Daily Gut: Fall of Wall All About Obama
by Greg GutfeldSo President Obama says he’d like to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki – something no sitting U.S. president has ever done. Of course, there’s a reason they haven’t: it could be seen as criticism of a painful decision that ended the bloodiest war in history.
Now, I don’t mind if Obama wants to go, and it’s probably presumptuous of me to criticize him for what he might say there, since he hasn’t gone yet.
But if I didn’t, then I wouldn’t have a Gregalogue, and that’s not fair to me, or to those delightful unicorn voices in my head.
And besides, I can pretty much go by what I’ve seen of Obama already. Fact is, whenever he’s overseas, he tends to translate American success into past arrogance. Plus, I don’t think he’ll go to Hiroshima and say, “We did it to save lives,” because that undermines his whole point about nuclear weapons being evil.
And look at the fall of the Berlin Wall – the most important positive event in our lifetimes – unleashing a march of countries toward freedom. Obama didn’t even go to that shindig. Instead, he offered a video – the kind of thing Britney Spears does when she can’t accept the trophy for best U.T.I. at the MTV awards.
Still, Obama’s speech wasn’t bad. He championed freedom and stuff.
But then, he couldn’t resist:
“Few would have foreseen … that a united Germany would be led by a woman from Brandenburg or that their American ally would be led by a man of African descent. But human destiny is what human beings make of it.”
So, no mention of Reagan or Thatcher – yet he brings up himself?
Maybe staying home isn’t so bad.
And if you disagree with me, you’re probably a racist!
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Hmmmm, first the Olympics, now the fall of the Berlin wall, I actually think he thinks it's all about him. Being in love with your own press is a weird thing to behold.
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"President Obama says he’d like to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki….". I wonder if he ever visited the memorial at Pearl Harbor, even though he grew up living there?
if you think thats bad, wait until the academy awards, i'll be he's a lock for four of fiveawards. do you think he will also try and be a honorary quarterback for a superbowl team? if there is nothing for him to gain, he won't show up, specially if he has to try and be proud of another american of a different persuasion ( i mean republican) what did you think i meant?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki will represent the ultimate apologetic opportunity for Barry.
the less you have done, the fewer the accomplishments- the higher the ego…
In that category the Clintons give Obama a run for his money, as does Joe (serial exaggerator) Biden and the rest of this lot. Generally speaking the more accomplished you are the more humility you project. Let your actions do the talking, as it were.
That being the case the complete- and obvious- lack of accomplishment by Obama is directly equal to his ego…
Obama inserting himself into a speech for an event in which he did not participate–ah narcissism at it's best!
Caught you on Hannity last night. It was nice to see you on TV at a decent hour.
What can one say? The man is the ultimate narcissist.
'So, no mention of Reagan or Thatcher – yet he brings up himself?'
What kind of mention would you have liked? 'Uh, a couple of people happened to be in power at the time, didn't make much of a contribution, and if they weren't slaves to PR would have admitted that they'd have preferred the wall to stay up'? You're straying dangerously close to 'Reagan won the Cold War' territory here.
Just once, wouldn't it be nice to hear an American president say, "It was a war. We won, you lost. Deal with it."
Walking along the last remaining remnants of the Berlin Wall was one of the most memorable days of my life. It stirred up many conflicting emotions – sadness for those whose lives were locked behind it and elation for those who lived to see it come down. It was a very humbling experience – one of those times when one realizes that there's a bigger thing going on outside of ourselves. I don't think President Obama "gets" that.
Obama should start pushing "Obamapraise" legislation stipulating that, at every speaking engagement, Barack Hussein Obama must relentlessly praise himself and "share" (shove) his own inspirational story in the proceedings. Just go the full f'n nine and be done with it. He'd crawl a mile of broken glass to suck the ___ that f'd him last.
I hope the Big O doesn't go to Hiroshima & Nagasaki. He's only going to apologize his A$$ off about the the A- bombs we dropped on them back in 1945. Even though it ended WW2 and saved millions of Japanese lives not to mention The projected million casualties we would have suffered. Mr. President do what you do best…..whatever that is… and stay home.
If Obama apologizes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I will blow my top. Everyone knows they were bombed by dolphins and whales.
Let's just revisit the truth about Hiroshima with Bill Whittle for the uninformed and understand why no US president need go there:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GWY...
We had the moral authority and the right to drop that bomb. Enough said.
Truth over ideology.
Amen Brother!
Gut, I too wish I could watch you at an earlier hour. I guess I should get off my lazy butt and DVR you, but I am so tired because I have the habit of staying up watching you!
Letting that "little boy" drop in on Hiroshima would do more damage than the last time we let a "Little Boy" drop in on Hiroshima. President narcissist megalomaniac doom prophet fear-monger apologist-in-chief, should stick with his a-game……………………….destroying America.
