Daily Gut: Oliver Stone Wants Us to Understand Hitler
by Greg GutfeldIt’s something we so desperately need right now – a show that will finally put Adolf Hitler in the context he deserves. Seriously – it was just the other day I was sitting around with my Aryan Youth Group/Pilates class, discussing how deeply reviled Hitler has been over the years. “If only someone could get into poor Adolf’s size 7 loafers and understand where the poor guy is coming from,” I wondered aloud – and shirtless, to get my point across.
Well thank the Devil for Oliver Stone, for he’s revealed that his upcoming Showtime miniseries “Secret History of America” will help put mass murderers such as Hitler and Stalin “in context.”
“Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy — these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history,” he told reporters during a press tour, managing to slip non-killer Joe McCarthy into the mix, without causing a murmur.
Now, I suppose “thoroughly” was code for “unfairly,” but he’s right about Mao, Hitler and Stalin – it’s just the way things works, I guess, when you kill millions of innocent people. But true to his blind allegiance to relativism, Stone claims that “we can’t judge people as only ‘bad’ or ‘good.’ Hitler was an easy scapegoat.”
He’s right: you had to blame the Holocaust on someone. But finger pointing is so judgmental! Case in point: Stone claims that conservative pundits will really dislike the show – maybe because conservative pundits don’t require psychoanalysis to understand Hitler’s motivations. Me? I don’t care if Adolf’s mommy never loved him, or the maid made fun of his willy. I had similar problems, and I still didn’t kill six million Jews.
But saying only conservative pundits will be upset by this is really a slap in the face of all progressives. For Stone assumes that – unlike right wingers – the left will willingly accept his revisionist look at history’s greatest mass murderers.
He’s right: as embracers of all things relative, they are crackers to his cheese.
And if you disagree with me, then you’re worse than Harry Reid.
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Oliver Stone[d out of his mind]
stone must be stoned, to do this. we must be stoned to pay good money to go see it…
Wait…your nanny mocked your willy?
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I kid, I kid!
horses a$$
Have you seen it? You'd mock it too.
Oh those frat parties of yesteryear…..
This will be a good test, let's see just how far the left has sunk into the gaseous swamp of moral relativism.
Lets see if this project actually hits the small screen, and if so, just how many people would watch it, and how many would actually publicly state Hitler was just misunderstood.
The reason Stone thinks* he can relate and empathize with these insane murders is because he buys into the main modern liberal lie that life can be made near perfect, if we just get the right dear leaders in charge to teach us all how to be perfect little autotrons.
See, in a warped mind like Stone's, achieving absolute and total power is a fine and natural state of human civilization. They just whacked out and did the wrong this with absolute power. That's their only mistake.
It's not like great intellectual minds of our time, i.e. Castro bros., Chavez, etc. would ever make that mistake.
and Barack H Obama is good with Achmadinejad. And Hugo Chavez. And Lula DaSilva and the Kirchners and Zapetero…
When are we going to learn that the left is good with ALL despots and tyrants, as long as they aren't 'over the top' (meaning mildly pro-US) fascists.
Absolute power is their religion- and narcotic…
It's a deal, Oliver, or a part-deal. I'll stop vilifying McCarthy.
It's now pretty clear that he was right about the film industry.
Willie nicked my ninny !
Hitler did brings us the VW, certainly that should count for something. They're good cars.
This post was brought to you by bratwurst, that delectable sausage that's awesome in a kaiser roll with spicy German mustard and a frothy cold German beer. Danke schoen, bratwurst.
Greg, the Hitler youth do not allow men of your age, unless you are in the leadership, which is what you meant to say. and that is important because word mean things.
so believe me when I say that I understand all I want to about Hitler.
what kind of conversation was Stone having when the Hitler analogies turned into "Hey i need to make a movie about that"? don't you suppose he ever heard of Godwins' Law?
He will also tell the 'true story' of Pol Pot. A country boy who loved puppies and was a charter member of the Debbie Gibson fan club.
so National Socialism isn't the way, Marxism is?
That kind of makes a peverse kind of sense.
