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		<title>By: phlogiston</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/11/15/another-911-travesty/comment-page-2/#comment-1488974</link>
		<dc:creator>phlogiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the so-called backlash nowadays may not be against the Bush administration, but after Obama&#039;s coddling of terrorists based on a detachment from the reality of human nature, it will probably cause the American public to demand torture for terrorists and an end to mollycoddling of people whose goal is to do us harm. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 
 
An aroused America might just revert to old values, which are quite brutal. Look what Americans did to the Amerinds. We can be brutal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the so-called backlash nowadays may not be against the Bush administration, but after Obama&#039;s coddling of terrorists based on a detachment from the reality of human nature, it will probably cause the American public to demand torture for terrorists and an end to mollycoddling of people whose goal is to do us harm. </p>
<p>An aroused America might just revert to old values, which are quite brutal. Look what Americans did to the Amerinds. We can be brutal.</p>
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		<title>By: phlogiston</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/11/15/another-911-travesty/comment-page-2/#comment-1488902</link>
		<dc:creator>phlogiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to wonder just what the adminisration is seeking to accomplish with this initiative. If &quot;the law&quot; of the forum were applied to the cases of these &quot;detainees&quot; then the egregious actions of the government would be a basis for dismissal. Aren&#039;t these folks entitled to &quot;a speedy trial?&quot; Since they are being tried under U.S. civilian criminal law, a judge who followed the law would be required to dismiss charges against them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 
 
Of course, then the Obama-ites would play the blame game and try to blame the judge for following the law. Oh wait. Considering this matter is below Obama&#039;s pay grade and has been delegated to Holder, plausible deniability is at work, so Obama would not be in any way culpable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  
 
But our courts have run amok. They use specious procedural devices to avoid entering into the political arena by refusing to consider purported &quot;facts&quot; concerning the citizenship issue regarding Obama. They allege that Barry Soetero received scholarship money for which he applied as a foreign national. If this were true, then whether this would affect his eligibility to occupy the office of President is problematical, and should eleicit a ruling. Some stare decisis please. That&#039;s what you guys are supposed to do, isn&#039;t it? The courts have refused to address this matter and probably will avoid applying the applicable law in the cases of the terrorists to provide cover for the administration. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 
 
But if Obama truly wants to demonstrate the &quot;fairness&quot; of the U.S. system or jurisprudence, then most assuredly these malefactors must be released as all of the facts concerning all of the possible charges against them have been in the hands of the government for years. Wait, didn&#039;t Obama or was it Holder, publicly announce that the terrorists would never be freed regardless of the court ruling. Does that demonstrate a ritualistic system that abides by its tenets? No. If anything it would indicate a rigged system. Habeus corpus anyone?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 
 
I certainly have no problem with the ACLU advancing its positions, and if there is any blame, it is not attached to the ACLU but lies with the legislatures and the courts which indulge their arguments. They are due a hearing as the &quot;birthers&quot; should be both in regard to natural birth and renunciation of citizenshipby Obama, a hearing  regardless of the ultimate finding. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 
 
