Why Can’t Conservatives Sign On to ObamaCare?
by Frank DeMartiniIt is now the dog days of summer and Congress is about to go back to work. The Groundswell by the Democrats during the month of August was a complete failure. President Obama’s approval numbers are on a steady downward slide. And yet, the Democrats insist on passing this Obamanation that is more commonly known as HR 3200.
The President has just announced that he will try a more formal sell to Congress on September 9th. Will this work more than the last press conference in which he appeared to have no idea what he was trying to sell? Will it be more successful than his appeal to religious leaders last week? Or, will this be the final death knell in the partisan attempt at Health Care Reform? Only time will tell.

However, the tide has definitely turned against the Democrats. More than 50% of the country on the whole and in some parts of the electorate, way more than 50% are against the current bill and its companion bills both in the House and Senate. Why? Because Republicans and even moderate Democrats cannot stomach what is contained in them.
My last article was about the need for bipartisanship and debate in Congress. I still feel that way but I do not see it happening. In fact, both sides are digging their heels in and getting ready for the tug of war. At this point, it is not about whose solution is better, it seems to be about which side will win.
HR 3200 and its progeny are disasters. It seems that everyone except the far left agrees on this. In this article, I will analyze issues that I feel are wrong with those bills and why almost the entire populace is rallying against them.
To begin with, the public option has to go. All moderates and conservatives agree. It is bad public policy and it is bad for America. The minute you put the public option into play, all private insurance companies will be driven out of business and we will have socialized health care which is the goal of the far left anyway. Once we have socialized health care, the parade of horribles begins. This includes rationing of health care, lack of choice and skyrocketing taxes.
However, if you regulate the current insurance industry, you will promote competition in the private sector and drive down prices. This is the whole theory behind the anti-trust laws in the United States. (By the way, regulation, however bad it is for the free market is better than the alternative). The more competitive the private sector becomes, the lower the cost of health insurance will be. Further, if you compel the entire population to become insured either through better tax credits for individuals and/or employers, regular market forces will naturally drive down the cost of insurance.
Secondly, abortion must be specifically excluded from any proposed legislation. The general public must not be forced to fund an elective procedure. Say what you will about your stance on abortion, but it is an elective procedure unless the health of the mother is in jeopardy. Then, it is a medical necessity and it is a whole different ball game.
President Obama, during his appeal to the religious community last week, contacted Catholic Bishops and Leaders. He impressed upon them the need for health care reform. They unilaterally rejected his pleas. Why? Because, of the abortion issue. The entire Catholic community believes that health care for everyone is a basic human right. However, until the abortion issue is addressed, neither the Catholic Church, nor any other conservative religious organization is going to lobby their followers for ObamaCare.
Just as an aside, Obama is beginning to show how much of an old fashioned politician he really is. He ran on the basis of change. During the campaign, he argued that America is no longer a Christian nation and that people cling to their religion when they are unhappy about their lives. Now, that he needs religion to help his cause, he goes running to religion. This is not change. He is a hypocrite!
The next issue is very controversial and, unfortunately, it is also a monetary one. Public money in any way, shape or form, must not be used to fund medical care for illegal immigrants. I know people from the far left are going to call me a racist and a heartless bastard. Believe me, I am not. But, if we are going to bankrupt this country with this level of major health care reform, it should only be for legal, taxpaying citizens and those holding valid visas.
I am not saying that someone lying on the street bleeding to death should not receive emergency treatment because they are illegally here. The law already states that everyone with a true emergency must be treated. All I am saying is that basic health care that is not a true emergency should not be afforded to illegal aliens. They are many people in this country that have come here properly. They should be entitled to the benefits of citizens. The rest should not.
Fourth, a plan must be developed that is revenue neutral. We cannot mortgage our children’s future any longer. If no one can come up with a way to pay for this plan without destroying the economy in the process, then there should be no plan at all. Some of the top minds in this country are in Washington right now trying to put a plan together. Let them find a way to fund it without it increasing the debt by over one trillion dollars in the next ten years.