"…Adolf’s size 7 loafers…" Don't lump us into this category. We, of the tiny feet, resent that. We are not animals. By the way, that myth is TOTALLY not true.
Taggart Snyder (Size 8 1/2 and fiercely proud of it)
Oliver Stone: He's like a director — if, by "director," you mean "commie sympathizer nutjob."
C'mon ladies and gentlemen … Mr. Stone and his films are all about making loads and loads of money … by cinematic exploitation … some will even call it art … and Mr. Stone will laugh all the way to the bank.
It would be good for Mr.Stones artful soul to spend a little time in a concentration camp or a gulag. Clear up his thinking a little bit. Work Will Set You Free …Mr. Stone
“Evil exists. Evil is.” (Kirk Douglas in “The List of Adrian Messenger”)
When people start to rationalize evil as being the by-product of a bad childhood, misunderstood intentions, someone’s place in history, etc., we start to weaken our belief in evil until, eventually, for us, it no longer exists. When evil no longer exists, neither does virtue. When virtues goes, so does God, then morals, then decency and then society. When we cannot judge between Good & Evil, we can no longer judge between Good & Bad, Moral & Immoral, Decent & Indecent. When we reach that point, this country will be one, great big Hollywood. (No pun intended.)
Mr.Gutfeld, the next time you write an article about O'Stoney, please post a warning at the top of your article. When I got to the part where O'Stoney said "Hitler was an easy scapegoat", I almost choked on my herb-roasted potatoes. Greg shirtless at Pilates class? Sorry, my man, BAD visual,ha ha. Great article, thanks….,Hanzo
There's a context for mass murder?
Poor old crazy Adolph! Yeah right! Excuse me if I hope this film is another failure. This worst is that he does these hit jobs on us and then makes money off foreigners who believe it. Just more angles for him to propagate "Hate America". He will never get a dime of my money.
We understand that Hitler was evil personified! Period! No other channeling of your emotions of inferiority are needed Oliver Stone! Your pandering and excuse making for all that is evil in the world is sickening. Hollywood is in it's death throes because of people like Stoneheaded Oliver. We see you for what you are and are repulsed by it. Stick your communist propaganda where the sun does not shine and go back into the slime filled closet you crept out of.
What I keep wondering is who are the idiots who still go to Oliver Stone movies? And how can anyone believe anything he says? This guy needs to be the Propaganda Czar for the Teleprompter Tyrant!
I just heard about that piece of Avatar trivia, and I hope those idiots do the world a favor. It's high time some Darwin awards were given out.
The key concept that communism, socialism, Marxism, that binds them altogether: statism.
And statism means, that individuals we are helpless in life. We aren't capable of not only surviving, much less thriving. And if anyone does thrive, its only because they've stolen everything they have from those with nothing. (That part always gets me, how can you steal from those who have nothing?)
The New Deal is a fascinating example. The myth writers like to wax eloquently on how the democrats are for the little guy, but in reality, the New Deal was all about hand outs to big business. The democrats are the party of big business. I don't know if the GO is or was, but I know the democrats were and are.
FDR and his brain trust looked at society and said, we can either prioritize based on the assumption the individual is the key, or we can assume established businesses are the key. They chose businesses.
They believed they could key in on the efficiencies of established business cartels and economies of scale in order to form a more perfect society. So the new deal was all about carving up individual freedom and giving it away to big businesses, and in the process shutting the little guys out.
And for some reason, they've managed to revise history to say the exact opposite.
Come on Greg if anybody could use some parsing or contextualizing would be dear old uncle Adolph, some say he was ticklish.
I also enjoy a good brat with suds. However, I still hate Hitler. Does that make me a bad person in Stones eyes??? Oh I hope so…
What if this is something more nefarious afoot than simply Oliver Stoned (sic) trying to make a buck and be controversial at the same time. Isn't he pals with Chavez? Haven't the Left here and Europe gravitated more and more toward blatant anti-Semitism, disguising it under the guise of anti-Israel? Hasn't our president's mentor and former spiritual advisor (Reverend Wright) made distinctly anti-Semitic remarks as late as June of 2009 when he claimed the "Jews (in the WH) wouldn't let him (Obama) talk to me." Hasn't our president and his party constantly criticized Israel and sided with the Palestinians? What about the remarks made by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? I'm not Jewish, but if I were, I'd be a little worried when Oliver Stone starts making films "understanding of" the most notorious anti-Semite in history.
