Chelsea Handler to Angie Harmon: ‘You’re the Only Republican in this Room’
by Hollywoodland——
Best stuff can be found between :55 and 2:30 when Angie Harmon talks about her politics and then goes on to inform Handler that she has two Republicans working for her who are afraid to say so.
Always some truth in good humor.
The biggest surprise comes a little later when we learn Angie Harmon — Angie Harmon! — almost packed up the acting gig and moved to Texas because she couldn’t find a job in Hollywood. Crazy.
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Golden Age of Law & Order was when both she and Fred Thompson starred.
So much going on with this clip. It seems that there's a real sea change going on in the conservative world, really embracing homosexuality and shelving the whole issue of gay marriage. It'll be interesting to see if there'll be any red-on-red schism over the subject once election season really heats up.
I also love how Handler is just totally un-apologetic about making her employees afraid to contradict her politics. And that condescending perma-smirk! Nobody besides Tavis Smiley & Conan O'Brien knows how to give a good interview these days.
"It seems that there's a real sea change going on in the conservative world, really embracing homosexuality and shelving the whole issue of gay marriage."
Overall, I think this is a good change for our time. I personally have nothing but love and respect for gay, lesbian and bisexual Americans (except when members of any group straight or gay parade their private sexual tastes in public), and really don't care if gay marriage gets passed at this point. Right now the right and the Republican party needs to focus on being the party of strong defense, less government nanny-state, lower and more efficient taxation and constitutionalism.
"You should tell your gay friends that are Republicans to wake the f*** up" If Chelsea Handler was being honest her comment would've gone something like this: "You should tell your gay friends that are Republicans to go back to sleep, so us Democrats can continue to lull them into secular progessive socialism, along w/ the rest of the country"!
No Chelsea, she is the only one with big enough balls to ADMIT that she is a republican. Big difference there girl! Wait til November people… After this interview, I have decided that it is time to tune into Angie's new show and support her.
OK, I don't waste money on cable, most everything worth watching is on broadcast or available on the internet. Two questions:
1. Who is she?
2. has she exceeded her 15 minutes?
OK, let's make it three questions, If this low level crapola is on cable, why can't they bring back that kid from 15 years ago who was trying to do the Carson show in his basement?
That made me grin.
Chelsea was right. Angie does look good!
See, sometimes I agree with her.
If the whole gay marriage debate is a states' rights issue, as has been generally held by conservatives, then why the need for a schism? It seems to me that we keep responding, in pavlovian style, to the Left's assertion of moral superiority by apologizing for those who don't march in lockstep with the notion that the gay lifestyle is in parity with hetero relations. It also seems to escape notice that there are gays on the Left and Right who argue against gay marriage.
As for me, I don't apologize for my position and it's only the least rational on the other side of the issue who call me phobic, hateful or bigoted; a replacement of noise for reasoned argument. But, at the same time, I recognize, as I think we all recognize, that the greatest and most immediate moral hazard is the looming possibility of a tyrannical state and the loss of our national character. In light of that, I do have a certain irritation with people who want to expand federal power into the area of marriage, which runs counter the Christian social-political concept of subsidiary or sphere sovereignty (familiar to those versed in the history of Christian/Western political thought). Let it be an issue hashed out at the state level.
How awesome is Angie Harmon? Hot bod, great personality, smart, etc. I love how she admits she doesn't work out all summer and loves the vodka. If more actors were so down-to-earth, I might actually like them.
This new series, "Rizzoli & Isles" is really good and seems to get better every week. Sasha Alexander of "NCIS" fame is her costar and still a knockout. The next great series is "Covert Affairs."
Yes, destroying the importance of marriage, that a father and mother aren't really important and accepting the selfish desires of a few over the good of the many, through courts and public policies at schools and against churches, is such an embracing and wonderful thing. And if anyone disagrees, they are HATE and should be sent to re-education camps.
Give Chelsea another five years and a little more bitterness and she's Joy Behar.
I said I didn't care if gay marriage passes, not that I'm either for it or against it. Nor did I say courts should decide if it's passed or not. The people of each state should decide, and if they want it, they get it, if they don't, they don't.
