Flashpoint! A Woman’s Right To Choose
by Gary GrahamI’m not a person filled with hate. I don’t brew strong stomach acids when I hear/see things I think horrendously idiotic or unjust in the news or on the street. Initially, my reaction is to laugh. The irony is simply too much, and I crack up. Generally, it’s either laugh…or cry. And who wants to spend the day in tears? For I would, were I to give in to that option of dealing with the utter, naked insanity in our midst on a daily basis. I’m not just talking about something that ‘isn’t quite right’ or… ‘is just a tad out of whack’…I’m talking about the United States of America in this year of 2009 being completely off its moorings and slipping into the abyss.
“What the hell is Graham on about now?? What momentous, screeching rant is he conjuring up now; can somebody put him on a stupid TV show so he’d shut up already??” – Your name here.
No. I’m going to say it. I’m going to say what millions know in the front of their brains, and many, many more millions know in the depths of their hearts…but won’t allow themselves to think it, much less feel it. And believe me, I know I’ll be hated for saying it, I’ll be hated by people who don’t know me, have never worked with me, have never golfed with me, had a drink with me, shot the shit with me. They’ve never met me, don’t want to meet me…but they will hate me. I’m going to say it anyway: Abortion is murder.
Screams, bomb blasts, machine-gun rounds rip through plaster, I duck, but the copper-tip spears tear into meat, I run, the fire sears flesh, more screams, are they coming from me, or are they my head being torn from…my…
In the sixties and seventies I was a proud part of the peace generation. Long-haired hippies, rocker-lovers, lover-rockers, music festivals, drug explorations, peace not war, and there’s this cute piece right next to me, I’ve got a sleeping bag, would you like to get warm, and there’s a little hash left, you’re so pretty… Hey don’t laugh, we thought we were changing the world. Free love, baby, do it if it feels good, don’t look back, power to the peeps, and do your own thing. Wow, really? You mean you can be cool, have a lot of sex…and save the world all at the same time? Damn this is so f*cking bitchen! Ooh, my hair’s getting really good in the back… (Brown shoes… don’t make it! — F.Zappa)
But wait – I’m in college. I’m on a fast track to jump into the business world. I’m going to be some stick-up-the-butt loser in some establishment straight-ass job, when I really just want to party. Oops, I mean… I want to help save the world! Through drugs, sex and rock and roll. All right, we don’t really have a solid business plan made up yet…but we’re working on it. Of course I’m a Democrat! Duh!
End of flashback.
I have been on all sides of this issue for most of my life, and I can simply not escape the logic. That fetus a pregnant woman is carrying inside of her, regardless of the gestation stage, is a living, breathing human being. Yes, breathing – the amniotic sac forms 12 days after conception, and in the second trimester the baby is actually breathing the amniotic fluid. It’s not an ‘unviable tissue mass.’ Not a wart, a mole, a skin outcropping, a boil, or a bundle of uncoordinated cells. It’s not just a ‘fetus’.
It’s a baby. Not fully developed, true. Like an infant is not a fully developed and mature adult. But it’s a baby.
And the first time I got a girl pregnant, I would have wrestled you to the ground for saying that. How f*cking dare you? You don’t know what you’re talking about! You piece of crap, you don’t know!
Well I do know. And I stand condemned. I’ve paid for three of them and was responsible for probably several more, I’m not really sure. But it breaks my heart. Because I’ve been convicted in my soul. It took years after the fact, but I was shown the Truth. And not to get mumbo-jumbo, oogly-boogly on you, but it was a spiritual awakening that did it. It happened unexpectedly, and it threw me to my knees in sudden tearful epiphany of what it meant for a man to be with a woman, what sex was really designed for by our Creator and… what abortion is.
And up until that point, I was completely ‘Pro-Choice’. I had bought the whole ‘women’s rights’ thing, completely agreed with ‘the constitutional right of a woman’s freedom to choose’…and I was just fine with that. Sure took the pressure off of me, a guy, interested in sex who had been raised in the era of, “Hey, you get a girl pregnant, you marry her!” But times had changed. Now abortions could be had legally if a doctor determined the life of the mother was in danger. Girls in college told me what a joke that was. They’d go in to see a doctor, tell him they’re pregnant, and the conversation went like this:
Doctor: “You’re feeling suicidal?” (hint hint, wink nudge.)
Girl: “Oh. Yeah… suicidal. I’m feeling suicidal.”
Doctor: “All right, then.”
Abortion as a method of birth control became the norm. I knew a few girls who had had as many as five of them by the time they were twenty-five. And they seemed fine on it…mostly because everyone around them was telling them that they should feel fine about it.
So this abortion thing was pretty damn convenient for a guy. And for a time, I was quite the Lothario. I kept a roster of seven girlfriends. Why seven? I don’t know…maybe Lucky Number 7 (yeah maybe)…or seven days in a week (more likely). But I would meet someone new, and I would simply go through my list…and kick one girl off. I would simply stop calling her. And to my great shame…this was my chosen method to ‘decathect.’ In retrospect, I wish I’d had the balls of utter honesty in my early relationships; but I was a drug-addled, post college idiot and that was the best I could muster. This was my m.o. and I knew I wasn’t alone…not by a long shot. We were proud products of the Love Generation.
Jump forward thirty years and Nancy Pelosi tells us yesterday that ‘family planning’ is now a fiscal responsibility to ‘reduce costs.’ Her defenders will say that NO, she’s talking about condoms and sex education. But anyone with a mind who’s been around for a while knows that ‘family planning’ is code for abortion. She is asking for 200 million dollars for Family Planning Services to ‘expand the economy.’ These are taxpayer dollars, dontcha know. Your money. She says states are in terrible fiscal crisis and it’s ‘part of what we do for childrens’ health and education’…” I’m trying to figure out how ripping an unborn child from it’s womb is aiding in it’s health or education, but maybe I’m missing something here.
I’ve heard it argued that a fetus is not a baby because it could not survive outside the womb on its own. But what about three-day old baby? Or even a two week old baby? If you set it down on the floor and leave it alone…will it survive on its own? Or will it die? So what’s the cut-off for determining whether it’s a baby or not?
It really comes down to this: when does life begin? When is it a baby? At the point of conception? First trimester? Third? At the point of actual delivery? When the umbilical cord is cut? Two weeks afterward? When?
I’m telling you, once you draw that line and say this is the moment it’s a human being…you’ve lost the argument. Because it’s arbitrary. On this date it’s a baby, but yesterday it was just a bunch of cells…this blob of a nothing and you can do anything you want with it, it’s okay. Babies have been born premature in the second trimester and lived. Happens all the time. So please, somebody tell me how is taking a baby and delivering all but the head, then plunging a tube into its skull and sucking the brains out…how is that not murder? This is what happens in partial-birth abortions, and unfortunately, this happens all the time, too.
And we as a nation…as a people…are all right with this?
I understand the hate that is leveled at someone like me who reminds people of this. To contemplate the reality is daunting. The act is horrendous and made more tragic when you consider the numbers of babies that are being disposed of every day.
Our willingness to tolerate such a holocaust says volumes of how our entire culture has been coarsened. How life itself has been cheapened. We are told to have sex any time we feel the urge. Condoms are handed out in grade schools. Promiscuity is not only condoned, it’s tacitly encouraged. Illegitimacy has enslaved an entire underclass of our citizens, relegating them to government assistance for a lifetime, bankrupting cities, and holding an entire subculture down in dependent despair. But if you should get pregnant and it’s just not a ‘convenient’ time for you, don’t worry, there are Family Planning Services, funded, thanks to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, by your tax dollars. That inconvenient fetus can be surgically ripped from its uterine moorings, ground up and tossed into the trash like so much garbage. Problem solved, and the mother can resume her egocentric lifestyle. But the scars on that woman’s soul will never quite heal. I’m a man, but I’ve got them on mine.
I’ve heard from liberals the following quote: “We want abortion to be legal…but rare.” And I ask, Why rare? What’s wrong with abortion, that you think it should be a rare occurrence? I’ve had moles removed from my skin. Doctors don’t tell us that a mole removal should be rare. So what’s with this ‘rare’ business? Or is it a tacit agreement that abortion…is plain wrong?
And in the double-standard department… Will somebody tell me how it is that Scott Peterson gets convicted of a double homicide – his wife, and his unborn son – and yet it’s not murder if a doctor does basically the same thing in a clinic? Explain it to me; why is it murder in the one case, and totally acceptable in the other? You tell me, “HEY! It’s my body, I’ve got the right to do whatever I want with my body!!” Well, no you don’t. You don’t have the legal right to prostitute yourself (Nevada excepted). You don’t have a right to pick up an axe and lop off your boyfriend’s head if he gives you lip. You don’t have the right to murder. And your anger will bring you back to the its-not-a-baby, it’s-my-body mobius.
Illogic without end.
Try this exercise: Every time you hear someone use the phrase “…a woman’s right to choose…” mentally complete the phrase with the following words – “…to kill her baby.” That’s what the argument’s about. A woman’s right to kill her baby.
In the extreme cases of incest…rape…severe birth defects. Hey, I don’t know. I don’t have all the answers. That’s a tough one. But there has got to be a better way than abortion. Adoption comes to mind. With all the thousands of couples out there unable to make a baby…doesn’t it seem the right thing to do…to give birth and give the unwanted baby up for adoption into a loving family?
Just a thought.
I saw my daughter’s ultrasound when she was at four weeks. All I saw was this little pulsating cylinder about the size of my little fingernail. Each little vibration was a heartbeat. Yes, a heart barely formed; cells still differentiating into form and function…but her little heart was just wailing away. I burst into tears. And I realized… I was beholding an utter miracle. The miracle of life. And I also realized that from the very first merger of cell into cell, and the first divisions…that the whole miracle of life was from that point on struggling against all odds to become a fully-realised human being.
I don’t mean to preach. I’m just telling you what I have come to know, and that I know that I know. The unborn fetus is a baby in development…and to end that life prematurely is to murder that life.
I truly wish that I had had this conviction way back when…when I was only concerned about my selfish convenience of the day. But I didn’t want to know, I didn’t want to think about it. It was inconvenient to think about it.
How ironic that the ‘Love’ Generation should spawn such a culturally accepted abomination as abortion.
May God have mercy on us all.





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That was beautiful! Thank you! I hope people that are pro-abortion have a change of heart after reading your post.
Thank you for your courage to take an unpopular stand in your profession. I suspect most men haven’t really thought this subject through as much as you have, but women try to justify abortion too. The defining moment for me was the day I found out a relative had mis-carried and she was devastated by the loss. I couldn’t reconcile the difference between a baby in the womb that was mourned following a miscarriage and a baby that was aborted because it wasn’t wanted. The only difference is that one was wanted and one wasn’t? Someone wants every baby. Again, thank you for the article. (PS – I’m a big Alien Nation fan!)
Gary well put!
It is hard to see people that will go out of their way to save a murder from death row and yet have no problem in seeing a baby aborted. It is a sad case for our society when those who have no voice/no choice and who need the most protection, are just excused away (a piece of tissue, etc.)
Thank you. And by the way, if you ever want to think a little more about the answers for what to do with children who have disabilities or “defects” I recommend the book and the CD “Sometimes Miracles Hide.” As a parent of a special needs child I know what I’m talking about. God bless you and your family
What you are saying is what the Pro-Life movement has been saying for many years. Plain and simple, abortion is murder. Murder is defined in law as the deliberate killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Pretty simple, and illegal in the whole world. Cleverly though, in most places, a pre-born child is not gifted with humanity or “personhood.”Now you see, on that ultrasound, the miracle that we are, and that you have had a part in creating. What you saw aws not a kitten or a puppy or a zebra, but your little girls, who will one day throw her arms around you and say, “I love you, Daddy.”And who will one day present you with a grand child who looks a lot like you. I’m a guy with ten living children and every one is a blessing and every one was a miracle. Thanks again for seeing.
Right on, RIGHT ON!!!! Thank you for having the guts to say this.
God Bless you for saying what more people, myself included, should be saying.
Gary:
Your reasoning is not just a knee jerk response to an odd evolution of cultural morality … it is like kicking the habit of smoking and realizing that nicotine distorts the plateau where a real life is lived. You know, not mostly up on this level, here … but always on this level here.
The same can be said in the mission shift on the respect for life and the living we have as definitions we have in our culture and society.
Thank you for your post – it is not a rant but a story about shifts in reasoning.
God will have mercy for those who can change their ways … for the affirmation of human life.
Regards,
Edmund Jenks
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The plain, unsophisticated truth.
A woman’s right to choose… to murder her baby.
The reproductive right… not to reproduce, even if you already are.
This is what I was thinking about when I watched that celebrity pledge video. They are pledging about changing their SUVs in for Priuses and creating a better world and meanwhile they are furthering and encouraging a decadent, inhuman practice that takes 3,000 innocent lives every day.
Hey Look Everyone,
The “Truth”…nice to see you “Truth”, you know “Truth” sometimes you make life uncomfortable for us all once in awhile, but last time I checked, I do not believe I could define my existence on this planet without embracing or pursuing you. In fact, until the plague of post-modernism, cultural and moral relativism and political correctness, everything we have accomplished as a species required our deliberate pursuit of you. Sorry for kicking you to the curb. Once again everyone should read, “The Closing of the American Mind” by Alan Bloom.
Nice to see Nancy Pelosi using language that defines Human Children primarily in terms of their Economic Value and worthiness to the state.
Ohhh And Ashley Judd, more therapy honey. More therapy…life must have been very tough in your family. Maybe you should do more adds for “Tampax” and “Midol”.
I have wondered for a long time now about philandering liberal politicians like Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton and their support of abortion rights. It’s only a guess, but I think their support probably has as much (if not more) to do with not getting “caught” in one of their “indiscretions” as it does women’s rights.
In many ways abortion seems to be the ultimate form of sexism: a man get sleep around, and if the girl gets pregnant, pay for her abortion and be done with it. No need to ever take on responsibility for anyone other than yourself.
Well said and well done. I appreciate your honesty and look forward to more of your posts. God have mercy on us all indeed.
WOW!!! I’m speechless…this was beautiful. Thank you so much for your honesty!
Such a a great article- I can relate to a lot of it-I too was pro coice in colledge( 1974-ucla)-did you know that it has now been proven that at conception a baby as all the dna it ever will- it has all the attributes of a person and very soon will have fingers too- thanks for te neat article blessings bn
Gary: I’m sure a lot of venom is headed your way, but remember, if your moving article causes just one woman to rethink her “choice” it’s worth it. Thank you so much for this piece.
I think that future generations might just look at ours in exactly the same light as we view slaveholders today. They’ll ask “How on earth did people who believed themselves to be civilized permit such a barbaric practice?” Which is why I don’t get too cocky when I read history.
Thanks for saying this. Nancy Pelosi supports Family Planning (As you said includes late term AB) and the Bush administration is accused of waterboarding or the acceptance of this cruel practice.
If anyone is at all honest about this, they will admit stupidity of the argument that Bush is cruel and Nancy being fair. But of course their shame will make them say that this is apples and oranges.
Wonderful, wonderful article. I wish I had the money to post it on every website, onevery billboard,in every language. I do have one small disagreement. Everyone who has passed a tenth grade biology class knows that moments after an egg is fertilized by a sperm, that zygote splits for the first time into two cells. Those first two cells now have their own unique DNA code seperate and aprt from both parents. This is the first moment of a brand new life.
Gary, I’ve been waffling on this issue for many years, knowing that at some point abortion is murder, but not having a feeling for when that time was. Just plain wrong? I think you are right.
Thanks
Thank you for this column! That’s all I can say, really, because you have expressed the Right to Life argument very well.
From a speech given in February 1999 by Dallin H. Oaks at Brigham Young University (sorry about the length):
“Every woman has, within the limits of nature, the right to choose what will or will not happen to her body. Every woman has, at the same time, the responsibility for the way she uses her body. If by her choice she behaves in such a way that a human fetus is conceived, she has not only the right to but also the responsibility for that fetus. If it is an unwanted pregnancy, she is not justified in ending it with the claim that it interferes with her right to choose. She herself chose what would happen to her body by risking pregnancy. She had her choice. If she has no better reason, her conscience should tell her that abortion would be a highly irresponsible choice.
“What constitutes a good reason? Since a human fetus has intrinsic and infinite human value, the only good reason for an abortion would be the violation or deprivation of or the threat to the woman’s right to choose what will or will not happen to her body. Social, educational, financial, and personal considerations alone do not outweigh the value of the life that is in the fetus. These considerations by themselves may properly lead to the decision to place the baby for adoption after its birth, but not to end its existence in utero.
“The woman’s right to choose what will or will not happen to her body is obviously violated by rape or incest. When conception results in such a case, the woman has the moral as well as the legal right to an abortion because the condition of pregnancy is the result of someone else’s irresponsibility, not hers. She does not have to take responsibility for it. To force her by law to carry the fetus to term would be a further violation of her right. She also has the right to refuse an abortion. This would give her the right to the fetus and also the responsibility for it. She could later relinquish this right and this responsibility through the process of placing the baby for adoption after it is born. Whichever way is a responsible choice.”
He also states that, “But even these exceptions do not justify abortion automatically. Because abortion is a most serious matter, we are counseled that it should be considered only after the persons responsible have consulted with their bishops and received divine confirmation through prayer.”
It’s maddening to think that no matter how pro-life I am, my tax dollars are helping fund this atrocity in the US and abroad.
I’m just waiting for “TITOV” to tell us how archaic we are for not supporting a woman’s right to choose. Any minute now…..
Beautifully and tragically put…But all true.
Thank you Gary,
I’ve often felt that framing the discussion as a woman’s “choice” to do what she wants with her body is a joke. The fact remains even with the choice argument, it’s only a choice if the fetus is not a life. I’ve always thought that since the determination of when life begins is arbitrary that we as a nation should err on the side of caution.
Looking back in 50 years and realizing we forced woman, the vast majority of which made there “choice” to have sex, to give birth unnecessarily…
Or looking back in 50 years and realizing we’ve allowed millions of murders to occur.
That’s the real choice, and I for one am sick of slimy politicians and “women’s rights” groups trying to tell us that this isn’t the issue, but rather that it’s an issue of civil rights.
EXACTLY! Abortion is the murder of the most innocent, voiceless, choiceless – baby. Where did we all have our start in life? As a human fetus – a baby. This is the only genocide that so many fight to keep ongoing. It needs to be stopped – the voiceless are counting on us.
Amen…it all seems so clear, but so many remain in a fog about the atrocities committed every day. Except in the case of rape or incest a woman DOES have the right to choose…her method of contraception, whether to have unprotected sex.
That’s pretty heart-wrenching. I paid for one myself, and every time I look into my daughter’s eyes, I hate myself for it. I don’t believe first trimester abortions should be made illegal (especially in cases of rape, incest, or for the very young), but the alternate argument (that it’s just a bunch of cells, so anything you do is fine) is just sad.
I had an argument with a staunch abortion advocate from Sweden who claimed that until it’s little toe is out of the mother’s womb at 9 months, she can kill it if she wants because it’s nothing more than cancer cells. Then when a mutual friend had a very tragic miscarriage, I noticed she didn’t comfort our friend with those words of wisdom. Somehow it’s sad if it happens by accident, but a beautiful choice if it’s done on purpose. A difficult subject, made all the more difficult by the ridiculous name-calling and pointless platitudes thrown out by the zealots on all sides.
No woman and no human alive on this planet, has the right to choose to murder the unborn. To have it sanction by a godless government that was originally founded on the ideals of Judeo-Christian principles that all rights come from a creator. Life being the first one mention, to have taxpayers pay for this mass slaughter of the innocent to the numbers of 50 million, is against the constitution and everything decent.
Liberals scream about the sin of slavery and call the Founding Fathers slave owners as if they were evil men. I would hate to dig up Jefferson and dust him off and allow him to see what we have done to their experiment and tell him about a ‘women’s right’ to choose. I wonder what he would say about our generation. The blood of 50 million or so murdered babies are on the Democratic party and all those involved. THis is the black mark on America not slavery and jim crow… mass murder of the unborn who have no voice to asked for justice.
Gary,
Thank you for this article. Thank you for the courage to reveal your life. Thank you for saying what abortion truly is to the fetus, the mother and the father.
May God forgive our nation for being so callous, to devalue life.
We as Americans show our hypocrisy every day that we allow abortions but then go ballistic when a soldier is killed defending our nation.
May God have mercy on our souls and our nation.
Gary,
Thank you for your courageous stand. Ours is not a popular position. 40+ million lives will not grace our world (US alone)……. 40+ million……how many Einsteins, Lincolns or Ghandis were lost to us?
More of us need to have the courage to say these words out loud, as you have here today, unabashedly, unashamedly…..yes, it’s uncomfortable, yes, it is the minority position (at least here in southern CA), yes, people look at you as if you are a rube for daring to speak the ugly truths…..
English philosopher Edmund Burke said, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’ It is no longer acceptable to do nothing…..
I am proud of you sir. Thanks for your excellent thoughts, I could not agree more!
(http://www.feministsforlife.org is an organization of feminists who believe that women can do better than abortion. It is rooted in a philosophy espoused by Susan B. Anthony)
BTW: I love all your posts: keep up the great work. Love BH!
Amen Mr. Graham. The more of us that call this crime for what it is, murder, the better chance we have to fighting it proliferation.
Something else I’ve always asked ‘pro-choicers’ is what about the baby’s choice? The baby has no choice, its forced to abide by its mother’s decision. But thats only a problem when you admit that its actually a baby.
Keep fighting the culture of death.
I also had an awakening. First my own daughter, who was a miracle because I was told that I would never have children, and who my grandmother prayed over me to conceive, had an abortion 2 years ago. Neither one of us can get over it. Can’t talk about it. Can’t stop thinking what he/she would look like at 2 years old. Then when Sarah Palin came on the scene and people were so vicious about Trig. As though she was evil for having him. I realized how far down the slippery slope we had come. Pro-choice, just words. When she kept saying to Charlie Gibson, “for me, I choose life everytime”, I felt a healing feeling. This group of so called leaders starting right at the top are obsessed with killing babies. Now we can kill them in other countries with our tax dollars. God help us is right.
I believe that, ultimately, the stain and horror of abortion on our Nation will be harder and take longer to overcome that that of slavery. And when you realize that we are still dealing with slavery and it’s ramifications you know that it’s going to be a long, hard haul.
Truly, may God have mercy upon our souls.
Wow Gary. That was a great blog. Thanks for your honesty.
Question number one…how do we create that same epiphany in every living human being and stop this insanity?
Question number two…how can you say that deciding when life begins is arbitrary and then when it comes to a child unfortunately formed by a rape or incest or one not quite “perfect” that “Hey, I don’t know.” The whole rape and incest thing is just higher up on the “slippery slope.” It’s either a baby or it isn’t. And you can either kill it…or you can’t. You don’t get to “choose.”
P.S. I don’t hate you for saying that “Abortion is murder”…I love you!
