Earth Hour? Creator Hour!
by Doug TenNapelOur government dare not promote a national religion that refers to a traditional notion of God. We are collectively trained to avoid pushing our values onto others largely because relativism claims that there are no transcendent moral truths. But where we empty our lives of one religion, we don’t embrace neutrality, we just put some other dogma on the throne and claim “the debate is over.”
The worship and love of materials is our nation’s religion. I’d say it was a new religion, but it’s actually the oldest religion in the world, Paganism. Judeo-Christian values came from a pagan world with a radical new concept: the Creator, not the creation, should not be worshiped.
Recent leftist hysteria demands the removal of formal religion from public life. But they snuck in a new absolute for which we are not to argue. There’s no “true for you but not for me.” when it comes to the dogma of Global Climate Change. If someone tells me I have to change the light-bulbs in my house or I’m a bad person, I cannot reply, “Who are you to judge?” Their answer will likely start with something like, “Science says…” or “Everyone knows…” or a standard ad hominem like “racist,” “homophobe,” “anti-science,” or “Bible-thumper.”
My children aren’t allowed to hear about God in public school, but my seven-year-old daughter brings home Earth Day bullshit propaganda that instruct children to tell their parents to change light-bulbs, turn off lights, and re-use shopping bags. When my daughter obeys the national religion’s mandate I tell her, “Those aren’t our values. That’s not our religion. We don’t fear capitalism, and we pay for the energy we use. We believe in a God that is not the creation.”
I’d like to announce that Saturday, March 29th 28th from 8:30pm to 9:30pm local time is Creator Hour! We will make a statement that God’s illumination is the ultimate hope for mankind by turning on every light in the house for that one hour. Let your pagan neighbors self-flagellate themselves by depriving themselves of light. We need to make up for their lack of illumination by turning on yard lights, garage lights, maybe even start up the fireplace.
The Earth Hour website calls for us to “Vote Earth,” but I intend to cast my ballot for the other party: Vote Creator! Turn on the lights and show the pagans that illumination, inspiration, capitalism, creativity and sobriety in the face of hysterics is how we conquer our problems.
So, if you also have a higher opinion of the Creator than you do of fear-mongers, join me and turn on every unnecessary light you can from 8:30 to 9:30pm on the 29th 28th. I’m turning on my pool lights, I’ll light some tiki torches, and I’ll probably leave the fridge open for that hour just to make sure my carbon production offsets the liberal church-ladies shoving their religion down my throat.
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You haven't got the beginnings of the detailed knowledge required to even begin calculating the real cost of "paying for the energy we use" you silly self-righteous twit. Drag out your well-thumbed debauched and bowdlerized American Dumbed-Down Bible, the Jerry Falwell autographed edition, and see if you can find the parts about stewardship and responsibility, much less God's Glorious Plan for Unregulated Free Markets. The stuff a ho-ho up your hoo-hoo and increase your IQ by 10 points.
Hallelujah! You and me both. I'll be turning on every light in the house, and possibly run both cars, the lawn mower, edger, blower and chainsaw in the driveway, too.
I'd hate for my neighbors to miss my point.
Thanks for proving his point so quickly!
Thanks. I _feel_ the way you do also, but I recognize that turning on all my lights (which I usually do a good job of turning off anyway – I do believe in stewardship) is in the end a childish gesture.
We all have to recognize that turning off lights for an hour is a gesture, not a meaningful change to anything that could matter, even if you believed that CO2 affects the climate in a meaningful way.
But happily science has debunked human-caused global warming already, even if the world political machine and fear-mongers have only yet begun with it.
Being a Christian often enables us to look rationally and critically at the things that people say, without excess fear and without over-estimating the power of human wisdom. Hopefully as a group we learn to be a little more patient and not jump to conclusions and then onto bandwagons.
Cheers!
Me too! Every light will be on. And my husband is big on conserving…but only to save money. He is all over leaving everything on in our house as well. I have no problem conserving energy, but it has nothing to do with Global Warming mumbo-jumbo.
Indeed, I don't think the left actually gets the whole notion of irony.
Your post is a perfect illustration of the mindset of the blind devotee of the established religion of the Left. Is there anybody there under the bridge with you who can actually post an intelligent rebuttal?
Why don't you take your 'God', and his spectrally concieved son and take a flying f…..
