Waterboard Pelosi — Let’s Get to the Truth!
by Gary GrahamNancy Pelosi this morning let the floodgates open. In a ‘frank and open’ press conference she waffled and redirected. She explained, rationalized, dodged and obfuscated. She bobbed and weaved. She danced the Paso Doble. It was a masterful exhibition of Terpsichore, with lovely grand jete’s, loop-de-loops and chicanery.
I haven’t seen such tap dancing since last year’s So You Think Ya Can Dance auditions.
Looking and sounding very shaky and rattled, she maintained that she had no idea the Enhanced Interview Techniques used on suspected terrorists to get vital life-saving information from them included waterboarding. Misremembering expertly, Ms. Pelosi said in her briefing, she was told that waterboarding techniques “were…not…being…employed.” (It apparently is a useful technique with politicians interested in convincing you of the sincerity and impeccable veracity of their statements …to…slow…down…and… …emphasize…each…word. As in, “I…did…not…have…sex…with that woman…Miss Lewinsky….”)
How…stupid…do…you…think…we…are?
In a strange tangent during the press conference, Ms. Pelosi alluded oddly to the ‘missing weapons of mass destruction’, and the former President’s ‘misleading the people’. She then went on to tell us that the CIA is lying to us now as to what she was and was not briefed upon.
Most thinking individuals assume she’s lying through her teeth. But she’s sticking to her story.
The most striking irony of the morning was this – to cap off her double-time-step, soft-shoe, dog-and-pony-show…Nancy Pelosi pressed for a ‘Truth Commission’ to get to the bottom of the whole waterboarding affair. Don’t you love it how, whenever a Democrat gets into hot water, covering up for glaring inconsistencies in their public statements, they seek the veil of a ‘truth commission’? To get to the bottom of it, dontcha know. (Read: Stack the commission with my cronies, surround myself with my fellow obfuscators, mix the whole thing up into a thick, gooey paste of disinformation, make all of the Democrats look brave, hard-working and noble; talk incessantly about how the Republicans are using the whole affair as a ‘diversion’ [I guess from their 'culpability']…and then blame the whole damn thing on Bush.)
Sounds less like ‘Change’ and more like business-as-usual.
But what is the real story? And how can we possibly find that out? Only one thing to do:
Waterboard Nancy Pelosi.
Let the truth be told! It’s only fair. The Obama administration touts itself as the ‘most transparent administration’ in our history. (I’m not sure ‘vacuous’ counts as transparent.) And the Grande Dame of the Congress herself, the first woman Speaker of the American House of Representatives in the history of man-and-womankind…Nancy Pelosi…has told the American public and the world that this administration, this Congress would be the most open, honest, and forthright government body the world has ever seen… or some such drivel.
But all intelligence, both military and otherwise, concurs – waterboarding is extremely effective in extracting truthful information from a person. It doesn’t disfigure (unlike Madame Pelosi’s plastic surgery-gone-dramatic); and waterboarding leaves no physical damage. No limbs or digits are lopped off, no eyes gouged out, no burn marks, no puncture wounds; no physical trauma results from its deployment. It induces psychological sensations of drowning. It is administered under a doctor’s supervision. Yes, by all accounts, it is extremely unpleasant. Very scary and mad uncomfortable. But the person undergoing it suffers no lasting ill effects. And yet it gets the truth out of people. So let’s get the truth out of Nancy Pelosi. What did she know about waterboarding and when did she know it? Her grace period for plausible deniability has long lapsed. Time to get to the bottom of it. Waterboard Nancy until she sings like an American Idol finalist.
But wait a second. I’m a gentleman. I don’t want to be seen as ‘beating up on the girl’. I will throw my hat into this exercise. I wouldn’t volunteer for real torture…but… I will volunteer to undergo waterboarding myself. That’s right, you read it, I said it. I will allow myself to be waterboarded. We’ll put it on TV. Beck, Hannity, Cavuto, (don’t think I’d trust Olbermann), or O’Reilly. Carried out by a few of our security forces, like normal. They can waterboard me until I talk. Until I tell the absolute truth: “Yes!!! Socialism is a really stupid, poopy, idea!!!!”
(I apologize for the word ‘poopy’…but hey I felt like I was drowning…)
It’s not torture. It’s a psychological illusion to very effectively ‘encourage’ people to give up information. The skillful use of it may very well have saved hundreds, perhaps thousands of innocent lives the three times it was used. Yeah, that’s right – to hear the Mainstream Media tell it, they’ve got Muslims lined up in Gitmo four-abreast doing combination babtism/waterboardings a hundred times a day to these poor, innocent Muslim men of peace. These innocent men…all of whom have sworn to kill us, tried to on the battlefield, and many having had succeeded. The fact is waterboarding has only been used three times. And in several of those instances, information was extracted that diverted major attacks upon U.S. citizens.
In fact, my 16-yr-old daughter thought the whole waterboarding-is-torture thing was so silly, that she and her friends got together last weekend and had a Marco-Polo-Waterboard Pool Party in our backyard. They had me put the diving board on hinges…and they invented this cool game…it goes like this…the person who is ‘it’ gets tied to the board, then dunked into the deep end, upside down, yelling Marco Polo (or gurgling, actually) …Then when the other swimmers dive down to the bottom…and find the…well…I don’t really remember all the rules, but they seemed to be having a great old time and played for hours. I’m pretty sure… Wait a second – I might have dreamt the whole pool party thing. Yyyeah…I’m pretty sure that was just a weird dream. We don’t even have a pool! Sorry – my bad.
But my point is this: Islamofascist nazi terrorists torture. And they usually aren’t interested in extracting information. They do it for amusement. They cut into skin, pull out fingernails, hook genitals up to car batteries, burn with acid, use propane torches, cut off fingers, and systematically break bones. Then they slowly decapitate the victim while he’s still alive.
We extract information that can be used to save innocent life. We waterboard. (Or used to.) The victim is held down. A cloth is placed over the face, and water is poured over it, giving the sensation of drowning. And tens of thousands of our own soldiers, sailors and Marines have gone through this as a part of their S.E.R.E. training. They all agree – it sucks. It’s no fun. But there is no lasting damage.
Until the Pussification of America is complete…while there is still a vestige of spine in this nation…we should not abandon waterboarding as an effective and yes, humane interrogation technique to keep this country safe!
So let’s go, let’s get to the truth. Somebody get Speaker Pelosi a bathing suit. I’m right behind her, but…
Lady’s first!







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Waterboard Pelosi?
That won't be a good idea since contact with water may melt her.
I seriously doubt anyone will be concerned over this faux issue once one American city gets vaporized. The issue then will be how often and how high we start bouncing rubble in the Middle East. Do we have one or two Ohio-class subs fire all their missiles? (24 missiles apiece with 6 thermonuclear warheads per missile. Do the math).
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Or the EPA might have a problem with extreme water pollution!
Palomino!!!
Is that a "Strictly Ballroom" reference Gary — "Show me your paso doble. . ."?
Get’em Gary! It truly is funny to see one these sanctimonious politicians get snared in their own trap. This conversation was taking place earlier on another thread. There would be plenty of volunteers to help in the process, hell you could fill a stadium, or better yet Pay-Per-view. Come on Nancy show us you’re tuff!
I just thought of an even better way to torture the truth out of terrorists! Force them look at nasty Nancy Pelosi without makeup! I bet that would scare the crap out of the most hardened Islamic Terror Guy. Probably would work better than stinging caterpillars and save water!
If Nancy doesn't quit accusing the CIA of lying, she may end up in a box with the nickname '2 bullets'.
Does Ms. Speaker Pelosi really think that we are buying this story, well actually these stories? She started out "This is terrible and I was not briefed", then "This is terrible, well, I was briefed about a briefing", then "Well, I may have been briefed, but I was not paying attention", then "I was never briefed on 'waterboarding', but I was briefed on 'enhanced interrogation techniques'", then "It's that blasted CIA lying again about me not being briefed".
Her world is a circle without a beginning and nobody know where it really end..la,la,laaaaa! Please make it stop. Can I sue Pelosi for enhanced torture on me? I will pay cash money!
Oh man! You have seriously stepped in it now! You know Feherty got in trouble with his Pelosi comments, and I thought they were hilarious. And people wonder why our military officials might, just might, consider the actions of Pelosi a danger to the American people and our troops in the field!
The woman has now entered the realm of shadow dancers. The dudes dancing in the shadows are scary, and as I hear, mad as hell. I would NOT want to be on THEIR bad side. NOT EVEN! No kidding, a former CIA dude told us he had first hand info that this was not making the CIA happy. She better be glad these guys are not the Mossad! LOL!
Does anyone here find it even remotely hilarious that the Dems are shocked, shocked I say, that the CIA can behave in a political manner? LMAO!
Oh, and speaking of the Mossad, these decisions to do some of this EIT did not solely involve OUR nation. IF the Dems press this, they might find other nations a tad bit more than angry things are revealed. The anger these folks might express could far surpass those of the CIA, and these other peoples roll vastly different from the CIA.
