George Tiller was not a 'health care provider' (AP release) or 'defender of womens reproductive rights' (LA TImes) and especially not a 'hero' (NY Times)…

He was Tiller the baby killer. There are four (!) other doctors in the entire US that do 3rd trimester abortions; nascent human beings being brutally slaughtered because the mother can't fit in her prom dress, or can't go to a concert. Over 75% of those polled are against this procedure and it is illegal in 36 states.

His motive was pure and simple. Money, and lots of it. He lived extremely well, making millions on this abhorrent practice. While vigilantism is wrong, and the perpetrator must face justice, know that there is a special place in Hell for the late and unlamented George Tiller. That he was killed close to a church only heightens the irony…

It's ironic that the same hypocritical Liberal chaff who mock our brave soldiers, cursing them and falsely calling them "baby killers," now weep and lay flowers at the grave of the REAL baby killer.

I have been looking all over the Blogosphere and Twitter, I have never seen more hateful people, more than even those with B.D.S. And to top it off, NARAL and other Pro-Abortionist are using tiller's death to raise money to kill even more babies.

And here I was, thinking I was the only one thinking this.

I consider myself more pro-choice than pro-life despite being a conservative. However, I am firmly AGAINST late-term abortions unless and until someone can prove to me why the baby can't just be "taken" by emergency C-section if the mother's life is in danger (and just being depressed [been there done that] or whatever other lame excuses these women use, does not mean their "life is in danger). I mean, taking the baby mostly out and then killing it, when it is otherwise fully formed (they only need to put on weight and finish their lung development), is just DISGUSTING, AWFUL, HIDEOUS.

That being said, I'm with you Greg, I just don't care. It was wrong to kill him, yes. But I just don't care.

And yes there is a special place in Hell for him.

BTW, it says something about the feelings of most doctors about late term abortions when he was only one of FOUR that were doing it.

Witty? Really, you thought that was witty? How about PASSIONATE!

"he’s like a hall-of-famer, late-term baby disposal unit – popping them off just as they cross the finish line."

Maybe it's wrong to laugh (someone leave the light on in hell for me). But that's funny!

And Greg don't feel bad because you don't feel bad. One "whacko" killed another "whacko"! End of story….

Right now Tiller is sitting next to Satan and his boyfriend Saddam in Hell, and Satan, in a state of disbelief, is asking Tiller again, "You did what for a living"?

No sympathy here…..Move along…………..

I'm not even sure the pro-abortion crowd really cares about Tiller's death– or Tiller himself. I think they like to have a reason to go after the pro-life crowd and make sweeping generalizations about what it means to be pro-life. The thing is, no matter how hard they try, you can't make a hero out of a baby killer. But their attempts to make a martyr out of Tiller further shows that the Left will ally with the most repugnant characters as long as it goes in lock-step with their ideology.

It was disturbing to learn that this guy was so active in the church. It takes an incredibly sick and twisted soul to murder babies throughout the week (ho-hummm, all in a day's work!), then march into church to worship and take the morning offering. Another example of a wicked soul hiding in plain sight.

What does it say about his church? Wasn't he a Deacon?

I do feel it is wrong to take life unlawfully, and when lawful, should not be done with abandon. There is enough meanness in all the world; I won’t focus on what happened to Tiller as an extraordinary event. What Tiller did was wrong (but unfortunately not unlawful). What Tiller's murderer did was wrong as well. So, let the common normal legal process take its course.

I empathize with your comments, Greg. Perhaps I am just a bastard callus.

As far as yawning, yeah that sounds bad (but he and I did acknowledge we were callous), but I think it is difficult to compare this guy killing an individual for his specific actions, to the indiscriminate killing of say a hijacker or a suicide bomber.

I'm just glad this guy only killed one person, not many. Lock his butt up I say. As for his threats, let's hope the FBI and whomever else find his cell and take them down.

For the record, I also think it was wrong to shoot Big Paulie Castellano and Larry Flynt.

Sick and twisted? Tiller let the 'parents' of the aborted fetus pose with their dead infant for photos. That's twisted.

you are correct about the backlash because the MSM won't let it go- and any murder bothers right thinking citizens, so understand that while we won't miss this monster this was not the right way to go…

The fact the man was shot in his church is newsworthy, and creepy. Too bad there weren't more gun owners in the congregation…we might have been saved the cost of the murderer's trial and incarceration when he's found to be crazy.

This Bum Aborted 60,000 babies and got well paid for it. Should he have been murdered of course not, does the World weep for him I think not. I put him in the same category as Mengele without the armband. May God have as much mercy on him as he had on those viable babies That's All.

I don't care if the so called Dr. was killed either. I can't square it in my head to be concerned. Why? i wish he hadn't been killed because it gives the Feds an excuse…..thats about it.

