Daily Gut: Why Obama Hates Obamacare
by Greg GutfeldSo Obama is holding a townhall meeting right now (cue hearty applause from a sea of clapping seals) to tout his monstrous health care overhaul – more evidence that we’re entering the hard sell phase of something so unnecessary it’s actually turning our President into a sweaty huckster. But thankfully for him, he doesn’t have to do it all himself–the networks are doing Obama’s pitching (and catching) for free.
Look, with this sort of thing, you gotta go with your gut: when someone is trying to sell you something way too hard, the thing he’s selling ain’t good.
And the only thing you have to remember about health care is this: if Obama had to choose between the current system and the system he’s envisioning for all of us, he’d run screaming to the former. You saw him in that ABC infomercial – when asked by a neurologist (which is a real doctor, I think) what he would do if his wife or child got seriously ill. Wouldn’t Obama want the best damn care possible, nationalized health care bureaucracy be damned? At that point, Obama started thinking like a human again, not a teleprompter, and could no longer defend his plan. Instead, he said, “it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.”
What, nothing about controlling costs?
In effect, what’s good for Michelle and Malia is not good for the rest of us.
No wonder Obama needs to sell us this thing.
Even he doesn’t even want it!
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How can people not see through this whole agenda? It amazes me.
When will the American public wake up? When he's on his 3rd term? When ACORN rigs the election? When he's in charge of the census? When he stages town halls with pre-planned questions and answers? When he shoves cap and trade down our throats with a 3am amendment? All this has already happened or will happen next year, again what does it take? When will the wimpy Republican Party start challenging these easily challenged ideas? When When WHEN!!!!!????
if it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.”
The key word there is always. What happened to his previous statement.
Maybe you’re better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller.
What am I thinking. His family always gets the best while the rest of us get the pain killer.
I can hardly wait.
Supply and Demand. Insure everyone with someone else's money. Demand increases, supply does what?
If supply stays the same then prices do what? Anyone, anyone? They go up. Well, that certainly saved money.
So, how do we dampen demand; fix prices and kill supply. Result, anyone?
Rationing by interdiction. Yes, Wash DC will certainly do this well.
Game, set, match.
Bueller, Bueller?
He's a snake oil salesman, travelin' through town with his wagon full of goods, and marks in the audience to make the first buys, swear to the crowd how effective the snake oil is and how it's a miraculous cure. Then the people will pony up their money, and salesman beats it out of town, counting the money secretly in the back of the wagon and smirking over it all.
If Obamacare is not good enough for the politicians and the government employees, why is it good enough for the rest of us? Keep your snake oil to yourself Obama.
Remember that labor unions will also be exempt; especially his close political allies, the UAW.
Use the snake oil to lube your crankshaft, Mr. President.
I said crank.
And shaft.
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False argument. It assumes that reducing Healthcare expenses will also reduce the quality of Healthcare. That's not a given.
Guess again:
<A href="http://www.americanissuesproject.org/blogs/columns/archive/2009/06/30/if-the-us-passes-obamacare-where-will-canada-send-their-preemies.aspx
The next time socialized healthcare works, will be the FIRST time…..
Oh good Lord! Did FDR have this many "fireside chats" in his entire 200 years in office? Is this jerk ever going to spend some time doing his job instead of making celebrity appearances on TV ad nauseam?
I am willing to bet my life that no where in those 1,200 some odd pages does it put Govt. employees and elected officials on this plan.
I feel so special!
I am an internist and see the issue with a few things necessary if there is to be any meaningful reform.
1. Patients should have more responsibility for minor complaints. This may or may not cut down on unnecessary visits.
2 Tort reform. Lawyers and huge awards only suck money into their pockets. I am not advocating no liability but there has to be some sanity in the system.
Answers:
1. Health savings accounts. This allows everyone to ration their own care. Catastrophic problems would be covered by insurance.
2. Set up boards to hear grievances and if a malpractice case has merit let it go forward. Then cap awards to rational amounts.
It's a numbers game… that is all it is… Our healthcare system looks bad because we have rising costs (for both preventative care AND emergency/chronic care) AND we have a large number of people uninsured… To the bureaucrats nothing matters but the numbers…. Nothing will change, not the cost, not the number of people that can afford to go to the doctor, nothing… but the number of those insured…
If FDR had this many fireside chats, DC would have burned to the ground.
