Health Reform and the Tenth Amendment
by Frank DeMartiniHR 3200, the so-called health reform bill, in my opinion, is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever to be considered by Congress. It, not only, would lead us down the path of socialism but, in the process, would bankrupt the entire country. I am very happy to see that citizens are showing up at town hall meetings throughout the country and voicing their complaints about the bill and health care reform in general. It is actually quite funny watching Congressmen squirm when the tough questions are asked. And, it is even more interesting when they cannot respond to the tough questions because they have not read the bill or are even familiar with its contents.
I suggest you continue going to the town hall meetings and voice your concerns. And, do not be afraid to get angry. The Democrat and Republican Congressmen must know they will not be reelected if HR 3200 passes as it is currently written. But, please, do not get violent. Violence at these meetings will do nothing except make the opposition look weak and dumb, and hurt the path of democracy. Violence at these meetings is similar to me being called a racist this week because I stated on a public forum that HR 3200 should not pay for medical services for illegal immigrants. Remember the protest ways of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King.
The attendance at the town halls is working! Within the past twenty-four hours, a few Senate and House Members, including one Democrat, stated they will not pass a bill with the current language regarding even the possibility of the so called death panels. Keep up the good work America! The people are winning!
The power of the people brings to mind the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution which is very short, but is also one of the most controversial sections of the document. There are many people who believe that it is the primary cause of the Civil War: i.e. did the states, not the Federal Government have the right to determine whether to be slave or free? Ronald Reagan believed in the amendment more than anything else, as did Thomas Jefferson. It simply states in its entirety: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
There are many people that feel that the Constitution was already clear on this issue and that the Tenth Amendment is actually a redundancy. However, the Supreme Court has, within the last 25 years, actually used the Tenth Amendment as a rationale in deciding a few cases. See, e.g. New York v. United States, 505 U.S. 144 (1992), and Garcia v. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority (1985). Prior to these cases, the rationale used exclusively by the Supreme Court for limiting States’ rights was the Commerce Clause of the Constitution which is very simple on its face. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the Constitution states: “[The Congress shall have power] to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.” This simple phrase as interpreted by the Supreme Court has given Congress the authority to slowly strip away powers granted to the States specifically in the Constitution and through the Tenth Amendment. In its most simplistic form, the Supreme Court has determined that everything legislated by Congress has some effect on Interstate Commerce and therefore, is within the power of the Federal Government. Maybe, the Supreme Court is now changing its analysis?
So, will power come back to the States or the people in the future? If Ron Paul had been elected President, the answer would have definitely been yes. In fact, we would be looking at the end of the Federal Reserve too which is probably a good thing. But, unfortunately the answer is currently “no”. President Obama, through his executive powers and the use of Congress, is turning the Federal Government into the ultimate power. Health Care is just one example.
Any normal interpretation of the Tenth Amendment would imply that health care and its regulation should be a power reserved to the states and/or the people. This is also the case with marriage and other personal issues. However, by the power of the Commerce Clause, the Federal Government will be able to regulate it unless the Supreme Court radically changes precedent.
I wonder why no one is bringing up the Tenth Amendment at these town hall meetings. Maybe, people should start arguing it while they are mentioning the other problems with HR 3200. Give the power back to the people in deciding personal issues, including, but not limited to health care.
A few closing thoughts. In the last week, my favorite target, Nancy Pelosi, put her foot in her mouth again. How dare she say that citizens protesting HR 3200 are un-American. If anything, she is being un-American for making that statement. Remember, freedom of speech and assembly is a right in this country. I suggest Her Arrogance, Ms. Pelosi, read the Constitution before she opens her mouth in the future. We already know she is not going to read HR 3200 even though she allegedly drafted it. The least she can do is read the Constitution. In fact, it should be a requirement that all Congressmen have a copy of that little document in their pocket 24 hours a day. It is good reference material, especially when they’re thinking of violating it.
Lastly, I would like to state that one of the main proponents of the HR 3200 is Joe Sestak from Pennsylvania. For all of my readers in his district and surrounding districts in Pennsylvania, let him know his job is on the line. This man is thinking of running against Arlen Specter and has delusions of even greater power. I have seen him speak. He is a true liberal and must be stopped in the same way Nancy Pelosi and her other cronies must be stopped by voting them out of office.
