Daily Gut: I Don’t Care About Tiller’s Murder
by Greg GutfeldSo, as usual this morning, I’m on the stairclimber at the gym, watching CNN devote what seems like an entire morning on the death of George Tiller (no wonder their ratings are in the toilet). Remember, this isn’t just any abortion doctor – he’s like a hall-of-famer, late-term baby disposal unit – popping them off just as they cross the finish line.
But no matter, as I watch CNN’s in depth coverage – the kind you’d never see them give to the murder of a soldier by a Muslim convert – I kept obsessing over one thing.
Am I wrong for not caring?
I mean, I know that soon there will be a movie about Tiller (not about William Long, of course), probably starring walking hairpiece Ted Danson. But I still don’t care. I mean, I know that killing Tiller is wrong. It’s murder. And if you’re against the killing of unborn children, you can’t just go out and kill a man, even if he kills unborn children.
But that still doesn’t explain why I don’t care. And I’m willing to bet that the rest of America – save the media – don’t care much either.
Why is that? It’s not about Tiller’s murder being wrong. I get that. That’s not the issue. This issue is, when you make priorities of “stuff that’s wrong” – is it more wrong to kill a dumpster full of viable babies, than to kill the doc who fills that dumpster?
And by posing that question, does that make me a crazy pro-lifer? I mean, I don’t march outside clinics waving grotesque posters of dead fetuses. I don’t hand out equally graphic pamphlets. I keep to myself mostly, and drink boxed wine.
But I do have some definition of what being “pro-life” is. It goes like this: if you look at the people you love – your child, your sister, your spouse – and cannot imagine them never being born, then you’re a prolifer. But if you can imagine your loved ones never being alive – then congrats, you’re a pro choicer – and I admire your gumption. Oddly, I’ve never met a pro-choice advocate who can say she wished she’d aborted her obviously adorable child (I’m still waiting!).
Anyway, before you call me a callous bastard for my ambivalence over Tiller’s murder, realize I already beat you to it. I am a callous bastard. But I guess, as Obama often points out, it’s all about empathy.
It reminds me of an old joke I wrote:
Knock knock!
Who’s there?
You’ll never know!
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The reason the media is hyper-focusing on Tiller's murder is that it allows them to redemonize pro-life folks. They'd done a good job of it during the 80s and 90s, but then everything quieted down. The Pro-Life folks had wised up, and begun using new, much more effective, tactics. The media and pro-abortion "rights" folks couldn't handle the new tactics, but when something happens that fits the old template about pro-lifers, they're all over it, screaming and screeching, trying to get folks to stop listening to the Pro-life folks and only listening to them.
It's their standard tactic on all matters. Make sure people listen to only them, because when both sides have equal say, Statists and Democrats loose, and Conservatives win.
George Tiller was not a 'health care provider' (AP release) or 'defender of womens reproductive rights' (LA TImes) and especially not a 'hero' (NY Times)…
He was Tiller the baby killer. There are four (!) other doctors in the entire US that do 3rd trimester abortions; nascent human beings being brutally slaughtered because the mother can't fit in her prom dress, or can't go to a concert. Over 75% of those polled are against this procedure and it is illegal in 36 states.
His motive was pure and simple. Money, and lots of it. He lived extremely well, making millions on this abhorrent practice. While vigilantism is wrong, and the perpetrator must face justice, know that there is a special place in Hell for the late and unlamented George Tiller. That he was killed close to a church only heightens the irony…
People are murdered everyday. It is wrong, but the only reason CNN obsesses over it is because abortion is such a hot button for them. I guess I feel no different about Tiller than anybody else who is murdered and I sure as hell don't want to hear liberal screed about "hate" crimes.
It's ironic that the same hypocritical Liberal chaff who mock our brave soldiers, cursing them and falsely calling them "baby killers," now weep and lay flowers at the grave of the REAL baby killer.
