Daily Gut: Celebrities Who Make Kids Sick
by Greg GutfeldSo the Lancet, a British medical journal named after a really sharp object, retracted a horrible study attempting to link measle vaccines to autism.
Now this would really be great news, if the study had not come out, oh, 12 years ago. It’s really scary that it took a medical journal over a decade to admit what nearly everyone else with a working brain knew: the study had more gaping holes in it than Tom Sizemore’s septum.
But sadly, although the study author has also been discredited for this harmful crud, it doesn’t matter. People who believe in junk science will continue to believe in junk science, because their egos won’t allow any other option. And so they will continue preaching to parents a dangerous and false belief that ends up killing kids.
I speak of Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey, and all the saps at the Huffington Post who by their own earnest idiocy, misled the public into skipping vaccinations. The potential result: measles outbreaks all over the globe – and ultimately, dead kids.
It’s hard to make jokes about that, so I won’t.
But I will make jokes about gasbags like Carrey and McCarthy, two cretins who can’t be content simply making us sick to our stomachs with their work – they also gotta make our kids sick with ego-driven medical advice. Now, I’m not a celebrity, but here’s my medical advice for this sort of behavior: whenever a star offers an opinion on important health matters – citing flawed studies they know a nearly comatose Larry King won’t bother checking – they should be given a vaccination of their own. It should be full of lead and shot straight up their ass.
And if you disagree with me, you’re probably Arianna Huffington.
Tonight, Congressman McCotter also joins us! To see the rest of the guests, look below!
Also, check this piece I did on the autism/vaccine link. Like my current underwear, that piece is over two years old.
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Funny. The one health scare that they – the Hollywoodist – seemed to ignore were silicon implants. That was one bandwagon that had them runnin' for 'dem Hollywood Hills.
And after all of the litigation and press there is still no conclusive scientific data that supports a statistical correlation between silicone implants and auto-immune diseases they supposedly caused. Who cares? Shove Dow into Chapter 11 bankruptcy and let them deal with major changes to recover from the crisis.
The finger pointers? Who knows? On to the next bullcrap medical scare. But the Cowards In Company Town who ran from this scare don't even get to feel vindicated. Vanity is not a good defense.
Appearently Jim Carrey's mother never warned him that "if you keep making that face, it's going to stay that way".
I wanna know if you guys on RedEye have called out McCotter on his support for billions in pork for those wild horse reserves. I started liking him 'til I heard that crap.
Respectfully,
Unless you've actually witnessed the change in a child who has, imminently after inoculation, descended into autism, perhaps you should withhold your judgment.
One study, withdrawn by a politically motivated Journal (recall its casualty accounting in Iraq), does not settled science make.
Vaccine injury does occur. And autism is on the spectrum of injury.
Why else the need for the NVICP?
The autism science needs to be investigated – they are labeling normal kids with mild autism to get funds for special education services.
Carrey apparently fears barbers along with doctors.
Yet another splendid example of libbots gone amok. I had no idea that still waters ran so deep. I also find it fascinating that The Greg is now the new watchdog for kids. He's like Clarabelle the clown except more twisted.
Richard Feynmann once gave a speech describing how he never understood why primitive people ever listened to the witch doctor. Given that nothing the witch doctor proposed ever worked, you would think that after 30 or 40 failures, everyone else would tell him to take a hike. Then Feynmann took a good look at the modern world…
These finger pointers are remarkably like the witch doctors. They cause some scare. It turns out to be nothing. They cause another scare. And instead of saying, "You know, the last 3 dozen of these turned out to be complete nonsense, why should we believe you this time?" we say, "Oh, no! That's terrible. Quick, call a good-hearted, public spirited lawyer and have him file a class-action suit…"
great stuff; thanks
The DDT scare and subsequent ban led to 50 million malaria deaths. Third world countries are turning foodcrops into Biofuel while their people starve. When enviro-nuts get what they want, people always die.
The entire "Study" was based on twelve (12) children.
Bad things shouldn't happy to pretty people or their children. It's an affront against all that is right and true thus someone or some thing must be blamed. WHY DO BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO FAMOUS PEOPLE!? WHY!?