This is sounding a lot like Jones Town
The only difference is only conservatives will be forced to drink the KoolAide
Jim Jones=Obama Hussein ?
We are so screwed
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We gotta take a stand
So far I have not heard a word about these 2 issues and can't begin to buy into the Obama solution and conclude he is not trying at all to address healthcare but only to control a large percent of our economy. He is setting the plate to control every aspect of our lives is the name of health. For example, if the government decides sugar makes us overweight the it will either be taxed or banned, inthe name of reducing healthcare costs.
Don't buy into the sales pitches, don't.
Never.
Ain't that the truth? But look at all the new jobs that would be created by federalizing the fire departments.
I ask the same question, redux. Same F&#&%in question. All I end up with is a headache.
Sam Walton would never allow this
Wal-Mart backs employer health insurance mandate
Charles Babington / Associated Press
Washington — Wal-Mart is the latest in a line of traditionally Republican-leaning businesses to embrace key portions of President Barack Obama's bid to overhaul health care, a trend that could complicate opponents' efforts to build a united front when Congress ramps up its work on the issue this summer.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090701/BIZ/90701...
Greg, you gotta get with it brother, Barry is most wise he was a community organizer and all, dude.
Nope… because he is a community organizer to the core and that is what community organizers do… go door to do to try and sell ways of the thinking that will make our "community" better…
Obama and the unions aren't the only ones behind this hard sell. I found this article and nearly lost my mind!
<a href="http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-aler…” target=”_blank”>http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-aler…
I always heard there were "plants" in the government, I just didn't really believe it , until I read the information here. I clicked on this reps name in the article and brought up his website. Leave an email comment on his site, like I did, and let him know that Americans are finding out what he's up to.
I *don't* think he knows what his job as POTUS is supposed to be. I *do* think he believes his job has something to do with rubber gloves and the American people. This must be what socialized medicine will be like…I fear the next four years are going to be one long, painful visit with "Obama the proctologist".
I hear he really, really likes to roast marshmallows.
They don't want to see thru global warming..er, global cooling..er, climate change either. It's called willfull (sp?) blindness
Hank, Sojourner get his healthcare at the Health Department, he’s a true believer.
heh heh………..exactly.
The MSM has the word hypocrisy so twisted that they no longer know how to apply it where it fits – it fits Obama:
Obama wants to force Americans to use a government health care system that he will never agree to use for his own family. Now that's hypocrisy!!!
I have been trying to get my head around exactly what Obamacare will be and it is amazing how few details they have released. How the heck can you re-work 15% of the US economy with a stealth bill?
Oh wait. . . never mind. Compliant media, lapdog Congress. Yeah. . . I get it now.
Don't they hand out VD pills and that's about it?
Oh Please! At the rate that this is going I will be the only non govt employee just before I croak.
Let him ahve all the fireside chats he wants. The Bible says, in Proverbs "Seldom set foot in your neighbors house, or he will come to hate you." The more people see this guy the more they will come to loathe his very image.
That sounds like the business model for Fuller Brush Company.
Sorry, this is the link that works for the article. My apologies….
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-aler...
From an English version Swedish news outlet: http://www.thelocal.se/20392/20090701/
Be sure and read the reader's comments after the article.
I see what you're saying and I can agree with the Grievance Board concept. Major problem is, the average Alderman in Chicago will look like a saint compared to the members of those boards. The payoffs, bribes and settlement kickbacks would be biblical. If they would implement loser pays the winners legal fees, that would be a start. Trail lawyers would go ballistic.
That part of Chicago that the Obama gang made its own used to be where my family lived. Somehow, it doesn't seem to be exactly the same "community" that it was then (mid-40s).
Mix that in with condoms and, ta… da …you have universal healthcare : )
Dom: You're right. The modern version is "familiarity breeds contempt."
We are so screwed
blued & tatooed
So the goal of Obamacare will be to end VD in our time. What a lofty goal.
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Generally, I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories – simply because people puported to be involved in such things like talking too much to keep the big things a secret for too long.
However, with the Education aparatiche's systematic dumbing down of the populace coupled with the rise in celebrity for no good reason & the "historically based" movies (Oliver Stone, etc), which have helped create a generally apathetic and undereducated voter bloc, then with inane "get-out-the-vote" pushes that increase uneducated decision-making, and finally resultinig in our MSM annointed, celeb, say-nothing pres… I am beginning to rethink my conspiracy stance. SIGH.