Demonizing the pro-life folks would be a little harder if Greg did not just declare that he didn't care about this doc's murder. I mean seriously, this is America. We are a nation of laws. People do dispicable things all the time, some legal, some not. What this doctor did was legal. Ending his life does not really do anything for our side, except to make people think erroneously that we are in fact the nutso's CNN claims we are.
This was a setback for pro-life, the sooner we realize it, the sooner we stop the inevitable backlash from regular compassionate Americans.
I have been looking all over the Blogosphere and Twitter, I have never seen more hateful people, more than even those with B.D.S. And to top it off, NARAL and other Pro-Abortionist are using tiller's death to raise money to kill even more babies.
I know how you feel. I'm not upset about the Tiller killing either (but I'd feel a lot better about myself if I was).
Still, I wish that hadn't happened. In fact, I have to contradict what I just said – I'm furious that he's been killed, because now the dictator in training and his minions in D.C. will feel they have justification for harassing pro lifers. I guess I'm torn.
I feel even more sorry for his family now than I did before – heck, they're whole lifestyle came from the blood of the babies he killed, now he's gone. I know they're going to miss him and I'm sorry for their loss, but I'm not sorry he's not around to kill any more babies.
BTW, I REALLY LOVE this quote:
if you look at the people you love – your child, your sister, your spouse – and cannot imagine them
never being born, then you’re a prolifer.
Excellent!
And here I was, thinking I was the only one thinking this.
Well! Then let me add to Greg's story, I DON'T CARE EITHER!
I consider myself more pro-choice than pro-life despite being a conservative. However, I am firmly AGAINST late-term abortions unless and until someone can prove to me why the baby can't just be "taken" by emergency C-section if the mother's life is in danger (and just being depressed [been there done that] or whatever other lame excuses these women use, does not mean their "life is in danger). I mean, taking the baby mostly out and then killing it, when it is otherwise fully formed (they only need to put on weight and finish their lung development), is just DISGUSTING, AWFUL, HIDEOUS.
That being said, I'm with you Greg, I just don't care. It was wrong to kill him, yes. But I just don't care.
And yes there is a special place in Hell for him.
BTW, it says something about the feelings of most doctors about late term abortions when he was only one of FOUR that were doing it.
What a thoughtful and witty comback there, Dan. Knew how to do all caps too.
Witty? Really, you thought that was witty? How about PASSIONATE!
Add me to the Callous bast*rd list.
The fact that he was one of only like 4 people in the entire country who would do this procedure speaks volumes about both him and the procedure. (yeah I know someone will say "he's a principled man" or "he was so brave", but excuse me while i listen to someone who's not crazy as an out-house rat)
His murderer hurts the cause. I'm a big believer in not handing the opposition the bat to with which to bash your head in. (I hope he rots in hell too, by the way)
"he’s like a hall-of-famer, late-term baby disposal unit – popping them off just as they cross the finish line."
Maybe it's wrong to laugh (someone leave the light on in hell for me). But that's funny!
And Greg don't feel bad because you don't feel bad. One "whacko" killed another "whacko"! End of story….
Right now Tiller is sitting next to Satan and his boyfriend Saddam in Hell, and Satan, in a state of disbelief, is asking Tiller again, "You did what for a living"?
No sympathy here…..Move along…………..
This is an interesting viewpoint. A domestic terrorist (Michelle Malkin's term) vandalizes two sites and kills an American citizen, and ominously warns that more attacks are coming, and other American citizens collectively yawn or even praise the terrorist. I would assume at least some of you are the ones who claim that the Muslim community doesn't do enough to decry radical Islamic terrorists. Go over your rationalizations about why you don't or shouldn't care, and you will better understand.
(And before you say it, I'm not saying the worldwide Islamic community sees Americans as baby-killers, but for their own various reasons, including "I'm not a radical, why should I apologize for one who kills in my name?")
