Tom Brokaw’s Class Warfare Attack on Guns
by Greg GutfeldSo Tom Brokaw just appeared on Morning Joe (named after a sex act), to discuss the boost in gun sales since the Arizona shooting.
Brokaw explained this upsurge as a bunch of scared lemmings stockpiling their guns in “underground bunkers” in case new laws arrive to ban them.
He elaborated somewhat…
“In Arizona they have a wide open system. I would be nervous about going into a bar or restaurant in Arizona on a Saturday night where people can carry concealed without permits.”
You would be nervous?
That’s the point, Tom.
You should be nervous. And by “you,” I really mean, generally, any jerk who comes in to start trouble at the bar. That’s the beauty of guns, or the threat of guns – it’s a natural motivator to lighten up, back off, and mind your own beeswax.
And let’s not forget, people bought those guns, to protect themselves. As John Lott Jr., points out, a major factor in determining how many people are harmed by a lunatic killer is the time frame between the start of the attack and when another gun arrives. The quicker it gets there, the faster the crime spree ends.
To me, this debate over gun ownership seems like class warfare. People like Brokaw just don’t know anybody who owns guns. Except of course, the security around him when he visits NBC. He’s safe and sound, spouting his opinions – not like everyone else at campuses and supermarkets.
So, from his perch, he stereotypes gun owners as gun nuts, hunkering in bunkers. It would be the same, if I said all newscasters were egocentric, aloof elitists who can’t pronounce the letter L.
No offense, Tom.
And if you disagree with me you’re a racist homophobe.
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You should be nervous. And by “you,” I really mean, generally, any jerk who comes in to start trouble at the bar. That’s the beauty of guns, or the threat of guns – it’s a natural motivator to lighten up, back off, and mind your own beeswax.
okay Yosemite Sam! Guess AZ really enjoys its "old west" reputation then, huh?
I caught that yesterday at Breitbart TV http://www.breitbart.tv/brokaw-i-would-be-nervous... . If Brokaw is nervous about entering a bar in Arizona, he should avoid those in Texas as well, and definitely stay out of Montana.
"That’s the beauty of guns, or the threat of guns – it’s a natural motivator to lighten up, back off, and mind your own beeswax."
Guns.
Such a beautiful thing!
I think people would be surprised how many folks are actually carrying a personal weapon for protection. I would rather call for emergency help after I've protected myself or my family rather than be defenseless against a criminal. The criminals are going to get guns no matter what laws are enacted but heaven help us if the rights of citizens to protect themselves are taken away. Mr. Brokaw probably has body guards while he is making his pompous judgements on the rest of us.
They don't call them peacemakers for nothing. So maybe he'd feel better if we actually secured the border first.
Nerve: Tom Brokaw is the one who said we don't even know who Obama really is. That is still a gross understatement and whose fault is that? His, and the rest of the MSM.
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Concealed carry laws in Texas require the bearer to get a permit by having a background check and attending a safety course. If AZ really doesn't have this requirement, they should look into it. I say this as someone who supports the Texas law. I'm glad citizens here can arm themselves, but I'm also glad that they have to know what they're doing before they strap on a piece.
Robert Heinlein – "An armed society is a polite society."
The fact is less gun control = less crime. It's simply a statistical fact.
Criminals can't get their guns legally. They are criminals – they break the law. That's kind of their thing.
So when you ban guns or restrict, you are only hurting law abiding gun owners.
Please note that one of the guys who subdued the shooter had a gun, but decided against using it because one guy already had the shooter down and he didn't want to create more chaos or hurt someone.
And of course there are plenty of cases where a law abiding gun owner has thwarted a nut from shooting up people.
And the numbers also show that plenty of people are saved from criminals by having a gun, a lot of times without having to even fire it. Just the criminal knowing the person is armed is enough of a deterrence.
Gun Free Zones mean that law abiding people won't bring guns, but it doesn't deter crazy people and criminals from doing so.
With all the guns we have in this country and if ALL people with guns are nuts and just like to shoot people for no reason, there would be a lot more gun deaths in this country than there are right now.
After being invited into peoples' homes for years, and helping carry the propagandists' water, to this day, with a straight face, and a slight speech impedimate, I'd be agoraphobic of anyone I lied to and nervous anywhere I showed my face too!