Vainamoinen: And every time that face shows up on TV, I hear the sound that the gloves make when the doctor has finished putting them on. "Snap!"
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He and Ray Nagin from New Orleans could make s'mores.
link isn't working for me.
But look at the bright side. We'll all be one big happy family, living in a very large cave.
Good point. I ran out of characters and my next post wasn't allowed to be posted. Basically this is a power grab and all of us should be VERY afraid of it for a number of reasons. End of liberty as we know it.
Does Doctor Obama use latex gloves? Feels lately like he prefers rough cowhide leather.
I hadn't thought of that. They probably have metal studs too.
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Nothing is a "given." How does that make any point whatsoever.
However, to suggest that expenses will go down when more folks receive an insurance card is simply not in the cards, UNLESS, SOMETHING rations care. Without price as a rationing agent, then WHO will decide if you get your care or not?????
Think about it.
The phrase, "townhall meeting", when used in reference to Obama, causes my sphincter to uncontrollably spasm.
Your problem is that you know too much and are too rational. You actually know where to reduce expenses that add NO VALUE.
That is NOT the POTUS' agenda. Sorry, but we need more of you and less of him.
This is true. We are just clueless compared to the Big Moca.
I know where you can direct that dischage. Have you been to the White House?
Sure have. It's not so white anymore.
Now there is a thought!
A dark, damp, drafty, crowded hole in the ground. Now that is progress!
It almost sounds like parts of LA.
But you guys forgot the most important thing – what about Sasha?!?
We're stuck on the hills up here in San Francisco. But after the next earthquake, we'll have plenty of holes down in the Marina District. And if the last two big ones are any indication, we'll have plenty of fire to roast the marshmallows over.
Those must be the RINOstones. (methinks I'm trying a bit too hard here)
Would that make Obama The RINOstone Cowboy? Or are only Republicans cowboys?
i've been in the waiting room at the University of North Carolina cancer treatment center. You park half a mile away, take a number, wait, check-in, wait some more, get called into a tiny room and receive treatment. I have a very hard time imagining Elizabeth Edwards (a major proponent of national health) going through that process for her treatment. And this system is now, before Obamacare. Those that profess to want the best for everyone really mean only for themselves at the EXPENSE of everyone.
Wow. Almost an actual argument from a troll.
Sorry Sojourner, but it IS a given that "Reducing Healthcare expenses" in a "free" Healthcare system can only come about by reducing the quality of the care actually given.
Case in point: Many Canadians travel to the US to recieve chemo and radiation treatments, at great personal expense, because such treatments are not available on a timely basis for Canadian cancer patients. It was in the news last week that a Montreal couple's premature baby had to be transported to Buffalo, NY because there was not a neonatal bed available in the whole PROVINCE.
As PJ O'Rourke said, "If you think health care is expensive now, wait till the government gives it to you for free."
Good one!
My dear, darling parental units were very fond of the saying "Don't do as I do, do as I say." For my brother and myself, it was obviously used as a cautionary statement to help us avoid certain situations or decisions. With this particular individual, however, it means exactly what he says. And sadly, frighteningly, it may be enforced. God help us all.
That's alright…all the ACORN rigging and community organizing and television shows in the world won't save this guy when he's standing in front of God.
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It's all your fault! If the Doctors and Hospitals and Health Care Organizations has paid Obama and the Democrats millions and millions of dollars in campaign contributions then there is no way Obama could target you with the Obamacare. If you had given more than the trial lawyers then tort reform would have been a foregone conclusion.
Remember, the rule is simple. Give the Democrats millions in campaign dollars and you get billions in concessions. And, as the auto unions proved, you can give the democrats other people's money, as long as the check clears.
how dumb are you nit-wits?
especially you Gutfeld.
can you read for comprehension?
NO ONE, NO ONE would force you to change the insurance plan you already have.
you can't have it both ways: either the new Gov run plan would be so terrible that no one would want it, OR it'd be so amazing that it would crush every insurance company and drive them out of business?
which is it dim wits?
again, I have to ask, just how dumb are you?
all of you.
like a bunch of whiney 3 year olds who cry about things they can't understand.
shut up til you grow up.
It starts in your government funded schools at a young age – they are slowly indoctrinated until college, then its full blow liberalism fed intravenously until the brain is turned to a soft stew.