The size 7 loafers and maid/willy thing got me. Bravo Mr Gutfeld…
It is a sad day when a lefty loon can rationalize away the actions of one of the evilest men of the century. "If only he would have gotten that art scholarship…"
"Wait…your nanny mocked your willy?"
You can call it Ray
You can call it Jay
You can call it RayJay
But ya doesn't have to call it
Johnson!
Hey!… I'm told Adolf was a pretty nice fellow… if you forgot about the mass murder of millions of Jews, Catholics, gypsies, gays, school teachers, professors, etc…
You have to forgive the New Left, it often confuses itself in mid-sentence. You see, poor Ollie Van Folly was raised in a household where he turned his back on his father's Jewish religion, his mother's Catholic religion and is trying to reach an enlightenment by garnering empathy with brutal dictators and mass murderers in order to compensate for the sin of being born American.
The New Leftist has a religion, buddyism. This is not to be confused with Buddhism, buddyism is the monotheism of leftists who chant "Bush did it, Bush did it" in a semi-Gregorian manner while burning incense to purify the black light poster of Che in their bedrooms.
To reach total enlightenment, you have to blend the sort of "Hitler was an easy scapegoat" first half of the sentence with the Rush Limbaugh is ignorant and deserves attacking second part of the sentence.
Sarah Palin wouldn't understand.
Of course, neither would anyone with two firing synapses and a lack of 60's acid flashbacks,…but that's beside the point.
Stalin, Mao, little Charlie Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Hitler, Richard Speck…all poor misunderstood and put upon, unfairly treated by history.
Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, the entire Republican party, the whole of Israel…when it comes to being worthy of much empathy or understanding….uh, not so much.
The New Left…moral relativism…i'ts all the rage.
Funny though, if you think about it. Had Stone lived under Mao, Stalin, Hitler…with a Jewish father and a Catholic mother, if caught making up polemics about their leadership…they might have given him to a "reeducation" course of study. Wonder if he could empathize with that notion. Probably not that enlightened.
And Hell is just a sauna, Mr. Stone
methinks Ollie had one too many trips in 1964
Stone should make a movie that would put himself into context. Most of his movies seem like they were written and directed by a tweeker on a 3 day binge.
Well,what else would you call the destruction of millions of people? Hitler,Stalin,and Mao deserve whatever they get. They deserve to be called evil. Their policies destroyed millions and none of them could have cared less. Why Oliver Stone continues to make these projects is beyond me. I doubt that the families of their many victims will be watching.
racist
I notice that Stone didn't include the most evil man he has ever known: George W. Bush. I guess there is evil, then there is "W" evil.
If only
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I think the term you are looking for here is Hollyweird Revisionist: Someone who tries to make poop human
Maybe dum dum Stone can write a film about his buddy Chavez and how he's taking his country down the toilet.
Okay, let me get this straight….Global Warming: "The debate is over." Health care has been the "most transparent" process ever, and Sarah Palin is just an idiot, but Hitler?: Now that we need to discuss!
Every year Oliver Stone looks more like some kind of hand puppet.
As to the left finally embacing Hitler, well why not they have jumped into bed with every other murderous thug.
Come on people. Gutfeld, and several other articles, plus the comments I've read miss the obvious. Hitler, at least, will be 'understood' by linking him to American corporations. IBM and GM were two Stone mentioned, no doubt there are more. Extrapolate further, it's America's fault, and more generally capitalism.
It's not so obvious yet how he will treat Stalin. I suspect there will whitewashing, some blaming on others, he'll certainly fare better than Hitler since one is "Rightwing" and the other is Uncle Joe whom Stone's ideology so closely resembles.