I'm all for gun control.
Hitting what you aim at, every time.
i think the right to own a gun is a great idea to protect private property. also, just because you are allowed to own a gun, i do think unless you are willing to take gun ownership serious, don't get one. when you purchase a gun, you should use it on a regular basis, not to shoot at passers by, but to test your skill, for when you need it. also, store it responsibly, and try not to leave it on the coffee table, or on the entertainment center. so once you get you aim figured out, it will be much easier to shoot any scumbag trying to ruin your day. a gun is not a toy, but a valuable personal defense item, for you and your family. and for those of you in arizona, i envy you, because tom brokaw won't visit you at your local watering hole, because he is a pantywaist liberal.
I've heard it stated by many a law enforcement official state that their job is to resolve and investigate crimes, they cannot be expected to prevent them. They simply cannot be everywhere.
I am reminded of a conversation I once had with a gun-fearing liberal, he said that if he were robbing houses, he'd pick out ones that had NRA or other pro-gun stickers on the cars outside, because he'd know that there were guns to steal there. I just shook my head at his ignorance and walked away. Good thing he doesn't actually rob houses.
Greg,
And if you disagree with me you’re a racist hoplophobe.
there, fixed fer ya.
Tom Brokeback should be afraid. When I used to frequent bars, most of the time when a trouble maker started up, he was…… removed by the patrons. In a few short sentences, Tom has managed to show just how deep his ignoance runs.
“In Arizona they have a wide open system. I would be nervous about going into a bar or restaurant in Arizona on a Saturday night where people can carry concealed without permits.”
Arizona has to follow the same firearms regulations as the rest of the country. Meaning background checks, Form 4413, (federal form for purchasing a firearm from a FFL dealer), etc. Now, yes, one can carry a concealed firearm without a permit, but NOT IN BARS, or anywhere else alcohol is served. IF one has a CCW, one may carry in a bar, but NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL!!
The only thing that comes close to "Wide open" is the fact that we can carry openly. And that tends to scare NOT the general populace, but the people who would do them harm.
Totally. Squeeze, don't pull.
I never saw Brokaw as a gun-grabbing lefty or anything. I cannot imagine him actually being nervous about going to a bar in a concealed-carry jurisdiction. Maybe it was just a bad joke?
Reminds me, though, of one thing I don't understand about liberals, metrosexuals, whatever you want to call them: they love to talk about stuff they're afraid of. Guns are a good example. I simply don't believe that every lefty is that big a p***y and is happy to tell the whole world about it. I think it's really their way of throwing a back-handed insult at conservatives and gaining some victim cred. The apparent sissy lib who's "uncomfortable" with guns is really just pretending to be weak and passive so the gun-toters will look like bullies or psychos.
Amen, bro!
I know that's so hard for me to do. I guess I don't go often enough. If I can start seeing my way financially in the next few months, I'm going to have to look into a little gun self-defense training. And maybe some Krav Maga.
Just in case. ;-D
Peteee, you are exactly right.
My mom is still nervous about living alone. She does have a security system, but she keeps thinking, what if that doesn't work?
I keep telling her she should look into getting a gun, but that if she does, she should get trained so that she knows what she is doing.
But she's so European (despite her naturalization) I don't think she'll ever go for it.
ROTFLMAO! Seriously! That is beyond ignorance. That is like CRIMINALLY IGNORANT.
Well, if he ever turns to a life of crime, it will likely be very short-lived.
HEY BROKAW!
NEVER FORGET THIS!
GUN OWNERS AREN'T HIDING THEIR GUNS IN BUNKERS BECAUSE IF YOU LIBERALS MAKE THINGS THAT INTOLERABLE FOR AMERICANS, THEN IT'S TIME FOR US ALL TO BRING THE GUN UP OUT OF THE BUNKERS!
WHY DO YOU HAVE BUNKERS ON YOUR MIND? YOU BUILDING ONE YOUR SELF?OR PERHAPS YOU HAVE AN ESCAPE ROCKET?
How's this for nuanced?
I don't have a gun or have any interest in owning one.
But.
The day I perceive our 2nd Amendment rights to be truly under threat… well I will without a doubt be making a purchase.
What do fences, locked doors, dogs, and guns have in common?