"…earnest idiocy…"
I'm stealing that.
Got to disagree about Carrey though. Yeah, he's wildly inconsistent, but when he's in the right groove, he makes me laugh my ass off. McCarthy? Meh. I haven't been into the over-produced, bleach-blond, fake-boob Playboy Playmates in years. Back in the 60's and 70's they were great, but Hef jumped the shark sometime in the 80's. Just look at the bimbos he surrounds himself with now. Ridiculous.
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…whenever a star offers an opinion on <strikeout>important health matters</strikout>anything of importance…they should be given a vaccination of their own. It should be full of lead and shot straight up their ass.
There, I fixed it for you.
That's a picture of Carrey? I thought it was Nancy Pelosi.
My apologies…but I'm not sure which one to apologize to.
the fact that everyone thinks vaccines are safe and good because the pharmaceutical companies and CDC tell us so should raise flags… What else does the government "get right" ? And I'm sure big pharma has only the noblest of intentions….
For me this is one of those issues that definitely needs more study, I personally fear the day when vaccines become mandatory, what then we will be required to have injected into our bodies?
Sterilization shots? Mandatory mood altering vaccines for Fox News viewers? granted that is "crazy conspiracy talk" but is it really?, there will undoubtedly be some congressperson who floats this in 2110
As much as I loathe bill mahr, he had a good point in saying the science is still out on a lot of vaccines, there is no way to know every interaction with every different person these vaccines can have… Once you have your own children it makes this debate much more real… And yes, a lifelong friend of mine has an autistic son who displayed no symptoms prior to vaccination….
Now I am imagining the Carrey / McCarthy edition of Robot Theater
Yeah, and these UN-Euro-Libtards, with the control they exert over Africa want people to send mosquito nets instead giving them what they need and letting them be free.
Dude, you make me laugh.
Well, anything that is on HUFFY po.. does need a "LITTLE" more investigating… that is all!
His misspell of inoculation does not hurt his argument either.
My 4 year old son is on the autism spectrum, on the high functioning end. He was also born very premature (early April against an early July due date). The first indication that something might be "wrong" was not by me or my wife, or our pediatrician, but by her aunts who are in medical fields. This was when he was two to three years old expressing a talent to standing magic markers on end equidistant from one another and visually stimulating himself by looking at his accomplishment from various angles at whiplash speeds, and obsessively reciting numbers and letters. We thought he was just smart with some interesting personality quirks. We did have him evaluated, and we did read Jenny's book, but not once did we believe inoculation was the cause. The doctor at the Marcus Institute in Atlanta was glad we didn't subscribe to that belief as well.
We don't care what caused it. We can't go back and change things if there was something we could alter to prevent it. We only strive to give him the therapy he needs.
ok, i misspelled a word, i am still waiting for your medical credentials, and your research into this matter, and all supporting documentation, without it, shut up, and find me a real expert who can back up your wild undocumented claims. any busybody can make wild claims, but without supporting research, or documentation, words mean nothing. also, alot of people were saying the world was flat, with no supporting information, and look how wrong they were.
Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy have blood on their hands… oh, wait… McCarthy has blood and… eeewwwww! what's that other stuff on her hands?
Wait a minute. THAT is Jim Carrey? Dude. I thought it was Keith Richards.
Hmm… I went through and thumbed everyone up. Looks like some Lib's thumbing everyone down with no comment. This place is getting weird.
Are you serious? think about some of the stuff you put in your statement.. alcohol or drugs??? WOW, that is funny that it was slipped in there with vaccines and vitamins…. I just think that you would put those two in there, what about the food we eat and other various things that just pop into your head….
ALCOHOL and DRUGS are BAD for you and I think any sane person would tell you that!!!!
coming from a recovering person that has over 20 years under his belt I can preach about those things they almost killed me, but vitamins and vaccines… they keep me health and strong to deal with some of the crap that i have read!!!
Yes, I've read the anecdotal "evidence", baby happy, smiling all day long and one shot later the baby screams incessantly for the next 3 years. That isn't evidence.