Lastly, there should be no tax penalty for employers who do not want to provide health insurance and individuals who do not want to be insured. If a company provides health insurance, there should be tax benefits for providing it. There should be no penalty for not doing so. If an individual does not want insurance, that is a personal choice. There are many people under 30 who simply do not want to be covered. Likewise, there are many rich people that would rather be self insured and pay the medical bills themselves.
I keep hearing from many sources that the Republicans have no solutions and are just trying to kill health reform to put Obama to shame. That is not true. There are many Republican points on health care that are frankly, just being ignored by the Democrats. Among them are Tort Reform to lower medical malpractice premiums and bring medical costs down; and better tax benefits for health insurance at both the employer and individual level.
Let the Democrat Congress deal with the issues set forth herein and a bipartisan bill will be enacted. If they do not and decide to continue going it alone, the effects of that will be felt by them in 2010. Of course, that might not be all that bad. The Republicans will get control of the House and Senate again!






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This makes a lot of sense. Too bad the democrats have none and The People know it.
"The entire Catholic community believes that health care for everyone is a basic human right."
Please don't put words in my mouth, thank you. I won't pretend to speak for all Catholics, but please don't assume that because Catholics have some, I'll just generally call them "humanitarian," beliefs, we believe health care is a right. For me and others I know, opposing this bill is not just about abortion issues. Part of the faith is the freedom of helping someone personally, not involuntarily being taxed to help someone via a vast impersonal bureaucracy. Again not speaking for everyone, some of us believe in limited government too.
Democrat and common sense in the same sentence is an oxymoron, emphasis on moron.
Mr. DeMartini: Did you leave out legal/mitigation/tort reform for any particular reason? Unnecessary lawsuits jack up the price of health care prices from 15-25%. Why did you leave this out? Just curious. Other than that, I agree with what you're saying.
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This is not about health care, never was. This is about who's doctrine will govern the American people. Same thing with the Cap & Trade, card check and immigration. If two of the three pass in current form, we will become a one party doctrine nation. Perhaps even if just one passes, the scale will tip to the point where we have more voters taking than giving. A free state can not exist in that environment and we will fall into Anarchy, followed by a Dictatorship. Game over.
"This is not change. He is a hypocrite!"
Well he is a Progressive, so of course he must be a hypocrite. No other type of Progressive.
I'm another limited government Catholic. The welfare, nanny state has done more to undermine Catholic values than to promote them.
Has "stupid" in this free nation reached critical mass? Will the American people lose their freedom because they want Mom and Pop government to protect them with training wheels and curfews? Only 2010 will tell. If the tide doesn't turn then, there is no way I can think of to save this nation in 2012. We put Obama in office of all things and people still think he is the best president eva' in history. His numbers might have gone down, but he should be in the 30s with who he surrounds himself with and the failures of his administration.
With regard to HR3200, the whole bill should be trashed, because there is so much in those 1100+ pages that have nothing to do with reform, and everything to do with government control of the populace.
The little creepy-crawly things such as 'end of life' counseling wouldn't keep coming to the surface if this bill were such an outstanding work. Instead it is a real 'piece of work'.
We don't trust the Congress!
We damn sure don't trust Obama!
Burn HR3200 completely!
Life saving emergency care for most folks in the US is already available, even if they are here illegally. You may or may not think that is a good thing, Catholic or otherwise.
Moving from that situation to INSURANCE coverage for all residents is quite another thing. So, if health insurance is a right of all residents of the US, this presumes that the Feds are required to build a system to implement that right and to pay for it.
Lets look at this logic. Housing has not been declared a basic human right. Food has not been declared a BHR. Nor, has clothing.
So, we have homeless beggars looking for food and sleeping in boxes, and this happens all over the US.
Hmm. tell them about the insurance issue again? Is THIS the most urgent BHR issue out there?
Lets get back to basics here. To add insurance coverage for 45 M people will cost money, lots of money.
Who wants to be the first to open the checkbook?
I mean your OWN checkbook, so one else's checkbook.
Please review the final two paragraphs of the article. It's there.