If the loudest pro-life voices had even a modicum of rational thought, the issue wouldn't be the hot button that it is. Pro-life pharmacists refusing to sell the morning after pill because they consider it murder is just one example. Stopping a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall is not the same as the violent murder of a viable child.

But I have to say I suffer the same ennui regarding the doctors murder. I really don't care. Never met the man and he doesn't sound like someone whose friendship I would've valued.

Now, let's get on with the post-term abortion of the domestic terrorist who pulled the trigger.

BF_Huckabee: The Kinky Conservative

Well, at least a dyslexic "bastard callus." : )

As they used to say, "right on".

I am not sure what the vandalism has to do with it? Is this the guy that did the murder?

I think one of the reasons we don't care is the killer is caught, he committed the murder in Kansas, and the God Fearing Christian Homophobic bigoted whatever the label the libs are using this week are going to see to it that he is either fried or poisoned. Now if he had waited for Tiller to take a vaca in Utah he could have his choice (hanging or firing squad). So there really isn't anything to get excited about. It's not like there is a conservative out there that would not be the first to convict the A__H___.

I know I would!

Yes but Bennett Marco the question is

Do you care about Paulie or Larry being shot. Be Honest!

Catholic School upbringing speaking here: Nothing, and I repeat, nothing that Tiller ever has done in his life, including his work with his Church (and I use the term Church loosely), will ever save this man from hell!
I am not not overly fond of discussing abortion and I rarely express my opinion on it. But I just can't call what Tiller was doing abortion. It was murder plain and simple………………

I think he's on the down elevator.

Cain killed Able. Murder begets Murder. Insert your platitude about homicide here __________________.

Here's a scenario to consider. A man wanting to be grandfather has one survivng blood relative, a daughter. At 16 she gets pregnant and goes to a planed parenthood clinic without his knowledge. As a result of the procedure everytime she becomes pregnant she miscarries as a result of scarring. Even doctor attended abortions have a risk of csuing this. I know a woman whom this has happened.

The man angry at the end of his bloodline is despondent and wants harm to come to the doctor and the clinic.

Now explain to me what platitudes the Obama Administration has approved to help this poor citizen. The question here is not whether you think the fetus is a person. It is what this guy thinks.

My problem with Pro Choicers is the refusal to ackowledge what is going on. In a twisted way I would feel less angst about abortion if they at least admitted it was murder. Then I would at least know that a woman making this choice was not deluded by platitudes that there was nothing wrong with it.

Why is his warning, "Ominous" to you? Is it because you really believe this admittedly (by his family) mentally disturbed man is part of some big conspiracy to go after all 4 doctors in the US who perform this practice, or is it because it conveniently fits into your narrative that Pro-lifers are dangerous? Really, that's redundant. I'm pretty sure I understand your position. You are taking the side of a guy who lied in order to make millions by killing viable children (and yes, it is established that he lied about the reasons the abortions were performed and how he secured a 2nd opinion).

On the other hand, we have a guy who was convinced to kill a soldier (and wound another) by people who actively hate this country and want to see it destroyed. He mindlessly committed murder against someone he didn't know, who had never done anything that affected him or his cause. Purely a case of killing an innocent to make a political point. I'm guessing you care a lot less about that "terrorist." In the end, with liberals it's usually about what tragedy happens to make you look right (in your eyes).

And I'll bet they're thinking we should take it easy on Michael Vick even though it's likely nearly single dog, alive or dead, on his compound had to be sacrificed because trained fighting dogs often can't be rehabilitated.

Cognitive dissonance is going to make their heads explode someday.

I regret that Tiller wasn't in a church that was "speaking truth to power" regarding life and the value God places on it. He's busy explaining himself right now. I also regret that the man who pulled the trigger has been so pushed beyond the edge of reason that he took this rash action. He has some explaining to do as well. But the pastor of the church Tiller went to: He has created a white-washed sepulchre of a church where his congregants wallow in pig slop and the denomination is letting him! The Pastor of that church and the denomination will be held much more accountable. Meanwhile, rivers of innocent blood flow through the spirit of this land. America's earned her present problems because we've collectively chosen death. Church: Repent! Wake up! Greg: your not a cold hearted b#@@$%^! Just someone who's had enough. You've just chosen words as your weapons. Thanks for the restraint.

This is an interesting viewpoint. A domestic terrorist (Michelle Malkin's term) vandalizes two sites and kills an American citizen, and ominously warns that more attacks are coming, and other American citizens collectively yawn or even praise the terrorist.—-

Yeah, I've never heard of anything like this before. Nooo, not ever. Surely, not the radical left.

