Act of War: North Korea Holds American Hostages
by Endre BaloghThe tin-pot dictator, Kim Jong-Il (who has turned his entire country into a Communist Gulag) has snatched a couple of American journalists, dragging them across the border from China to be tried on trumped-up spy charges and sentenced to twelve years of hard labor. Here is how the North Korean news agency reported it: “The trial confirmed the grave crime they committed against the Korean nation and their illegal border crossing as they had already been indicted and sentenced each of them to 12 years of reform through labor.” Isn’t that a great line, “Reform through labor…”? Given that almost everyone in North Korea is already starving, I suspect that Euna Lee and Laura Ling are not likely to survive twelve years of “reforming” big rocks into gravel.
At the same time, dictator Kim Jong-Il rattles his puny saber and threatens that if any of his ships carrying nuclear materials to other rogue nations are stopped on the high seas, he will consider it an “act of war.” Well, gee… There was a time not too long ago when the kidnapping of American nationals would have, in itself, been considered an “act of war.” I imagine that had Teddy Roosevelt or even Ronald Reagan been at the helm when Kim Jong-Il took two American nationals hostage, the response would be quite different. More likely it would have gone along the lines of: “You have 24 hours to return our citizens before we start obliterating your military bases – one every hour until the hostages are set free. If we run out of military bases and you still continue to hold them then, unfortunately, we’ll have to start on your cities. Have a nice day.” Then, like any good parent, we would follow through with our pledge.
The United Nations, that feckless and ineffectual cesspool of corruption would, of course, raise a momentary wail of crocodile outrage which would die down in a week or two as the world breathed a collective sigh of relief in the knowledge that the North Korean regime had finally been put in its place.
“Oh, but they now have nuclear weapons and will start a nuclear war,” you say. I doubt it and here’s why: Nuclear bombs are very difficult and expensive to make. North Korea has tested two of them. Those tests were separated by several months, which indicates that they are still very much in the development stage. The first one was very low yield and may not have even been a nuclear detonation at all. By way of historical comparison, when we were at war with Japan, after an unprecedented amount of expense and effort we had amassed an arsenal of exactly three nuclear bombs. The first one we tested in the Nevada desert and the next two were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At that point we had shot our entire nuclear wad. It was only because the Japanese believed we had more bombs that they decided it was better to surrender. This points to the likelihood that North Korea, at present at least, doesn’t have a big stockpile of nuclear weapons. Nor do they have any sort of reliable missile delivery system in place that could be geared up in time to give them much clout. Finally, our military technology is so vastly superior that, at present, they pose little substantive threat to our allies or us. The important words to remember are “at present.” The more time we give them, the more likely they are to make themselves into a far more significant menace.
But, so much for fantasies. We now live in kinder, gentler times. Pipsqueak lunatics with over-inflated egos like Kim Jong-Il are permitted to boss the U.S. around with their grandiose threats. So, thanks to our President and State Department dithering around trying to find just the right words to cajole Kim Jong-Il into giving back our journalists, their plight has petty much dropped off the radar. It has been replaced by our Fearless Leader’s desire to immediately socialize health care before any debate can be mustered and his highly principled stand on making sure the FDA regulates the evils of tobacco.
In keeping with our new, more soothing approach to tough foreign policy decisions, I would like to suggest an alternative tactic for getting our two young journalists back. Al Gore, who employs them at Current TV, has indicated he is willing to personally plead for their release. If he does go to North Korea, I propose a swap. Let’s trade Al Gore for Euna Lee and Laura Ling. Just think of all the wonderful results that could come of it! We wouldn’t have Uncle Al jetting around promulgating his crackpot Global Warming hysteria in public any longer. On his days off from rock breaking he could even try convincing the North Korean establishment to go green and sink money into the alternative energy companies he stands to make millions from. Kim Jong-Il would be far happier having a real celebrity in captivity and even our own broadcast media could make it into an entertaining spectacle. I can see it now: “Nightline – Day 4,327 – Al Gore Held Hostage!” Maybe some good can come of this situation after all.







