Will Obama Abandon Israel?
by Frank DeMartiniPresident Obama has left the United States for a foreign trip that includes Saudi Arabia, Egypt, France and Germany. Unfortunately, a stop in Israel is not included. Why? With increasing rhetoric, Mr. Obama and his administration seem to be leaving Israel in the cold and partnering up with Israel’s Arab enemies at the same time that he is not taking the threats of North Korea seriously.
In the past few weeks, President Obama has told Israel that it must now accept a two state solution to the Palestinian problem, and just yesterday, he told Ehud Barak that Israel must stop all growth in the West Bank settlements. Further, the President has taken the position that Iran may continue its nuclear programs provided that it intends only to pursue nuclear energy and not nuclear weapons, in contravention of Israeli wishes.
What is going on here? Does the President believe that by kissing up to our enemies; i.e. Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and Radical Islam, that he is going to make all of the problems of the world go away? Does he believe that by allowing Israeli/US relations to go by the wayside, he is going to make Al Qaeda disappear? I think not.
In fact, yesterday another tape of Osama bin Laden appeared condemning the United States for backing the Pakistani military in taking on the Taliban. The tape made it clear that President Obama was no different from President Bush in bin Laden’s eyes and that the blood of Muslims and retribution for their deaths would be on Obama’s hands. The War on Terror is not over regardless of what President Obama wants to call it, and based upon the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan, it is about to escalate.
And, the Israel/Arab situation will not get any better as a result.
The situation with the Palestinians is multi-faceted. To begin with, the Palestinians believe they were wronged when their land was given by the UK at the end of WWII to create the Jewish homeland. They will not have full peace with Israel unless they are given land by Israel for the creation of Palestine. President Obama has taken the position that this so called Two-State Solution is the best solution for the problem. And, there are many Israelis that agree with him.
However, the far right wing in Israel is vehemently opposed to the Two State Solution. These right wing radicals will do everything in their power to oppose it. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view, they have much power in the current Netanyahu Coalition Government. In fact, the first time Netanyahu was Prime Minister he lost power because he angered the far right.
This is Netanyahu’s problem again. The far right wants continued growth of the settlements in land that would become part of Palestine. And, if Netanyahu takes on the far right again, he will be ousted a second time as a result of his coalition collapsing. So, by forcing the issue on the settlements and the Two State solution, Obama is causing a thaw in Israeli relations. He is putting Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of the only democratic country in the region, into a no win situation.
And, to make matters worse this week, the Obama Administration declared that any negotiations over the Palestinian situation would have to include Hamas at the negotiating table. Hamas has been and always will be a terrorist organization. What is happening to our country’s declaration that we will never negotiate with terrorists? This has been our policy for well over twenty years. And, a damn good policy it is. Has President Obama decided that talking to a terrorist organization that advocates the dissolution of Israel is the best way to solve this problem or is he just further exhibiting his abandonment of Israel? I wonder how President Obama’s supporters in Hollywood feel about this turn of events.
Obama’s speech this morning in Egypt was very conciliatory to the Muslim World and, so it should be. However, the President must still remember, that we are at war with radical Islam. The Taliban and al Qaeda will do whatever they can to destroy the United States of America. The Hamas, and to a lesser extent Hezbollah, will do the same. And, all of these organizations have one thing in common. They all hate Israel and do not recognize its right to exist. If you add the extremist leader of Iran to this group, you have a very powerful group of radical Muslims that want to end the Israeli State.
Obama must keep this in mind when he is forming his foreign policy for the Middle East. These groups will not tolerate any existence of Israel and will become enemies of anyone that does. By kissing up to Iran and now accepting Hamas as a legitimate organization without either one of them recognizing Israel, he is snubbing his nose at one of our strongest allies. And, he is making the possibility of peace a further impossibility.
You may disagree with President Bush’s foreign policy, but you cannot disagree with its results. After 9/11, there was not one additional act of terrorism on US soil or against US assets abroad. Strength comes with fear. The Muslim dictators know this. It is the way of the Arab world. Do you think the Saudi leaders would be parading around the body of an executed be-headed man in the past week for any other reason? This is the way that Obama must build his foreign policy with the Arab world. The only way true peace can be achieved in the Middle East is through strength.
Unfortunately, this also seems to be the case in North Korea. Kim Jong-Il is showing, almost on a daily basis, that the Obama doctrine of conciliation is not working. Each day North Korea is boldly acting to make the world a more dangerous place and the President does nothing. Is he waiting for an all out war to break out in Asia or will he do something before that happens? Keep in mind, that this week North Korea started bragging about an ICBM that could reach Alaska.
I know my ranting on this topic will upset many on the left that believe in the Obama doctrine. I can only wish that I am wrong. In fact, there is nothing that I would like more than to say in this column that Obama was right and that the acts of conciliation and kindness towards our enemies have solved the problems of the world. But, what if I am correct? Would you want to be the one who has to tell the people of the United States that our safety had been compromised because you did not take the actions of a few rogue states seriously? Do you want to be the one to tell the electorate that you did not adequately protect American interests in the Middle East? I think not.
©2009 by Frank T. DeMartini. Permission to use excerpts will be freely given upon request.
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There was never a time when I seriously hoped I was wrong before, as I do now; knowing what the current administration's (not just the president but all those who support him) foreign policy will cost our nation.
"Will Obama abandon Israel?"
He already has, the real question is, how long before he abandons the United States of America?