On the economy, do not let the President’s propaganda machine fool you, this recession is definitely not over. In fact, it appears that we are in the first deflationary spiral in this country since the Great Depression. Based upon the CPI announcement this morning, consumer prices have fallen 2.1% over the past twelve months. The last time that happened was 1950. And, it has not happened this extensively since the Great Depression. And, I do not know if it has ever happened at a time when the government is printing so much paper money. If we were not printing paper money, how low would prices have fallen; ten percent, twenty percent or more?
Last week, I failed to mention that the Jekyll Island book about the Federal Reserve which I recommended was referred to me by my good friend Robert Spaeth. It is also recommended reading by Ron Paul. Again, check it out.
In closing, I would like to repeat. Keep up the good work at the town hall meetings. Let us destroy HR 3200 and hopefully, the Senate will be able to write a true bipartisan health care reform bill. It is the only chance we have as the Senate might try to stop the Democratic onslaught in the House.
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This shockingly poor piece of legislation deserves a horrible death. The public outcry has been absolutely unbelievable and has signlehandedly destroyed any prospect of "Universal Health"…Thank Goodness!
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Actually, someone DID mention the 10th Amendment at a Townhall. It was John Culberson, congressman from Texas.
But then, there was no news about that Townhall because it was really more like a Tent Revival meeting (or what I would imagine a Tent Revival to be).
Culberson repeats the mantra of "let Texas take care of Texas" – he's 100% in favor of devolving power back down to the state, county, town, and even better…individual!
He's also convinced that this next American Revolution is happening via Blackberry, Facebook, and Twitter. Essentially that we're fighting this war for the 10th Amendment using the First Amendment as our weapon, with backup provided by the Second!
Culberson is a good guy.
Here's a parody on debt projections and the Thirteenth Amendment: "Obama Supporters Use Latest Debt Projections to Press for Constitutional Amendment Allowing Involuntary Servitude" http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-support...
Interesting column – but I'm not too keen on getting rid of Federal Reserve.
I will drop everything and move to the state that invokes the 10th Amendment if this Obamanation passes.
I know Texas and Alaska have passed laws invoking the 10th Amendment.
Remain vigilant America, if these statist are anything they are persistent. Do not trust anything that the MSM feeds you, we have them on the ropes, but this will not be over until HR 3200 is completely trashed or dismembered until it’s unrecognizable in it’s present state. Right on America, never cede the town square again. Washington politicians right and left need to understand, they serve at our pleasure.
"ReaderRedux",
Are you supportive of an audit of the Federal Reserve to determine where billions of our tax dollars are being redistributed?
Best regards,
Charles
If you are getting at the idea that the Federal Reserve has never been audited (something repeated a lot in certain quarters these days), you might want to check out this link:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/rptcongre...
What you will find there are the results of the 2006 audit of the Fed. The Fed is audited every year by outside auditors, and the results are made public.
As you and I have discussed, if we want to reduce some of the uneccessary costs in our health care expense, we actually need regulatory oversite of insurance companies to be federalized. As it stands, health insurors have to deal with 50 diferent jurisdictions which adds an enormous burdon on administrative expense. That of course, is a far cry from Government actually providing health insurance.
Well, I am glad to see that the UN AMERICANS are out actually trying to STOP a piece of LEGISLATION that will eventually bankrupt this country and the LEFT is complaining about it… I guess they want the country to go by the wasteside like the YUGO or some other piece of CRAP….. srsly, why is the left really pushing this bill?
If you want to see just how much damage the Federal Reserve has wreaked on America, I suggest Murray Rothbard's The Mystery of Banking.
http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Banking-Murray-Roth...
I'm about half way through it, and now its starting to get complicated, but the first half of the book is pretty simple and straight forward.
The Federal Reserve is, more or less, a cartel that ensures all banks stick with the program when they artifically inflate the money supply with easy credit.
Are you stupid or are you a shill? The monetary policy of the federal reserve has never been audited since its creation in 1913!!!!
The monetary policy is the heart of the decision making of the fed.
Also, since its creation in 1913, the dollar lost 95% of its purchasing power, are you still advocating central planning and Hokus Pokus keynesian economics? Go get a book, a real one
Im on my way to Texas at the end of the Month!! Ill See all my freedom loving people there!!