But WE on the Right, or of the Conservative stripe, we are just morons and cannot form complete thoughts! I am reminded of that line in "Con-Air" where they are on the plane and, (sorry, I forget his name), turns to Nicolas Cage's character and says, "Define irony. A bunch of people on a plane dancing to the theme song of a band who died in a plane crash!" Or something like that was said. It was hilarious, especially while "Sweet Home Alabama" was playing in the background. At moments like this, I feel like we are on the same plane, and are surrounded by irony!
Carry on and dunk her! I am a woman, and I was not in the least bit offended!
Quote for thought:
“Espionage is not a nice thing, nor are the methods employed exemplary. Neither are demolition bombs nor poison gas…. We face an enemy who believes one of his chief weapons is that none but he will employ terror. But we will turn terror against him….”//Lt. Gen William Donovan
I’ll start the bidding at $1,000 to get to waterboard Pelosi.
You know, we could pay off the deficit by having citizens pay to “torture” politicians. It would turn the economy around immediately.
I believe that the superlative incompetence of Nancy Pelosi is finally coming to the surface of her stretched facial skin. She just needs to resign and go home to be as irrelevant as Al Gore. Maybe they could share a corporate to cut down on their carbon footprint.
Pelosi melting is a bad thing?
It is a much more affective way of finding out if she is a witch though. I don't trust weiging her against a duck.
Doesn't the White House have a pool? CSPAN could cover the event and Rahm could do the Waterboarding! I think he would like that. Squeal like a pig, Nancy! It could be scheduled during Barry’s Apology and Bow tour in Egypt to underscore how sorry we are about our ‘torture’ of those innocent terrorists.
Let's see if that idiot Olbermann starts a countdown for waterboarding Pelousy like he is doing with Hannity. I won't bet my Glock(s).
Help me Big Hollywood. Obviously, I'm an idiot with computers.
Not to be That Guy, but it's Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. Sort of like listening to this morning's press conference.
/That Guy
Turnabout is fair play. She's been waterboarding San Franciscans for as long as I can remember.
Frankly, I'm APPALLED that Mr. Graham would even suggest submitting the Speaker of the House to waterboarding, what with a drought in California and all.
Then again, a Chris Matthews tingle runs up my leg whenever I watch that YouTube video of Christopher Hitchens being waterboarded. Maybe Nancy would give it a shot, too…if only for the benefit of science. We could even keep it "Green" by using recycled toilet water.
Fair is fair.
Nancy Pelousy in a bathing suit?!?! Let it be a one piece that fully covers the body. Otherwise wouldn't that be torturing the torturer?
Gary –
You miss the point. Torture doesn't work. It might give your interrogators what they want to hear (John McCain: you'll say anything to make it stop), but it isn't reliable, as more and more people are coming forth to say.
You volunteering to undergo this 'harsh interrogation technique' is admirable, but probably only as likely as Hannity being called on his offer.
Neither of you are likely to give up any intelligence.
I’m still trying to get my head around the fact that Pelosi argues against “water boarding” while supporting it behind closed doors. I wonder if she had a bad water pistol experience has a kid.
And that would be bad for carbon emissions!
"Ladies first". You are always the gentleman, Gary. Say, have you heard that Kiefer is planning to make Jack Bauer a kinder, gentler guy? Maybe he should retire his eye gougers and turn the part over to a real butt-kicker, namely you. It's a thought.
Hey Gary!
I know it was a dream, but the pool party sounded fun. I'll be the first in line to be Marco Polo'ed!
Anything less than a burqa would be criminal.
THREE TIMES?! The democrats are having a whining and "let's jail Bush and everyone else" fest over this being used THREE times? What a bunch of CRAP they're pushing! Before this I was a little more "understanding" thinking that this was normal procedure on all terrorists but finding out this is a rarely used yet effective tactic really makes me ticked off at them pitching fits about nothing. You can only cry wolf so many times before no one starts to listen to you anymore…
The truth should out. Ms Pelosi should be held to the truth. She has worked tirelessly to defame the Bush administration in her partisan political game of 'gotcha!' In this case it would be insane to allow Ms Pelosi to cast the CIA as the 'villian' in her attempt to try past governments in the court of public opinion to cover her lies. She personifies partisan politics at its worst. Unfortunately, with all the press 'waterboarding' has received, I imagine its use as a effective technique for extracting information has been compromised. They outed the designers, they outed the technique, I'm all for removing the 'illusory' nature of the process if it saves American lives.
This shows once again how low some have fallen. The Dems made the policies of the Bush Administration seem to be criminal activities in the name of Political Advantage. One can disagre with policies and not sink to the level that the Dems have. Now the very tactics used to gain Political advantage have come back to bite them on the A**. Pelosi and her ilk have reaped the rewards and now the consequences. I hope this story keeps getting some legs and keeps coming back. The American People as a whole will finally realise how they have been used and the push back will be a thing of beauty.
+1 for Monty Python!
Who knew about "enhanced interrogation techniques," and what information was supposedly gained (and remember, we have to take the word of the technique's proponents that it is indeed saving us from these awful fates), is not the point. To make that the point is to replace "right" with "expedience." Nor does it matter whether or not some Washington lawyer, or whether or not some treaty, or whether or not current law deems it torture. To allow others to tell you what is and is not torture is to give your sensibilities up to authority.
My grandparents knew what was and was not torture. They sent Japanese officers up the river for waterboarding. I also know what is and is not torture. I don't need some Washington lawyer or pundit to tell me the difference. Not only is torture not necessary to win against the evil forces arrayed against us, but doing so guarantees that evil has indeed won.
LOL! Watching Princess Pelosi today flapping her arms like a hen being chased by a FOX (heh) was so funny I couldn't stop laughing. This is when politics is fun, she went way out on her limb and someone started up their chain saw…hear that buuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz yep…uh huh. Someone at the CIA isn't going down without bringing some light into the issue. Yeah Nan you knew. If you had been honest at the get go you wouldn't be running around with that frightened wet cat look on your face.
Yes I've heard the music for a while now to… it drives me crazy that people won't recognize what is happening in front of us. It's some kind of dark humour of humanity, something you smile at until you fully understand what is going on, only to finally accept it and then it makes you feel really small. We are turning each other into drones instead of liberating our humanity in this way. Taken to the extreme we'll see a society of lemmings. I always liked that game as a child, it was so simple and if you messed up you could restart the level. That still works right?
Msssss. Pelosi please keep on talking you bring new light to the subject every time you speak on this subject.
Let me get this right. You are fully aware of water boarding as of Feb. 2003. Yet you do nothing about what you determine to be against the law. Your solution is to spend 6 years with your big mouth shut until your party runs congress and holds the office of the president. And you want Truth Commissions now?
Yes we should have a truth commission and it should start out by finding out about what other felonies you are hiding from the American people. What other felonies have you participated in by not upholding our constitution. Msssss. Pelosi
Oath of Office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or PURPOSE of EVASION; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God
And Wayne I am so glad your not manning the ramparts…how many familys do you want to explain your position to if you had a chance to use enhanced interrogation techniques that could have saved their dead kids? Or spouse? See your cowardice and unwillingness to actually act like you have a pair would get a lot of people KILLED! You know the road to hell is paved with good intentions, RIGHT? Act like a man….or get out of teh way and let the guys who are real men do their jobs.
The best part is that she put herself out on that limb…and started sawing herself off.
The worst (or in Nancy's case, the best) political damage is always self-inflicted.
I suggest you go READ THE INDICTMENT that was used at the end of WWII! Then go READ THE DESCRIPTION of what we did to the ragheads. BIG DIFFERENCE! And before you get all sanctimonious, I SAW real torture rooms in Iraq. Like most civilians, you don't have a clue.
Uh, unfortunately no. I am afraid all "do-overs" have been revoked.
Mr. Graham, I think that you would have to wait in line behind a few thousand grunts that have first dibs. However, I would be more than willing to let you have my place in line. The truth is that these tactics WORK! We are dealing with a culture that only respects and fears force. If you doubt that, ask yourself why it is that Isreal has not suffered an organized attack from the rest of the Arab world since the Yom Kippur War.
I know for a fact what works. And saying please to these murderers doesn't.
Gary, you most definitely have a way with words. Another blast outta the park!
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Go back and read your Ayn Rand. The ends don't justify the means.
I think Dick Cheney is the one who needs to be waterboarded!
Its a simple question, dick, did you or did you not employ torture to help justify the invasion of Iraq?
I'm not sure what the total number of Islamo Fascist prisoners is but if only 3 out of all of them got water boarded I'm pretty sure that means that they know who has the information that they want. Enhanced Interrogation Techniques works. ya ya ya you might get bad information as well but from all accounts that isn't the case. It was effective and produced actionable intelligence to stop another 9/11.
Alls fair in love and war. Make no mistake about it we are at war with Islamic Fanatics.
Look at how our own Government has handled fanatical or merely anti government groups here in the states. They usually all wind up dead. Yep no torture no inhumane treatment just dead. Perhaps it's time to take a page out of Democrat administrations play book and just kill all of them and take no prisoners. Dead men tell no lies.
For those of you who missed Pelosi's press conference I believe you can see it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sISWPzEqHLQ
May I suggest replacing waterboarding with compulsory snowboarding?