To answer your question in the title… Absolutely, those were my thoughts watching the "press conf" BO had with Netanyahu. He couldn't even look him in the eye for crying out loud. My fear isn't that BO will screw up (that's pretty much a certain) but that no matter what happens the only people that will suffer will be Americans and not our Empty Suit in Chief.
The real question is not "How long before he abandons Israel"
It is not "How long before he abandons the United States of America"
He has already done both of these things.
The real question is – - How long before the the peasants find their piano wire, and a gas station.
I fear we are headed down a very scary road.
(I'm on a terrorist watch list now… NO, I am not condoning violence… merely stating that I fear it coming)
I wonder how President Obama’s supporters in Hollywood feel about this turn of events.
They are still basking in the glow of The One.
Israel is under the bus folks. My big question is when will Netanyahu hit Iran. I believe sooner than later, the Israelis will not put up with a nuclear threat from Iran.
Sadly, I agree, Isreal is toast. I hope the American Jewish voter is happy, as they helped put this monster in charge.
I will pray for the Isrealis.
President Obama has already abandoned Israel given his speech in Egypt; I believe Obama is a Muslim first, Communist second, & Democrat third. He does not act like an American.
They sure did, but no need to pray for the Israelis. If the Arabs and the Iranians want to tangle with them, let them. The Israelis are no shrinking violets….
Well said. For everyone that writes about the Middle East and reminds people of them being the only democracy in the ME they really should say that Israel is the only country in the world with the, ahem, cojones to fight Islamic Fascism.
It will take a catastrophe before we as a nation rebuild academia so that we are no longer subjected to the "wisdom" of ivory tower intellectuals.
Sadly, you are correct. He tossed Israel under the bus to "appease" our enemy! The one thing that the "Messiah" forgot though is that the Israeli Military is one of the best on the planet, and they do not need Barry's help or permission to blow Iran to flinder's.
They will do what they need to protect there country, freedom and way of life, just as we would. I will stand by them, as will most Americans, even if our POS President won't!
You've got to love a country that makes firearms like they do!
Will Obama Abandon Israel?
He already did when he give our ally Israel an ultimatum.
Not even George Clooney or Angelina Jolie got an ultimatum on Dafur like Steven Spielberg got his on Israel (like many in Hollywood, Spielberg is secretly on the side of Hamas because they need millions of dead Jews in order to make more Nazi movies).
There is always a cost when it comes to stupidity…….And I think we are about to find out what level of stupid this administration can reach!
Obama's probably formulated his Middle East policy with his friend, activist Rashid Khalidi.
Will Obama abandon Israel? Yes, but God will not.
Unless I'm hearing the clips wrong, I believe that Obama has said that pretty much everything America has done since 9-11 has been an unethical overreaction to the terrorist attack. If I am right in that, and if Obama genuinely believes it, then Israel is in serious danger almost immediately, and America is in for serious trouble in the next few years. It is one thing to profess that America has made mistakes since 9-11, but quite another to suggest that our entire course of action was morally and ethically wrong. The latter implies that we should not support Israel, we should not seek out Islamic terrorists wherever they hide, and that for the sake of some sort of temporary truce and accommodation with the Muslim world we should risk further attacks on American soil. There are genuine issues to be worked out with Israel, and many Israelis agree. That does not mean we should now abandon a major ally and the only genuine democracy in the region for the sake of soothing ruffled Muslim feathers.
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The useless piece of S$%t President Zero in 100 daya has destroyed Capitalism and our economy. Pissed off all our close alies. Kissed the asses off every terrorist and Dicatator he can find. Am I the only one who see's this? I mean he is doing it on purpose? What does it take to be considered a traitor anymore?
I imagine the Arab world's conversations going something like this:
Ali: "Hey, Abdu, how about this crazy infidel US president? He actually thinks we give a flying camel crap about him and his visit!
Abdu: "Yes, we will lure him in with his narcissistic paranoia and pathetic need for a father figure's approval and then crush him like a ripe palmagranate."
Ali: "As he sucks up to us, we will gain even more influence and power. He will cozy up to us like a love-starved Portuguese Water Dog"!
Abdu: "A what?"
I'm going to say "yes, he will"..considering he answered the question in this video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31120874#...
(look at about the 4:05 mark….). I got sick to my stomach when I read about this one…
Here's a thought for you. What if this man had been our President on September 11th?
I wonder how the view from the cheap seats was for Obama then. I guess it is pretty easy to say you would have done things differently when you already know the outcome!
Useing Obama logic we could have stopped WWII if we had only killed Hitler when he was in kindergarten!
I'm no big fan of Spielberg's since that whole thing with the Boy Scouts of America, but I think this appraisal is not quite fair. I think that some Jews – like Spielberg – in their misguided desire to believe the best of people (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), think appeasement is the way to go in dealing with the Palestinians and their other Arab buddies. Unfortunately, for the naiveté of such people, many innocents will pay with their lives…
I'm still trying to understand that rellgion of peace speech? I obviously attended a different history class. Isreal must survive… and we must support them. This is not a blind argument; yeah we've been there, gave em lots of money, but they have been our only friend in that sea of gnarly. We've also supported Egypt, Saudia, Kuwait, iraq – every damned one of them. So why not make western Iraq into Pallestine? Because not a one wants them there. They like the on-going tension with Isreal, but for the first time I fear – they are truly on their own, and if they bomb Iran, we will join in the UN condemnation, and do nothing to support. We continue on unchartered waters – whats was up is now down.