They all deter crazy people and criminals, and they're closer than police.
Tom's a limp wristed Homo.
IIRC, Virginia Tech has, had, or is a Gun Free Zone, and look what happened there.
I sincerely doubt Brokaw's queasiness in the presence of guns. The guy lives part-time in Montana, where many youngsters learn to shoot and handle guns before they learn to read.
Brokaw and his wife visited Montana for years. She's written a cookbook of recipes using local foods. He partnered with friends – actor, Michael Keaton, former Clinton Treasury Secretary, Robert Rubin, and others (possibly David Letterman) to purchase an old dude ranch adjacent to a property Keaton already owned.
This link quotes an article about that ranch from Sunset Magazine. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429063/...
Does Brokaw have a greater problem with people with guns in Arizona than he does in Montana? Or, should his neighbors in Montana be concerned that he will bring his worry about guns to Montana too?
These people are full of themselves… And still hollow.
Thanks for the background info. I didn't know what is and what is not allowed in AZ, in regards to CCW.
PRECISELY!
I thought Brokenjaw was retired.
Then you are thinking like an American.
Thank you for setting the record straight on AZ gun laws, I had planned to do the same, but you got here first and did it better than I could. Do you happen to know when they changed the concealed carry law there? Last I knew you had to have a permit, but that was some time back.
You probably could prevent allot of this "random pyscho" style domestic gun violence with tougher gun regulation, but you wouldnt drastically reduce the main cause of gun violence which is violence inside and between minority groups (IE Blacks and Latinos) in the inner cities.
The benefits of stopping guys like Loughner are far surpassed by the cost of taking away our 2nd amendment rights. Liberals would do well to remember that we have higher levels of gun violence than most westernized countries beacuse we are a massive melting pot with a huge population not beacuse of lax gun control.
Guns… are bad? Oh! That's why England is such a crime free Utopia! Because they banned guns. Not even the police, except special SWAT have guns. Must be great fun to be a female bobbie in jolly ol' England – what with all of the mutual respect between criminals and law enforcement. Everyone there holds hands and skips through the cobblestone streets singing God Save the Queen – because there's no guns, and therefore, it's always awesome, all the time. YAY!
Similar to Algoreaphobia which is the fear of the open spaces in my head being discovered.
actually, the dumba$$ lives part time in Montana and i know for a fact he at least used to own guns because a close friend of mine is one of his neighbors. he's just another elitist liberal hypocrite who thinks the unwashed masses need to be better controlled.
a close friend of mine lives right down the road and knows all those guys. Brokaw at least used to own guns, so he's just another liberal hypocrite.
I would be very comfortable in a bar or restaurant in Arizona. Or any were else for that matter. My problem with pistol permits, is that its nothing but a tax to exercise a Right under the Constitution of the United States, Its in there, he should read it. The lack of a few guns on a day in September cost us not only in needless deaths, but an endless war. Tom Brokaw is nothing but a shill he always was, if you don't live on the Upper West Side, you are stupid and we know what is best for you. Shut up and do what we say. The only problem with that is that my rifle says I don't have to. And that is his whole problem with guns, We don't have to listen to him and he can't make us. The founders were the greatest bunch ever to come together under one roof. Think about what they really did some times.
If he was telling the truth. I just don't ever believe a thing he says.
He back tracks and circles around on every position, so this probably won't be his last word.
Bloody well stated, cheers!!!
Quit doing your Charlie McCarthy act, bp, Edgar Bergen's long dead.
I believe in Gun Laws! …I mean.. the ones the criminals follow! Yah… I totally believe in THOSE gun laws.
But when that day comes, it will be too late.
You're already too late. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Sounds like Arizona has a very sensible system in place. We should all follow Arizona's example: Ignore the bleating and blathering of liberal idiots and embrace and enact sensible and effective policies.
Brokaw IS a racist homophobe.
I'm a Tennessean too Kim and a well respected community member who has no enemies. I carry a concealed weapon legally and you are correct in stating that he has no idea how many people do. It would be funny to have Mr. Brokaw in a community forum and ask everyone who is carrying to raise their hand. Probably scare the devil out of him! I want no trouble with anyone but if the scenario called for it, I also fear no act of violence toward me or my family.