This is not about health care, it's about control. In fact, if you wanted to fix 99 percent of the problems in America today, you'd simply get the federal government out of the way, and, quicker than you can say Jack Robinson, America would shrug off the malignancy of socialism, reclaiming her luster and greatness.
Are you referring to "Among them are Tort Reform…."? I was referring to your five main points. It's(tort reform) there, but not there "enough".
Reduce the threat of unwarranted lawsuits(player pays if they lose?) hanging over most medical professionals and see what happens to costs and quality of care.
The main point of the article addresses the problems with HR 3200. The Republican positions are a footnote. I wholeheartedly believe that Tort Reform and the ability to sell between states are great ideas. However, they are not the issues that I was addressing in the article. If I wanted to tear apart HR 3200, this would be a 20-30 page article. My main point was just to address key issues. There is also a serious issue regarding the IRS control of Health Care in HR 3200. This will be addressed in a whole new article.
I understand. Thanks for explaining in more detail.
Tort Reform will NEVER happen because law makers of both parties are themselves 'lawyers' and law of self-preservation prevails. Here's a thought. If Democrats insist on forcing everyone to be provided with 'healthcare' otherwise IRS will have authority to punish you, then why not just pay for Malpractice insurance premiums for doctors? I bet you, that will be way, way cheaper. Any chance of someone helping the doctors? Absolutely not, because Dems want to punish everyone in society who 'produces' something! I can dream, can't I (at least that is not taxed. Yet.)
As a side note, if these Dems are so against capitalism then how about they taking the initiative and donating their wealth for the welfare of the under-privileged and living like a common man. These Hollywood stars, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, Kennedys can only talk because it gives them the authority/power over the lives of others. Pure and simple.
These pathetic liberals have no interest in compromise. They will not give up on this either. They will do anything to pass this bill, including out right lying to the public. None of them cares about our health. They care about POWER over the masses and that is all. We must resist every bill these democrats try to pass until we have removed them from office one way or another.
Same here. In fact, my entire Catholic family (as well as my husband) do not agree that healthcare is a right. It's really pathetic, because it is a fact that conservatives are more charitable and volunteer more than do liberals, but the left wants to spin it around the other way. We donate to the needy, they donate to the Endowment for the Arts and rhe like. Then they have the nerve to use the poor to further their agenda.
To paraphrase someone else, what we are seeing throughout the nation is an outbreak of common sense.
Americans are rejecting health care, cap and trade, et.al., on the lack of merit. If a dog has rabies, you don't put a flea collar on it to cure it. You put it to rest.
It's time for the health care bill to be scrapped completely and eat this elephant one bite at a time. First bite, deal with illegals who are a major portion of hospital and medical woes. Then, tort reform.__
That is what I have been saying too.. If things don't go good in 2010, we're doomed.
"Why Can’t Conservatives Sign On to ObamaCare?"
Its crap. And it won't improve with these idiots.
"it is not about whose solution is better, it seems to be about which side will win." This issue has to be about "which side will win." President Obama and the Democratic Congress are not talking about fine tuning or tweaking health care to make it better, more effecient etc. If this were the case I am sure there could be bi-partisan negotions and compromises…( of course for Liberals.. compromise is doing it there way only.) Hower, The President and Congress are proposing a radical change that would forevever change the face America under the guise of healtcare. At stake is our liberty which has been slowly washing away from government programs and judicial activism. If the Democats and Obama win healthcare, Americans lose.
There cannot be a bi- partisan bill because the Republicans are in total thrall to the health insurance industry, and regretably , some of the D's are as well. A Public Option with strict regulation of insurance providers comparable to public utility regulation such as France or Switzerland is important for real improvements in coverage and cost. The socialized medical system we have, the VA, delivers care above the norm and at lower cost. Medicare , a single payer , has been successful and can be managed as to its financial issues in the future. However, in regard to private business, what private business buys at the highest non negotiated cost? The republican Medicare drug plan, the pharmaceutical industry enrichment plan .
Good but can't we reduce the insurance costs if there is 'Tort Reform'?
1. Yeah, republicans are in "total thrall" to the pharms. Right. That's why Obama and Waxman have promised them not to get hit and that's why the pharms are/were planning on running ads PRO ObamaCare.