This is just ridiculously good. Thanks for the column and the laugh. You couldn't have nailed her better.
It is good there is a website like this to let the public see for themselves how mentally disturbed so many right wingers are.
Conservatives have minimal influence on how the country is governed but they sure can insult and spew nasty hated as though they actually have opinions normal people are interested in hearing.
We almost went under with 8 years of Republican fools, and thank God they’ll never hold enough power again to get another chance to bring down the USA through their ignorance.
How much did her plastic surgeon pay you to post this?
I don't understand why anyone would suggest that we take this strong, empowered, sexy woman and damage her mind and beautiful face by dripping water all over her. We as Americans should not condone exposing anyone, especially an honest and upright breath of fresh air like Ms. Pelosi, to such profound measures. Remember, Houdini died because of a similar experience, at least in the films. Be a real American, like me, and stand up for LIBERTY. And while we are standing, we can stand together against this heinous proposal, and against water boarding, and water in general. We should also take a stand against boards, which are used in water boarding. We should consider legislating that any type of board, like the ironing-, skate-, surf-, and advisory board, be submitted to the authorities so that the option for Americans to combine these boards with water does not even exist.
Nancy Pelosi is all hot and bothered over waterboarding. Well, it bothers me that such a hot woman should have to worry about being tortured by Ambassador Soval at the public pool.
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I say "burn" her anyways……..
Of course, we'd have to be real careful with the guy, what with all of the heart attacks and all.
I'll put in 10 bucks into that pot.
Let's make it a class action suit. And I know two lawyers who would be perfect for the job….
AP and Lawhawk
I thought the problem with the joke was that it was not realistic.
Someone as thick headed as Pelosi you'd need at least three bullets and that would be just to get her attention…..
A water-tight argument for your case, Mr. Graham.
(But I might argue that Ms. Pelosi virtually waterboarded herself today on national television.)
A golf tournament on tv is not truly excellent until Feherty is commenting. He is truly hilarious and keeps things from being too over the top.
As many of us know, real humor can be biting, but still has a grain of truth to it. Anyone paying attention to what has developed over the past 4-6 years knows Pelosi has sold out our military time and time again. I am not in the military, but my Dad was a Marine. The enemy as we know from Vietnam can live both at home, and in the jungle. And in the case as of late; in the desert. To deny the truthisms in what Feherty said is wrong. Not only that, but pc speak has got to go! Bad joke, good joke, or reality has got to be allowed. They have allowed some serious not funny for years at these press roasts in D.C. I give you Colbert!
On the other hand, no one wishes ill will towards any American on the level of certain death, and to suggest even slightly that our military would casually treat life in a cavalier manner is not true, but I am sure Feherty was NOT speaking of our military in such a manner. What outrages me is the lack of close examination of what he actually said in what was suggested, and in addition, what if he was right? What if the military does feel betrayed, and does he not have some idea about crazy government in that he grew up in North Ireland? People speak in realms of life experience and he has also spent quite some time with our forces in the Middle East.
Terpsichore? "Dammit Gary, I'm a doctor, not a Classical Greek Mythologist…."
ROTFLMAO….
You know how your deck gets after Thompson water sealant…….
That rain beads up and runs right off the wood……
That is exactly how water would be on Pelosi's face…it would not work…it would run right off….
Man that is one scary mug !!!!!!!
Thanks, 'That Guy'. Guess as an actor I've had so many interviews that felt like interrogations…I mix the two up. Way to keep me honest.
And no, I don't think you're completely freakin' ANAL. (Well…not completely, ha ha)
(I’m not sure ‘vacuous’ counts as transparent.)
With this bunch it does. It's all they have to offer.
What a weak and disasterous performance. While claiming the moral high ground she admits to shabbily outsourcing her moral outrage to Jane Harman. This is the profile in courage of the Democrat Party? It must make the Mossiah O so proud.
Gary, 1st, Pelosi is SO stupid she thoght the CIA would keep her secrets. 2nd, Pelosi is SO stupid she now thinks she can accuse the CIA briefers of lying to congress, a job ender, and that govt careerist hacks do not keep evidence of HER notes.
FYI, guys, there is a procedure for congessional approval under the War Powers Act and the Intel Reform Act, clarified by the Campbell vs Clinton decision (the only court precedent), which the lefties never appealed. Our former VP has stated the procedure was followed. Under the procedure, the white house makes timely filings, answers questions and must put actions on hold if the committee LEADERSHIP objects. The commitee acts under the rules of congess, with consensus powers and LEADERSHIP powers to hold hearings or not, secure facts (briefings) or not and formal votes or not. A FILED ACTION IS APPROVED IF IT IS NOT OBJECTED TO TIMELY. Any member (like Harmon) can send a letter asking questions, and need only notify leadership that they are asking a question. A LETTER SIGNED BY EITHER RANKING LEADERSHIP IS NOT ONLY A QUESTION, IT IS A HOLD. That is why Pelosi did not sign Harmon's letter. (I apologise for the caps; my underliner thingee is not obeying me).
And thank God Cheney stood up for it or else you might not be here bitching about it. lol
I know, I know, every time a trivial stab is taken at a friendly post, a unicorn loses its, uh, horn? I couldn't resist – I asked for a silly mistake, and for my sins, I was given one. You're all good in my book GG.
Presuming you’re not being sarcastic……..
You do realize Khalid Sheik Mohammed cracked after being waterboarded? Zubaydah started singing after 35 seconds [information that could be verified]. You do realize that more credible information has been gathered by waterboarding than all other techniques from all agencies combined.
gillian, gillian, gillian…I usually let your useless twaddle drift by …like some inadvertant methane eruption…but i must tell you it astounds me how you Leftists decry the "ends don't justify the means" argument when a cuddly and virtuous terrorist or pedophile or homicidal maniac want his 'human rights' protected by the ACLU…and then you and your Lefty bureaucrats turn around and force the rest of us to sacrifice our Liberties in the name of "for the greater good". Your only excuse for being so dim is that you are probably quite young, in which case, you are forgiven for your folly. As you age and mature, my hope for you is that you read about our founders' vision for this country. "THE LAW"…"COMMON SENSE"…and "THE FEDERALIST PAPERS" are an excellent start. Then go over the Constitution with a clear mind. And oh yes…Ayn Rand's ATLAS SHRUGGED. –hugs
Leftist Collectivism is the quickest way to tyranny.
Did someone say profit. . . er lawsuit? This is the most egregious violation of your rights that I have ever seen. We should sue immediately!
And the rest of you, you might be injured and not even know it! Think about it!
What happens behind closed doors at Casa Pelosi. . . stays behind closed doors at Casa Pelosi.
So using your standards Keith Olbermann and Janeane Garofalo, the two biggest hatemongers in the media are the face of the Democrat Party. I'm okay with that. lol
I was informed about waterboarding before I denied being informed about waterboarding and was for waterboarding before I was against waterboarding and ….
wow, how did John Effin' Kerry keep all this stuff straight?
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Remember, your brain only has so many connections until eventual dementia, don;t let liberals clutter them with nonsense. Stop the nonsense …. Call 555 Get Nancy …. operators are standing by
Yeah…………….
and I think Obama needs to be strung up by his thumbs and forced to watch John Wayne movies, on VHS, until he produces a verifiable long form birth certificate. Kenya doesn't count.
We seem to be at an impasse.
Pelosi: You want answers?
Graham: I think I'm entitled to them!
Pelosi: You want answers?
Graham: I want the TRUTH!
Pelosi: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
I…am…greaviously…injured. I have fear that I may be injured more and don't even know it yet. I am now afraid of water AND boards. Please help me get big buc..er…justice!
Its not even civilians. Its some civilians. Most of the people on the left freaking out about giving KSM and his Abu Spa Days at Club Gitmo have never had a bad thing ever happen to them. They live in this bubble of unreality and only live in a world thats at the end of their noses. Most saw 9-11 on TV and to them, to this day they probably look on it, when the date drifts through their addlepated pea brains and they remember it, it probably has the meaning of American Idol or the Great Race. They look on it as a reality tv show. THey are so far removed by their own ignorance that they don't get it. They won't get it. Conservatives who have a hard time dealing with it have religious or moral reasons which make no sense to me and I am a pretty religious person.
Let's quit screwing around and draw and quarter the beeyotch.
Somebody end this guy's waterboarding session RIGHT NOW! He's obviously projecting.
I'll join if we can also get pie?
It's just shocking. In fact, I lie awake at night crying about your injury. It's truly tragic. We must seek just compensation for the horrors that have been inflicted upon you. Minus my fee and expenses of course.
If I ran the world JimBob7, there would be pie for all! That's right, a pie in every fridge! Yes we can. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask where you can collect your pie.
But, sadly, I don't run the world. Obama, some Euro trash, and that Chinese guy are running it right now, and they don't seem to understand the magic that is. . . pie.
PCL is a serious condition. I have testimonials — just listen to Bev below. This is a tragic condition that we must be brave enough to rectify with cold, hard cash (less legal fees and expenses).