The bottom line is that the Arab world must understand that in this two state solution, one of those states will be Israel. I don't think they get that point and I am not sure that Obama understands that they don't get that point. But I have every faith that Israel will prevail or go down to the last person standing. It should not escape notice that he was in Germany to solicit help from the Germans with this two state solution for Israel. Am I the only one who sees the very sick irony in that? Is he just not thinking or did he do that on purpose?
He's also was reaching out to the Germans to help in the fight in Afghanistan. It was my understand that neither Germany nor Japan are allowed to militarize against any other nation since they have a history of, well just say, being very enthusiastic about it.
I think your being to kind to Mr. Spielberg. He is very knowledgable in the area of WWII and The Holocaust. You would think that he would know, from history, that appeasement never works. The facts are right in front of him but he chooses to ignore them. It could very well be that Mr. Spielberg is none to bright. He doesn't really need to be smart to entertain us!
Just a thought……….
Primer: It's the old "hindsight is 20/20." I won't cede what I strongly believe. And that is that we were right in Afghanistan, that we may or may not have acted on bad intelligence in Iraq but we still did the right thing in removing a mass murderer from power and preventing Al Qaeda from establishing a stronghold there, and that seeking out and destroying terrorist training camps is an imperative. As somebody said (Eisenhower, maybe?), "All war plans are perfect until the shooting starts." By mistakes, I was referring to intelligence lapses and tactical military errors, not to the rightness of the cause. Obama has consistently treated our war efforts as moral and ethical lapses, and I find that appalling as well as highly dangerous for America's national security.
Even acknowledging a "Palestinian problem" is buying into the lie that there is any such thing as a Palestinian. They are Arabs, genetically and culturally indistinguishable from all of the Arabs in the surrounding area. Before the UK's presence in the region, there were a very few Arab nomads who moved around the area, completely oblivious to any border with an area called Palestine, much less did they self-identify as Palestinians. The UK brought trade, goods and services, and this resulted in a population boom for those Arabs, and they settled in the area.
Originally, and I mean really originally, the Romans created Palestine to punish the Jewish people for their rebellions. The name was chosen because it was a Romanized variant of Philistine, the historic arch enemy of the Jews. So, basically, if you believe there should be any such state as Palestine, you are propagating a wrong perpetrated against Israel by the Romans. That attitude won't ingratiate you with God, I can tell you that for certain.
The real solution is to force the surrounding Arab countries to take the errantly-so-called Palestinians in – which they refuse to do because they are such trouble makers – and let Israel assume it's historic borders. That will happen one of these days, years, decades, or centuries. The problem is with all that tribulation and battle of Har-Megiddo stuff that lies between now and then. LOL!
Please Please say we have already reached the highest level of stupidity from this administration ..I think from this point forward one should not assert stupidity but rather willfull negligence. They know exactly what they are doing and what the outcome will be so let us be fair to the stupids who voted Obama in they knew not what they were doing!
Wow! That was good! I learned something new today. Thanks.
I think your right though. The Arab world doesn't really understand that under Barry's plan Israel would still exsist. Man are they gonna be miffed when they find that out.
The German thing is a little bizarre. The idea of Germans helping divide up property and relocate people (especially Jewish people) makes me a bit nervous.
Maybe Barry does remember something from 20yrs under the anti-semetic Rev. Wright. I could be wrong?
"We know what Israel is. We know what Israel means. And as I will tell the Prime Minister tomorrow, when it comes to Israel, the United States is not a bargainer or a broker: The United States is a friend and an ally. And that's why one of the things I'm proudest of is the steps we've been able to take during this administration to build a stronger foundation of enduring friendship and cooperation. For example, strategic cooperation—something other administrations shied away from—is now a commitment our two governments have made to each other. It responds to our mutual needs and is a reminder to all that no wedge will be driven between the United States and Israel." -President Ronald Reagan, Mar 15, 1988
Sadly, now the POTUS is the very one driving the wedge.
I think there are a lot of prayers for the Israelis. I had a teammate in college who was Israeli. When he was in his last year on the team, he often spoke about his younger sister who was getting ready to graduate high school and do her stint in the military. I think about them often these days and wonder if they're still in Israel.
Speaking as someone who lives right up the I-135 corridor from Mexico, has seen a recent Islamic advertising blitz in my city, and knows that Brigitte Gabriel listed that same city as one with a possible sleeper cell in it. I feel pretty darn jumpy. Given that there is speculation that terrorists would like to launch a bio-attack via the southern border, that's my backyard it's possibly all coming to.
I don't feel good about any of this at all.
A congress that can and will do something about it.
The only consolation I can take in all this is that as a believer I have faith that Israel will survive to the end … somehow, but none of it will be pretty for anyone.
"Obama’s speech this morning in Egypt was very conciliatory to the Muslim World and, so it should be." Why?
War is never easy. Mistakes are made. People on the left can't except this though. Putting aside all the reasons that had been given for going back into Iraq, I can say that I am very proud of what our Military has done.
I'll try not to be too long winded, but I have too tell you my defining moment , when I knew liberating Iraq was the absolute right thing to do!
About a year ago I read an article about young Iraqi's customizing there cars. I'm a mechanic so this interested me. The story told how for the first time these kids could put rims and wings and stripes (sounds simple) on there "own" cars without fear of reprisal or confiscation by Hussien or his sons. I read this article and thought how something this simple, something that I regularly do for spoiled rich kids here, could bring so much happiness to these kids. Every picture showed these boys standing in front of there cars (we'd call them junk here) and grinning from ear to ear!