Yes, in reply to Charles.
Jed, as you know, I think that is true. Even though I generally despise federal regulation, I think this may be one of those instances where federal regulation is needed to break up protectionist measures put in place by state politics, that make the system unbelievablely expensive and restrictive.
In any event, the point of my comment was not really to debate that point so much as to point out that the assertion that "any normal interpretation" of the Tenth Amendent would find this to be a matter for state law is simply wrong. That may be the interpretation of some, but I doubt anyone on the Supreme Court will agree.
Also, I think it's important that people be warned about "Jekyl Island". Which is not a reputable source.
Why is it that we have a Constitution that is easily read and understandable for the most part. Yet Congress time after time puts bills together that are long winded and filed with legalizes. Why is it that Congress wants banks to use clear language regarding credit cards but refuses to use language of that nature in their bills.
This battle is going to last many years and as you state violence has no place in this fight. Fight Congress and this President with Common Sense for it will always win as long as Freedom of Speech is still allowed in this Country. If we loose our freedom to voice are opinion then look towards other means.
Careful James, Ben Bernanke is under your bed. . . he's in your bunker. . . he's coming to take your gold!!
is it he Fed- or is it the World Bank, IMF, Trilateral Commission and the UN?…
it seems any mention of the Federal Reserve wil bring out the darkest of conspiracy theories- some of which are impossible to prove, while others impossible to discredit.
Ultimately, financial policy should be a domestic concern with congressional oversight, and reported annually to the people.
The qusetion remains- is it? Mr Price seems to think so, others vociferously not. We do need a proper acquittal
of this, seeing the Present Administration is spending and printing money like North Korea on steroids…
We are of several minds on this. There is a hysteria over finance that is clouding the dialectic. Yet there is troubling coincidences about- George Soros claims to know, definitively, what is going to happen to the US currency. Says 'he is not at liberty to discuss it'.
He did help destroy the English pound. He is the mover and shaker behind MoveOn.Org and other leftist organizations-
And Obama is his guy. So, friends, vigilance and exposure are key…
Good point. As a Texan I can assure you that a big part of the *uninsured* Texans consist of illegal aliens/immigrants. I believe we rank right behind California for that dubious distinction. Our idiot state Senator and quietly our even more moronic Congressman (S. Reyes) are pushing Obama and Congresses tragedy of a "healthcare" bill specifically beacuse they want the "public option" and wish to couple it with some kind of open amnesty program. Result? More Democrat voters. Each and every one of the Federal governments massive social programs over the years have coincided with Democrat politicians buying votes with the taxpayers money. Obama desperately wants to follow in FDR and LBJ's foot steps with a HUGE federal program…I guessing his "immigration agenda" is now DOA also. Let us hope!
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Absolutely, even as a lifetime GOPer I'm now very cautious of ALL POLS! I don't trust any of them very much. It's way past time to change the culture of corruption that permeates Washington D.C.
We should implore the next Congress to CUT THEIR OWN PAY! Let's see how commited the really are. I say a 25% reduction for an attitude adjustment. No more limo's and champagne. Rein in the lobbys and the millions of $$$$ they use to buy influence. Let's shift some of the power back to the people. I remember the '94 GOP take over devolving into just "more of the same". Never again.
You answered your own question…lawyers. Even though I aspire to be one some day I remain cautious of their motives. Motive number one, $$$$$. Because of syntax and shifting definitions the language of these bills get exceedingly complicated because they are open to *interpretation*, i.e. some wacky liberal Jimmah F-ing Carter era appointee Federal judge.
Always remember we elected a lawyer/POTUS that actually uttered the words "it depends on what the definition of "is" is…"
The voice of unreason rears its uglyy head once again. If someone points out a fact, deny it. If someone disagrees with your point of view, attack him as a shill or stupid. When you're done ranting, consider reading what has been said. I assume you read the Federal Reserve Audit materials before you claimed there has never been an audit. And if Andrew Price is a Keynesian, then I'm the King of Siam.