Alarmism that epidemics will arise due to some parents choosing either to refuse, delay, limit, or spread out over time the inoculation regime is no less alarmist than that which you accuse others.
Um, the alarmism is warranted, because prior to vaccination there wasn't anything to do but watch kids die or get near death and then live with the debilitating results of such an illness FOR LIFE!
those bed nets don't stop people from getting malaria, it just lowers the probability of getting it, ddt works, and works well, but because of flawwed science, africans must die by the millions. more africans die from malaria, than all other things combined. today we have a toyota scare, ray lahood said don't drive a toyota, he wants all of you driving gm and chryslers, he is a paid endorser of their products.
Yeah, they should use DDT at least until they get the situation under control. It's criminal what they're doing.
Who's thumbing everyone down? Jim Carrey?
Imminently after inoculation? Don't you mean immediately? (Perhaps you shouldn't be correcting petee's spelling when your grasp of the meaning of words is weak. Imminent precedes an action or outcome.)
To your point:
I went to the NVICP website. Autism is not on the Vaccine Injury Table. There are over 5000 claims being adjudicated., but the NVICP has yet to make a determination.
From the reading I've done, most researchers have concluded that there is no link between vaccination and autism. What muddies the waters is the age most children are innoculated: it correlates to the age autism usually becomes recognizable.
By the way, I worked in Special Ed. for twelve years. I've seen a lot of nonsense come down the boulevard.
I thought it was Sam Shepard myself.
again where is your research, or actual documentation, those global warming guru's never released their research backing up their claims, and now we know they lied. i am not saying anybody is lying abnout this, but stories of kids whinning for three years don't proove anything, possibly they didn't get happy meals, or x-boxes. it goes to that storks and baby births correlation. if you do not have a medical degree, or actual (dare i say) "peer reviewed" evidence, get me a real expert, with real documentation!
Since "peteee" (w/no medical credentials) fails to address the points re: parental Informed Consent, and the need for the NVICP… your thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm not a radical nor a crusader, I think vaccines can and do work. But not always, and there is no guarantee that they will be effective, nor that they are harmless to infants.
Hepatitis B is a blood-born virus. If the mother is not infected, why should its vaccine be administered to one-day olds?
As far as the inoculation and the notice of symptoms go, in order to be diagnosed as autism the child has to be of the age where typically children play, either alone or with others, interact with others, and respond to verbal commands; this is what they are tested on and you can't test an infant in this manner. Most children are inoculated as babies well before they can interact, so in order to definitively say inoculation causes autism, autism would have to come to an older child that had absolutely no symptoms of autism prior to the inoculation. As a premie, by son had to be inoculated. But even if inoculation were one cause of autism, I'd rather have an austic child than a child that died from something as preventable from the flu.
"Um", your evidence?
Our 2 year-old shows signs of possible autism, we've been spending a lot of time researching and getting different opinions from several pediatricians and specialists. While the vaccine might/could be one of the causes, autism actual causes and symptoms aren't clearly defined. Infact most of the doctors we spoke to said that the vaccine may emphasize the symptoms, but do not believe to be the cause.
It is the booster regime of multi-valent preparations that build up and can & do cause adverse reactions (hence the NVICP).
Do you agree that parents have the right to delay, refuse, prolong, or disperse over time the administration of these medical procedures for their own children?
Where is the emergency in industrialized nations that warrants the so very early administration of these myriad chemical/organic cocktails?
Actually, most parents in the UK would have been quite happy to have their kids vaccinated against the 3 diseases as single treatment vaccinations. These are available in other European countries, e.g. France and also in the UK when I was a kid. This is simply a matter of cost savings. I find it inconsistent that you are so accepting of the "scientific consensus" here, when you are critical of the AGW scientists closing down the debate on climate sceptics. Wakefield never suggested that kids should not be vaccinated against the diseases. Why shouldn't single jab vaccines be made available for people who feel strongly? E.g. before the swine flu scare, NHS advice was that pregnant women should not be given normal flu jabs containing mercury-based thimerosal adjuvant. Other vaccines were available that did not contain it. However, when the swine flu scare erupted, this advice was changed. Pandemrix contained a higher level of mercury than the normal flu vaccine, but suddenly it was ok to vaccinate pregnant women. The United States insisted on vaccines without adjuvants, notably, so did not have to make this tough decision. Do you have single-jab vaccines for Measles, Mumps and Rubella? I'm guessing you do, as your medicine is paid for by insurance, so you get the choice. We (the UK) had no choice, and that was (is) the problem.