2. Strict government regulation of insurance providers is partially responsible for the mess we are in now.
3. The VA delivers care above the norm? What planet you from, dude?
4. Medicare has been successful? It depends on what the definition of is is, right.
I see he picked a date his boss loves, just turn the numbers upside down 9/9/09.
My friends who want healtchare reform and want the public option are all in favor of government healthcare. They say we're the only nation that doesn't have it, which makes me feel like they don't want to be American in practice only as an arbitrary designation of place of origin. They are the same people who like to think Americans are stupid. I think they're caught up in a negative thought pattern and that's why I always try to couch my arguments now in terms of what I want and I'm in favor of.
How does it help anyone to implement a system where everyone except the extremely wealthy (who can afford to leave the country for medical care) will have to wait 6-12 months for an MRI, or 5 months for surgery for bladder cancer, or 18 months to see an orthopedist? That is what a single-payer system will result in. Just look at Canada. 5 million of our 33 million citizens don't have family doctors, who are the gatekeepers to every medical specialist, thanks to government control and cost-cutting
I suggest that next we enact instead of a healthcare bill, how about a Lawyercare bill where most of these Washington liberal lawyers get a "taste" of their own medicine!!! ( Actually it would affect all lawyers nation wide. How about LawyerCare HR3201. We need some real rules about their conduct and less about our doctors. I am all for interstate searches for insurance and tort reform. Tort reform is alive and well in Texas. Then last but not least lets put out a bill which now states that those in Congress no longer have a special health care package except when they are serving. Once out of Congress and hopefully with term limits, they get to look for their own insurance like the rest of us. I did have an idea….not sure it would work but I believe that if each individual had to go and get their own health care like car insurance and auto insurance, the insurance companies would be out of business ( no company care anymore) and would feverishly be hunting down potential clients offering a "really good deal" since competition would be the name of the game. Just an idea. Babs in Texas
Frank! Stop making sense!
Tort reform? The double standards on this issue alone stack so high it could have held back the storm surge from Katrina. The grossly ambiguous language in HR3200 is a lawyer's wet dream. It seems rather than tort reform that their objective is to increase the volume of legal activity.
And as long as lawyers and administrators get to increase their cut off the top of the health care pie we as a nation will continue to spiral into a tightly woven knot.
"My last article was about the need for bipartisanship and debate in Congress. I still feel that way but I do not see it happening"…
Only a complete fool or a total knave would even remotely consider debating anything with those SEDITIOUS PARASITES called Democrats…
Is Frank Martini some sort of ovulating, bedwetting libtard?
I agree with you – I'm a bible believing Christian and do not want the government deciding for me how to spent our tax dollars. I am personally responsible for sharing what we have. I want to be involved in the decision of where my contributions go to help the poor, disadvanted and lost of this world. Besides, I am not in favor of this particular health care reform bill being passed. After all the complaints of our Senators not reading the bill, many still have not done so. It seems the public has familiarized themselves more with the bill that they have. So much for representing our concerns, etc. I do not believe we can afford such an upheaval in spending in light of the amount of money we now owe for the stimulus packages. What are these people thinking!!
absolutely…we have an insane leftist Bishop that is totally out of touch with reality here in West Texas…he's a borderline Marxist…
If I'm EVER going to subscribe to any sort of "reform" bill, there's going to be the word "tort" in front of it.
It could happen… …but only if the people rise up and put in place a Constitutional Amendment barring those in the legal professions from being elected to the legislature.
That's really true. America is by far the most generous nation on earth yet we slammed by other nations and now it has spread to our very own government. Obama and company wish to ride the backs of various *victim* groups into perpetual power just as they have done in Europe.
"However, if you regulate the current insurance industry, you will promote competition in the private sector and drive down prices. [...] Further, if you compel the entire population to become insured either through better tax credits for individuals and/or employers, regular market forces will naturally drive down the cost of insurance. "
I'm sorry, but these statements could not be more wrong.
Regulation of the insurance industry, both at the state and federal level, has hampered competition rather than encouraging it. Insurance has become tied to one's employer, rather than being offered freely to individuals and families. Market forces have been completely taken out of the equation.