I have no idea who you are, but I've been reading Andrew Price's comments on this site for over five months, and he is a solid conservative who likes federal intervention almost as little as I do. The concept of the federal government regulating interstate commerce is one of the very few powers specifically granted in the Constitution. If you don't like the way the feds are regulating interstate commerce, fine. I agree with you. But to deny it has the right to regulate it is a naive and ignorant misreading of the clear terms of the Constitution.
Darn it Lawhawk, now you've exposed yourself as a fellow-agent of the Fed. There goes your credibility.
Just don't tell "James" that we faked the moon landing too.
Jamesb,
It is not due to the fact they are lawyers, it is how they chose to implement their profession. Good luck in pursuit of your goals.
Thanks for the info about Griffin. Our side needs to be far more careful of weeding out/distinguishing us from the wackos than our opposition. The Left can have all manner of ridiculous things said by even Pelosi (swastikas at townhall meetings) and the media tends to ignore it. ____However, we all have seen how the media and members of the Obama administration & Democratic Congress have painted anyone who disagrees with them with a broad "extremist" brush. Buckley was right to marginalize the Birchers and we woudl do well to follow his example. ____Heck, even the "birthers" are folks we should shy away from. The cynic in me thinks Obama and his camp are purposely not releasing his long form birth certificate just to keep the issue out there and lump his opponents in with birthers, who are an easy target.__
How do you not mention the Federalism Amendment?
I've been around long enough to see "fluoridation in our drinking water" go from being a communist conspiracy to being a right wing conspiracy. Same conspiracy theory–different villains.
Well!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercoole...
Ah yes, fluoridation. Doesn't fluoridation make you susceptible to brainwashing?
I personally prefer the fake moon landing — that one's more complicated and requires you to believe that all scientists are lying. Now that's good solid paranoia there. There's nothing like the smell of paranoia in the morning!
You're welcome, and I agree completely. There is much to criticize about Fed policy without resorting to fantasy complaints about vast conspiracies to undermine us all. All that does is make us sound crazy and takes away our ability to raise genuine concerns.
P.S. Great Avatar — Snake Plisken!
Are you suggesting that we actually landed a man on the moon? Some people will fall for anything. LOL
Thank you and yes, better way to consider the question. I was watching a local news show here in El Paso last night. On the show a local defense attorney, a very reputable lawyer, was telling us hard it was for one of his *clients* to be executed, he failed them, blah, blah, blah…telling us Texas and the U.S. are like Iran and Iraq because we use capital punishment, blah, blah. I thought to myself "read the story of Kenneth McDuff, "Bad Boy from Rosebud". Then tell us all about *feeling bad* about a predator getting the needle. McDuff was an EVIL HUMAN BEING and deserved death. He's the only U.S. citizen ever to be given the death penalty TWICE. He weasled out of it in '72 and managed to get out onthe streets by legal manuveres and starting killing again, THREE DAYS AFTER BEING PAROLED!
Oh no, no, no, I think they missed the moon. Instead, they landed on a top secret space station right behind the moon that was built by the Fed to house the flouridation factories.
Thank you for answering my question.
I found the video of Representative Grayson's questioning of Chairman Bernenke to be interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ
I've called upon my Representative to support HR 1207, "The Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009", which will allow for a serious audit of the Federal Reserve.
Citizens who would like to contact their Representatives in support of this Bill (or in opposition to it) may do so through the following link:
http://www.house.gov
Contacting our Senators to support/oppose the Senate's version of the Bill (S 604) may be done by using the following link:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information...
Have you read a great many of the posts herein? I'm not sure what to make of some of our fellow commentators.
Best regards,
Charles
Nope: You missed it completely. They actually landed on the grassy knoll, then aribrushed out the rest of Dallas. The actual message on the fake Apollo 13 mission was "Dallas, we have a problem." They couldn't find the grassy knoll.
I'm outta here.
Wow – can't illustrate our upside-down government any more clearly than in that link!
Mr. Price,
By using the link you provided, I have learned that the Federal Reserve buys, sells, and displays art for the benefit of the public, but that "The value of the Board’s collections has not been
determined."
I found the Federal Reserve's total operating expenses even more interesting: $286,743,832.
Do you consider the audits for which you provided a link to be sufficient for an appropriate accounting of the Federal Reserve's transactions and activities with regards to taxpayer money? Obviously I do not, although I am interested in your opposing views and the basis for them. Alternately, we may agree to disagree.