It’s easy to be so idealistically naïve from the comfort of your home when your security is provided for by men and women willing to do what’s needed to protect you. Clinton’s leftwing sensibilities allowed Atta to continue to plot the terror of 9/11 after he was identified by FBI agents as a suspected terrorist in an active cell and the rest is history; nearly 3000 Americans murdered, more than were killed at Pearl Harbor. The real world is not a leftwing hug group, it’s a violent callous place and those that plot our destruction need to be treated accordingly.
Gentlemen, +1 for all of you. Brilliant!
Ah, disappearing post syndrome — DiPS.
Hey, that's from that movie where the slick, obnoxious lawyer tricks the hero into incriminating himself.
Imperial Dragon Lady of the Galactic House, Darth NecroNancy the Preposterous – visual proof that The Dark Side of the Force reduces every beauty to hideousness – has, at last, revealed herself to the Jedi Council as The Sith Mother of All Liars. But is she the Master, or only the Apprentice?
Okay, I will not settle for less than $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.95 and/or a year's supply of pie. But I will settle for the pie only if the hopefully Soon to be Former Speaker of the House of Representative Nancy Pelosi bakes it herself. I have to go have a Pelosi press conference flash back. Aaaahhhhhh…
Okay, I'm up for a challenge. Has Nancy Pelosi possibly poured hot coffee on you? Maybe while waterboarding you?
If not, can you make her pour hot coffee on you? (I did not say this, I was not here.)
Dem or GOP, I don't think I would be going out of my way to dump on the CIA. These guys know pretty much anything they want to. If they went public against NP, they have their ducks in a row.
Can anyone say, Speaker Hoyer?
Pelosi is a dead man walking.
You parrot that quite nicely. So, you are saying that scaring someone into giving up information about mass murder is not morally OK"? You are kidding right?
If we can't scare terrorists, what do we do, ask them really nicely?:
I can talk to "friends" at a certain 3-lettered covert government agency. I am sure they would be happy to arrange to produce certain meeting notes alluding to a certain hot beverage spilt by a certain person, and that this certain person purposely and with malice of forethought did something with that certain hot beverage and did not apologize for it. And said other person was probably permanently scarred, so the Super Model career was ruined. So add future loss of wages – lots and lots of future wages lost! But you did not hear that from me. I wasn't here either…
Just as an aside — when Pelosi (may she live long, but not necessarily prosper) finally dies, and is laid out in her casket for viewing, most people's reaction will be that she looks — surprised.
When Pelosi and others with her cosmetic surgical history are someday exhumed by archaeologists of a time in the distant future, these archaeologists will come to the logical, if somewhat errant, conclusion that we were a race of people who worshipped silicone-filled sacks, and buried women of the wealthiest classes with them.
Does she float like a very small rock?
Nancy will be protected of course, but your sentiments are absolutely correct, Gary. I heard from U.S.S.Ben that Lone Survivor will be made into a movie and it seems to me you would be perfect for a role in it.
I disagree with the premise of the argument. Waterboarding is not torture. It does not maim, injure or disfigure its subject. It doesn't even cause physical pain. One of my buddies who was an intel Marine was waterboarded in training-until he was UNCONCIOUS. I'm sick of the whining of these left wing pussies who are so solicitous of the wellbeing of a bunch of barnyard animal terrorists. If we can do it to our own peopIe in training, IT AIN'T TORTURE! I love how Nana spent 8 years telling us what a dumbass GWB was, but somehow he managed to fool her. I guess Corky was too busy to run for Congress from SF.
CIA ran its own bureaucratic jihad against Bush-and he never accused them of misleading him. He just tried to change an organization that was bloated and had many failures-including 9/11 and WMD in Iraq. I can't wait to see what they do to the old girl. Just watch and see what starts leaking out of the hermetically sealed double top secret agency.
Ma'am, I stand corrected. I know that there are many of my fellow Americans do get it. And I am humbled to have the support of many on this blog including you. My frustration with this comes from the fact that there were things that I had to do on the battlefield to keep my boys alive and these trolls would happily put me in Leavenworth.
And what a great word addlepated is to describe the pinheads. I haven't heard it in years.
I find this whole thing a little silly, I don't belief for a second, no make that a New York second, that anything is going to come if it. Other than some in the Bush administration will not get dragged thru the courts. You really think anything is going to happen to the Queen Bee now do you? After all Speaker Pelosi has a D at the end of her name ie: Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D) CA. Not Rep Nancy Pelosi (R) WY. one gets a free ride and the other well gets jail.
I would rather see the teleprompter taken away until he produces said document.
SUA SPONTE
SEMPER FI Jarhead <salute rendered>
No, it won't bring Speaker Botox down- but it's the steady drip, drip, drip into the electoral consciousness that the Democratic Left are lying sacks of, er, silicone who place political posturing above integrity, honesty, truth, or the security of the nation.
A four percent swing, folks.
My father was ex Air Force so as a fellow service brat I understand.
Your right of course. What gets me is the hipocrisy of the liberal press that cries foul at this joke but then looks the other way at a movie whose premise is liberals get together to kill a conservative.
A joke is a joke and quite frankly the 2 shots in the head one is somewhat old anyways.
As for the military being out down it has gotten to the point that it is expected that they will act like this. I wonder what would happen in Feherty just said "F'you if you can't take a joke, you libs say worse and left it at that". I don't understand why we can't just ignore their doublestandard.
LEet'm B'ch I say.
Come now guys
I am sure Strech Pelosi has had the necessary plastic surgeries, how bad could it be….
Nevermind
I think addlepated is an outstanding word. I appreciate your service. You have to know some of us have a real connection to whats going on and as I have family in the military I know where you are coming from. To these leftwing dolts, I have this to say: They hate you all as much as they hate us so whatcha ya gonna do? Sing Kumbayah? Maybe while Achmed al Kaboom is sharpening his knife to saw your heads off you can think of something compassionate that might save your worthless livesbut I don't think these guys would care. They certainly didn't give a damn about Danny Pearl and he merely like you all wanted to understand? Maybe you can understand when your dead? I don't know. I also don't care to find out.
I know instead of waterboarding terrorists why don't w simply send missiles into random civillian populations on the off chance we might kill terrorists like Clinton and Obama. Or do you think that does not have to be answered for just because the press does not talk about it.
Why don't you do me a favor and google "The Bataan Death March". This claim that we jailed Japanese for waterboarding story is abject nonsense. MacArthur willfully decided NOT to prosecute several ranking members of the Japanese military in order to facilitate putting a democracy in place.. To in any sense sir compare the acts of the Japanese in WWII with our current practices is simply unconscionable. There is no comparison and the claim is base slander.
Yeah, anything happening to her is a long shot, but they are a treacherous bunch. Hoyer and the long knives are out. But, instead of her honest and steady leadership, that we'll all surely miss, she can retire to Napa valley and stomp grapes all day in the vinyards. It's either national heathcare or a really tasty zinfidel. I vote for the zin!
hey CD…I'm not sure what your point is. (Are you?) It's sooo politically correct and boring to carry this animus toward the former VP, but… Focus, please. Why do you think Cheney should be waterboarded… and in what way would he conceivably have employed torture "to help justify the invasion of Iraq"?
Are you sure it wouldn't take a wooden stake to the heart? Let's go old-school full-on, cut off the head, stuff it full of garlic, burn everything. Might take a lot of garlic to fill that empty space between the ears.
yer killin' me, Marine… Hoo-ahh!!
You do not want Pelosi pie, considering the possible ingredients. You might get off easy with the eye of newt and nightshade filling, but, well, when you recall the details of the Hansel and Gretel incident… Note, these are modern times, set the oven on the high-temp cleaning setting to be certain. We don't want her to get away again.
It fails, Pelosi can't even remember the truth.
At first I thought it was Cyrus the Virus played by MALKOVICH. But I believe it was Steve Bucsemi's character.
Cider!
I would've thought he'd try to bribe Gary to not mention his botched work. Unless you're thinking all the water exposure would soften up the skin a bit so it doesn't look so bad. Who knows, she might actually be able to blink again!
The end DOES justify the mean. Ask Barry.
Gary, "get Pelosi in a bathing suit", thanks so much for that little piece of mental waterboarding. Clinton and the Clintonistas never came off the total denial soapbox until the blue dress with the dried up Wilie tadpoles on it showed up. Unless a video recording, audio recording or maybe a written transcript of the meeting finds it's way into the light Pelosi and her army of flying monkeys aren't coming down from the witches castle either. Pelosi in a bathing suit – oh man, no REM sleep tonite.
http://shermansmarch.blogspot.com
Would this free pie be distributed just like the free cheese was? Remember, good fresh pie has a short expiration time. For government to distribute it within their standard timeframe, it'd have to be so laden with preservatives I could hang it on the wall for decoration until I get around to it. Please hold off until after they nationalize dentistry, so I can have the thin hope that someday the resulting loose and broken teeth can get fixed without having to sue the government for damages. If you don't I'll likely be out of luck, as there'll probably be a class-action suit with the notification I'm part of it being posted in a major newspaper, and who reads those?
What if the CIA lied to Pelosi and to the Congress. They just made the statement that maybe they got their dates kinda screwed up, Hahahaha LOL ;p OhNoes you cons are wrong agin.