I'm not even sure the pro-abortion crowd really cares about Tiller's death– or Tiller himself. I think they like to have a reason to go after the pro-life crowd and make sweeping generalizations about what it means to be pro-life. The thing is, no matter how hard they try, you can't make a hero out of a baby killer. But their attempts to make a martyr out of Tiller further shows that the Left will ally with the most repugnant characters as long as it goes in lock-step with their ideology.
yeah, I'm there with you. Beyond wishing that the shooter had been upset over parking tickets or loud music (instaed of being "pro-life"), I don't much care either.
Do you think that there's a desensitization in play here? We're so used to MSM going crazy over crap like this while ignoring actual news that we just don't care anymore? Just a thought…
It was disturbing to learn that this guy was so active in the church. It takes an incredibly sick and twisted soul to murder babies throughout the week (ho-hummm, all in a day's work!), then march into church to worship and take the morning offering. Another example of a wicked soul hiding in plain sight.
Like it's your choice who to care about, Greg. The Media Elite has decided that this Doctor was a saint we must mourn, and that's that.
Just like those poor souls who were Black Listed in Hollywood matter and those who died in the Communist Gulags do not.
What does it say about his church? Wasn't he a Deacon?
Yes he was, for many years.
I do feel it is wrong to take life unlawfully, and when lawful, should not be done with abandon. There is enough meanness in all the world; I won’t focus on what happened to Tiller as an extraordinary event. What Tiller did was wrong (but unfortunately not unlawful). What Tiller's murderer did was wrong as well. So, let the common normal legal process take its course.
I empathize with your comments, Greg. Perhaps I am just a bastard callus.
I don't care either. Old boy shouldn't have been murdered, but I shed no tears for the man. I don't believe in hell, and for Dr. Tiller's sake, he should hope my minority view is the correct one. Good call Greg.
As far as yawning, yeah that sounds bad (but he and I did acknowledge we were callous), but I think it is difficult to compare this guy killing an individual for his specific actions, to the indiscriminate killing of say a hijacker or a suicide bomber.
I'm just glad this guy only killed one person, not many. Lock his butt up I say. As for his threats, let's hope the FBI and whomever else find his cell and take them down.
The term "pro-choice" is a bit of a misnomer. In most cases, getting pregnant is a choice, in the way that having sex is a choice; getting an abortion is changing that choice.
For the record, I also think it was wrong to shoot Big Paulie Castellano and Larry Flynt.
I am 100 times more upset over the murder of Pvt William Long by the hand of a Muslim extremist that was out looking to shoot anyone in an Armed Forces uniform because he blames the US troops for all the suffering of the Muslim people, than I am over Tillers death… Maybe I have selective sympathy and I am cool with that. I guess I just sympathize over the murders of the TRULY innocent instead of the perceived innocent.
Sick and twisted? Tiller let the 'parents' of the aborted fetus pose with their dead infant for photos. That's twisted.
Soooo correct.
you are correct about the backlash because the MSM won't let it go- and any murder bothers right thinking citizens, so understand that while we won't miss this monster this was not the right way to go…
Thanks, Greg. I don't care, either.
Worse than Hitler!
The fact the man was shot in his church is newsworthy, and creepy. Too bad there weren't more gun owners in the congregation…we might have been saved the cost of the murderer's trial and incarceration when he's found to be crazy.
As a nation, we have this funny thing, called "law". One of the funny, funny things about "law", is an equally humourous thing called "due process".
Ironically, tho hardly funny, is that the very principle that Tiller violated – whilst butchering the innocent – was the same principle that his killer violated.
Tho hardly in favor of the trial, conviction, and execution of one individual by another (generally called premeditated murder), I am much amazed at the appalling irony of his death. Makes one ponder the possibility of cosmic justice, does it not?
As for CNN, other than the 12 or 13 people that watch them regularly, who cares?
This Bum Aborted 60,000 babies and got well paid for it. Should he have been murdered of course not, does the World weep for him I think not. I put him in the same category as Mengele without the armband. May God have as much mercy on him as he had on those viable babies That's All.