Reminds me of the policeman who did a traffic stop and asked the guy if he had any weapons on him. He said yes and he had legal papers to carry them. After the officer was shown about 8 different pistols and shotguns, he asked the guy what the heck he was scared of.
The guy told him "Absolutely nothing Sir, absolutely nothing".
They're banned in Australia, too, but you wouldn't believe the number of people there who have guns. They're not about to give them up.
If DC ever got its murder rate down to anything like that of Tombstone at its worst, the DCPD would be doing cartwheels in the corridors.
I personally like this sign:
MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SUPPORTS GUN CONTROL
I DON'T
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I saw Jane Harman ( D-CA) on MSLSD today, the Larry O'Donnell Show, talking about how she was going to propose a bill to restrict the sale of high capacity "clips" ( magazines), so deviant, perverted psychopaths cannot shoot more than 9 rounds before reloading.
One of the doctors said in jest " She has a better chance of removing LEAD from the periodic chart"…
Then another nurse chimed in with " the 2nd Amendment is the big gun in the "Bill of Rights arsenal" …even if an occasional loser uses one indiscriminately… …I had to agree…
< Ann likes the 30 round mags– not so much time wasted reloading at the range>
You know why I carry a gun? Because a cop is too heavy to lug around.
That day will be too late.
We shall see.
;-D
In FL, it is unlawful to carry one's concealed weapon into any establishment serving alcohol (i.e., a bar).
Does Arizona have a similar law?
LOL…I thought the same thing…have Mr. Brokaw come to our community and see a show of hands. He'd head for the hills in a hurry. Heaven forbid I ever have to use mine but definitely heaven help me if I need one and don't have it. It's like Beck says about being prepared…you don't worry if you are – it's when bad things happen and you aren't prepared that you panic. I'm grateful to live in a country where we can be prepared to protect ourselves. Blessings.
True story: Two illegal aliens broke into a home in Butte, Montana with an eleven year old girl Patricia Harrington, a clay pigeon champion in Montana. She was upstairs when the crooks broke in she ran to her fathers room and grabbed a 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun and assumed a knee-crouch aim at the top of the step. One of the crooks first up the steps was hit with a point blank blast ( deceased). The 2nd running down the steps was hit in the shoulder and bled to death in the front yard…he had a .45 caliber handgun. A great example of gun control.
What would Tom Brokaw do?
LOL!
Or one can always suggest to anti-gun neighbors that they put a Gun Free Zone sign in front of their house because you know that works soooo well.
;-D
I visited the Tucson/Sierra Vista area last spring from South Carolina. Arizona is a great state, and doesn't deserve Tom Broke-aw's trash talk. I respect Gov. Jan Brewer, who has a tough job fighting against this kind of nonsense.
This is disappointing because I've always admired Tom Brokaw–at least, more so than other journalists of the Big Three, and he's traveled through Middle America enough to know better. Has he really learned so little as to make that statement?
open carry changed last spring with no increased amount of deaths or 'slaughter' as the opposition predicted, just like everywhere else. Brokaw would never be in a AZ bar anyway unless it was Scottsdale or Sedona. It is Scottsdale where all the sports heroes get into trouble after -hours and yes it does sometime involve guns. Personally, I have weapons I have never fired and only am inclined to tote one if I were to go to Phoenix or Tucson; even then I don't. I do know a lot about AZ bars though. Brokaw would be booooed out.
I must have missed that story when it was on "World News Tonite" with Brian Williams.. sitting in tonite for Brian, is Katie Coric,… or one of the other news clones..
Shame, I'll just have to pay better attention…
I left Tuson in Nov '08. Never owned a weapon while I was out there, but I used to go out "plinking" with friends. Only time I ever carried was when I was in Afghanistan. I sure do miss the bars out there…in Tucson that is, not Afghanistan. I wouldn't be caught dead in Scottsdale.
I do believe you can carry it in but you better not be drinking. As long as I can remember we could carry any firearm openly in this state, but I am not sure if that included bars then or even gave it a thought. I have lived here a long time and things have changed. There is definitely a rural/urban issue to consider.
Tom don't know Jack.
From what hole have these leftist spawn crawled out? I'm glad you were able to make some sense of that comment because I'm beginning to think even these trolls don't know what they're typing–since when has Arizona EVER had an 'old west' reputation?