I could be rude. But why? What does that get me? I am not a Christian. In fact, I am rather unfond of the faiths your upstart God has sown upon this Earth, but I will, like you, be showing my contempt for the leftist idiocy that will be outshone at 'Earth Hour'.
My gods are not involved in this–nor, I believe, is yours. This is the stupidity of man made manifest, and the intelligence of man fighting against it. Please refrain from kicking at other faiths as you fight stupidity lest you be cast in with it.
Like liberals, Christians have this tendancy to take this kind of swipe–taking it for granted that anyone who'd be here won't take umbrage. Everyone in the room is not a Christian–remember those discussions of how it felt to be at a meeting and have leftist dogma spouted while everyone was supposed to agree, remember people on this site describing their discomfort?
Why engage in the same behavior?
I am a conservative. I am also a follower of the old religion.
I try to live frugally, so I will have everything on for that hour, but after that I am going back to our normal frugal state.
Plunging the World into Darkness. As a metaphor for the agenda of the enviro-nazis specifically, and the left generally, opponents on the right could not have done better. All I will ever need to know about caring for the environment I learned as a Cub Scout, Webelos, and Boy Scout. If what I do is in opposition to Al Gore, then I'm on pretty firm ground feeling my actions to be correct.
To my daughters: Hi Lucy, Hi Ellen! Let's have a video call. Listen to Mommy and say your prayers. I love you, Daddy
Plunging the World into Darkness. As a metaphor for the agenda of the enviro-nazis specifically, and the left generally, opponents on the right could not have done better. All I will ever need to know about caring for the environment I learned as a Cub Scout, Webelos, and Boy Scout. If what I do is in opposition to Al Gore, then I'm on pretty firm ground feeling my actions to be correct.
To my daughters: Hi Lucy, Hi Ellen! Let's have a video call. Listen to Mommy and say your prayers. I love you, Daddy
I'm going to "stick it to the man" by just ignoring this garbage and doing my business as usual. If this was a worship of science, at least it would be logical. This is nothing more than a worship of unproven pseudoscience. If this group really wanted to make a difference it would encourage everyone to turn off energy consuming devices when he/she are not using them. Everyone can agree this is a good idea and they alienate half (or hopefully more) of their audience by playing this garbage from the (article mentioned) religious angle.
oh yes! more more! talk dirty to me while I turn on all the lights in my house.
Oh, and for that matter, I have an energy plan I know you would love! It is my plan to waste as much gas and electricity as possible from this day forward. I will even encourage more and more people every day to do the same. In this manner, we will us up all our oil that much faster and you will not be able to complain about our disasterous emissions any more.
Oh wait, that doesn't work. I forgot, you got the president and complete control of both houses of congress, and are STILL complaining.
But, are you going to leave the lights on ? (Tongue VERY firmly planted in cheek)
*MissQuinn*
Romans 1:18-32. It's much too long for me to post here, but I urge you to check it out. A few choice parts:
Verse 20: From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuese whatsoever for not knowing God.
Verse 23-25: And instead of worshiping the glorius, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes. So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.
I disagree with what you think paganism is….
HOWEVER….I am Totally with you on the 29th from 830 – 930pm…
Everything possible turned on.
Which time zone are you in ?
This kinda reminds me of the Carbon Day that Grassfire had many months ago.
That was fun !
"All I will ever need to know about caring for the environment I learned as a Cub Scout, Webelos, and Boy Scout."
Indeed, as had I. And look how the environmental left has treated them.
" …let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -Matt 5:16
Doug,
Your anger, especially at the public school system, is good and strong. Your humor is invigorating. Great idea!
P.S. – To " jack ",,,,don't know what ails you, brother, but it don't seem like that "old religion" you follow is leading you to " Enlightenment ".
Relax, Jesus loves you. ; )
Nicely done, wolfman
If our forefathers were really smart, they would have made the Church of England our church and limited the first amendment to free speech. After all, look what freedom of the press has got us — the liberal media.
Or we could have made the Congregational Church our state church since it was the state church of Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Hampshire.
Then again, President Obama is a member of the Congregational Church's new conglomerate, and we know that he is a Muslim devil worshiper. And maybe some of the patriots sided with Charles I and were still sorry he lost his head as the result of a bloody religious war.
Maybe we should tell anyone who isn't willing to get down on their knees and pray after the morning bell that if they can't love both God and Country, then they can take their sinful ways out of our public schools and start their own private schools where they can be free to worship their pagan environmental god, their devil Muslim president and the all mighty dollar.