I want someone on the Left to explain why these kids shouldn't have this! The loss of one of our Soldiers is tragic, but they gave these particular boys something kids here think is a God given right!
Obama can try to diminish what has been done, but history will show him to be a fool,,,,,,,,,
I find it interesting that Obama is talking all about how the Israeli need to have compassion and empathy and how Judaism has that strong moral tradition to do the right thing.
Fine.
Why does no one speak about the Islamic need have compassion and empathy and how Islam has that strong moral tradition to do the right thing?
Surely it should go both ways; aren't both groups involved equally deserving of understanding from the other if you want to play the moral equivalency game? Both have suffered for a variety of reasons.
Of Course
The surrounding countries created the Palestinians by luring them out of Israel with promises of letting them take over all the land once they had swept the Jews into the sea after the state of Israel was brand new. The Jews didn't drive them out in the first place was my understanding. Then when Israel won; the surrounding states decided they liked having a landless group of refugees to use as eternal victims against Israel and refused to take them in.
President Obama has already abandoned the founding principles of his own country. Why wouldn't we expect him to abandon Israel as well?
There lies the problem. This administration keeps changing the rules and raising the bar. Eventually they will raise the stupidity bar so high that we will have to find a new word or phrase to describe there ineptitude. The word stupid just won't cover it anymore!
Suggestion?
You already know the answer.
When you criticize or critique Jews or Christians they don't "Blow Things Up".
As an American Jewish voter who did not vote for BO, and who did all I could to convince all I knew not to vote for BO, I am not happy at all. I see the beacon of the world, America, dimming its light in the coming night. I pray I am wrong. I pray for America. I pray for Israel. I pray for us all.
Israel is extremely fortunate to have Netanyahu at a time like this, surrounded by enemies and lacking full support from this administration. I shudder to think what would happen if they were under the leadership of an appeaser like BHO right now.
Here, here!
Look, folks! There's a book you need to read that will tell you exactly where we are and what happens next. It's "Epicenter" by Joel Rosenberg. It is a non-fiction analysis of current events in light of Ezekiel 38 and 39. Of course "OPutz: (his Irish name–"of the putzes") has abandoned Israel. In the passages in Ezekiel, Israel stands on her own against Iran, Russia, and a short list of other nations in a huge future battle and the only thing that saves her from total destruction is the hand of God. The only way that Israel would stand on her own is if America (strong ally of Israel) would abandon her to the wolves. Pray for Israel and Benyamin Netanyahu and pray for the USA. What we need now is some wisdom in all halls of government as well as nationwide. From what I observe, wisdom is severly lacking across the board.
Don't fear for Israel. Obama does not speak for most Americans. I think he has made a major tactical mistake. One that he will regret soon. Any failure on his part to support Israel will be a career killer for him!
If that happens he could always be on "I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here"
Good point. For those that are unfamiliar with the history of the area and of the "Palestinians", I suggest you read this: http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2006/07/history-...
BTW, Carl runs a great blog from Israel at that link that everyone should read.
Good point. For those that are unfamiliar with the history of the area and of the "Palestinians", I suggest you read this: h**p://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2006/07/history-lesson.html
BTW, Carl runs a great blog from Israel at that link that everyone should read.
This whole scenario reminds me of the scene in Schindler's List when the Jews are required by the Nazi regime to abandon all of their homes in the countryside and other villages and relocate to the Krakow ghettos to live in horrible conditions.
They did this without putting up any fight and just went along with the mandate and paid for it with their lives. Same thing holds true today. The Jews in this country who voted for Barry Soetoro knowing full well that his alliegance is to Islam first, went ahead and voted for this administration that is the evil incarnation of fascist Germany of the 1930's. Mark my words that this is only the beginning of what appears to be a US policy of allowing Iran, Syria and Lebanon to declare war against Israel and Obama will turn his back on them, literally and physically. You cannot sit in a church with the likes of Jeremiah Wright and be friends with Louis Farrakhan and not be influenced by their absolute hatred of the Jews and especially the State of Israel.
Oh, that's good, very effective line. I wish I said that.
The Palestinians have been offered a homeland in 1936, 1947, 2000 and 2008, but they continually deny it.
And did Jordan and Egypt occupy the West Bank and Gaza from 1948 to 1967? The Arabs could've created a home for the Palestinians, but they didn't.
The Jews also offered land to them after 1967, but it was turned down again.
One of the big reasons for the Palestinians suffering is because they continually try to destroy the JEWISH STATE.
Will Hussein Obama abandon Israel? He already has — and it sickens me.
Hang in there Israel: In 2012, we'll have a commander-in-chief that understands your importance and righteousness. God bless you.
That’s a fact! Netanyahu has backbone and wisdom and will give Iran all they can handle.
I love Oputz that's great!
You are so right Primer, when BO forsakes Israel, I can see a Redneck Jewish Brigade being formed here in the U.S. to mobilize for deployment to the Middle East. (I mean Redneck in the most honorable of terms)
Anyone else notice the lack of troll tracks on this subject?
THE ONE was trying the McClellen gambit. You remember him. Bush Press sec. Who wrote a book that was a lefty's wet dream. He was all over the MSM. He was the toast of MSNBC. Who cares that everyone who was with him in the White House said that the book was a lie.