I suspect it does in the minds of many. The Valley is definitely 21st century these days. Arguably L.A. East. Glad to see you around. Serious TardFest this afternoon and since the shooting. Not sure who bp is but, after a while, retardation all looks the same to me.
Brokaw is such a pussy, and not in a good way.
Is Tom Broke-Jaw still doing that goofy thing with his voice? I remember seeing him speak at Ford's funeral and he was even doing it there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp65NjDCkkU
Give it up, Tom. You don't always have to be "on." You can speak normally, I know it.
As nice as it sounds, it is NOT a true story. See here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion...
Had some computer issues–and anger management issues over the computer issues.
I've noticed the tardlings have come out of the woodwork since the shootings. Loughner was clearly a left leaner, so I'm not quite sure what these bozos hope to accomplish other than choking on their own feet, per usual. He resembles one of them but on psychedelic steroids–and many of their comments only confirm the fact.
Retrospection is, clearly, not a leftist trait.
There are worse reputations to have.
ladykrystyna:
I agree with all of your points. They are logical and sound. But ultimately, I want to live in a world far removed from the Wild West, where you don't have to be armed in order to be safe. I am grateful that 99.999% of the people out there don't enter into rooms with guns a-blazin'. And I hope to be able to live my entire life without having to carry a concealed weapon in order to feel safe. But I strongly support others who feel it necessary to carry one.
All of your statements are correct. But I also assume that if more of us had guns that the incidences of accidental shootings would rise as well. Also, I never fear encountering a stranger with a concealed weapon. I know they are law-abiding folks, but catch them at home with dysfunction and domestic frustrations and often brothers, fathers, wives, cousins, and others become victims of passionate crimes. Guns didn't cause these incidences to happen, but simply having a pistol in a home increases the chances of something crazy and unintentional happening when passions run high or when alcohol is consumed.
I'm sure one of my smarter conservative/libertarian friends will be able to direct you to links that will show that your fears are unfounded.
Google John Lott (the person referred to by Greg in the above article), for starters.
You will never live in a world far removed from violence. It's not possible. Guns don't cause violence. Guns are a tool. And any tool can be misused. People can be violent.
In England, after they really put a ban on guns into effect, knife deaths went up.
If someone wants you dead, they will try their best to make their wish come true – knives, bats, poison, bombs, etc.
But if they know you can defend yourself, they will be deterred. Lott's whole conclusion and I believe the name of his book was – More Guns, Less Crime.
Have "Gun Free School Zones" done any good? No, they haven't. VA Tech is a such a zone. But it didn't stop that kid from bringing a gun and killing people. Insane people and criminals don't follow the law.
"Guns didn't cause these incidences to happen, but simply having a pistol in a home increases the chances of something crazy and unintentional happening when passions run high or when alcohol is consumed."
But that's the whole point that I was making – with the amount of legal guns in this country, there should be MORE such things happening and they are not.
I think Lott is a good place for you to start so that you can find out about the facts.
I used to be a moderate liberal that was soft on the 2nd Amendment. I didn't want an all out ban, but I believed in many of the gun control laws until I found out they were useless and that the facts pointed in the opposite direction.
Yes, I know.
We get all the nuts coming to Montana.
Tom Brokaw.
Ted Turner.
David Letterman.
Russell Crowe.
Mel Gibson.
Although Crowe isn't too bad, and Gibson was a decent neighbor. The first three mentioned though, are persona non Grata.
OK so……….
you are telling me that there are nujobs that based on an argument over proper grammar will obtain a gun and extended clips. Practice for there years so they can attend a public event and shoot everyone there….
and you think the answer is to keep me from being able to buy a gun…… Hmmmmm……
Not No! Not H3!! No, Not h3!! bleeping bleep NO but NNNEEEVVVEEERRRRRR!
When was the last time Brokaw went to a non-elitist bar or restaurant? My guess is he would be nervous if he knew everyone was unarmed. Nice little metasexual boy always get nervous in the presence of real men.
If Arizona was the wild west our murder and violent crime rates would spike. They haven't. The only people that shoot in the city limits are gang-bangers and something tells me that happens a lot more in other cities than the PHX.
ever hear of Tombstone?
I dunno. Loughner kinda looks more like a righty to me.
yes and no.