Perhaps the sea change, is our return to God? Which has yet to play out, after all, the last 40 years of public schools & universities have been an indoctrination of Atheism, Communism, and doubt about the founding of America… so your and my previous view of homosexuality as a cool open equal same as no big deal loving caring CHOICE lifestyle has hit its critical mass. I suppose you think we'll go Roman… I am praying, we get back to Christianity, to Judaism, and fight the Atheist parasites who claim they fought for our freedom… yah right, how many Atheists are there in foxholes? Much less caring a bayonet less musket up against the most powerful gunpowder army known throughout the world?
I once spotted Angie Harmon at an event for the troops, and she's every bit as stunning in real-life. Had I been traffic, I would've stopped.
GREAT voice too. She's got that smoky Demi Moore thing going on but without having to carry around that big goitre looking that that resembles the doofus from The 70s Show.
Harmon is also a terrific actress. Absurd she had trouble finding work. Glad she landed on her feet.
I love Angie!!! She is great. Rizzoli and Isles is a smart and cute crime drama. Glad to see she stood up for what she believes, and can articulate her views with a sense of Humor. :0)
That was another show I took out of my rotation when she became too political. Pity. But, I love and admire Angie Harmon.
Gay Republicans need to wake the **** up and learn to enjoy high taxes and inferior healthcare.
If by "hashed out at the state level," you mean by the VOTERS of each state, no problem. A majority of Deep Blue California's voters voted to keep state recognition of marriage for heterosexual unions only.
The "States rights" deception is substituting the rulings of courts to "find" a homosexual marriage right which doesn't exist in any written constitution, or in the cultural history of any nation.
Chelsea Handler…….Who is …..never mind that , I really don't care. How the hell does she get air time? Typical ignorant liberal. She is so far behind the times, she seemed shocked that gays could be Republican. Hey Chelsea…..guess what, there are black republicans too…really there are, really………………puhleeeeezzzz!
Hmmm….
Now why would a drop-dead gorgeous actress with gams like Angie's have difficulty finding steady work in Hollywood? Look at her next to the talentless hack who gets to host her own progam.
Chelsea who?
Rumor has it, Angie was discovered by David Hasselhoff. While working as a flight attendant on a flight he was on, he encouraged her to move to Hollywood and pursue acting.
Easily the Hoff's best contribution to Hollywood, IMHO.
Who are you talking about? Ms. Harmon or Ms. Handler?
If the who were talking about is Ms. Harmon, she is a actress with several b level hits and is married to former NFLer Jason Seahorn.
If the who is Ms. Handler, she is a alleged comic, a slightly less funnier (make that a lot less funnier) Kathy Griffen, not that the original is that funny either.
She was sleeping with one of the bosses at Comcast. So now we know what Keith Olbermann has to do to keep his job when his contract is up.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that in countries where gay marriage is legal the average gay marriage lasts 1.7 years. gtfoh.
The only surprise is that there are still so many marxist around.
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Look, I love Angie Harmon, but I'm a little sick of the "ZOMG!!! I'm conservative, but I'm not THAT conservative" shtick that some of these guys like to pull.
I'm conservative, I like gay people, and I still don't want the definition of marriage altered to accommodate same sex couplings.
I think you can take it as a given that I meant voters, based on the context of what I said. You have to make some leaps of inference otherwise.
I'm long past being astonished at the extent of the unexamined "givens" in so many liberals' constructs of the world.
Tavis Smiley? Are you drunk on vodka?
Geez, Chelsey was shooting daggers at her with her eyes. Feminists truly hate conservative women. When you've run out of false niceties, go back to saying "I can't believe how good you look."
That's a hell of a reason to tune into a show, because of someone's politics. I saw the show once. Once.
The best shows are on cable. Mad Men and Breaking Bad are absolutely awesome. And what I like most about cable is that a season is about thirteen weeks, which makes the writing concentrated and intense, and story-driven. They don't leave much room for filler. It's all quality stuff, better than movies in some cases.
Welp… there's several minutes of my life I'll never get back. Was there a point?
No, you wouldn't. Most of them are down to earth, if you get an interview like that. Whether you liked them or not would still depend on their politics.
I know a gay Republican. One. The rest of the gays I know are Democrats. That's just how it is. The vast majority of blacks and gays are Democrats.