Best regards,
Charles
Charles,
There are none so blind. . .
The audit, which you dismiss so easily, is a standard audit of the type normally conducted of government agencies and large corporations. It is 38 pages long. And despite your suggestion that there was nothing more in the audit than the total operating expenses and a reference to art sales, the audit in fact details assets, liabilities, and operational expenses. It includes combined financial statements. And all of this information is discussed in detail in the comments.
It talks about policy, it talks about pending litigation involving the fed, it talks about Federal policy, it makes suggestions for improving internal control over financial reporting. It talks about loan requirements, foreign currency issues, swap agreements and warehouse agreements. Finally, it talks about GAO reviews and FED Inspector General reviews.
And if you know anything about audits, you will know that there is a back up file which includes even greater detail.
But none of this means anything to you does it? Because you see the Fed as an international conspiracy that you want shut down. Am I correct? Be honest.
President Ronald Reagan was right when he said “Now, so there will be no misunderstanding. It’s not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work — work with us, not over us; to stand by our side, not ride on our back.” Mr. Reagan spoke these words at his inaugural on January 20, 1980. At that moment in time our country was driven to a precipice via a myriad of misguided policies, but it was President Carter, and his band of liberal Democrats that took the final steps off the ledge. Mr. Reagan caught us safely from the fall through inner-strength, after he survived an assassination attempt, and then brought to bear his uncommon display of common sense on our nations past economic calamity. President Reagan successfully led the country through the last battle in the cold war, renewed our national purpose, and provided leadership to a nation in dire need of it.
This nation has spent $1.8 Trillion dollars more than it has taken in in tax receipts, it has $12 Trillion on its national credit card, and has completely consumed all funds held in Social Security and other entitlement programs; and replaced them with an IOU. I invite anyone to pick up the telephone, and call a vendor to the State of California and see what those IOU’s are good for. The only way that Medicare, Medicaid, or even Social Security gets paid is via a printing press buttressed by the willingness of foreign governments to underwrite it. That is what the “full faith and credit” of the United States has come to, a promise to pay interest on an obligation to a hostile foreign government. Well, ladies and gentlemen, that promise may one day be meaningless. What then? We are not able to meet the obligations we presently have; why do we seek to create more of them via a nationalization of our health care system on the basis of a lie? In short: Uncle Sam is broke, the US economy is shrinking, and the President of the United States wants the federal government to run 1/6 of the US economy that health care represents; and the government is unable to run a monopoly, the US Post Office, at a profit.
As President Reagan warned in his speech in 1961, on the dangers of socialized medicine; the American people would not accept socialism outright, but under the banner of liberalism we would accept every facet of socialism. For the past sixty years the entitlement programs that started as humanitarian safety nets, under Democratic majorities, have since grown into retirement programs to the exclusion of private investment, and the most fraud ridden delivery of health care any nation has ever witnessed. Ladies and gentlemen, remember where we are presently situated fiscally, how long will it be until those promises are worthless? As you and I can only live beyond our means for a limited time, so too with governments, one way or the other the printing press will be stopped, and it is not always at a convenient time. I find it ironic how politicians, on both sides, ran around saying that this or that firm was “too big to fail so we must bail them out.” Who will bail us out?
Our situation can only be made worse by following President Obama’s now crystal clear philosophy of borrow, print, and spend – not necessarily in that order. Mr. Obama has placed an outstretched hand to a regime that is seeking nuclear weapons, Iran, and uses murderous force to squelch peaceful dissent. Mr. Obama recommended that “we bear witness to it.” If I witness a crime in progress or someone is in need of assistance, I will activate the 911 system, and if they can’t make it in time I will take action, and deliver what ever justified harm to the perpetrator or help I can to the victim. This is what upsets me most; liberal Democrats have chosen to follow, and vote for leaders that when jihad johnny flies planes into buildings, or a vibrant debate begins, like the one we are presently embroiled in, they turn their ire not on the enemy, or on the issue, but on the American people. This is wrong, and I will not stand for it. The Democratic Party that exists today is not the party of Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson or even John F. Kennedy – stridently striving to protect and promote core American values. The modern Democratic party is the party of appeasement and fiscal suicide. Witness the current fiscal situation in California, New York, New Jersey and Illinois; these states are run by liberal Democratic majorities that have with each passing year, raised taxes, raised spending, and engaged in social engineering at the expense of the now forgotten man in an effort to hold themselves beyond the reach of the electoral process in perpetuity.