Empty Suit. We know it, the world knows it. Enough said
“Few would have foreseen … that a united Germany would be led by a woman from Brandenburg or that their American ally would be led by a man of African descent.
Few would have foreseen the downfall of the US by electing a fool suffering from NPD* as President.
*NPD: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Our enemies must be beside themselves with amusement and delight. In the immortal words of Venkman: "Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."
I cannot believe I'm going to type this: I actually now believe that even having the Clinton chimp & chump routine back in the White House would be a better thing for America.
I'm dizzy…I need to go disinfect my keyboard and lie down for a while.
But human destiny is what human beings make of it.
Yes we can, Obama; you've given us hope. How I wish 2012 were already here.
Perhaps Obama will apologize to the dolphins and whales next?
Shhh! It was chickens and cows! CHICKENS AND COWS!
I think Bill Whittle is effen awesome, and thats the first time I watched that episode of "Afterburner".
I can't wait to watch it again. Jon Stewarts a pinko-commie douche-rocket and Bill Whittle SMOKED him like a cheap cigar………………..a really nice and informative 17 minutes. Good call onecent
Reagan did win the Cold War.
Fox News just sold-out.
Major Garrett has been granted an interview with the almighty grand exhalted glorious on high poo-bah to the stars…………………………………………………………………..LIVE, from communist China. Next week.
I'll be sure not to watch.
Obama will apologize. Vitriol Wright talks about this in his sermon. Obama is Wright. Wright is Obama.
ROFL!
Were you even born before the Wall came down? You seem to have absolutely no sense whatsoever what that meant. Besides studying German and Germany for several years before 1989, I've spoken with people who smuggled out of East Germany or grew up in East Germany. You wouldn't be suck a jerk about "a couple of people" if you heard these people's stories. Obama is a small-minded, stupid, petty ignoramous who can't even stir himself up to care about anything other than himself, even momentous events such as this.
Our tax dollars at work – isn't there any way Congress can decide where he Does and Doesn't fly and yap?
I thought that he was the current leading contender for the Heisman Trophy?
Great response.
You have to know that he won't just be tossing softball questions, he'll be gently wafting beachballs for 0bama to answer / comment / bloviate.
Nah…after that kickin' first pitch this spring…it's the Cy Young for him baby…
Um, I think the link's broken.
But that would take balls
Let's just hope he's glad the wall came down.
Squint
he only can say that about HIMSELFand HIS election gteat allegory
"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal.
-Gennady Gerasimov, Soviet Foreign Ministry.
"Ronald Reagan ,,,,He was a stroke of luck for the world, especially for Europe."
-Helmut Kohl, Chancellor of Germany, recalling the night he stood next to Reagan at the Berlin Wall, and listened to those immortal words.
"When he saw injustice, he wanted to do away with it, He saw communism, and he wanted to put an end to it."
-Lech Welasa
"I recall his contribution to historical events that changed the lives of millions of people, mainly Europeans."
-Pope John Paul II
Nagasaki and Hiroshima
Perhaps he will give the mayors one of those famous Clinton Reset buttons. They can push them and up goes Omaha and Houston. Then we will be even.
I'm just sayin
But that is what he says! Oh wait, you're referring to WWII, not last year's election.
Will the Saudi King be there, or can he save the bow for another time?
There was a wall to keep people from escaping communism.
People don't like living in tyranny, and they risked their lives to flee. During Reagan that wall did come down, if you think you can separate the two historical events, I'd like to know how.
Reagan did spend the USSR into oblivion. It did fall and Reagan was the one, the only one bold enough to say that MADD wasn't good enough, we wanted to win! How can you say he didn't?
For all your talk, you sure were light on examples and facts to bolster your rant.
When he's done in front of the mirror, and not too 'wee'weed up'.
If they have a real interview then they will deserve a real audience. Fox usually understands that.
If this is just a token to show that Obama is not too hard on Fox people will see through that in a moment. That would be funny if in the first 90 seconds they interrupted the interview for a live update on something like a car chase to show Obama where he fits in the big scheme of things.
RUSH summed up obama today rather well:
"Folks, you do not understand the narcissistic ego of this man, obama. The hardest thing for him to do every day is to turn away from the mirror after he gets dressed."
Empty suit thinks of our Troops as Victims on Veterans day.
“We call this a holiday, but for many veterans, it’s another day of memories that drive them to live their lives each day as best as they possibly can,” Mr. Obama said. “For our troops, it is another day in harm’s way. For their families, it is another day to feel the absence of a loved one and the concern for their safety. For our wounded warriors, it is another day of slow and arduous recovery. And in this national cemetery, it is another day when grief remains fresh.”
You are so right about the Academy Awards peteee! They will give him awards for the films he PLANS to make.
Bon Jovi is stiff competition for The WH Rock Star! Plus, he has this thing about individual freedom that really trips him up if he has to talk about it. Basically, he doesn't agree with it. The Europeans have already been down that 'Workers Unite" and "One World Order" path. How'd that work out for 'em? I would imagine he gives some of them the creeps that remember those days.