The other culprit would be the MSM, these guys are beyond help..many still believe that journalism is fair
It'll reduce availability and stagnate care. So what we have now is all there will ever be inside these borders once this goes into effect, and the new break throughs and innovation will not happen here anymore. Instead, we'll soon be like Great Britain and Canada with mile long waiting lines for treatments the rest of the world stopped using years ago.
Just make malpractice suits a loser pays all system. No more out of court settlements. When you have out of court settlements, both lawyers make money and everyone else in the deal loses particularly the insurances of those involved causing rising premiums.
If the loser in every suit had to pay it all, it wouldn't kill serious and necessary malpractice suits, but it would perhaps make a lawyer stop and think twice before picking up any old grievance that darkened his door.
I could ask you the same question. You do realize that many businesses view their employee health benefit as a burden now. If a public health option is offered, they will drop their benefit plans because they will see no good reason to have them anymore leaving their employees with the option of buying their own private insurance or going public. Additionally, no government plan ever competes fairly against a private market. The government option is endlessly subsidized by taxpayers money and thus is not constrained by profit the way a private business is the government option also is attached intimately to the regulatory machinery of the market itself meaning it plays as a referee and not a player. No private firm has the ability to do either of those things. As such, the government option will ineviitably drive the private market out of business almost entirely – see our public school system and the robust and super accessible private school system that thrives right alongside it … hey, wait ….
Nagin did promise NO would return to its former glory as a "chocolate city" (you can look it up.
Don't forget – government already subsidizes sugar production, so it'll be a lose-lose situation designed more the maximum possible waste of taxpayer dollars
Signed, Another internist.
sorry – thatwas supposed to be "designed to produce"
She's got money – she goes to Duke
To bad the Republican party is not able to stand strong. Helen Thomas in todays press conference was tougher on the transparency and openness issues in the administration than I have seen Republican spokesman. She questioned the town hall meetings and President press conferences as being fixed questions. "A pattern of controlling the press" "Control, We have never had this coming from the White House before."
Helen has more spine than the Republican party has on this issue.
Gibbs did his normal Laugh Dance
Sorry to disrupt your delusional thinking here, but if you look at another "option" – Medicare for those over 65 – you'll soon realize they have about a 99.9% market share, achieved by driving private insurers out of the business because they can't compete with a government-subsidized policy. Thus, the "option" disappears quickly, which proponents are too dishonest to admit is the goal all along. MDs hate Medicare's one-sided manipulation of fees downward every year. Once there is no alternative, look for early retirements – then who will provide all this care to the newly insured?
One hour after Katrina hit New Orleans Ray Naggin also said the city made it through and rebuild. One hour after the levies broke and the city was flooded 2 days later Ray Naggin said he not be lectured for clustering all the school buses where they would be flooded because Grey hound should shut their services down nationwide to bring there buses to him and oh! those engineers let the levies fail. How dare they huh!
Then he wondered why Bush wasn't helping him that minute. Yep ol' Naggin NAgin is a keeper alright. Yeeep!
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They were until Broke Back Mountain came out er… the film was released.
Then things became well the admins won't let me express it so let's just leave it at that!
If you are serious about having private insurance and the government option competing, would you support an amendment to the Healthcare Reform Bill that stated that private insurance was allowed to reimburse doctors and hosptials at the same rate as the government option? If the government option is allowed to pay doctors less than private insurance companies, then no competition is possible and private insurance is doomed. I expect we would then have a two tiered health care system. The majority of the country would use the government option and take what they could get. The minority that could afford it, or have it paid for by some else, would have any medical they wanted or needed. Important People Healthcare, in other words, then Little People Healthcare. I expect you can guess where government officials and their families will be placed.
I don't care what law Obama passes.
I will not sign up for a government health care plan. I will not allow any government bureaucrat access to my medical records, I will not abide by any court order to go see a government doctor even for a physical. I will not allow government controlled medical professionals near me. If I am sick I'll go see a doctor in the Bahamas. The flight is 90 minutes. There is no way I will submit to Obamacare whatever it is.
The Corporatist Third Wayers will get out of my life. They pass a canadian style health plan then consider me uninsured. They have no way to make us Obey. That is the flaw. They've no clue what they are doing as it is.
No need. They were sheep herders, after all.
The trouble with savings accounts is that any kind of problem is too expensive – I saw an item that said a broken leg could cost $12,000 – that is not even a "serious" illness. One hospital visit could take the whole savings account.
it's fine if you make $100,000 a year, but not everyone does. and "Everyone" does not want to go on MEDICAID shich is what would happen every time you had a problem.