Existentialism is at the core of the Leftists being. Many Germans have said America is just like Weimer Germany now. Have you ever come away from an encounter with a dyed in the wool activist Lib without the impression you were dealing with someone who wouldn’t hesitate to put you in a Concentration Camp if they thought it was feasible, for the simple act of not seeing things their way? It’s now common feeling.
wow….wow.
That moved me. Thank you!
AWESOME ARTICLE BROTHER!
“Right to Choose.”
I’ve always wondered why women who use this meme so passionately seem incapable of exercising their “Right to Choose” BEFORE they elect to chance conception.
I so appreciate this article. You can’t even know. I never had an abortion (thank God!) but like a lot of people I didn’t really take the issue seriously until I had my own kids. Hearing the heartbeat at 8 weeks really drives the point home that it really is a child and to abort really is murder.
The thing that infuriated me most about the presidential campaign was the way everyone went after Sarah Palin for being pro-life as if it were a bad thing. The left threw around buzz-words like “woman’s privacy rights” (WTF?) and tried to paint the protection of a child’s right to life as a bad thing. The effect of all that was to really out the so-called feminist movement for what it really is– the pro-abortion movement. They made it really clear that “feminism” isn’t about the promotion of women but rather the abortion agenda. As a woman I felt really betrayed by the women who so viciously attacked Sarah Palin. Clearly they’re just a bunch of frauds.
And in a society in which birth control is so easy to acquire and so effective, why the hell is it so necessary to murder babies? Are we so lazy we can’t bother to take a birth-control pill? I never understood that.
A number of commentators have noted that if you want it, it’s a baby and if you don’t, it’s just a fetus. Well, that was the thing that got me wondering. I get to decide if someone else is a human being or not, based on my feelings? Who made me God?
I work in a hospital with a renowned NICU (neo-natal intensive care unit). Every single day, the physicians and staff battle to save tiny premature babies.
And right down the street, babies exactly the same size are being put to death every day.
It’s insane and indefensible.
“The act is horrendous and made more tragic when you consider the numbers of babies that are being disposed of every day.”
I love that you’re bringing back the outrage to this, Gary. Well said.
Thank you for putting these thoughts on paper. I firmly believe the devaluation of human life is causing terrible harm to our society. I prosecute child abuse cases, and the correlation between readily available abortion on demand, exponential increases in immature parents and fatherless children and horrible cases of child abuse and child murder is simply devastating. You can also see the spread of the mindset that it’s ok to do away with someone who is “inconvenient”–assisted suicide anyone? That mindset should frighten every thinking person–we all have to admit we’re incovenient to someone, at least occasionally, and if that’s an excuse to kill, none of us is safe.
The one “conservative” position I have held my entire life is that abortion is murder. I don’t say that to prove some sort of moral superiority over the likes of Gary, or the other commentators, but to illustrate that the “freedom of choice” lie will eventually yield in intelligent people to the reality of what abortion is. I did do the leftist thing in college and half-way through law school, but eventually came to 99.9% RR conservative. My continued adherence to pro-life eventually brought me around from the silliness of liberalism. That is why I view Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid, et. al., as true morons.
Fair enuf, Gary, and well said (tho’ of course I am not in total agreement). But something should be said about this:
Screams, bomb blasts, machine-gun rounds rip through plaster, I duck, but the copper-tip spears tear into meat, I run, the fire sears flesh, more screams, are they coming from me, or are they my head being torn from…my…
Let’s be clear. Nobody ever got shot for being pro-life. But when it comes to doctors who perform them? I’m afraid that’s not the case. And in truth — and this is about truth, right? — that’s murder too.
Gary,
First off as a woman who has had an abortion, I have to respectfully disagree with your stance. It seems to me there are more stories than the one you have chosen to tell. I was married at the time and a mother twice over, and my husband was the father as I was never unfaithful, but he was a non-entity as a father and a husband; bad choice I made at 19 when I married him. I do not regret the abortion which I did to myself since I would never have gotten his permission as was needed 45 years ago. But, I would not have been able to raise three children plus support one husband by myself. So regardless of the rights or wrongs, I did what I had to do. Would I do it again? I don’t know; I think it would depend on how supported I felt by my current husband. But it’s not an issue now because I’m past the age of having more children.
Excellent piece! You brought me to tears. It’s a horrible and wonderful thing when the scales fall from our eyes, isn’t it? I’m thankful to have a forgiving God. All we have to do is ask.
And JD: I don’t want to pay for others to “choose” to murder their babies. And doesn’t the baby get a choice…don’t even the smallest of us have the right to life, liberty, and the pusuit of happiness? They do not have a voice, that is why we must speak for them. Open your eyes!
Excellent article. Abortion is murder. I pray for anyone that did this and regrets it. Forgive yourself. Maybe think about adopting an unwanted child. Heal your soul. Find some peace. It’s the people that don’t care about what they have done that I have a problem with.
Pelosi’s comments are despicable. Yes, we KNOW what “family planning” is. Let’s kill our children before they are born to reduce the carbon footprint.
What the hell ever happened to America being a country full of all kinds of people who could solve any problem no matter how difficult? Is this what we have come to, slaughtering of innocents?
This kind of thinking permeates the minds of our youth, making them feel unwanted and guilty for being alive. What of the woman who had an abortion and then bragged of it publicly, claiming she was helping to save the planet? (”Save the planet?” That sounds familiar.) The self-esteem of our young folks, and adults, is being wrecked by the guilt trips put on all of us by such demagogues as Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi. Is is any surprise that the suicide rate is higher than ever?
People, there is a God and you ARE loved; you are HERE for a reason, to make the world a BETTER place, and you cannot do that by killing your unborn child or by hurting yourself or feeling guilty for being alive. You have a RIGHT to your carbon footprint. No one ASKED to be born. Take heart and ignore this kind of brainwashing.
Graham, I am with you 100 percent on this one. I’m am anti-abortion, though I wasn’t always. Certain circumstances beyond her control basically forced to have an abortion several years ago thanks to her mother (who apparently did not want her unwed daughter to have a child for “appearance’s sake” (this happened quite a few years ago) and her boyfriend at the time, whom she later married and divorced. That act haunts her to this day, and to be honest, I don’t think she has ever forgiven herself for having the abortion. Two years ago, her youngest daughter, my step-daughter, gave birth to a beautiful baby girl. I look at that child now and I cannot help but think that if my step-daughter wanted to have an abortion, the precious little girl that is my step-granddaughter was not exist.
Abortion is wrong. And it is murder.
Graham, you have said what I think many people have wanted to say for a long time.
Thank you, man.
Wow. You make some powerful arguments. I’ve never considered the thought that, like a fetus, a 3-day old baby can’t survive outside the womb either. What a strong point.
Like you, when I was young, I believed abortion was the great liberator, although I didn’t believe in it for myself. I remember the bra-burnings in the 70’s and thought, “Heck yes – why should women be oppressed?” However, I got married and had a son, that I raised until he was 19 and three weeks away from going into the military. I lost him in a motorcycle accident. After that, I felt that abortion was a slap in the face to God. I wanted my son back so bad that I couldn’t conceive of anyone wanting an abortion.
I have friends who’ve had abortions, and I wonder how they feel about it. We don’t talk about it. I think some of them are damaged, and have some of the same feelings you have.
However, I don’t see how we can stop it at this point, and I’m still not sure about imposing my ideas on others. I’ve resigned myself to accepting it up to three months. Yes, this logic is ridiculous, but I don’t think conservatives can get anything better at this point.
Thank you for a very heart-felt expose of your deep feelings and thoughts on this subject. I hadn’t thought much of the father’s point of view before reading your post. You make some very strong and valid points.
I love this website.
I’m sorry. I think you’re wrong. Not only should abortions stay legal, but since a woman can now kill a baby who is born alive–I think we should legislate post birth abortions. Any baby who comes from my womb should live in daily fear that I will “CHOOSE” to abort him or her at any time just because I feel like it.
One reason given for aborting a fetus is that it is an “inconvenience.”
I know this, because a very good friend of mine had an abortion WHILE SHE WAS MARRIED, but in college because it was an inconvenience. (It would have interfered with midterms, I guess.)
Let me tell you, there is no bigger inconvenience than a son or daughter who is an embarrassment to a mother.
(We’ll see who forgets to send a mother’s day card if THIS legislation gets passed. And my kids better phone home every Sunday afternoon, too.)
The only problem I see is that I will have to repair my own relationship with my mom.
If the right and left, both, use the term pro-life, should we not therefore use the term pro-death or pro-murder from now on. I do.
WOW, Gary. Thank you. WOW!
To parley Paul’s comment, I’d like to suggest we each print out Gary’s post and email/fax it to Nancy Pelosi’s offices. My cover note will simply state: “Congresswoman Pelosi, please read the attached by Mr. Graham, as he speaks for me as well!”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi’s email: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
(Not surprising, her website does not list her offices’ fax numbers, but they can be obtained by calling her office telphone numbers of 202-225-0100 / 202-225-4965 / 415-556-4862)
I don’t understand how so many Christian and Jewish politicians can be “pro-choice” other than the fact that they want the best of both worlds.
I also don’t understand how, if a woman’s body is truly hers, my wife couldn’t get a hysterectomy when she had an ovary removed. She wanted it done at the same time because she wasn’t going to have any more kids but her GYN wouldn’t do it.
THANK YOU.
I was gang raped at a college frat party when I was 19 and discovered myself pregnant as a result, before the advent of Roe. I kept the pregnancy secret and planned to give the baby up for adoption. But…when I felt the first quickening, everything changed. The circumstances of conception no longer mattered. This was MY baby, my flesh and blood, and I knew that even though it meant my family would cut me off, that I’d have to drop out of college, and that life as a single mother in the late ’60s would be more than hard, the bond I felt with my unborn child overcame all.
As it turned out, I was never able to have another child and the doctors, after much trying, told me that I should consider my son a miracle as my tubes were so tied in knots (a congenital defect), conception would take a miracle and so much sperm to allow for even one to get through no one man could produce that much at one time. I was told I should give up.
So, I did stop trying and now so many years later, I think back and thank God my unplanned and rather violent pregnancy due to 5 sperm donors happened before Roe because at that time in my life, I might have taken the easy way out. I don’t know if I would have, I’m just thankful I didn’t have to decide.
I married a good man when my son was 4 and he adopted him. We were married 32 years when I lost him in 2002. We added an adopted daughter to our family and I now have beautiful grandchildren. Both my children are rabid pro-life advocates because they understand that the unborn are babies and every child is a gift from God, even if the circumstances make that hard to see at the time.
Beautiful post. Very moving. I wish you would make it into a movie. I like the idea of the journey from your youth and the culture of the times to becoming an adult. I’m about the same age as you. I remember women’s choice being about being able to attend any school you wanted, to be in any profession, to be married or single, to make your own financial decisions… It breaks my heart that choice has come to mean murder.
It is a baby if you want it. It is a blob of cells if you don’t. In the old Hebrew version of the Bible, Thou shall not kill is actually, thou shall not murder. It is pretty clear. Abortion is Murder. Those who tolerate it should complete the sentence: I want the right to choose….to murder my unborn baby. It doesn’t sound like such a great choice when you complete it. I predict that in a thousand years, our decendants will view us no better than the Romans who threw Christians to the lions. They will not be able to understand how a bunch of selfish women, most of whom will never have to worry about getting pregnent. have bullied murder into our legal system. Thanks for having the courage to speak up.
That is like saying, “if you don’t like murder, don’t murder anyone”. You can call it whatever you want, but that doesn’t change what it is. Roe will be overturned. Not now, but it will. Remember, abolitionists were also called religious nuts for many years before they won. We will also prevail. Our legions are growing.
Thank you so much for not only telling the truth, but for being honest about your own experiences as well. I’m going to pass this on. Perhaps someone else will read it and face up to the truth as well.
Thank you, Mr. Graham, for your honesty and rock solid reasoning. The truth needs to be told, and avoiding PC buzzwords that make irresponsible people feel better about murdering babies is a good first step.
Why indeed don’t “pro-women have a right to kill their babies” advocates call it what it is? Could it be they feel a tinge of guilt, and that somehow, calling it something else like “family planning” or
“pro-choice” (what choice?) assauges that guilt or exonerates them?
Hey, as long as they don’t call it baby killing that’s cool. Words like that are divisive, are they not? That’s sort of the point of truth. It takes real courage to face truth, and see ourselves in Truth’s light.
I know guilt is so blase to some, but it can be effective in leading us to truth…to better ourselves and to love life.
Abortions (ie murdering babies) is far more divisive than truth, and not in a good way. The culture of death is a disease that kills the soul.
I pray that our nation, and indeed, all nations embrace Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Welcome Gary to the ‘perceived’ right wing club of small minded, bigoted and backward thinking zealots who want to block the path of progress for mankind. It is people like us, says the zeitgeist, who want to take women back to back to the Middle Ages. We have come a long way in 100 years. In 1900, contraception, divorce, promiscuity and abortion were considered moral failings and evil and had been considered as such since the fall of the Roman Empire. It is apparent that in these neo-pagan times we are reverting to vices and evils that were the signs of a decadent civilization. Thank you for your courage and your honesty and know that God loves you and forgives you. Your penance is to continue to promote the pro-Life message from this time forward.
So capital punishment is murder then too?
The conflation of birth control and abortion is the heart of “family planning” and “choice” is it not? If a person is against abortion then they get accused of wanting to force women to be brood mares or some such nonsense, they get accused of wanting to force something on women. How is that not conflating abortion with birth control? Every woman should have control over her own body, over whether she gets pregnant or not. THAT is birth control.
“Choice” is not a do-over, it is not an after the fact correction.
Family *planning* ought to suggest *planning*. Ahead. Making choices before hand.
It’s not the pro-life people who insist that “family planning” includes women making after the fact decisions without the other “family” members concerned, to abort a fetus.
Hey, Tom. When an unborn baby commits a heinous crime, I’ll support murdering it, too. Okay?
An email I have to share:
I’ve just returned from Washington, DC where I attended the March for Life and various other pro-life events and meetings. And I want to brief you on the latest information regarding the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA).
Our efforts to fight FOCA are beginning to bear fruit. Collectively, pro-lifers are making enough noise that we’ve given the President and pro-abortion leaders in Congress second thoughts about moving forward with FOCA in its entirety. Notice I said entirety. Their alternate plan is even more dangerous for the babies by being more difficult to counter.
First, we can’t let up on continuing to make noise about FOCA. If you haven’t yet done so, please sign the online petition against FOCA (CLICK MY NAME). Please also get as many people as you can to sign the petition. We can use these numbers to fight their new strategy coming down the legislative pipeline. Let me explain.
FOCA would literally kick to the curb any protective legislation for the babies which has passed on federal, state and local levels. As a result, it’s being seen as too radical for too many Americans. So the President and pro-abortion leaders of Congress are looking at plans to pass FOCA, piece-by-piece, attached to other bills. This could be devastating for the babies because it would make it easier for their abortion agenda to get lost in a larger bill. It would have the same effect of gradually warming the pot of water with the frog inside. FOCA in its entirety would be too hot to handle and the frog would immediately jump out. But if the legislation was passed little by little, the temperature in the pot would gradually warm up until it was too late for the frog to realize his dilemma and he would die.
Our job is to alert federal lawmakers, Americans and the media that FOCA is present every time that they propose legislation with parts of it embedded. This makes the entire bill unacceptable. Here are examples of what we can expect by pro-abortion leaders of Congress in their piecemeal efforts to pass FOCA:
* Use the momentum behind universal health care to include funding for abortion-on-demand.
* Bring back partial-birth abortion—once again killing babies during delivery.
* Take away any rights of parents to be involved before their minor daughter undergoes a surgical or chemical abortion.
* Deny women the right to be fully informed to the dangers of abortion before having one.
* Force health care providers and professionals to participate in the killing of innocent human life.
* Brutally kill babies who survive late-term abortion by reversing the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act.
* Put women’s health and lives at risk by blocking protective regulations of abortion mills—many that operate like dangerous back-alley abortion facilities.
These and other ghastly realities await unborn babies and their mothers if we’re not vigilant in our efforts to stop the incremental advancement of FOCA.
Here’s how they plan to do it. Pro-abortion leaders in Congress will attach their deadly piecemeal legislation as riders to appropriation bills. These will be drafted in April. However, there are things we must do in the meantime.
We must continue making noise by letting our pro-life voices be heard. One of the easiest ways to do this is sign the online petition against FOCA (CLICK MY NAME). This will help us keep the pressure on.
Alert everyone you can about this new and deadly agenda by the most pro-abortion President and Congress in history. Share this email with others! Bring everyone up to speed by using your email address books, circles of friends, coworkers and church members. Link to our FOCA petition using Facebook or other Internet websites. Send the link (www.lifeissues.org/FOCA) by blogging, text messages and Twitter—use whatever technology and avenue available to you. Now is the time to alert the troops!
All true, bravo!
Unfortunately, the political caravan has moved on.
The Roe v. Wade abomination may be overturned in our lifetimes (I hope).
In the meantime, we must continue to carefully argue for a uniform, albeit arbitrary, and achievable political/legal deadline sometime during the first trimester, in order to protect innocent unborn babies: our nation’s Posterity.
Abortion is, objectively, baby-killing/murder.
So, how can we as a People get our elected representatives to legislate and enforce that is the question.
Gary, one need not spend the rest of one’s life with the burden of unforgiven guilt. The Bible says abortion is wrong, but it also offers a source of true forgiveness through the blood of Jesus Christ. God will forgive if we will come to Him according to His conditions: Rom. 1:16; 6:3,4; 10:9,10; Mark 16:16; Acts 17:30; 2:38; 22:16.
Kudos! Excellent article!
In the 1800s, brave people in the US had the guts to speak for the slaves who were dehumanized and couldn’t speak for themselves. They eventually won and abolished slavery. Thanks for adding your voice to speak for the unborn. We shall overcome if we persist and finally abolish abortion.
Gary -
Whatever you do, get right with God.
Pray that the abortionists-murderers see the error of their ways and change for the better.
We as a people must get back to our own constitution and re-read the fifth and fourteenth ammendments.
God bless you, Gary! That was a beautiful piece. Before you wrote this, I was honestly a little worried about Big Hollywood. I was afraid you were going to be those conservatives that worshipped the free market and tax cuts, and if a few babies have to be murdered in order to get them then… oh well. But this completely completely changed my mind. For what little it’s worth, I’m behind you guys one hundred percent. Keep speaking truth to power, with charity, of course.
Here’s a book that every pro-life person (heck, every modern citizen) should read:
“The Politics of Virtue: Is Abortion Debatable?” by Elizabeth Mensch and Alan Freeman
It was written by two self-proclaimed “stereotypical east coast, liberal, Ivy League-educated professors” of environmental ethics and law. After years of having students come up and ask them about the ethics of abortion, they decided to properly study the issue. They delve into the history of abortion, the history of religion and law in America, and how we got to “Roe v. Wade.” In the end they find, ethically, no moral or legal justification for abortion. It is murder.
However, they also attempt to criticize and cut through the rhetoric and loaded language so prominent in both the pro-life and pro-choice camps, to encourage a path to civil discourse. Their analysis of how the two camps relate also has great application to issues of the environment, animal rights, and gay marriage. This book was published in 1993, and it is eerie the degree to which many of their predictions about the escalation of “culture wars,” polemics, and the death of civil discourse have come to pass.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0822313499/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
I participated in the Dallas pro-life march January 17, 2009.
Great article.
I don’t understand why a woman and man who *choose* to have sex … cannot then take responsibility for the natural consequences thereof … Whether they’re married or not, they know that a baby may be conceived.
By the way, contraceptives are not always 100% effective. . . . Some of the posts here seem to indicate that people don’t understand this! Saying “well, she could have taken her birth control pills” – The fact is, the pills & condoms etc. don’t always work as well as they are supposed to.
God deliberately designed sex to result in certain things. This design was meant for honor and beauty. . . . And to say that “they should not be ‘punished’ with a baby” – !
If a baby is that bad for you, then why did you have sex in the first place?
Take thought carefully, and consider your actions. Don’t rashly throw away your virginity, if you still have it. Ponder the paths of your feet.
I, too, am a murderer, something I did not mention in my first comment. Three times, the same as you, I participated in the destruction of my own unborn children. Why? Because I bought into the garbage my POS father fed me about “do your own thing”, “no rules”, “free love” and all that effing sixties crap. My dad was not just a product of the sixties; he helped PRODUCE that crap decade. He is now a miserable product of his own disdain for anything of real value.
I know I am forgiven by God for this but it is a painful thing and I don’t spend much time thinking about it.
“Free love” is NOT free, there is a price to be paid for such things.
Maria:
Harley, you are an absolute idiot.
Yes. Seems you’ve shut him up for now; good job!
But he’ll be back.
While it’s too easy to identify the simpleton dunderhead trolls (we all know who they are), harley has managed to convince a few that his “counter” arguments add to the discussions. Distilling GG’s post to an analogy between aborting innocent babies and murdering abortion doctors so as to draw an ostensible moral equivalency does not add to the discussion IMAO.
One of the best “bestings” of harley I’ve read (and there have been many) is by none other than our leader Dirty Harry here.
And the woman thing? Watch out what you say to him because he has no sense of humor, to quote:
Here:
harley – January 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 am
Oh, Carolyn, the old ‘mother’s basement’ joke, this time super improved by the beanie propeller line. (What’re you, 65? Oh. And menopausal?).
You’d be a more effective bully if you were smarter. Pity, that.
And here:
harley – January 23rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Sharon! I find it interesting that the posters on this site with the biggest swinging dicks are all women. Angry, smirky, condescending women.
Not sure why. Maybe it’s just a coincidence. Me? I blame Ann Coulter.
So, whaddya think? Misogynist or Progressive? Or just a hack troll?
By the way, contraceptives are not always 100% effective. . . . Some of the posts here seem to indicate that people don’t understand this! Saying “well, she could have taken her birth control pills” – The fact is, the pills & condoms etc. don’t always work as well as they are supposed to.
The reason I bring this up is because contraception is very effective much of the time– if used correctly. I’m not pro-life for religious reasons, I simply believe that the moment of conception is the moment life begins. I don’t have any issues with birth control and have found it to be very effective. I used the pill for over 10 years and never had an unwanted pregnancy.
That said, I know that, propaganda aside, teaching abstinence works. I remember reading about how effective abstinence education had been in Africa and how it had helped, considerably, in preventing more unwanted pregnancies and babies born with AIDS. I’m all for teaching abstinence, but if a teenager (or adult) chooses to have sex, birth control is an option. The only to way to absolutely prevent a pregnancy is to not have sex, but responsible sex is better than unprotected sex every time.
Bottom line though. If a child is conceived, no matter how, it still should not be murdered. If we were really proactive with adoption programs to place these babies I doubt it’d ever be an issue. Adopted newborns are in huge demand in this country since so many women wait until they’re past their 30’s to try to conceive. I would think it’d be a no-brainer to find good adoptive homes for the accidentally conceived children. But apparently, murder has been easier.