Um, Reagan (read: democracy and freedom) winning the Cold War is THE lesson to be taken from the Berlin wall falling. What else is there? You act like there is something wrong with saying that.
I'm not surprised our a$$ hat of a president found a way to make it about him.
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PWNED! Great quotes. Notice he hasn't come back yet to even offer any facts to support his position.
What a jerk! So glad he wasted our time posting something. He is probably like 16 years old.
Just another seagull troll.
LOL! Good one!
And yes, I'd love to have a President with cajones – be they male or female. How nice would that be instead of the namby pamby panty-waisted morons we have nowadays.
Oooh, Mr. Terrorist, I'm so sorry we did something to oppress you. How can we make it up to you.
WUSS!
More like Malignant Narcissist!
The more I read that line, the more I'm shocked that more people aren't seeing this. Everything is about HIM!
How about his line today on Veterans Day, that we can't look to the past for heroes! HUH! Instead of saying something like "we can't ONLY look to the past because our current military also has many heroes." Did theh prettiest mouth in the White House actually mess up?
Or is it another way of him saying that the world didn't start until HE became President.
It's just downright obnoxious . . . and creepy.
HA! Great line!
I am confused. What veterans was the "One that was Prophesied" honoring today? From what I have been hearing about the "World According to His Holiness", until He was elected the U.S. had pretty much been the cause of all that is evil in the world for decades. So obviously, in U.S. history according to his Piousness, all the veterans who served, fought, were wounded and died before His Awesomeness deigned to come down from the heavens and lead the putrescent masses of the U.S., were merely the servants of jingoistic and arrogant evil-doers. So did I miss some change? Did America become a great nation again sometime in the last few hours? Or was the Obama just mouthing platitudes and temporarily disguising his hatred and disgust for America?
I posted this to you 2 hours ago but for some reason it didn't post so I'll give it another shot.
I've visited Berlin three times and I've had the same experience. The history of that city is crushing almost suffocating. Maybe it was in my head but I could swear I could feel,sense the ghosts of the past everywhere I went. Humbling that sums it up. Great city though had a wonderful time. Your right the Big O doesn't get it and never will too arrogant. Auf Wiedersehen ladcraig Be Well.
Screw Hussein, the Left loves President Bush……………
[one of the best articles I've read this year]
http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/10/thank-you-former-p...
He really is pompous and I think he's become exponentially worse as this year has progressed. For a fun exercise, check out some of his campaign speeches and compare them to more recent ones. How in the world do they get his head through the doors in the capital now?
I actually see that as the White House finally acknowledging they aren't the Crown and have to occasionally come down and talk to the little people.
I was in Japan working (I am an Investigator) for a couple of weeks and my japanese colleagues kept asking me if I was going to visit Hiroshima and frankly it was bugging me. So, while on the train with them next to me telling me we would be close by Hiroshima for a visit I asked if there were any memorials on site for the million or two Chinese that were slaughtered. While my wife was kicking me I continued by telling them more people were killed in a single fire bombing before the A-Bombs were used. Any Memorials for that? No? I finished by telling them America was on to them for using Hiroshima victim status to deflect the thousand times over horrors they inflicted on the world during world war two. Nope, I don't get hired for any work over there anymore but I felt much better.
Yep, the whole "world standing up as one" being responsible for the survival of West Berlin during 1946 and 1948 should have destroyed his credibility as somebody able to comment on history adaquately.
Indeed, I have been recently dedicating myself to looking at the contributions of the Soviet satilities to the Elbe River Crisis in 1946 and the Berlin Blockade in 1948. And the results are no less than fascinating.
The Communist assault that was tossed back near the Elbe did not merely include Russians, but also members of the Polish LWP, hastily raised German units, Baltic conscripts, Romanian and Bulgarian volunteers, and Mongolian support personnel.
And this is before getting onto the other fronts of the "32 day war", which included Pro-Soviet Persians, Kurds, and Azeris, North Korean militia, and a mixed batch of expats from the rest of Europe (Spain in particular providing a lot of them).
And this is before the occupation truly solidified. In 1948, I have been able to track Ack-Ack units from no less than nine nations: the USSR, local East Germans, Poles, Austrians from the Soviet zone, Yugoslavs (probably as one of Tito's attempts to make good with Stalin), Bulgarians, Albanians, Hungarians, and Romanians- not counting foreign volunteers and nationals serving in another nation's detachment-, a considerable amount considering the six Western Allied nations that were directly involved in the airlift (US, Britain, South Africa, Australia, France, and the nascent West Germans (as ground personnel and other support roles) and perhaps as many as a dozen nationals serving in those outfits involved.