Guy's a shameless Obama water carrier, but have you ever watched his show? He has such a good interview style.
In reality, which does not consist of the alternate universe you live in, there are in fact very few Marxists around. What you hear from Glenn Beck and Breit Bart are not facts. They're out-and-out accusations. But in a country where free speech is free speech, we can crowd our airwaves with as many accusations as bandwidth will permit. Those too stupid to know better, and prefer their own bile, believe it.
Alric_IV you should stick to watching Jerry Springer then.
Yeah, I'm pretty ambivalent about it too. It's not gonna be the end of society if it happens, and it's not gonna turn America into a police state if it's prohibited. Getting rid of no-fault divorce would be a better move both symbolically and in terms of net cultural effect.
What the hell is wrong with you people? I just watched this segment and Chelsea was friendly and funny, giving Angie room to say whatever she wanted. Chelsea was in no way shooting daggers at her. The banter was funny and friendly, and, in Chelsea's case, self-effacing. It was all very light chitchat, just talk-show fluff to mostly promote Angie's show, and Angie participated in it with equal pleasure. What the hell is wrong with you people? You just love seeing nastiness where none exists, then you spew spite in response. I think you're all mentally ill. I bet you suck in real life, always looking for an excuse to politicize everything and then get nasty about it.
I don't have time to watch such nonsense. If you stopped being so willfully right-wing stupid, you'd be able to refrain from making such idiotic generalities. But if you visit sites like this to get a daily dose of bile, pejorative generalities are what you feast on.
Excellent point Hollywoodron.
Why are you here? So that you can enlighten us with your world view? I love how the only way a liberal can engage when being challenged is to personally attack. Keep up the good work, I am sure that you are making a world of difference.
And my father has been married 4 times. My uncle is on his 7th marriage. My husband and I have very close friends who are homosexuals. And oh my goodness! These two wonderful guys have been together for 10 years…can you believe that? Homosexuals in a monogamous lasting relationship…gasp!
WHAT IS YOUR POINT IN POSTING THIS COMMENT? If you are going to post this statistic, you need to be fair and post one concerning the divorce rates among heterosexual marriage. And I guarantee you, the numbers are not pretty.
Then you need to get around more……….."the times, they are a change'in". There not a vast majority by any means. But there are a lot out there. The MSM and other lib outlets would never report that honestly. Goes against their "down trodden minority" mentality.
"Getting rid of no-fault divorce would be a better move both symbolically and in terms of net cultural effect."
A very good idea. Certainly, it might also give couples reason to think before entering into a sacred union without thinking it through. We make promises too lightly, and break them just the same.
The vast majority of gays being Democrat is understandable (although I think you'll find it's now the "majority", as opposed to the "vast majority"): Traditionally, those on the political Right have been less tolerant of homosexuality (and that, too, is changing).
The vast majority of blacks being Democrats is because the vast majority of blacks have allowed themselves to be conned into believing that the Democrats actually care about them. Hilarious, I know, but true!
To: Alric_IV: Don't tell me ! Wait ! You don't own a TV set? Right? Am I right ?? Smug liberals always claim they don't "own" a TV. But they're really closet TV watchers…
You need to stop visiting sites like this. The vast majority of blacks and gays are Democrats. Those are the facts. If you look at the crowd at Beck's revival last weekend, you'd see how true it is. At least about race. Can't say about gayness, but you Tea Party rallies are sparse when it comes to blacks.
Yes it's true – there are, in fact, VERY few Marxists around (most people couldn't possibly be stupid enough to believe in a system that has failed on such an epic scale). In fact; not counting the Marxists that work in and for the White House, the NAACP, the Nation of Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Unions and there are almost none to be found at all!
Yeah. Unlike a lot of working class white people who believe conservatives care about them. Hilarious. Hell, they've even convinced them that liberals and unions are bad. Hard to believe, but there you have it.
I know two gay couples who met while they were in college. The two men have been together thirty years. One of them had two kids and they raised them. The other couple are lesbians, and they've been together for nearly forty years
When I responded to your comment it, it was only 17 minutes old. I suspect a rational argument like yours will get a lot of thumbs-downs.