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Barry Zero is more likely to apologize to North Korea for the financial burden they'll bear incarcerating 2 US citizens for 12 years than threaten North Korean military bases and cities until they are released
But you can't hug with Nuclear arms!!
Can't we just send an autographed basketball or something?
That would be a fair swap, however under the 1953 UN cease-fire accords, it calls for only one blowhard per country. Kim IL has got that wrapped up, so big Al remains safe to protect the polar bears and us from ourselves.
Maybe if the whole Obama Administration clasped hands and Sang… Puff the Magic Dragon… the North Koreans would be so moved they'd just let the girls go in these Kinder Gentler Times that I'm hearing so much about. What say you Brothers and Sisters oooooommmmm.
and of course, isn't it ironic that Mr World Governance himself, pompous bureaucrat Algore- it is his employees
that have been 'interned'? After all, with one fell swoop the world was going to be healed- and then this…
What it really shows is that empty rhetoric and wishful thinking is no substitute for a muscular foreign policy.
The tiny thug in Pyongyang would have thought long and hard before capturing any of George W Bush's citizens.
So, Obama will most likely cut a deal, not covered by the press, of course- that will pay some kind of back door ransom- fuel oil makes the most sense- and then will send some fellow dilletant (not Jesse Jackson- they loathe each other) to make a triumphant return and declare 'victory'. The hapless twits who thought NO ONE would ever mess with them will be feted and given their own NBC prime time miniseries…
You can see it all happening, can't you?
I'm afraid that those two Americans will be sacrificed in the name of Hope & Change.
In this case it sure sucks to be American on foreign soil in the age of Obama.
Mr. Gore….you are no Ross Perot.
Yes, and then he'll tax the US citizens to raise the money to pay for their incarceration and torture and send it over with another apology that it can't be more, but you see, we owe China this huge sum of money…..
"Hey Charlie…..mind rolling over? I want the cool side of the bed."
"Yes, BaraQ….my holiest of holys"
Well Zero is no Teddy Roosevelt or Reagan. His minions in the press are already writing stories trying to lay the blame on Bush when there is another terrorist attack. As they know there will be one with the loser Obama Ceasar in charge. Nice how they are worrying more about Zero then the people that will die in the attack. Journalism is dead.
Didn't these gals enter NOKO illegally? Didn't they break NOKO law by sneaking into the country? And the authorities arrested them? Gee, go figure…
Maybe the USA should take a lesson from Kim Jong-il in border protection.
Yeah..Yeah…send Gore. But, he has to walk through the DMZ first. Please, Please, please……..
A liiiittle to the left Al. Yep. Little more……..Liiiiitle more…….
*boom*
ABC News – "Global Warming Solved. Planet Saved by Martyr Al Gore. Film at 11:00"
Oh, I love the phrase “Reform through labor…” too. It's dead on the money because…
I doubt these illegal immigrants will EVER enter NOKO illegally EVER again (once they're released and re-patriated of course).
"But you can't hug with Nuclear arms!!"
That's beautiful…I wish I were liberal so I could appreciate it more.
President Obama said he'd sit down and talk with the dictators of the world and everything will be All Better.
We're waiting.
we are intimately familiar with the DMZ- and nary a critter can navigate the world's largest continuous minefield. a panolpy of bouncing betty's, AT mines, toe poppers- you name it- a very, shall we say, 'picturesque' image in our collective mindset…
we all know the real reason that kim jong ill is kidnapping Amerincans..
cause he's so ronrie, so ronrie.. so ronrie and rearrie arone…
The situation with North Korean really highlights the weakness and inexperience of President Obama. This time his actions (or lack thereof) are speaking much louder than his words.
OK, this was a great freakin response. Very nice.
"Finally, our military technology is so vastly superior that, at present, they pose little substantive threat to our allies or us. "
I wish this were true, but I'm afraid North Korea could overrun the DMZ pretty quickly if they had a mind to. Losses among the troops (ours and South Korea's) guarding the DMZ would be substantial. Yes, we would fight back and eventually win, but it takes time to move into an offensive position against an enemy halfway around the world, and in the meantime the situation in South Korea would be catastrophic. Not to mention that the US military is already stretched pretty thin.