Gary,
I was already a fan of your earlier pieces here on Big Hollywood, but now I am a fan with the utmost of respect. Very brave of you to open your heart and let us see the mistaks you have made. Having been raised in a politically apathetic home, albeit the stance on pro-choice was always quite obvious, I think I will always be torn on this subject. I think this is mainly due to the issues you mentioned, i.e., rape, serious birth defects, etc. Also, the sad truth is that if a woman wants to have an abortion, she will have an abortion…legal or not.
Since you are well-versed and very well thought out on this subject, I was wondering if you might address the recent trend in so many actresses chosing to have a baby, with or without the benefit of marriage. What I’m most curious about is if this is a backlash to the previous decades where actresses were encouraged to have abortion after abortion in order not to hinder their career? Or is it a generation of women coming who realize with all the money they make in the entertainment business they can really have it all, children, career, marriage even, and aren’t as compelled to submit to the old Hollywood traditions?
I’m not saying that single motherhood is the best route, but that versus a dead baby would be my choice if I had to make it.
Again, kudos to your being so open about your past. I believe redemption can be found in helping to enlighten others by our mistakes. Thank you for your enlightened thoughts on this subject.
BTW…I didn’t even realize that I also have been a fan of yours from years back. Alien Nation was one of the best TV shows on at that time (which of course guaranteed it would be yanked from the airways as quickly as possible).
Anyone that has any doubts of a fetus not being intelligent life yet should watch “Silent Scream” on youtube.
I’ve always been pro-life. I’m a Catholic and I majored in biology in college, so I know how incredibly swift the transition from sperm+egg to beating heart really is. When my daughter showed me her 3-D ultrasound and I could see the baby’s face I was almost floored with awe. This wasn’t a clump to be vacuumed out, it was a baby and an individual in her own right no matter what Ashley Judd, Nancy Pelosi or Peter Singer say.
We keep using the wrong language, the wrong words. We default to religious beliefs when arguing against those who, at best, do not want anyone to “impose” those beliefs on another (like themselves), when “of course” all religious beliefs are equivalent in worth. We say “human life” when we mean soul, against those who may doubt such exists while awaiting for science to declare we are just programmed biological machines, and who cares about disposing of unwanted (unborn) machines?
Use their words, their language, see if they listen to their own arguments. If not, their hypocrisy will be exposed.
Abortion, as it stands, is a bastion of inequality that dis-enfranchises half the population, as it is soundly against sexual equality.
Once the decision to copulate is made, the male has One Shot at preventing fertilization, which must be prepared for and done correctly, despite being “in the moment” and possibly somewhat intoxicated. Anything goes wrong, like believing she’s on “completely effective” birth control, he can be burdened for 18+ years for that moment and have no say whatsoever. The female is allowed up to nine months of sober contemplation to decide if she so wishes to be burdened, and thus if he is also (at least financially). She is also granted complete control over that which is half his and may dispose of his material interest at will with no compensation. This is a blatant injustice and in complete disregard of the basic human right to equality.
Clearly the simplest legal remedy is doing away with non-emergency abortion, the responsibility and consequences shared by both parties. However, this is not considered prudent for political reasons. Therefore, a fair and equitable system should be established. If both agree to termination (with the male party firmly identified by testing), then it can happen, likewise both may decline. However, either may ask for termination. If the male insists but the female declines, he shall then be allowed to sign away all interest in the matter and unburden himself, this decision being allowed until childbirth, as the female is allowed to do, at which point refusal of termination shall be assumed. For the reverse, she can sign away as well and leave him the child upon birth, with just compensation provided for her services as a de-facto surrogate mother. While some may complain a male can thus insist on a female undergoing a possibly risky medical procedure, the proponents of abortion will undoubtedly, when asked, agree the medical consequences of abortion are less to equivalent of those from full-term childbirth thus nothing greater is requested. After all if abortion was worse than childbirth then it should be properly flagged as such. The theoretical extra risk for childbirth is accounted for in the “just compensation,” if you were wondering.
Small stuff: If the father is not identified from in utero genetic testing, to preserve his rights there can be no termination until located, if the child is born meanwhile he can still unburden himself, or pay compensation including incurred childrearing expenses or “normal arrangement” shared burden. She may unburden meanwhile, with the child placed in foster care. If both agree to unburden, the child goes up for adoption (compensation payed by adopters or state). That amniocentesis (safest method) can’t be done until at least the 14th week doesn’t matter, this is a legal issue with around nine months involved for the decisions, and the preservation of rights for all individuals (such as the male) is paramount. And abortion at nine months is no greater an issue than at one month, right?
This fair and just system embodies equality. It also emphasizes personal responsibility, allowing the male to assume all of it as desired which the current system rebukes, while also removing the potential “profit motive” where females could have several children merely to collect child support. Indeed, how can any true advocate of “personal choice” refute this notion that BOTH genetic donors should be allowed such free and unfettered equal rights of choice? Truly, it is an AMERICAN system!
And if one insists that somehow this system is absurd, with details like allowing the male to decide on termination right before birth (which is still no worse than childbirth as it is abortion), well we as Americans must(!) stand by our principles and side with equality, which the current system absolutely, undeniably does not. The simpler, presumably less absurd remedy was mentioned earlier. Pick one.
Building on fire, you can only save one: Newborn baby or dixie cup full of 100 fertilized eggs. I mean if you take the baby and not the cup that’s practically genocide.
I never gave abortion a second thought until I had a religious conversion- and then it was suddenly blindingly obvious. I have heard the same from many others- to the point where I now think that being pro-choice automatically discredits anyone’s claim to be a christian- although i would never lay that trip on someone personally because I don’t think that’s right either…
But Obama cleared up his commitment to Christ early in the campaign, to which I say ” You keep saying that word, i don’t think it means what you think it means.”
God Bless
Anti-abortion legislation is never going anywhere….ever. Conservatives (social or otherwise) absolutely waste their time trying to force the issue and, even worse, alienate people that might otherwise get on board with the majority of the platform.
Write again when you’re a woman.
Telling someone that they cannot abort a pregnancy is an affront to personal liberty. And about trying being a woman ,true, does anyone believe for one second that if we were the ones carrying that abortion would not be a 5 second procedure and legal everywhere and probably free? Of course it would be. There would be mobile abortion trucks, 15 minutes or less, $29.99.
Bottom line is that in my opinion, if it is in your body…sort of your call.
“JD – January 28th, 2009 at 3:58 am
Anti-abortion legislation is never going anywhere….ever.”
Abortion was mentioned in short order on both “Private Practice” and “Boston Legal” recently. “Alan Shore,” the resident liberal on BL, mentioned during the “closing thoughts” part how difficult it is to argue these days that life doesn’t begin at conception. The PP consensus was “it’s legal so we as doctors have to provide it,” with clear indications that several wouldn’t if possible. The debate is changing, and it is no longer just a “clump of cells.” Where things will end up over time…
Why is it the party that is against the death penalty is for legal abortion, and having the government pay for it? A murderer, a wasted potential, means more than an unknown potential? Why did so many feminist groups, proud of the accomplishments of women, support Obama yet rejected Sarah Palin? Is this ONE issue so important that they should ostracize “one of their own” over it, and side with the one that picked “an old white guy” over a woman as a better-qualified running mate? With so many mixed messages, I doubt the non-conservatives will ever agree with the conservatives on much, abortion or otherwise, as they can’t even coherently classify exactly what they claim to hold so dear.
JD – January 28th, 2009 at 4:23 am
Bottom line is that in my opinion, if it is in your body…sort of your call.
Problem is, JD, that a woman is not born with two nervous systems and two brains therefore, it is not her body. Those are the first things that develop in a fetus and they begin developing long before a woman is even aware that she is pregnant.
If it is her body, then she should be more careful to not get pregnant in the first place.
I’m truly, truly dazzled by your piece and this site’s willingness to take on the sacred cows of our culture of death. I came of age a few years before you, I believe, in the anything goes 60s and 70s. Though raised in a conservative, Christian small town in the South, I threw it all over-board for the myths of the sexual revolution. Suffice it to say, it wasn’t until decades later that I too came to my senses. Ultimately I had a profound Salvation Experience and saw more Light than I was almost able to bare. I couldn’t agree with you more. And would only add several points that I think are worth noting from a woman’s perspective:
First, abortion is taking life. When a man acquiesces to a woman’s right to abortion, especially if the woman is his wife, he loses his moral authority as head of the family. And a funny thing happens, sometimes almost impercptibly at first: deep down a woman loses respect for him. No matter how much she loves and is attracted to him, she loses respect for her co-conspirator. Then often she loses her sexual attraction for him. And then most likely they lose the marriage.
It is only in hindsight, sadly, that I have come to understand this.
And second, when people begin to come to their senses regarding to taking life through abortion, it is there they can often can no longer hide from the fact they are true sinners in need of a Savior.
I am deeply impressed by what you, Andrew and others are doing here at Big Hollywood. And the most important compliment I can give you is that I deeply respect you. And that’s no small thing.
Thanks Gary, your article is the best one I have ever read on the topic of abortion. Keep up the good work!
If President Obama is really concerned with the rights of all people, he should take up the cause of a new civil rights movement, the rights of the unborn!
He is pushing policy that protects the rights of violent psychopathic murdering unrepentant terrorists and then lobbies to take away the state’s right to restrict abortion and implement federal law allowing late term abortions and minor girls to get abortions without parental notification, while banning alternatives to abortion counseling.
If that wasn’t bad enough he wants the US taxpayers to fund abortions here and around the world and force Catholic, Mormon, Baptist, Jewish, Methodist etc. hospitals to perform abortions or lose Fed money for other medical programs. Nancy Pelosi says that funding the bloody abortion industry is good for creating jobs and boosting the economy…is that how the Nazis justified the Holocaust?
36 years after Roe v Wade, over 50 million innocent unborn babies or as President Obama called them in a previous speech “a mistake” have been killed. How can the US have a better future when we are killing future generations.
I am fearful that GOD will punish us for allowing this to happen and that President Obama is the 1st installment of that punishment.
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42 million babies a year ! And 45 million since Roe v Wade ?
If there’s a heaven, the ones occupying it will probably never face the ones who put them there.
As Ramesh Ponururu wrote, The Party of Death.
These democrats are turning into professional babykillers, now there’s a job title to avoid.
Last time anyone got paid for that,well, fascism has many faces.
We live in a great society. The CIA can’t waterboard killers to save innocent lives, but women can kill their children-to-be and go to dinner later that day.
Figure that one out!
Hey, why can’t waterboarding be a CHOICE?
There has been a fair bit of comment already, so I won’t repeat it.
I pray for those who feel that killing an unborn child is (or was) necessary even though they know it is wrong, and I pray for those who lack the moral sense to know that it is wrong.
And I say those prayers confident that God is indeed full of mercy and grace, as you have also learned.
Mr Blifil:
I had a child that was born at 24 weeks. She died shortly after a hour of birth. Now granted, she was born alive (as are some babies of abortion) but had she been born dead I would still have had a funeral for her. I can’t imagine someone who would willingly go and have their child riped limb from limb from the mothers body. I remember holding my daughter and wanting her to live so badly. I think about her everyday, 17 years later. I simply can not imagine what a mother who murdered her own child must think or feel, knowing she allowed it to happen.
RE: E.C. Frank – Thanks for your story. I am a child of rape too. My mother decided to keep me although I know she thought of abortion. I also can speak of this because I got pregnant at 14 for the first time. My daughter is now 18 years old. My second pregnancy at 16 was where my baby died shortly after birth. I have gone on to have 5 more living children. I can not imagine life without them. I say it the same way you do. If my mother would have aborted me then 6 wonderful souls would not be here as well as any future generations to come. God is a wonderful and merciful God. I am so thankful for all that He has entrusted me with.
Gary,
Your honesty and courage in this piece illustrates why we who embrace the Culture of Life will prevail. Because of your willingness to come forward with your confession of past guilt, others will find the courage to stand up and say,”I regret having my abortion.”
When have you ever heard a mother or father say, “I regret that I didn’t abort my child?”
I have nothing to add, because you’ve said it all. Well done, and thanks for being so transparent. I’m reposting this everywhere.
This may be the single most compelling anti-abortion piece I’ve ever read.
Thank so much for sharing this. I’m forwarding it to a number of friends as I type this.
Wonderful article Gary! I categorized myself (in my younger years) as pro-choice. Not that I could ever have an abortion, but that I should not impose my views on others. Yet, as you, I have grown uncomfortable with that position and can no longer argue that abortion is not murder. It is in fact murder. It’s just that simple. A woman doesn’t actually have a right to do anything she’d like with her body, we do not have the right to kill ourselves, so how can we have the right to kill another life within ourselves? It is morally indefensible. Keep up the great work Gary.
FEAR works so well; I can now clearly recall that in my twenties, I was actually FEARFUL of an administration that might make abortion illegal. Ya see, I wanted to have lots of sex and didn’t want any unwanted pregnancies to stand in my way. I was SO selfish and ignorant, and I see now the same selfishness and ignorance driving today’s young liberals. It was ALL ABOUT ME back then. If you see a little of yourself here, step back and think about it. Many of us here were like you at one time; don’t make the same mistakes we did.
I also wonder why is it that “right to choose” doesn’t seem to include any encouragement for those who CHOOSE to have children under this administration? They are spending a lot of time and money trying to get people to “prevent” pregnancies (read “abort” pregnancies if prevention fails) and in the process, creating a state culture of death, as well as wrecking the self-esteem of millions.
Here are the solutions I’ve seen so far for “reducing our carbon footprint”:
“Inflate your tires”
“Drive a hybrid”
“Abort your unborn child”
Partial Birth Abortion has actually been banned in the US, and even when legal, it was admittedly, a very small percentage of abortions.
But the so-called Freedom of Choice Act which the new administration favors (may not come up in Congress for a year or more, so no need to get concerned just yet), would reintroduce partial birth abortion, along with increased taxpayer funding of abortion, and removal of conscience rules for hospitals, health care providers, and doctors, who would not wish to perform abortions.
Great post, good luck.
mrsspooky, you might wanna read the comment twice. I made no attempt to find fault with Gary’s arguments, so there wasn’t much stretching going on. My complaint was with the false bravado in the duck and cover joke. And for a very specific reason.
But if you’d like, I’m happy to play. If you believe abortion is murder, then there are no exceptions allowed. Incest, rape, health of the mother. None. I fully respect anyone who is guided by the latter principal, however much I may disagree. But you can’t define murder in one case (terminating a pregnancy) and re-define it for another (cases of incest, rape, health of the mother).
That’s situational ethics, something, as I understand it, conservatives abhor.
Thank you for your courage in writing about this issue, Gary, especially in Hollywood. How ironic that the industry that was so “persecuted” in the 50s during the McCarthy “witch hunt,” is now doing the same thing to conservatives. And they have no shame, either.
P.S. I’m a big JAG fan and remember your character fondly!
I BELIEVE IN RETRO-ACTIVE ABORTION! You know who! Please report to Family Planning! I would pay for that.
Sorry for that, I just had to get that off my chest. I DO believe that abortion IS murder and the mother and doctor should be arrested for late term abortions. Period.
WIthin a very quick period that baby (fetus or what ever clinical term) begins to have a visible heart beat.
Please don’t take my head off for this, but I am uncomfortable with the one size fits all argument. I love the fact that you had questions you had about rape, or severe deformities. (I feel the same way and I applaud you questioning yourself) I have had experience with both. I know a woman who was raped, and she never got over it. Thank God she didn’t get pregnant, but all the therapy in the world, didn’t put her back together. Not everyone can bounce back.
A Friend and her husband were informed that their second child was extremely deformed, and if born (and I guess that was somewhat unlikely) it would not survive. As a note: I was also told that it would have had brain, organ, etc deformities, not just something like downs syndrome). After agonizing for a week they conceded to terminate the pregnancy. ( I know I padded it!) Today it still bothers them, but I keep thinking about my grandfather who was writhing in pain from cancer and the doctors could not do anything to help him. Now I am not advocating murder of sick people, but it was a horrible death. How could being born and allowed to die a horrible death be better or kinder. This was the information that we had. As for my Grandfather, they should have given him anything, LSD, whatever to keep him from the horrible pain.
I also did quite a bit or research on stem cell research. Although (I believe) it is not the miracle they quite expected, it only requires the division of 16 cells. Yes it is life, but if it replaces my fathers faulty heart and significantly improves/prolongs his life, I am all for that…. Why can’t we use the soon to be aborted fertilized eggs from in-vetro fertilized mothers who were successful in becoming pregnant? It doesn’t seem to bother anyone when those fertilized eggs fall apart.
Please don’t give me the religious part. I GET IT!… but I also had an uncle who was pastor of his church and a child molester. One size does NOT fit all.
Oh, and to the Capital Punishment person. Sorry, But I am all for it. Call it murder, call it what ever you want. You kill a cop, children, etc, you die. There is a process in place, with many safeguards, including DNA that help to prevent mistakes.
Ever been to a funeral for a miscarried fetus?
Yes. My sister. She would be 25.
Grow up or shut up, Bilfil.
Thanks so much for that Gary. You don’t often hear the remorse from the man’s perspective who have gone through it. For many, like myself, when we were younger and not as close to God as we should’ve been, we were easily convinced that there was nothing wrong with abortion. Anyone who now says they are close to God and STILL thinks abortion is okay is a LIAR. They may scream and rant, like you say, about how dare I presume to say such a thing, but deep down in their hearts they’re either lying about being close to God or believing that abortion is okay. Either way they’re screwed.
I was on another non political site(though they bring up politics from time to time, especially around the election).
A poster said(paraphrasing), if I’m against pro-life does that mean I’m pro-death?
I’m thinking, my gosh, people don’t even know what they stand for. I have a good feeling that most of the posters on there are liberal so they “set her straight” *rollseyes*
Thank you, Mr. Graham, for taking the time to write this. We have an obligation to tell the truth about abortion. It is up to God whether or not hearts and minds like MR. BLIFIL’s will be changed. Keep speaking the truth and keep praying.
Mr Blifil – January 28th, 2009 at 9:32 am
How many of these 1.2MM legalized abortions a year do you believe due to fetal abnormalities, rapes or incest? 1%? 5%?
What you and your ilk like to do is take the most extreme cases of pregnancy vis-a-vis abortion and treat it as if it the norm. You traffic in red herrings.
You like to ask questions. Now let me ask you one. You in favor of making abortion illegal if testing done and no genetic abnormality found? Chorionic villus sampling (CVS) can do this in the first trimester – that same trimester that all organs are fully formed.
Or maybe I should ask this? How about making CVS required before an abortion may be performed? Or is the decision still between “a woman, her doctor, and some nebulous little god?”
Ever notice the one who will be terminated has no voice in the mill’s little cliche?
Beautiful. Thank you for your candor. I’ve never read a piece like this from a man’s perspective. Definitely needed.
Blifil…first of all, I wrote “for many”..not “for all”..so get over that part. Second, what makes you think I’m “retroactively” letting myself off the hook? Ever heard of Christ and forgiveness? Here’s the catch though, when you ask for forgiveness you DON’T continue to do the sin you are asking forgiveness for. And that means not only physically but in your heart as well. I’m now trying to live in the moral code that has never changed, God’s moral code. Perfect? No, but I try. Don’t know about your God but mine’s a loving God. Gave up his one and only son so that our sins would be forgiven. I don’t exactly call that vengeful, only idiots who have no understanding of God would think so.
It’s not fear we channel when working to bring about legislation concerning abortion, it’s conscience. Would you say the same thing to a gay rights supporter who works at forcing the State to change it’s laws to accommodate them? Also, if “Freedom of Choice Act” is passed, what about all the Catholic Charities Hospitals who will close their doors rather than be forced to provide abortion services? Are you even aware how many thousands of locations there are around the country who provide for the poor? So you just keep speaking out…we’ll just speak out more loudly.
Richard-
“why can’t waterboarding be a choice” should be a bumper sticker.
Thank you for the idea. Works for me.
Thank you so much Gary!! As a survivor of the abortion Holocaust I truly appreciate, and agree with, everything you’ve said here. I wonder if all those “pro-choice” (more like pro murder)liberals have taken the time recently to thank their mothers for not aborting them? Hmmm… Anyways, great job of articulating the logic behind the pro-life stance. God Bless ya’ man!
“The only way that abortion is an absolute moral wrong depends on the presence of religious/spiritual aspects of personhood which are by definition unknowable…”
Reminds me of the time when “savages” were thought not to have souls. Which, I suppose, means that there was no way that killing them could be an absolute moral wrong, since the presence of religious/spiritual aspects of person-hood are unknowable. But hey, who needs Tansmanians, hm?
Someone who doesn’t believe that a baby has a soul likely doesn’t believe that *anyone* has a soul, so on what grounds is murder of the born wrong and killing the unborn not?
I won’t insist that everyone agree with me on the spiritual/religious aspects of person-hood but the argument that those things are unknowable for a fetus is an epic fail.
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“So God has annointed you the arbiter of “truth?” Neat trick. To quote a famous heathen: “There are more things on Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.” I’ll bet you even think of yourself as a humble person too.”
MR. BLIFIL, Only God is the ultimate authority on truth. I am a believer in the God of the bible and in His son, Jesus Christ as the savior of this fallen world. That is where I get the truth and as a believer I am moved to tell the truth of the bible. According to God, murder of humans is wrong and a baby in the womb is a human, no matter how many days or weeks since conception. (And let it be noted that I said murder is wrong, not killing, there is a difference, according to the bible). If you don’t believe the truth of the bible, that is fine, but we are really wasting our time here. Someday we will ALL finally know the truth. I really look forward to that day.
Blifil..careful when assuming. I’d never pretend to know what God ultimately has planned for you on your judgement day..that’s between you and Him. Personally I believe your screwed with the excuses you continue to try so hard to convince everyone else with. My personal opinion.
Mr Blifil – January 28th, 2009 at 10:38 am
What hospitals will be forced to close? Care to provide a link? You mean the Catholic Church will elect to close their doors out of ideological stubbornness? I believe conservatives refer to this as “market forces at work.”
http://www.topix.com/religion/christian/2008/12/faith-based-hospitals-could-close-if-obama-signs-freedom-of-choice-act
People who are true to their Faith do not “go with the flow” or “change with the times” when it comes to the teachings of the Bible. People who are true to their Faith do not cave to what others say is now right or wrong. Everyone in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah thought they were right about righ & wrong..hmm..guess not. The 614 hospitals listed does not include the clinics across the country, nor the individual doctors and nurses who choose not to be a part of the abortion industry.
There aren’t really any logical arguements against a much more restrictive abortion policy. There are edge cases like the mother’s life at risk or a baby without a brain. Very very rare. The law can accomodate that without allowing elective abortion like we do now. In the same way that only a very few born people are allowed to be legally killed–murderers.
But the “choice” arguements are pure sophistry, as are accomodations to it. For instance, I personally don’t beat my wife, but I don’t see why the law should be involved if other husbands choose to. Same arguement, just as stupid. Or, some men will beat women anyway, so we should keep it legal so that it is done safely. Nope, doesn’t fly.