This just amplifies the fact that there is a great falling away from Biblical truths in the church–starting with whole denominations. It's the main reason I'm no longer Presbyterian Church USA. Pro-choice, Gays in the pulpit, yada yada and all the while taking a vote on things God has already said are no-no's! Gotta be dilligent and really read statements of faith, mission statements, and doctrinal statements nowadays. And you gotta be certain about what you believe in.
I don't care if the so called Dr. was killed either. I can't square it in my head to be concerned. Why? i wish he hadn't been killed because it gives the Feds an excuse…..thats about it.
Spot on!! The left has always been form over function. How does the quote go…something like "The IQ of the liberal population remains constant as their numbers increase".
If the loudest pro-life voices had even a modicum of rational thought, the issue wouldn't be the hot button that it is. Pro-life pharmacists refusing to sell the morning after pill because they consider it murder is just one example. Stopping a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall is not the same as the violent murder of a viable child.
But I have to say I suffer the same ennui regarding the doctors murder. I really don't care. Never met the man and he doesn't sound like someone whose friendship I would've valued.
Now, let's get on with the post-term abortion of the domestic terrorist who pulled the trigger.
BF_Huckabee: The Kinky Conservative
I had a bowl of cereal and went to sleep after the news. The guy was thoroughly disgusting. Killing living babies then going to church. The movie will star Tobie McGuire as a grown up abortionist in the sequel to the "Ciderhouse Rules".
Well, at least a dyslexic "bastard callus." : )
Everyone who kills someone has a reason for it, whether real or imagined, even terrorists. In the twisted minds of the 9/11 hijackers, every one aboard those planes and at the WTC were guilty if of nothing else than complicity. Che Guevara thought every person he executed was guilty of specific actions against the revolution. And so it goes.
At the very least, I'll expect fewer condemnations of the Muslim community for not doing more to prevent terrorism.
As they used to say, "right on".
So Greg, you say you've "never met a pro-choice advocate who can say she wished she’d aborted her obviously adorable child (I’m still waiting!)."
Allow me to introduce you to the truly diabolic concept of "Wrongful Birth Lawsuits"
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/magazine/312wro...
I am not sure what the vandalism has to do with it? Is this the guy that did the murder?
I think one of the reasons we don't care is the killer is caught, he committed the murder in Kansas, and the God Fearing Christian Homophobic bigoted whatever the label the libs are using this week are going to see to it that he is either fried or poisoned. Now if he had waited for Tiller to take a vaca in Utah he could have his choice (hanging or firing squad). So there really isn't anything to get excited about. It's not like there is a conservative out there that would not be the first to convict the A__H___.
I know I would!
I remember a few years back when CNN was railing against a dog catcher in rural Tennessee over the way he dealt with unwanted and abandoned dogs. If someone had a dog they wanted to get rid of they would take it to a designated place out in the country and chain it to a post there. Once a week the dog catcher would come and put down whatever dogs were there and dispose of the carcasses. He did the "put down" with a firearm. When folks at CNN got wind of that, they got on their high horses and made a big deal out of it. It was then I realized they weren't sane.
Yes but Bennett Marco the question is
Do you care about Paulie or Larry being shot. Be Honest!
Tiller has to work out his deeds with God now. But Greg, let the "screw 'em" crowd remain with the Daily Kos. Please.
Catholic School upbringing speaking here: Nothing, and I repeat, nothing that Tiller ever has done in his life, including his work with his Church (and I use the term Church loosely), will ever save this man from hell!
I am not not overly fond of discussing abortion and I rarely express my opinion on it. But I just can't call what Tiller was doing abortion. It was murder plain and simple………………
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. The man who murdered Tiller was no better than Bill Ayers. This is not how we settle our differences in this country. I don't like Tiller, but murdering him was a despicable act. We cannot let revolutionaries take over our country. Their politics are irrelevant.