Now, do not for one flat second think we are not going to make it. Winston Churchill once said, “When you are in hell, keep going.” Ladies and gentlemen, we are in all kinds of hell and I and all of you will keep going. With each passing week millions of Americans: Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are waking up to what is happening, and they are preparing for the next steps to gain seats to enact change grounded in our traditional values. I’m praying that the men and women who will fill these seats in 2010 will remember why they are there, when they get there – and if they don’t; it is up to us to remind them. It is not sufficient just to win the next election, as President Reagan said: “We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow. And let there be no misunderstanding — we’re going to begin to act beginning today. The economic ills we suffer have come upon us over several decades. They will not go away in days, weeks, or months, but they will go away. They will go away because we as Americans have the capacity now, as we have had in the past, to do whatever needs to be done to preserve this last and greatest bastion of freedom . . . after all why shouldn’t we believe that? We are Americans.”
Yep. America has tumbled down the rabbit hole.
— On Mon, 8/17/09, IntenseDebate Notifications <notifications@intensedebatemail.com> wrote:
Hey, why you got a picture of Kai Winn up there? /kidding
Where are all of the liberals screaming about the government staying off their bodies?
Charles–I have sat on the board of several mid-size to large corporations, and have been the CEO of one. In nearly all of them, we used independent auditors, and though I have little faith in government, the audit of the fed which I read seemed as thorough and critical as any I've ever seen. I saw at least one of those previous audits of the fed which was highly, and justifiably critical of the political interference with the proper duties of the Inspectors General. I can't vouch for the independent audit of the fed, but it looked rather professional, and it certainly wasn't giving the fed a clean bill of health.
No, no, you're both wrong. We actually DID go to the moon, but the government made a fake tape to show the world instead of the actual landing. And why? To cover up what they REALLY found there. (Twilight Zone music) Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo…..
Wait, I forgot, I actually do have a question. As far as the Federal Reserve goes, I have no earthly idea if they've had an audit ever or not, and I don't really care, so I'll take you're word for it. That said, though, isn't there a good argument for ditching the Reserve? After all, it's supposed to be the responsibility of Congress to control the production of money. And James does have a point about the inflation thing: before the Fed's creation in 1914 the dollar had inflated less than 10 percent altogether; since then it's gone up over 2000%. I never fully grasped economics, so I could be way off here; but it doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me.
What did they find? Cheese? Naked Henry Waxmans?
My point about the Griffin book is not so much the conspiracy theory that is prevelant in it, but that it is a good primer on monetary policy and the fed for those who don't understand how the monetary system works in the country. There are many besides him that feel the Fed must be abolished although it will never happen. If you read my previous article, you will see that I don't endorse the conspiracy theory elements.
(cough, cough)…Sorry, I was just throwing up after the "Naked Henry Waxmans" part. Seriously, I need to get off of here, I've got too young and innocent a mind to let it be defiled by your filth. Just for that, I won't tell you what they found on the moon.
If spouse would agree, I would be living in Texas by Jan 1 2010.
Sorry, I have to disagree. I am not aware of The Tenth Amendment ever being considered possibly redundant, because power didn't derive from the states, it derived from the people under the Constitution. That's why the Ninth Amendment — which reserves the rights not delegated to the people — was considered possibly redundant. The question with the Tenth was whether or not a Bill of Rights was needed and whether or not it could be applied to the states.
Also, it is very reasonable to see health care as a matter for interstate commerce as most aspects of it take place in interstate commerce. I assure you that ANY court will easily find such regulation under the commerce clause. Thus, your claim that "Any normal interpretation of the Tenth Amendment would imply that health care and its regulation should be a power reserved to the states and/or the people" is simply wrong.
Finally, if you're going to recommend "Jekyl Island", someone needs to point out that the author G. Edward Griffin is an officer in the John Birch Society who writes regularly about communist/capitalist conspiracies over the banking system, the Supreme Court, and American foreign policy. He also has written a book in which he claims that vitamins can stop cancer — a claim the AMA, the FDA and the American Cancer Society dismissed as quackery. Griffin responded by claiming that these groups were covering up the truth because they had a financial motive to keep people from learning the truth.