It may well be time to invest in cemetary properties right now then because he's going to be killing off a bunch of folks who would normally have longer quality based lives with surgeries and treatments, but once you give them the dope to take away the pain, they're gonna go earlier and earlier. I think it's time for Hope that Change happens soon, very, very soon!!!
His whole townhall was a joke. No details and the questions were so screened he could have written them himself. Too bad that people fall for this. One of our deputies thinks that he's going to save us all with this plan. But he doesn't even know what Obama is talking about. He's just sure it will be good for him. At least more people are starting to figure this guy out.
"How can people not see through this whole agenda? It amazes me."
Because "white guilt" is blinding.
"It assumes that reducing Healthcare expenses will also reduce the quality of Healthcare. That's not a given."
The fact that Obamanauts keep repeating this nonsense only goes to show how little they understand of economics/production/reality.
So the US federal government is going to make something better and cheaper. O RLY?
Can anyone give me one example in the last 200+ years when the US federal government has ever done this?
If I want/need something, you don't have to sell it to me. It sells itself.
My post vanished.
The town hall Obama had on this was a waste of time. He screened the questions so closely that nothing interesting got through. This is too bad because we have a young deputy in my department who think what Obama is doing is great, but he doesn't have any idea yet what Obama is planning. When he starts hearing the details, he'll change his mind.
testing
…Something evil has taken posession of the small town of Santa Mira, and just as in the Invasion of the Body Snatchers< original version here folks>, the people of the US have fallen asleep, only to awaken and realize they arent themselves…
The question that rarely gets asked is, "If countries with socialized medical care are 'better' than our current medical system, then why are WE the nation that develops most of the new pharmaceuticals and medical technology ?"
If you like CanadaCare you'll love ObamaCare!!! Boy that is a crappy selling point. RedEye was really good last nite, BTW. Gregg Jarrett is a good guest. Better than I expected.
It all depends on the plan you have, the catastrophic caps, etc. My plan has a $7000 catastrophic cap, and that is if I go to an out of system doc, if I go to the extensive list of approved providers that cap is $2500 per year, so I just need to put away that amount in my health savings account.
Its not the illness that is major, it is the cost, no matter what happens to you, even if it is a hangnail, if the costs exceed the cap then your insurance kicks in.
Right now I have choice, excellent care, and little to no waiting. I fear I will lose choice, have my care rationed, and still end up paying more under Obama care.
Yeah, tell that to all those car dealerships that were ordered to shut down… guess what.. that general practitioner that was down the street from you? Unuh.. he got ordered by the govt not to perform any medical procedures, because he's not a UHC approved doctor.
ah… it's not even the court system that's the killer … it's R&D. Plain and simple, the FDA (yes, a govt. branch), needs to get their sh– straight to help make it easier to get products out on the market, instead of a ton of red tape…
then the malpractice suits comes in a distant second.
Bullseye Carol! That would make a GREAT episode of the Obamas at IOwnTheWorld.com!
Medicare.
Medicare will run out of money in about 8 years.
next….
It's mostly arrogance that's driving this. Government run health care doesn't work as well as our current system. One needs only to look where it's in place now to see ample evidence of that. But Obama thinks everything he touches is gold.
Also, there are around 40 million people without insurance. About 250 million that do. So do the math, you're going to screw up things for the vast majority to make the minority happy. You have to be totally brain dead to think this is a good idea.
Not true.
First of all, there's the myth that healthcare isn't rationed now, only the rationing is done now by a faceless insurance company–and how do you appeal? By going to a mediator hired by the insurance company. Good luck there.
Second, costs will be reduced by removing the need for the insurer to constantly increase profits and pay exorbitant salaries to executives. The CEO of UnitedHealthcare made $1.6 BILLION dollars last year. How many denied procedures does it take to pay that salary?
Third, a national plan gives the single insurer much more clout in negotiating the cost of medicines and treatments.
Fourth, a national plan would reduce the bureaucracy medical providers need to deal with. I've seen estimates that as much as 33% of health costs are administrative, as health providers deal with all the different forms and procedures form the hodge podge of different insurers.
Fifth, people who are currently not covered and get only emergency treatments (costing the rest of us $45 BILLION a YEAR) will get more preventative treatment, reducing those costs.