The reason Oliver Stoned thinks conservatives will not like this movie is (I predict) he's going to "reveal" all the ways in which the United States helped bring Hitler to power. Why else would he call it "Secret History?" We'll hear how Joe Kennedy and the entire Bush family personally sucked Hitler's…I mean, invested heavily in the German war industry. We'll hear how American imperialism and the greed of American Big Business FORCED the resource-starved Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor – with FDR's tacit knowledge and approval, of course. We'll hear how everybody in the world knew what was happening to the Jews, yet we refused to lift a finger to help them. And we'll hear how nobody had a problem using A-bombs on Japan because America was virulently racist in those days. Something along those lines, I expect.
Of course, the fact that I just listed a bunch of Stoned's possible talking points means that there's nothing "Secret" about his version of history. Which, sadly, is typical of those who matriculated Tinseltown U. They think they're in possession of special knowledge that us Flyover Tech grads never learned due to our being brainwashed by the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. They are wrong. I wish there were some way of communicating their wrongness to them.
The trouble is, as I commented elsewhere, that nobody is "simply calling these people 'evil.'" WWII is one of the most studied and written-about periods in history. Hitler and Stalin are two of the most studied and written-about people in history. Some of the greatest historians have spent the last nearly 70 years gathering information about them, thinking about them, writing about them. And the history isn't set in stone – we're always learning new things about the war and the people who fought it.
So unless we misunderstood what Stone was saying, his whole premise about history and biography is demonstrably incorrect. There is no "Secret History." It's all out there for anyone who cares to get a library card and use it. Oh, and read someone besides Howard Zinn…
Then maybe the problem is that no one is getting a library card!!! But that's a whole other conversation!
I think that photo is actually from a Fantasy Island outtake…
Hitler and McCarthy are decoys. Stone wants us to "understand" Stalin and Mao. He wants to paint the two Communists as warm and fuzzy and misunderstood.
Hey Everyone don't you remmeber what the left keeps saying about how it will play in the Global audience. You know GI Joe sells better in Sweden if there are no American flags on his lapel.
Well I guess Stone is simply trying to make a movie that will sell well in Iran. I hear Makmoo ImaDinnerJAcket can;t wait for the release.
oh wait … that's a bad thing isn't
Stones version of Hitler will be just like his movie JFK full of innuendoes that have been categorically proven false. If you want to find out who Hitler was take the money you would waste on this POS Stone,and buy Mein Kampf
I remember hearing Hitler giving a speech on the radio. I spoke no German. My German immigrant family was quiet. The women were all crying and the men left the house to talk on the porch, shaking their heads. I was ten years old and completely puzzled–asking dumb questions. An aunt took me aside and explained that he was a "Bad Bad Bad man". My lesson was–never take these charismatic people lightly. They are dangerous. Does this sound familiar——?
Oliver Stone in context —
http://penetratinginsights.blogtownhall.com/2010/...
I understand Hitler just fine: he was an evil man with evil thoughts who committed evil acts.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
So you're saying Hitler was right wing. Could have sworn he was a Socialist which means he was left of center. Just not as left of center as Stalin a Communist.
"There's a context for mass murder?"
Surely! After all, the Jews deserved it, since they stabbed mother Germany in the back with the Versaille Treaty. Also, American companies invested in Hitler's Germany, so they share some of the blame. Because obviously they knew Hitler was going to conquer Europe and kill Jews. Or something like that.
Does this mean the left will begin understanding George "the Nazi" Bush within the proper context?
*snark*
Hoo boy I can see it now: MEIN K*MPFED!! The Zany frat housesque adventures of Der Furher with Steve Carrell as Hitler, Heather Graham as a sassy Eva Braun, Jason Alexander as Ernst Rohm, Henry Rollins as Rudy Hess(to bring in the "hip" kids with tats) and Charlie Sheen as mansexalicious Dr. Mengele bending all the medical rules in a comic tour de force.. Or maybe unhinged Ollie will go the route of such "classics" as The Young Victoria or Young Sherlock Holmes with Michael Cera as Young Stalin: murderin millions and decractors one ice pick at a time.