THE ONE is trying the same thing. He's going to the Muslim heart, trash Israel, trash the USA, trash the war on terror. All to garner support and love from the Islamic community.
In both, short term gains, long term fail.
McClellen and Obama should learn, you don't make friends of your enemies by making enemies of your friends.
IMO, Mr Obama and his key players, eg, Mr Rahm Emanuel and Mrs Clinton have already abandonded Israel. They seem totally ignorant of or distainful of the history of the region. His defining creed seems almost supernatural and far from based on reason or logic. His love of other people suffering for the good of the disadvantaged in the name of peace is destructive to good order and common sense. He is more concerned with prospering the Palestinians who have repeatedly shown through their actions that they are hell-bent on violence and destruction and are not worthy of equal consideration at the expense of Israel. Nothing indicates they will accept half a loaf. For them it's all or nothing and only on their terms. Obama's illogical demands, must eventually lead to a sever strain between the US and Israel. If the Palestinians want a state, they should accept Israel's charity and be happy for what they get.
We're so busy with foreign affairs right now- God only knows what's happening on the homefront with regards to the Jihadists' activities. With all these Clinton administration leftovers cluttering up the White House, and no doubt overturning Bush's security measures; well, let's just say we're probably back to being as safe as we were under Bill's watch. Actually, we're probably even less safe than that.
As already stated Israel has been abandoned by this disgraceful president. No matter, the Jews will overcome these perilous times. As Mark Twain observed…………
“The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”
The secret is God.
As a Mormon, I have to say that I believe turning against Israel is a very bad idea. We believe that one day, all of the nations who fight against Israel are going to be toast. God hasn't forgotten His promises to the Israeli people. Any president that leads this country away from our friends and allies in the Middle East is going to have a lot to answer for.
The nonsense of Muslims and dhimmis like us living together in peace and harmony is a sham. Name one modern country where that is occurring. Go on, name one (that has a Muslim population over 20 or 25%, anyway). There are none. A good friend of mine, a very sharp guy, just got back from 9 months traveling through Indonesia. He says there are two kinds of states there: those with a minority Muslim population–where it is dangerous to travel without a body guard, the places with beheadings and shot-up and burned villages–and those where the Muslims have taken over–which are generally peaceful and the non-Muslims are left alone…as long as they follow the rules, and accept the new religious government where Church and State are one.
That is Islam's version of moderacy and peace: once they win, they'll put up with dhimmis.
All the major Islamic states of the Middle East have bluntly and openly stated, as a matter of official policy, that only one solution to the "Israel Problem" is acceptable: complete annihilation. The rest is smoke and mirrors. And the idea of the terrorist-run Palestine being recognized as a state is impossible for the Israelis, as the Palestinians demand "right of return." Further, States are allowed to weaponize–not in the way Palestine is now armed, but openly on the world market. Look at the size of Israel on a map. It is tiny. It would be suicide to allow a psychotic terror state to arm itself right next door.
The Israeli/Palestinian (more generally, the Israeli/Arab) situation remains unsolvable, and will remain so unless the bordering Arab states make concessions of their own, and Palestine is run by a government at least quasi-sane.
And as for the 88% of American Jews who voted for Obama–good job.
Deuteronomy 20:1-4
When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them, because the LORD your God, who brought you up out of Egypt, will be with you. 2 When you are about to go into battle, the priest shall come forward and address the army. 3 He shall say: "Hear, O Israel, today you are going into battle against your enemies. Do not be fainthearted or afraid; do not be terrified or give way to panic before them. 4 For the LORD your God is the one who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies to give you victory."
The subject is like sunlight to a vampire for Moonbats.
What can they say!
If they agree with Obama there racist, anti-semitic and stupid.
If they disagree with him they'll get thrown out of the Obamatrons Club and have to return thier secret decoder rings.
It's a loose-loose situation for them! It's gotta suck to always be on the wrong side of an argument….
Shhhhhhhhhhh………I'm, settin a trap. Be wery, wery quiet
“The preservation of the Jews is really one of the most signal and illustrious acts of divine Providence… and what but a supernatural power could have preserved them in such a manner as none other nation upon earth hath been preserved. Nor is the providence of God less remarkable in the destruction of their enemies, than in their preservation… We see that the great empires, which in their turn subdued and oppressed the people of God, are all come to ruin… And if such hath been the fatal end of the enemies and oppressors of the Jews, let it serve as a warning to all those, who at any time or upon any occasion are for raising a clamor and persecution against them.”
- Thomas Newton – British Clergyman: Bishop of Bristol (1704-1782)
Only if we run a ticket better than the New York Times' Favorite Republican (well, until he was actually nominated) and a novelty act from Alaska.
Unfortunately, this means that we are no longer on God's side.
Cause it's the old liberal chestnut, if we just show them that we mean them no harm, they won't hurt us!
THE ONE knows it will work because it worked in the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION! Oh wait, it didn't.
But that's why THE ONE is trying it again, it didn't work the first time because THE ONE didn't do it yet. How can it fail if it's THE ONE that's doing it?
My personal belief is that we should view President Obama's support for "Israel's right to exist" in the same way we view his opposition to gay marriage. Nobody in their right minds really believes that Obama is against gay marriage and we can be sure that he is simply waiting for the the right political moment to announce his "conversion" to the cause. Similarly we can be pretty sure that his sympathies lie far more with the Muslim world than with israel. I see the administration putting increasing pressure on Isreal to grant ever greater "concessions" that will effectively undercut Israeli security and the ability to maintain itself as a state. The result will be some sort of temporary Jewish/Muslim amalgam that will speedily result int he disenfranchisement of the Jews. The President can then shrug and say "I did my best" and the MSM will cheer.