I think he's on the down elevator.
I really don't think you're helping your case here. If I understand correctly you say that Americans don't care that Tiller was killed because we think he deserved it, and Muslims don't care when Americans are killed because they think we deserve it. So your point is Muslims don't like Americans and are okay with them being killed.
How does that make me like Muslims not standing up against terrorists?
Cain killed Able. Murder begets Murder. Insert your platitude about homicide here __________________.
Here's a scenario to consider. A man wanting to be grandfather has one survivng blood relative, a daughter. At 16 she gets pregnant and goes to a planed parenthood clinic without his knowledge. As a result of the procedure everytime she becomes pregnant she miscarries as a result of scarring. Even doctor attended abortions have a risk of csuing this. I know a woman whom this has happened.
The man angry at the end of his bloodline is despondent and wants harm to come to the doctor and the clinic.
Now explain to me what platitudes the Obama Administration has approved to help this poor citizen. The question here is not whether you think the fetus is a person. It is what this guy thinks.
My problem with Pro Choicers is the refusal to ackowledge what is going on. In a twisted way I would feel less angst about abortion if they at least admitted it was murder. Then I would at least know that a woman making this choice was not deluded by platitudes that there was nothing wrong with it.
are you all that surprised?
that is sickening, but was probably predictable.
Why is his warning, "Ominous" to you? Is it because you really believe this admittedly (by his family) mentally disturbed man is part of some big conspiracy to go after all 4 doctors in the US who perform this practice, or is it because it conveniently fits into your narrative that Pro-lifers are dangerous? Really, that's redundant. I'm pretty sure I understand your position. You are taking the side of a guy who lied in order to make millions by killing viable children (and yes, it is established that he lied about the reasons the abortions were performed and how he secured a 2nd opinion).
On the other hand, we have a guy who was convinced to kill a soldier (and wound another) by people who actively hate this country and want to see it destroyed. He mindlessly committed murder against someone he didn't know, who had never done anything that affected him or his cause. Purely a case of killing an innocent to make a political point. I'm guessing you care a lot less about that "terrorist." In the end, with liberals it's usually about what tragedy happens to make you look right (in your eyes).
CNN ? What's that ? A new hemorrhoid cream ?
And I'll bet they're thinking we should take it easy on Michael Vick even though it's likely nearly single dog, alive or dead, on his compound had to be sacrificed because trained fighting dogs often can't be rehabilitated.
Cognitive dissonance is going to make their heads explode someday.
Gregoire!!!! Allow me to stray a little.
I am thoroughly disgusted by late term abortion procedure and all that it implys. The sanctity of life exists on both the beginning and the end…and soon we may be scooted out of here because the government will control healthcare.
Like you said, if you look at any of your dear friends and relatives and wish to put a pillow over their face because they are hanging on for a few months, you are a pig in my book.
I regret that Tiller wasn't in a church that was "speaking truth to power" regarding life and the value God places on it. He's busy explaining himself right now. I also regret that the man who pulled the trigger has been so pushed beyond the edge of reason that he took this rash action. He has some explaining to do as well. But the pastor of the church Tiller went to: He has created a white-washed sepulchre of a church where his congregants wallow in pig slop and the denomination is letting him! The Pastor of that church and the denomination will be held much more accountable. Meanwhile, rivers of innocent blood flow through the spirit of this land. America's earned her present problems because we've collectively chosen death. Church: Repent! Wake up! Greg: your not a cold hearted b#@@$%^! Just someone who's had enough. You've just chosen words as your weapons. Thanks for the restraint.
Yep, a liberal friend of ours posted a link to a bunch of women who were posting stories about their medically necessary late-term abortions that Tiller performed for them. He wasn't pleased when my husband posted a competing link of abortion survivors adding that these people might like to join in the rejoicing.