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May 15, 2009
Pelosi and Torture – Bombshell Evidence that the CIA Invented Evidence of Informing Democrats
By Steven Leser
Watching today's press conference where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) tried to defend herself against allegations she was briefed about enhanced interrogation techniques prior to their use was itself torturous. See "Pelosi Accuses CIA of 'Misleading' Her on Interrogations" http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing... that says among other things:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi… acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago…called for the CIA to release detailed notes from her own September 2002 briefing about interrogation techniques. She said today that, at that 2002 briefing, she was told the CIA was not waterboarding detainees
"At every step of the way, the administration was misleading the Congress. And that is the issue," Pelosi said in a heated news conference…
Today was Pelosi's first chance to address the interrogation briefing issue since the CIA released a detailed memo last Thursday outlining 40 congressional briefings given since September 2002 regarding the use of what it calls "enhanced interrogation techniques" on suspected terrorists. That memo included footnotes that appeared to contradict Pelosi's previous statements that she was never personally briefed by Bush administration officials on the use of such tactics, including waterboarding, a controversial technique that simulates drowning.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
OhNoes when will the Cons attack the CIA for lying like a cheap rug. OhNoes The Cons are wrong again. Too bad Cheney thinksa that lies can help the Repulsive Party now. Woot Wooot Wooot
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Believing Pelosi was becoming difficult. It seemed she was coming up with different versions of events. Then I thought about this a little bit. If someone asked me to recall and recount something I was told six or seven years ago, I would have problems doing so. Even if the event was a prominent one, I think I would miss details. Still, having seen several variations of her story about what she knew and when she knew it, there was the perception she was hiding or embarrassed about something.
A bombshell was dropped today in the form of a revelation that former Florida Senator Bob Graham said that the CIA claims he was briefed twice on torture but those briefings never took place. Senator Graham made these allegations on WNYC’s Brian Lehrer show, see http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/sena... / . If you are familiar with Bob Graham, you know he is the guy that was lampooned for writing down everything that happened and each person he met every day in his journals. If something isn't in his journals, it never happened. As a result, he knows EXACTLY what took place during those two days on which the CIA claims the briefings took place and he was never briefed. Score one for Bob Graham's journals. To those people who liked to make fun of them, I guess they don't seem so funny now, do they?
Bob Graham
Once confronted with Graham's evidence, the CIA started backtracking and saying that they may have been mistaken about the briefings and dates in question. Can a complete vindication of Pelosi be far behind? Speaker Pelosi should be aggressive and demand an investigation into who the CIA informed and when. The bad perceptions some people still may have are intolerable. The issue of torture is one on which Democrats should and must be unequivocal. Republicans can try to justify torture and those who approved it if that is what they want to do, but for Democrats, it is as President Obama said, "We Do Not Torture". It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
Since it should be obvious to just about everyone by now that investigations is where this is heading, President Obama has to face the situation and deal with it. I know he didn't want to address this now, and truth be told, I would have preferred that this waited until after Universal Healthcare and other important initiatives of the administration were addressed, but there is no other choice left. Obama has to appoint an independent counsel to probe allegations of torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the former administration.
Once we start an investigation, then we will see who starts backtracking on comments. Consider the various defenses the Bush administration and its former members has been using just in the past few months as written by a commenter to the above article at Emptywheel:
1) It was no big deal, we didn’t torture “that” much or “that” severely.
2) We don’t torture. Never tortured. Never hurt anyone…only saved lives.
3) If we did torture, it was the Democrats’ fault for not stopping us. And anyone who was tortured deserved it.
The country will be better for this investigation. Torture isn't just wrong, it is criminal and it is ineffective. An investigation would show how military intelligence officers tried to protest its use on multiple occasions and were ignored by the Bush administration. An investigation would show that the attacks that former Vice President Dick Cheney claims were prevented by intelligence gathered by torture were in fact thwarted with intelligence obtained through other means. Finally, an investigation and punishment of those responsible would show the world that the United States intends to live up to its creed and to the Geneva conventions on torture that have been in existence and well known to every member of the international community for the past 70+ years.
OhNoes when will the Cons attack the CIA for lying like a cheap rug. OhNoes The Cons are wrong again. Too bad Cheney thinksa that lies can help the Repulsive Party now. Woot Wooot Wooot
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Believing Pelosi was becoming difficult. It seemed she was coming up with different versions of events. Then I thought about this a little bit. If someone asked me to recall and recount something I was told six or seven years ago, I would have problems doing so. Even if the event was a prominent one, I think I would miss details. Still, having seen several variations of her story about what she knew and when she knew it, there was the perception she was hiding or embarrassed about something.
A bombshell was dropped today in the form of a revelation that former Florida Senator Bob Graham said that the CIA claims he was briefed twice on torture but those briefings never took place. Senator Graham made these allegations on WNYC’s Brian Lehrer show, see http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/sena... / . If you are familiar with Bob Graham, you know he is the guy that was lampooned for writing down everything that happened and each person he met every day in his journals. If something isn't in his journals, it never happened. As a result, he knows EXACTLY what took place during those two days on which the CIA claims the briefings took place and he was never briefed. Score one for Bob Graham's journals. To those people who liked to make fun of them, I guess they don't seem so funny now, do they?
Bob Graham
Once confronted with Graham's evidence, the CIA started backtracking and saying that they may have been mistaken about the briefings and dates in question. Can a complete vindication of Pelosi be far behind? Speaker Pelosi should be aggressive and demand an investigation into who the CIA informed and when. The bad perceptions some people still may have are intolerable. The issue of torture is one on which Democrats should and must be unequivocal. Republicans can try to justify torture and those who approved it if that is what they want to do, but for Democrats, it is as President Obama said, "We Do Not Torture". It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
Since it should be obvious to just about everyone by now that investigations is where this is heading, President Obama has to face the situation and deal with it. I know he didn't want to address this now, and truth be told, I would have preferred that this waited until after Universal Healthcare and other important initiatives of the administration were addressed, but there is no other choice left. Obama has to appoint an independent counsel to probe allegations of torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the former administration.
Once we start an investigation, then we will see who starts backtracking on comments. Consider the various defenses the Bush administration and its former members has been using just in the past few months as written by a commenter to the above article at Emptywheel:
1) It was no big deal, we didn’t torture “that” much or “that” severely.
2) We don’t torture. Never tortured. Never hurt anyone…only saved lives.
3) If we did torture, it was the Democrats’ fault for not stopping us. And anyone who was tortured deserved it.
The country will be better for this investigation. Torture isn't just wrong, it is criminal and it is ineffective. An investigation would show how military intelligence officers tried to protest its use on multiple occasions and were ignored by the Bush administration. An investigation would show that the attacks that former Vice President Dick Cheney claims were prevented by intelligence gathered by torture were in fact thwarted with intelligence obtained through other means. Finally, an investigation and punishment of those responsible would show the world that the United States intends to live up to its creed and to the Geneva conventions on torture that have been in existence and well known to every member of the international community for the past 70+ years.
Man, would I love that. (And I know my way around an M-4.)
Marcus Luttrell's book was my favorite read last year. Go SEALs!!
Even if you held Pelosi underwater, the 3 pounds of pancake makeup sloughing off would make ya let go in horror.
I laughed when Jack shot Jobeth Williams in the knee last year. Gotta love that drama
I bet Hannity would beat the crap out of Ogreman if he could. You know Keith would run like Perez Hilton's nylons.
I shudder to imagine how bad it could be. She’s 69 years old and has 5 kids..
"Does Ms. Speaker Pelosi really think that we are buying this story, well actually these stories?"
Yes.
But remember, Ms. Pelosi comes from a place where the locals keep choosing her to be their representative.
Gillian –
You miss the point. Torture doesn't work. But, waterboarding sure does.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...
She's just afraid of being revealed as the New York Times leak.
I'm sure this is worth at least as much as all the taxes the government has withheld from our household earnngs since the Democrats have held power in Congress in 2006. At least that much …
Why not waterboard the only people so far that have been caught lying about these phantom "breifings", the guys from the CIA? Former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham caught them lying, and this lends credence to Speaker Pelosi's story. The Republican/Neocon/Post Bush Fan Club, and their elected idols like John Boehner scream about Boogeywoman Pelosi…they've been doing this since 2006, while the rest of the country has been productively moving forward.
Time to grow up, people, we're finding out the facts about why the Bush Administration was so keen on torture…it's starting to look like they made it policy because they desparately needed justification for their phoney war. Have a good day.
eeewwwww. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. I presume you mean potty water and not eau de toilette.
I thought that the Bush team was stupid? So you’re saying they fooled Nancy and her gang, where does that leave them?
Nancy Pelosi's performance at her press conference was akin to a kid trying to convince her teacher that the dog ate her homework.
http://the100mostannoyingthings.blogspot.com/
Jim, Did you really mean to say cosmetic, or Comedic surgery?
Thank you for your comment, but I didn't say anything about Bush or his team being stupid. Didn't say they "fooled Nancy and her gang", either. Try sticking to what I did actually say.
What I said was "it's starting to look like they made it (torture) policy because they desparately needed justification for their phoney war". I'll stick by that.