Now, the effectiveness of any of this depends on what bill gets through Congress, but to argue that somehow the current system is efficient and there's nowhere to trim, is either naive or dogmatic, but not based in reality.
That's because of escalating costs of healthcare, not inefficiencies in the Medicare system. Medicare is run much less expensively than comparable private insurers.
Oh that's a big part of things too. I understand fully. My husband works in QC for animal pharma. He has to know APHIS, EU, Japanese, Chinese protocals for all the products plus all the various combinations of the aabove standards used by all the other markets worldwide. You wouldn;t believe some of the stories he comes home with. The thing is that any company that is serious about having a good product and maintaining a good reputation with its customer will test to stay ahead of any regulations and test to make sure they put out a sound product that conforms to their specified standards. It's the few bad apples or the unintended consequences that don't get caught in the approval process that wind up adding extra burdens to everyone.
I actually agree with most of this. It's a shame Republicans are so intent on saying NO to everything, or suggestions like these might actually have a chance to get into the bill.
I'd support that amendment.
In fact, our local talk radio guy, Chris Stigall dug up part of interview with Kathleen Sebelius from 2007 where she in fact outlined how she would socialize all of America's health care which was her admitted and stated goal in the interview. She said that they could never just switch to a totally socialized system all at once because the American people wouldn't allow it, but if they insituted a "reform" with a public option, the public option would gradually undercut the private insurance market eventually leaving America with a completely socialized, single payer system. And, oh look, what are they attempting to ram through Congress right now?
I thought the eco-mentals think we have an overpopulation problem, get rid of VD and there goes a major cause of sterility and death. Dang mixed messages from the lefties…
Debunking Canadian health care myths
http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_12523427
He has to counter all the Republican "experts" who dominate the "news" shows.
Actually, the AMA and the major healthcare organizations are working to gut the legislation.
I do not doubt that in the least. This legisaltion will likely cost them time, money and frustration.
We can trade websites all day. But the fact is that socialized healthcare does not work as well as the system we have now.
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If the innovations are not released here, then where? The companies can spend so many tons of money developing things, getting them accepted and available for sale, that to be profitable they need them making profits right away. The biggest markets with the most potential for profit currently have socialized medicine with delayed introduction of new stuff and minimal sales when they finally allow them, except for the US. While there are certain clinics in the world those with money will flock to for non-FDA-approved treatments, like those who used to offer fetal sheep cell injections but have switched to embryonic stem cells, that hardly seems a major long-term growth market nor one they want to be associated with.
When companies are no longer rewarded for innovation, why would they still innovate? Another Atlas Shrugged moment.
http://www.expatfocus.com/expatriate-canada-healt...
The only ones bitching about our system are the people who don't have insurance. So what people like you want to do is ruin the system for over 250 million people to make 40 million happy.
It's just a bad idea and it's been proven to not be as good as our current system.
What news are you watching? It cannot be ABC, they just got done putting on their Health Care Plan infomercial, sent straight from the White House.
And what is the problem with that? By the time the administration finishes up, those who wish to help others through medicine will make more money for less work as veterinarians.
The U.S. spends more than double than any other country for healthcare, and ranks near the bottom of industrialized countries in objective measures like deaths at birth and life expectancy.
And just for the record, it owuld only be "soicalized" medicine if the healthcare professionals worked directly for the government, which is not part of the plan (unless you believe now that heatlhcare professionals work directly for the insurance companies).
Wrong
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Look, the fact of the matter is that if you're going to say that Canada's healthcare system is better, then why are they coming here for care and not the other way around?
Health care means taking care of your health. Proper diet and exercise. Get it?
You miss the basic point, simple reforms like these alone will take care of the health care problem. There is no need for them to "get into" the bill when they themselves are all that is needed.
Tort reform is THE basic issue, the medical providers are running scared. I and countless others have seen in our own care just how much more testing and procedures are done as "preventative care" that are really "prevent me from getting sued" care. The careful documenting that everything was done to diagnose any possible cause alone drives up administrative costs. The lawyers are the root of what is driving up costs. Even now that the "link" between issues during birthing and cerebral palsy has been debunked, that numerous studies have show childhood vaccines safe and not causing autism, the lawyers are STILL running TV ads to bring in clients.
And when have Republicans said no to everything? Suggestion one, heath savings accounts, were signed into law by President Bush in 2003. They need to be beefed up into a better alternative. Suggestion two, tort reform and malpractice review boards, has also been given credence by various Republicans.