And you don't "compel" anything in a free market. Compelling people to purchase insurance will create artificial demand where there currently isn't any; increased demand without increased supply causes prices to rise. Compelling insurance companies to cover people they would not normally cover increases the cost to the rest of their customers.
Does anyone else think Barry will use 9/11 to promote his health scare scam?
"As we approach the anniversary of this great tragedy, we should note how many more could have been saved if…"
"But there is a greater tragedy going on right now in our great country, with far greater numbers of casualties…"
Nice article Frank, and I agree with you on almost every point. However, I disagree that compelling everyone to get insured will naturally drive down the costs of insurance. They made that argument for mandatory car insurance here in California. Needless to say, rates never decreased. By having to insure the most undesirable or unhealthy in our society, that will only raise costs and the demands on existing resources. This is a fundamental flaw in liberal thinking.
Lastly, I never here anyone talk about the incentives free healthcare will pose to illegal immigrants. If this many illegal aliens are willing to come to this country for financial benefits now, how man more will be enticed to come here illegally for LIFE-SAVING free healthcare? I think there are more than a few parents and others south of the border who will risk the perils involved to come here to save their own lives or those of their children .
Nice article Frank, and I agree with you on almost every point. However, I disagree that compelling everyone to get insured will naturally drive down the costs of insurance. They made that argument for mandatory car insurance here in California. Needless to say, rates never decreased. By having to insure the most undesirable or unhealthy in our society, that will only raise costs and the demands on existing resources. This is a fundamental flaw in liberal thinking.
Lastly, I never hear anyone talk about the incentives free healthcare will pose to illegal immigrants. If this many illegal aliens are willing to come to this country for financial benefits now, how man more will be enticed to come here illegally for LIFE-SAVING free healthcare? I think there are more than a few parents and others south of the border who will risk the perils involved to come here to save their own lives or those of their children .
the truth of the matter is this: right now the Republicans don't have the political capital to hold up a lunch order, much less a piece of legislation. So if The One is having trouble getting his agenda through congress..it's because of Democrats…period. If they want this ridiculous bill, then they should pass it, own it, and then understand when they come up for reelection why they no longer have a job.
"The socialized medical system we have, the VA, delivers care above the norm and at lower cost"
You lying sack of shit! How DARE you tell such a lie within earshot of one whose father was KILLED by VA malpractice, and whose final weeks were spent in agony thanks to callous, lazy unaccountable government nurses!
Get this straight, socialist assclown: pay your own goddamn doctor bills, and don't force Soviet grade shit care on me.
The thing is, it's only when you work together that things actually get done for the benefit of everyone. When you have two (or more) distinctly different schools of thought, the only way to make everybody happy is to compromise. Doing so is not a sign of weakness.
You know, aside from differences in writing styles, I could have written this article. Every argument you make, every solution you offer, I've supported all summer long. Hear, hear!
As Reagan found out, no matter what promises are made, you cannot count on Democrats to cut any spending whatsoever. Except defense, sometimes.
Well, the centerpiece of funding it was taking about $600 billion for ten years from Medicare and Medicaid. So, let's see if the Democrats can be trusted to do that. After all, it was supposed to be painless, no impact on care. Let them pass that alone, to prove they can do it, and see what the impact will be. And see how many of the elderly and poor will ever again vote Democrat.
So-called conservatives can't sign on to universal health insurance because they are not conservatives, they are neo-cons, and they worship money…and there's plenty of money to be pillaged from the sick & injured in America, as long as they can stop that pesky idea of cost control from taking root.
They have a lot of honest, hardworking dupes they've dragged along by wrapping themselves in the flag, and flattering them with the title of "patriot", if they will unknowingly sell out their fellow Americans and support multi-million dollor per year CEO's and their cherry-picking profiteering
Until they themselves are laid off, or try to become self-employed, or develop a medical condition that precludes them from buying insurance, they will not understand what it means to be "thrown away" by their own country, and to be considered "expendable".
Let me guess, recent college grad, can't find a job?