OK, this problem may only affect one child in a million, but what if it were your child? If there is any possibility of such dreadful damage to a child, wouldn't it be worth a "precautionary principle"? I'd guess if the amount of grant money for this science matched that for AGW, enough researchers could establish a link to verify it. At least, with the same level of certainty that's going to make the industrialised world pay trillions to the third world (and multinational CEOs) in carbon credits.
i am not making a charge, i would like to know what evidence, other that i heard, or i saw. i don't need documentation to ask a question. the global warmers destroyed their documentation, rather than comply with the law. do you have a medical degree, or a valid research paper on the subject, with underlying documentation to support your wild claim??? i keep asking the same question, but you keep trying to dodge the answer, so i am feeling you are not a skilled professional qualified to make any determination on this subject, as i have been saying all along.
and only when it happens to famous people, can we low life forms ever understand real life ways to "cope" with these afflictions. when they get cancer, or loose a loved one, then start a foundation, or write a book, can the millions of others with the same problem ever know what to do.
Obviously you've never had to deal with a school system to get appropriate services for an autistic child.
The impact of this story is and should be great. The overuse of a small study (12 kids) and no use of the studies that have been done since, is bad public health practice. Of course, no one in Hollywood is actually a public health expert, even though they can play one on Oprah.
The incidence of Autism is increasing because of the convergence of two factors. 1. The development of the concept of the "Autism Spectrum Disorder" and 2. The ability to diagnose subtle genetic disease such as is being found in these kids.
Back when there was just Autism, there were fewer kids that met the criteria. Not more now, just more kids in the "spectrum".
The genetic anomalies couldn't be diagnosed (largely due to the fact that 30 years ago, we didn't even know about epigenetics). Now that we can screen for 100's of mutations on a single gene chip, we have the capacity to accurately diagnose more kids who are now given a formal diagnosis.
Is that Gloria Steinem in that pic with Jenny McCarthy?
It's not only celebrities like Bill Maher that are saying the science is still out on vaccines, it's also folks like, former director of the National Institute of Health, Bernadine Healy.
If only it were 1 in a million as opposed to the 1 in 100 children that are currently diagnosed.
I read them as synonymous, but perhaps immediate or follow-on would be better, thank you.
Your misspell of inoculation is also duly noted.
Shall we agree that it is proper also to, as they say, follow the money on this one?
Do you agree with the premise that Informed consent is sorely lacking for parents?
Do you agree that there is no emergency that overrides parents choice?
Do you agree that administering so many chemical compounds, so very early in infancy carries risks of potentially devastating adverse reactions and should be dealt with on a case by case basis rather than groupthink?
Eyewitness accounts are evidence in a court of law. You are of course free to believe them, or not.
Thank you for your replies.
Good point. Yeah, marijuana is a real threat but mainlining some mercury compounds should be just fine. LOL!
"I speak of Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey, and all the saps at the Huffington Post who by their own earnest idiocy, misled the public into skipping vaccinations. The potential result: measles outbreaks all over the globe – and ultimately, dead kids."
Measles and other diseases. What is it about celebrities that makes them believe that they have expert knowledge on ANYTHING? What Greg Gutfeld has written is true and I would submit that these folks have the deaths of thousands on their hands.
How about the one in 250 who will DIE in a measles outbreak. And that's the ones who are lucky enough to get it in a first-world country with top-notch medical care, the death rate in the 3rd world is much higher. According to the CDC measles is still the number 2 infectious disease killer in the world after malaria.