The administration plans are akin to immediately cutting off a leg to "cure" an infected toe. There are many solutions to try long before resorting to "The Only Solution," which is sure to provide tons of complications by itself.
"Medicare."
LOL! You are kidding, right?
Do you even know how Medicare works? It is just like Social Security. It takes taxes from young people and uses it to pay for medicine for old people. That doesn't make anything cheaper, it just makes someone else pay for it. Of course, when the number of young people starts to shrink, Medicare, like any good pyramid scheme, starts to run out of money.
Thank you for the excellent demonstration on typical liberal non-understanding of economics.
You're certifiably nuts, aren't you? The experts from the news shows and Obama should get a room for their love-making. Oh, wait, they can all share the ABC wing of the White House.
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And when the moderation beast strikes, the registered can immediately Delete the message then try again. If you are not registered, please do not immediately try again. If the comment is good it will show up eventually. The duplicate posts get annoying.
Please define these escalating costs.
Bullshit. Medicare is rampant with fraud. Golden rule: If the government puts up money for a program, the ants always find the sugar.
Are you going to keep digging? Your hole is getting pretty deep.
If you have the time and money to go to a gym, offhand it seems likely you are not one of those most worried about having proper heath care. Plus there is the problem of beforehand looking good enough to go to the meat market, er, gym.
Proper diet can be a fun issue. Processed food is cheap, to make healthier meals takes more time and money. After working a long tiring day then going home to watch the kids, that McDonald's Dollar Menu looks very tempting. I await the coming of the Little Mac, half the size but only a buck. Man, I could eat three of those. That would be healthy since I would skip the fries, right?
and the key to Health Savings accounts is being SMART enough to fully fund it every year, so that when you eventually need it, whether due to an accident or just getting old enough that you develop ongoing health issues, you have the money to cover your costs. Just think, being self reliant! Something too many Americans have forgotten.
Bowm chicka wow wow chicka wow wow
right after he's told us to bend over…
You get what you pay for
Correction, only poor conservative who can't afford health care will be forced to drink the kool aid. A small concession (swallowing your pride) when you need medical treatment which you previously couldn't afford.
Wrong. They want to offer an alternative to those who don't have the money. For those who do have the money, nothing changes. Elzabeth Edwards' life is not affected, only those far less fortunate than her will be.
I thought that the campaigning is over.. another town hall meeting…. damn, his only agenda is campaigning. I think that if this bill does get passed and he turns our healthcare system into Obamacare… our MEDICAL INDUSTRY is going to be passed by almost ever THIRD WORLD country out there in a matter of years….. this is truly the decline of the western civilization…. I lived in the UK for a few years and was ASTOUNDED by there poor health care system…
Medicare is less expensive because of "cost shifting" – the Government does not pay Doctors and hospitals as much as the procedures cost, and the remaining cost is shifted to insured patients. That is why private insurers pay more.
Your car insurance goes up because no-fault insurance allows deadbeats to drive uninsured. Are the deadbeats saving money over the insured driver? Yes, but does that mean if everyone were to drop their insurance we would have a less expensive system? No – someone has to pay, and in this case, the insured motorist pays more. Same thing with Medicare.
Medicare is not less expensive, it just doesn't pay its full share of the cost.
So, when it is all gubmint-run, where is the cost shifted? Taxes, baby, taxes.
I dated a Canadian and she was so glad to come over the border to Washington for her healthcare. She was a single mom and the perfect candidate for Canadian/Obama-care supporters. But she hated it for the exact reasons that are brought up.
Bureaucracy declines under a government plan? when did that ever happen?
It's due, partially, to fraud. The costs skyrocket just because it's a government plan.
There are millions that aren't bitching about it. Their advocates are. You know? The one's that know what's good for us. Whether we like it or not.
King Barack and Queen Michelle and their pampered princesses will never have to wait in the queue for medical care the way the rest of us will. And neither will Teddy, Hairy (sic) Reid, Nazi (sic) Pelosi or any of the other governing elite. There will be special hospitals for them just as there are the Harley Street physicians for the well-heeled Brits, just as there were special hospitals for the Politburo in the old USSR, just as the Canadians who can afford to come to America for medical treatment.
And probably 1/2 of the so-called 40Million don't want it.