I would assume at least some of you are the ones who claim that the Muslim community doesn't do enough to decry radical Islamic terrorists—

Pretty much sums it up. Provide examples where they do?

And before you say it, I'm not saying the worldwide Islamic community sees Americans as baby-killers, but for their own various reasons, including "I'm not a radical, why should I apologize for one who kills in my name?"—–

This doesn't make sense. Name a radical who has ever apologized for killing anyone? Lenin? Ayers? Dohrn? Ahmadinejad? Arafat?

So Tiller got murdered. How many people get murdered every day? Do you weep for them. Do you care about the soldier who was randomly gunned down by the Muslim in Arkansas? Why aren't you wringing your hands over that?

How dare you come here and try to shame us for not caring much about Tiller's death. I'll bet you haven't given the murder of William Long a second thought.

I care about Tiller's death about as much as I care about the murder of any other street thug.

But I agree with you, I'm even angrier that this is being politicized to the degree that it is. It's disgusting frankly, and I can just see Napolitano making lists of pro-life postings on various internet sites to track their posters for possible "radical terrorist" activists.

YEAH, READ THAT RIGHT, DHS.

I'm sorry. I understand that you are trying to have a reasonable discourse here, but I need clarification on what you are saying.
Are you in some way comparing the Terrorists of September 11th to the "whack job" who killed Tiller? I understand the need of some people to call Roder a Domestic Terrorist, but you sound as if you are implying something different.
Are you suggesting that all Pro Life Conservatives should be held accountable for Roder's actions.
I am not fully understanding what your point is.

And please do not use "Chia Pet Che" as an example again, it does nothing but hurt your credibility.

And to some extent, I'm fine with that.

I feel the same way Greg. Killing Tiller the killer was wrong, but I haven't lost any sleep over it. I wonder if all of the babies will attend Tiller's judgement by God. It would suck to be him.

Yeah, but calling your movement anti-responsibility or pro-death just doesn't quite sound as good.

Count me among those that don't care. The left is as predictable as ever. One death is an outrage but he can kill hundreds and that's just a statistic. Many of these babies survive and are left to die. He was despicable and whatever church he was a member of should be ashamed. It sounds like a church of the golden calf.

As we discussed over at commenterama a couple of days ago, murder is murder, and being anti-abortion cannot justify murder. Our biggest concern was how little attention was given to the murder of a young soldier by a homegrown Muslim convert at a recruiting center in Little Rock while the left had a major bawl-fest over the murder of the abortion doctor. The two murders happened within hours of each other. The Commander-in-Chief wasted no time condemning the murder of the doctor, yet couldn't rouse himself to say something about the murder of one of his own troops in cold blood (and the serious wounding of another soldier at the same place). One can only conclude that he thinks all pro-lifers are crazed Christian potential murderers, but murderous radical Muslims are a rare aberration. History and statistics do not bear out that conclusion.

Who said we don't want the killer brought to justice? We do. Who said we wanted it to happen? No one. But now that it has, we've moved on. It was an assassination by an unbalanced individual. The last time there was any clear activity of terrorism by a pro-life group was 11 years ago.

It's like getting angry at people because we aren't immedaitely worried about the next volcanic eruption.

Brilliant as always….

I actually saw a report that some high number of his dogs actually were rehabbed. It was thought it couldn't be done until somebody tried. May still not trust them around your kids, but they are apparently living good lives now.

Just to be clear, I'm not even remotely defending Vick.

What goes around comes around, the entrepreneurial ghoul Tiller has suffered a late term abortion by a crazy ghoul. This country is pissed off, and I hope the killing of Tiller, and Pvt. Long, aren’t the John Brown’s of 2009. But to the point, no Greg you’re not a cold Ba$tard, and we all know murder cannot be condoned.

Tiller was no doctor of any kind. "First, do no harm." He didn't even get that far in the Hypocratic Oath. If he did, then for him it was a "Hipocritic Oath." Is there really anything more despicable than killing viable babies for a living? Seriously, in a morally sane society, Tiller would have been hanged in a public square years ago.

I mean, I don't really "care" either, but I can't say this particular murder makes me feel any kind of regret as it would were an innocent party the victim. I'm sure Tiller's in torment awaiting judgement, where he belongs, and his killer will in all likelihood get the needle and join him there, which is as it should be.

I see it as stuff that sorted itself out on it's own.

The only thing that bothers me about the Tiller situation is how a guy who was basically a mass murderer was walking the streets a free man, because what he does, somehow, isn't a crime (at least not in Kansas, apparently) in the first place.

I care about William Long because he's everything the Tillers of the world (and their supporters) cannot, nor ever will be: persons willing to die (rather than end another's life) to defend the rights of Americans.