Torture you say was a policy to justify a phony war. Define torture, and what phony war? How would you handle Khalid Sheik Muhammad, Abu Zudaydah? lets say hypothetically one of your kids where their targets, what would AuntBarb do to save their lives?
Pelosi is either lying or incompetent. She can take her pick. Even the most anti-waterboarding, fanatical liberal would have to agree. She can't have it both ways. Either she is flat out lying to save her skin or she is so incompetent that she had no idea what was happening on the intelligence committee while she was the ranking member of her party. Who exactly is paying her for what? Can I have her job? As with most in congress (both rep and dem) an absolute embarassment.
Thank you for your second comment. But I feel silly arguing with another rewrite of my words.
"it's starting to look like they made it (torture) policy because they desparately needed justification for their phoney war". That's how it's starting to look to me, and I still stick to that.
I also said the only people who've been caught lying about this were CIA people, and they got exposed when they claimed former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Senator Bob Graham was breifed on torture twice…on days when he did not attend any briefings of any kind. I'm sure you read about that…any comment?
PS: If I thought they were torturing people to save American lives, I wouldn't bat an eyelash. I just question that being the real motive.
Darn! I thought of the same thing! Good catch Spitz! I saw the title of this thought 'hey, she'd melt!' hahaha.
Pelosi is misleading the public. Pelosi should resign her position in Congress.
That’s convenient, I guess you’d let a family member die. I admire your principles.
Thank you. This was an interesting, stimulating back and forth.
I can't wait for this explosion. How much stuff does Pelosi have on the other dems? Don't you think that if this woman is going down(not that way "shudder") she WILL TAKE OTHERS DOWN WITH HER???? Come one Nancy, you know you can' t take one for the team. Let it out, babe, let it ALL out.
Oh, she floats….but it's more like a salem witch.
Locals like Lawhawk. . .
(just kidding Lawhawk, please don't kill me)
LOL What was it the Glenda the GOOD witch in the Wizard of OZ said to Dorothy about bad witches …
Only mean witches are ugly my dear winx
Someone made the point recently that to date more reporters have been waterboarded than actual terrorists!
Even before 9/11, Bush, Cheney, Rumfeld and the lot all had their sites set on Iraq. After 9/11, they were frustrated that all there was to chase in Afganistan was a bunch of guys hiding in little villages and caves. They wanted to leverage 9/11 (and our nation's mood in the wake of it) to make the case for Iraq.
One way they did this was to beat the snot out of any Al Queda guy they could get their hands on, so as to make them cough up something linking Bin Laden to Saddam. (never mind everything that U.S. intelligence and other experts knew about the enmity between Saddam’s Baath Party and Osama bin Laden’s jihadists).
Lawrence Wilkerson, the retired Army colonel and former senior State Department aide to Colin Powell, said bluntly that when the administration first authorized "harsh interrogation" during the spring of 2002, "its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qaida."
check it out:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/05...
As Rush has said, "If that's 'torture,' then I weigh 102 pounds!" We don't use "torture" to extract confessions, in any case. We use what some idiots refer to as "torture" to obtain information that we otherwise may not get from those in possession of vital information. It's pretty clear that waterboarding the 9/11 "mastermind" stopped a similar and subsequent attack on Los Angeles. Judging from some of the blithering idiots who inhabit the place, maybe we should have just let them do it….after suitably warning Mr. Graham and friends first, of course.
How braindead do you have to be to be "calling out" the CIA. What a stupid Biatch!!
Wow, how revealing. Your "proof" is an unsourced statement by an anti-conservative RINO who was an aide to an anti-conservative RINO with an ax to grind against Bush-Cheney who supported Obama, found in a post written exclusively for a "left-leaning" blog. Amazing. Given your quick ability to bring up such irrefutable evidence from unassailable sources, it's surprising you're not more highly regarded on this site.
Thankfully this is the digital age, mysterious packages sent in the mail from a San Fran address don't have to be ticking. Did you catch that post elsewhere wondering if you're going to be chafing now that the summer heat is here? Be sure to post thanks for the "baby powder" after you receive it, the sooner the better.
Witness science gone bad in the merging of AuntieFascist and CgntvDssdnt. The Star Trek movie just came out, and already we have a transporter malfunction?
Pelosi is either lying or incompetent.
I disagree, she can clearly be both. She isn't even up to the Bill Clinton standard.
Say – I think you might be a Wanda Sykes wanna be…. Too Funny! So your game is ridicule and label those with who you can't logically discuss the topic and you don't agree with, eh? Real intelligent retort there dude…
Wow, do I detect a note of sarcasm? Well, in the spirit of that, I AM SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I say that I failed to impress you with my link to a left leaning blog. Nothing like a little ad hominem discrediting here on a Friday, eh?
The real question is: is it true or not? well, you believe whatever you like that fits into your worldview then. I always encourage everyone to do just that. thankfully, the tide has turned and you guys are out of power and no longer able to trash our foreign policy.
Which she may yet do by producing a note from the vet, soon as she can get one that doesn't mention how much gravy she smeared on the homework. Although she seems instead to be relying on a time-worn Democratic defense, if we don't believe her then we can search for the proof in the smelly mess that remains, if we decide not to look then she must be innocent. If people are determined and still don't find proof, then she's still innocent as obviously it was destroyed.
No, we'll send Shran to do the waterboarding, he would do a much better job than Soval (Ambassador Soval can attest to that)…LOL!
Everyone familiar with the case claims that waterboarding did work. Waterboarding is not torture, but it is effective. As to real damaging torture, envision your Snooty Snotty Obama drilling a hole in the head of a newborn baby and sucking out its brains. That is torture. Leftists have no moral stand on any moral issue since they seem to be void of morality individually. You call night day and day night. You put evil for good and good for evil. You are incapable of having a valid opinion on this.
It is good there is a website like this to let the public see for themselves how mentally disturbed so many left wingers are.
Communists have minimal influence on how the country is governed but they sure can insult and spew nasty hated as though they actually have opinions normal people are interested in hearing.
We almost went under with 8 years of Republican leadership, and thank Allah they’ll never hold enough power again to get another chance to bring down the Jihad through their interference.
Just doing my part to promote "truth in rhetoric."
Back in the good old days when I ran troops through training we had courses in what was called Survival, Escape and Evasion. We would put the troops in wall-lockers and beat on it with baseball bats, bury them alive an dunk them in garbage pails upside down, which is I imagine is worse than waterboarding because you could actually drown. We never lost anybody and not a single congress person every stood up and complained although I image many saw the practice since it was part of regular army training and they were always visiting and inspecting. The training was never off limits and I’m sure troops wrote home to mom and dad about their experiences. So what is all the fuse about doing this to three of the most dangerous terrorists in the world. It’s not like we rounded up all the American citizen of Japanese descent, seized the property and business and put them in concentration camps or did any of the really enhanced integration techniques LBJ authorized or at least turned a blind eye to in Viet Nam. So like the article says give the lady a bath, if it’s good enough for the men and women who defend this country is surly is good enough for those who run it down.
It'll still get over a million hits on YouTube.
Gents (and ladies…) — A spirited and lively debate! Well done, props and kudo's. (and thanks, Pappadave, for advanced warnings, lol)
Mark, I feel ya, brother. The Castration of America has taken a lot of time and patience. THANKS, DEMOCRATS!
I would submit a prediction… Pelosi's desperation breeding nasty counterattacks. She tried yesterday to hang it all on some sort of sinister 'Republican diversion'…but the gender card has not been played. YET. Get ready, fellow Conservatives, to be labeled MISOGYNISTS. After that fails to gain traction, she will cuddle up to Big-O and we then will be RACIST MISOGYNISTS. (It's all about how we hate Blacks and Women, dontcha know — I can hear J. Garafalo now.) And accordingly, they'll trot out popular Michelle Obama to throw a few daggers at the Repubs.
Then, in a brilliant counter-offensive, the Repubs will put Michael Steele and Condoleeza Rice together…in a chariot…and they'll ride full speed to the Capitol Building… Condi will draw a golden bow and shoot flaming arrows at the Democratic leadership amassed on the Capitol steps, who then catapult a deadly fusilade of ACLU lawyers at the chariot… Steele and Rice, battered and litigated to near death…gasping quotes from Abe Lincoln…when suddenly an A-10 Thunderbolt swoops in, lights up the Dems with the 30mm cannon, and lands. Out pops George Bush who says, "Mission accomplished!" Cheney rappels in from a Little Boy helicopter, firing his shotgun wildly, nearly taking President Bush's head off…but they chuckle and high-five each other, and …and.. No…wait a second… sorry! THAT was a dream I had last night.
damn…seemed so real…
You mean our current foreign policy where Barry gets doe-eyed and teary, confesses how naughty the US has been and how we deserve a good spanking, then gets on his knees and offers to kiss whatever if it will make things better and we can all be friends again? Who would want to trash that?
Nah, the problem is you tried to link to hearsay as proof. Judge Judy would mop up the floor with you.
At least I knew what Stan was talking about, even though I didn't see that it had much relevance to what I was saying.
I'll wait and see how this whole thing works out. I predict that Rush, Newt, and Boehner are going to be disappointed. At least the first two will make some bucks screaming about it.