Armchair generalship is fun, but diplomacy is the only way out of this mess.
not to mention the tunnels… when the spring monsoons come many a GI has been awakened by a series of thunderous crashing sounds and a rumble underfoot- the collapsing of yet another tunnel the NK's are trying to build under the DMZ- and we're talking BIG tunnels; a T-60 can use it- this is the regieme that fatso Michael Moore (and Madeline Albright as well) said "we can do business with"…
both a head shaker and a head scratcher…
that begs to be made in to a cartoon short
Good article Endre, clearly none of this happens without the Chinese giving the green light. I'd say it's time for sanctions again but the only ones who will suffer are those poor souls in N. Korea whose lives are made a living hell under this miscreant, Kim Jong-II.
I don't know what the answer is or how this will ultimately be resolved. No question, our country is being goaded by this action and we are being tested. I hope we'll get to see what leadership looks like soon from our president on this issue.
In the meantime, say a little prayer for Laura Ling, Euna Lee and for their families.
I have yet to hear any news people (HA) ask why the great gore had two reporters in China or Korea. Just curious.
If Truman had unleashed MacArthur, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Just sayin'.
/snark
Wasn't there a story about a week or so ago saying that Al Gore was going to North Korea to secure the reporters' release since they worked for him? That seems to have gone nowhere.
I agree. This is a lesson of enforcing laws on the books, something we are starting to get away from because of 'empathy'. I believe the sentence is generally fair in its framework and the State Dept. should not bear the burden of the negotiations. Don't poke a hornet's nest and then be surprised when you get stung.
If they put Gore in a labor camp, it would be the first day of real work he's ever done. And breaking rocks would be more productive than anything he's done since he was elected as a US Senator.
Does anybody know what really happened with these ladies? This post says that NOKO "snatched a couple of American journalists, dragging them across the border from China" Another piece I read said they entered legally and were filming/photographing where they shouldn't have been.
As it relates to NOKO, they are setting the example for flicking-off the US and other concerned nations. No doubt Iran gets sustenance from Korea's rebelliousness and watches our response. Venezuela, with its current idiot president and FOB, may likewise be emboldened to add to its arsenal. This is an issue that will not go away and must be addressed decisively by someone. Apparently we're no longer the world leader on these issues although when it comes to a negotiated settlement the US taxpayer will probably foot most of the bill..
I like it !
Hey – don't malign Puff!! Let 'em sing You're So Vain or Kumbaya or If I Had a Hammer or MC Hammer____Can we send Carter too – 2 for 2? pretty please? __I bet the temperatures on this side of the world will drop with those 2 hot air producers over there. and -poof- no more Global Warming
Sooo… what do you want? Invade… AGAIN? Another war? First of all, I am very happy we have a president who does not use invasion as a diplomatic tool. Talking is good. I hope that Obama can do something I really want for America… a genneration where there are no new cases of post tramatic stress syndrome. Give our young people a break.
I'm not sure I agree that diplomacy is the only way out of this mess, but as Clausewitz said, "war is the continuation of diplomacy by other means." That said, you are absolutely right about what the real problem is. Seoul is a short stroll across the DMZ from the North. Our ally would be devastated before we could do much of anything. This is not a simple problem with a simple solution and I wish we had something better than the Great Speechifier in the White House right now.
He's already walked the Perimeter when he was stationed in Nam as a Army Journalist with a Bodyguard. Oh Yeah Al Gore man of Steel. What a Guy.
[1] from what I have read elsewhere, they were on the proper side of the border when they -um – "disppeared" into NOKO territory.
[2] the reason NOKO have such great border control is they use it to keep folks from getting OUT. imagine trying to escape TO China – ya know it's bad when that's your goal. I bet the E German guards were dynamite at catching folks sneaking into E Berlin!
Truman and the rest of them were scared of MacArthur.You couldn't do Business with him, he was a Combat General. He was from the Old School and believed in a refreshing concept. The concept of Wining. May I suggest the book AMERICAN CEASAR by William Manchester Terrific Read.