Anyway, thank you for the piece.
JimmytheMC,
It’s not a terribly unreasonable objection, but you aren’t allowed to kill, for example, and illegal immigrant who doesn’t vote or pay taxes, either. Both parties, the mother and the baby, have rights. There is tension here, but that isn’t reason to error so very far on one side. No elective killing would be a much more reasonable middle position, compared to the current stance of “The mother decides the entire worth of the growing baby.” Binge drinking, for example, while pregnant is also morally wrong, but not in the same league as intentionaly killing. I strongly disagree that we would need to decide the former before limiting the latter. Let’s tackle the obvious ones first.
Blifil
If you’d “never pretend to know,” how do you have a basis from which to conclude that I’m “screwed?” You realize those two concepts are in opposition to each other, don’t you?
Oh please…now you’re just being inane. My opinion of you and your pro abort arguments are just that, MY opinion. My knowledge of what happens to you according to God is unknown to me because I have no knowledge of what God will do with you, He hasn’t called me to discuss it…duh.
Thanks very much Gary.
Nancy Palosi’s statements where reprehensible and insulting.
Her thinking is very sideways and conflicted. She wants increased funding for “family planning” and in the same breath says that the government gets “more bang for the buck” with welfare programs as opposed to tax cuts. So she wants increased spending on welfare but also wants government funded and sanctioned population control? Perhaps this is another reason why they wish to increase immigration, to compensate for all the abortions.
Instead of seeing the birth of a new taxpayer they see another mouth to feed. Instead of seeing a new beginning they see someone else who will have to be programmed to suit the governments plans.
Considering her words it become clear that Pelosi and her ilk view government as more important than the citizens. Every dollar generated belongs to the government and we will tell each of you how much you deserve.
She gave us a taste in the beginning when she became speaker of the house. “I need a bigger jet”!
Mr Blifil – January 28th, 2009 at 10:55 am
“But since what is actully under discussion is the establishment of a draconian Theocracy…”
Really? Maybe that’s what you were discussing, not me. You made a dumb comment about God anointing me arbiter of truth and I was responding to that. You seem really lost.
Mr Blifil – January 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
The Church should not have entered into an arrangment to accept federal funding if ideological differences with the party in power means they can’t afford to run their hospitals.
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It’s the government who is breaking the arrangement, not the Church. What Obama is doing is anti-religious. And quite frankley, faith-based charities, Catholic charities give more to the world than ANY government. And by the way…it’s not the government’s money..it’s OUR money that funds organizations such as the Catholic hospitals. How dare the government force upon an existing agreement knowing full well what the outcome will be. Liberal ignorance and intolerance at it’s decrepit best.
MR BLOHOLE BLFLIF Whatever, I don’t even want to look it up.
Thanks for furthering my belief in Retro Active Abortion. If you really want people to think (and I doubt it with all of your other Uber liberal drivel) try posting something constructive, and quit adding your ASSumptions. You continue to skim the surface and pass judgement and once again bring nothing to the table.
Did you run out of children to abuse? Why am I even commenting on you? I was looking for something without hatred, and enough sophistication to see beyond all of the Michael Moore’isms and Media hype you continually regurgitate. You obviously must not work. Is it that repetitive motion disorder from scratching you A** again?
Women have the right to chose whether or not to have sex. They also have the right to chose whether to use contraceptives if pregnancy is a concern. Why does their right to chose suddenly become important AFTER they are pregnant? What ever happened to “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”. If these women CHOSE to use their brains and play an active role in whether or not they become pregnant, abortions, government funded or not, would not be an issue.
I am a conservative and I believe abortion is an option in only the most extreme cases such as rape, incest, severe abnormalities or danger to the mother. Abortion for convenience is selfish and ALL will be held accountable at the judgment.
Mama Maria…awesome..thanks for the laugh! Kids are truly the best unaware comedians..:)
JD..God does not plan evil or wrong. Evil and wrong is the folly of man as a result of the gift of free will.
wileygrl3 – January 28th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
“Evil and wrong is the folly of man as a result of the gift of free will”
Well said!
Gotta get some work done now, already spent too much time reading all these interesting posts. I guess MR. BLIFIL has run out of his illogical arguments, so sad to see him go, or maybe he’s just looking up stuff on the internet to give himself some ammo.
thank you so very much for sharing this with us Mr Graham. May God have mercy on us all for what we have done.
“If God has a plan, as in everything that will happen he already knows, then why are we even arguing? If someone does something bad it was SUPPOSED to happen, right? What happened to free will? Aren’t we to choose our own paths? Use some logic, either everything happens for a reason or nothing does. And if it’s everything than everyone who is condemned is already condemned before ther’re even born.”
Oh, where do I begin? Of course God has a plan; he knows what will happen in every situation and knows what the results will be of every single choice, the ones taken and the ones not taken as well; in other words, He’s omniscient.
We have free will, as we can choose what to do. Everything happens for a reason, and yes, we are condemned before we’re even born because of the original sin committed by Adam & Eve long, long ago.
Mr Blifil,
To answer your question, if no genetic abnormality is found during CVS testing, late abortions won’t need to be made illegal, since it’s reasonable to suppose that no sane person or accredited OB/GYN would wait until late in the second trimester to abort, given the potential dangers to the mother’s health and reproductive future. I assume that lays your objections to rest.
No, not only does it not answer my question but second trimester abortions happen quite frequently. What you have done is opened a can of worms by spinning – a common ploy of the infanticide fans. Ever here of George Tiller the Baby Killer out of Wichita? That’s the man specialty – late term abortions.
So I guess I am to assume that you feel life then begins then at 13 weeks?
Thanks again Gary for vocalizing the views that many share with you. Also, thank you for the open sharing of your own life experiences. I think you have spoken for many men that have gone through the same things that you did. Glad to see that previously obnoxious responders were absent this time. Keep up the blogging.
FRIEND
Karl Marx was an Athiest. He believed it was the first step toward Socialism, which was the next step toward Communism.
Athiests reject all Judaeo-Christian values like mercy, forgivness, and gratitude. They believe that by rejecting God, they put themselves on the path to Enlightment.
I see it all the time among Democrats and Hollywood volk. They are the 21st Century Bolshiveks.
Athiests have always believed that violence is the best way to strengthen the human race. Nietzsche’s (Athiest) second most famous quote was “That which does not kill you, makes you stronger”. Abortion is the chosen violence of Liberials, today. Pelosi has said as much.
Nietzsche’s most famous quote, of course, was “God is dead”. Interesting that Fred is dead, and God remains eternal.
Gad,,,hear/here
I had the same change of heart in 1989. By then I had paid for 2 abortions. When my wife got pregnant in 2003, we lost the baby at 15 weeks, found out at 18 weeks. Their solution for us? Go to Planned Parenthood and sit in a room full of women there to kill their babies because they were the best qualified to do the job. After telling them that was never going to happen, we were sent to the hospital and they induced labor. 20 hours later we got to say goodbye to Nathaniel. I now have a 4 year old and a 3 year old. They are blessings from God. I used to think I would never be able to have kids of my own because I had already killed 2. We serve a merciful God. Lord, please has mercy on this country now.
Once again, excellent! Thank you. Keep writing.
JD said:
Who gets to decide what’s good or evil?
Every society has moral codes you have to live by – they’re called laws. What about rape? Can someone rape and then say “Well, you might think I did evil, but I’m OK with it, so how dare you judge me?”
But laws are made by humans and can sometimes be wrong, like the laws which permitted slavery and Jim Crow in our country.
Unwittingly, you demonstrate the problem I have with atheism. Of course, religious people sin and do bad things sometimes, they’re humans. But if there is no transcendent being, then might always makes right. If the majority of people in Germany in 1935 thought Hitler was wonderful and laws discriminating against Jews were fine, well, hey, that was their “choice” wasn’t it? How can you say anything is good or evil if humans are the highest power and they can change their definitions of what good and evil are? As Doestoyevsky said “If there is no God, anything is permitted.”
Which is why, although individual atheists can be good and moral people and I certainly don’t want to persecute them, a world full of atheists would be a very grim place. Communism is godless and that’s one of the reasons it killed 100 million people in the 20th century. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. didn’t need God – they were gods in their own countries. Look at the misery that ensued.
Unlike the killing that goes on in gulags, abortion is quiet and silent – it takes place out of the public eye in clinics and hospitals, so people can push it out of their minds. But it is also the result of people playing God, deciding who is unwanted and who should die.
As Gary said – God have mercy on us all.
It is perhaps your past that makes you a most ardent of supporters. God takes what was evil and finds a good in it. Keep the Faith.
Don’t forget the black genocide of murder via abortion when the majority of babies aborted are black.
Thank you, Gary… Once again, right on the nose.
I’m now 50.. but back “in the day” when I was only 23… I had an abortion. It was soooo easy to do. Way too easy. I’m still haunted by the memory of what could have been. I remember the song playing in the background as they vacuumed me out… I murdered my own baby. I was wrong.
And now, MY government wants to take MY tax dollars to make it sooo easy for another mother to murder her child too.
It’s all too sickening….
When I was just out of college I paid to have my girlfriend get an abortion. Did I not know? Did I suppress the knowledge? I can’t remember. Later I married her and we now have three beautiful daughters, but I still keep the abortion date as a day of mourning every year. I helped kill a human being, and no-one else except my wife knows.
Thanks for a beautiful piece, Mr. Graham. Back in that same era, I had a similar experience (in Monterey, CA, in fact, though I haven’t lived in the land of fruits and nuts since.) Abortion is an abomination that’s even worse than slavery.
Absolutely beautiful…..
Odd how it’s immediately a ‘baby’ when the child is wanted. If it’s inconvenient, it’s a fetus. Ah, the art of nomenclature.
I think that everyone who is pro abortion should have to witness a partial birth abortion. That everyone who voted for Barack Obama and, by extension, the FOCA, should have to be in the room when a partial birth abortion is performed.
My cousin has had so many abortions that she has lost count. It is her birth control. She goes to the same clinic every single time, and according to her they don’t even bat an eyelash or ask why she’s getting one. Her insides are so torn up that she couldn’t have a baby now if she wanted one.
97% of all abortions are for lifestyle choices – not the health of the mother. Less than 1% is due to rape or incest. I am not McCain’s biggest fan, but I was glad that someone finally pointed out the myth of ‘health of the mother’ during the last presidential debate.
I’m wondering, has a doctor ever refused to do an abortion to save the life of the mother?
TDP
My cousin has had so many abortions that she has lost count. It is her birth control. She goes to the same clinic every single time, and according to her they don’t even bat an eyelash or ask why she’s getting one. Her insides are so torn up that she couldn’t have a baby now if she wanted one.
If an 18 year old girl went to a doctor and said she wanted her tubes tied because she didn’t want kids what do you think the chances are the doctor would perform that procedure?
Thank you, Gary. Absolutely stunning truths.
May God have mercy on us all.
I’d be willing to make a trade.
No more capital punishment in exchange for no more tax funded abortions.
Yep, spare the lives of cold blooded murderers for the comfort in knowing that I don’t have to pay for the murder of those little “inconveniences”.
Cool?
Blowhole said:
“Tell you what, brave man. Post your home address, phone number and social security number and I’ll show up at your door with coffee cake so we can chat mano-a-mano. If you don’t do any of that, it proves you are a coward.”
I’m sorry, your real name is …?
Still waiting.
I have a feeling it’s gonne ba a lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng wait.
I want to thank you for a well written piece. I’ve been agreeing with and saying this from a young age. Conception starts a human life. How long it will last is unknown, will it even make it to birth (not all do even without the murder known as abortion) but we are not in charge of length of life.
I don’t think I have read it put so well anywhere.
Thank you
When does a fetus become a “human being”? Well, scientifically speaking it is from the very moment of conception, no question about it. The moment we are conceived even as a single cell we are both “alive” from a scientfic standpoint and “homo sapien”, making us a human being. No debate can be had on the science, it speaks for itself.
The legal question is a real nightmare though. Our Constitution was originally written in more or less plain English, or at least what was plain English at the time. Read some of the other works of Thomas Jefferson and you’ll soon discover that our Constitution wasn’t written in some form of cryptical legalize, it was written so that any average Joe off the street could read it and say, “Ya, ok, I get it.”
Abortion advocates have always framed the argument that their is some sort of implied right to privacy amongst the various admendments to the Constitution. This I do not dispute. However what they completely fail to consider, much as the Supreme Court did in Roe V. Wade, is that no implied right can possibly be more important than a specific right as spelled out in the 14th Amendment, that no person can be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process. That is exactly what abortion is, you are depriving a *person* of their life without due process.
And yes, a fetus is a person from a scientific standpoint, again from the moment of conception. In order to be a person you simply need to be “human” and “individual”. A DNA test on a fertilized egg easily proves both, that you are human and individual from the moment of conception. So really what legalized abortion truly represents is the redefinition of the word “person” by judicial fiat, a very terrifying prospect indeed.
Once you start redefining who “are” and “are not” people by anything other than a strict scientific basis you’ve got serious trouble and a moral quagmire on your hands, even if you don’t believe in any sort of higher moral power. This is the same argument that was used to justify such things as slavery for years.
Ok, science/legal mode off, religion mode on. Gary, after reading through this at one point in the article you mentioned that you “knew you were condemned” concerning the abortions you took part in. I disagree, wholeheartedly. As a father of three girls I do my best to instill values in them and raise them properly, but they do make mistakes. I cannot imagine any act so terrible that one of my girls might commit that would make me stop loving them. Even murder – if they truly felt sorry for what had happened and wanted me to forgive them I would. I can’t hate my children, no matter how bad their mistakes. And I’m just a normal, average father, flawed and human. Imagine for a moment the infinite love of God, the father. If I couldn’t turn my back on my children, how could He ever turn his back on you, one of his children? He is, afterall, a much better father than I could ever hope to be – just a thought.
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Mr. Blifil, as usual, begs the question. There is NO LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT that conception creates a unique human life. Left alone [i]in utero[/i], what comes along in 9 months is a human baby. It’s NOT a unicorn, a flatworm or a web-footed, black-spotted, ground beetle. It’s a human child. That science has allowed us to keep human embryos viable indefinitely does NOT negate that simple fact. Those human embryos that are never implanted are STILL human beings and should be treated with the respect all human life deserves.
That said, Mr. Graham’s epiphany is not at all uncommon, though he described it quite eloquently. I have two children–one a “natural” son and the other an adopted daughter. In addition, we have dozens of what we call “foster” kids–kids that we helped raise and who consider us to be part of their respective families. I wouldn’t trade one of them for all the millions in the “stimulus plan” that the Dimocrats are foisting off on us this week.
Very nicely put Gary! Thanks for your willingness to step out!
Some additional points to ponder…….
1) How come Planned Parenthood is never considered a “Special Interest Group” with an industry to defend? They are.
2) If a fetus is not valuable (and worthy of killing) since it is “non-viable” outside of a womb, why do we have nursing homes for the elderly that require the equivilent level of care to survive?
3) Statistics on aborthon are available on the CDC website. Rarly are they the result of inscest or rape.
I just stumbled on this ditty and have no idea who you are, but your are my new hero. I am from the same era and tried hard to have as much fun as you did….but alas was a more the scholarly jock type and thus not cool enough to get laid so to speak until I married a girl I met in an accounting class. Fortunatly I have no regrets because I my lack of success…but I do remember the dorm floor abortion fund we kept just in case. Yep we collected money for beer and abortions, what an era.
You are a very brave man, indeed! This is a very powerful testimony you have given and I applaud you for taking this stand for truth. May God bless you and may your message prick the hearts of many.
Gary,
Very well said. Thanks for putting the self-evident into words, as our nation has become almost completely blind to much that is self-evident.
What hope remains for a nation that no longer can differentiate between good and evil?
You brought it – way to go
a woman’s right to choose is humpty dumpty logic.
the choice is whether you spread your legs. accept the consequences or close them.
yeah yeah yeah…but what about rape??? incest???? you don’t solve an evil with a greater evil.
btw, i am a single parent who did not choose abortion. the result???
a beautiful daughter who sings to me, composes poetry, dances, laughs, and is in her second year at college… i could not imagine not having her in my life…
we are all sinners gary…but God smiled at your beautiful truthful writing.
Mr Blifil: Yes, there is no debate on the science. We are human and alive from the point of conception. The fact that medical science has now progressed to the point where eggs can be fertilized and stored outside the womb doesn’t alter the basic scientific truth of that point. Once those eggs are fertilized they become both human and alive from a scientific standpoint. To say otherwise is merely to express a colossal ignorance of basic biology.
So yes, it would require us to rethink a few things and perhaps alter certain medical procedures as a result with more emphasis placed on protecting the human life generated by the fertility process, but I don’t consider that an overly terrible consequence by any means. Such knee jerk over the top emotional reactions as the one you posted are simply without merit and have no basis in fact.
I also noted J.D.’s rather flawed argument that all women “forced to risk her life in childbirth”. Of course this argument itself is quite ridiculous, the number of women who actually risk fatality by carrying a child to term are incredibly small, and the law even before Roe V Wade always made exceptions for these extreme cases. Again an over the top, meritless emotional response without basis in fact.
I’m beginning to wonder, if legalized abortion is indeed so “logical”, why can’t any of you who support it seem to defend it from a logical standpoint?
Thanks for having the courage to be transparent, Gary. When I had my abortion back in 1975, I was told that my baby was a “mass of tissue” and that my life would return to normal in two days. Two days later, I returned to school. As it turned out, Right-to-Life just happened to be visiting my class that day. They talked about abortion and presented a slide show that absolutely broke my heart. Needless to say, my life DID NOT return to normal as promised. The greedy purveyors of abortion purposely thwart our right-to-know, craftily obfuscating the reality of abortion with doublespeak–while shamelessly padding their pockets with the blood money of our lost sons and daughters. They dare to call this “choice?” Surely, as each tiny martyr succumbs to this horrendous genocide, our nation’s moral clarity dies a little more.
Right on!!!
I am sure it took you great deal of courage to write this and you will get opposition from those less enlightened than you. I honor your honesty! It shows the maturity of your thoughts and the realization that God gives the miracle of life and all human life should be respected. Please send this to President Obama as he will now be responsible for killing millions of human beings throughout the world using our tax money. May God forgive us as we know not what we are doing.
I think the reason pro-choice people hate pro-lifers is because they are convicted when they hear the truth about abortion. The truth is that abortion is taking a human life. And that life contains all the human DNA with the potention to become even the first Afican American president of the USA.
Most abortions are performed for merely selfish reason. We have set ourselves up as pagan gods and now sacrifice our children for our own pleasure, desires, wishes or ambitions. We will also be held accountable for these souls.
First of all, I would like to tell Mr. Graham thank you for this article. It was wonderful, beautiful, moving, and almost emotionally overwhelming. It brought tears to my eyes, and I am so proud of you as a person.
Second, someone posed a question meant to “shut up” pro-lifers: should women who have abortions go to jail? The asker had no answer, but I have mine. I do not hesitate the slightest when I give my answer of “Yes, absolutely”. I fully support any laws that lock away all responsible for a murder, including the “doctor” and assistants who performed it as well.
One thing I disagreed with in the article was the questioning of whether extreme cases warrant an abortion. I actually /agreed/ with one of the trolls on this comment board when he or she said that life is life; either taking the child’s life is okay, or it is not. You can’t pick and choose when /murder/ is alright. The fact remains that we’re talking about an innocent child here who isn’t at fault for the sins of his or her father. Punishing that child (and thereby rewarding the rapist or molester) does not make the traumatic event go away. In many cases (and I would even dare to say /most/), taking the life of the baby only intensifies the grief for the woman.
As far as the case of birth deformities/defects/conditions, I’d like to share a true story. Professor L.R. Agnew of the UCLA School of Medicine posed a set of circumstances to his students: “Here is the family history. The father has syphilis, the mother has TB. They have already had four children. The first one is blind, the second one died. The third is deaf, and the fourth has TB. The mother is now pregnant with her fifth child. The parents are willing to have an abortion if you decide they should. What do you think?” A large majority of the students said they would strongly recommend abortion. “Congratulations!” Agnew told them. “You have just murdered Beethoven!” Who knows all the brilliance that’s been slaughtered already? And who but Beethoven himself can truly decide that death is better than the quality of life he would have? Answer: no one. And I hear people talking about babies with deformities and how they would be in so much pain. It’s not as if they come out of the womb and suddenly feel everything; they do feel pain in the womb (like when they’re, say, ripped apart or burned alive in a saline solution). You’re not saving them anything or doing them any good by not giving them a chance, however small it may be.
Scientifically, biologically speaking, (as I believe someone else pointed out earlier) the child is in no way a part of the woman’s body. Unborn babies have their own set of DNA and all the growth hormones from conception they will need for the rest of their lives. They’re a whole other being, a whole other body and only draw nutrients (or toxins) from the mother by way of absorption through the placenta. So it really irritates me when [apparently ignorant] women (and on occasion, men trying to speak /for/ women) use the “It’s my body, and I’ll do what I want” argument. Well, no. No, it’s /not/ your body; it’s someone else’s.
Another arguement that irritates me is this: “If you don’t agree with abortion, don’t have one.” Ick. People expect us to sit in our corners and shut our mouths, to allow it to happen. Since when is it okay to stand by uselessly when another group of people is being slaughtered? Is that what we did when all the Jews were being killed without reason? Is that what people want to do now with all the horrible things that have been going on in Darfur? Not the last time I checked. With the insane amount of comments, I can hardly remember who’s who anymore, but someone talked about how their god was okay with his or her decision not to interfere. I’m glad that’s not my God. My God commands me to minister unto the sick, poor, hungry, homeless, those in pain. I would rather rip my own left arm off than shut my mouth when there are people with no voices who need me to speak up on their behalf. Besides that, do not tell me it’s not my business when my hard-earned money pays for it.
And yet another: “She’s going to have an abortion whether it’s legal or not, so we may as well keep it so that she’s safe.” … I’m sorry, let me get this straight. Robbery is illegal. But I should give the thieves the keys to the bank so they don’t hurt themselves while taking what’s not theirs. Right… Things are illegal for a reason. I’m sorry if she gets hurt; it’s sad, yes. But there are consequences, sometimes fatal, when one does not follow the rules, such as with drunk driving. If it happens, no one but herself is at fault for that. However, /currently/, millions upon millions are murdered legally, and I am definitely not okay with that. I’ll not settle.
Again, I’m not really sure who said what now. But someone mentioned stem cell research. I hate that discussion. There are more useful stem cells than just the dead bodies of unborn babies. Seriously, look it up instead of automatically repeating what you hear. That argument is pointless, so moving on. Someone also said that the baby’s heart doesn’t beat until five weeks in. This is also incorrect. The baby’s [at this stage, primitive] circulatory system, including the heart, is in place and working before the third week is up. However, it is so small and faint that it cannot be /heard/ (notice I don’t say “seen”) until a few weeks later.