The problem is justifying murder for an act Tiller did that was legal raises the question which is moral and which is immoral. Maybe neither, but justifying abhorrent behavior courtesy of the victim's bad behavior is a peculiar choice.

I am not losing any sleep over Tiller's murder, but there is a slippery slope…

Nope! Not sold! Tiller is a murderer………………………….

Yeah, really. I don't recall Hitler ever stabbing a baby in the head with a pair of scissors and sucking the brains out.

Open your freaking eyes.

My wife wondered what kind of church would welcome a guy like Tiller.

Reasonable question.

Ditto.

Tiller deserved to die. I'd have been fine if the story was that he choked on a ham sandwich or was hit by a bus, or squashed by falling airplane parts.

That having been said, I don't condone murder and the killer should pay the full price under the law.

Do I care? No.

I said the same thing a last week, most of the people I said it to (of various political backgrounds) agreed.

I have become more outraged by the lack of coverage for the murdered soldier and the subsequent, half-hearted statement by our President. Like Bill Ayers, who thought it was perfectly fine to bomb public buildings, the soldier's murderer will probably find himself a six-figure book deal and a teaching spot at a university. Tiller's murderer, on the other hand, will be punished, as he should be.

If more abortion providers are murdered it may be terrorism. If not it is one lunatic who fervently believed that murder is okay so long as it is committed again someone he disagrees with…

Tiller was an awful man, but it is hard to feel sympathy for him… or the man who killed him.

the ends never justify the means unless I like the ends and if you can't see that then you must be an anti-American abortion doctor

the only difference is, thanks to Tiller and his handmaiden ex-Gov Kathleen Sibelius it was nominally legal in the Jayhawk state. Sadly, too…

I wouldn't have killed him, and I would have counseled his killer not to do so. If he said he was going to do it anyway, I would have informed the police. He'll face judgment in the courts and in the afterlife. The only thing in Tiller's favor, though, is that idiotic laws say it's okay to almost fully birth a baby and then suck its brains out (no, I don't like those laws). Say he was just doing it for fun as a serial killer. If someone decided to end it, he would also have to face man's and God's justice. But, there'd be few people condemning him for it.

Anyway, I'll probably get some thumbs downs. For some reason, I get an automatic +1 just for posting. Drives me nuts. Go ahead and strip that one from me now.

"I wouldn't have killed him, and I would have counseled his killer not to do so. If he said he was going to do it anyway, I would have informed the police. He'll face judgment in the courts and in the afterlife."

Nothing wrong with what you said here. I would have done the same.

Us pro-choice people aren't psychopaths. It's just another viewpoint. Shouldn't it be the woman's choice whether the baby is born or not? I mean, if the mother doesn't even want them, what life would they have to look forward to?
Granted, we shouldn't be slaughtering children, but if they aren't born yet…
Call me a callous bastard, but I don't care as much about a bunch of fetuses as compared to a person.

Not exactly what I said. I think there are many rationalizations for not caring. One certainly is because you think Tiller deserved it. Another, as I said above, might be because you think he's a radical extremist and you're not, therefore you're not responsible for his actions in any way. And I'm sure there are many other reasons you might have. Many Muslims would similar reasons for not condemning the radical Islamist terrorists. In the past, conservatives have criticized Muslim groups for not coming out more strongly against each and every terrorist atrocity, and now you know what that's like. That's all I'm saying.

Then people should not put themselves in a position to have an abortion. Wear a condom or practice birth control. Take responsibility for your actions. Don't just let yourself get pregnant and then decide "Eh, I don't want it anymore." You're playing Russian Roulette with a potential human being because they can't handle responsibility. (I'm full aware of the rare cases in which an abortion is absolutely necessary, but they compose a small percentage of abortions).

It kinda is slaughtering children if you're willing to do a third trimester abortion and are one of 4 practicing doctors who does it in America.

it pains me that the media gave no regard to the lives he took.

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just pointing out that the actions of the Pro-Life community, for whatever reason you want to cite, is not exactly anti-terrorist in this one case. And in the past, some conservatives have condemned the American Muslim community for not more actively condemning each act of terrorism they had nothing to do with. Some have even implied that not condemning it is the same as condoning it. I'm just saying those people now have a chance to walk in a Muslim's shoes, and learn from it.

Have you ever seen what an embryo or a fetus actually looks like? It's a little human with endless possibilities for life, and contributions to humanity.

George Tiller had a blood lust, and he was a killer — plain and simple. He found a legal way to practice his blood lust, and someone who wasn't all there decided it was enough. It didn't surprise me at all — what did we think was going to happen to this monster.

I understand you have a different viewpoint, but you have to understand that these are lives, and they never had a choice. That's what pro-life people believe.