Extra points to BDB for the correct answer.
Was there anything worth commenting about directly in what you said? You refer to what was done as torture as if it was a proven fact despite the ongoing debate. You refer to the Iraq War as phony despite several valid reasons for engaging in it. You mention it was done because they desperately needed justification when they clearly had enough grounds for the time. And you phrase your statement to imply protecting our country from another terrorist attack was of lesser importance to Bush-Cheney than furthering an agenda against a tyrant who should have been left alone, basically accusing them of violating their Oaths of Office and committing treason without a shred of proof. Nothing there, nothing to address.
Gary, you are definitely a child of the ‘60s and ‘70s, with that wild imagination and trippy dream sequence, cool! Keep it coming brother a lot of fun.
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Whatever, dude. that's 99% your lamo spin on what really happened.
What really happened is that the POTUSA can rightly once again claim the title, "leader of the free world", where it is the free world that looks up to US, and we LEAD.
The sad part is you appear to actually believe that. Who would have thought the guy following the horses with a bucket and shovel was really leading them?
Please feel free to appear at the UN and inform them how Barry is the rightful leader of the "free world," remind them how much they look up to us, and inquire how well they'll be following Barry's lead. Beforehand have your name and address tattooed on your body in several places to make for easier identification later.
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(Yes that was to make the reply show up… Stupid system!)
Conservatives have minimal influence on how the country is governed but they sure can insult and spew nasty hated as though they actually have opinions normal people are interested in hearing.
Yes, like saying people who disagree with them are disturbed.
Oh wait, that was you.
That's a bit better than the Star Trek remarks, but I still don't think I've made myself clear to you.
But, we seem to be in agreement on one thing…you haven't at all commented directly (or even indirectly) on what I've actually said.
Morning Barb. Maybe the conversation could progress if the link could be drawn between torture and Iraq, is that the phony war? War on terror? What?
Sen, Graham quite frankly is little air headed, and like all Washington politicians right and left is unfamiliar with the truth, when politics are in play, witness Pelosi of late.
Khalid Sheik Muhammad, Abu Zudaydah and one other scum bag terrorist was waterboarded, who cares, and apparently a 9/11 attack on LA was averted. This is good, and I hope when Obama is faced with the same choice he takes whatever coarse is necessary to save life.
I didn't say there was a link. I said it's beginning to look like there is one. You seem intelligent enough to separate opinion from hard fact.
Why do you think Bob Graham is air headed? He seems to have a clearer idea of his day to day activities than the CIA does. We're still waiting for them to correct their appointment book.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/us/politics/16c...
Paragraphs 9, 10, and 11. I find it hard to believe that our primary intelligence gathering agency can't keep records as accurately as a Senator with a spiral notebook. Makes me wonder if they're the liars.
Perhaps! To have any link the premise needs to be sound, you seem bright enough, what phony war?
Sen. Graham, just an opinion. To the larger point to believe anything that comes out of Washington right or left as fact is foolish, my opinion.
I’d prefer to read tea leaves as try to gather facts from the NYT’s. All Washington politicians are liars.
If by "Perhaps!" you mean that perhaps the CIA is lying, then we're in agreement on something. Still haven't heard them reject Graham's words, still haven't heard them say a word about it at all. Methinks the CIA supervisor who compiled the erroneous (or deceitful?) briefing dates is in for a bit of hot water.
I don't know why Bush and Cheney wanted a war with Iraq so badly, but I don't think it was for our security. In fact, I think it made things worse by distracting us badly on our efforts in Afghanistan (just as "airhead" Graham thinks) and has made our situation worse in both theaters. Also was a recruiting boon for our enemies, and created a couple of new ones, to boot. (I know that's not original, but I feel it's true). So I call it a phoney war, although it's real enough. Maybe I should have said pointless, stupid, damaging war?
PS: I understand that your words on Graham are an opinion. What I'd like to know is why you have that opinion?
My point Barb is that all Washington politicians lie, at the time of the start of the Iraq war George Tenet was CIA chief, a Clinton holdover. The opinion about Iraq and WMD’s was an almost unanimous belief of the “intelligence” community around the world, who knows really? Washington politicians right and left lined up against Iraq, Kerry, (both) Clinton’s, McCain, Powell, Tenet, Bush, super majorities in both houses, etc. for whatever that's worth. But, is it plausible that Iraq had evil intent against the USA, yes, and regardless of what I believe and you believe our country has been kept safe for seven years, so I say, well done.
To your Post Script: I’m probably not the best person to rate Washington politicians of any stripe, if you will allow a juvenile response, eh…hmm… “they all suck!”
Well, I consider myself a cynic but I guess I'm a lightweight. I'll hang onto the notion that there might be one or two (relatively) honest people in DC, as naive as that may be. Bob Graham, by the way, voted no on Iraq…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...
Yeah, I know it's the Washington Post. But I think it's important to read a few national newspapers, if one is to keep well informed.
Barb, a little cynicism is healthy. Whether or not there’s an honest politician, though it’s counter intuitive, maybe? I know Sen, Graham voted against Iraq. Through the ‘70s and ‘80s I subscribed to US News & World Report, Newsweek, Time, The Wall Street Journal, and the Atlanta Journal/Constitution. The 4th estate has lost all credibility with me, they don’t state the news but like you and I, an opinion, which leans invariably left.
Funny, isn't it, how her latest version of events has her "distracted" by what she saw as the need to take back Congress and that's what she was focusing on instead of focusing on the safety of the country–which is, after all, the principle function of Congress. In other words, if true (which I doubt), she put the political future of her Party over the serious business of protecting the nation from another attack. That alone is reason enough for her to not only resign as speaker, but resign as a Congress critter altogether.
I logically declare "Waterboarding Pelosi" to be a stupid comment. I also say that all the posts like "she's ugly" or "let's overthrow the government" or "it's OK to torture prisoners hundreds of times until they give us a non-reliable reason to invade Iraq" or "Limbaugh cares about America" or "Conservatives have a clue as to what our nation needs,” well, I declare people who say any of those statements to be pitifully stupid. Go find someone else's country to destroy, losers.
Jihad this Pal – I love my country.
Of COURSE you do, ddaichiro. That must be why you have such contempt for the majority of the population, huh? Wake up and smell the coffee. It's the left and their sycophants in the media that are hell-bent on destroying us…not conservatives. Obama says he wants to "change" America. The only change America needs is for those of you so enamored with European socialism to just GO where it already exists and leave our country to those who REALLY love it…like it used to be before your buddies started tearing it down.
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I think what you are trying to say is: *Conservatives are the majority of the population. *People don’t want change & *Things were great until liberals started tearing down the country.
Sir, I appreciate your feelings. I am only one of a great number of American working people who want to get rid of the politicians who do what the bank lobbyists pay them to, who want to see a bigger slice of the pie go to those who do the work and less to those who profit from their labor, who want to end once and for all living under blackmail conditions of gas prices at 5 bucks a gallon whenever the fat cats feel like charging that much, and want to see the common folk survive even if they have a kid with cancer or get hit with a serious medical condition instead of seeing insurance company profiteers pay Rush Limbaugh or Fox News to brainwash uneducated hicks into believing multi-billionaires are their friends.
I thank God that you people cannot possibly cover up what a horrible President did for 8 long years and what a shameful disaster Wall Street dumped all over the United States in 2008. Rush or Ann Coulter or Mark Levin or all the professional Republicans you can pay WILL NEVER wipe out what was done. I see energy put to better use by a hamster spinning in his wheel.
Dood… Bongwater is not a beverage!
I'm not saying people don't want change, my friend. I'm saying that changing from a capitalist system to a socialist system is a recipe for utter disaster and that's NOT what they want. They (We) want a change back to the country we enjoyed before the spoiled brats of the '60's decided that stealing from those who earn a living and giving stuff away to those who refuse to do so is a good idea. We want change back to a country as envisioned by Dr. King, where people are provided with an economic climate where ANYONE can prosper if they are intelligent, work hard, have talent and ambition and are honest, REGARDLESS of race, sex or ethnicity. Frankly, we're fed up to here with the phony "compassion" of liberals who've destroyed the public schools in the name of secular humanism and who are, by FAR, the most racist among us and the most hypocritical bunch of morons it's been my misfortune to witness at work…all in the name of grabbing and keeping as much political power as possible while holding the "proletariat " in utter contempt.
President Bush and I part company on many things, but he's nowhere NEAR as terrible a President as Obama promises to be, judging from his performance so far. Wall Street didn't "dump" a disaster on us, ddaichiro. CONGRESS did. The Dimocrats, ably aided and abetted by the so-called "mainstream media" have been most successful in demonizing Wall Street–just like the Communists of the 50's & 60's did–but it was Congressional mandates and over-regulation…NOT "deregulation" (which never occurred)…that's responsible. We haven't had a conservative administration since Reagan nor a conservative Congress since 1998. If you and your pals are so anxious for socialism, there are plenty of socialist countries around–and every one of them is an economic basket case with more poverty per capita than the U.S. has even imagined, let alone experienced. Get used to those hamsters in a wheel, by the way. If your crowd has its way, that's how you'll be generating electricity in just a few years.