And finally, to a Mr. Blifil: With your tragic past (for which I honestly, truly mourn on your and your wife’s behalf), perhaps it shouldn’t be all that surprising that you’re so bitter towards God (though still, it makes me sadder to hear that callousness and bitterness than words can properly express). But tragedy is no excuse to be a filthy human being. It’s not an excuse to wish death on innocence or mock those who have been devastated by miscarriage because of their [correct] belief that the child was living. To be perfectly honest with you, you’ve tried the patience that I as a Christian must have more than possibly anyone I have ever met or talked to, and I’ve not even been the one speaking with you. Even so, I must simply try harder. I have so much to say, and my mind has been jumping a million miles a minute from one thought to the next trying to decide which to start with and reeling in disbelief from all you’ve said and the cold tone that you convey that I’m not sure my fingers can keep up (though this post is getting so long that I suspect I shall have to save some for another time).
I suppose I must start with addressing your view of my God as vengeful. God’s mind is greater than mine, so it’s hard to compare and try to explain (and please know that I speak only out of love for your soul and not out of spite). But were I in His position… If I had beaten my brains out, if I had sacrificed over and over and over to save you and show you I love you, then you repeatedly denied me and turned your back on me… Well, I’d turn my back on you, too. You were given free will and His Word. And what have you done with it? That’s not vengeance; it’s consequence of your actions. Eventually, you must cut ties with someone who even with [too] many chances refuses to accept your help, someone who hates you no matter how much you love them anyway.
Another problem I saw (and I suppose the last I will take up with you, this time at least) was the little tiff about the church-operated hospital and how “ideological stubbornness” would cause them to shut down, not abortion. Besides that I disagree that conviction of morals (ie, the refusal to take human life where they are supposed to be saving it) can be degraded as “ideological stubbornness,” are you aware that the first admendment of our Constitution reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”? I believe it would be the government crossing the line in that case. It’s unconstitutional to force that religious establishment to perform abortions “or else”, in the same way it’s unconstitutional to force a church (which also has agreements with the government, such as tax exemption status) to marry homosexuals “or else”. In addition… Having surgery. Receiving chemotherapy. Getting a shot. Even taking someone with zero change off of life support when they’ve /stated/ they wouldn’t want to stay on it. /Those/ are “medical decisions”. Taking someone’s life without giving them a say is not.
Aaaand, done for now.
Again, kudos to Mr. Graham and all of the defenders of life on this site.
(If this is posted more than once, I apologize. It doesn’t seem to be posting, so I keep trying.)
First of all, I would like to tell Mr. Graham thank you for this article. It was wonderful, beautiful, moving, and almost emotionally overwhelming. It brought tears to my eyes, and I am so proud of you as a person.
Second, someone posed a question meant to “shut up” pro-lifers: should women who have abortions go to jail? The asker had no answer, but I have mine. I do not hesitate the slightest when I give my answer of “Yes, absolutely”. I fully support any laws that lock away all responsible for a murder, including the “doctor” and assistants who performed it as well.
One thing I disagreed with in the article was the questioning of whether extreme cases warrant an abortion. I actually /agreed/ with one of the trolls on this comment board when he or she said that life is life; either taking the child’s life is okay, or it is not. You can’t pick and choose when /murder/ is alright. The fact remains that we’re talking about an innocent child here who isn’t at fault for the sins of his or her father. Punishing that child (and thereby rewarding the rapist or molester) does not make the traumatic event go away. In many cases (and I would even dare to say /most/), taking the life of the baby only intensifies the grief for the woman.
As far as the case of birth deformities/defects/conditions, I’d like to share a true story. Professor L.R. Agnew of the UCLA School of Medicine posed a set of circumstances to his students: “Here is the family history. The father has syphilis, the mother has TB. They have already had four children. The first one is blind, the second one died. The third is deaf, and the fourth has TB. The mother is now pregnant with her fifth child. The parents are willing to have an abortion if you decide they should. What do you think?” A large majority of the students said they would strongly recommend abortion. “Congratulations!” Agnew told them. “You have just murdered Beethoven!” Who knows all the brilliance that’s been slaughtered already? And who but Beethoven himself can truly decide that death is better than the quality of life he would have? Answer: no one. And I hear people talking about babies with deformities and how they would be in so much pain. It’s not as if they come out of the womb and suddenly feel everything; they do feel pain in the womb (like when they’re, say, ripped apart or burned alive in a saline solution). You’re not saving them anything or doing them any good by not giving them a chance, however small it may be.
Scientifically, biologically speaking, (as I believe someone else pointed out earlier) the child is in no way a part of the woman’s body. Unborn babies have their own set of DNA and all the growth hormones from conception they will need for the rest of their lives. They’re a whole other being, a whole other body and only draw nutrients (or toxins) from the mother by way of absorption through the placenta. So it really irritates me when [apparently ignorant] women (and on occasion, men trying to speak /for/ women) use the “It’s my body, and I’ll do what I want” argument. Well, no. No, it’s /not/ your body; it’s someone else’s.
Another arguement that irritates me is this: “If you don’t agree with abortion, don’t have one.” Ick. People expect us to sit in our corners and shut our mouths, to allow it to happen. Since when is it okay to stand by uselessly when another group of people is being slaughtered? Is that what we did when all the Jews were being killed without reason? Is that what people want to do now with all the horrible things that have been going on in Darfur? Not the last time I checked. With the insane amount of comments, I can hardly remember who’s who anymore, but someone talked about how their god was okay with his or her decision not to interfere. I’m glad that’s not my God. My God commands me to minister unto the sick, poor, hungry, homeless, those in pain. I would rather rip my own left arm off than shut my mouth when there are people with no voices who need me to speak up on their behalf. Furthermore, do not tell me it’s not my business when my hard-earned money pays for it (against my will, obviously).
(If this posts more than once, I apologize. It doesn’t seem to be posting, so I have to keep trying.)
First of all, I would like to tell Mr. Graham thank you for this article. It was wonderful, beautiful, moving, and almost emotionally overwhelming. It brought tears to my eyes, and I am so proud of you as a person.
Second, someone posed a question meant to “shut up” pro-lifers: should women who have abortions go to jail? The asker had no answer, but I have mine. I do not hesitate the slightest when I give my answer of “Yes, absolutely”. I fully support any laws that lock away all responsible for a murder, including the “doctor” and assistants who performed it as well.
One thing I disagreed with in the article was the questioning of whether extreme cases warrant an abortion. I actually /agreed/ with one of the trolls on this comment board when he or she said that life is life; either taking the child’s life is okay, or it is not. You can’t pick and choose when /murder/ is alright. The fact remains that we’re talking about an innocent child here who isn’t at fault for the sins of his or her father. Punishing that child (and thereby rewarding the rapist or molester) does not make the traumatic event go away. In many cases (and I would even dare to say /most/), taking the life of the baby only intensifies the grief for the woman.
As far as the case of birth deformities/defects/conditions, I’d like to share a true story. Professor L.R. Agnew of the UCLA School of Medicine posed a set of circumstances to his students: “Here is the family history. The father has syphilis, the mother has TB. They have already had four children. The first one is blind, the second one died. The third is deaf, and the fourth has TB. The mother is now pregnant with her fifth child. The parents are willing to have an abortion if you decide they should. What do you think?” A large majority of the students said they would strongly recommend abortion. “Congratulations!” Agnew told them. “You have just murdered Beethoven!” Who knows all the brilliance that’s been slaughtered already? And who but Beethoven himself can truly decide that death is better than the quality of life he would have? Answer: no one. And I hear people talking about babies with deformities and how they would be in so much pain. It’s not as if they come out of the womb and suddenly feel everything; they do feel pain in the womb (like when they’re, say, ripped apart or burned alive in a saline solution). You’re not saving them anything or doing them any good by not giving them a chance, however small it may be.
Mr. Graham,
I just want to tell you thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing the truth. I am one of those women who will be raising my child on my own because of circumstances. A) Because of an abusive ex. B) Becuase the only choice for me was to KEEP the baby. there was never a thought in my mind to “get rid of it.” But what always tugged at my heart was all of the other women out there who have been in my situation or worse and who made that decision to have an abortion. I know what it feels like to feel empty inside and not knowing what you are going to do tomorrow to make it through the day. I just want those women out there to know that you can do it. Look at the blessing that it could bring to you, not the problems or inconveniences because you want to start a career or have a career and don’t want it interrupted. I know there will be days that you will feel completely worthless and helpless, but please I beg you don’t let those feelings get to you. There is always tomorrow. I am extremely thankful to you for writing this especially now with the president ready to sign The Freedom of Choice Act. Most of the time we as women have a choice to say No so we don’t have to put ourselves in this position. And NO we do not have a choice to end our babies life. Your mothers chose to keep you, have a heart and do the same for your baby he/she deserves a chance at life too!
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Amen Brother. You do not stand alone. I only wish I had the eloquence to write as you have. Thank you for your Statement and Stand. There are a lot of us out there who share your experience and have grown up, and now recognize you speak the truth. But we must have the strength of charactor to stand by our convictions (learned through bitter experience) and apply it to our communities. And our representatives must also know where we stand. Mrs. Pelosi and her ilk cannot prevail
Well said. It grieves me to think how hard-hearted and self-indulgent we have become as a people.
God of all grace, change our hearts.
Gary, read your article, and it’s a real winner. Thanks for standing up for the unborn, man! And for women! Abortion doesn’t solve their problems and more often than not leaves them with a lot of depression to deal with. God bless you and ROCK ON!
Thank you!
Mr Bilfil : “Nice try. What is so “kneejerk and over the top?” You want frozen blastocysts in a petri dish to be accorded full rights of citizenship. You admit as much. “Once those eggs are fertilized they become both human and alive from a scientific standpoint.” So why is it far-fetched to conclude that you would advocate banning all procedures that result in excess blastocysts that might otherwise be destroyed? Correct me if I am wrong. You cannot tolerate the destruction of even a single blastocyst in a dish that has the potential to be a human being. Am I really wrong on your views about that point?”
Yes, you really are wrong about my views, completely. First, I never said anything about full rights of citizenship, in fact the Constitution is clear on the point that you are not considered a citizen until you are born. Nowhere did I ever suggest otherwise. Second, using words like blastocysts does not change the basic scientific fact that what we are talking about here are human beings, it is simply a weak attempt at obfuscating the truth, that we are both human and individual from the moment of conception.
You cannot state otherwise, nor could anyone, because to do so ignores biology. Unless of course you’d wish to make some sort of case that at some point during gestation we change species, which of course is ridiculous. I realize that refering to an embryo/blastocyst/fetus as a human being damages your argument greatly, however it is a scientific fact that at all stages of gestation that is preciesly what we are, from the moment of conception. To state otherwise is simply a weak attempt at disgusing the truth because the truth invokes an emotional response that pretty much destroys your entire argument, since your entire argument is all based on emotions in the first place.
Third, I’ve made no policy recommendations whatsover, merely a simple statement of facts:
1. We are human and individual from the very point of conception, this is scientific fact.
2. The moment one becomes human and an individual one is considered a person by every known definition of the word, thus it is a terrible double standard to assume that some implied right to medical privacy should overwhelm a right that is clearly stated in no uncertain terms under the 14th amendment, that no one is entitled to deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process. This is exactly what abortion does, like it or not.
3. While it is quite clever of you to try and flip the debate over to invitro fertilization, the truth is that’s not what were talking about here at all and you know it. It is simply another obfuscation on your part, because your arguments visa vie legalized abortion simply cannot withstand an honest, factual look at the scientific truths. Instead you try to demonize me and run off on some wild tangent. Nice try, no cigar.
4. Yes, if we do begin to consider embryo’s as legal persons that will undoubtedly lead to some necessary changes in the way invitro currently works, however this is by no means an insurmountable problem. At the moment no one has bothered to make much in the way of innovations to the current process because there is no monetary value to do so under our current legal system. Undoubtedly if we did start basing our laws in this arena on logic and science rather than some woolheaded, totally unscientific notion of when sentience begins they would need to change the invitro process, but again this is not insurmountable by any means.
Now, if you wish to have a serious discussion on this please prepare a bit more next time, frankly your overly emotional arguments and weak obfuscations are entirely too simple to refute.
Thank you for this!
Why does Blifil feels the need to write dozens of posts on this thread (”No, no, it’s NOT a human being, damnit! I KNOW it’s not! Just cells, that’s it!”) Is your conscience perhaps a bit uneasy on this score?
You wouldn’t be the first.
Gary – I have a genuine question that I humbly request a response to.
What if the women that you impregnated during the sex, drug and rock ‘n roll phase of your life had not sought abortions?
Would you have been able to provide basic financial, emotional, psychological and intellectual care to those children during such a phase of your life?
You mention women that you may have impregnated that may have had abortions – what if those children simply had to be raised fatherless?
(I realize I said ‘a’ question then asked 3. But they all point to one fundamental inquiry – what if you had actually fathered all of those children at that time in your life?)
Great article and comments. Some good websites: abort73.com, feministsforlife.org, and 22weeksthemovie.com. 22 Weeks is a movie based on a true story of a woman who got pregnant after a rape. People in her life pressured her to get an abortion; she was traumatized and vulnerable, and finally gave in and had an abortion at 22 weeks. I heard this woman speak on the Laura Ingraham radio show; her story is so heart-breaking. The way she was mistreated at the abortion clinic was horrible, the baby was born alive and she screamed for someone to call an ambulance, because she regretted her decision and wanted her baby to live, but no help came. Abortion is not only violence against the unborn, but violence against women. Most women do not want to abort, but are either pressured to or they feel unsupported, etc. The scars are forever. Some of the pro-choice crowd might start listening when they hear abortion is violence against women, and that almost all early American feminists were against abortion.
Violence against babies and women is damaging our whole culture.
Just an anecdote, but a friend was intensely pressured to get an abortion by her doctor, due to an early ultrasound showing anencephaly. My friend and her husband refused, switched doctors, and ended up with a healthy son (the first ultrasound was wrongly interpreted). Even if it hadn’t have been wrong, my friend wanted to deliver the baby full term, and take care of him until he would have died naturally (in the comfort of his mother’s arms, without painful procedures, etc).
JimmyBobBubba:
“Ya know us poor ol rubes we need the guidance of Plato’s chosen such as ya’self. Yep you got it we are all antisocial and psychotic. Poor Big H.”
Umm… I think the Bifster is probably more like Bluto’s chosen one rather than Plato’s.
“I do this BLIFIL because I am EVIL and PSYCHOTIC and a BAD ANTI-SOCIAL person. There is no hope for me. That’s true.”
Hey, welcome to the club! Meetings are usually on Wednesdays, we do pot luck once a month so be sure to check the sheet and see what everyone else is bringing, nothing worse that two people bringing brownies to an evil psychotic bad anti social person meeting. Be sure to arrive a bit early and bring some yarn and knitting needles for our next get together, our special guest is Martha Stuart, she’ll be showing us all how to make shiv coseys.
Lol..
Whoa. Okay, yes, definitely sorry about the double posting (triple if I count the one that [finally] posted in full).
PINANDPULLER, what is your point? She can keep her legs closed, or take the free pack of pills or condoms that they hand out to prevent the pregnancy to begin with. She CHOOSES to keep getting pregnant by the stupidity of her actions, and it is the baby that pays the price.
You can’t snuff out a little beating heart and consider yourself “spiritual.” I wonder how many of my old friends get visited by that guilt bomb in the dead of night. That nagging feeling that won’t go away.
“I tell you this, no Eternal Reward can forgive us now for WASTING the DAWN!!!”
Indeed, God have mercy on us!!!
I can’t thank you enough for bravely publishing this piece. It will take a lot of people being very brave to overcome this atrocity. Bravo!
Great article!
A note about abortions in cases of rape or incest: Imagine a doctor saying to a patient “Ma’am, your ankle is badly broken. It will heal, but you are going to experience a lot of pain during recovery. To spare you that pain, I recommend amputating your leg.”
An abortion is just as grave an assault on a woman as any rape, perhaps greater.
Whenever a pro-abortionist brings up the rape issue, one’s first appropriate response should be disgust at the use of such a cheap, emotionalist argument that exploits the plight of rape victims to justify further assaults against them.
Very well said, you are a true soldier of life. Can’t thank you enough. God bless you.
Thanks, Gary, for boldly going where no Hollywood actor has gone before. I’ve excerpted some of your points on my site.
WOW. That was powerful! It brought me to tears. Thanks for your brutal honesty. I pray that your honest assessment of the situation will change hearts and minds. THIS is the kind of “change” our country truly needs. Thank you!
Great piece, powerful piece, I have scars on my soul too. Thank you for your honesty and brilliant writing.
It’s good to see people speaking the truth when they know that they will be persecuted in some form for it. Thank you for your bravery and honesty. I appreciate it more than I can say.
My best friend was drugged and raped by 3 men one night. She had already aborted a baby previously in her life and vowed it would never happen again. She actually called out “No!” just before the procedure but they went ahead with it anyway. Lots of choice involved there, eh?
This time around, EVERYONE, doctors, nurses, family “friends” all encouraged her to abort. At 20 weeks the doctors told her she could still do it but she’d have to go to a larger city and it would be “a two day procedure”. Those words made up her mind for her. She couldn’t imagine the carnage.
We can overturn Roe v. Wade in a generation or two this way. The truth will prevail. It always does.
Today she has a 4 year old little boy named Daniel. Her life is a miracle and I am so proud to be her friend.
I also aborted a child in 1986 and nearly drank myself to death with guilt. Only a few years ago was I able to forgive myself- with the supernatural help of God. Forgiving oneself of murder requires supernatural help.
I believe that if more people saw pictures of aborted children, if we REFUSE to use these terms like “choice” and make people ARTICULATE WHAT IT IS THEY ARE CHOOSING, I believe that with compassion and reaching out our hands to women in crisis pregnancies, we can make a difference. And I love what a Catholic friend of mine half-jokingly advocates- outbreed ‘em.
My wonderful grandchild resulted from my daughters rape. I thank God this precious child did not have to pay for this crime with his life. I have adopted him and he is a great joy to me. God bless, keep speaking the truth in love. God Bless.
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Gary,
You’re post is the most brilliantly written piece I’ve read on the subject of abortion. Thank you for your willingness to be so transparent with your own life story. I believe your message will be used in a powerful way.
Thank you.
As to the issue of condom use, we know that condoms FAIL to do what they are supposed to do about 30% of the time, whether because of MISUSE or because of faulty materials or whatever, 30 out of 100 times, it doesn’t do what it’s designed to do. As Rush Limbaugh used to say, “Would you put your kids on a plane to California to visit relatives if you KNEW that 30 flights out of 100 would crash into the Grand Canyon?” With STDs rampant–especially with AIDS around–using a condom is like playing Russian Roulette.
Therefore, it’s IMPERATIVE that we teach our kids that abstinence works 100% of the time. It NEVER fails and permits an unwanted pregnancy or gives you an STD.
Thank you.
Gary, I salute you. May the abortion holocaust end.
Bravo!! We need more who share your sentiment to speak up.
Gary,
Thank you.
If no one ever takes a stand against something, then we are all sitting FOR it. Thank you for standing up and telling the truth. The Love Generation has killed more humans, than all wars in humanity put together.
History will see it as the Generation of Death. Its time to end this epoch.
Sincerely,
Dianna
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This is the great cause of our time. This is everything that the fight against slavery was in its day, and more. This fight isn’t just for freedom, it’s for life.
Thank you for your witness. God bless you.
I am grateful that you have the courage to speak your mind and patience to listen to mine. If abortion is murder and condemnable based on Christian teachings, which tells us that all sins are equal, then any individual committing sin of any type is condemnable which includes me and each one of you. Before you judge so harshly, see your sins. Morality and life is a struggle and condemning people by depriving them of choices is dangerous and breeds rash decisions. God gave each one of us free will to chose and hopefully to chose correctly. The law is there for protection. The two should not dance too closely. Options. This is why the puritans came to America. Options. That is why Christians believe Jesus has come and why Jews believe he is yet to come. Differences and options are what make us the USA.
Very well said. Thank you.
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Thank you so much for writing this!! I regret the abortion I had 18 years ago. It did not HELP me, it did not let me “get on with my life.” Abortion hurts us all. I often wonder what my 18 year old would be like today??
God bless you!!
Tell it like it is. Abortion is murder, and eventually the entire country will realize it.
Thank you for that beautiful article.
For victims of rape/incest, I recently heard a very complelling argument. If the rapist is caught and convicted, does he get the death penalty? Why should the baby then receive the death penalty?
Something to think about.
God Bless.
Imagine how much this horrible act could be turned around if more famous people like actors, musicians, entertainers, sports heroes, politicians, college professors, teachers, news media personalities, writers and religious leaders would have the guts to use their scope of influence to speak out with the truth…devoid of political correctness. How refreshing would that be?
Larry
http://www.tooterbabies.com/babybirthday.php
Thank you Gary!
Gary, you said college girls laughed about going to their doctor under the guise of getting an abortion because of danger to her life and that they laughed because it was a joke. Well, a greater joke is that this whole “privacy between a woman and her doctor” itself is a joke.
I made an appointment with Planned Parenthood 20 years ago — with the receptionist. I never saw a doctor. The person who performed the abortion may have been one; I don’t know. He never spoke to me.
A woman never forgets this crime she allowed to be committed against her child and quite frankly, against her as well. I haven’t. But by the grace of God, I’m now on the right side of this issue.
Thank you for your courage in speaking out.
Dear Gary, Thank YOU very much! There are people who want these little ones (babies). There are so many options. These babies could grow up to be the next president, the next Pope. a genious, an inventor, the right person to help make the world a better place – peaceful, you get the idea! Pray for them and those involved. We must help all who are hurting from the abortions. Thanks again!!
Bear in mind, I’m not being mean, just honest and blunt.
I don’t care what women may say about pro-choice. Abortion is indeed murder. to be a pro-abortion advocate is to hate your children without exception.
Actually a woman had all ready become cold and egocentric. Children are no more than garbage in the eyes women.
They all ready forfeit the right to be called women. But they’re feminists and beasts of the earth.
They lost the touch of the mother. More on self pity rather than compassion.
They weep for a rat or a mouse that was caught in a mouse trap.
Well said, thank you!
“Good News”…Courageous, extremely COURAGEOUS!!! Keep up the good works and Miracles of God…the gift of Life.
Thank you for sharing, Mr. Graham. I too learned a huge lesson.
May God bless you always, and your new gift, baby in the family.
Gilene
I can hear men weeping all over the nation–finally knowing they aren’t alone in their grief. Thank you Gary for your boldness to speak the truth!
God has begun to turn your past sins for goodness and his glory; as he did with Joseph’ brothers sin. God is giving you strength by the day… strength to speak to this truth while you are yet in the midst of the arena in which you established your name. Use this strength; speak the truth that is in your heart… you know this tragedy from a personal level.
You should also recognize that if you have turned from sin, and the spirit is guiding you forward… understand that Jesus has taken your burden, he’s paid the price, you are redeemed and born anew in him. You are forgiven!
We are all behind you… and you are in our prayers!