Chelsea Handler literally slept with the boss – Ted Harbert, CEO of Comcast Entertainment, which owns E!, the network that airs Chelsea Lately.
That is how she got her own show.
The thing that bothers me about getting into gay marriage, from a conservative– or even religious– point of view is that I think it's been a diversion that has cost us culturally. Last time I checked the Ten Commandments didn't say anything about gay marriage, but it does have something to say about adultery. But no one seems to get as riled up about the Ashely Madison websites that actively promote cheating on your spouse. Where are the protests against that? If they're out there, I'm not seeing or hearing about it (other than a cheesy ad on the Fox network that gets no mention here or anywhere else that I can see). Seems to me that that is going to do more to destroy the nuclear family than some gay couple who want to pledge their monogamy to each other.
And even if gay marriage is legalized, no matter what the name, I don't think we're going to see flood of otherwise straight people deciding they need to experiment with the lifestyle and the gay community will remain the small portion of society they already are.
Why are we so hell bent on worrying about gay couples and not worrying about what's going on in our society that's already tearing the traditional family apart? It seems like the left is waving their hand in one direction to focus our attention on something that, in the grand scheme of things, isn't doing as much damage as the stuff we're not paying attention to.
"working class white people"
….way to play the race card!
Also, define "working class". Is that a measure of whether or not one does manual labor, or how many hours one spends working?
Here's another mouth-breather, embracing all of those pejorative generalities that puts it out of touch with reality. I love TV. Love it. I just steer away from dreck. It's a free country, which allows us to make intelligent choices. Try it. You might even learn a thing or two about real liberals. You'll find out that they're a far cry from that caricature you've gleefully embraced, so you can feel all self-righteous. I don't expect you to make an intelligent choice, because you love that nasty feeling running through you. You don't have any real values. You have a misdirected anger that your self-righteousness construes as values.
And I don't really expect you to comprehend what I just said. But it won't make it any less true.
Yeah, I've seen his show and I really can't stand his interview style. He never can seem to find the right words; stutters a lot, and the cadence of his speech is really irritating. Also, I think he's a light weight when it comes to debating ideas. This is really apparent in his interview of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. My opinion has nothing to do with his political loyalties. *add edit* I just realized that you might have been being sarcastic about Smiley and O'brien.
I never started the personal attack. Follow the thread. You started with the personal attacks. I merely said that it's a hell of a reason to watch a show, because of the politics of the star. Then you came up with the Springer argument. Hey, it's right there, for anybody and everybody to see. You're so angry you can't even see straight.
And that comment was even more generally stupid, with all of it's accusations and generalizations.
"Pilgrim Patriot." What a hoot.
It's worth noting that, in 2009, Harmon said the following about Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize: "“It's good! Congratulations…For anyone, that's a wonderful and huge honor, so fantastic.”
Here's the link to the interview: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/11/23/a...
Why would she say that? Obama doesn't even deserve a free soda, let alone the Nobel Peace Prize. Rather sad, I think…
The race card? By mentioning white people?
I think old "Pilgrim Patriot" just played the race card.
And it looks like I'm going to have to be more specific about my definition of "working class." What I really should have said was "labor," in all of its various forms. The people who aren't getting a fair share of the benefits from work, and are looked upon as merely resources to be used up. Management, on the other hand, gets better benefit packages, such as vacations and so on, along with bonuses. So, let me put it to you again: Republicans have tricked white labor into believing that they care about them, and that unions are bad. Unions are bad. For management.
Better?
Ah! The last refuge of the Leftist (in fact, the ONLY refuge): Avoid addressing the issue directly and just attempt ridicule.
Nice!……predictable, but nice!
Why would a drop-dead gorgeous actress have trouble finding work? Because you have to talent. Angie is good in that small-screen way, in that she's pleasing to look at but doesn't have a wide emotional range. She's very good in those Lifetime movies (I've seen at least two she was in, and one of them was "issue" oriented). Once she gets a little older, she's going to have a harder time finding roles. That's the nature of the beast.