I'm a big MacArthur fan, and know his story in detail. In fact, I graduated from Douglas MacArthur High School. ;^)
The little Korean creep that is killing his country is a huge fan of Daffy Duck – I kid you not – so why don't we offer to make a cartoon with him and Daffy in exchange for their release? Work for Warner Bros. and then Lisa Ling and her sister and the other lady and Algore can all publicly apologize to the American public for causing the trouble.
I do feel sorry for the two young reporters, but this definitely falls under the general heading of "what in the **** were they thinking?".
It doesn't much matter to me whether they were picked up in North Korean territory or a mile or so across the border in Communist China.
I spent a year of my life watching the North Koreans from the "right" side of their other border, and no, military action is not an option, my saber-rattling friends on the Right. This is not the "Republican Guard". During my stay over there, one of our own military officers was brutally murdered in the DMZ while on a tree-cutting expedition, by North Korean regulars brandishing axes. We did nothing about it.
The president at the time? Jimmy Carter.
Leave me out of it.
Oh can N. Korea really obliterate Hawaii so that the military can take over in a bloody coup and get this country back to the fearless power that we used to have when it came to these dictators that think they are a god?
I say N. Korea obliterates our state and then we obliterate the whole country…
*sorry if I seem a bit extreme… but I am tired of these pansy democrats that make Bill Clinton look like a powerful leader… :/
Hillary Clinton said "This is a humanitarian issue" and somewhat indifferently appealed for their release a few days ago and I was very upset by this and thought that she missed a golden opportunity to demonstrate that she was not to be toyed with by foreign dictators, but she botched the job anyway… The clear message we need to send as a party and as a people in general is that we will not permit American lives either here or abroad to be falsley imprisoned and I believe that is exactly what happened. I know what Reagan would do, he'd dispatch the fleet and commence naval wargames exactly 12 miles and 12 feet off their shore and might accidentally blow up an imperial palace or two in the process.
Hm… maybe that's something we should implement here…. Nah… that would be racist.
It's obvious, isn't it? Look at the satellite pictures of the Korean Peninsula at night. Which side has the better carbon footprint?
Gore is on a fact finding mission.
My heart really goes out to these unfortunate women, regardless of their political stripe. I wish it was as easy as breaking rocks, the inhabitants of the GULAGS of North Korea last on average 6 MONTHS the conditions and work are so appalling. I highly recommend the book "Aquariums of Pyongyang" written by one of the few that were able to successfully escape these horrible places. It's hard to read, because it's hard to believe. Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to see this regime get theres, there is the problem of more than 100k NoKo soldiers and their armament all sitting at the DMZ just waiting to attack. Seoul is 30 miles away, and is pretty much held hostage as far as any real attack on their Northern "Neighbors".
I'm a fan also went to his wake at the 7th Regiment Armory in Nyc when I was a kid. Big Big turn out very impressive.
"… a generation where there are no new cases of post tramatic stress syndrome. "
Not that I'm advocating another war either, but enough with the crocodile tears.
"Give our young people a break. "
Give me a break.
You can see it all happening, can't you?
Not if "Obama will most likely cut a deal, not covered by the press, of course-"
What happened to the "open" administration?
Planet Saved by Martyr Al Gore. Film at 11:00"
Oh please. Do I have to watch.
Just tell me the good part. You know, right after the *boom*
But won't that add to the Global Warming?
And what will the EPA say about it?
You scary little uninformed man. What type of fantasy world do you live in. I suppose you have inside information that they were on China's side of the border. All reports have stated (also from the guide and co-worker) that they had croosed. So, mister big balls we should let the missles fly huh. Do you want to explain to the people of Seoul how you are going to stop the thousand of NK artillery / rocket pieces from devastating the city. You do realize the proximity of Seould to the border correct. When your brian is the size of your testes, you should really not speak.
So, whats your suggestion?
All reports have stated (also from the guide and co-worker) that they had croosed.
So far the Korean Times and the Scripps News indicate that the exact location is not certain. Both indicate got too close to or even crossed over. The WSJ states "and it's unclear which side of the border they were on."
So, not "ALL" reports have stated that they crossed.
But then do not let the facts get into your way! Rant on.
I'm not shedding any tears for these little Gor-Al minions: the Norks can keep 'em and good riddance. Working for Gor-Al's propaganda rag? They got off easy with 12 years.