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I wonder Greg do you think Oliver will go into the fact that Hitler was a Vegetarian? Or avoid it since so many leftists are vegetarians as well?
Will he go into Adolph's sexual disfunctions like Scatalogical and other nasty things I can't write here? Or will they explain how cool those things are since our safe school czar likes the same things.
actually Oliver is quite comfortable with his drug use. Hi whole commentary on Natural Born Killers is all about doing LSD while filming.
But yeah he is a burned out old hippie.
You got it right Cal. In the long run it all comes down to sausage. Beer just makes it all go down more smoothly. As they used to say in Alsace-Lorraine, bon apetit!
If Oliver Stone wants to understand Hitler he should be shoved in an oven or put in a gas chamber.
Not really surprised. Stone is an avowed, committed Leftist, with heavy Marxist/socialist leanings. And, despite the Left trying to restructure history and say that the Nazis were right wing in their mentality, they were really socialists, with their only right wing belief being pride in their country.
The Nazis were socialists, through and through; hell that's what their name means.
Those progressives sure do love them some fascists.
no, I'm not saying that. That's why I put it in quotes. However you ask 95% of Americans and 100% of Europeans and he was Fascist, ie, rightwing.
I HATE Dr.Marc Lamont Hill, For the love of God please stop having him on your show he's nothing but an America hating communist, he is scum plain and simple.
Paul Joseph Goebbels …Oliver Stone, birds of a feather.
would that be dodo or cuckoo?
let me think about this hitler mass murderer stalin mass murderer mao mass murderer all three paranoid all three oppressed their citizens.all three burning in hell. yeah i think thats the right context. oops i am sorry is my hate showing?
There is FAR more TRUTH in fantasy films such as the Lord of the Rings or the Chronicles of Narnia than any of the works of Oliver STONED. For instance, at least the battles in LOTR were reflective of Tolkeins real life experiences in WWI. What STONED does in his films is OMIT vast sections of TRUTH to further a left wing agenda.
What goofballs like Oliver Stone fail to realize is despots like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro and even his idol Chavez may have had mental issues but to manipulate a populace to gain power requires cunning, focus and motivation. Everything these dictators did was for their personal desire for power and they gained it by aligning themselves with like minded creeps that buoyed them to their pinnacles while duping the populace they supposedly championed.
Spare us the bull crap Stone!
Oliver Stone – another skidmark on the underpants of America (AKA Hollywood).
Thank you Greg, well-put as always. I cannot wait to see what exciting new things Oliver Stone will reveal to us
It never fails to amaze me how people continuously refuse to except any other path of thought other than the one that's been crammed repeatedly down their throats. So many continue believing strictly because an up-dated history book, or some 2 hour Discovery Channel special, has said so. Whatever happened to thinking outside the box, or expanding the limited knowledge that one has in regards to any one specific subject? I, as do many, think it's far past due, that any opposing information be publicly expressed. But as usual, we shall see if this truly is allowed to come to fruition. I'm quite sure all steps will be taken to debunk any and all info provided. So I guess it is left up to the individual to delve fearlessly into such a subject and determine for themselves if things are really what they seem. For those very few brave enough, look up:
Zyklon B
Typhus
Gas Chamber Execution (in America)
…good starting points.
Another symptom of today's permissive society where "understanding" our enemies/criminals is more important than protecting our law-abiding citizens.
We must "understand" our enemies, when they are sworn to kill us.
We must "understand" our criminals, because they grew up in a poor environment,… etc.
There is a reason that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are (over)used as examples of evil behavior by people of any political persuasion. Any sane person would say that their actions are indefensible.
'Conservative pundits may not like this movie'
Right, because Hitler might have been misunderstood.
But conservatives? They have no souls and were spawned from the womb of Satan.
There is no contradiction between being a proud leftist like Stone and trying to "understand", if not excuse, Hitler.
Hitler hated Jews; see what the left thinks of Israel.