Thank You
Thank you, Mr Graham, for having the courage to speak out; for having the courage to tell us frankly that your position has changed and why. You’ve probably caught a lot of flak from friends and acquaintances for not toeing the “party line”; just know that there are thousands of us out here in “flyover zone” that believe as you do and support your effort to speak for those who cannot speak.
Hi, Gary!
look, how much guys are standing on your side!
me too, of course! ^^ thanks for having courage to be an “alien” nowadays! today, the world needs people like you, especially when they are well-known in pop-culture; maybe it will be a start of new pro-life movements in Hollywood?…
I am glad someone in Hollywood is willing to stand up for the truth. I wish more would recognize Truth, and I wish those who do would have the backbone and stand up for and defend the Truth. Mr. Graham, I would shake your hand and buy you a drink were I there.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Men need to speak about their experiences so other men know it is ok to talk about their’s too. There have been two conference on men dealing with abortion..this web site is an outcome of that. Hope it can help some people. The conference was called “Reclaiming Fatherhood”. There was good coverage in the LA TIMES, THE NATION, Chicago TRIBUNE religion blog site and US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT health blog. Thanks for your courage!
You have said it all. Amen
Abortion is government sanctioned murder to solve personal problems.At sometime in the future people will look back with incredulity and revulsion at this period in Man’s history much like WE look back at the holocaust.How could people have done that?How did people allow that to happen?Abortionists,Planned Parenthood and abortion supporters will be considered the equivalent of Nazis and the Nazi Party and will be reviled.The only difference will be that NO-ONE will be able to say,”but,I didn’t know”
An organization called Project Rachel was started in the mid-west by Catholic women and has spread to many parts of the United States. They help women, and men, heal after abortion. As I understand it, you don’t have to be Catholic to go to a Project Rachel gathering and it has helped many people. Google them or call a local Catholic Church for info. God bless.
Dear Gary:
Thank you for speaking out. Now, I wonder if President Barack Obama saw the recent video that never made it to the Superbowl Game on http://www.catholicvote.org! If he witnessed that video and would read your article, the Holy Spirit would convert him too!
Because of your vocation…YOU can make a difference. Please continue to be a spokesman for our future.
Thank you, Gary & God bless.
Thank you. I have printed your article for my teens to read. Thanks for good example.
Thank you. As the president of a local pro-life group, I’m going to make sure your words are read by as many people as possible. Your honesty and clear-headed logic are a breathtaking combination.
There is a group called the Silent No More Awareness Campaign, composed of people who have either had abortions or been a participant, who have decided that they are no longer going to be quiet and let other people walk blindly into the same trap. If your heart leads you in that direction, I suspect they would like to hear from you.
I am fortunate enough to know of abortion only second-hand. My understanding and appreciation of the value of life is enhanced every time someone like you offers his or her personal insights. You’ll never know how many lives this one blog entry has saved. Bless you for sharing.
Mr Blifil – January 29th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
MARY – January 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Most abortions are performed for merely selfish reason. We have set ourselves up as pagan gods and now sacrifice our children for our own pleasure, desires, wishes or ambitions. We will also be held accountable for these souls.
Great we’ll put you down as supporting aggressive contraception education programs, since contraception is the only statistically proven method to result in fewer abortions, which you so detest and deride.
WRONG: Debunking Birth Control Myths – Episode 37 Excerpt – Life Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuvaRx-q0V4
This youtube video shows 4 week embryo and its heart beat plus more:
Pro-Life DVD – Eyewitness to the Earliest Days of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8457IY1fE
SCIENCE SHEDS LIGHT ON UNBORN HUMAN LIFE http://www.sfuhl.org/document/unbornlifereport011302.doc
Looks like someone has monkeyed with my first post on this subject. The one I found reads:
“…Mr. Blifil, as usual, begs the question. There is NO LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT that conception creates a unique human life.”
It should have read. “There is NO LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT that conception does NOT create a unique human life.”
I had this happen to me once before on another forum. Someone hacked their way in and changed one of my posts to read as if I were actually supporting the moron currently occupying the White House.
Thank you so much for speaking the truth here. We are NOT ok with this. My maternal grandparents are both the result of rape/incest cases… but their mothers chose life and lo and behold, my mother was the child of these two “unwanted pregnancies.” My grandfather and grandmother had not done anything wrong. It was not their fault that these men should so brutally mistreat their daughters (or step-daughters.) And my grandparents are beautiful people, happy to be alive, happy to have had children, grandchildren, and now great-grandchildren. The protection their mothers afforded them, despite hardship, suffering (including being kicked out of the house), etc., literally means a world of difference for their (currently) 18 descendants, who thank God that they are alive. You could not look at my precious grandparents and think, these people should have been murdered as helpless, innocent infants because they were an inconvenience to their mothers… could you???
Thanks for speaking the truth. There is no line to be drawn… abortion is murder. Period.
The defining moment of my college career came one afternoon while participating in a discussion with my fellow drama classmates. They all were going on and on how abortion was great, “especially if the mother was poor. What kind of life would that kid lead? Better just not to have it.”
I finished the program and have a BA in theater, but I don’t work in the profession. The hollywood elite make me want to vomit.
The opposite of peanut butter is jelly, the opposite of salt is pepper, the opposite of black is white, the opposite of life is….you got it- DEATH- not choice. A person is not “pro-choice” but “PRO-DEATH” Thank you for putting it so bluntly and truthfully- NOW SPREAD THE WORD!
Mother Teresa said, ” A country that murders their children has no future.”
Thank you for standing up for the truth and for those who cannot stand up for themselves.
Gary- This world needs more people like you to spread the word about the evils of abortion. As an actor, your opinion and words are heard by a large audience and so many young, impressionable people will be influenced by what you say. I only wish that more celebs would have the courage and moral ground to speak out on what is the most intrinsically evil act that a human can commit- the murder of their own innocent flesh and blood. God bless you, and bless this country, which has been so fooled by the evil one.
Please keep up the good work- you are not alone, and I will keep you in my prayers!
Gary, God Bless you for speaking out for the little ones! I admire and respect you for being outspoken for LIFE. Gary, Pope John Paul II said “A nation that kills it’s children is a nation without hope”.
Thank you for your brave stand., just think of the hearts you may have touched and minds you may have changed.
Peace be with You….
I totally agree with this statement previously written:
(“The woman’s right to choose what will or will not happen to her body is obviously violated by rape or incest. When conception results in such a case, the woman has the moral as well as the legal right to an abortion because the condition of pregnancy is the result of someone else’s irresponsibility, not hers. She does not have to take responsibility for it. To force her by law to carry the fetus to term would be a further violation of her right. She also has the right to refuse an abortion. This would give her the right to the fetus and also the responsibility for it. She could later relinquish this right and this responsibility through the process of placing the baby for adoption after it is born. Whichever way is a responsible choice.”
He also states that, “But even these exceptions do not justify abortion automatically. Because abortion is a most serious matter, we are counseled that it should be considered only after the persons responsible have consulted with their bishops and received divine confirmation through prayer.”)
I also believe if the baby is at great risk of deformities or life threatening health issues where the baby will suffer as well if having the baby will put the mother in grave danger then the woman should have the right to choose.
In any other situation I fully agree “abortion is murder”…
It is a void that will sit in your soul for the rest of your life.
“LISAANN – January 28th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Can the author supply figures as to how many partial birth abortions occur? It seems like people trot this out all the time yet it DOES NOT happen ‘all the time’ and certainly not with the impunity implied by the author. Facts please, facts.”
Lisaann….There are no laws that require any abortionist to record or report numbers of or reasons for abortions. We have NO idea who is getting abortions, how many, nor the reasons why. I think if these facts were actually reported, Americans would have a much clearer understanding of exactly what is going on in PP et al.
Great article, Gary!
One positive thing to note here is that since pro-choicers won’t have many children (if they’d have any at all), they’ll someday become the minority. We, pro-lifers, will have greater posterity and someday drown out the people who chose to kill their descendants. What we have to make sure of is that our own children will not be contaminated by this idea of murder by choice. We must educate them to value life, even as they’re growing up.
Another note to the U.S. (I’m not American): the world looks up to you. But someday, we will be a lot more than you are, since your own government has conveniently legislated a mass-murder of your citizens. Your government is funding many population control programs around the world so that the rest of us wouldn’t outgrow you, but demography in your own territory shows that it isn’t working as well as was hoped. We’re waiting for you to persuade your president to change his mind. He could go down in history as the mass-murdering bureaucrat for all he cared, but the physical and ideological consequences of such egoistic and short-term thinking can reduce the American population significantly, and even wipe the Americans off the face of the earth.
Those who choose themselves will die someday. Those who love life will continue to live, even after they’ve died themselves.
God bless you and Thank you to a voice in Hollywood. I pray that other stars will be encouraged by you to speak up for the preborn.
Our willingness to tolerate such a holocaust says volumes of how our entire culture has been coarsened.
Alternatively, perhaps it says volumes about how this is not, in fact, a ‘holocaust’.
Gary,
Thank you for this frank and truthful testimony. I shared in an abortion back in the mid 70’s and lived to regret it. I mean, I was raised by great Catholic parents, and just threw it away for convenience. I gave me little girl a name. Lucia-Agnes. They are two of the earliest Martyres in the Catholic Church. She was a Holy Innocent, and her dad played Herod. I woke up around 1985 when Regan was giving a speech, and it hit me like a ton of bricks. My God, what have I done? I remember his sincerety as he prayed on TV. If it were not for him praying and me tuning in at that moment I might never have turned back to God and asked forgiveness. I didn’t evben vote for the guy, but I never forgot him for that. I came back to the Faith like the alcoholic who quits drinking and tries to make everone else quit. I mean I really pissed people off. Looking back, I am glad I did because this single issue is the defining moment is American history. Abortion will go down as the most humiliating, degrading and sick epetath this country will ever have, and there is no escape unless we turn around and say “My God, please forgive me.” To all the politicians who think the answers are above their “Pay Grade”, and other pro abortion supporters out there, I have a question. At what point is this piece of tissue from the moment of the body and soul are formed, does it become a horse or a rat, or chicken of even a monkey? You see, they don”t have an answer other than to dehumanize the baby by calling it a fetus, mass of tissue, or some other non-human name. That wasy they can justify murder. If it is not human yet, then it is not murder. The only thing above the afore mentioned gentleman’s “pay grade” is his ability to reason like a human being. The de-humanization of whole peoples wer done in the past three centuries to justify slavery, and the Jewish holocaust. We are human beings, created in the image and likeness of GOD. To murder an innocent baby or another innocent human life is like trying to murder GOD Himself. It only remains for the West to die out and be replaced by races of people who fear GOD more than we do and it’s happening before our very eyes. Let those who have eyes see, and those who have ears hear. If they would only turn back to our Creator and say “Dear God, please forgive me.” But it appears that we will be taken down with the Titanic. Christ save us!
Mark Andreas
President, St. Joseph’s Center for the Domestic Church
Excellent post! Regarding the incest issue, abortion actually serves the perpetrator’s “needs” more than the victim’s needs. It is often the father/uncle/stepfather who typically insists on the abortion, many times against the young woman’s wishes. I’ve read more than once of sisters who’ve been impregnanted numerous times only to finally be freed of the tyranny when they are able to bring one of their babies to term and through DNA testing prove the abuse they’ve been sustaining.
There is a lot of talk about a ‘holocaust’ against the unborn. I am going to have ‘courage and guts’ in the context of this forum and posit that this is a load of b.s. that most here don’t really believe. Or, if they do, are mostly cowards. Think about it – to do in this society at this time for ‘abortion holocaust’ victims what Oskar Schindler did for Nazi holocaust victims would require orders of magnitude less courage than Schindler possessed.
Schindler and other Germans, Poles, Czechs etc. who took in Jews were hung if it was discovered. A modern American taking in a pregnant woman or adopting is praised and supported by multitudes. So what’s YOUR excuse for not doing what thousands of Schindlers did during their holocaust despite the prospect of death if found out, when there would be NO PUNISHMENT, only praise, for you if you did the same?
I’ll add my sincere thanks to you, Gary. You have been blessed by God to stand up and speak out…continue this fight…Do Not Be Afraid.
As far as politics go…I saw it said, and I concur that Abortion is a Sacrament of the Democratic party…anyone speaking out against their sacrament…excommunicated…but they have their wish, Obama is keeping their sacrament sacred…and at the cost of millions of people…truly sickening!
@D.ARISTOPHANES
I can appreciate the thought, but unfortunately even if it were a valid comparison, it’s just not true.
It’s invalid for the reason that Schindler and other Nazi resistors were taking in people who came to them for help. Now granted, to a certain extent they really did put there necks on the line and were risking there lives by doing so in a way most of us will never be able to comprehend, but these were people right under there noses. Kinda hard not to see without being willfully blind. (And to be sure, many were.)
It’s not true for the simple reason that there ARE no orphanages or starving street urchins or Dickensian starving pregnant women walking the streets. Thousands of American couples go outside the US to adopt children every year because they can’t adopt here. And for those who are desperate to help women with unplanned pregnancies, most cities have erected bubble laws to prevent anyone from getting near them to even offer the help these women so need.
What, exactly, would you suggest we do? None of us here, prolife or even prochoice, I suspect, would turn away a pregnant mother who was in need of help, but they don’t exactly walk around wearing signs. Most of us give to crisis pregancy centers all that we can. Many of us spend weekends outside abortion clinics trying to offer whatever assistence we can to those women willing to accept, and trying desperately to convince the others that there is love enough in this world for both them AND their child. Or are you suggesting a return to the sensationalistic bad-old-days of abortionist shootings? How are YOU working to help women who want to keep their babies but feel like they can’t?
In short, your arguments, sir, are either ill-considered or a sham.
Thank you, Mr. Graham, for speaking the truth–and don’t worry about the naysayers in the audience.
Bob Brandorff wrote:
“Choice. America was founded on it…. Don’t like abortion? You have a choice to not have one, you have no right to take that choice from anybody else, after all, we’re “free” right?”
Shoddy reasoning. Does a parent have the “choice” to abuse his 10-year-old? Does a man have the “choice” to rape a woman? Do I have the “choice” to drive on the wrong side of the road? Of course not.
There are all sorts of choices we are not free to make, because our laws prohibit them. Our laws prohibit that which we the people believe to be *wrong*. Abortion is wrong–why? Because it involves violence and death to another human being–and the most innocent and vulnerable among us.
As a mother who has a beautiful child living with trisomy 13, I thank you for your comments. Infantcide is becoming all to normal in our society. Mom to Natalia
Well said. God Bless you.
Thank you for your beautiful words and for taking a stand against this holocaust. Thank you for having the courage to bluntly state the truth – that so many pro-choice people don’t want to hear or even think about. I wish more pro-choicers would take the opportunity to read your truthful insights. Thank you again and keep up the great work!!
Thank you Graham for telling the truth. You are fearfully and wonderfully made.
Hey Gary, THANK YOU so much for sharing the TRUTH on abortion! Although I wanted to get married and have children…I was pressured to abort first by my Mom, then by boyfriends. The doctor lied and said, “It’s just a clump of tissue” I was about 9 weeks pregnant that time. I thought that if it was okay with the doctor, government, Mom that it must be okay…it was NOT.
I got an infection, damaged cervix, badly scarred uterus and was only able to have one born child a son! I LOVE being a MOM! My girls are in heaven…For years I suffered with the deep sorrow, guilt, depression, low self esteem and pain that I had my own children sacrificed on the altars of baal. For over 20 years now God has been catapulting me to nations to share my testimony on the pain of abortion and declare the humanity of my unborn children. Abortion is not a black and white issue…it is blood red! We want to minister to hurting women and men after abortion and warn women of the dangers and evil of abortion, the greatest crime against humanity in our generation.
God bless you…and hey please write I have a vision to make a MOVIE!
Based on my book Forgiven of murder…a true story.
Twenty-seven years ago, when I was carrying our first child, I became involved in the pro-life movement in Canada. Sadly, since 1989, our nation does not have a law against abortion. There is hope, though, because more and more the truth is being unveiled to those who would open their eyes and see. I am thankful that there are more and more people, in particular in my children’s generation and younger and even among many politicians in our country, who are realizing that they need to speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves. In our politically correct world, there is still hope when we are not intimidated (like I was in the past) by those who presume to know more than we do. Thank you, Mr. Graham, for presenting the case for life in a powerful and compassionate manner. It is my sincere prayer that your testimony will empower many others to be a voice for the unborn.
Excellent article. Gary, this was your best writing yet. Keep spreading the word…
You’re not allowed to use any of my organs to survive without my permission, neither is a developing fetus.
AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CRADLE CATHOLIC I SAY GOD BLESS YOU
A LINE FROM RUYARD KIPLING’S “IF”….IF YOU CAN KEEP YOUR HEAD WHILE THOSE ABOUT YOU ARE LOSING THEIRS……
DON’T LOSE HEART EVER–TRUTH IS ON YOUR SIDE
PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR NEW PRESIDENT TO CHANGE HIS HEART
AGAIN, GOD BLESS YOU AND THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!
Bravo Sir! Bravo!
Straight-up, as good as the pro-life commercial that used the example of the unborn child becoming our first African-American President.
I was a rape victim in 1975. At the encouragement of all others, I had an abortion. To this day, I regret that decision, as I am now in my 50s with no children. Abortion, is abortion, is abortion. Any woman in her right mind, whether raped or not, would never have an abortion. I bless you Gary Graham for telling the truth about the horrors of abortion and I pray that God will use you big time and bless you big time. I pray that your president Obama wakes up to the truth of abortion, because his reasons for condoning abortion, when he was on Pastor Rick Warren’s site a few months back, made absolutely no sense to someone who’s been there and done that. As a Canadian and a prayer intercessor, I been told that if American wants God to continue the blessings on her as a nation, Christians will need to really pray that your president wakes up, because as a leader goes, most times so does the nation. I pray a spiritual awakening to your leader and that somehow, Obama will read this article for himself and be quickened with convition. We Canadians are praying for your nation. God bless America!
Gary, much respect to you regarding the male perspective. It’s what most other women’s wish her male counterpart would have acknowledged in their situation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Gary, I admire your courage in telling the truth——and judging by the number of comments, so do hundreds (if not thousands) of others. I would much rather see my/our tax dollars at work by 1. Supporting mothers who have chosen life (through centers that help pregnant women), and 2. Supporting parents who choose to adopt by lowering the cost of adoption. I know couples who have not been blessed with children and long to adopt children, but cannot because of the prohibitive cost.
Thank you, God Bless You, and keep it up!
In the extreme cases of incest…rape…severe birth defects. Hey, I don’t know. I don’t have all the answers. That’s a tough one. But there has got to be a better way than abortion. Adoption comes to mind. With all the thousands of couples out there unable to make a baby…doesn’t it seem the right thing to do…to give birth and give the unwanted baby up for adoption into a loving family?
Just a thought.
So true. Thank you for writing this. There are many of us alive today because our birth mothers made inconvenient choices, and demonstrated incredible selflessness. My birth mom gave me up for adoption. She chose life, despite the fact that she had been gang raped. There is ALWAYS a better solution than abortion.
I’m hip.
The body count for every abortion is one dead, two wounded.
Well said, bro.
“One word-poverty. If you people spend a quarter of the effort that you use to fight against abortion to fight against poverty, we’d probably reduce abortion by half.”
Anonymous, that’s crap! Many of the African-American women I know who are definitely not poor have several children from several different fathers, never married one of them. It is not as simple an answer as “poverty”.
Gary,
Thank you for telling us your thoughts on life/abortion/adoption.
May God bless you for your words. St. Paul killed Christians before he had his epiphany, and he became one of the pillars of Christ’s Church on earth. I am not saying you are a pillar of Christ’s Church, but your experience (having paid for three and perhaps responsible for more) may be what was needed to make you a voice for a greater good… to put an end or severly restrict abortion.
I am in agreement with you, and respect you for making your beliefs public.
God bless you.
Lazarus
Gary- since you have been on both sides of the issue, your comments are all the more powerful. Keep up the good work of lighting the way for those in the dark about the most vulnerable of humanity. God bless you for your testimony.
Very nice!!! Now remember…this can’t be a one-time thing. This now has to be a battle you engage in every single day. And bring others to the battle with you. This is how we will convert the culture of death we live in into a culture of life.
Should Our Lord Jesus Christ Delay His Return
May He Bless You!!!
Mike.
Gary,
Here’s a little pro-life tidbit for you. “Fetus” is latin for “little one.”
So when they say “it’s just a fetus” you can set them straight on what fetus really means.
[...] Via Mommy Life, actor Gary Graham has finally admitted to himself that abortion is murder, and he’s speaking out against it and against the culture that spawns it. He uses some language that I don’t usually allow [...]
Please consider in all this that the term “murder” is unnecessarily incendiary and the common english usage “killing with malice aforethought” does not apply in most situations which result in abortion.
We all hate it when someone claims to know our hearts…yet we do it so easily to others. A young woman who finds herself pregnant but doesn’t have the support of her boyfriend, husband or parents is in a terrible situation. And with 36 years of “your body, your choice” crap stuffed down her throat…well, it’s unlikely that the interests of the unborn child will get a fair hearing in the court of her internal dialogue.
These are complicated issues…and the first thing that needs addressed is the way men treat women in our society (something Gary owned up to for himself…but has gotten even worse and more callous in recent years in our culture), followed by the CONSTANT selling of sex everywhere we turn…but, yes…this life issue needs to be yanked back off the pile of “issues enlightened people don’t discuss simply because they are already settled fact”.
Compassion is needed for the women who are going through these difficult situations…but someone must also speak up for those little lives inside her womb who so desperately want to become members of our species, and to eventually be able to speak for themselves.
We’re SO callous in rating life as “worth it” or “not worth it” based on our preconceptions. Is a guy or a girl hot or not (because, clearly, only the hottest matter)? Does Nancy Pelosi deserve my respect as a elected political leader, or is she not worth using like a curb to scrape the gum off my shoe? How do we value the life of Stephen Hawking? Is his life worth living? What about someone who grows old and infirmed? Do we “put them out of their misery” for our own convenience…or with the justification that “no one should have to suffer like that”?
Life matters. But life matters when it’s a pregnant teen girl with no support system. HER life matters, just like the BABY’s life matters. It’s time to show respect for both.
I don’t know what role the law can or should play in this issue. No matter what, it’s MOSTLY going to be a matter of the heart. You can’t badger a woman into making the right decision. We’ve seen that in 30 years of the pro-life movement…screaming at women walking into clinics, dragging out fetuses and pictures to shove in their faces, calling the abortion “a holocaust”. It ISN’T working.
We can start, however, by elevating our respect for each other as people, instead of treating others like pieces of tissue paper that we use and dispose of. And that should apply even within the context of an anonymous discussion thread. Feel free to disagree…but making this personal…or allowing it to become personal….serves no one. There’s a lot of anger out there. Go do some pushups instead of using yours to beat someone over the head.
Instead, understand that life is tough. It’s tough for all of us. Stop pretending that you know it all. Open your hearts to people in need. Advocate for the life inside a woman, but do it with gentleness. She knows biologically and intuitively…but she’s getting terribly mixed messages from the women’s movement. Volunteer to help where you can. And, most importantly, if you believe in God, PRAY for her and her baby.