This is an interesting viewpoint. A domestic terrorist (Michelle Malkin's term) vandalizes two sites and kills an American citizen, and ominously warns that more attacks are coming, and other American citizens collectively yawn or even praise the terrorist.—-
Yeah, I've never heard of anything like this before. Nooo, not ever. Surely, not the radical left.
I would assume at least some of you are the ones who claim that the Muslim community doesn't do enough to decry radical Islamic terrorists—
Pretty much sums it up. Provide examples where they do?
And before you say it, I'm not saying the worldwide Islamic community sees Americans as baby-killers, but for their own various reasons, including "I'm not a radical, why should I apologize for one who kills in my name?"—–
This doesn't make sense. Name a radical who has ever apologized for killing anyone? Lenin? Ayers? Dohrn? Ahmadinejad? Arafat?
so the fact that nearly every pro life group and numerous church leaders have condemned his actions is the same way the muslim clerics have acted with the numerous terrorist actions of their membership?
i don't think the numbers quite add up. I'll keep checking, but ….
So Tiller got murdered. How many people get murdered every day? Do you weep for them. Do you care about the soldier who was randomly gunned down by the Muslim in Arkansas? Why aren't you wringing your hands over that?
How dare you come here and try to shame us for not caring much about Tiller's death. I'll bet you haven't given the murder of William Long a second thought.
Same here Drie, we left the PCUSA and joined the PCA almost seven years ago for the same reasons.
I care about Tiller's death about as much as I care about the murder of any other street thug.
But I agree with you, I'm even angrier that this is being politicized to the degree that it is. It's disgusting frankly, and I can just see Napolitano making lists of pro-life postings on various internet sites to track their posters for possible "radical terrorist" activists.
YEAH, READ THAT RIGHT, DHS.
That is so sad… It's sad that so many people on here can so easily justify who deserves to die. They make themselves not only judge and jury, they have decided they are God and can mete out judgment like this.
Let me say from the start that I am not pro-abortion. That being said:
It's scary that people aren't more concerned about domestic terrorism like this. Of course, THIS case couldn't be considered domestic terrorism… The suspect has only been on the FBI watch list for 7 years but that could happen to ANYone… And the suspect was only in close contact with a radical group. His contact at that radical group was only in jail for her part in a bomb plot in California. Oh, AND that contact was his source for Tillers home address, church address and schedule… Definitely no reason to call this domestic terrorism…
And will he still be unconcerned if some equally crazy person on the other extreme decides to avenge George Tillers death?… After all, a murderer is a murderer, right?
The fact that someone is not bothered by a murder is chilling. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone vehemently and walking up to them in church and pulling the trigger. I do not like the late-term abortions that Tiller was performing, but his murder disgusts me.
Where's the sanctity of human life here? Clearly not as high on the list of priorities as many of you claim…
I'm sorry. I understand that you are trying to have a reasonable discourse here, but I need clarification on what you are saying.
Are you in some way comparing the Terrorists of September 11th to the "whack job" who killed Tiller? I understand the need of some people to call Roder a Domestic Terrorist, but you sound as if you are implying something different.
Are you suggesting that all Pro Life Conservatives should be held accountable for Roder's actions.
I am not fully understanding what your point is.
And please do not use "Chia Pet Che" as an example again, it does nothing but hurt your credibility.
If this is a "set back" for the pro life crowd, is it a set back for the Muslims because a Muslim killed a soldier? I guess not, two different standards. I think Obama must have more empathy for the abortionist than the soldier, since he immediately came out re: the abortionist; and callous, it took him 5 days to come out for the soldier. But then again, he said he wouldn't want his daughters to be punished with a baby.
And to some extent, I'm fine with that.
So, if we don't prevent every murder from here on out, we can't expect people to decry murder?
I think the sentiment being expressed is that we don't care that the man is dead; not that we could care less about whether or not his murderer is brought to justice. There is a difference.
From your remarks, I can conclude that you don't care much about any of the deaths caused by Muslim terrorists?