Hitler harnessed the German private sector towards the greater good of building a totalitarian state based on group identity, where the individual counted as nothing; see what the left is doing to the auto industry, banking and health-care as we speak.
Hitler turned German public schools into an indoctrination system for the Party and its value system; see what the AFT, NEA, Democratic Party are doing with public education and the doctrines of political correctness.
I could go on, but you get the idea.
I can see your point…but…simply calling these people 'evil' and leaving it at that is just as dangerous as parading halftruths on the Showtime network. We do need to look into the 'context' so we can understand how these people and their policies came into power. Hopefully, though unfortunately doubtfully, this will make it easier for us to see the warnings signs and stop tyrants like these men from coming into power again.
It's just a shame that these shows will be works of 'historical fiction' instead of fact based documentaries coming at us from a new perspective. This instantly cuts their credibility and takes away from anything new we may have learned.
Oh, and adding McCarthy to that list is a bit bizzare!
Good one. I am usually looking for the anti-Semite angle but missed it here. I agree with your conclusion… unfortunately ((sigh))
I understand hitler perfectly. He's evil scum who is burning in hell for all enternity.
THERE, UNDERSTOOD, STONE?!
Robert he was right about all these leftist commie sons of bitches. Why else would the put a US Senator on the same level of three men who combined murdered 300 million people? Commie loving Americans are mad dogs scumbags
Dr. Mr. Stone-
Feel free to stay in Venezuela,and do us a favor,take 90 percent of your fellow Hollywood morons with you.
Thanks
Do you remember Franz Liebkind in the wonderful Mel Brooks movie, "The Producers"? His "Springtime for Hitler" broadway musical made the same point Mr. Stone is making, and much more entertainlingly. I am old enough to remember when Hitler and Co. were disdained by the left, but that was before we realized how popular his writings and ideas are in the souks and streets of the Middle East. Gee, this is NOT swell, Ollie. Goodness, how sad!
Stone was weaned on a pickle.
“Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy — these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history,” OK the funny McCarthy thing aside…
How were the other three vilified much less BY history? Vilified? Think about that.
ImaDinnerJacket ->>> bawwwwhahaha
I'm going to use that and claim credit as if it were my own!
Pretty funny.
Oliver's nanny most definitely mocked HIS willy. Also, Oliver's mammy loved him a little too much and too often. I think Oliver found a kindred soul in Hitler. HUt Two, Four, Three, Left, Left NOT Right, Left. The march of the little lefties.
"Springtime for Hitler- The Documentary"
Life imitates art imitating life…
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You know the real motivation behind this. Hitler will be portrayed as evil. But the context Stone would like to push is the anti-American, anti-corporation crap that pays his bills. Think A People's History with a shaky camera.
I think many people miss the obvious love they have for those who have killed millions of people. it is obvious that it is envy and they too wish to kill millions. the greens say it plainly but the rest of the leftards dream it more assuredly.
do you really think they would mind if those illusive 'suitcase bombs' were to detonate that middle America would be missed by the coasts? just sayin'.
Again – it's all been covered by historians for 60+ years, from every perspective you can imagine – including the wacky Howard Zinn conspiracy theory angle. None of this is new and none of it has been "shoved down anyone's throat."
As a very silly TV show used to say: The Truth is Out There. But it's not in secret government vaults. It's at the library. At the bookstore. At the university. On the Internet. A thousand different perspectives, theories, thoughts, objections, rebuttals, counter-rebuttals, crank obsessions, articles of faith – take your pick.
Oliver Stone is not doing us any favors. He's not breaking any news. We've heard it all before. Only a cloistered Hollywood leftist believes he holds special knowledges that's unavailable to the common American. He makes good, dramatic movies. As a historian, he's a complete waste of time.
Ah, quirky world history reference. Thumbs up!
I think a number of the commenters here are misunderstanding. I don't think Stone is going to make Hitler out to be a misunderstood guy or anything. He's going to assert that Hitler was supported by the American right and Corporate interests. (Some of which was true. Some American conservatives thought Hitler would be a bulwark against the nascent Soviet Union.)
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