Play with fire, you get burned.
Would you rather light off WWIII and sacrifice millions to save a couple people? Moron.
Andre, you are right. The regime did it because they thought they could get away with it. In the NK case, appeasement is not negotiation, but the road to a horrible war with criminals who believe one more atrocity and we give it up they get away with it again. The commentators suggesting appeasement of evil ignore the questions of, one, how does the regime control the north if its army is in the south?? 2, our Air Force and Navy will go north if NK goes south, you think he does not know that? 3, The human costs of an NK attack across the DMZ are, as you say, horrendous. What makes you think that either the South Koreans or our forces are so gutless, witless and stuuupid they will not prevail over their disaster? The belief they would get away with it with greater atrocities is what led the Japanese Shibatsu to crimes they were convinced would produce appeasement, and Obi, and the appeasers, are repeating that history, with the exception that NK will have nukes, not carriers.
as long as that basketball is ticking and loaded with C4!
didn't mean you could SEE it happening, just that particular scenario playing out… the biggest lie of this lot so far is the 'transparency' thing. hard to believe anyone bought it in the first place…
Hell, he's not even Ross from 'Friends'!
loved the shot of him in his full battle rattle without the magazine in his M-16… that was, as MasterCard says, 'priceless'…
Sorry folks, but you're ignoring the dragon in the corner. Do you think the Chinese, who are looking for ways to take over as world superpower, are going to let us bully the tiny thug in Pyongyang? The Chinese have nothing to fear from DPRK, so it is in the Chinese best interest to play the "defender" of DPRK against the American bully.
If we do use military force, we have to strike very hard to keep the DPRK forces from crossing the DMZ, which would be their first move. I'm not sure we have the horses to do as thorough a job as needed.
I like the idea of substituting algore for two valuable US citizens, though.
The two young ladies should have their heads examined; how dumb do you have to be to deliberately want to even be NEAR the DPRK? No so-called job is worth that.
heavy man, heavy.
Good article. Not to nitpick, but the Trinity site was outside of Alamagordo, New Mexico. Still a big round dead circle out there in the desert.
The only way to stop this little thug for good is to announce, a la Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis, that any missile fired from North Korea that targets either the US or an Allie like Japan will be considered a missile fired from China, who are keepin this guy alive. Trust me, the Chinese are not interested in committing collective suicide over a nut case. He will be dealt with.
Unfortanatly, they'll start with Alaska (Juno or Wassillia) or Hawaii.
lol…I'm sure the author of this ridiculous diatribe will be booking tickets as we speak to Seoul. South Korea and await our bombing runs of the North. Of course, the 500,000 artillery shells raining down PER HOUR (Jane's Defence info) of chemical and explosive shells around his hotel from a maddened Kim Il might prove a small nuisance, but nothing our little Chicken Hawk can't handle, I'm sure.
These "bomb bomb bomb" everything Chickenhawks like Endre Balogh ignore Reality and History at will to suit their fake, phony agenda. Reagan himself caved into North Korean demands long ago, and left Beirut after 250 of our Marines were killed. Don't try and pretend Reagan wouldn't be doing anything different right now.
They need to be shunned by proper journalists. Not tortured and raped every day for the next 12 years!
Since I first heard of the abduction of these two women in March, I have held the opinion that Kim-I'm-ILL was/is going to use these two as a way of bending Firefly over and making him back off the NORK nuke program. During Gulf War I the US had six of the Nimitz carriers in the Gulf. I wolud hope Firefly is moving a few of them to positions off the Korean peninsula right now. A couple of Ohio class boomers would be nce too.
What makes me sick is that there are people who say that Gitmo is just as bad as a NK prison-work camp!
Okay, in Gitmo, you get medical care, three meals a day (religiously correct), worship books, clean clothes, beds, and no work.
In NK Prison, you get no medical care, fed once a day if you are lucky, no religious freedom, same clothes for a month (if lucky), no beds, forcably raped constanly (and forced abortions when women get pregnant), beaten for the slightest violation of the rules, work 7 days a week=365 a year and body disposed without a proper grave or burial when died in captivity.
YEAH THE TWO ARE THE SAME!