I am a medical professional and just finished my Master's-level thesis on this very subject. Neither thimerosal or MMR can be linked to autism. Period. There are multiple, well-constructed, peer-reviewed studies, involving hundreds of thousands of children showing this over and over again. Instead we listen to a garbage study on 12 subjects, carried out by an unethical putz who is shortly to lose his license for his poor research practices and a woman who takes off her clothes for a living to make medical decisions that affect not only your child but mine. 5% of the population will not maintain their immunity to measles after the MMR (the number for Rubella, which causes horrifying birth defects, is closer to 10-20%) and all of these people, plus the immunocompromised are at risk from your "personal choice".
Ms. McCarthy is the reason that my wife and I created http://www.RethinkingAutism.com and the accompanying videos. I'm happy that the Lancet has finally gotten it right. Sadly, some will continue to believe that they are the victims of some horrid conspiracy hatched by "Big Pharma" and aided by the CDC and the AMA.
I hope folks will drop by the site and check out the vids. The first round featured the lovely Ms. Leeann Tweeden and are not for kids. It would be helpful to bring your sense of humor, too.
The latest video features some faces you might recognize, including Max Martini of CBS' "The Unit" and PJTV's mighty Bill Whittle.
I always seek medical advice from semi-literate showbiz airheads.
Hilarious! And some people can hear the dead speak! I have seen them do it!
Actually hearsay evidence is NOT allowed in court now you have proven you are neither a medical professional nor a lawyer.
Who are you to offer expert evidence for medical questions?
Parents should always have the choice even if they are religious types who refuse doctors or medicine. On the other hand I am not sure parents have the right to make their young children juggle rattlesnakes so there is kind of a 'spectrum' there.
Nick: Blood-BORNE, not blood born.
"The specter of groupthink alarmism against such individual responsible parents is an odd sight in conservative circles."
A responsible parent vaccinates his child, Nick. Groupthink is allowing Hollywood to make your decisions for you.
Hey, vaccines do prevent many diseases. And I have aways had to sign a thing saying I understand that one person our of ten thousand will have adverse effects and possibly death. That is a gamble I have usually been willing to make. And I am pretty healthy.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Whew!
I was thinking the same thing when I scrolled down to your post. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Damn funny.
"Why do you think there exists the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP)"
As the result of a settlement driven by scumsucking plaintiffs' attorneys. The John Edwardses who also made a mint off of fake titties, until that scam was exposed.
you got that right.
Do you really think that a 1st world country like the US is in significant danger of a measles pandemic? I'm doubtful even if we stopped measles vaccinations tomorrow. In any case, who's saying that we should stop a vaccines? Anybody??? I'm not, but 1 in 100 (1 in 50 boys) with autism is a significant health problem that needs to be dealt with. These are kids who one day will be adults that will require a lifetime of care. Who's going to provide the care? We need to figure out what's causing it, and a lot of hand waving about the supposed safety of children receiving dozens of vaccines before the age of 2 isn't productive. People like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey aren't the problem, autism is the problem.
I read somewhere that the production of DDT is being started up again. Damn, I wish I could remember where I read that. In any case, one Rachel Carson, may be responsible for countless deaths with her publication of Silent Spring and the subsequent overreaction, similar to what we are seeing today with the global warming hysteria. My question is why in the hell do we not learn from past mistakes? So many chicken littles running around.
Given the number of lawyers in the U.S. it seems there's a profit opportunity here for families who took the advice of a celebrity, didn't vaccinate their child and now have a dead kid from one of these infectious diseases.
The lawyer doesn't need to win in court. Just get 30% (more?) of an out of court settlement. My guess is the celebrities will be accomodating to avoid publicity and to put a ceiling on potential losses.
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Thank you. Took me 70 comments before I could say something — which ways a lot.
Because of Jenny McCarthy a lot of people falsely classified their kids as Autistic to get benefits because of the hysteria which caused the epidemic spike in autistic diagnosis.
Celebrities without a GED should not be given public airwaves to spout their cause when they are dumb.
Liked her centerfold though.
Marxism never sleeps….