You had a string of ridiculous accusations. There was nothing to address. I addressed it by saying what it was. It came straight out of the Limbaugh playbook. There aren't Marxists in the White House. That's just name-calling on your part, because to you, just being familiar with ideologies is as good as embracing them. Sure, there are maybe some socialists among them, as socialism is a legitimate policy in the left-right spectrum, and any reasonable person should expect it to appear here and there, just as there are some hardcore capitalists among them, too. But there are no hardcore Marxists there, who're working to take away all private property.
We're solidly a laissez faire economy. Of course, we've seen how that worked out. Only an idiot would embrace laissez faire economics, but some still do.
Chelsea Handler needs a hand job. Badly. And s/he needs to finish the gender change soon. Maybe Rachel Maddow cut her off.
"Mouthbreather?" No, there's no personal attack, name-calling here, is there? Cough-Cough-liberal.
And what has the nation of Islam got to do with this administration at all? Or with anything having to do with political theory? In the United States, I mean.
And Harbert has had a bad case of herpes even since.
Obama was changing the tone of international dialogue. That's what it was for.
Agreed. They should have wrapped Handler in a carpet and dropped her into a sewage plant. Skank.
No, no sarcasm. At least, when it comes to interviewing entertainers (haven't seen him delving into politics much), he's able to make it a lot more personable, unscripted, and informative than regular late-night talk shows, which are just fluffy PR.
Oh, I'm doing lots of name-calling. In response to name-calling. You see, you've got a limited ability to comprehend what you read. Look back through the thread and look to see where the insults start. I'm not against hurling pejoratives in response to pejoratives. Gosh, no. I know you think you're pointing out some hypocrisy here, but it's due to you limited understanding of what hypocrisy really is.
Homosexuality is explicitly mentiond in the Bible as one of the many sins God already knows we will desire to do. And he warns that giving in to it will not lead to happiness. And statistically, if you look at the gay lifestyle… just statistically… he's freaking right. Choosing selfish desires, any selfish desires, over uniting with a woman and committing one's life to your children, and to others… is just gonna suck for you, and really for society.
Yes, marriage is so diluted, because we have become an Atheist nation where the Constitution is GOD. When Christians set up this nation, the Constitution was a limit on the Federal govt over we the people. It gave limits to the Feds and rights to us. EQUAL RIGHTS… thusly, we the people could decide what laws, what morals….as long as they're equal but we have been brainwashed for the last 50 years to think the Constitution imposes on us.
Yes, you're going to have to be a lot more specific on various points:
'"labor", in all of its various forms.' encompasses pretty much anyone who works for a living. If you define "working class" as "The people who aren't getting a fair share of the benefits from work, and are looked upon as merely resources to be used up.", then – once again – you could include everyone who is NOT in a management position; including lawyers, stockbrokers, real estate agents and so on.
It seems to me that you view anyone in a management position as 'privileged' and, clearly, the inference is that 'privilege' is 'bad'. So – let me ask you – how do you feel about the guy who gets a job as, say, a mechanic and works his butt off for seven years (surely one of the 'good', working class people, right? That's assuming, of course, that he doesn't vote Republican, in which case he's clearly a racist moron) then – after seven years – he gets promoted to a management position…..et voila!….now he's one of the 'privileged', 'bad' managers! Some thanks for all his hard work huh?
Not only that, but many people in management positions work longer hours, have more stress and more responsibility. In your opinion, however, they don't deserve to earn more and/or receive better benefits?
That is one seriously warped way of looking at the world, my friend.
Last question: How do you feel about the Union bosses who live in multi-million dollar houses and get invited to swanky parties at the White House, while their members' pension plans are unfunded and union workers lose their jobs because the Union sucked the life out of the company, which then had to close its plants?
Just curious.
Just so you know, when gay marriage has been legalized in other states, Westeran, socialist, atheist run states… traditional marriages go down. Dramatically. And gays… only about 2.5% of gays, then take up the marriage call. And of those… less than a quarter are faithful… and its the culture, most even married, have many partners nonetheles… together, apart, whatever. Also, about 10% last more than a few years, faithful or not. That we know… so far.
Goodness, what a mess. I have to even define what "labor" refers to in a world that pretty much understands what the term refers to. That's how warped your view is. You're even including lawyers and stockbrokers in it.
Here's what you do: Learn the language.