What makes me sick is that there are people who say that Gitmo is just as bad as a NK prison-work camp!
Okay, in Gitmo, you get medical care, three meals a day (religiously correct), worship books, clean clothes, beds, and no work.
In NK Prison, you get no medical care, fed once a day if you are lucky, no religious freedom, same clothes for a month (if lucky), no beds, forcably raped constanly (and forced abortions when women get pregnant), beaten for the slightest violation of the rules, work 7 days a week=365 a year and body disposed without a proper grave or burial when died in captivity.
YEAH THE TWO ARE THE SAME!
Yes we would have; Big Mac had a BIG EGO too…he decided not to crack the whip on the US 8th Army & allowed them to drive into the NK mountains while neglecting their flanks–he didn't force his commanders to make the troops get out of the trucks & into the hills along the roads….so they were allowed to drive right into a HUGE Chinese Army Ambush that routed them right out of NK; His replacement, Matt Ridgeway didn't neglect such fundamental line of march security issues & his use of MASSIVE firepower drove the Chinese back so fast they had to 'negociate' to survive; As for AA: I have LITTLE use for Manchester–he's too overtly and clumsily political(he took rediculous cheap shots at John Wayne & Nixon);
basically I meant, If you go to N Korea, don't be surprised if you end up doing 12 years.
Maybe even heavier then you!
Send in the mighty Seals.
the NK's have been geared up for 30 years to fight the old style Soviet command and control war of total annhiliation; only problem being is it that it is the one who will be, like the USSR the big loser in any conflict. it is a brittle military with 1970's era equipment, and a lot of WWI type chemicals- thousands of tons- which any expert will tell you is a weapon of terror, not war- and just makes your foe wipe you out rather than sue for peace. What the tinpot depends on is the fact we don't LIKE to take casualties and will try to avoid same. They, of course, could care less. Seoul would be devestated, but the ROK's are tough, well equipped and well trained, and can fight a war of attrition- something their brittle system can't…
It would be a 72 hour war with a half million casualties. Nasty bit of business…
Those are your words not mine.
Just look at what you originally wrote.
"Finally, our military technology is so vastly superior that, at present, they pose little substantive threat to our allies or us."
Hey Bonehead, read the entire article not just every other line.
That's the best you can do, name calling? Brilliant.
Uh, South Korea has a military too. also the South Korea of today isn't the impoverished, virtually undefended, South Korea of 60 years ago. While the US military doesn't consist of untrained occupation troops using war surplus weapons.
In any case, I find it hard to believe that North Korea could logistically sustain a military operation for any length of time. Especially after our air assets got finished working over the North.
Our troops in South Korea are what's known as a trigger force. If NOKO were to overrun the south, the death of our troops there is our excuse to go in.
I can't argue MacArthur's Ego it's well Documented as well as his failure's and Victories which were many Thank God . Every Great General has them. History is Replete with examples. As for Manchester . He was a Marine who fought and was wounded and survived Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa no small feat. In my book He can be as Political Clumsy as He wants and take All the Cheap Shots at Anybody He deems who has it coming to Them. Even Wayne and Nixon who I Respect with all their flaws.William Manchester… Earned It.
R in Connecticut.
Are you simply assuming that the South Koreans are going to simply cower in fear and not fire back? Ever hear of counter battery fire? Ever think that the No Koreans may not want to receive the "500,000 artillery shells" that the South will fire back? How about the air strikes from South Korean and American aircraft? South Korea has an army as strong as the North Korea's and the economic base to support them for longer then a quick desperate strike. And where do you suppose they get replacements from – the starving, brutalized population?
Freedom costs a buck-o-five.
If that missile Kimmy threatens to launch on July 4th comes any where within 1000 miles of Hawa'ii, The Dali-Bama should wipe out N. Korea.
Instead, he'll apologize for putting the Islands where they were in the way.
If it happens, I intend to hound everyone I know to have the SOB impeached for failing to protect the United States.
Save it for your hate group.
I am no fan of Al Gore. I would like him to find a nice quiet place, go there and shut up.
But I do not think that posts wishing for him to step on a landmine are good for the debate or the reputation of this site.