Can anyone tell me why the Jewish community in America was so hip on Obama for president, even though he isn't a supporter of Israel? Didn't they see what was to come?
I have heard from several Jews who have said this is much akin to the way many of the younger Cubans are voting. They say that many Jews have lived for so long in the U.S., many cannot identify with the daily bombings, or attacks which take place in Israel. Sort of an out of sight out of mind type deal. It was also alluded to that many American Jews are not as devout religiously as those who live in Israel. The history and culture of Jews in Israel is very much alive and constant, whereas an American Jew not steeped daily in history, they might not have the fear or awareness of Obama's connections to those who do not support Israel. As I said before, many older Cubans have complained of similar issues with their younger peoples.
I personally think both younger members of each of these cultures need to take a stranger danger course! At the very least a here is how you connect the dots course. I mean this past election screamed Israel is going to be scorched. Maybe they needed a matching course, one where they could match the names of anti-Israeli people connected to the candidate?
In addition, we have the same problem with many younger U.S. citizens who cannot understand the need for a strong military due to the events in WWII and the Cold War era. The Greatest Generation is dying off, and we are 65 years removed from D-Day. When history is not taught, or not taught accurately, you get a whole lot of stupid. Compare Ronald Reagan's D-Day speech to Obama's Cairo speech and you will see why so many in this country voted for Obama. I would be willing to bet many of those U.S. citizens who voted for Obama had never heard Reagan's speech.
I also believe there is an element of trendy which entered this past election. Obama was hip, and that attracted many Jewish voters. Plus, our culture in the U.S. has unfortunately been waging a war against anything old. The 30 and younger crowd do not seem to be interested in learning from their elders, or seeing old as having a value. This leads to rejecting voices of wisdom, or that little voice of common sense urging one to pay attention to details. The Jewish voters, and all the other Obama voters did not take the time to pay attention to the details. They just wanted to be in the in crowd. And, they all hated Bush which equaled absolutely no GOP.
I would be willing to bet many a Jew today is seeing Obama in the light we saw during the election. If not, they will be soon. Israel has 5 months to do something about Iran. Another way of looking at it is Iran will be ready to do something about Israel by the end of the next 5 months. For seasoning, we can add the IAEA found evidence man made uranium was found in Syria. Anyone wondering if it could have come from Saddam?
Wrong, WE ARE! Unfortunately, THE ONE isn't on God's side.
Hareley2002: “What does it take to be considered a traitor anymore?”
Aharris: “A congress that can and will do something about it.”
MinnesotaSam: Regrettably, this is not the congress we have today!
I wonder what they'll think if Israel is again brought to war and suffering by Mr Obama's lack of firm, unequivocal support. He's attempting to find a win/win outcome despite the regional history and I'm not convinced the regional players will allow it.
If ever there was a time when I thought Ezek. 38-39 could be close to being fulfilled, this is it. But Israel will come out on top, as seen in the aftermath in Chap 39, when Israel buries their enemies:
'12 For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I am glorified will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign LORD."
Others here have said that God will protect Israel, and with these verses in mind I tend to strongly concur.
Funny for a guy who has all these moral imperatives, he seems to be keeping a lot of things going, like GITMO trials, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the like.
So, he runs on being the anti GWB and then continues virtually every policy.
Raise your hand if you think he lacks a moral compass.
Religion of Peace and Darfur.
Any questions?????
Who gives a sh!t what the "Islamic world" thinks of us?
Either way, they want us dead.
And what are we going to be left with? No allies and a bunch of countries that want our money and to see us dead. Get ready for a lonely and costly future.
Haa haaa! Yeah, so if anyone in the Obama Admin is watching, and we say something that can be considered bad or good, I meant the good one. Isn't it terrible that we feel the need to have a disclaimer when blogging? This country is going into the dumpster.
You're right, the most insane thing is to do the same thing and expect a different result. He's doomed to failure just as Clinton was. Obama is talking big without a big stick and he's going to be embarrassed very soon when they call his bluff.
America and Obama are not going to abandon Israel. The legitimate question is "what is Israel worth to America?" Obama is just asking that one. What is America willing to pay? And what do we get for that payment?
Israel is a minior power with no natural resources and no exports and few imports. Kind of like Lichtenstein.
Ignore the past and any emotional responses and any imaginary gods and be a cold SOB to measure its value to us right now. In that now it costs us time, money, and military support to keep them going. All we get back is 50 years of squabbling with the other tribes over land that nobody wants except the other side wants it. What does America get for all this endless BS?
That´s a great example! The war was costly but it was also a noble cause. First of all, Saddam was a threat to us. Imagine if he had never gone in. We still wouldn´t know about the status of his nuclear and bio weapons program. Six years are a long time; he might have such a program going by now because the sanctions were collapsing already. One more country for North Korea or Pakistan to sell their technology to and to stir up trouble.
Now al-Qaeda in Iraq is crushed and they have a somewhat stable representative system there (knock on wood) and more freedom than they ever had. That is an absolute good. I firmly believe that liberating Iraq will do more for the development of the region and our standing there than any number of Obama speeches. Or it would, if Obama with his lame apologies didn´t actually hurt our standing. If you don´t respect yourself nobody else will. He is elevating himself at our cost.