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Rachel Carson is still being touted as a "Great Woman in History" by our schools. She is definitely responsible for millions of third world deaths. When I see these new ads saying "28,000 children die every day" for UN foundations I immediately wonder just how many of those thousands died of malaria because of the UN's ban on DDT.
It makes me sick. This is the same thing. If people think bans on vaccines won't stretch to developing nations that don't have the kind of health care that we have then they are crazy and even more millions will die.
Bethy, it's not that people don't consider it, but these questions really have been around a long time and have been studied. Lawyers stand to make a lot of money, an incredible amount of money, if a link is found and yet they have never actually found one. If they found even the whisper of the fraction of a hair's breadth of a link they'd be in court so fast heads would be spinning. But they can't. And they've been searching a long time.
Add to that studies like this one that have been touted by the anti-vaccine movement and you start to come down on the side of science. Don't assume no one has considered the link just because they defend vaccines now. I made my pediatrician go over my doubts point by point with medical journal backup before I allowed my first child to get the MMR. I defend vaccines now because I doubted then.
The anti-vaccine movement is more dangerous to children across the world than the vaccines themselves. And, yes, there is a political POV because of the trial lawyer angle.
Tomtom, there is no link. So, yes, it needs to be told to the parents who had shots stacked up and now have kids with autism. Because there is no link, we need to concentrate on other possible factors. We won't be doing that if meatheads keep demanding it be Big Pharma so they can sue.
I got sick watching the enviro-nuts living in Africa in "Not Evil Just Wrong", as they lectured an African woman who lost her child to malaria on the dangers of DDT, using urban legends about the product as their excuse.
Their other excuse for keeping DDT banned: "The jungle would really suck without all the birdcalls."
The autistic spectrum has been expanded to include many things that weren't included until recently. Mostly in order to get government funding. I don't actually disparage that aim because it's helped a lot of kids get off the spectrum with basic speech and behavioral programs. But it's also confused the issue because people think the number of autism cases is rising when it's actually not. The diagnoses are rising because the parameters have expanded.
Not every kid diagnosed with autism is going to end up having to need lifetime care. In fact, most won't. But, yes, McCarthy and Carrey are a huge problem because they have confused the truth and focused attention on the wrong angle, setting back research in the process and potentially causing the denial of vaccines to developing nations since we all know the UN is very quick to jump on the pop-science bandwagon. That's a big problem.
Now that was funny.
Myself: 4 children, 2 grandchildren, superior health. My sister 10 children, 3 grandchildren, super healthy….
No vaccines= No M.D. doctors visits excluding a couple of broken bones, no pharmacuticals, no asthma, no learning problems, no autism, no allergies, no immunological problems, no spectrum disorders.
Real science would do follow up blood analysis, comparisons, etc on the thousands of children who are not immunized. I'll trust God over man and his human error anyday.
But to carry this line of thinking along to another "Great Woman in HIstory", Margaret Sanger, then this death of millions is good because they are the undesirables. They should have never been born to begin with so no big deal if they die of malaria or some other disease.
You got to think that in this life of the next, something not very good is waiting for the likes of Sanger.
Me, too!!!
Your words exactly!!!
(without the Keith Richards part)
The 1989-1991 US measles outbreak sickened 55,000 and killed 120 – per the CDC MMWR 26 AUG 2005 (1 in 450 vs the 1 in 250 I quoted earlier, that number is also per the CDC for all measles cases in the US 2001-2007) A few years ago yes, but still in our first world country and some 17-20 years after the MMR was introduced in the US. So absolutely it is still a threat. Coincidentally, that same 17 years went by between the introduction of the MMR and the beginning of the rate in rise of Autism in the US which started the same year (1989) that the first expanded definition of Autistic Spectrum Disorder was given in the DSM-III R.
Sorry, should clarify that. The MMR was introduced in the US in 1972 and quickly became the vaccination of choice.
My thought was Tommy Wiseau.
"Unless you've actually witnessed the change in a child who has, imminently after inoculation, descended into autism, perhaps you should withhold your judgment."