I feel the same way Greg. Killing Tiller the killer was wrong, but I haven't lost any sleep over it. I wonder if all of the babies will attend Tiller's judgement by God. It would suck to be him.
Really? Worse than Hitler? Really?
Hitler, who killed 9 million people in his concentration camps and was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in war. Hitler, who destroyed huge portions of major countries… Tiller was worse than that? Really?!
Yeah, but calling your movement anti-responsibility or pro-death just doesn't quite sound as good.
Everything to the left is a political opportunity. I don't even think they care about the policies they say they support. Just the power. Bush gave them more money for education, medicare and AIDS in Africa. They still called him a Nazi (even though Nazi's were socialists). At that point I decided that it was ALL about power, not the poor, minorities, etc. The same here. You're right that they could care less about this guy. He's just a pawn in the game of life…er, death.
Count me among those that don't care. The left is as predictable as ever. One death is an outrage but he can kill hundreds and that's just a statistic. Many of these babies survive and are left to die. He was despicable and whatever church he was a member of should be ashamed. It sounds like a church of the golden calf.
Count me among those that don't care. The left is as predictable as ever. One death is an outrage but he can kill hundreds and that's just a statistic. Many of these babies survive and are left to die. He was despicable and whatever church he was a member of should be ashamed. It sounds like a church of the golden calf.
As we discussed over at commenterama a couple of days ago, murder is murder, and being anti-abortion cannot justify murder. Our biggest concern was how little attention was given to the murder of a young soldier by a homegrown Muslim convert at a recruiting center in Little Rock while the left had a major bawl-fest over the murder of the abortion doctor. The two murders happened within hours of each other. The Commander-in-Chief wasted no time condemning the murder of the doctor, yet couldn't rouse himself to say something about the murder of one of his own troops in cold blood (and the serious wounding of another soldier at the same place). One can only conclude that he thinks all pro-lifers are crazed Christian potential murderers, but murderous radical Muslims are a rare aberration. History and statistics do not bear out that conclusion.
I was just thinking about that. It's also possible that this blog will end up making headlines on CNN or some other MSM network. The libs would love to make hay of Greg's comments (and ours).
Who said we don't want the killer brought to justice? We do. Who said we wanted it to happen? No one. But now that it has, we've moved on. It was an assassination by an unbalanced individual. The last time there was any clear activity of terrorism by a pro-life group was 11 years ago.
It's like getting angry at people because we aren't immedaitely worried about the next volcanic eruption.
The question is, just how many of these liberals (and MSNBC ass-clowns) who are lionizing Tiller as some sort of great man, would want to be in his place, at this very moment? Are they really willing to take that chance that maybe Tiller was wrong (and evil), and that he's suffering the consequences of his (free will) actions, with eternal damnation???
Now that he's left the earthly plane, Tiller "knows" what it's all about. I, for one, would not want to be in his shoes!
Brilliant as always….
So, you posit that radicals never apologize for killing. And you defend NOT apologizing for radical killings…
So by the logic so far in this thread, I am to assume that you are an America-hating radical?
Yes, that was sarcasm…
Are the radicals really the standard we want to hold ourselves up to? Are we saying, "As long as were better than sociopathic radicals we're ok"? Surely we can do better than that. And I promise, "not caring" about Tillers murder isn't good enough. And admitting you're "calloused" does not excuse you from the responsibility of your callousness. By not standing up and saying, "We catagorically reject this," you tell the other potential terrorists out there that you support their actions as long as you agree with their motives. This should be a major eye-opening event in our country…
I actually saw a report that some high number of his dogs actually were rehabbed. It was thought it couldn't be done until somebody tried. May still not trust them around your kids, but they are apparently living good lives now.
Just to be clear, I'm not even remotely defending Vick.
Tiller's clinic is closing permanently, so some good did come out of it. I don't care what the media would say about me, but the man killed 60,000+ babies. His killer performed a service, just like Tiller did in the media's collective mind.