This above all should show the fact that the USSR did not back down to the united might of the world, but to the quite determination of a minority of Western nations that skirted nuclear war to save Western Berlin, through an obstacle course of Communist AA fire, enemy interceptors, logistical nightmares, and the threats of Moscow.
It may not fit in with the Kumbayaya narrative, but that is the truth. And those who forget that are doomed.
Since I cannot tell if that is a bad joke or semi-earnest, let me just say that it would happen over your dead body.
Why because of the Trio of Peace:
Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and Margaret Thatcher.
The real masterminds of the Soviet Downfall.
The sad part of all this is Prissypants is helping to sew a new wall back up.
As for Japan – I smell another apology coming.
After apologizing to the nation that brought us two world wars and the Holocaust, if Hussein apologizes to the nation that bombed us at Pearl Harbor, committed atrocities against innocent Chinese and was part of the Axis of Evil then this quisling socialist sack of shyt shouldn't be allowed back into the country.
I forgot to add the Mongolians in as a nation that had an ack-ack detachment to enforce the Berlin Blockade.
Three fluff quotes, and one with an ounce of substance. Only an ounce, though.*
'Those immortal words', indeed. That speech is a touchstone for the deluded, but it had no effect whatsoever outside of the US. It was designed to give the warm fuzzies to the folks back home, and that's it. It was a decent speech, though. But it was only a speech, delivered by an actor playing at being the president.
I mean, we now know that the guy was only rolled out for speeches and wasn't involved in anything that we'd normally call 'presidential business', and certainly not in decision-making, so what's his role in the fall of the Berlin wall? It's being in the chair at the time, and that's all.
* The first. That the Reagan administration spunked ridiculous amounts of taxpayers' money on weaponry is hardly a secret.
You misunderstand my point. I'm arguing that whoever had happened to be president at the time would have 'achieved' the same result, because the result came from an inevitable implosion from the other side. To 'win', the Reagan administration needed to do nothing. That's kind of what it did, admitedly, although it managed to waste a lot of your taxes in doing do.
'The One' was always naked, I'm afraid.
Pearl Harbor is a site of great significance in the obama lineage – Pearl Harbor was a major American defeat and more proof of the superiority of the world over America
wow – America may take some real hits by the time obama gets done bashing us and offering the reparations to be assigned by his agenda
obama assured the Fort Hood soldiers that they would have justice – but he lied, as usual, because obama did not provide justice and resign
I was a teenager when the wall came down, and in the interest of full disclosure, my former parter of several years was originally from the DDR. Nothing of what I'm saying here is about the wall falling, it's about people attempting to jump on it and claim it as a victory for their country. It was a victory for the people involved, not something that foreigners won.
since a Real American – Renaldo Magnimus – caused the commies to give up and the wall to come down, obozo cant lay claim to any honor, although he will most assuredly try, so no, obozo is most likely not glad that the wall is down
if obozo could get away with offering the japs omaha and houston as nukular targets for past jap defeats, obozo would do it in the name of reparations
obozo has similar actions in store for the further killing of the American economy to pay reparations to his ilk
Scuffle: You again. I thought you had left. Anyway….
"Three fluff quotes, and one with an ounce of substance. Only an ounce, though.* "
Perhaps, but compared to foolish and bluntly false tripe about the "world standing as one" being responsible for the failure of the Berlin Blockade (when, judging from how many nations committed forces to secure it, is false), it makes it look practically Churchillian.
"'Those immortal words', indeed. That speech is a touchstone for the deluded, but it had no effect whatsoever outside of the US. It was designed to give the warm fuzzies to the folks back home, and that's it. It was a decent speech, though. But it was only a speech, delivered by an actor playing at being the president. "
Hardly, and considering Obama's dismal preformance, perhaps you should rescind that last part before it comes back to bite you.
"I mean, we now know that the guy was only rolled out for speeches and wasn't involved in anything that we'd normally call 'presidential business', and certainly not in decision-making,"
Oh REALLY. So, how does this mesh with the oft-repeated massive military budgets he pushed that you and your ilk complain so much about? How does this deal with the agreements he signed or refused to sign? How does this explain the considerable re-alignment against the USSR from the Carter years? A mere talking head does not do that, and while his "nap-times" during meetings is a matter of public record, it hardly changes the fact that he did have a fairly considerable effect on ordering what would happen.
"so what's his role in the fall of the Berlin wall?"
Ramping up support to dissenters behind the Iron Curtain, openly demanding the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact in effect if not in name, and pushing the Kremlin to the breaking point and forcing them to a dilemma they lacked the will and the fanaticism to resolve.
"It's being in the chair at the time, and that's all. "
Considering the Soviet renaissance that happened during the Carter years and the considerable role that Reagan played in combating it, that seems rather unlikely.
"* The first. That the Reagan administration spunked ridiculous amounts of taxpayers' money on weaponry is hardly a secret."
