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	<title>Comments on: Lies, Damn Lies and Dramatizations II: &#8216;All The President&#8217;s Men&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: math guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>math guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I don&#039;t see why that makes a difference.  That seems to be a very minor and irrelevant part of all that happened.  As I pointed out in my post that has been removed, there are plenty of other sources written at the time in addition to Woodward and Bernstein.  Mr. Shepard appears to be a revisionist.

And as I said in my removed post, I would like to see a movie based on Judge Sirica&#039;s book, To Set the Record Straight, with Al Pacino as Judge John J. Sirica.

INT. JUDGE SIRICA&#039;S COURTROOM - DAY

The President&#039;s lawyer goes to the podium.

                         LAWYER
     Executive privilege protects the president from
     turning over the tapes.

                         SIRICA
     No, sir.  Executive privilege does not allow the
     president to withhold relevant evidence from a
     criminal prosecution.

Sirica pulls a pistol from under his robe and points it at the lawyer.

                        SIRICA
     I intend to enforce this subpoena!

NOTE:  MG thinks Nixon obstructed justice and was an accessory after the fact to a burglary.  There is no smoking gun whether Nixon conspired before the burglary.  One can only speculate about the tapes that were erased.  And Judge Sirica deserves to be remembered as a strong jurist who clearly saw what the law and the constitution demands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I don&#8217;t see why that makes a difference.  That seems to be a very minor and irrelevant part of all that happened.  As I pointed out in my post that has been removed, there are plenty of other sources written at the time in addition to Woodward and Bernstein.  Mr. Shepard appears to be a revisionist.</p>
<p>And as I said in my removed post, I would like to see a movie based on Judge Sirica&#8217;s book, To Set the Record Straight, with Al Pacino as Judge John J. Sirica.</p>
<p>INT. JUDGE SIRICA&#8217;S COURTROOM &#8211; DAY</p>
<p>The President&#8217;s lawyer goes to the podium.</p>
<p>                         LAWYER<br />
     Executive privilege protects the president from<br />
     turning over the tapes.</p>
<p>                         SIRICA<br />
     No, sir.  Executive privilege does not allow the<br />
     president to withhold relevant evidence from a<br />
     criminal prosecution.</p>
<p>Sirica pulls a pistol from under his robe and points it at the lawyer.</p>
<p>                        SIRICA<br />
     I intend to enforce this subpoena!</p>
<p>NOTE:  MG thinks Nixon obstructed justice and was an accessory after the fact to a burglary.  There is no smoking gun whether Nixon conspired before the burglary.  One can only speculate about the tapes that were erased.  And Judge Sirica deserves to be remembered as a strong jurist who clearly saw what the law and the constitution demands.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating article, Geoff.  I was one of those who watched every second of the Watergate investigation with rapped fascination.  I am even more amazed at the sort of character defect in a famed journalist that would allow such a fashionable deception of fact to survive thirty years; to &quot;nobly&quot; protect his source, dontcha know.  Yeah...that&#039;s why he did it. Sadly, I think this sort of thing is the rule, not the exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article, Geoff.  I was one of those who watched every second of the Watergate investigation with rapped fascination.  I am even more amazed at the sort of character defect in a famed journalist that would allow such a fashionable deception of fact to survive thirty years; to &#8220;nobly&#8221; protect his source, dontcha know.  Yeah&#8230;that&#8217;s why he did it. Sadly, I think this sort of thing is the rule, not the exception.</p>
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		<title>By: math guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>math guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.  Because Frank Felt committed illegal acts, that excuses Nixon&#039;s cover up of the Watergate break in.  I suppose every time material evidence comes into the prosecution&#039;s hands through someone with skeletons in the closet, the crook gets to go free.  Only evidence obtained by people with pure hearts and pure minds can be used against any crook.

Well that changes my scene in the Sirica movie.  Pacino points the gun at the president&#039;s lawyer and proclaims, &quot;I intend to enforce this subpoena!&quot;

The president&#039;s lawyer goes to the drawing board and says, &quot;let me explain why you can&#039;t.&quot; 

Drawing a diagram, the lawyer narrates, &quot;the only reason we know that CREEP was involved in the break in was because an informant with skeletons in his closet told a couple clueless reporters that there were higher ups involved in the break in.  Once that fact was known, a Senate committee began investigating the matter and learned through a man named Butterfield that the President was recording conversations in the Oval office, and through John Dean, an egomaniac who wants to be a television personality someday after serving a term in federal prison, said that the tapes do exist.  The special prosecutor, who should be fired as was Archie Cox, does not have the legal authority to subpoena those tapes.  Not because of executive privilege, but because the secret informant who we will not be known about until the reporters write their book two years from now, which will then become a movie that dramatizes all this cloak and dagger stuff, infringed the civil liberties of people who are on the president&#039;s enemy list, only we don&#039;t know this because it is classified.&quot;