Correlation does not mean causation.
I think you have a valid point. For the life of me I can't understand the reasoning, or lack thereof, behind forcing an entire continent to live in disease and squalor.
Well, Carrey did Liar Liar, Ace Ventura, and Dumb and Dumber.
Pelosi did, well, you know.
So Carrey. Apologize to him.
Wow Tom-Tom, personal attacks and name-calling versus doing research and coming up with a counter-argument, that'll just make the evidence dry up and blow away. And yes, did a thesis, because I am a PA (though not MD) family practitioner and believe that the misconceptions about vaccination is one of the most important topics in Family Practice today. And just in case, in your ignorance, you don't actually know what that entails, it means I spent hundreds of hours doing research and reviewing studies that show that, whatever causes autism, the MMR ain't it. And yes, that includes the conflicting studies, especially the hot mess of unethical practice and poor science that is the Wakefield study. Or you could just take the word of a Playboy Bunny, since she has been on Oprah and I haven't.
BTW, not that it's your business, I have a disabled child (CP, not ASD) so I understand exactly how painful it is to watch your child have to go through something awful and to want to blame someone or something beyond your control. But in the case of Autism and the MMR, the science does not back it up. I find it damnably offensive that you would attack me on the basis of the fact that there are people suffering having to watch their child's struggles. I suspect I know that better than you. Be careful what you throw out there, when you don't have a clue about the real life of the person you are talking to.
I just want to thank you for doing this.
Not all responsible parents vaccinate their children. Some families have a history of severe reactions to vaccinations and for that reason delay or avoid certain vaccines. Some children have had severe reactions to one vaccine and so parents delay or avoid later vaccines. I would argue that responsible parents research vaccines and their reactions as well as the reasons behind giving certain ones at such a young age and then make a decision that they feel is best for their children. (cont.)
(cont from above)
I do believe there are some vaccines that all children should eventually get, but I respect someone's right to choose to delay or avoid some of them. Both of my children are fully vaccinated on schedule so far but I am thinking of splitting up some of the vaccines for other children I might have and spreading them out a bit. I don't think vaccinations cause autism but I am nervous about other possible problems that come with giving so many so quickly to children, especially since some of them do not provide a forever immunity.
And with this post I might get my first negative mark! I do support vaccines and do not support people blaming them for all ills that come to their children but I think this matter for some parents is a little more complicated than that. There are many reasons behind decisions and I don't feel qualified to judge all parents in this matter.
Maybe we will have to watch infants die of whopping cough and diptheria before we take vaccinations seriously again. Three of my grandmother's siblings died in ONE week of diptheria. Now, because of these "evil" vaccinations, many doctors have never seen a case of that disease.
However, we are spoiled and degenerate and badly educated. And children even in the first world will die. Perhaps it is only right to balance the evil our society has visited upon Africa with our DDT problem.
If I were running a school system, I would not allow un-vaccinated children to attend school. But I take children's illness and deaths seriously.
Yes this is true and is why I have had my kids vaccinated. However they keep recommending more and more vaccines for younger and younger children/babies. My daughter had 2 more vaccines given to her in her first 2 months of life than my son and they were only 2 years apart. And they gave her more at a time than he got (and both children recieved the combined versions of the vaccination so it was a different disease, not just a combination shot separated). And some of these are for illnesses that are minor in the large majority of cases. Where the risks of adverse reaction from the vaccine might actually be higher than the chance that severe medical problems result from the illness itself. This is why parents need to be more informed and more research needs to be done on the effects of so many vaccines at younger ages. Because this is a significant change from just 10 or 20 years ago that hasn't been looked into enough by credible scientists and research organizations.
I'm familiar with your Website. Sanity and reason is good. I'm a bit concerned with the nature of some Autism Spectrum (Dis)order activism. That is why I was doing the research that led me to your activities. I was a bit relieved to find that not everyone was pursuing nonsense. Unfortunately, the left is oscillating between vilifying aspies, to trying to turn the entire spectrum into the next disadvantaged minority, to be corralled into generating more power for the progressive cause. For a number of reasons, the lefts entrenched indoctrination methodologies, that pass as education, are ineffective with individuals on the spectrum. I am fearful that Progressive educators are figuring this out and will be putting a lot of effort to correct the problem ( all in the name of helping f course).