Obama is now only formally executing — carrying out — the long-held leftist dream to isolate, stigmatize and weaken Israel. We all assume that Obama follows in US presidential tradition and holds a default affection for our ally Israel. He doesn't. This shouldn't be a mystery, and wouldn't be but for Obama's own sinuous skills the media's concerted collusion. The credo of Obama's intellectual tribe — from liberation theologist and anti-semite Jeremiah Wright to the academic-intellectual circles of equally virulent anti-semites Bill Ayers and Rashid Khalidi — is a profound hatred of Israel and belief that it remains the festering root of Middle East suffering. I can't say for sure that Obama "despises" the Jewish state and wishes its outright destruction, but feel convinced that many of the people he has chosen to associate with do, and that the end result of his "plan" for Israel, such as it is, will gravely imperil the Jewish state.
You don´t hold a big speech in Cairo and then tell the Muslims off – I get that. I do not believe we must talk tough all the time. I don´t believe all muslims are our enemies and I´m not opposed to the attempt to address them. But I am opposed to apologizing to them for what we are and what we do. I am opposed to Obama aggrandizing himself in the eyes of foreigners at our cost, saying in effect: "Yeah, America screwed up. Thank God I´m here now!" I am opposed to abandoning Israel.
I get the impression that America is just one country to him; just as good or bad as any other. We are nothing but a stepping stone in his career. Obama talks as if he is already running for UN Secretary General. Maybe he is…
The President's speech in Cairo send a not-so-subtle message that if Israel doesn't allow a Two-State Solution on everyone else's terms, that the U.S. won't provide support when Israel conducts it's upcoming pre-emptive attack on Iran. The trouble is that BO, and everyone else in the administration (except perhaps Clinton) doesn't accept the reality on the ground in Israel: allowing the now Hamas-led Palestinians any further inroad into Israeli territory would encompass the doom of Israel itself. They're still playing this out like it was some sort of abstract diplomatic exercise, just like the sort of crap that got us a messed up Middle East after World War I.
By showing a complete unwillingness to stand by one of our strongest and most allies, the President has guaranteed that a war will come, and not a small one.
I believe they are going to think on all of this very differently once things become… active. What many are overlooking is the glaring fact that if and when Israel takes on Iran, it will then be facing a three sided war. The elections in Lebanon are going to produce more Hamas in political power, and Iran has been busy shipping not only man power to all areas, but are also plenty of arms and all that is needed to attack Israel and fight a three sided war if they are attacked.
Israel is faced with eradicating not just the nuclear possibilities in Iran, but with stopping the constant bombings and possible invasion from other areas. In other words, they will not be able to stop with just Iran because of Hamas and Hezbollah.
After Obama's Cairo speech an Egyptian business man was interviewed on Greta's show by a guest host. When asked what he thought about the speech he said it was the first time he had heard any American leader speak so well, (guess he was busy during the past 8 years), and that Israel had to make the first move and they had to "give up more". As others have said, a two party state is not going to end anything. The goal is to destroy Israel. Period. This is going to become very evident to American Jews as this thing plays out. The screaming memes over the two party state will then not have a leg to stand on, and the Jews here will be more than ticked and out of their stupor. I hope.
You are kidding right?
The value of a stable democracy in the Middle East would be one "payment". A nation willing to tamp down radical nuts like Iamadinnerjacket is a preventative measure which otherwise might cost us American lives, and not just military lives, but lives like those who died on 9-11.
Two words, "Iranian hostages". Look it up.
Uh, intelligence would be another payment. Especially since ours according to Meme P sucks. It is called the Mossad and I personally like those guys to be one our side more often than naught. Those dudes rock! While they operated in Africa back in the 40's to the mid and late 60's; the world was a safer place. They have a tendency to kill the radical Islamists also known as terrorists. I like that as a payment.
What kind of nation are we if we do not defend a nation who is constantly on a daily basis attacked by those whom desire their total demise? By defending and protecting Israel, we have the knowledge we have done the right thing. We do not always do the right thing when it comes to protecting nations. I for one did not like leaving all of the former Soviet block countries to the mercy of Russia. I also think we have not been active enough in protecting many in Africa. No nation is perfect when it comes to this, but we try to be better.
You asked for some to ignore any and all religious implications in protecting Israel. What about asking those who desire Israel's destruction to ignore THEIR religious beliefs and "imaginary gods"? The root of our protecting Israel is because of the religious beliefs of Israel's enemies. They never leave of religion, and find their religious beliefs are to trump those of all on this planet. So, why should anyone "ignore" their religious beliefs when it comes to defending Israel when the opposition NEVER "ignores" theirs?
I wonder how all of those Jews in Florida like Obama now? President Hussein is getting ready to kick Israel to the curb. It's not going to be pretty. It's plainly obvious that Obama hates Bebe Netanyahu and the Jewish state. Gotta like those left-wing Democrats. Thanks Hillary! They'd sell out their own mothers. Good Luck Israel.
God this site went downhill fast. Just pathetic.
Exactly. With the exception of Iran hostages – which has no bearing – and Israel has no power to change Iran or defeat Iran short of nuclear attack.
If Israel has value to America and cannot exist without American support then what do we want Israel to do? We are paying so what do we want?
Is it fair to ask Israel to stop settlements and let the Palestinians have a state or should Israel take all the land and throw the Palestinians out? Or should we continue to have this endless problem that every troublemaker from Hamas to Iran to Russia use to tie up the US in spending money and blood?