Doesn't fit the endgame of the Dems, which is to put more people on the government dole and to provide amnesty for illegals because they feel it will benefit them politically. Lets face it. the libs could care less about REAL reform and any compromise with them will be disingenious and futile.
Go for it my brother – you and I are both dreamers …. If you rub for office – at least you will have one vote!
I'm a moderate conservative that votes Democrat on a local level fairly often, I hold down a full-time job, I pay my bills on time, and I'm in pretty good health, considering I haven't been to a doctor in three or four years. I don't currently have health insurance, because it's not offered by my employer and after I buy my groceries and gas, and make my rent, car, phone, credit card, internet and utility payments, I can't afford another $100 a month for insurance.
And I am 100% dead-set against this bill.
How do you explain me, then?
You know what you need Scortch, a good cry. You go ahead we’ll look the other way, so you can have a little dignity. …okay you better know, good, …now, “GO GET A JOB!” or two if need be…
Apparently you don't know any vets and their description of what care they recieve. Underfunded, over paperworked, some dedicated professionals carrying the rest, oh, and no right to sue when they make mistakes. Yeah, that's a sterling example of what I'd like to sign up for.
They are Marxists IMHO.
Social Justice (AKA Marxism) has run rampant in all branches of Christianity and Judaism. The one thing I would say is that there is absolutely NO biblical precedence for the Government helping people. Even the Old Testament was calling on the INDIVIDUAL to help, not the Government to take from the productive and enslave the non-productive in failed welfare programs.
I think all religious persons need to fight the social justice crowd with biblical precedence, because clearly the fact that people on welfare RARELY escape the clutches of government "welfare".
http://clearthehaze.blogspot.com/
I posted on this topic on my blog about a month ago….
Yes, without bread lines for all, why should you need health care lines for all. If health care is a right then food must also be a right. Then we must have air conditioned and heated sleeping and living quarters for all to prep our food and get our medically needed rest. So electric, gas, and water must be provided for all. And you must have information so cable TV and Internet must provided. So TV's for all along with computers for all. It is a true Progressive dream. Who needs a job, stick it to the man. Let the Federal employes pay for it all!
And how much spending did St. Reagan cut? Oh, right. None.
OMG ITS ITS ITS THE SUCCUBUS!! RUN RUN RUN! Show a photo of Black Nan and thats my response!
Why do we trust anyone from DC or anyone who they call an "expert"? They got us into this mess with all their "expertise."
I am Catholic as well and I agree with NickV3. What we believe in is charity. It's much better than government mandated Robin Hood style forced charity because the Church asks nothing from you except that you do it out of the goodness in your heart. What truly bothers non-Christians is the fear that somehow this will open the door to more non-Christians becoming Christians and worshiping God instead the Government,
Paging Neville Chamberlain…. please pick up the white courtesy phone.
No ~honest~ healthcare bill is possible WITHOUT tort reform…."because there cannot be a bi-partisan bill because the DemocratSS are in total thrall (what? usage) to the trial lawyer extortion industry…"
the DemocratSS are complete hypocrites opting themselves OUT of changes and attempting to hi-jack a private industry…
AMEN, and God Bless your father (my Dad is a retired pilot Vietnam-era pilot with combat time) and we WILL defeat these socialist pigs and take back our country.
How much is HuffPo paying to disseminate inacurate liberal propaganda? What $6.50, $7.00 an hour?
absolutely…DemocratSS will agree to that when Bwarney bangs a babe (a female babe)…
Straight forward and reasonable arguments! Thank you Frank.
Not too long ago I had lunch with some democrats, seniors at that, and one of them said, "How can people be against a president who's just trying to help people… they must be racist". After a few strongly worded comments about the costs of these plans, he dropped the subject.
I think public support for this is dropping simply for this reason: Obama says if you like you're healthcare it won't change. The majority of people like their healthcare. So they're being asked to spend a trillion dollars but it won't change anything in their lives. So best case scenario, nothing happens. Anything besides best case scenario (cause when does government do anything right?) means competitive forces from the public option will force them into the government plan and the possible rationing of care.