I am only one of a great number of American working people who want to get rid of the politicians who do what the bank lobbyists pay them to…
Democrats Chris Dodd and Kent Conrad had those sweetheart Countrywide mortgages, Dodd took in about $70 thousand from Bank of America, etc, here's a source, check out the references for more juicy details. There's good old Barney Frank's support for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who gave him contributions (source), who he defended vigorously as not having financial problems, then after they blew up he was pushing for their bailout. Etc.
…who want to see a bigger slice of the pie go to those who do the work and less to those who profit from their labor…
Then you reduce government spending and taxation, reform the Ponzi scheme known as Social Security that has no guarantees any worker will ever see any of the enormous sums they pour into it, reduce taxes and provide other incentives for companies to build and expand in the US providing enduring employment that tightens up the job market and increases the going wages, and many other things that make for robust companies who can afford to pay their employees more. Government profits heavily from other people's labor, so reduce their take. Are you one of those who think business is some zero-sum game, just shift some from here over to the workers and everything will be fine? "Here" includes management, which is an international competitive labor market for those viewed as most competent, and it seems hypocritical to think the guy on the street deserves anything they can get but the guy in the office does not. "Here" also includes shareholders, investors, who expect a decent return on their money. How would you like to find out your bank decided to pay you only half the interest you were expecting so they could give their employees a raise? Would you support those workers and stay at that bank, or go down the street where you can get more? It's a big world with plenty of places to invest, punish investors in America to reward workers and you'll simply see less investors.
…who want to end once and for all living under blackmail conditions of gas prices at 5 bucks a gallon whenever the fat cats feel like charging that much…
That's tied to supply and is sensitive to concerns over foreign suppliers, the market spikes whenever there's unrest in the volatile areas supplying the world. Support more drilling here at home for an increased supply with less worries. From here, the "Weekly (Monday) Retail Premium Gasoline Prices, Selected Countries (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)" section, you can compare US gas prices to a few European ones. Note that without taxes gas is currently cheaper in the UK, where they have a ready supply of crude, otherwise the prices are about the same. With taxes, people in those European countries with high social spending are paying around two to three times the US rate. Note the Democratic rumblings about how we need to increase gas prices to reduce consumption, we can support higher taxes to pay for spending, mentions of how the Europeans are doing just fine while paying more… The fat cats you seek are in DC, not on Wall Street.
…and want to see the common folk survive even if they have a kid with cancer or get hit with a serious medical condition…
Do as above for a tighter job market that leads to better benefits. Also check into how many companies are actually self-insured for health care, you'd be surprised, Blue Cross and Blue Shield actually shuffle the paperwork for many. Stronger companies will yield better benefits. There is a lot of community-based fundraising for those in need, which is normally supported by those who work for strong companies which can pay them good wages. Don't expect government to finally get health care right. For all the vast sums we pour into Medicaid, if the conditions you describe force one to seek it, locally I can tell you the qualifications quite simply: no more than one house, one car, and two steps above buying dog food to survive. If you care to know, you may be shocked how many medical practitioners won't even take Medicaid patients, you need a rather profitable practice to soak up the losses from the pitiful reimbursement rates, and don't even ask about dental. If that's the best government has been able to do, why would any sane reasonable person expect them to suddenly do much better?
oh what? The republicans on this comment section do not like Nancy Pelosi? I’m shocked.
As a dem, and liberal troll, I have to say: You guys all already blew your vote on Pelosi- you’re motives are highly questionable since there is a long established history for your hatred of this woman.
Further, (again, as a dem troll): Democrats, face it: Pelosi has “jumped the shark” big time. By calling the CIA into question, as a Dem, she’s pushed one of the Democrats special “Nuclear Buttons”. Now dems: This means its time to line up: You are either with Pelosi or you are against her.
Republican’s watch out: what I’m about to say is very Machiavellian, which may be morally flawed I realize, but – right/wrong, IF Pelosi goes down as the sacrificial democrat (like Hilary did for another famous Bush Era Democrat Capitulancy(tm))…Then you can bet your as$es this will be the next hostage to be shot in the Great American Torture-VS-Justice Philosophical Quest will be your former VP!
That’s right, Liz Cheney’s been sent to get out in front to attack Pelosi and character-assassinate Powell’s army buddy. Why? Well we shouldn’t be surprised to notice that Dick Cheney LIVES by the ethos that a strong offense is the best defense – I believe that’s what people of his kind stand for, pretty much. That’s why they are so, “offensive”, so to speak!
Why is Dick Cheney still on the offensive, months after relinquishing control of the reigns of Vice Presidential power? Because of the CIA- Oops, I meant to say: Because of CYA. Do you know what THAT stands for???
Both partys are out to lunch and do not know what they are doing! So now it is up to the freedon loving Americans to clean up this mess! Now you can be on one or the others side or you can choose the right side, the side of our great Military, that my husband is a part of and that includes the CIA that will do every thing in their power to keep my children , grandchildren and all American familys safe! This is the issue today and with an enemy with in our Nation and you can decide who i am talking about, there is no time for games! I know where i stand with millions and that is on the side of ' " WE THE PEOPLE" Thats where it was from the start and that is where we will end it! It is your choice on your stand and how you will respond when that time comes and beleive me it is on its way! Pelosi is just one small part in the circus in Washington they all need to GO !!!!!
Your comments are a perfect example of why conservatism is a dying ideology.
You voice concern about no guarantees in the Social Security “ponzi” scheme, but your plan to reduce taxes for big corporations? Yes, there is a guarantee – …that executives will continue to reward themselves with fat bonuses for poor performances while disregarding the good of the company. How stupid do you think the public is?
What I want is a huge federal government that can shut down white collar crime dead in its tracks. That old, tired argument that the government can’t operate efficiently, for example health care, is negative blubber. We are the government! It can work because it is us. And we have leaders who are brave enough to stick out their necks, and put the good of the commons ahead of protecting their careers. The founders would be proud; courage has replaced dishonor.
Right wingers use the word “socialism” when they fear that their true motives are uncovered and need a diversion. Socialist!! Socialist!! Yeah, and Nancy Pelosi is the center of the torture scandal. We need more unemployed actors to write stories titled: “Waterboard Pelosi.”
Are you really a person or merely an experimental A.I. program that responds with the opposite of fact and reason?
Yes, there is a guarantee – …that executives will continue to reward themselves with fat bonuses for poor performances while disregarding the good of the company. How stupid do you think the public is?
How stupid do you think investors are? The lousy executives will get kicked out, investors want a good return. If they don't complain about fat bonuses for lousy returns, at least by voting with their feet and taking their money elsewhere, they deserve what they get. Investors have an obligation to be vigilant with their own money. You can't even leave it untouched in the bank anymore without the government claiming it as an "inactive account."
What I want is a huge federal government that can shut down white collar crime dead in its tracks.
Fine, feel free to start sending complete and accurate records of all your financial dealings to the appropriate federal registry, that's the only way government can come close to stopping it. That'll still leave the politicians open for their "wink and nod" gentlemanly corruption of barely-legal campaign and business dealings in exchange for influence we see plenty of. Don't forget to keep track of all tips paid and to whom, get Social Security numbers, to make sure employers aren't under-reporting income and thus denying earned future benefits, which is white collar crime, which you want stopped.
We are the government! It can work because it is us.
Ha Ha Ha Ha!! This sentiment is being echoed by the political class of cronies and cronies-in-training who comprise government and are highly appreciative of gullible voters such as yourself. You might be elected as dog catcher without party support, anything else as an "independent reformer" is virtually impossible.
And we have leaders who are brave enough to stick out their necks…
As far as the polls say they should go!
…and put the good of the commons ahead of protecting their careers.
Oh come on man, you're killing me here! Can't… stop… laughing!!
The founders would be proud; courage has replaced dishonor.
And stupidity has replaced intelligence if you think your "definitions" of those words would even be recognized by them! They put everything on the line for this country, and President Barry barely went a week before breaking campaign promises. He started dampening down the enthusiasm that got him elected during his victory speech, sold his voters on how he'd sweep into Washington and change it all overnight, and used that speech to set up his 2012 campaign as letting him finish what he started!
Right wingers use the word “socialism” when they fear that their true motives are uncovered and need a diversion. Socialist!! Socialist!!
Yeah yeah, right-wingers say "Rain!" and it's a diversion. That explains why you're getting soaking wet. Be sure to stay outside when they yell "Tornado!" Such an obvious diversion, feel free to disregard.
Right you are Kadaka! These socialists who think most crime is of the "white collar" sort tend to forget that MOST "white collar" crime is committed by working stiffs and NOT corporate CEO's, so what he's advocating is cracking down harder on "those who actually do the work."
The guy's BDS is almost palpable, isn't it? President Bush did several things of which I disapprove, but he was NEVER "dishonorable." What's "dishonorable" is a young man, schooled by Saul Alinsky and without even the experience of running a Dairy Queen, deciding after 172 days of "experience" as a U.S. Senator that HE knows better what's good for the country (and the world, for that matter) than anyone else and running for the Presidency. Talk about hubris! The man is dishonest and, worse yet, highly dangerous.
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