Wow. Just wow. This really exemplifies what's wrong with this country right now. You and your "above my paygrade" President set a very low value on life regardless of your claim to care about people. Tiller aborted 60,000 babies. Think about that. How many do you figure he had to kill everyday to get to that number? How many were viable at the time of abortion? That's a number I'd really like to know. You say fetus.. I say baby and no matter how much you try to change the language, Tiller killed babies.

It was categorically wrong that Tiller was murdered. I don't condone that in any way. But I'm sick to death of the media trying to portray the man as some sort of sick hero. He wasn't. Private William Long, the young man murdered by a Islamic domestic terrorist, was a hero. And the media has virtually ignored that story as well as the fact that he was buried today. The value system of the Left in this country is wrapped up in self-convenience that they can't even recognize immorality when they see it anymore.

The silence from the Right in condemning Dr Tiller's killer has been amazing. None of you care? None of you care that he killed to prove his point.

Show me one person on the left that has done the same.

Good show guys, good show.

That's the point. Radicals never apologize for killing, they don't think they have to. And I wasn't talking about them.

I am talking about the half-hearted condemnations as well as the collective apathy of those the radicals claim to represent, and that now "Pro-Life" conservatives are in a position to understand.

He definitely wasn't a hero, or a martyr, bu he wasn't some sick bastard who liked killing babies. I guess it all depends on what you view as a "child". I can't logically condemn your viewpoint, there is a potential life erased. Yet you still have to realize hat the mother doesn't want the kid. Either she can't raise them or something, and she shouldn't be practicing sex without protection, but you can't punish irresponsibility with the burden of a human child on someone we know isn't responsible enough to handle it.

Choice as in you have a choice.

I do not care about his death, but my heart breaks for Pvt. Long's death and his family.

I heard Pvt. Long's father on Laura Ingraham, and I cannot even type about it without tearing up.

But we were told 24-7 we had to get exorcised over Bush killing all those innocent soldiers by the Left media. Funny how things are now in a state of flip-flop!

I am pro choice. Dr. Tiller's action needed to be heard in court. I think th emedia went after Tiller's death as a way to avoid having to face the fact that a Islamic man killed one man in the armed forces.

After all cannot have the faith of PEACE be shown as having bad apples with in it. It might lead to a closer look being made on the domestic islamic community. Which is only reserved by the media to attack Christians.

Pity I hope both killers if convicted get put to death.

Thanks. I had no idea.

This is kind of sad, a Christian church welcoming a murder of children.

"he wasn't some sick bastard who liked killing babies"

Really? As a trained medical specialist (I refuse to call him a "doctor"), he could have chosen another field with no problem whatsoever. You have to like something to do it as long and as enthusiastically as he did. Apparently, only three or four other "medical specialists" in the entire country "enjoy" doing this for a living. That should tell you something right there- that it is a repulsive, gut-wrenchingly abhorrent practice that only the smallest number of medical professionals will do.

But I know there is absolutely no way that will ever sink into your consciousness…

Separated at birth: Dr. Hiller and Heinrich Himmler. No kidding. Look at the photos. Strange.

There's a reason that someone might have a late-term abortion instead of earlier on, which is only carried out by a few doctors. Why would that be?

You appear to be equating the pro-life movement, which has millions of non-violent participants and which has universally condemned each of the FIVE murders of abortionists by non-aligned fringe elements over the past 36 years with the response of Muslim imams, many of whom declare suicide bombers and murderers of Jewish children "shaheed" (martyrs).
You are apparently afflicted with the leftists characteristic inability to make critical distinctions.

At our house we've decided to refer to Tiller using Leftist speak…, Dr. Tiller late term aborted from MotherEarth.

I don’t know, why?

As someone who is pro-choice, I sincerely want to thank you all for helping us out! You have just proved everything the MSM says about you. Give yourselves a hand. Ha!

I don't know…I'm going thru this thread and the only conclusion I'm able to come to is that you didn't get Greg's column at all. I know that I can't worry about every single person who dies out there – I'm sure many of them did something in their life I wouldn't approve of, but I don't have the time or concern to do nothing more than say "sorry to hear about that". Tiller was not a national figure to me or a close friend/relative and hardly anyone cares what I have to say regarding him so, yeah, I really don't care all that much about his death. I'm sorry that he felt it was his special calling to take out fetuses that were just short of crossing the finish line but I wasn't in a position to do anything about it (it's less of a worry to me now). I can only deal with what I can deal with in the world around me and condemnations of Tiller isn't remotely high on my list of things I want to do or care to hear anybody say.

By the way, let's call Pro-Choice what it is: Pro-Death, okay? It's way simpler.