And yet that- the largest arms buildup in peacetime in world history- is not enough to point out that he did indeed do more than just warm the seat.
Read history before you come back.
"You misunderstand my point. I'm arguing that whoever had happened to be president at the time would have 'achieved' the same result, because the result came from an inevitable implosion from the other side."
Even if we accept that the collapse of the USSR was inevitable (and I see little reason to: the Czar held his crumbling empire together by the iron hand of his military and the secret police until an even stronger iron hand- that of Imperial Germany- crushed his), the idea that it would have happened anyway is quite foolish, for it assumes that Imperial Japan would have run out of oil and metal and thus would have chosen to strike South against the Western Allies had the US elected a president that would have continued selling Tokyo said material. It makes no sense, particularly since the Soviet Union had recently reached a small hight at the time during Carter's inefficiency (count 'em: Nicaragua, Afghanistan, and Iran; which was kind-somewhat-maybe backed by the Kremlin).
Are we supposed to believe that either Carter would have done percisely what Reagan did, or that another Carter term would have resulted the same as Reagan's without any alterations? The historical record does not support that.
While by this time I would agree that the USSR was running out of sand- after which it would be forced to choose between folding inwards or lashing out- in any event, Reagan at the very least accelerated the process, and possibly even robbed Moscow of the will to lash out and break its strategic encirclement.
"To 'win', the Reagan administration needed to do nothing. That's kind of what it did, admitedly,"
If you count the world's largest arms buildup during peacetime, increased aid to Warsaw Pact dissidents, and two of the modern world's largest "supply" programs in Afghanistan and Central American as "nothing."
"although it managed to waste a lot of your taxes in doing do."
And yet I suppose you are in favor of the recent Health Care bill, aren't you?
Apologize? No, he shouldn't outright say "we're sorry" or words to that effect; as a matter of protocol if nothing else. It'd look bad, and Japanese culture doesn't lend itself to WANTING an apology from us or anyone else. That said, he should go. Absolutely. It's about time. Expressing regret that the bombings killed innocent non-combatant civilians is not the same thing as denying that it was A.) wartime and B.) a necessity. "I regret this" is not the same thing as "This was the wrong thing to do."
From where I sit, Japan went from being an enemy of the U.S. to a valued and trustworthy ally in record time following the war – to the extent that their most significant act of "retaliation" was making vauge allusions to us in a movie about a giant dinosaur. The exchange of culture between Japan and the U.S. has been one of the most beneficial partnerships ever entered-into by either nation. So if Obama (or any U.S. president) wants to go to Hiroshima or Nagasaki and lay a wreath, observe a moment of silence, maybe say a few words about "moving forward" or whatever; I don't find the idea at all innapropriate.
I would take that a step further.
"It was a war. You started it, we finished it and we are both better off."
Perhaps BROWN BARRY from the Aloha state will apologise to the SOMOANS for captain Cook's discovery of this priceless paradise and subsequently being overrun by oiled up tourists drinking Shirly Temples, and over running these magnificent Chieftans and hula girls with stoked surfers, bong water drinkin hippies and the unclean masses from the mainland. Book him Baracko. Get off my island you infidels.
The problem is that there's always a significant percentage of people who interpret "We regret this" as meaning "It was wrong of us." And I don't doubt that the Japanese would tend to interpret it that way. They've never explicitly retaliated, as you rightly point out, but an unsettling number of World War II memorials erected in Japan choose to paint the U.S. as the primary aggressors and Japan as fighting a mainly defensive battle — which didn't actually become the case until after Midway.
From what I hear, to visit the Yasukuni Shrine, you'd never know Pearl Harbor happened at all. I suspect a significant minority of the population of Japan has indeed received the impression that Japan were never the aggressors in WW2, and that we firebombed the sh__ out of Tokyo just for the fun of it, and dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki just because we could.
Nice research. Hope it's going into a book someday.
The original Axis of Evil, I hasten to point out.
It still smacks of condescension.
Slathering the rose-gloss onto one's glasses in regard to iffy cultural history is hardly unique to Japan. I, as an outsider, may brace at it but in the broad sense I don't suppose it's THAT differet from the hair-splitting contortions my Southern friends (or, rather, their home-state cultures) tend to bend themselves into in order to take pride in the Confederacy while still acknowledging that, yes, slavery was wrong. And my accepting that General Sherman MIGHT have stepped over the line in Atlanta and that the history of that area regards him far less fondly than the history I grew up with in New England did doesn't mean I'm not glad that the Union won.
Thanks for the feedback. I have contemplated it, but I have no idea what to call it or how to get in contact with a publisher, particularly given my lack of prior published work and particularly given my time constraints.
That being said, I appreciate it.
Thanks for the link. Amazing piece of writing. I thought the Bush-bashing would never end, in any quarter, ever.
I was watching politics at the time, and Reagan was a constant thorn in the side of the communists. The liberals were happy with madd, and Reagan kept saying that wasn't good enough. He proposed star wars and the soviets went ballistic. Every time he did something he'd get them riled.