We agree more than we disagree. But I'd like to see the same righteous indignation among conservatives over societal degradations that, in my opinion, are doing more damage than the gay marriage debate. It makes me angry to see blatant wantonness rewarded the way we do with so many reality shows that give people fame and fortune for jumping in and out of bed with strangers, getting drunk and any number of bad behaviors. You're right that it's all the result of a godless culture; I do believe that. I'd just like to see a proper focus on reinforcing core values first– like not sanctioning adultery. I can't think of a selfish desire that's tearing families apart that ranks higher than that.
"You had a string of ridiculous accusations. There was nothing to address." Once again the standard Leftist response…..the plain English translation being "You said a lot of things that either I didn't understand, or don't fit in with my world view, so I'm going to ignore you."
I don't listen to Limbaugh – so that's another soundbite out the proverbial window, I guess.
If you actually understood Marxist theory, then you would know that 'hardcore Marxists' begin as Socialists. It's like a gateway drug: The entire point of Socialism is to lay the foundations; to prepare the nation for Marxism (Marx said as much, by the way, so don't bother trying to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about).
Republicans couldn't spell 'laissez faire' and we haven't had a true laissez faire economy for a long, long, long time.
I mentioned the Nation of Islam merely as one of the organizations where you can still find Marxists. I think it speaks for itself (or are you trying to slip that race card in again?)
Once again with the weak attempts at ridicule, whilst deftly (or not so much, in this case) avoiding the question.
So – in a roundabout way – you eventually did answer my question about defining "working class" (you just couldn't do it without sneering your way to it. Are all you Leftists so completely consumed with hatred for anyone who disagrees with you that it makes you feel better to pretend you are superior?)
You view "working class" people as those who do manual labor. Fair enough. I asked because "working" encompasses a far wider range of activity than just building houses or fixing cars or assembling things in factories. It was a perfectly fair question, but I guess your narrow, Leftwing view of the world doesn't allow for the idea that people who have desk jobs actually 'work'.
I speak four languages, by the way. How many do you speak, other than Leftwing-soundbites?
Yeah, it's hard for young Conservative actors trying to make it an industry so opposed to everything they believe in. A guy like Robert Duvall can be both a successful actor and a known conservative because he's Robert freaking Duvall. One doesn't deny Tom Hagen a job for saying nice things about Bush here and there.
But for those still trying to make a name for themselves, they need some resolve, some grace and some good luck here and there, and they can make it like Angie.
There are currently no good scripted shows on anywhere. Not on cable, not on broadcast, not on internet, not on D2V. MAD MEN is smarmy, condescending and insulting, BREAKING BAD takes THE SOPRANOS' biggest fault (the glorification of organized crime as a lifestyle) and turns it up to eleven ($1M a month!) while ignoring the previous series' main redeeming feature (the utter unlikeability of any of those characters) and puts its own leads on a freakin' pedestal.
The last time there was a decent scripted series was probably in THE SOPRANOS' third season.
I agree.
I suppose that it wasn't the place to start a fight about it or something and really, whatsherface was pretty nasty so it's not like anyone really needed Harmon to point out that she was *being* nasty… but it still seemed like even an "out" Republican has to pretend like she's a freak and Republican gays can just stay in the closet, thank you, since the mere thought of their existence offends tolerant liberals.
Bleh.
This reminds me of when Rush was talking about recording his upcoming appearance on Family Guy….and how several of the employees of the studio identified themselves as closeted Conservatives to him. This video is better, but only because it's Angie Harmon.
Funny and friendly to everyone except gay conservatives who apparently don't have the right to exist.
You know… there is a certain amount of hostility among conservatives for homosexuals sometimes and for the "gay lifestyle" more often, but nothing really quite compares to the overt hostility from the people who "like" gays and are on their "side" when the mere *idea* of one of them not knowing their proper place is suggested.
And yeah, Angie laughed it off. What else could she have done?
What else was she supposed to say? "That's a wonderful and huge honor" isn't quite the same thing as "Wow, he really deserves it." It's actually about as neutral a statement as can be made, isn't it?
He hadn't had a chance to do anything yet.
What it was, actually, was an attempt to force him into a particular narrative so that he'd be pressured to conform to what the Prize said he'd won it for.
It was embarrassing and stupid and everyone knew it, even if they said nice things in public.