YOUR GODS? You have your own gods? I think that is considered Schizophrenia.
I refuse to convert to your religion.
Besides, I'll be in the middle of the biggest spring blizzard in decades out here, and I don't plan on freezing just to satisfy your selfish demands.
Howls of gratitude. Great, now that guy's got me hungry for ho-ho's
Why do you have your daughter in public school if the environmental stuff she is being taught bothers you so much? Is private school or home-schooling not an option in your situation? (I don't know your situation so pardon me for being presumptive. It just seems that if it bothers you to the point of cursing about it, maybe you should look at an alternative.)
Guest-
As one diagnosed with Schizophrenia, I can tell ya' that when you're ' Schiz ' it DOESN'T mean you "have your own gods".
It means that when God needs to make a big decision, He calls you first. : 0
think i'll celebrate by finishing the installation of the "race only" exhaust on my bike.
if the greenies ever do start burning us as heretics against their religion, will they need to buy a carbon credit first?
ah, that explains why my cell phone wont stop ringing…
Hey we can send in our pictures and videos to their website. . .don't know if they'll keep them posted, but it's worth a try. I toast to all of you with all my lights on, two loads of hot water wash, running the dishwasher, turning up my fridge and anything else i can come up with.
I doubt Obama is a Muslim. That would require acknowledging a power larger than himself and that is not going to happen. His is a divine presence. Think I will celebrate my fully illuminated Erf Our by stuffing myself with Sea Kittens.
> I tell her, “Those aren’t our values. That’s not our religion. We don’t fear capitalism, and we pay for the energy we use. We believe in a God that is not the creation.”
Who the heck is saying anything about the 'fear of capitalism' with this Earth Hour?
Do you know that capitalism plays right into this?
This is the time to develop better energy efficient cars, solar power systems, alternative fuels. If this is done well entrepreneurs can make money and we as consumers can save money. And while doing so we don't have to overtax our electricity grids or add more pollution to the air and water. Don't think of Earth Hour in terms of 'global warming', which I agree is not 100% proven.
Think of this as a stepping stone about how to make a buck, save a buck and move into the future.
Rather than mocking or feigning outrage think of ways to harness energy with new ideas and ideals.
During my day at work, I usually stream music from the Windows media player, and Esurance is a big advertiser in the music streams, and I have to hear their (well, I actually don't have to hear it, but it's easier than ripping the buds from my ears or turning down the volume) commercials supporting this absurd Earth Hour garbage.
So needless to say I won't be turning off all my lights and appliances; nor am I going to be turning everything on either. I'm going to go about my usual Saturday night of watching old movie reruns on AMC or TMC, ignoring the Earth Hour proponents.
For those who are going to counter-demonstrate with blaring lights, remember that Comrade Obama want to increase your energy costs in the near future, so save your money…BTW attend your local Tax Day Tea Party April 15.
if hollywood really did go completely dark for an hour, the most likely response of the locals would be to start looting.
Wolfness –
Dude, answer the phone!
"He" could be trying to decide whether Angelina Jolie does "Atlas Shrugged"! !
God is imaginary… Finite resources are real… Case closed
I guess all of this ignores the fact that nobody is going to actually shut down power production, which means that the power not used during that hour will essentially be wasted. On top of that, if enough people burn candles during that hour, that will add extra pollution to our air. So, should we rename it to Waste Hour?
I'm sorry I'm even posting but I had to. I enjoy the freedom of religion here in our country. I also believe that as a nation and often as individuals we have it all wrong (way too often so have I). Start with priorities. I am a Christian. I am an American born and raised. I don't think its important to disclose my race because its a figment of the social imagination and no one would never believe me. I do care about the environment. I do care about the God-given liberty and justice that we enjoy as well. My motto is God first. Those who don't believe in Him can disagree with this stand and you are free to do so. I am not ashamed of the gospel in its fullness of love and redemption. I will not tout the mottoes of Self First, Country First, Esteem First, Hollywood First, The Dow First, or anything but what i mentioned first. Enough evidence exists to prove that God is "greener" than we could ever be. So its plain to see He wants His children to care too, but wait… Caring about the environment is not my soapbox. The cause of Christ is my first priority. Yes, care about the environment… but if we believe in Christ and do not support His mission then we are lying to ourselves. If not in all the gospels, look up Isaiah 58. Yes it talks about an acceptable fast day, but this should be everyday. That is how Jesus lived His life.