You may not remember it, but he had a summit set up in iceland (I think, maybe it was greenland) with the soviets, realized they were jerking him around and he got up and walked out on them, got in air force one and flew home. The dilomats are appoplectic and called him a cowboy.
It was constant, this attitude Reagan had, it upset the state department hacks constantly.
For you to come along now and trying to rewrite history is garbage.
I think he meant that tongue in cheek. Kind of sounds like he's trying to point out to how little loyalty Obama seems to have for America and how little he seems to want our success – if making us look bad is an opportunity for him to make it about himself once again. After all, it's always about our arrogance.
Obama has all the symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. (Google it.) NPD is much more than merely having a large ego. It is psychopathy.
No one knew who Obama was when we voted for him. He could very well be our worst nightmare.
Do you really think the Japanese aren't aware of this?
He can still visit with that being true. It's possible to commemorate an event without apologising for it you know. It's called a necessary evil. Also, remember that the fire bombings actually killed more Japanese than the atom bombs, so if he really wanted to apologise, he would have to bring that up.
People will believe what they want and it appears you have made such a choice. Too bad yours is naive and misinformed.
"not something foreigners won" – Why did Gorbachev win the Nobel Peace prize? Margaret Thatcher or Ronald Reagan's role? How did economics play a role? Who paid the money to bring about the victory?
"It wasa victory for the people involved" – Who, pray tell are these people? Just Germans?
Ask Japan the following question: If your government had developed the atomic bomb during World War II, would they have used it against US cities? If they say no, they are lying and the conversation is over. Japanese actions in China during the war show just what their country could and would do. If they admit they would have used the atomic bomb against the US, then they have nothing to complain about.
“Few would have foreseen … that a united Germany would be led by a woman from Brandenburg or that their American ally would be led by a man of African descent."
He just can't help talking about himself.
Berlin is a wonderful city. We used to go there about once a month when we were living near Dresden. We have friends who grew up in W. Berlin and E. Berlin and I could listen to them talk for hours and hours. I badgered them with tons of questions, but I was a history teacher and I love learning about their experiences. For instance, one of my husband's co-workers grew up in W. Berlin. He said that one could get a pass to drive from W. Berlin back to W. Germany but his mother refused to do so for fear of the car breaking down in E. Germany. I graduated high school in 1989 and the memories of the wall coming down are vivid in my mind. Auf Wiedersehen, All American.
I agree, I don't think the Japanese look back at the old Imperial Army with any fondness.
I remember that vividly. I believe that the talks were in Iceland. Reagan didn't like how things were progressing in the meetings so he bundled up in his overcoat and walked out and flew home. The media in this country were livid and thought that the end of the world was coming within weeks.
Reagan knew how to deal with people that were on the other side of an issue. If they tried or wanted to mess with him then he just moved on without them.
Seems like he's completely ignoring the polish ship yard unions.
And the president that praised, encouraged and gave their voices a platform to the world.
Have you noticed how some people will make one or two token comments for the right, then go on attacking the very foundations of our recent history and think they will go unchallenged?
Sounds like a closeted troll.
And he took that even a step farther and bowed to the monarch that sends most extreme wahabi muslims money and is paying for the mosques going up all over the world.
Sounds like Obama is loyal to someone other than us.
Obama, Clinton and Pelosi have no shame taking credit for President Reagan's accomplishments!
Obama is the first American President to directly criticize his own country while overseas. It is an insult to our vets and to every American. Why are so many willing to let an this Marxist shame everything America stands for?
Obama Apologized to France for "American Arrogance"
http://usataxpayer.org/view.asp?Get=arrogance&...
Here are Some of Obama's "Arrogant Americans"
http://usataxpayer.org/view.asp?Get=arrogance&...
"the less you have done, the fewer the accomplishments- the higher the ego… "
This is so true and the opposite is true also, when my wife's grandfather passed away another member of the family showed my the grandfather's Bronze Star and asked what it was and what it meant. I had known he served in the Army during WWII and Korea but had never known about his medals.
He had talked about the wars but never bragged about himself.
It´s not just that he talks about himself when we all know he was on the wrong side of history in the 1980s and ever since. No, he inserts the old progressive obsessions: race, class and gender. Well, two of them. His thinking is so deeply restricted and ideologically blinkered, it almost defies belief.
What has the election of a female chancellor or a black president to do with the cold war or the fall of the wall? Nothing. Margaret Thatcher was a woman, by the way, and a hugely important leader – but somehow he didn´t bring HER up. The wanker.
Of course they would have, and so would the Germans. Likewise, if hypothetically Stalin had developed the bomb first, he would have taken all of Europe from Norway to Gibraltar, Persia, India and who knows what else.