It seems a little disingenuous to recommend a book, then come back later and say, "well, yeah, there are some nutty parts in it", after that's been revealed by another poster.
Kind of like saying 'Mein Kampf' had some good ideas about developing infrastructure, but just ignore all that stuff about the jews.
Well, there's one congressional seat it should be real easy to reclaim. 39 to go…
There is a large and growing 10th amendment movement out here. Just Google 10th Amendment groups. Several state legislators are also making the the move to invoke the 10th and passing resolutions, as has been said here before, Obama has kicked a sleeping giant.
In my initial endorsement in my last article I addressed the conspiracy theory issues. Long before the comment made today.
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You answered your own question…lawyers. Even though I aspire to be one someday I remain cautious of their motives. Motive number one, $$$$$. Because of syntax and shifting definitions the language of these bills get exceedingly complicated because they are open to *interpretation*, i.e. some wacky liberal Jimmah F-ing Carter era appointee Federal judge spinning it totally out of context or flat out getting it wrong. See the 9th Circut as an example. See definition of "seperation of church and state" as another example.
Always remember we elected a lawyer/POTUS that actually uttered the words "it depends on what the definition of "is" is…" while LYING under oath.
Just because Griffin wrote it, does not mean it is not true.
We believe plenty of stuff written by all kinds of journalsists , without fact checking.
The Jekll Island Book was recently recommended to me by some I've known to base his opinion on facts, and is neither an Obama fanatic nor Republican.
Certainly you can't believe, whatever the Fed started from, Jecklyll Island or not, that it has not usurped our money and its powers? That is has become Wall Street's beachhh?
I was down at the Phoenix Convention Center early today, where Obama spoke to the VFW. There were rallies pro- and anti-Obama on opposite corners. I think the headcounts were just about even — I don't know who had the advantage.
A lot of people with good ideas on our side — but all CNN showed was the one @$$hole who showed up with his AR-15 over his shoulder and pointed out, every time he was called on it, that he wasn't technically breaking any state or federal law. Six minutes of this idiot on CNN, so he stole the limelight from all the people who had better ideas — he's either too dumb to realize the extent to which his image could be manipulated, or he was a plant.
[...] Health Reform And The Tenth Amendment [...]
Frank- It is not only the Tenth amendment that is under attack- the First, through this "Diversity" Czar, the Second through the bogus attacks on the firearms allegedly going to Mexico, the fourth amendment, through the provisions that allow records of people's bank accounts to be accessed- all are simultaneously under assault, based on the principle that we cannot put ot all the fires that liberals set, and they may be right- we might fail at protecting all of our rights, but that doesn't mean we won't go down fighting.
No, unfortunately- all Hussein has to do is get ONE of his programs passed, and the socialists will have their foot in the door.
His stimulus was what was designed to get past the tenth amendment, and as such, it is unconstitutional- that hasn't stopped these statists from continuing the assault on our rights. Now they want to restrict our first Amendment rights through "diversity"- look up his Diversity Czar, Mark Lloyd, and you will see what I mean.
The fourth amendment is being dismantled by the healthcare bill when the government has the power thru this bill to reach into your bank account and take out what they deem is sufficient money for your healthcare- they are deliberately vague on the amount.
You have little Timmy Geithner "monetizing our debt" and you are not concerned?
Have you heard of a country called Zimbabwe?
Wow- As a sixth generation Texan, I say welcome, but it's looking more and more like we will have to have another "Alamo" here in order to have our independence from govt. control- we are under siege here and in the other states, and the people who are supposed to represent us have become so arrogant and entitled that this next phase in our country's evolution may more resemble that of the French revolution, but without the big cheese cutter- there are other ways.
Ya, I'm with ya…incredibly I just received in my first pocket Constitution from the Cato Institute. Every American that actually believes in the Constitution and that don't like the mis-interpretations that the leftist judges have Gumby'ed it into over the last four or so decades ought to have one…
…for me the sad part is that I'm trying to decide between a Master's in Polysci or History…this document spans both more importantly than anyother I can think of…should have had one years ago.
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