I would, however. like to see ACLU types picketing and otherwise demonstrating outside the courtroom where these folks are being tried. They should declare that our ritualistic manner of finding &quot;guilt&quot; has been compromised, and that the murderous malefactors should be released.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to wonder just what the adminisration is seeking to accomplish with this initiative. If &quot;the law&quot; of the forum were applied to the cases of these &quot;detainees&quot; then the egregious actions of the government would be a basis for dismissal. Aren&#039;t these folks entitled to &quot;a speedy trial?&quot; Since they are being tried under U.S. civilian criminal law, a judge who followed the law would be required to dismiss charges against them.</p>
<p>Of course, then the Obama-ites would play the blame game and try to blame the judge for following the law. Oh wait. Considering this matter is below Obama&#039;s pay grade and has been delegated to Holder, plausible deniability is at work, so Obama would not be in any way culpable.</p>
<p>But our courts have run amok. They use specious procedural devices to avoid entering into the political arena by refusing to consider purported &quot;facts&quot; concerning the citizenship issue regarding Obama. They allege that Barry Soetero received scholarship money for which he applied as a foreign national. If this were true, then whether this would affect his eligibility to occupy the office of President is problematical, and should eleicit a ruling. Some stare decisis please. That&#039;s what you guys are supposed to do, isn&#039;t it? The courts have refused to address this matter and probably will avoid applying the applicable law in the cases of the terrorists to provide cover for the administration. </p>
<p>But if Obama truly wants to demonstrate the &quot;fairness&quot; of the U.S. system or jurisprudence, then most assuredly these malefactors must be released as all of the facts concerning all of the possible charges against them have been in the hands of the government for years. Wait, didn&#039;t Obama or was it Holder, publicly announce that the terrorists would never be freed regardless of the court ruling. Does that demonstrate a ritualistic system that abides by its tenets? No. If anything it would indicate a rigged system. Habeus corpus anyone?</p>
<p>I certainly have no problem with the ACLU advancing its positions, and if there is any blame, it is not attached to the ACLU but lies with the legislatures and the courts which indulge their arguments. They are due a hearing as the &quot;birthers&quot; should be both in regard to natural birth and renunciation of citizenshipby Obama, a hearing  regardless of the ultimate finding. </p>
<p>I would, however. like to see ACLU types picketing and otherwise demonstrating outside the courtroom where these folks are being tried. They should declare that our ritualistic manner of finding &quot;guilt&quot; has been compromised, and that the murderous malefactors should be released.</p>
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		<title>By: El_Gordo</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/11/15/another-911-travesty/comment-page-2/#comment-1044322</link>
		<dc:creator>El_Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holder said it will be &quot;trial of the century&quot;. He actually used these words. Classy, eh?  
 
If the idea is to turn this into an international show trial of Bush administration officials with an added bonus of  furthering their transnational agenda - as seems the only remotely logical explanation - well, I don&#180;t think it will work. They are on a path that&#180;s going to explode. It may be a disaster for justice, but there&#180;s NO WAY the Obama administration will benefit from it.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holder said it will be &quot;trial of the century&quot;. He actually used these words. Classy, eh?  </p>
<p>If the idea is to turn this into an international show trial of Bush administration officials with an added bonus of  furthering their transnational agenda &#8211; as seems the only remotely logical explanation &#8211; well, I don&acute;t think it will work. They are on a path that&acute;s going to explode. It may be a disaster for justice, but there&acute;s NO WAY the Obama administration will benefit from it.</p>
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		<title>By: El_Gordo</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/11/15/another-911-travesty/comment-page-1/#comment-1044290</link>
		<dc:creator>El_Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;He seems more worried about how America appears to the rest of the world.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Yes, after doing his utmost to make it look bad before he became President. For example by loudly denouncing policies he kept in place later once it was his call. Some people say that this speaks for him, but the damage to our reputation is done. He is increasing his stature at our expense. He will never defend anything we did &lt;i&gt;ante Obama.&lt;/i&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;He seems more worried about how America appears to the rest of the world.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>Yes, after doing his utmost to make it look bad before he became President. For example by loudly denouncing policies he kept in place later once it was his call. Some people say that this speaks for him, but the damage to our reputation is done. He is increasing his stature at our expense. He will never defend anything we did <i>ante Obama.</i></p>
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		<title>By: El_Gordo</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/11/15/another-911-travesty/comment-page-1/#comment-1044238</link>
		<dc:creator>El_Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;All he has is that he&#039;s not Bush.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
The election of Obama proved that &lt;i&gt;you can&lt;/i&gt; beat something with nothing.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;All he has is that he&#039;s not Bush.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>The election of Obama proved that <i>you can</i> beat something with nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: El_Gordo</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/11/15/another-911-travesty/comment-page-1/#comment-1044214</link>
		<dc:creator>El_Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they are not worth their salt. It&#180;s about race, too. They are scared of making fun of the first black President. Obviously if ridicule of Obama were simply at the normal level that used to be reserved for Presidents like Bush I and Clinton, it would be impossible for the White House to do anything about it.  
It wouldn&#180;t stay at the normal level, though, because Obama is so unbelievably blinkered and inexperienced and arrogant at the same time.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they are not worth their salt. It&acute;s about race, too. They are scared of making fun of the first black President. Obviously if ridicule of Obama were simply at the normal level that used to be reserved for Presidents like Bush I and Clinton, it would be impossible for the White House to do anything about it.<br />
It wouldn&acute;t stay at the normal level, though, because Obama is so unbelievably blinkered and inexperienced and arrogant at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasRancher</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/11/15/another-911-travesty/comment-page-1/#comment-1043758</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasRancher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why good people who love America, just don&#039;t understand what is going on.  The only way they can explain it to themselves is to think Obama and his Marxist crowd are making mistakes and doing &quot;dumb&quot; things, which they will come to regret. 
 