BTW, I'm a classic aspie. Many of my friends are on the spectrum also and/or have children who are. Some have a good life, others not so much. My own life has been pretty miserable, but that life. I have gotten use to it over the last 50 years. I do not want suffocating sympathy. All of the attention that Autism has been attracting recently, bothers me. Many of my friends feel the same way. We feel its kind of creepy.
When I first realized that michele malkin's syndicated collumn was being ran in my local paper, the very first column was about not giving in to vaccinatio bullies.
A lot of smart people are drawn into acts of stupidity.
There's money in it. The little dictators pay their bribes to the big dictators of the UN and they give them privilege and 'legitimacy' in return. There's always a natural resource to be exploited in these places and the rabble sometimes get in the way.
It always comes back to someone making a buck, and not always the one you expect.
The discussion is about the double, triple & sometimes quadruple loading the vaccines. Years ago vaccines were given in single doses over longer periods of time. This was time-consuming for parents and often times too many parents did not complete the series. This resulted in the all in one fast tract vaccine being introduced. Sort of like in the military when you are given 12 or more vaccines @ once. The difference being young adults have a more developed system than small children and infants. Giving so many combination's in such large doses can overload a small system. Should people vaccinate their small children. In a word YES! Should children be given these large multi-dose combination? Probably not. Return to single dose extended time period of vaccinating the children. Err on the side of safety when it involves our children.
As Dennis Miller said a few months ago, "This woman (McCarthy) has hurt more kids since lawn darts."
I agree Nick D.
I am also very suspicious of the fact that:
a.) The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation paid megabucks to embed messages regarding vaccines into that episode of Law & Order SVU (the last episode I ever watched, because of that):
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/arts/television... (note the reference to The Annenberg School of Communication. Annenberg, the foundation for which Barry O and Willy Ayres worked together.)
then b.) The Gates Foundation just recently "donated" 10 billion dollars to vaccine research and then immediately following that announcement…
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/press-releases/Pag...
c.) the Lancet article is retracted.
Someone is out to make a whole lot more money than has already been made, on the backs of our children and society.
We set the scene: The child is normal. The child gets a vaccine. The child screams inconsolably for hours. The child spikes a really high fever. The child is permanently brain-damaged.
When you start researching vaccine injuries, and read identical stories over and over again… you start to get it.
After watching Soros, Obama and the Marxist fiasco that is our present reality, I have decided that I WILL believe all conspiracy theories, until proven false.
I find it fascinating that reading some of the venomous seething passion on this topic of Vaccines, it is almost like reading the Leftist blogs, so I can only assume that there are some Leftist trolls adding to this discussion.
Greg, do you personally know anyone who has a child with permanent brain damage? I do. It is heartbreaking, and it is a life sentence for the parents, siblings, grandparents, etc. The jury is still definitely out on the safety of jamming megadoses of vaccines into our tiny helpless children. Advising against vaccination may be risky, but advising people for vaccination is also risky.
Statements like the above–"giving so many combinations in such large doses can overload a small system"– are part of the reason we are in this predicament. Children's immune systems are not overloaded by vaccines. Where did you get that information? It sounds good, but it's not a fact. Please read this piece, it hold more credibility than what you are saying: http://www.nycskeptics.org/blog/the-new-plague/
billions?
I loved Leann before, I love her even more now! =)
@IamSuspicious, do you consider autism to be brain damage? I have an autistic child and it is anything but heartbreaking. Please don't contribute to that stereotype.
so now because you say you witnessed a innoculation cause autism, we should believe you. of course you have a medical degree, and have full documentation on all the cases of autism caused by measles shots? and we cannot use our own judgement, we need a busybody like you to make our own mids up. so we risk having widespread measles outbreaks, because some may get a adverse reaction, as opposed to wide spread reactions to what we are trying to avoid?
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