Well said. If it was a republican politician would they be whizzing and moaning as equally? I somehow doubt it.

I don't think Greg is advocating Tiller's death – just saying he doesn't care. Neither do I. I would never kill such a monster myself but I'm shedding no tears over him, either. I shed tears for the thousands of babies he dismembered – I know the angels cried over every one of them.

Here's a list.
71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other

You are aware what an abortion is, right? It isn't quite baby-stabbing. Hitler was responsible for far greater horrors than the killing of a fetus. It isn't even human yet, come on! Why would a woman choose an abortion if it was that horrifying?

Three of you are guilty of not getting one of Red Eye's signature phrases…

I'm a MILLION times more upset about Pvt Long. Interesting that a Muslim who killed under the 'direction of his god' is deemed "OK" by Muslims who claim Islam is a religion of peace. Making sense of these mislead people is like trying to understand the vastness of the universe using terms like 'infinity."

Nebraska's leading abortionist compared Tiller's murder to MLK's assassination.

I haven't watched much of the Tiller lovefest on MSNBC et al.
But, since we are using history to find some perspective,
has anyone on CNN or MSNBC referred to the
49,500,000 US abortions since 1973 as
8 and a quarter Holocausts?

Birth control is much more convenient than an abortion. And punishing the woman is exactly what you're doing if you force her to raise a child she doesn't want. The Right isn't better, at any rate, but that's irrelevant. The point is, it's the mother's right whether she wants an abortion or not, and if she chooses the abortion, there's always a good reason. No one just goes, hey, let's kill a kid. No big deal.

I'm with you, Mr. Gutfield.

It was a crime, and Tiller's murderer should face justice. That said, I just don't care, and it doesn't bother me that I don't care. Late-term abortion is just about the most monstrous thing I can think of.

Right on. Now they can whine about how calling abortion providers murderers "dehumanizes" them like they did on Jezebel last week.

Them libs love them some euphemisms. Straight truth don't go down so smooth, though!

Tiller's church belongs to a very liberal Lutheran denomination, ECLA. The media harps on that he goes to a church to paint him as some pious Christian. But it neglects to mention the reason why he goes to this liberal church was because he was excommunated by another Lutheran church that belongs to the conservative, Bible believing LCMS denonimation, for the purpose of bringing him to repentance. His greed outweighs his repentance. He is no model of piety whatsoever, and he is no true Lutheran either. And I say this as a WELS Lutheran.

And yes, I do disapprove of the murder committed on him. Two wrongs (or murders) do not make a right (or life).

I am in my 30s and my third child, a boy, was born on Friday. He is perfect, and so delicate and sweet.. when he came out of the womb the nurse let my wife hold him for a few minutes, and then placed him on a table to clean him up a bit, and I reached out my hand and he grasped my finger – his entire hand barely covering my fingernail. He grabbed as tightly as he could, and stopped crying. In the 4 days we have had him home, he barely cries, and just wants to be held and kept warm (listening to a heartbeat calms him.) He was born at 40 weeks. My other children were born at 37 and 38 weeks, and the experience was about the same with all 3. If one of them were born at 36 weeks or 35 weeks… same child. Same innocent face, eyes searching for something, hand grasping for love.

I don't know how long I have. I am healthy but my dad died at 61 of a heart attack, and he had his first at 37 (I am 37). I take care of myself, but nothing is guaranteed. I could never trade my children and this experience for the hope of having less burdens in my life, so I could have it easier… party on or whatever you want to call the total abdication of responsibility that my and the next generation are demonstrating.

Nothing in my life is more important than what I do every day for my children. Nothing. And nothing is more evil than taking that innocent life and crushing the holy spirit out of the body in a painful third trimester abortion. The bond between mother and child as the child grows and is nurtured is sacred. The only good thing I can be sure of is that the soul of that baby is better off in heaven than spending a life with an evil mother would even consider such an act.

Thats how I feel… but what I really wanted to say was, Hi Greg. Love the show… but you got me all down now.

At least he had a chance at life, unlike all the babies he killed. And before anyone says it, I do not condone his murder. I do question why people are so upset at his murder, but not him murdering all those babies.

what is the difference between snuffing a three month young fetus versus a late term fetus….how shallow! There is only the difference in how long someone waited to snuff it. Abortion is a convenience, and a sick
one at that. Children are a gift from God…

Greg, I also find it hard to really give a dam*. Tiller lived by violence and died by violence. There seems to be some kind of poetic justice in that. I had rather he died by a freight train or 18 wheeler, instead of a gunshot but…… ………….whatever.

I find it interesting that the same people who currently engage in the wailing and knashing of teeth over an imaginary march to socialism, communism, marxism, facism, whateverism being perpetrated by the current administration would be the first to say that it is perfectly ok for the government to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term against her will. She has no choice in the matter; the government is in complete control. Sounds like tyranny to me.