Damn, that really changes the dramatic momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  Because Frank Felt committed illegal acts, that excuses Nixon&#8217;s cover up of the Watergate break in.  I suppose every time material evidence comes into the prosecution&#8217;s hands through someone with skeletons in the closet, the crook gets to go free.  Only evidence obtained by people with pure hearts and pure minds can be used against any crook.</p>
<p>Well that changes my scene in the Sirica movie.  Pacino points the gun at the president&#8217;s lawyer and proclaims, &#8220;I intend to enforce this subpoena!&#8221;</p>
<p>The president&#8217;s lawyer goes to the drawing board and says, &#8220;let me explain why you can&#8217;t.&#8221; </p>
<p>Drawing a diagram, the lawyer narrates, &#8220;the only reason we know that CREEP was involved in the break in was because an informant with skeletons in his closet told a couple clueless reporters that there were higher ups involved in the break in.  Once that fact was known, a Senate committee began investigating the matter and learned through a man named Butterfield that the President was recording conversations in the Oval office, and through John Dean, an egomaniac who wants to be a television personality someday after serving a term in federal prison, said that the tapes do exist.  The special prosecutor, who should be fired as was Archie Cox, does not have the legal authority to subpoena those tapes.  Not because of executive privilege, but because the secret informant who we will not be known about until the reporters write their book two years from now, which will then become a movie that dramatizes all this cloak and dagger stuff, infringed the civil liberties of people who are on the president&#8217;s enemy list, only we don&#8217;t know this because it is classified.&#8221;</p>
<p>Damn, that really changes the dramatic momentum.</p>
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		<title>By: OSweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>OSweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left is willing to fight over history and win by any means necessary, including lying and cheating. The right decides it can&#039;t do anything about it, so just lies back and tries to enjoy it.

The left gets away with it because the left occupies the default, unthought-through moral high ground. 
E.g. try to civilly tackle OStone&#039;s JFK &quot;truths&quot; and before you know it you&#039;re an apologist for the evil military-industrial complex and the Vietnam War. Not worth it. Better to just lie back and try to enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left is willing to fight over history and win by any means necessary, including lying and cheating. The right decides it can&#8217;t do anything about it, so just lies back and tries to enjoy it.</p>
<p>The left gets away with it because the left occupies the default, unthought-through moral high ground.<br />
E.g. try to civilly tackle OStone&#8217;s JFK &#8220;truths&#8221; and before you know it you&#8217;re an apologist for the evil military-industrial complex and the Vietnam War. Not worth it. Better to just lie back and try to enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: math guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>math guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  Downs says Felt &quot;probably&quot; was engaged in illegal activity, without any proof, and then says that is a fact ignored by a poster, and then says Felt was worse than the Watergate burglars because he did something bad without any evidence that he did it.

Very good Downs.  You win the Tail Gunner Joe Award of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  Downs says Felt &#8220;probably&#8221; was engaged in illegal activity, without any proof, and then says that is a fact ignored by a poster, and then says Felt was worse than the Watergate burglars because he did something bad without any evidence that he did it.</p>
<p>Very good Downs.  You win the Tail Gunner Joe Award of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: J Downs</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not overlook the fact that Felt, as Hoover&#039;s #2, probably pulled or approved 100&#039;s if not 1,000&#039;s of black bag jobs. J. Edgar Hoover wiretapped everyone without warrant, including MLK and John Lennon, and had presidents so scared of him that he stayed in office for 48 years. So for Felt to portray himself as a concerned civil libertarian would be a joke if it weren&#039;t so scary. Funny how libs like Math Guy always ignore this fact about Felt. Felt made the Watergate burglars look like amateurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not overlook the fact that Felt, as Hoover&#8217;s #2, probably pulled or approved 100&#8217;s if not 1,000&#8217;s of black bag jobs. J. Edgar Hoover wiretapped everyone without warrant, including MLK and John Lennon, and had presidents so scared of him that he stayed in office for 48 years. So for Felt to portray himself as a concerned civil libertarian would be a joke if it weren&#8217;t so scary. Funny how libs like Math Guy always ignore this fact about Felt. Felt made the Watergate burglars look like amateurs.</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Arens</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C. Arens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watergate was a top-to-bottom John Dean affair. Why even bug the Watergate before there was a Democrat-party nominee, and why make the target of that bug Larry O&#039;Brien&#039;s secretary unless Dean wanted to minimize his own involvement with Ms. Owen-Biner-Dean? Dean is a serial liar (he even had to admit under oath that he hadn&#039;t even read his own autobiography, let alone written it), and now Dean has made himself into some sort of patron saint of executive corruption. All the rest of the Watergate imbroglio was a circus of slanted media coverage, political posturing during an unpopular war, and third-rate skulduggery. 