No plus side, and a whole lot of possible downside… You basically have to be a left wing ideologue to support the plan.
The next time I hear liberals saying that they're the ones practicing true Christian morality, because they want to help the poor and needy rather than bicker about abortion and gay marriage, I just might puke.
Are you kidding? No self-respecting liberal would deign to take on this work for a thing like minimum wage. If it can't bring in fifteen or twenty dollars an hour or more, what's the point? Talking about it's one thing, living it's another.
And somewhere off in HuffPo land, one can hear a little poodle whimpering. No wonder he didn't dare reply.
To quote a great country song: "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything."
who is Black Nan?????
Hmm whose photo is linked to this blog post? Standing in front of the flags? Think….who would I be referring to? And if you are wondering where the term came from call the English people circa 1532….they called Anne Bolyen that…..Now think who would I be referring to.
Exactly! Like, if she insists on a condom, and he doesn't want to wear one, they can compromise on half a condom, right?
"I think public support for this is dropping simply for this reason: Obama says if you like you're healthcare it won't change. The majority of people like their healthcare. So they're being asked to spend a trillion dollars but it won't change anything in their lives. So best case scenario, nothing happens."
Succinctly brilliant.
Let me guess: you think Mikey Moore's fantasy films are real, don't you?
The Leftists are so afraid of trial lawyers they refuse to include Tort reform in the healthcare debates. I have one simple question – What role do lawyers, tort or otherwise, play in a Socialist country????
Thank you!
Well, after l'affaire Jones, now we know what Bambi means by 'bipartisan'- the Democrat Party, and the Communist Party.
Well, after l'affaire Jones, now we know what Bambi means by 'bipartisan'- the Democrat Party, working together with the Communist Party.
"The thing is, it's only when you work together that things actually get done for the benefit of everyone. When you have two (or more) distinctly different schools of thought, the only way to make everybody happy is to compromise"
Indeed! Like if she insists on a condom, and he doesn't want to wear one, they can compromise on half a condom, right?
"Say what you will about your stance on abortion, but it is an elective procedure unless the health of the mother is in jeopardy. Then, it is a medical necessity and it is a whole different ball game."
With respect, Mr. DeMartini, that statement as it stands is a load of crap.
The "health of the mother" may be jeopardized by a viable fetus, in which case the indicated procedure is not an abortion but a C-section.
Also, as repeatedly demonstrated by George Tiller's practice, in the majority of abortion cases the "health of the mother" refers exclusively to her MENTAL health and has nothing whatever to do with physical risk factors attendant to the pregnancy.
Only a small percentage of pregnancies are terminated due to legitimate physical risk to the mother's life.
Thank you, Jamesb. My dad too was retired career and a Vietnam combat pilot (Navy, A-4 Skyhawks). He deserved better from his government. Long life and health to your father.
Yup! Good old Tip O'Neil promised to cut, never did, so Reagan didn't get to sign any cuts. See, even a liberal troll like you knows Democrats can't be trusted.
The Fall of the Roman Empire began when the leadership worked more toward their reelection than toward the good of the country. Needless to say this began along time ago so all we have to wait for is the actual fall. It is time to take back our country and hope that we are not past the event horizon of this event. A "COMPLETE" change is our only option at this point and this change has to be the removal of those out for themselves and a return of farmers, workers and military vets as our representatives..
Democrats will never support tort reform; money talks!
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I think Jesus does not talk about rights. When he said, "Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me," he was not saying that the least had rights, but telling his followers what they must do if they are not to be cursed and depart from him into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. So freedom is freedom is freedom from sin. This does not imply any philosophy regarding the State, though the Epistles appear to imply a certain submissiveness to the State, which was the pagan Roman Empire. Of course, that was then, and Christians have had 2000 years' practice putting the Bible to their own purposes. "What would Jesus have done?" is perhaps not helpful, since he performed miracles. Perhaps better is, "What have the saints done?" And perhaps best, "Who are the saints of today?"