Polarization and rancor will not solve this problem. It’s time for a new angle.
Gary, Thank you for your courage and honesty knowing the hatred you will incur. You are an inspiration.
I agree with Chuck, that the best way to change hearts is to “advocate for the life inside a woman, but do it with gentleness.” Most young women facing an unwanted pregnancy feel trapped, like Gary’s victims probably did; put in a lose/lose situation. Speaking the truth in love and with respect for the pregnant girl/woman is the only way as we teach the young about the sanctity of life in the womb.
But I also believe there is a place for righteous indignation over the horrors of abortion. I would think that both approaches can contribute to a change of heart, depending on the audience. Gary’s piece, even with the polarizing use of the word murder is a powerful voice for the unborn for those who need to hear the truth in the rawest of terms.
I am a conservative Australian newspaper columnist,who is usd to arguning against abortion in oblique and gental terms, since I have met so many women in this age of choice , who came out of abortion clinics saying they ‘had no choice’. My reaction to this blog is America, do not despair about Nancy Pelosi and president Obama! The ordinary men and women of Amercia can see the truth of the pro life position and you are fortunate that at least abortion is a really passionately argued issue in the US, with courageous posts like this.Unlike in Australia and many other countries it has not been swept under the carpet of the nice ‘middle of the road consesnsus’. Our senses, our technology , everything tells us that an abortion is the killing of an innocent human being- but only in America can an articulate pro life advocate like Gary really express the tumult of that terrible tragedy.
[...] Gary has posted a painfully honest, brilliant, in-your-face piece about the personal cost of abortion, his redemption, and blunt feelings about what abortion [...]
Thank you for saying this.
Dear Mr. Graham,
Congratulations to you sir! It takes integrity to stand up for the truth, and that truth is: abortion kills a human being!
Those who support abortion lie to themselves because lying is easier than the truth!
Just look at all of the “excuses” people use to “justify” killing their own children, instead of finding “reasons” of how they can “love” their children.
Everyone gets only ONE CHANCE AT LIFE and abortion denies someone of their ONE CHANCE AT LIFE!
Choose LIFE! Not death!
Wow. Thank you so much. You are a brave and noble man, and I commend you!! Praying God will give you strength to face whatever comes next!
Catherine
You’re not a hypocrite. I would never presume to judge you after what you’ve been through. No one deserves that.
More than three days ago, “Poppy” commented above, stating, inter alia,
SOME early abortion-rights advocates had racist and eugenicist motives and aims which can only be characterized as evil.
In the present day, the rates of unintended pregnancy and abortion in different ethnic and religious groups are positively correlated with poverty. The poorer the woman, the likelier the unintended pregnancy or abortion. Unintended pregnancy and abortion are negatively correlated with education and matrimony. The more well educated a woman is, and the better married she is, the less likely it is she will have an unintended pregancy or abortion.
As regards the third world, it’s a safe bet that most of the women who are poor and poorly-educated live in the third world, moreover, with less access to contraception, these women are likelier to have unintended pregancies. If the reader accepts Poppy’s assertion that 83% of abortions occur in third world countries, it’s also a safe bet that ≥ 83% of unintended pregnancies occur in this vulnerable population of impoverished and little-educated women.
In the U.S.A., a racist conspiracy isn’t responsible for the comparatively high abortion rate among minority women, it’s the combination of relative poverty, coupled with what the late, great Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan termed “Defining Deviancy Down”. Heterosexual people who have sex without contraception are, unsurprisingly, likely to conceive unintended pregnancies. In Hogarthian language, wanton promiscuity, fornication, and adultery may have undesirable consequences for those who indulge in such carnality.
Given the prevalence of unintended pregnancy and abortion in the U.S.A. legislative bans which cannot be circumvented by travel or migration are not feasible. It would be wiser to work much harder to prevent unintended pregnancies to begin with and encourage and support healthy pregnancy and adoption programs. Work the demand side of the problem, people. Supply-side solutions are costly, ineffective, and have unintended consequences – see prohibition, the war on drugs, music and movie piracy, et cetera.
Here are some recent demographic data noting such factors as poverty, ethnicity, age, and confessional identification.
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States
Catherine — My heart goes out to you for what you have endured. No one should ever have to go through that. I will pray for you that God heals your heart.
And THANK YOU all. As much as you may have been edified or inspired by my words…I have likewise been inspired by your comments, ten times over.
God bless you all.
Thank you for your honesty. That takes guts. Thank you too for taking an unpopular stand for what is right.
Great job Graham. Keep speaking out on this. At some point the phrase saying I’m Pro-Life will speak virtues to everyone. Look at us, how can we not be Pro-Life unless we are so self centered.
Thanks Gary. I agree 100%. To end abortion you need to stop having sex without responsibility. In other words, sex = baby. If you don’t want babies don’t have sex. If you have get pregnant then you wanted the baby, end of discussion. Keep up the good work and stay the course, we need more like you. God Bless!
Great article! It’s nice to hear someone using sound logic when discussing abortion.
You mentioned “That inconvenient fetus can be surgically ripped from its uterine moorings, ground up and tossed into the trash like so much garbage.” The truth of the matter is much more horrifying than that. Check out how many popular vaccines are produced… go to gsk.com and look at their hepatitis vaccine… they use “human MRC-5 diploid cell cultures” to strain the virus through to dilute it. Human MRC-5 diploid cells are cultured from a fetal cell line. THEY USE GROUND UP ABORTED BABIES TO MAKE VACCINES.
And we inject them into our arms.
Kayla Parker, your argument is horrifying. With that logic, why don’t we go into slums and start shooting children in the head to save them from poverty.
And right after you say that a child is not a dog or cat, you speak about children as if they are an inconvenient material possession: “They are expensive, needy and for at least the first five years after child birth nothing is about you anymore, all decisions made revolve around the child and what is best for them.” God forbid that you might actually have to think about another human being besides yourself. Killing children in the name of narcissism. Despicable.
@Jeff
Here’s what I see when I read Kayla’s post.
Me! Me me mememememememememememe! Don’t call it a baby! It’s fetus dammit!((stamps foot)) Me me me me me me…. Stretch marks! (((screech)) Kill it! Me me me me me me….La la la la….Me me me me me….My body! Mine! I can do whatever I want because I want to! You’re a meanie if you don’t let me do what I want! Me me me me me me…..
I want to utterly reject the entire idea that the Pro Life movement is hypocritical. Being concerned about the well-being of a completely helpless baby in the womb having the right to live is not contradicted at all by the belief that we ought to defend ourselves from people who desire to kill us. These are both equivalent. We would defend our country from people who are attempting to do the same to thousands of us (and have successfully done so already) as the abortion provider would do to the helpless child. For me, the abortion provider is a terrorist of the first order.
Also, I reject the argument without question of the pro death movement that since large numbers of us pro lifers have issues with contraception (I am not necessarily included among them – especially when the user is married), that we are effectively invalidating our argument when we do not provide an alternative. Well, of course we do! Stop having sex. SIMPLE. If you do not want a baby and especially if you are not married to your partner, stop having sex.
You got guts, man, to say what many won’t say. Time to stop looking at your shoes or ceiling for the answers. Abortion is wrong–you know it deep down inside. Even science tells us everything needed for self-generation is there from conception. And the Supreme Court Justices were cowards as well–”in the prenumbria of the constitution.” I don’t think I have a right to privacy if I beat my wife, why should abortion–murder of an innocent that doesn’t get a vote–be somehow ok?
@notimportant
abortion is not murder. This IS NOT a baby.
–I’m sure you’re probably just trolling…but really. Since you can state for absolute fact that abortion isn’t murder and that it’s not a baby, then you must have proof. Please, enlighten us as to the absolute scientific proof of when life begins.
Just because you want something to be true doesn’t mean it is. You have no evidence that it isn’t murder and saying otherwise makes YOU the idiot.
Gary, that took a ton of courage! You just gained my respect. Thanks for showing that men have a moral backbone too when it comes to responsibility. Unfortunately you don’t see that much anymore. God bless.
Kayla Parker-I understand the argument to give the baby up for adoption but giving birth and just carrying the baby for nine months (Technically it’s ten….) puts a strain on the body and does irreversible damage to the body.
And how many kids have YOU had? It does irreversible damage to the body? I’ve had FOUR kids and my body is actually healthier than when I was in my 20s. Giving birth does NOT have to do permanent damage to the body. In fact on the average it does NOT. Get your facts straight before you post.
You also said:
What if the person decides that they cannot stand the thought of not being able to raise their child but has no money to give the child a proper quality of life? Are you going to condemn the child to a life living on the streets, and what kind of a life is that?
If a person cannot stand the thought of someone else raising their child then maybe they shouldn’t be sleeping around unless they are prepared to raise a baby or get married. If they can’t afford to keep it then give it up for adoption. Who’s condemning the child to a life on the streets unless it’s the selfish mother who refuses to give it up to parents who can care for it. There are millions of wonderful couples who can’t have their own children and would love to raise a family. There would be people standing in line to adopt that baby. Adoption agencies don’t have enough babies and are now doing international adoptions for that very reason! The child would NOT have to live on the streets. What a selfish statement to make. There is no reason to ever kill your baby because it’s friggin inconvenient for you. if you don’t want to get pregnant get on the pill, use a condom and the pill or hey how about abstaining from sex? As for rape victims do you have a percentage on how many women get pregnant from a rape or molestation? Many rape victims HAVE given their innocent baby a life and to adoptive parents. It’s called NOT being selfish and self centered. Rape is horrible. But killing an innocent child is just another horror on top of that! The baby isn’t a monster. It’s the woman’s baby regardless. Many women use a sperm donor to have a baby. Who’s to say what that donor was like? Maybe he was a crazy, violent abuser. Being raped is awful but the baby is still an innocent sweet life that shouldn’t be punished for the sins of it’s biological paternal parent. There is never an excuse for abortion. Thank goodness a guy can stand up and state the same thing for once.
First and foremost: keep the Supreme Court out of my uterus. It is my uterus not yours, not "His", not anyone's BUT MINE. Second of all, life begins at birth. No baby in a womb is going to live unless it is born. If a group of cells cannot live on it's own without a mother, then it is not a baby.
I respect your post and I respect your opinion, but what I do not respect is the fact that no one respects MY opinion. I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion, and I absolutely resent when people call me pro-abortion because I have liberal view points.
Birth Control. So many of you "pro-lifers" don't believe in birth control, the biggest hypocrisy I have ever heard. People are going to have sex no matter how many times you preach to them that they are sinning or disobeying the "Lord". We don't even know if there is a "God" which I won't even go into because that is an entirely different argument. But regardless, stop teaching abstinence. We all know that none of you perfect people would ever come into situations of having sex before marriage, but most of you aren't in your teens or twenties anymore. But guess what… I am. I know what it's like to have a serious boyfriend, I know what it's like to be young and in love, and I know what it's like to get caught up in sexual situations. So I'm on birth control. Brilliance really, a small pill that keeps a baby away! HOLY SHIT IT SOLVES ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS!
But for those of you who do believe in it… mistakes happen. Sometimes things don't turn out the way you want, even though you did everything you tried. Well, keep the damn SC out of my uterus. If I get pregnant you best bet if I'm not ready for this baby that I am going to do what I think is right. I am going to have one of the safest, simplest procedures out there and I'm not going to look back. I am not going to subject a child (when it ACTUALLY BECOMES ONE) in 9 months to poverty, depression, and a jeopardized future, it's just not for me. In a first trimester, this baby has no way of living on it's own.. maybe some miracle chance but let's be real. In my eyes, this is not a baby, not even for a second would I think that. I'm sorry if my pregnant sister who was in her first trimester of pregnancy, got murdered- it would be single homicide.
Now, Roe V Wade, the best thing to ever enter the court. Let's have another reality check for all you amazingly wonderful people out there who can't make mistakes. Legal/Illegal abortions will never stop the process of having an abortion. Take away Roe V Wade and poof, you've got more young girls dying then you've ever seen before. Back ally abortions are incredibly dangerous and often cause permanent PHYSICAL damage to the mother (something very rare with legal abortions). Just because they feel lost, hopeless, and like this is their only choice, does not make it okay for them to suffer because they feel this is the best decision for them. Again, it's not a baby.
Barak Obama is the best, seriously. He won't touch Roe V Wade and he'll save lives. He's allowing Stem Cell Research, the best god damn research out there, and he'll save lives. I can argue any day you want about stem cells and I guarantee I'll win. There are no good legitimate arguments out there to argue against stem cells. Maybe I'll come back and see if anyone takes on the argument.
I am not stupid because I feel this way. I am not filled with evil. I am a fun loving, responsible girl, who dedicates a lot of my time to helping others and saving lives. But when it comes down to it, I am never going to fight for a girl to give up her choices and I am NEVER going to fight against funding for research that will save us all from terrible diseases that may cause us to lose memory of anyone we have ever loved.
That was good. I dont think we should fund abortions. I say let them keep their freedom of choice (to kill the baby), but make the women do it themselves so that they can feel the guilt and agony of ripping the living, breathing, bleeding life right out of their own bodies and slaughtering their own unborn child. Make them witness the grotesque and murderous act first hand and have the blood of the child on their hands so they can remember it till the day they die.
Sushi,
I'm against birth control because I do not believe it does what it is supposed to do, that is, eliminate unwanted pregnancies and STDs. I simply don't see any evidence that it is working. Instead, it is making our culture more sexualized with each passing day. As condoms and other birth control methods become even more widespread, the age at which children (yes, children) become sexually active is younger and younger, and the age at which they have to deal with problems such as pregnancy and STD's gets younger and younger. And I'm to believe that birth control is helping? Please! I'm not falling for it.
Your response is exactly what is wrong with the pro-abo.. oh, I'm sorry… Pro-death movement. You see, usually when you have a discussion with people you comment on things that they said. You, and the other pro-death people who have chimed in haven't done that. This debate hasn't moved forward because people like you are afraid to confront the truth.
Why don't you actually discuss this with us, rather than call us idiots. Oh, and please leave the ad hominems out. I know you're tempted to say something like, "Because its impossible to reason with you people who cling to their guns and religion so why even bother." Try us. Say something smart, for once.
And while I'm at it, Sushi, you said of the president, " He's allowing Stem Cell Research, the best god damn research out there, and he'll save lives. I can argue any day you want about stem cells and I guarantee I'll win."
Ok. Bring it. Name one cure that has been developed through embryonic stem cell research. Just one. That's all. If you're such an expert than you should be able to do it. Oh, you can't even name one? Yet, you call it, "The Best God Damn(ed) research out there."
Ok, my turn. Let's look at adult stem cells. In 2008, adult stem cells cured utoimmune diseases, brain injury, stroke, cerebral palsy, spinal cord injury, cancer, immune deficiency, heart failure, heart defects, leg fractures, liver cirrhosis, digestive tract damage, kidney damage, pulmonary hypertension, knee cartilage injuries, and windpipe reconstruction (according to the family research council). Now that's some progress, right there Sushi.
But you see, the president is only talking about putting money into the embryonic type of research, which, again, has not yielded any cures. ZERO!
Let me tell you a secret, Sushi. Medical progress is determined by money from the private sector. There is a reason that people who want to continue to use embryo's for this type of research want the government to pay for it: NOBODY ELSE WILL! If there was any evidence that embryonic stem cell research would work, investors would be lining up for miles and miles to get a piece of that action. But since the evidence isn't there, the issue has gone political and geniuses like you have bought into it hook, line, and sinker. Meanwhile, Sushi, the people who are using adult stem cells to cure the above diseases don't need any money… the investors are there! They have plenty.
In other words, Sushi, the government doesn't need to get involved in this at all. If Obama was up on this issue at all (he clearly isn't) he would either put the money towards people who actually need it (the poor), or he'd let the people who earned it, keep it.
Now its your turn. You guaranteed a victory, here. Let's see what you got.
"The fact is, abortion is always safer than full-term pregnancy/delivery" — yes, except for the baby, Kathleen. Abortion is rather dangerous for the unborn baby, wouldn't you agree?
Allison, it's a specious argument to equate refusing to donate an organ with having a living unborn baby torn up and thrown away. Nice try. And yes, under current law, you are free to make all the babies you want, and then kill them before they're born. That's what it is: infanticide, murder. Sorry if you don't like that.
Kayla — I'm sure, if polled every unborn baby about to be suctioned into pieces would vote for being able to be born…regardless of the 'life of poverty' or poor conditions as you have described. If born, at least they have a chance to have a good life. With abortion…they have no choice…and no chance.
Well done, Jeff. Articulated very well. Hats off.
Way to gun down the 'right of privacy' whine. It's in smoking ruins, bro — well done.
Dear "Not Important" — (Hmm…aptly named, sir.) Your reasoning for your argument — nonexistant. Your point to support your tantrum — missing.
Pal… Thinking is hard. Don't hurt yourself…and leave this argument to the adults.
Vanessa — God bless you. You speak the truth, and very eloquently stated.
"Second of all, life begins at birth. No baby in a womb is going to live unless it is born. If a group of cells cannot live on it's own without a mother, then it is not a baby."
Clearly you did NOT read my post. If you had you would address my argument that a one-hour old baby cannot live on its own either. Or a two-week old baby. Your selection of the "moment a fetus becomes a baby" is purely arbitrary. I don't believe you are stupid. You are a narcissist. And you are sadly self-decieved.
Right on! Thanks so much!
Gary
On the start, sorry for my English. I go with you in this matter, abortion is the worst murder because victim is child who can't fight, but in heaven God hear crying these children. We are hearing about FOCA in Poland, and many of people know that it's horrible idea, we pray about light for Obama and govermant.
I'm very happy that still are people on the world who say loud the truth like you and people who wrote comments. We must solid together and pray from every country of the world to stop murder and FOCA.
Regards from Poland
Sylwia
Gary..should you have the courage to keep this ultimate "insanity" that the human race has fallen prey to, in the media, you would truly be taking on Christ's character.
Christ was hated, no he was despised but He knew whom He served. Abortion is so vile an act…claiming to be wise they became utter fools.
We have no more excuses with the availability of today's technology, we know there is a heart beat and since life begins & ends with a heart beat no words can justify the killing of the unborn. There are no killing fields that report the numbers that match the daily genocide of abortion. You might be hated temporarily but count on being loved eternally..you have the platform rally the troops..this is the most central issue of the degradation facing the human race. To tolerate this and refuse to face the horror is showcase of how depraved our minds have become.
Thanks my friend…andrew,
Sylwia — THANKS for your comment, and your English is fine. I understood you completely. I wish Democrats were as easy to understand! God bless you.
From one mother who knows real loss of a son in utero to you a father who has seen the great miracle of your daughter, you have put together an incredible piece. Peace be with you and may you see those little one gone before you one day. Shout to the world these sentiments you have discovered because the lies about abortion are being rammed down the throats of our teenages.As to babies concieved out of rape, just look up the stories of those on the internet who are so grateful to be alive but somebody wanted to abort because they were concieved out of rape. I was amazed by these stories of the survivors.
Nancy has fogot who pays her wages, the consumers. Kill the babies and you are kill the new consumers and ultimately there will be no economy to stimulate.
AS we say Down Under, good on you mate. Your piece is worth more then all the gold in the world.
I think anyone who considers themselves pro-choice should read Gary's testimony in full. Anyone who cannot read it, and them confidently reaffirm their pro-choice position, should join the pro-life movement. I have read the article, and remain firmly pro-choice. I am very happy for Gary that he has learned there are good reasons to make a commitment to one woman, not a rotating list of seven, and through that first lesson, has come to recognize the joys of fatherhood. This time, he (and she) want the baby. He paid for a sonogram, not an abortion. Good for him. I've never had a child, nor paid for an abortion, but I have always loved babies. Abortion should indeed be much more rare than his profligate lifestyle made it. However, when he says he doesn't have all the answers, he is correct, and even if he had all the answers, the answers he has may not be The Answers for each and every person. I would not inflict his admirable personal repentance on every life decision made by every human being in America. Anyone who wants more detail, I have posted it as http://siarlysjenkins.blogspot.com — with links to Gary's article (here) and James Watkins's summary, just so nobody stumbles across it and misses the original inspiration.
Jefferson? The man who rewrote the Gospels, ending with Jesus in the tomb, and nothing further? I would guess that Jefferson's response might be, "Oh, if only I could have paid for Sally to have a few abortions, those embarrassing kids who looked like me wouldn't have been running around the slave quarters." I say that without any doubt that there was genuine affection between Jefferson and Hemmings — after all, she was his wife's sister. I also would argue against such a series of abortions, if it were up to me, although we must remember the brave mothers in Haiti, watching their daughters being led off to execution by French troops, crying "rejoice, that your wombs will never bear children into slavery." My original point is, don't make cute little icons of the founding fathers. They didn't live up to any of our hero worship. They were all flawed, as are we, as was the nation they created.
A very well balanced presentation. I don't believe we need to change Roe v. Wade, because it would be almost impossible to come up with a legal framework for extensive government interference without doing more harm than good, but, in the exercise of our right to make a choice, we need a sense of morality in our culture that it is a very serious decision, and no, that is not a simple mass of cells, or like a cancer. The legal right to choose does not tell us which choice is the right one. Abstinence is still a good choice, not because pregnancy is embarrassing, but because embarrassment is not a good enough reason for abortion. Take the decision seriously, for God's sake. And if the baby could survive on its own, then the procedure is not an abortion, its a delivery, and should be conducted accordingly.
Sorry, but biology, God, or both dictated that for nine months, only the woman could carry the zygote to fetus to baby to term. Men know that. So, its unfair but, so is life. If a man doesn't want to risk child support, he shouldn't lie with the woman in the first place. Likewise, if he wants a say in the decision whether to abort, as in "That's MY baby too. You can't abort MY baby," he should make sure he is in a covenant relationship with the woman, and that they are in agreement, before he sows his seed. Since only the woman can carry the growing life, its her choice, not his. Once a baby is delivered, if she wants to put the baby up for adoption, of course the father should have first claim. At that point he can take full responsibility, if he chooses to do so. If he doesn't want to pay child support, he could marry her — or make an effort to make himself into a man she would find worth marrying.
How about pro-life community in Ca. stepping up to adopt/aid octuplets. Great opportunity to put works to her faith that God would provide. She must be the most pro-life person in U.S. media. Let the world know it`s more than words of morality. It is the work of GRACE that will let the pro-life light shine on the sanctity of these lives!!!!!
[...] you Gary, for your insightful passionate piece defending life in the womb. I know you really took a risk, and I thank you. There’s no time anymore to pussyfoot [...]
Split hairs much? That is the point where most existential liberal apologist would then try and negate the whole of Gary's argument and not actually proceed with their own reasoned argument.
But the women also knew that there was a risk of pregnancy when she agreed to have sex with the man. So couldn't it be said that if the women doesn't want to risk having the man not pay child support-if they are not married then there is a very good chance he wouldn't- then she shouldn't be having sex with him.