I want to say before I finish that yes, I love sinners. My mother is a sinner. My father is. So am I. So is everyone else. I will say I don't like sin. I hate it. It breaks the heart of my Father in Heaven. This is more a political blog than a religious one, but if you invoke the name of our Creator, never do so in vain.
PS. I have as hard a time listening to Rush Limbaugh as I do to Bill Maher. I have no political party. Is there one for me?
I'll be freezing right alonside you, brother.
Or, rather, I'll be nice and toasty inside with the heat on while all the unwashed brainwashed masses are shivering in the dark.
You know, if you want to say "I could be rude" you could help yourself better by… not being rude.
I don't have a religion, really. I could be rude, but I'd rather be rude to the idiots who came up with this Earth Hour load of manure.
(I'd make a reference to "THE BEAUTIFUL NIGHT!!!!" but I don't believe many people here have watched certain anime series from the 90s or so.)
Ah, don't worry, at all three stages you learn to stand up against injustice. Witness the famous slogan, "Webelos wobble but they don't fall down!"
OK, just got off the phone. He was just wondering if he should switch to Geiko.
LOL, we used to say that all the time back then.
it's a shame what they've done to Scouting. When I do something incredibly cool like lash something together or build a fire that will light with one match, I'm afraid to admit to others that I learned it in Boy Scouts. Hell, if Boy Scouts were promoted like it ought to be, I imagine there'd be a lot fewer gang members. Since a yearning for acceptance and self esteem building is the liberal talking point in favor of MS-13, you'd think that an organization that actually promoted those values without killing people would be more highly thought of.
Plunging the world into darkness indeed. I remember some of my merit badges have a lamp and a torch on them…
God is imaginary…
And your proof to back up that assertion is what?
So is it Saurday…or the 29th? Which one?
This will be a great idea once the liberals open up the school voucher system. Hey, maybe they can even voucher for home schooling, reimburse the parents. It'll be good for the environment, look at all the energy saved from not needing to bus those kids, and if enough learn at home we could close off whole sections of schools, even switch to smaller, more energy efficient buildings!
**FAA warning: Flock of pigs sighted at 3,000 feet and rising. Take evasive maneuvers.**
This is fine, but unnecessarily "cap and trade"ing old energy will do nothing but make us overall poorer and decrease capital for those who have the motivation to design these new technologies. For example, subsidizing alternative energy sources that are no where near profitable is ridiculous. It is nothing more than the reward of failure. Why is money handed out before compelling preliminary data is achieved?
dagnabit, i was just thinking, mmmmm, ho-hos. trolls are funny!
my bet is that if you are ever put in a situation that requires divinity, you are the first to call out to God.
Not only turning on the lights, but all things powered as well.
"My children aren’t allowed to hear about God in public school, but my seven-year-old daughter brings home Earth Day propaganda that instruct children to tell their parents to change light-bulbs, turn off lights, and re-use shopping bags."
Public school sucks. That's why God made private school, baby!
Its Saturday.
Oh really? You sure? You sound so ex cathedra when you do that.
i would be much more comfortable with a garden variety muslim than a member of the creepy insano church he actually went to.
You done beating that caricature into a bloody pulp, Marvin?
Somewhere out there are people with complete solar systems, batteries and all, and if they're even connected to the grid it's to sell the excess power to their local utility, they never have to buy.
And at this Earth Hour environ-mental liberals will descend, demanding they turn their lights off to show respect for the environment. This shall come to pass. Like jalapeno vegan chili.
I'll agree about the cap and trade. Just saying this is a time to at least explore those avenues. Time for a new Thomas Edison or Henry Ford who isn't concerned with where they stand politically [or religiously] but instead is focused on our future – and making a buck in the process.
Amen. Our country has lost its mind because we lost our soul first. When? When many people stopped reading the bible and stopped having their darkened hearts illuminated with truth. After a generation or two of that, we accept so many lies about every issue — so called political correctness, the environment, killing unborn children, the handling of money. I could go on.
Liberal minded America – don't confuse this with "conservatism." While there is considerable overlap, there are real differences in the foundation of biblical, Christian thinking and conservatism. To put it another way, while Rush makes a lot of sense, the bible is the authority for my decision making.
"Switch to Geiko"?
Wasting your Schizophrenic time with light stuff ?