But, such things die hard. Warren Harding is still viewed as a bumbling wad of corruption and small-minded sloth, despite reams of evidence that he was a very effective president who happened to champion liberty and small government.  As long as the likes of Arthur Schlesinger keep writing the history, the truth has little bearing on the official version of events. Worse yet, Carl Bernstein never looked anything like Robert Redford, until recent years, now that Mr. Sundance has taken on the countenance of a topographic map of his beloved Rocky Mountains. 

&quot;The Truth Will Out&quot;. Well, maybe. Just don&#039;t hold your breath or buy ripe bananas waiting for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watergate was a top-to-bottom John Dean affair. Why even bug the Watergate before there was a Democrat-party nominee, and why make the target of that bug Larry O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s secretary unless Dean wanted to minimize his own involvement with Ms. Owen-Biner-Dean? Dean is a serial liar (he even had to admit under oath that he hadn&#8217;t even read his own autobiography, let alone written it), and now Dean has made himself into some sort of patron saint of executive corruption. All the rest of the Watergate imbroglio was a circus of slanted media coverage, political posturing during an unpopular war, and third-rate skulduggery. </p>
<p>But, such things die hard. Warren Harding is still viewed as a bumbling wad of corruption and small-minded sloth, despite reams of evidence that he was a very effective president who happened to champion liberty and small government.  As long as the likes of Arthur Schlesinger keep writing the history, the truth has little bearing on the official version of events. Worse yet, Carl Bernstein never looked anything like Robert Redford, until recent years, now that Mr. Sundance has taken on the countenance of a topographic map of his beloved Rocky Mountains. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Truth Will Out&#8221;. Well, maybe. Just don&#8217;t hold your breath or buy ripe bananas waiting for it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to you!  I was surprised Hugh Hewitt wasn&#039;t a little tougher on Ron Howard, BTW.

It won&#039;t be these inaccuracies, though, that awaken the Americans who still have some gumption left: it&#039;ll be the gaffes, politics as usual, pork, and broken promises of the Obama administration AS THESE THINGS AFFECT THEIR DAILY LIVES AND FREEDOMS.  Obama is a quick learner and he may yet prove to be an able president, but thus far he lacks the gravitas and experience to get the job done.  Let&#039;s hope and pray for him and his leadership, all the while keeping our noses to the grindstone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to you!  I was surprised Hugh Hewitt wasn&#8217;t a little tougher on Ron Howard, BTW.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t be these inaccuracies, though, that awaken the Americans who still have some gumption left: it&#8217;ll be the gaffes, politics as usual, pork, and broken promises of the Obama administration AS THESE THINGS AFFECT THEIR DAILY LIVES AND FREEDOMS.  Obama is a quick learner and he may yet prove to be an able president, but thus far he lacks the gravitas and experience to get the job done.  Let&#8217;s hope and pray for him and his leadership, all the while keeping our noses to the grindstone.</p>
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		<title>By: cathy french</title>
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		<dc:creator>cathy french</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>william sullivan--and why not?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>william sullivan&#8211;and why not?????</p>
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		<title>By: astorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>astorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen the movie in a few years, but I distinctly remember Woodward referring to Deep Throat as &quot;my source in Justice,&quot; not as a White House insider.

SInce the FBI is under the Justice Department, I don&#039;t see where there was any real dishonesty.

And I say this as someone who long suspected (wrongly) that Deep Throat was a composite character who didn&#039;t really exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the movie in a few years, but I distinctly remember Woodward referring to Deep Throat as &#8220;my source in Justice,&#8221; not as a White House insider.</p>
<p>SInce the FBI is under the Justice Department, I don&#8217;t see where there was any real dishonesty.</p>
<p>And I say this as someone who long suspected (wrongly) that Deep Throat was a composite character who didn&#8217;t really exist.</p>
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