Yes that would be the problem with people like me… if we were only people like me. Luckily, there's nice 2nd amendment protecting folks like you out there. Thanks to y'all, I don't have to concern myself over it too much.
Not only that, if I need to run out and buy a gun on short notice, I like to know the option is there. And yes I understand this goes against the 3 day waiting rules and what not. I'm conflicted in certain aspects like that.
I was the first person Roger encountered on the internet that he figured out that he couldn't totally believe. because sometimes I speak sarcastically.
now DC was supposed to have one of the most severe gun control laws, until struck down, right?
but if decent law abiding citizens wanted to have a gun and bullets for self defense… was that totally outlawed there? Because I would say that precisely because of the murder rate, people should be able to have a gun in the house! But I don't think the law actually prevented that.
sure – see comments about DC, above.
But there are better too.
good point. but then a place could get an "old west" reputation for something besides crime. I didn't really mean to suggest a high crime rate.
but, probably a place, where, like this article suggests… you best watch yer step, son.
I had a neighbor who was English and he told me he felt much safer in the U.S. than the U.K. thanks to being able to legally own a gun.
Is that comment of yours supposed to make some kind of sense?
I agree, not-so-bright, you 'dunno' — certainly not the gist of my comment, for starters. By the way, how is that foot of yours tasting?
It's the turtleneck talking.
I think the Tea Party folks and all other concerned Americans should demand that any school from 8th grade through to College level should be required to teach the US Constitution and Bill of Rights in detail if they receive federal funds of any type. Congress should pass a law requiring this requirement; they can do it as they dictate many other things that must be taught. Write call or email your Congressman and demand the passage of such a law. The Constitution should be taught in detail and in in its entirety. We will lose our rights if we do not defend them. How can we defend our rights if we are not taught what they are?
SNOPES = buzz killers!
I LOVED Fred Thompson's facebook comment on Brokaw's screed. "Well, Tom, I understand how you'd be nervous about going into an Arizona bar where there are no gun control standards. I'm always nervous about going to NBC's studios where there are no journalistic standards!"
Easy solution. Get her a pump shotgun. You don't even have to buy shells for it. If, in the middle of the night, she hears a noise and thinks someone may have broken in, reach under the bed, grab the shotgun and work the slide one time. Ker-Chunk!!! If she doesn't hear running feet and breaking glass, go on back to sleep because EVERYONE knows what that sound is and nothing's scarier in the dark!
I can't help wondering at what point we reached a situation where a woman lying raped and murdered in an alley is, somehow, morally superior to another woman, standing in the entrance to that same alley, explaining to the police how that rapist got a hole in his chest?
Actually, Snopes doesn't say this "didn't happen." They base their rejection of the story mostly on "the lack of any newspaper accounts of it," which is a pretty shoddy research method, if you ask me, and, unless the quoted sheriff has been the sheriff of every county in the State for as long as it's BEEN a State, his opinion is useless, too. You can fill thousands of volumes with true stories that the news media has chosen to ignore. Don't get me wrong, I'm not insisting that the story is true–just that relying on "newspaper" accounts isn't a particularly reliable way to check something out.
you forgot steady breaths.
shoot on an exhale not an inhale.
Brokaw gave me the impression that it would make him feel nervous to go to the bathroom by himself.
Brokaw should know when to be quiet and go away…….he no longer has anything to say anyone is interested in hearing……
Not only did knife deaths go up, they started restricting the types of knives everyone could buy. Last I heard (a year ago), the Parliament was looking at legislating access to friggin steak knives. I assume that flopped due to the stupidity of it combined with the potential for public outcry…
An armed society is a polite society.
Brokejaw-you should be afraid to go into a bar in Arizona. Not bec ause of the guns though. Because you are a left wing, anti-american communist POS, and we dont exactly welocome you NYC Metrosexual creeps in Arizona. Brokejaw, if you did come to AZ, Id like you to spend a day with your hero Sheriff DUPE niks 40 yo daughter, the arrested about a dozen times on drug charges type you have great admiration for. Sheriff Joe would likely throw you Brokejaw ass into the county jail on Leftwing pollution charges.
Stan-Id give the girl the presidential medal of freedom. Brokejaw-hed live up to his name and would be sipping dinner thru his broken jaw.
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