__"to argue that somehow the current system is efficient and there's nowhere to trim, is either naive or dogmatic, but not based in reality. "
1. Straw dog argument: Nobody here is saying the present system is perfect. It really sucks, particularly since there is already too much government interference due to Medicaire and Medicaid. However, it still happens to be better than the socialized medicine practiced elsewhere, which is why so many Canadians and Europeans come here for specialized care. Private insurers at least have to worry about looking bad to the competition. How are you going to fare appealing through a mediator HIRED BY THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT TURNS YOU DOWN?
2.Removing profit motive does not result in lower costs. Medicare and the VA have exploding budgets and still provide unsatisfactory care.
3. That ability of the government to have "much more clout in negotiating the cost of medicines and treatments." is precisely the most disastrous piece of this crap sandwich. The government monopoly will dictate the price to doctors and hospitals, who will have only the option of compying or getting out of the business.
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4.Yeah. The Federal agency will "reduce the bureaucracy." Can you really say that with a straight face?
5. Ah, the "Preventative Care" boondogle. Yup, all those winos, drug addicts, illegal aliens, and mentally ill patients off their medications who clog the emergency rooms are going to jump at the chance to get lectures on healthy diets and exercise tips.
Which broaches on the crowning turd in this punch-bowl: once the government gives you healthcare, it can start telling you, in the interests of "preventative care", how to live your life. They will have the authority to do so because your personal choices will have consequences to the cost of the program. You can kiss your personal liberty (and your ass) good-bye.
You really are in a mental circle-jerk here.
Medicare runs up medical costs by setting a ceiling on prices medical providers can charge Medicare for the services Medicare compels them to provide. Providers then must seek to recoup their losses by charging higher prices to private insurers, who must pass it on to their customers. Then idiots like you blame the private insurers for escalating costs.
You have my prayers for the success of your treatments.
Your amendment would still result in doctors and hospitals being forced to accept price ceilings on their services, with the added handicap of no more option to pass those costs on to private insurers. That's a benefit to the insurers, but not to the actual providers of the benefits. It will force more doctors to retire early, and more hospitals to close down.
You can't get around the law of supply and demand. Health care costs are escalating BECAUSE of government efforts of "cost-cutting", not in spite of it. ObamaCare is attempting to put out a fire by dumping on more gasoline.
What, the agenda of helping the disadvantaged? You disgusting Republican – you don't care about anyone but your self blah blah blah blah blah…
People don't see through it bc it's presented as the caring thing, as opposed to the evil selfish thing. People assume it is what it's presented to be and don't ask questions about how or how much.
LOL, 3rd term!
I know, I laugh now…
Dude, Obama doesn't have to do any work. He already knows what's best for us – he's probably known since waaaay before he got scooped up by Ayers and Friends to be the poster boy for change.
Catastrophic care premiums are cheap. What makes employer-provided healthcare so expensive is the co-pay provisions. When I COBRA'd my State employment healthcare 5 years ago, I was shocked to discover that coverage for my wife and I was almost $1000.00/month. I was able to get a catastrophic care plan for us for less than $100.00/month.
If my employer had been able to offer me that extra $800/month to put in a MSA, I'd have been able to self-insure for anything other than what the catastrophic care would cover. And I would have the added benefit of being able to pick and choose my own care.
What will ultimately drive down the costs of health care will be a return to giving individuals the power to make their OWN choices. ObamaCare will take us in the opposite direction.
Four great points Doc.
On number 1…. If auto insurance worked like medical insurance, we would all file claims for oil changes, wiper blades and trips to the car wash.
I absolutely agree. He's thinking, "it's never worked before, but that's 'cause I wasn't in charge before!" *cough*HUBRIS*cough*
I agree. I guess my point is that they would NEVER allow such an amendment in Congress. In order to keep the cost of the government program anywhere short of astronomical they need lots and lots of paying customers. I expect they will transfer costs from government programs to the private insurance programs in the same way Medicare and Medicaide do now. Once private insutance disappears for all but the rich or 'important', those actually paying money into the government insurance will see steadily rising dues so that the government can give the insurance to as many people as possible.
I expect to see a two tier health care system if this effort is not stopped. Tier one will be rich and 'important' people, such as our elected leaders. People covered by this tier will get any medical procedure that will or even might help. Tier two, the government health care program, the little people plan, will feature rationed care. More than half of the people on this plan will pay no dues, just like they do not pay income taxes. The cost of the program will be the burden of all those not covered by the Important People health care.
The ultimate monopoly is the Gub'mint
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