By contrast, the US was the world´s only nuclear power for several years – as well as the largest conventional power – and we didn´t use it at all after 1945. With hindsight it would have been objectively more humane for the US to use the bomb for regime change in the Societ Union and China. Millions are dead because we are no imperialists.
Like Al says, "the debate is over". The guy's a marxist. His dad was a marxist. Any proctologist will tell you that the excrement never falls very far from the anal orifice.
An apology is due to the indigenous, er native americans, ah the Indians that we be sorry for 'your land' confiscation. When troglodytes, cave men or hillbillys meet with modern society, guess which one prevails? No modern man wants to wear a loin cloth, sleep in mud huts, and trap beavers for pelts, except maybe Ted Nugent or Chief Medicine Cow. The Indians were migratory to a large degree, they did not 'own the land'. Property rights were a foreign concept. I'll get off your land when you show me your deed. The land belongs to the Big Chief in Washington D.C. Get back to your black jack table and deal me some face cards Tonto.
It'll be (in his mind) the crowning achievment of his term as President.
Eww. That link didn't really connect until you mentioned it.
I agree with much of your post, but it will not turn out that way. Why get into a situation where you have to walk a very fine line? Because Obama cares so much? Or because it is another occasion for Obama to look good in front of the world at the expense of the nation he was supposed to represent? You either apologize or you don´t. Expressing regret is an apology, adding that it was the right thing to do only negates the regret – not that Obama would ever say it.
And what do you mean, it´s about time? Now that almost everyone concerned is dead, the politicians exchange fake sentiments about things they didn´t do or suffer through? In my opinion it´s about time to get over it. And for Obama, it´s about time to face our modern nuclear dilemmas, not to pass judgement on our history. We are paralysed by one tenth of the problems these people had to face.
Hades, they dropped a bomb on a town in my homestate.
you can extrapolate that behavior all the way up to Ghandi, Mother Teresa- and even higher ups than that. Your in-law saw more, did more, meant more to many- than any of these self inflated dilletantes…
"And what do you mean, it´s about time? Now that almost everyone concerned is dead, the politicians exchange fake sentiments about things they didn´t do or suffer through?"
More or less, yes. Exactly. The fact that no American president has even visited the area leaves the story essentially "unfinished" if only on ceremonial terms. So let's end it. Bury the symbolic hatchet, and consign the unfinished-ness of the story to heaven and history alongside it's participants.
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"And for Obama, it´s about time to face our modern nuclear dilemmas, not to safely pass judgement on our history. We are paralysed by one tenth of the problems these people had to face."
All the more reason to re-solidify our national friendship with Japan. Like it or not, we're living at the end of America's time as the world's sole superpower – Asia, primarily through China, is the most important part of the planet Earth in the near future, and in naked political terms we need as many strong economic and political allies in the region as we can. Along with being our best immediate "Plan B" against North Korea, Japan is the ultimate model of how an Eastern culture can absorb the very best influences of a Western partnership without losing it's own heritage, we NEED that as a "this can be YOU!" advertisement to a booming India and a democratizing China.
Rush had a caller earlier in the week who had an interesting thought. Remember back last summer when Obama was on his pre-victory world tour and gave the speech about him (funny, it's always about him) being a citizen of the world? He originally wanted to give at the Brandebburg gate, but Merkel said no.
She wondered if this was pay back for that.
I've never been there, but from what I've seen on TV, it doesn't look like any body surfing is going on there, so I'd guess no.
Ms. America?
His crowning achievement will be when we have the exact same socialism in America they enjoy so much in Europe.
Then he can rename it United States of Obama.
It reminds me of something I read years ago that was attributed to St. Francis of Assisi.
'I will do what ever is necessary to convert my fellow men to Christianity. If necessary I will even resort to words.'
Where you alive during the Cold War? Because I certainly remember it. And what you're implying didn't happen.
You will never convince me that what I saw with my own eyes I didn''t see. Stay inside your liberal cocoon, where it's nice and warm and dark and quiet.
Were you alive during the Cold War? Because it sure doesn't sound like it. I was there, I know what I saw.
what a guy that ol' Francis…
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Credit is due where credit is do. The Gipper played an extremely important role, but that history is as big as the world. Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, The Solidarity Movement. And one small but extremely important role was played by – put down your drink, and swallow what's in your mouth – a democrat.
Dem senator Scoop Jackson. There was a small section in the Helsinki Accords that said all US cooperation on the other items within the accord hinged on USSR human rights progress.
Jackson kept collecting reports about the Gulags, secret prisons, and torture of the peaceniks. And he brought them to the senate floor, and demanded the Senate stop transfers of aid, technology and other sciences the Soviets desperately needed to stay afloat. He made sure they were cut off at the knees.
The only way to get the aid turned back on was to start letting the peaceniks emigrate. That opened the Iron Curtain, and that trickle turned into a flood.