Hell, "He" could of called an Insomniac for that !
What an incredibly well reasoned, thoughtful, and fact filled argument. The bit about bowdlerized dumbed-down bibles was especially well thought out. The coup de grace was definitely the bit about stuffing ho-hos in hoo hoos.
Yet another example of the keenly honed intellect to be found on the left.
Now please, go drool on yourself somewhere else.
Hmm…I like your thinking!
Hey Nat, they've really not done much to Scouting itself. They've attacked it mercilessly, yes. they've tried to change it, lord how they've tried. But their efforts have mostly fallen short. Sure, local funds have been pulled, or meeting venues have been denied. But in the end the Scouts just pick up and find a place where they are wanted. Places that are probably provided by former Scouts. But the B.S.A. hasn't yet to my knowledge, given in to compromising the things set forth in the most basic of all Scout principles, those stated in the Scout Oath, and the Scout Law. The leaders have set a great example to their young charges about living up to the things you swear to. I'll never forget how in the movie Red Dawn, one of the first groups the invaders tried to round up and silence was the Boy Scouts.
You forgot one, surrealist- C02 does not cause global warming. You forgot another one, fantasist- world temperatures are dropping despite increased C02.
Case dropped… on your pointy head.
Go ahead, lets here the astounding logical and mental gymnastics required to back up that statement. If you've studied logic at all you'll know that you cannot prove that something doesn't exist. To do so you would have to be everywhere, at all times past and present, in every concievable level of existance. You can't do that. You hope with every fiber of your being that He isn't real, because, deep down in that quiet moment when its just you, alone in the darkness, you're afraid that if God is real, then you'll be held accountable for the things you've done wrong in your life, when the way to live without fear is to just accept the Grace offered by Jesus.
[...] Earth Hour? Creator Hour! [...]
"Do you know that capitalism plays right into this?"
Wrong.
Capitalism and market forces are the last thing playing into this. The price of energy is not allowed to be determined via market forces due to government interference – no nuclear power generation. No allowing for drilling oil in Alaska, off California, off Florida. President Idiot is also making coal fired energy illegal. So
"This is the time to develop better energy efficient cars, solar power systems, alternative fuels."
Oh really? According to whom? Why this need to try to control free markets? Not very capitalistic of you.
"If this is done well enterpreneurs can make money and we can save money"
Without government subsidies, no one can make money off solar or wind power. And that includes T. Boone Pickens. And subsidized, inefficient power generation saves no one any money.
"And while doing so we don't have to overtax our electricity grids or add more pollution to the air and water."
Re: electricity grids- wrong. Under your scenario, in order to provide constant service, redundancy needs to be built into the grid for no sun, no wind periods. That is, standard coal or hydro power capacity needs to back up unstable wind/solar. So we have increased strain and the inefficiencies of redundancy introduced – costly AND inefficient.
Nice conflagration of pollution (which is a real concern) and concern over c02 levels (which is a complete scam).
But the two are separate, and your statement fails.
Making a buck in the process- taking government money is not "making a buck", it's "taking a buck". Two very different things.
Unless I'm gravely mistaken, neither Edison nor Ford needed massive, deficit inducing subsidization from the government, which jugears the stupid is proposing with his "green energy" initiative/boondoggle. You invoking Edison and Ford's name here is absurd.
Doug, I hope you do turn all your lights on "this Saturday, March 29th." See you in 2014 when the last Saturday in March will actually be the 29th. This Saturday is the 28th. Idiot. You can't even read a calendar and we're supposed to listen to you go on about science? At least scientists can measure things and aren't all filled with spite for things that prove to them that your fairy tale god is pure BS. Good luck to you. When people are killing their neighbors for oil (instead of just neighboring countries right now) I'll remember you. Good luck trying to turn on your lights then. I feel bad for your children. Hopefully they'll learn to have minds of their own no matter how bad you brain wash them.
Golani,
You actually landed on one of the things they don't get, and that is irony. That is one of the ways we are different. I first noticed this about 14 yrs ago, and in everyone I have met, be they somewhat left, or full blown teh crazy, they just don't get it. Another thing, they aren't funny. Sure they can tell jokes, some of the best comedians are on the left, but they themselves, are not funny in real life. It is like they indoctrinate the happpy, funny and irony right out of them.
With everyone talking about turning every light and appliance on at the same time, it reminds me of that commercial for the tankless water heater where the woman leaves for work in the morning with everything running.