It would seem that you have to solve this problem and not antagonize 2 billion muslim in the world at the same time. Short of world war and trying to kill 2 billion people what do you do?
Reagan was criticized because he wanted to ignore the Middle East and the Israel/Palestinian problem. People had a fit. Look it up. (Sorry had to say that) 30 years later we still have the same problem.
The Conservative movement should articulate a solution that they think works and publicize that thinking. Otherwise Obama is at least doing something the way he sees fit and with the advisors he has. He's president, like it or not. It's his job to try to fix this mess. Good ideas from other sides of the debate would be useful. (I kind of agree with Reagan – F-em and let them kill each other without the US doing anything for either one. Probably will not work today though.)
First, I wouldn't sell the Israeli Air Force short. They can do incredible damage without using the nuclear option. Iran is a paper tiger militarily and Israel would blow threw them like a Hurricane through Miami. Also, Iran's government is without question one of the most viscious in the world and undeserving of support by men of good will. Israel on the other hand is our ally.
Second, you seem to forget that Israel has a tremendous presence in this country, politically, economically, in the arts, and in the media. A politician from any large city like New York, Miami, or Las Angeles would think twice before offending a wealthy, voting bloc of people culturally and religiously united. Throwing Israel under the bus would be short sighted politics.
Third, antagonizing 2 billion muslims might be a good thing. There are realities in the world of power politics and the muslims need to understand that honorable nations bound by treaties will observe them and not be bullied by violent thugs. Muslims deserve respect but not appeasement. Mr Obama's lack of a firm hand only emboldens the malcontents and miscreants to greater destruction.
Fourth, is it fair to interfer in the internal affairs of another country? Would you want China (holder of vast amounts of American resources) or Russia (another nuclear power) telling America what it must do with its borders or its internal conflicts? You notice they didn't mandate how we should resolve the mess we made of world finances. The US meddles and we shouldn't. If we can't offer Israel positive support, we should butt-out respectfully.
Last, I agree the conservative movement should articulate a solution as you suggest. Unfortunately, republican party leadership seems to prefer giving the president enough rope to hang himself and them playing gotcha. Since Obama and the Democrats in congress seem to want some revenge for the Bush years, I can't blame the Republicans their conservative approach.
I'm sure He will. I have no doubt of that. The Book of Revelations tells the same story, about nations gathering against Israel in a final blowout war right before the Second Coming of Christ.
I don't always necessarily agree with the way Israel reacts to provocation, but there is no doubt in my mind that they are, for the most part, in the right. They are constantly being attacked from all sides. One of the jobs this country has given itself over the past century is to stand up for those countries in need, those that are being bullied by other nations. Israel is in need, and more than that, Israel is our friend. When did we decide to stop standing up for our friends? When did we decide to turn our backs on them, and join in the bullying? This is a sad day for American foreign policy.
"Plus, our culture in the U.S. has unfortunately been waging a war against anything old. The 30 and younger crowd do not seem to be interested in learning from their elders, or seeing old as having a value. This leads to rejecting voices of wisdom, or that little voice of common sense urging one to pay attention to details."
Thank you! I've long been concerned by this growing trend. When did being old become a crime? When did it become a punchline? The elderly are, for the most part, active, healthy, and wise. They have the experience of their years, and they know what they're talking about. What do we 30-year-olds have? One decade of adulthood under our belts? Well, sheesh, now we know everything there possibly is to know! Those a few decades older than we are are not infirm, and they are not out of touch with society. They have much to teach us, if we only listen. There's a reason a 20-year-old can't run for President, and that's simply that he doesn't have enough life experience to have any idea what to do.
Thank you for the serious answers. Difficult issue in a difficult world. Too many were quick to bash Bush for trying and others now bash Obama for trying. The only one who did not try was Clinton – but that is the past.
The Israeli air force was a power in it's day next to it's own boarders. But, with modern air defenses F16's and a few old F15's having to overfly the whole Middle East to hit hardened targets in Iran won't do much except blow up a few easy building and a couple of air bases. They need air refueling to carry any combat load at all — and many multiple strikes. Not to mention that the US would have to grant them safe passage back and forth, back and forth over Iraq – if they got past the Jordanians, Syrians, and Saudis to face Iran's old, but upgrading Air defense. But you already know that.
I would not be quick to dismiss Iran as a paper tiger. To the US maybe, but they went toe-to-toe with Iraq for 8 years. Israel would not take them on unless they knew the US would back their play with troops – because there is no way Israel could get any troops there and Iran would come after them at their own choice of time and most of Europe and the rest of the world would not stop them.
China buys lots of oil from Iran. All those Chinese IOUs do matter if they loose energy and want the US to not back an Israeli attack.
Obama will do a lot of things – but I don't think he will hang himself. He ain't no David Carradine playing with himself in the closet – sorry, sorry, the devil made me say it! (It was too good to pass up!)
Butting out is a realistic option for the US. In our economic state and just seeing light to get out of the wars we already have in the Middle East I would oppose any US support of an Israeli attack on Iran and let them twist in the wind for it. And, I think they know that most Americans would at this point.
"This administration keeps changing the rules and raising the bar. Eventually they will raise the stupidity bar so high that we will have to find a new word or phrase to describe there ineptitude. The word stupid just won't cover it anymore!
Suggestion?"
How about word "Obama"
Mr. President,
Your decision to keep Tax Cheat Geithner on board is incredibly Obama!
Your ignoring of Israel is so Obama.
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