How about we prevent abortions with age-appropriate sex education and access to contraception. Since we're all engaging in a little moral reletavism today ("well, I don't think murder is ok, but this doctor had it coming") lets try this out for size: More teenaged and pre-marital sex versus more abortions. I think the lesser evil is easy to spot.

I'm suprised Tiller wasn't killed years ago because of some these prolifers passions. I'm not suprised that CNN would run a sympathy parade for this low life. CNN, the (souless network) needs to go off the air. They are a sick network. CNN might as well be a network from another country who hates Americans. I pray that CNN would go off the air and take their sickness with them.
Tiller should not have been murdered. But the concerns CNN has for his death is hypoctrical . It is more about CNN's idealogy and culture. How corrupt they are!! CNN just feeds prolifers contempt with this false concern.

Please take away their broadcasting licenses and business licences and redistribute their assets to the victims of the atrocities they proport to support. CNN –please go away –You are not American..You are a sinister propaganda machine for leftist geonicidal maniacs. Go to Pakistan ..or Saudi Arabia..Iran .North Korea. but not here.

Stop being the news CNN and just go away!

Tiller's death was sort of a non-event to me. As others have stated, lots of people are murdered every day. He was just one more and I had no particular interest in him.

However, much like the media's response to the passage of Prop. 8, the aggressive attempt to get me outraged has had sort of the opposite affect.

I don't much appreciate being told how to feel (especially by so-called "journalists"). So, when they feel it necessary to cram a story and point of view down my throat, the contrarian in me starts to look for reasons to adopt the opposite opinion.

That's not to say that I am now celebrating the man's death. But, when I hear people refer to him as a "hero", I add them to the list of people whom I do not respect.

There's strict regulations on when women can recieve a late-term abortion and what procedure can be used. The sad thing is that Tiller provided abortions for women in the worst possible situations: babies had no real brain but just a sac of fluid, babies whose hearts were horribly deformed and were SUFFERING in the womb, girls of as young as 9 who had been raped (and whose health would have been drastically affected by carrying to term), women who were carrying a DEAD FETUS inside them that was endangering their own life, women suddenly in need of a kidney transplant or cancer chemotherapy who had the awful choice between their own lives and the lives of their unborn children.

Tiller provided these services to women who needed them more than anyone else, who were not being helped by anyone else out of fear of ASSASSINATION. Even if you are personally pro-life I'm sure one of the above situations strikes you as being a justifiable reason for abortion – after all, why lose two lives when one can be saved, if the woman might carry another child?

Pro-lifers who take this line about late-term abortion simply don't fully understand all the shades of grey out there and the awful decisions sometimes made necessary by medical reality. And people who celebrate Tiller's death might someday find out from a family member or acquaintance just why what he was doing was so selfless.

That is a spurious example suggesting that abortion causes infertility and will be regretted – in fact, abortion in the early stages (first trimester) is significantly safer than childbirth. It is also safer than childbirth in later stages, but less so.

And Tiller provided late-term abortions, which were mainly for women whose babies had died inside them, or who whose babies would live a life of suffering if they were born, or who needed cancer treatment that would kill the fetus. Dr Tiller was a very compassionate man to continue doing what he was doing in the face of daily threats to his life.

And when was the last 'clear activity of terrorism' by a pro-choice group?

Oh, right. Never.

Groups like Bill O'Reilly and Operation Rescue really do incite violence because of their rhetoric "babykillers, murderers, scum, going to hell," etc, and also be posting names and addresses online. It's a bit like Iran calling the US 'The Great Satan,' training religious fanatics, and then turning around and saying they aren't responsible for the ensuing terrorism.

For a person who talks about aborting a dead fetus to accuse his/her opponents of not understanding things is too rich for words.

Is it helping their ratings?

we mean nothing to the pro death-crowd; their only enemy is the almost born crowd.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/cartoons/cartoonstr...

I think this is the most appropriate comment on the pro-deathers

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I have an idea. If they want 3rd Trimester abortions to be legal, let's show one on prime time TV and ask the public if we vote for more or less of them.

Don't get me wrong, I am actually PRO ABORTION. I am for the state to choose if they want to legalize it. My point is that the facts on late term abortion. If you did what they do to babies to a dog, Peta would never stand for this.

Agreed. Quite a scary band of nutcases, eh?

One more sane comment in a sea of rabid, frothing hate.

Okay. So if someone kills you, then I hope you wouldn't expect someone to care.

Being Pro-Life is about being PRO INNOCENT LIFE. Whether child or adult. I do not consider Tiller the baby-killer an innocent.