You'd think the environmentalist would be pushing those along with the compact flourescent bulbs.
Yes, tis true, for many of our friends on the left, their brain is their only part that regularly gets washed. As Dennis Miller would say, "Let's light this candle, Hiroshi!" I plan on being as warm and toasty as possible, as long as the power stays on. Why suffer needlessly before it may be necessary? I like the Creator Hour, concept by Doug. I think he will be more accurate than he even knows. As I said on the other thread on this subject, what else is there to do for an hour on a Sat nite? I expect a baby boom may grow out of this little experiment. Then, *gasp* there will be more people using our precious resources, and it will be far, far worse adding all of those extra bodies to our aleady over-crowded planet, so we would all be better off just keeping the lights on.
That reminds me of my favorite John Lennon song, Imagine! However, I start it off with "Imagine there's no liberals, it easy if you try." I will leave it to someone more talented to rewrite the whole song, but if they do, and record it, I will buy a few copies.
like at huffpo….
LOl, Sgt. Rock, Dark wolf. Well played. Schizophrenia is a true mental disorder. What those people are is just plain old bat s#it crazy.
Glue –
I just come here for the laughs, but, if you're gonna infuse the threads with real-life learning and valuable information, I'm gonna take off my "Three Stooges" boxers and switch to my "Atlas Shrugged" capris.
Speaking of which….Hey, did you hear God and 'Darkwolf' finally decided Angelina is gonna play Dagny Taggart?…
….Yeah, and Shemp Howard is doing a cameo as Frank Lloyd Wright…
…Whoo, man, gotta get back on my meds…..
How very intolerant of you. Stop judging me!
I can't say how scouting is doing all around the country, but my son was in scouting for 7 yrs., when we lived in a small town in Alabama. It was going fine then, we had a large troop, and plenty of parental involvement. Great experience. The Girl Scouts was where we had a lack of interest and lack of volunteers. A shame, truly, since the girls need the option that scouts brings, to counteract all the Britney Spears type mentality. It seemed to me, the only time that the Girl Scouts did anything, was when we were cookie whoring. I hated that part.
I could, but this is a constant source of annoyance–and it comes from people who complain when leftists do it. And I toned it down.
I do effects work, and am routinely surrounded by people who expect me to share their liberal idiocy….I come to places like this to get away from that…..and get the same thing from a different direction.
I will have my lights on….and a whole host of other things. But not for your god. For the pursuit of what is right.
ahem, Genesis 1:26 KJV "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Note the word Dominion, defined as: The power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority. Or: rule; control; domination.
So we are to control the world around us. Part of control is understanding the world around you. Meteorologists have difficulty predicting weather for more then a week out, why should we accept that they have more accuracy for decades out?
As for "God's Glorious Plan for Unregulated Free Markets" Thats easy. We are commanded not steal. If we live in a great glorious communist society such as Comrade President Obama wants, then no one owns anything, thus nothing can be stolen. To steal something it had to be owned by some one. The Bible refers constantly to wages earned for work. In the books of the Law (Leviticus 19:13) the Jews were commanded to pay those they hired at the agreed upon wages at the end of each day. That is the essence of capitalism. You get paid for the work you do, not by the government, but by the person that hired you. If you don't work, you don't get paid, and have to live off of the charity that people decide to give you.
Look, say we implement this turning lights off a regular thing. Know what the outcome will be? Higher power bills FOR US. Whenever they do this with water rationing, using less gasoline, then when people comply, they realize they aren't getting the revenues from the usages, so they raise the price to even out the difference. So, not only will you have to sacrifice to some degree, but they will charge you more for your deed. Remember, no good deed goes unpunished.
The Girl Scouts are very, very different from the Boy Scouts. I have 2 girls (9 & 5) and when my 9 year old was able to join the Daisies, I did a bit of research on the Girl Scout national organization, and articles from experienced parents. Wow was I surprised from what I learned. Basically the GS have been co-opted to a great degree for the feminist movement. And I'm talking about the left side of that movement. My girls live in SW Ohio w/ their mother. And it was the same thing, no volunteers to lead the local troops, so no real interest. lots of would-be female volunteers are put off by the not so subtle agenda of the GS. So I was kind of relieved when I was able to tell Lucy that our town didn't have a GS troop. The GS struggle for membership is of their own doing.