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't see any similarities between Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. At all. And I find Mad Men very original, all the way around.
these people thrive off fueling liberal propaganda that somehow republicans hate everyone and if you "come out" and say you dont then its "ok"
If someone had said gay Republicans had no right to exist, you'd have a point. Everyone knows about the Log Cabin Republicans. All of this was just comical banter, and nothing else. You just like being pissy.
Go to the website Hillbuzz. It is run by gays from Chicago. They were for Hillary but got pissed off by the way Obama treated Hillary in the primaries. They are behind Palin now.
OK, well….since a significant amount of time has now elapsed since your last response, I can only assume that either you have come to your senses and realized that you're up against a far superior intellect, or you're still feverishly searching the interwebs for some juicy Karl Marx quotes that will provide you with a thin veneer of knowledge.
I'll go watch a movie and check back in a few hours to see if Herr Marx has told you what you should think.
Deal?
And again you throw out even more absurdities and expect to be respected for them. Yeah, you probably know Marxist theory in that way that your side does, as an enemy described in the simplist terms as if nothing else exists, no variations. Marxism is the antithesis to Randian theory, both extremes that nobody in their right minds would practice. Marx did not create the theory of socialism. In his manifesto he created the party plank, and he wrote up the communist economic theory. But those ideas floated around before he came upon them. Now he's your Goldstein, the big boogieman. So this idea that one ideology automatically leads to the other more extreme is just plain ridiculous. What a cheap argument, it's like a "gateway drug." Socialism merely establishes a social contract, and makes sure that labor is prevented from doing all the heavy lifting with none of the benefits of a civilized society. It brings in things like child protection laws, safety rules and that a class of people survive above mere subsistence.
So I don't know where you get your information, but if it's not Rush Limbaugh, it's somebody about like. Maybe Birchers. Maybe Glenn Beck. Whoever your listening to, they're passing along to you some skewed information. Nobody wants to do away with private property, which is the most idealistic aspects of Marxism.
And again there you are with that race card stuff. Do you know how absurd you sound?
Of course you don't.
You are right.
Uh, no. I don't make my determinations based solely on politics. I might be biased against the really nutty ones, but since you don't know me, that was an odd thing to assert.
I'm sorry, I'm getting old, but who is Chelsea Handler? I thought from the headline it was one of Chelsea Clinton's "handlers". Is she someone whose opinion matters to anyone but a narrow-minded constituency of one?
Well, I guess it could be seen as good sportsmanship, then. It still feels a little odd, but it is good to be the bigger man…Or woman, in this case.
I love Angie Harmon's new show. It is really good. I don't find that Chelsea very nice.
The real issue is, should the Federal government even be involved in this in the first place, aside from enforcing the marriage contract? I submit, according to Amendment 10, it is absolutely none of the Fed's business. The Fed should NOT be the ones deciding this issue. It should solely be in the purview of the states, as per the 10th Amendment.
If a state wants to legalize gay marriage, then by all means, it should. And gay people married in that state should have no reasonable expectation of legal recognition of their partnership in a different state which has not legalized gay marriage. Yes this means that some states will be more tolerant and hospitable to some US citizens than others; big deal. It's that way now in a multitude of smaller ways.
We have already ceded so many of the rights of our states to the Fed, that I almost hesitate to call us a Republic anymore. We're rapidly headed towards an unholy socialist/oligarchy hybrid form of government, and each thing we insist that the Federal government take care of for us is just one more hole drilled in our Republic's hull. For or against gay marriage, that's at least one thing that all conservatives should agree on; we need to get the fed out of the micromanagement of our lives, and get them back to the basic responsibilities that they have delineated for them in the Constitution.
Hey moron, has it ever occurred to you that maybe those "working white class people" know that the govt, as per the words of the US CONSTITUTION, know that its not the govt's job to "care" for them but rather it is their duty to care for themselves and the govt is supposed to provide the law and order to give people the opportunity to do so.
Not all of us are parasites looking for govt freebies like you.
Yeah. Because a lack of acting talent has kept soooo many good-looking actresses from finding work and all, right? Talent always trumps looks in Hollywood, huh? Come back when you've been exposed to this little thing called reality.
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