Sorry. Glad he's dead.

It's sad that there are so many hateful people in the world. Pro-life? Seems like most of you hate life.

I care. I'm glad he's dead. I'm sorry someone murdered him but you know, karma's a screaming bitch, ain't it?

No, we love life, even the lives of the defenseless unborn. We're not so keen on the whim of little boys and girls who like to irresponsibly play with their toys, the reasons for many abortions. Here's a thought, try respecting your partner. To dump and run isn't respectful. I think I can say most of us also expect humans to act responsibly and not act like the 'lower' animals responding to any urge just because it rises. It's called "self-control" and serves the 'long-term' interests of both the individual and society at large. Abortions resulting from prostitution devalue life and the humans involved. Very little forethought and A 50 cent condom (not to mention other BC techniques) are a lot less expensive and much less destructive than an abortion.

Brilliant and Honest Article Mr Gutfield. On reflection,i realise I am glad somebody stopped this murderer "Dr" Tiller,

From what I understand, those people weren't defended, but the actions taken against them were. You didn't see people on the right defending Koresh because they agreed with him being a cult leader. And you didn't see people on the right defending Weaver because they agreed with him being a militia member. You're part way there, but way off. I see you're trying to equate anyone who was vocal about their deaths to agreeing with their lunacy. Nope, but good try.

You have a short memory. The Right tried to avoid talking about why Koresh and Weaver were being arrested and elevated Koresh and Weaver to helpless, persecuted martyrs. It was sickening at the time, and still is.

Well, I don't want to hijack any part of this thread to discuss the issue. My point in bringing up my beliefs was to show that even those of us who lean pro-choice still don't think that late-term abortions are moral or correct in any way shape or form.

In short, yes, I do think, legally speaking, not biologically speaking, there is a difference between a blastocyst/embryo and a fetus when it has become viable. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Although I'm more firmly in the camp of PREVENTING so-called unwanted pregnancies in the first place with a combination of abstinence education (for the young) and birth control education (for young adults).

I'll just leave it at that.

Bull. What "Right" are you talking about? No one on the mainstream right elevated either one of these idiots. What the right did was bring to the attention of the public was the abuse of power by the Clinton administration. Past that there was nothing. The right never claimed either one of these guys. Give up your revisionist history.

What Crime exactly did Randy Weawer or his wife commit???or the Dozens of innocent children fried in Waco by the Clinton Administration???????

Ladyk
just ask yourself 2 qustions
-is the fetus a human being or not?
-If so,is the brutal killing of an innocent human being under any circumstances morally correct ,or not?
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Your claims that Tiller "provided late-term abortions, which were mainly for women whose babies had died inside them, or who whose babies would live a life of suffering if they were born, or who needed cancer treatment that would kill the fetus" are absolute bull. The majority of the women who came to Tiller did not do so for these reasons. Most claimed so sort of mental issue. You are reaching, as are most libs, to try and make this man appear to be a hero rather than a monster. For $5000 Tiller would manufacture a medical reason for a woman to have this procedure because he had no conscience and was in it for the money, period.
I was stunned that Tiller actually attended church despite the blood on his hands, but then I read that his church does not believe a fetus has the right to be born. Ah yes, that explains so much.

Unfortunately, I did care about Dr. Tiller. I was hoping that he could someday use his empathetic manner and nuturing medical skills of caring for the most vulnerable of women to crossover to performing executions to our death row inmates in similar fashion. He was a true humanitarian for his care of women and would certainly use those humane methods for ending pregnancies in terminating death row inmates humanely.

And do you feel that Tiller the Killer's efforts to hide sexual abuse and rape of minors was also a Godly calling? He made his choice with his pocketbook and the little girls who should have been protected by him were instead violated a second time for his gain.

Tiller came to national attention when they tried to force him to disclose the statutory rape cases he hushed up. If you get a chance check out pictures of Paul Bernardo and Tiller. You will see the same souless eyes in both of them.

No, it's not at all. Women do have difficulty chosing whether to have their dead babies removed immediately or whether they have to carry them until they abort spontaneously, which can be emotionally traumatic and physically dangerous. There's nothing illegal about having a dead fetus removed, but in practice if no doctors know how to perform a late-term abortion then they don;t know how to remove a dead fetus either. It's the same process.
http://www.msmagazine.com/summer2004/womanandherd...

And that was only one example I listed. Do you really want women to be forced to carry fetuses with undeveloped brains to fullterm if they will die within hours? Do you want to make it mandatory for a women to carry to term even if that means she can't undergo chemotherapy? Some women choose the life of their unborn child over their own (http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saint... which is a beautiful sacrifice and her own decision, but do you from your moral high ground feel comfortable making that decision for every woman?

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