Dude, you don't have to like either one, I would say most of us vote Republican, because when they act what the core principles of that party stands for, they do well. However, I would hazard a guess that most of us consider ourselves as Conservatives first. Try living as a Conservative, then pick candidates on whatever side most fit that ideal. Hope this made sense, and helped. Maybe someone else can add to this that is better at explaning things.
They tried this asnine thing at work called 'grid basics' where, you could say what ever you wanted as long as you said "In the spirit of candor" first. I pointed out that its just an excuse to be a jerk, like saying "with all due respect" before you insult some one (i also made a joke later about a city on the planet krypton…). You're absolutely correct, he would have been better served by not being rude then saying "i coulde be rude…".
Me, I make no bones about it, if some one takes offense to something I say, then they can tell me. If I'm bothered by something some one says, I'll tell them.
All lights on, air conditioner running with the windows open, dryer running with no load. Should get the message across, especially if enough folks do it…
Jack, We have every right to bring God into the argument, just as you have right to bring your gods. environmentalism is a religion. Religion is defined as "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects" Environmentalism is an offshoot of secular humanism, such as Baptists are an off shoot of Christianity. Their religion attacks the foundations of all other religions, so we have every right to defend our faith, as you have the right to defend yours.
And, pray tell, which old religion do you follow? I ask simply because of my own morbid curiosity.
Woops! Thanks, I gotta fix that date.
Thank you, Mr. TenNapel. Now, THAT I'll mark on my calendar. God bless you!
See, these people were too cowardly to post their ridiculous opinions in the other Earth Hour-themed post, but then religion is mentioned – something they can easily lampoon. NOW they show their wretched faces (in a manner of speaking, of course). Since religion is such an easy target and all.
I have three computers, a TV, an Xbox 360, and loads of other lovely electronics…all will be on during Earth Hour. I can't wait.
Amen. Frankly, I'm baffled why some one follow any of the 'old religions' the old gods were cruel to even their favored followers (according to the myths anyways). I much prefer the Triune God of the Bible, who tempers justice with mercy.
It's nothing more than a ridiculous publicity stunt designed to make enviro-wackos feel superior to the rest of us. Energy efficient cars, solar power systems and alternative fuels are fine and all that, but that's not what Earth Hour is about. It's always been about the global warming/climate change hysteria.
Jonah, you old dog, I've been trying to compliment your postings for a month and a half, but kept missing.
So, take this as a compliment.
God knows when you'll get another one from me ! ; )
Vote Earth? If these schmucks get their way, nobody'll be allowed to vote for anything!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/1a4af347eb/eco-c...
Projection much?
*begins impersonating generic Austrailian naturalist in no way meant to be the late Crocodile Hunter… well, maybe a little.*
Crikey! Look at the size a this troll! Now, you've got to becareful around trolls of this size, as the amount of tripe, Democrat party talking points, ad hominem attacks, and kool-aid that they spew forth can easily crush the unprepared! Now, what you've got to do with a troll this size is to dig a really la-a-arge pit, throw in a copy of Farhenheit 9/11, An Incovienient Truth, or a picture Barack Hussein Obama. Stand on the opposite side from the troll, and yell something about how great God, W, or America is and watch its lumber waddle as it charges you and falls into the pit where it can be humanely starved to death.
I never laughed so much eating fish as when PETA started that stunt.
My Christmas lights are still on the house. Around here, we refer to them as "fiesta lights". Note to self, make sure to turn on Fiesta Lights for added glory and sparkle!
As a mindless drone working in the energy industry I can tell you about the 'alternatives'
Wind does not provide a consistant source of power, meaning you have to have a back up, such as Coal, Oil, natural gas, etc. Its also inefficient. Environmentalists complain it kills birds and no one wants it in their area.
Solar is not consistant and is insanely expensive. Florida Power and Light is building the world's largest solar power plant. The projected cost per KWH when its finished will be about 16 cents per KWH. the average cost of Coal is 4 cents per kwh, Nuclear is 3.
Hydro is cheap, abundant, and a good choice, but the Environmentalists who refuse to let us build coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc, also refuse hydro plants because they hurt fish… FISH!!!!
Geothermal is efficent and decently priced, but only viable in areas near vents, volcanoes, or hot springs.
Tidal is like a combination of Geothermal and Hydro, its efficent and decently priced, but the tree shaging, fish kissing hippies are opposed becuase it could hurt fish, and it can only be placed around the coast.