I posted this before, but I feel compelled to post it whenever this is brought up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfi4s8cjLFI#t=2m01...
Man, I miss President Bush.
The Dalai lama is great man.
BO is not weak. He is following his plan to destroy the United States. BO is a Chicago Thug "returning the wealth" to its rightful owners.
But… but… we sent them the NY Philharmonic only a year ago!
Philharmonic music director Lorin Maazel caused more controversy with remarks suggesting that the United States shouldn't criticize North Korea's human rights record because of its own treatment of prisoners at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks, should they? Is our standing as a country — the United States — is our reputation all that clean when it comes to prisoners and the way they are treated?" the 77-year-old conductor said in an interview with the Associated Press the night before the orchestra's departure for Asia.
(Baltimore Sun, February 24, 2008)
Now consider this:
T. Kumar, an Amnesty International expert on North Korea's abysmal human rights record, called the forced labor camps "extremely gruesome."
"There are no rest days. It's a backbreaking environment – with torture," he said. "They just beat the hell out of these people."
(…)
If diplomacy doesn't work, Ling and Lee face severe hardship in camps that force inmates to do mountain logging, coal mining and stone quarrying for 10 to 15 hours per day. The worst of the camps is Kwan-li-so Reeducation Center No. 15, or "Yodok."
One former bodyguard of tiny tyrant Kim – thrown into Yodok after he tried to escape the North – told Time magazine in 2002 he saw a prisoner dragged by a car until his skin peeled off. The man was then shot to death before the assembled prison population.
An ex-camp guard who defected to South Korea told Agence France-Presse last year he was "trained to kill all the inmates in an emergency."
Inmates can fall victim to a wide array of punishments, according to Amnesty International, the UN and the U.S. State Department:
Attempting or abetting escape: torture with hot coals while being hung from a ceiling.
Pregnancy: forced abortion; infants born alive are killed.
Forgetting the words to "patriotic songs": beatings, forced exercise or public humiliation.
Unauthorized communications: beatings with iron pipes or wooden sticks.
"After the beating, cold water is reportedly poured over the prisoners' bodies even in the middle of winter," Amnesty has reported. Others are forced to drink water until their stomachs burst. But most who die in the camps wither away from starvation.
(NY Daily News, June 9, 2009)
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I am Sam when this topic comes up. LOL!
No, our military is not "vastly superior" They have shown that in Iraq, where they have killed a lot of people and accomplished nothing, yet cost us what, about 700 billion dollars so far? And then there are the thousands of our best people sacrificed for nothing. Remember the Korean War? We didn't win it. It never actually ended, and is still a stalemate. You don't see anyone in the military clamoring for another Korean War, do you? No, only wanna-be tough guys like Mr Balogh(ney) here enjoy talking tough while they sit comfortably behind their computer keyboard.
I hope the best for the two American reporters, but anyone going anywhere near North Korea better know the risks before they go. Now they will be used as bargaining chips. Do you really think that they would prefer hundreds of thousands of people dying and more suffering extreme hardships, just for them? It is time you wanna-be tough guys who love the IDEA of a tough America to grow up and learn to understand reality. War sucks. Bigtime!
RE: Manchester…dang forgot he was a Vet of the Corp—and a survivor of The Shuri LIne…nevertheless, he was TOO fond of unverified nonsense when it came to politics.
O. k. Brother we'll let it go at that. Good Posting with you.
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Dear Mr. Balogh –
It would be sheer foolishness to send in Al Gore to rescue our two journalists! This is an unconscionable recommendation.
I would however support this peace mission if Mr. Gore were accompanied by President Jimmy Carter ret., the Reverend Al Sharpton, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, Mr. David Duke, Senator (don't call me ma'am) Barbara Boxer and Senator ( at present ) Roland Burris.
I forgive the failure of vision on your part. It is understandable in a person of such moderate opinions.
Hold on there Sir, Three Nukes? Better be paying a little more attention to the Big Hollywood website.
Bill Whittle made a magnificent video in regards to that little bitty incident.
http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_/Jon_Stewar...
I never knew, since the history class was a bunch of crap from start to end! My only wonder is where was the forth bomb used afterwards.
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