out during Prisoner of Azkabahn about Harry's father and his friends, everyone thought it was so cool and there were calls of prequels and such. And Rowling said no. HP is a contained story and the story has been told and you know enough of the backstory to understand the HP story up to and through it's conclusion. You don't need anything else. At least she understands that and I hope she never gets seduced by the dark side to do otherwise. Do NOT dilute the franchise!
Notice how that word disappeared in the next 2? I wonder if he kept a straight face while writing it….
Exactly! In the original trilogy the Force seemed such a wonderful mystical thing and you just accepted it. You suspended your disbelief. But the whole micro-organism thing.
You know what just popped into mind – Lucas is likely an atheist. And The Force in the original had sort of a religious undertone to it. Very reverant. And by describing it has something to do with biology, just took the mystical out of it, and made it all "scientificallly explained" and therefore no longer mystical.
AND YES, HAN FRICKIN SHOT FIRST! Ooh, that really makes my blood boil, just like the change in E.T. I'm glad I have the original E.T. on video so I don't have the revisionist crap. That and the change in the Disney Aladdin in the beginning song. I HATE PC!
Exactly! In the original trilogy the Force seemed such a wonderful mystical thing and you just accepted it. You suspended your disbelief. But the whole micro-organism thing.
You know what just popped into mind – Lucas is likely an atheist. And The Force in the original had sort of a religious undertone to it. Very reverant. And by describing it has something to do with biology, just took the mystical out of it, and made it all "scientificallly explained" and therefore no longer mystical.
AND YES, HAN FRICKIN SHOT FIRST! Ooh, that really makes my blood boil, just like the change in E.T. I'm glad I have the original E.T. on video so I don't have the revisionist crap. That and the change in the Disney Aladdin in the beginning song. I HATE PC!
In all liklihood, george lucas just didnt know what he was writing as he was writing it.
But….You have to remember there is no actual garuntee that Vader was this "chosen one". It could have just as easily of been luke, who cleans house, but as you'll discover if you read the books for 7-9, missed 1 dark jedi. Meaning balance, at least until leia discovers her power.
On that note, I highly reccomend those books. They are MUCH better written than the movies for 1-3.
I'll make a prediction. When the HP story is finished. I'll give them 3 years before they start with the prequels….
There is going to be too much money on the table for some studio to just leave it be….
Diluting the franchise. That's exactly what the Star Wars prequels did. The original trilogy was a self-contained story arc. It had a beginning and an ending that satisfied everything. There was no need for the prequels. But money (and Lucas' ego IMHO) eventually won out.
I'll make a prediction. When the HP story is finished. I'll give them 3 years before they start with the prequels….
There is going to be too much money on the table for some studio to just leave it be….
Diluting the franchise. That's exactly what the Star Wars prequels did. The original trilogy was a self-contained story arc. It had a beginning and an ending that satisfied everything. There was no need for the prequels. But money (and Lucas' ego IMHO) eventually won out.
Now on that, what really cheesed me off was the phantom menace, having anakin born from an immaculate conception, and implying he is some sorta "chosen one".
Only george lucas would think its okay to make darth vader into jesus.
Aw, thanks! I'm a big Star Wars fan and I was so disappoinated in the prequels. I had some hope, but they were dashed with the first film.
BINGO! He had no clue. He started a thought and never finished it.
I've heard that they are an even more evil version of Girl Scouts' Thin Mints.
I've heard that they are an even more evil version of Girl Scouts' Thin Mints.
When they rereleased the original trilogy years ago about 15 of us went to go see A New Hope. When they showed Greedo shooting first, half the theater yelled WTF!?!?!?!
And when I saw the PC version of ET I turned it off as soon as they cut "penis breath". Just ridiculous….
Lucas probably has an alter devoted to himself that he worships…..
Yeah, that was just weird. And again, pointless if you weren't going to explore it fully. There were so many plot holes in those prequels you could drive the Death Star through them with room to spare.
Well, I'm going to keep my faith in Rowling. She seems pretty determined to leave HP behind. And I'm not sure what kind of rights she gave up to have the movies done so perhaps it's protected in that way – no one else can do it without her permission. Certainly, she doesn't need the money. She's the richest fiction author in history!
And that series was really her baby so I hope she has the sense not to give in if it ever pops up.
Well, I think the only thing that she is working on is an HP Encyclopedia which is fine as it was her idea. But hopefully she stands her ground otherwise.
Yeah, I was NOT happy. It had been years since any of us had seen it on the big screen and it was horrible.
They cut that from ET? WTH? I mean, I'm not advocating the use of that language or anything [ ;-D ] but seriously? Uugh.
Lucas burned up a lot of the good will he earned with the first 3 movies. I doubt many filmgoers trust him to tell a good story anymore.
She seems like a pretty sharp person. Maybe she knows that gouging people with watered down prequels will ruin her legacy.
I didnt get too attached to darth maul. Good design, but he needed a story. Besides if im gonna blame them for anything, i got one name for you – Jar Jar Binks.
The yoda fight scenes were the only good thing in the first three movies.
I watched Forbidden Planet on Saturday. Strange.
Looking back at Return of the Jedi, I could see Jar Jar Binks coming. Ewoks?? Really?? Little teddy bears taking out imperial stormtroopers??
Lucas probably thought he would appeal to kids with Ewoks and that disaster Jar Jar Binks, all he did was cheapen the franchise.
Not really, they were all CGI, you might as well watch Tom and Jerry…..
Of course he ignored it. He wrote himself into a corner – if Midichlorians can be detected with a little gadget, any idiot can find out who´s a Sith. Even a Jedi as written by George Lucas.
Yup. I wouldn't trust him to direct a commercial.
She does seem pretty sharp with her feet still on the ground. As much as I love the HP universe, I hope she sticks to her guns.
What was your reaction to that "revelation"? I can tell you that when Liam Neeson pulled out little gadget and started explaining what midichlorians were I busted out laughing. The rest of the prequels were jokes to me after that.
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