In Naton Sharansky's book "The Case For Democracy" (which I highly recommend) he recounts a story he heard from a Soviet official who was in the discussions over hot to respond to Jackson.
One official said if we open the doors, we'll be the only ones left. And the other replies 'what do you mean we?'
Okay Scuffle, I take you at face value. Because I know tons of other modern liberals who believe the exact same thing.
And the reason for that is the only thing they really remember from those days is what they saw in the papers, and watched on the news, they really don't know much about what really happened.
What we read in the papers and saw in the news is not even close to what really happened. The MSM conventional wisdom said was Regan was a dunce, and Gorbachev did it all. And that is a complete and total lie.
Gorbachev was just as brutal and oppressive as any other Russian dictator with exception of Stalin. He used his police to brutally crush his opponents and any one or thing that got in his way. There were terrible shortages of consumer goods, he didn't care.
The nice, fluffy, happy, kindly old diplomat was a lie erected by the MSM specifically so they could play down Reagan's role. He was just another despot, how happened to claw his way to the top of a decrepit, old , rusted, dying socialist government on the eve of it's collapse. If he could have kept it going, no matter how blood and violence was required, he would gladly have done so. But he had no choice. Fate simply put him in the middle of the barely standing ruins.
Really no point in arguing with you. You're in a obvious state of denial. Work with a few like you who won't accept fact even when it's shown on film.
I hear this playing in my head whenever I see Obama…Its all about the O O O……..barf.
Some how I don't think he is glad…….
I bet he cries at ground Zero like those tree worshipers on that you tube clip crying at the tree.
Don't you just wish his mouth had a zipper?
I read this too…. amazing cannot describe what is written on this blog. Everybody….read it!
That's really interesting! I don't think we ever got to the 80s in history class. I was alive when the wall came down but I was pretty small. But I never thought Reagan won the Cold War all by himself. I heard that the USSR sucked and was weak because they sucked; we put pressure on them and they kinda had to cave. I appreciate Reagan for not being a pansy, and this Jackson guy for being like, "Hey, look, the USSR SUCKS!" Anyone who'll point out the truth and not be an enabler of evil gets a big thumbs up in my book!
No, it wasn't dolphins or whales! That's just propaganda! They were bombed by a chicken and a cow! C'mon man, you gotta dig a little deeper to find the truth.
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I know that and the Japanese may know that. But, I am pretty sure Barack Obama doesn't know that.
Well, if history was a movie it would be full of dangling plot lines, but that is an aesthetic point of view.
I consider it finished.
If the true and only point was to improve relations with Japan, fine. Not that it will make the least difference with regard to China or India. I´m sure they have heard about Japan.
So why has Obama snubbed India diplomatically twice (perhaps in a juvenile attempt to be unlike Bush, who took great care to improve our relations)? Why insult the British, Czech and Polish governments, bully Honduras and Israel, but suck up to Chavez and Russia (don´t thell me they are the future) and give Iran in effect a free hand? In the light of your post it makes even less sense. Obama is stocking up his capital, but depleting ours. He´s already running for UN secretary general.
A Chicken and a Supercow? (En Espanol!)
(Okay, I bow my head in shame at remembering that stupid cartoon, even if I liked Charles Adler's voice acting abilities.)
That's pretty much the way the MSM and the left in general have played the story. The USSR was crumbling from within, and Super Gorby swept in to gently guide it to ground, and the only part Reagan played was to be Gorby's stooge.
That way they could play down every one as doofuses, and Gorby as the greatest hope for man kind's future. But that's all a lie. Gorbachev was no better than any other ruthless dictator. If he could have used the KGB to kill half the population to retain power, he probably would have. But there was no power left to retain.
Here's what started tipping me off the MSM was rewriting history. For as long as I can remember, back to the 1960's the elite statists of both parties were telling us the Soviets were indomitable. We had to have peaceful co-existence, we had to get along with the USSR because they were stronger than us. So we kept bowing down, agreeing to lop sided treaties, which the Russians never followed anyway.
Reagan put an end to that. There's an old story I've heard from several sources about the arms summit in Iceland. Reagan was said to be ready to offer the destruction of all nuclear weapons by both sides. Gorby wouldn't budge, he demanded Reagan cut the US nukes by far more than the USSR would agree to. Reagan walked out. The left went ballistic, Reagan was said to be pushing for WW III. But he was right.
"Who pooped in his pantyhose?"
no, it works… just gotta play follow the link. You know, Bill Whittle is the living example of "Brains=Sexy".
*MissQuinn*
Here it is now – as I said, this is not a winning issue and Obama is the last person to pull it off gracefully:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024...
Here it is now – as I said, this is not a winning issue and Obama is the last person to pull it off gracefully:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024...
You have to understand scope of involvement and the localization of history. Without Reagan, the Cold War would have continued. His approach to the Soviet Union was the lynchpin to ending their existence. Thus, Reagan won the Cold War.
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