What goes around comes around, the entrepreneurial ghoul Tiller has suffered a late term abortion by a crazy ghoul. This country is pissed off, and I hope the killing of Tiller, and Pvt. Long, aren’t the John Brown’s of 2009. But to the point, no Greg you’re not a cold Ba$tard, and we all know murder cannot be condoned.
StlDan: Oops: I spelled the name of the blogsite wrong. It's commentarama: http://commentarama.blogspot.com/
Primer: We were really appalled by the lack of mention of the solder's murder. We could understand why the President would condemn a doctor's murderer, no matter how one feels about abortion, but the silence on the soldier's death makes no sense at all in any traditional way a Commander-in-Chief is expected to behave. More re-making of the Presidency and America, I guess.
Tiller was no doctor of any kind. "First, do no harm." He didn't even get that far in the Hypocratic Oath. If he did, then for him it was a "Hipocritic Oath." Is there really anything more despicable than killing viable babies for a living? Seriously, in a morally sane society, Tiller would have been hanged in a public square years ago.
I mean, I don't really "care" either, but I can't say this particular murder makes me feel any kind of regret as it would were an innocent party the victim. I'm sure Tiller's in torment awaiting judgement, where he belongs, and his killer will in all likelihood get the needle and join him there, which is as it should be.
I'll say it: one down and four to go.
Does that make me a bad person? I can live with it.
Would any of you weep if a serial pedophile was gunned down in your neighborhood? Tiller was no morally different than that hypothetical case.
I see it as stuff that sorted itself out on it's own.
The only thing that bothers me about the Tiller situation is how a guy who was basically a mass murderer was walking the streets a free man, because what he does, somehow, isn't a crime (at least not in Kansas, apparently) in the first place.
I care about William Long because he's everything the Tillers of the world (and their supporters) cannot, nor ever will be: persons willing to die (rather than end another's life) to defend the rights of Americans.
"Why is that? It’s not about Tiller’s murder being wrong. I get that. That’s not the issue. This issue is, when you make priorities of “stuff that’s wrong” – is it more wrong to kill a dumpster full of viable babies, than to kill the doc who fills that dumpster?"
I think you have this about right. Yes, it is wrong to murder this MD. Yes, it is wrong ot murder unborn children. Sadly, a court told women that they have a right to privacy, to kill their children. This right to privacy does not extend to other thing like suicide, but hey, that's all right. The libs want to justify the killing and they have their court opinion.
Such is life here in the unreal world.
The problem is justifying murder for an act Tiller did that was legal raises the question which is moral and which is immoral. Maybe neither, but justifying abhorrent behavior courtesy of the victim's bad behavior is a peculiar choice.
I am not losing any sleep over Tiller's murder, but there is a slippery slope…
In Flynt's case, I just love the irony. Paralyzed from the waist down?
Nope! Not sold! Tiller is a murderer………………………….
I do not care the least about Tiller's death. He had it coming. That being said, murder is still wrong and should not be done. But that does not mean I am going to sympathize with every despicable person who is murdered.
Yeah, really. I don't recall Hitler ever stabbing a baby in the head with a pair of scissors and sucking the brains out.
Open your freaking eyes.
They can't admit its murder. That would make them bad. If they are bad, they will feel bad.
Hey, our feelings are all we have, right?
My wife wondered what kind of church would welcome a guy like Tiller.
Reasonable question.
I've said elsewhere that I don't care that Tiller was murdered. Let me be clear: to preserve the rule of law, the killer needs to pay the full price for his act. If I were on the jury, I'd convict him and give him whatever the law allows, up to and including death.
That's at least an intellectually consistent position.
Ditto.
You've got a point.
Tiller deserved to die. I'd have been fine if the story was that he choked on a ham sandwich or was hit by a bus, or squashed by falling airplane parts.
That having been said, I don't condone murder and the killer should pay the full price under the law.
Do I care? No.
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