I am sorry to hear about your father, Bohemond. I am in the Naval Reserves and I did some active duty time as an Aviation Ordnanceman. I know how the beurocrats have hijacked the VA system and don't give a damn about your "problems." I agree with you 100%, I do not wish this type of healthcare on my worst enemies. Do you want to know what is even more disturbing? VA healthcare is watered down compared to this load of crap they call H.R. 3200. Again, I am sorry to hear about you loss.
Outstanding article Mr. Demartini, and 100% accurate.
Mary Poppins?
…and ID is still playing "hide the comment"…
Oh, that's an easy one. More government, more laws, more need to pay people to navigate them for you. Lawyers need to specialize, and especially in complex areas like taxes you have lots of sub-specialties, lots of research staff, even supervising lawyers in increasing layers of management. And Congress is packed with lawyers who write laws for other lawyers to interpret, increasing the need for lawyers.
It is getting to the point where the government will be asked to provide lawyers for people for other than just criminal cases, which will be declared as only fair. Their rates will be set by other lawyers in government. A major reason we don't have that now is concern over how it will be payed for, which can cease being an issue with a socialist government.
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To echo just one other commentor, regulation does nothing but squelch competition. Invariably one of the regulated companys manages a foothold with the regulator and then uses the regulations to crush competition. Antitrust is not AT ALL about what you mention. Now, if the FTC can show that insurance companys are working together to fix prices, or costs between them then there is an antitrust issue. failing that kind of "fixing" coordination the natural law of capitalism will drive insurance companys to undercut each other to get more business from the marketplace. If every company drives the prices to 110% of nominal then the will be one smart insurance company that will eventually notice that if they cut prices/cost just a bit they will get more customers and thus more money. this is the essence of capitalism. These up and down cycles is how the free market finds the optimum between price/cost/service/merchandise so that the company will charge you just exactly what you are willing to pay and that no competitor can beat. THAT is what creates the most the most efficient and effective combination between cost and value and is a NATURAL LAW that will ALWAYS function. Works great until we either get regulation from outside bullies or collusion between service providers/manufacturers.
BTW, that is all Econ101, a little reading can be a powerful thing.
Oh, and lets not even START to discuss how inefficient it is to force people to purchase something they don't want at a price they don't want it. talk about distortion of market forces and COMPLETELY destroying competition. You mean well, I know, but please looking into the basics of economics.
Interesting idea, Sean… not one I've heard before.
Tom; I agree with you in every sense. I am speaking strictly of cases where the health of the mother is in jeopardy. If the baby is viable, a C-Section should be performed. However, in almost all of these cases, the public should not pay for abortion. Only in the small percentage where it is absolutely a medical necessity.
Thank you sir. I don't know about 100%, but I'll take 90%.
This government, at this point, seems incapable of taking a slow methodical approach to reform. Instead they continue to try and sell reform in the form of an "overhaul". I resent their trying to sell a bill under the guise of reform, just as much as I resent the idiots that voted for Obama under the guise of "change". This bill may be about reform but it is not the embodiment of reform and should not be packaged as such. These "leaders" believe they are being clever by creating these massive "comprehensive" bills that allow them to camouflage their pork and agenda items and then trying to ramrod them through. Every attempt to do so shows their willingness to circumvent the will of the people and they are in for a rude awakening when they finally realise we are paying attention and are not so easily duped after all.
Amen to that… I've been researching VA and Native American health care for a while now (since they are our own American socialized, government-run health care systems on a tiny, presumably manageable scale) and they are atrocious. With Native Americans, there is a saying, "Don't get sick after June," because the budgeted money has run out. VA benefits are a travesty. Socialized health care is falling like a house of cards in the UK and Canada, and France is showing real problems now, too.
Obama and his Chicago minions made a Keystone Kops comedy out of their blunders, with what should have been pretty simple, Cash for Clunkers (and let us not forget their royal screw up with Cash for Convicts). So, with NO successes under their belts, they want us to trust them to be able to get ObamaCare right? They've had seven DECADES to fix Indian health care, and about 40 or so years to fix Medicare. No thanks, Obama – you and Congress sign yourselves up for it, and once the kinks and bugs are worked out, I'll consider it. Although, based on government's track record of fixing anything they screwed up, I know I'll never have to make good on my offer.
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