I believe what is happening to our country has been in the planning stages for a long, long time.  And that  Obama is a convenient, politically correct puppet, chosen for his true ideology and willingness to carry out orders. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s why good people who love America, just don&#039;t understand what is going on.  The only way they can explain it to themselves is to think Obama and his Marxist crowd are making mistakes and doing &quot;dumb&quot; things, which they will come to regret. </p>
<p>I believe what is happening to our country has been in the planning stages for a long, long time.  And that  Obama is a convenient, politically correct puppet, chosen for his true ideology and willingness to carry out orders.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasRancher</title>
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		<dc:creator>TexasRancher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, man...I had forgotten about Holder&#039;s firm representing a lot of the terrorists.  It really is a lot of work connecting the dots...because there are SO MANY FREAKIN&#039; DOTS! 
 
It&#039;s scary to know that the majority of voters will not take the time to do that, and believe what the lyin&#039; fringe media spoons out. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, man&#8230;I had forgotten about Holder&#039;s firm representing a lot of the terrorists.  It really is a lot of work connecting the dots&#8230;because there are SO MANY FREAKIN&#039; DOTS! </p>
<p>It&#039;s scary to know that the majority of voters will not take the time to do that, and believe what the lyin&#039; fringe media spoons out.</p>
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		<title>By: wonder_all</title>
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		<dc:creator>wonder_all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9-11 happened because Bush (meaning the Federal Gov&#039;t) along with most of the Intelligence community, the FCC and many systems of national security had disjointed lines of communication and protocols.  I can&#039;t be the only one who remembers that in the after math of 9-11 we found out just how outmoded the lines of communication between even the CIA and FBI--not to mention the FCC--were?  It was embarrassing. 
 
Sure, Bush can be criticized for not addressing this issue in his first 10 months of office. Then again, Clinton had 8 years to address it and, well, that didn&#039;t happen.  I&#039;m not excusing Bush just illustrating the pre-9-11 mentality of our gov&#039;t. 
 
On the other hand, it can&#039;t be denied that there wasn&#039;t another Terrorist attack on US soil after 9-11 during the Bush years.  This is not revisionist.  It is just plain fact.  Like Bush&#039;s tactics or not--I&#039;m in the middle--something he did put the battle back into the region of the world that supported and bred the people who attacked us on 9-11.  That is a good thing, no? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9-11 happened because Bush (meaning the Federal Gov&#039;t) along with most of the Intelligence community, the FCC and many systems of national security had disjointed lines of communication and protocols.  I can&#039;t be the only one who remembers that in the after math of 9-11 we found out just how outmoded the lines of communication between even the CIA and FBI&#8211;not to mention the FCC&#8211;were?  It was embarrassing. </p>
<p>Sure, Bush can be criticized for not addressing this issue in his first 10 months of office. Then again, Clinton had 8 years to address it and, well, that didn&#039;t happen.  I&#039;m not excusing Bush just illustrating the pre-9-11 mentality of our gov&#039;t. </p>
<p>On the other hand, it can&#039;t be denied that there wasn&#039;t another Terrorist attack on US soil after 9-11 during the Bush years.  This is not revisionist.  It is just plain fact.  Like Bush&#039;s tactics or not&#8211;I&#039;m in the middle&#8211;something he did put the battle back into the region of the world that supported and bred the people who attacked us on 9-11.  That is a good thing, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry_Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry_Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: Why is Senator Durbin (D - IL)  so enthusiastically advocating  
for terrorist detainees to be  moved to his homestate? 
 
A: If they are executed, they will be able to vote there. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: Why is Senator Durbin (D &#8211; IL)  so enthusiastically advocating<br />
for terrorist detainees to be  moved to his homestate? </p>
<p>A: If they are executed, they will be able to vote there.</p>
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