I'm not saying your argument is completely wrong, I believe men do have responsibility, but I also believe that women have just as much responsibility. And it is completely unfair and sexist to expect the man to have responsibility and the women get out of any responsibilty just because she is carrying the child.
Wonderful. Thank you.
Dude, this piece and you, are simply awesome!!!!
[...] Flashpoint! A Woman’s Right To Choose [...]
[...] first from Gary Graham (warning some language at the link) says in part: No. I’m going to say it. I’m going to say [...]
I am amazed by your article, and I thank you. I believe that what we need to start doing is helping the women who would choose abortions. I got pregnant in college (came from a Catholic background, by the way), and I never once thought of abortion for me, but I felt like a leper. People from my family and friends told me that I had committed a sin and that they were so disappointed in me. They never mentioned abortion, but I could understand, somewhat, why a woman would want an abortion, I felt humiliated and shamed. When I miscarried a few weeks later I was heartbroken and I blamed myself for a very long time.
I finally married before my senior year, to the man who stood by me through all of that, and we had our daughter the spring that I graduated (I took my last semester independent study). I was awe-struck. She's now almost two and I am amazed every day by her intelligence and curiosity of the world. I hope that she can grow up in a culture of life and wonder, not one of death.
Sorry, I guess I felt the need to share my story after you shared yours. I feel a lot of embarrassment because of this, but I know I shouldn't. Yeah, I made some bad decisions but if I had given birth to that baby it would have been difficult, sure, but I could never have looked at him/her as anything other than a miracle.
In the movie 300 they showed a valley filled with dead babies, babies tossed down there because they weren't up to Spartan standards.
You just got me thinking, I know a girl whos had abortions, she said this showed the Spartans were despicable people and should not be honored for anything, but, isn't that the same as an abortion?
Will one day, a thousand years from now, people look back at us and say we were despicable people and should not be honored for anything?
Thank you. I was adopted as an infant and I am thankful every day for my birth-mother's choices. Every day.
It could be said that the woman was taking a risk, and she was. But to the extent that either parent may "change their mind" after conception — and Graham is saying as many have, that neither should — biology dictates that the woman holds all the cards for those nine months. It isn't fair, but it is real. I once read an article by a lawyer who advocated a period early in pregnancy when the father may renounce his paternity, leaving the woman without any right to child support if she does carry the pregnancy to term. Essentially, it amounted to a means for the father to pressure the mother to abort. Although I am pro-choice, I don't buy that. A man takes a certain risk when he has sexual relations outside of marriage, and one risk unique to the male side of the matter is, if she's pregnant, its her choice, not his.
The difference is obvious, simple, and common sense. If a woman is looking forward to the birth of a baby, has literally put her life blood into nurturing it, endured gladly the undoubted pains and suffering involved, then sees all that taken away by miscarriage, she mourns. If a woman is fearful, upset, depressed, and wished she were not pregnant, she senses abortion would be a relief. She would also find relief from miscarriage, but she can't count on it happening. She also may be wrong about abortion being a relief. Some women do feel relieved afterward, others feel depressed, guilty, and regretful. Nobody should make such a decision without as much perspective as possible from women who have been through it.
As a pro-choice individual who belongs to a church where many of my brothers and sisters are born-again, not all, I have to question your stereotyped language about "my problem with Born Agains." It makes as much sense as the woman earlier who referred to Obama, Pelosi and "his gang." Real live people are very complex and very unique individuals, whatever institutions or demographics they are part of. I have a lot of respect for Obama, and no use at all for Pelosi. You have a good point buried under the stereotype. Graham is a bit like the fanatical ex-smoker. He has made some very irresponsible decisions in his life, recognized it, come clean, and the first thing he wants to do is make his choices illegal, including, illegal for people making much more difficult, painful, carefully considered, decisions, in life situations he has never encountered.
Thank you, Gary, for this wonderful post. Very powerful, very insightful.
Oddly, I am more amazed by the relative absence of objecting/opposing rebuttals. I've been skimming the various comments, and I have only found two negatives… as compared to 50+ supportive responses. That tells me that there is some irresistible logic and truth to what you are saying. Those who disagree with you simply don't have any arguments that stand up under true scrutiny.
Thank you for having the courage to open this topic. Indeed, we (as a culture) have been too silent for too long.
Blessing to you, and yours.
Cj
Here's another interesting post (and comments) made on American Digest by Vanderleun. http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_st... ____
Gary Graham, thanks for your transparency and honesty.
Thank you
50,000,000 babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade. FIFTY MILLION. Hm. Those lives, people, will never be able to make a choice in life because somebody chose to end theirs. Born Again or not, these are the facts. Look it all up on the internet. You'll find stories of the nurses who find the aborted baby still alive in the trash can for disposal. This is real. Look it up. Educate yourself on the truth.
I find it so interesting how the abortion debate tends to be approached. Choice or no choice? That seems to by-pass the most crucial and foremost question. Is the fetus a person? Everything hangs on that answer. If the unborn baby is a person than whatever argument you pose to kill it needs to be just as convincing as an argument to kill a 2 year old. Because you would be dealing with the same sort of thing; a person. It seems that the only difference between a fetus and a 10 year old is: (a) size (b) level of development (c) environment (d) degree of dependency. You may not be familiar with this criteria for personhood in such a simplistic form but I am sure you will recognize it fleshed out in "pro-life objections". Scenario one [size]: "the fetus is not a person–come on it is soo small. How can you say that something the size of the tip of a ball point pen is a person?" Scenario two[level of development]: "the fetus is not a person–it does not have all of its parts formed. Its brain is not functioning, it can't feel pain". Scenario three [environment] " I fetus becomes a person when it leaves its mother’s womb and is born". Scenario four [degree of dependency]: " A fetus is not a person because it is still attached to its mother. It needs her to live and hence it should be her choice if she keeps it alive."
This view of personhood is based on someone’s function not on the sort of being that they are intrinsically. The many problems with the view become apparent as it is fleshed out. First of all it leads to a view of personhood that is cashed out in degrees not all or nothing. Secondly, it is arbitrary and thirdly it is illogical and we don't live out this definition of person hood in other areas of life.
If we do think that person hood is cashed out in degrees and a fetus in the third trimester is more of a person (though not one fully by view of the pro choice position) than one who is in the 1st trimester why stop there? If we are going to hold to this definition than to be consistent the logical thing would be to say that smaller people are inferior to larger ones and the larger ones have the right to enslave the smaller ones and do with them what they like because they have less personhood than the larger people. Who in their right mind would suggest that a 14 year old girl is more of a person (and hence has more value) than a 2 year old girl because the 14 year old has a more mature developed reproductive system than a 2 year old. And we have the right to kill the 2 year old or do whatever to her because she is not valuable. Is it possible that a 9 inch journey down the birth canal can really change the sort of being that someone is. When I change my physical location do I change–the sort of being that I am? What about dependency? Some people spend their whole lives either dependent on medicine or other people. My 4 month old daughter is dependent on me to live. Does that mean that I can kill her because she is not a person or is less of a person than her 2 year old brother? Nobody lives like this in other areas of life because first of all it is illegal and secondly on an intuitive level we know that it is wrong.
Part 2 of Sarahs Post:
Peter Singer wrote a book called "should the baby live". In it he proposes a form of infanticide. A baby is born and has certain mental or physical handicaps it should be killed on the spot…these would disqualify it from personhood and the rights that come with it. While I disagree with his views I applaud him for being consistent. He sees that it
is totally illogical to say that a mere change in environment changes the sort of being that someone is. Their essence–who they are and all that comes with it. Rather if our worth our personhood our value, who we really are, comes from our ability to function in a certain way why stop at birth. I would argue why stop at all. Handicap people the elderly. The list could go on. People whose functions fall short of this list for whatever reason. Wait I feel like I have heard this story before. Takes place in Germany about 70ish years ago.
I think that the most rational and logically consistent view of personhood to adopt has nothing to do with what we do as people but rather it is intrinsic. By that I mean, we have worth given the sort of beings that we are ontologically (for you philosophy folks out there). It cannot be taken away and it does not diminish with age or our abilities to function because it is un-related to both. It is all or nothing and occurs at the point of conception rather than some arbitrary place along the way.
Given the fact that the definition of personhood as related to someone’s ability to function falls short I feel it is necessary to address an area that people like to call "gray". Incest, rape and Mom's life in danger. If the fetus is a person than whatever argument is launched to justify killing it for one of these reasons needs to be just as convincing as an argument to kill a 2 year old who is the result of incest, rape or who is putting his Mother's life in danger. Let me be clear. The fetus is just as much a person as you or me. This means that abortion is murder. No matter how old or young the fetus is, how it got there or what happens to the Mom if it is born. We are so concerned about "rights" in this country that we often times lose sight of the "oughts" and "shoulds" in life. What the right thing to do is. I heard a professor once say that the abortion debate is cashed out in "rights" language and that is the wrong way to view it. The leading question in his mind is "what should a person of character do?" I think he is right. I saw someone posted earlier that they agreed with Gary but did not think that we Roe vs Wade should be overturned. My question is why not? This is an all or nothing issue. If the fetus is a person than it is murder and the greatest holocaust of our time and we should do everything possible to stop it. This is not the time to be politically correct—it is the time to do what is right.
This post has been a very intellectual approach to the abortion debate and one that I think is necessary. But I do feel the need to say something on a more emotional level. We all know in the depths of our being that killing a un- born fetus is wrong. It is utterly horrifying what we are doing to innocent babies who are quietly growing in the depths of their mothers. Sometimes I feel like I am living in the twilight zone when I sit back and think about the fact that I live in a country where it is legal and morally permissible to kill babies. That is what they are, babies. And probably not far from my house they are being killed—poisoned, torn to pieces, brains sucked out….and I cannot call the police or physically stop it.
I am urging you to THINK rationally about this topic. Don’t just take in what mainstream media wants you to believe or what you glean from society on the issue. I really believe that we all know that it is wrong to kill un-born babies. We KNOW it. People want to deny it for personal gain….selfish reasons usually. But the reality stands. In the words of Dr. Seuss “A person is a person no matter how small”
[...] To see Gary Graham’s full article, go to (Warning: Graham uses vulgar language that is not appropriate for children): http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ggraham/2009/01/27/flashpo…; [...]
Well thank you very much for this beautiful manly open letter, Mr. Graham. It sure gives a lot to ponder about. I hope you won't mind my translating into French for us to ponder about too, on the old continent.
Frank, I have two questions: (1) What about all the rest of us pro-choice people who are NOT liberals or academics? (2) What if we are all morally revulsed by the idea of artificial gestation chambers? There was a song in the late 60s bemoaning the future when "You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too, from the bottom of a long glass tube…" I've read science fiction stories about gigantic wombs in lab tanks that can grow twenty or thirty fetuses at a time, while married couples hook themselves up to some kind of machine to enjoy each other's company without direct contact… No thank you, I would vote to outlaw the artificial chamber.
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At least you admit that you're a hypocrite. Sure it's fine for women to have on access abortion while your young, single, and busy banging your way though the college population. But now that your older, have settled down a little bit, and have no skin it the game it's suddenly an unspeakable evil that must be stopped.
Even though you're a hypocrite I happen to agree with you. Abortion is wrong. But that doesn't mean that the status quo before the 1960's was any better. Bottom line women already have the right; abortion or not, to unilaterally surrender their parental responsibilities though adoption; or abandonment. They shouldn't be able to murder their child just because it's inconvenient for them to be pregnant for 9 months.
Just as important, but; rarely discussed, men should ALSO have the right to unilaterally surrender their parental responsibilities in the event of an unintended pregnancy. In this country the 14th amendment guarantees equal protection under the law, and if women can surrender their parental responsibilities then men should be able to as well.
WOW! I'm proud of you for being so honest, candid, and brave to speak out about this in such an unsolicited, "untimed", and risky way. I don't know if you will ever receive the full reward that you deserve in this lifetime for speaking the truth to this delusional culture whose conscience has been so profoundly seared and whose minds have been so blinded to logic and reason regarding infanticide (abortion), but I sincerely hope so! Where to go from here? Let's hope other peoples' hearts and minds have been awakened by the honesty, candor, bravery, and wisdom that you have released into such an insulated world as Hollywood is. Best wishes!
Not at all, MCL — I'm honored. Je suis enchante. Et merci pour le lire. Does that make any sense? ha ha
Mike — Well stated and completely logical. I have no interest in locking people up; but rather contributing to an ever-brightening illumination to our national zeitgeist. Getting people to stop and think…is rarely a bad thing. Thanks for weighing in, you make excellent points.
It does make sense.
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And now you can re-read yourself in French on
http://ps139.blog.tdg.ch/archive/2009/02/25/et-l-...
Amitiés,
Marie-Christine
Allison has a point. During most of the time this new life is growing from zygote to blastocyst to fetus to baby, it is literally living on the pregnant woman's blood. Her body grows a whole new organ, the placenta, solely to nourish this new life. She is subject to convulsions of nausea and all kinds of pain as well. Most women, at some point in their life, consider this worth suffering through, because they want, desire, look forward to, the birth of their baby. But neither The State, nor a man (who doesn't have to donate much of his body or life blood at all, nor do nine months work of carrying the fetus), nor another woman, who found the process good for herself, has the moral, much less legal right, to dictate to any given pregnant individual woman. I notice that right-to-life billboards almost ALWAYS show healthy post-birth babies, because nobody would have the same visceral reaction to pictures of half-developed fetuses, much less first trimester ones. I love babies. Once they are born, they are a qualitatively different being from a blastocyst. I'm not fooled by the billboards.
P.S. Gary, a very convincing Devil, aka Randy Sexer, has responded to my commentary at my site about your commentary. Was that you wearing a red mask? He's the most convincing evidence that the Devil is real I've ever run across. Invitation only web site, with a limit of 500,000 per day?
I want my tax money to go to these agencies. Some of them. For some purposes. The reason these agencies have access, sometimes, to some tax money, is that we the people have elected representatives who vote to allow some of our tax money to go to some of these agencies, sometimes. If we the people didn't approve, we the people would elect representatives who wouldn't allocate the money. Some districts and states do. Sometimes. Apparently, we the people are not all of one accord on this, or any other issue.
Gary, it is illegal to abort an unborn baby, in all fifty states, entirely consistent with Roe v. Wade. The reason you can't poll an unborn first trimester fetus is that it doesn't have the ability to speak, hear, or process your attempt to communicate, nor to make a decision. People sometimes ask "Well, what if your mother aborted you?" If she had, I would have no opinion at all on the matter. I would never have been. But, as Aslan said to Lucy many times, "What might have been? No-one is ever told that. What will be, that we can learn." If you are alive and speaking, then abortion is not an option in your life. I suspect that some people who have made the best with growing out of badly damaged tissue, would have said, no, don't bring me into the world like that. But the fact is, we can't poll rubella-ravaged fetuses either. The best we can do is let the parents make that decision, and the parents have to live with the consequences. I respect the right of parents to bring such a pregnancy to term, if they are prepared to give the resulting child all it requires, but I also respect the right of the parents to choose not to do that. Who knows which is more merciful? Certainly not The State.
I infer from your name that you are a male of the species, like me. When pro-life men can have the fetus of a woman who doesn't want to carry it transplanted safely, with no risk to either patient, into their own abdomen, I will respect your allegation of narcissism. As to shooting children in the head, once they are living outside of the mother, we have a qualitatively different situation. In almost every state, the newly delivered baby can be placed, no questions asked, in a designated sanctuary location, if the parents cannot or will not care for it.
No, they are not idiots. They are wrong, morally as well as logically, but they are sincere. There is a good deal of thought to some of these posts. Some of them have plenty to repent of, and some, like Gary, have done a credible job of sharing it with the world. Flagrantly hedonistic sex with multiple partners is damaging to the woman (usually in our culture more of a victim than the man, but not always), damaging at least spiritually to the more aggressive partner (usually the man), and unplanned pregnancy is one rather avoidable result. (Avoidable by waiting until you have a single partner you care for, not by paying for several abortions). That said, a zygote is not a baby, a blastocyst is not a baby, a fetus is not a baby, but the later in pregnancy a woman waits to make up her mind, the less it is her choice to make. As a matter of law, I think the Supreme Court got the appropriate role for The State, the police, the district attorney, about right, in Roe v. Wade. There are times when I would personally support a woman's decision to abort. But, without any legal sanction or enforcement, anyone who believes that abortion is, morally, murder, has the right to say so, to try to convince a pregnant woman that it is so, and to urge their fellow citizens to make what appears to be the right decision. It's called freedom of speech. Even the most zealous advocate should be careful not to step over the line and claim to be "politically correct."
One of Kayla Parker's point was that if a woman is raped, and does not want to go through nine months bearing the fruit of that rape, she should not be called a murderer. Last I knew, being raped is not the same thing as sleeping around. That's only one issue, but it is a real one.
Clearly you didn't read MY comments responding to your post weeks ago. A one-hour old baby CAN live on its own, whether the mother takes care of it or not. ANY adult can pick it up and raise it. Even a social worker might manage to do so without severe mishap, although a social worker would never be my first choice. It is even possible it could crawl around and find food on its own without being eaten by something larger, but we are mammals, not fish or reptiles, and our babies are the most helpless of all mammals at birth, with the most growing to do outside the womb. Most of the time it remains inside the mother, ONLY the mother can sustain it, through the umbilical cord. Once the baby is out, it can eat, albeit its chances are better if some adult chooses to feed it. Any adult will do, at that point.
Women have done that for centuries. They generally kill themselves in the process. Then they can't go on to be mothers later. It takes a doctor to perform an abortion safely.
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As long as you have no interest in locking people up (or executing them) I really have no quarrel with what you have posted. The key thing for me, as far as the law is concerned, is that government not make these decisions for everyone. That said, everyone has a right to present clear, firm, passionate arguments for what they believe, and urge their fellow citizens to choose accordingly. Pro-choice people are not entitled to a monopoly on advocacy. Of course, when you say abortion is murder, it logically follows that you should advocate locking up and/or executing every doctor who performs one and every woman who has one. Maybe the rhetoric should be toned down just a degree or two. No, its not really murder, because you really have no interest in treating it like murder. In orthodox Jewish teaching, it is not murder, but it is bloodshed, and it is prohibited, unless the mother's life is truly in danger, in which case it is mandatory.
Since I am not American but German I can't say that I am a Democrat. But if I lived in the USA I'd surely be a Democrat.
Moreover, I am not religious and I don't consider the Bible or God when debating about such important issues.
This doesn't save me from knowing that the biggest problem about the whole abortion discussion is the fact that people tend to make differences between a born and an unborn child.
Why?
Because of one simple reason: a baby that is already born, a little cute boy or girl we can touch, smell and see luckily addresses our protective instincts, the schema of childlike characteristics take over and we KNOW for sure that the baby is a living being, a human being, someone that has to be protected.
An unborn child does not activate these instincts to this extent, therefore, for many people, abortion seems to be not as bad as killing a child outside the womb.
Well, this is an error in reasoning. A child is a child, wether outside or inside the mother.
Unborn children already have the survival instincts. They try to swerve the instruments when an abortion starts, their heart beats fast. They try to defend themselves and doctors speak about panic reactions. And the worst thing is that they don't have to be 5 or 6 months old fetuses, it already happens after the first few weeks.
So what does this make of a person who brutaly kills a scared and defenseless being?
Somebody here wrote earlier "Who do you people think you are, have so much control over another persons life and not to mention body!?!"
This is a great question – concerning the unborn child as well. Because killing it means to do exactly what is mentioned above… control over another persons life and not to mention body.
The unborn child is not just a tumor or something zombie-like thing without any feelings. A lot of people ignore this, some due to lack of knowledge, some due to a guilty conscience they would get if they considered the aborted child as a feeling human being.
The mother is not the only one with ethical rights, the unborn has them as well.
And the child does not care if the mother had the CHOICE and how hard it was for her to abort it when it is DEAD in the end…
I don't have to be a Conservative to be against abortion and I don't have to be a Democrat to be against the death penalty. I just have to be me.
Killing means killing. There is no "but" and "if".
You seem to be reasonable and intelligent. My complaint about the pro-choice movement is the that it supports a hard-core industry intent on making money by exploiting young girls and young women. Most Pro-choice advocates fight tooth and nail to prevent laws such as showing a young woman a sonogram, providing information about the developmental stages of pregnancy, information about the possible side affects, such as higher rates of suicide and fatal accidents for women who have abortions vs those who did not, allowing a waiting period (something we have whenever we sign a contract. Shouldn't there be something similiar when we sign a contract with the devil?), Parental Notification or at least appearing before a judge so that a minor is not subjected to exploitation by adult males, state inspections of abortuaries for the safety of at least one of the patients, and the list could go on. The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) will wipe out entirely any advancement made in the laws of each state to try to make abortion rare. President Obama says he wants to make abortion rare, but keep it available. I wonder how he intends to reduce the number of abortions while whole-heartedly supporting FOCA. Peace be with you.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2020...
See here what our illustrious liberal congress and president have in mind for our yet to be born citizens.
You may want to check out Rachel's Vineyard, for women who have miscarried or had an abortion. It is a weekend for healing and to understand God's love for you. I also had a out of wedlock pregnancy 28 years ago, but fortunately for me, my Catholic family were loving and supportive. My mother said the worst thing that could ever happen to her would be to lose a child–such as my precious son who has given me two beautiful grandchildren. Peace be with you.
I don't see the president's name on this bill, although I anticipate he might well sign it if it is passed by both houses of congress. I don't really see anything in there which is not already well settled law. It basically opens up the federal courts for individual women to sue against state practices which might coerce their individual decision. As long as the legal right to make the decision is their's, that makes sense. IF the legal right is taken from them, on the grounds that their pregnancy implicates an entirely independent individual human life, then of course this law would fall with whatever change brought that about. The legal reasoning is much more complex than I would have made it, and I am familiar with the Supreme Court decisions limiting the powers of Congress that they are working their way around.
As to your earlier comments, I think that protecting young pregnant women from exploitation by adult males who want her to have an abortion for their own reasons, is a valid concern. I also think that the kind of information you enumerate should be AVAILABLE, but it should not be FORCED on women who don't want it. To say that providers must offer it is one thing, to say that she is required to watch it all is another. In fact, not all contracts have a waiting period, and we don't all recognize it as a contract with the devil. Abortion should be made rare by developing a culture that treats sexuality with more respect, on the one hand, and by providing pregnant women with the assurance that they have a support network sufficiently strong and reliable to bear and raise their child with confidence. Government has little role in the former, and only a limited role in the latter. There are some things that really do have to come from the private sector, not business, but individual voluntary acts, not even by non-profits, but just people, and of course churches.
Yes, here in American we also have godless atheists for life. We also have Catholics for Choice, and Protestants who are pro-choice, and we have pro-life Democrats, some of whom supported Obama for president. In short, this issue, for all kinds of reasons, cuts across all religious and political lines, regardless of what the Party Line may be (did you know some state Republican parties have a Central Committee?), and regardless of what ecclesiastical hierarchies would like to believe.
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