High capacity batteries are being developed by many different power companies, but they don't generate power, they only store it.
American Electric Power is building an Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle power plant. This turns coal into natural gas, which seperates the impurities from it, making it burn cleaner (This is clean coal technology). Its expected cost per KWH will be about 8 cents. The environmentalists oppose this too.
There have been 13 applications for new Nuclear plants filed in the last four years. Last I heard the process has been stalled under the new administartion, where as before they were being rushed through, because the previous administration understood we need more generation, not less.
O..k..a..y
While I see your [overanalyzed] point it seems you aren't interested at all in innovation. Should we all just sit around and do nothing for the rest of our lives because the system is rigged and drilling is off the table?
I don't know about you but I've been hooking up with people who use such things as peanut oil for fuel and working on engeneering feats that would blow your mind. Someone's got to do it.
BTW we have to move beyond drilling. Way to expensive with very little results to show for it.
The one option might be to drill the Rocky Mountains. But, seriously, good luck with that.
I'd rather find new ways then fight that fight – which I wouldn't anyway.
Oil is almost never used to generate electric, it makes up a miniscule part of the generation capacity and is too costly to use extensively.
Natural Gas and Coal are cheap, efficient, and are getting cleaner as technology advances. The environmentalists hate coal and gas with the intense fire passion of a thousand suns.
Just saw a news story about how a navy scientist things he may have redsicovered how previous scientists found fusion. If they can harness that, then all this discussion becomes moot. But thats a massive IF.
If I missed something let me know and i'll gladly tell you why it is or isn't being explored/used. Because its all about money, most of these moonshot ideas aren't viable in a free market, thus why they are used.
hey hey! Thanks! I've been busy the last month and havne't posted as much, i've been doing my part to support to pay for this massive spending by contuing to work my butt off and rendering unto ceaser that which is ceaser's:-D
I miss the Stooges… all five of them… I heard that MGM is going to make a Three Stooges movie with Sean Penn as larry, Jim Carrey as Curly, and Benecio Del Toro as Moe… it worries me.
I suspect it's the Cult of Cthulu, complete with the Elder Gods and Old Ones. I don't know what this guy's so po'd about, but I generally find that if I'm going to try to convince someone of something, it's best not to start by insulting his intelligence, his God, his mother, his wife or his family. Particularly good idea not to start by hurling the f-bomb, written out in full or with missing letters.
Actually, it won't be wasted, the power companies can sell that power to other businesses that aren't stupid, who can, for an hour, get a lower rate and more power. The real way that power is wasted is something that major utilities are forced to have, called "Provider of Last Resort" Which is where a major power company has to have enough power available at any time to supply the customers of Co-Ops and other small start up power companies should they go under. Its power that can't be sold or used, it gets wasted, just because it has to be availbable just incase other businesses fail.
I was also planning to turn on all my lights tomorrow night. I'm glad this has been dubbed "Creator Hour" which gives me one more reason to do it.
Love the fridge idea!
I was tempted to vote for Cthulu in the last election, I mean, why vote for a lesser evil?
I kid, but only a little. Seriously though, most of the so called 'old gods' were harsh, consider that Zeus strapped poor Prometheus to rock to have insides ripped out every day by Eagles just because he gave man fire.
My ancestors' norse gods weren't exactly Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm either. But they make damn fine opera. We invented the Lady in the Brass Brassiere. Brunnhilde, where are you when we need you?
I'm going to be turning on all the lights in my home. As well as starting a roaring fire and cranking the AC on at the same time. Then I'm heading over to my business, a custom wood shop, and turning on every machine in the shop for an hour:
Industrial sized dust collector, table saw, plainer, air compressor, 24" sander, CNC machine and they all run on 220V.
I'll also be turning on all of the smaller 110V varieties: 2 Band Saws, 2 smaller dust collectors, a variety of routers, lathes, grinders, more sanding devices, and crank on all the computers and lights as well. I might even tape all the chop saw triggers so they can run as well.
While this is all going on I'll be ripping up some Red Oak (take that tree huggers) for a project that I'm working on and when I finish I'll fire up the charcoal BBQ for a nice juicy steak.
The religion haters are about to feel what they have been dishing out for quite some time.
i love this idea! Creator hour! well, i will be at a friend's theatrical production in Hollywood during this hour, but i plan to leave my lights, computer and tv on while I'm out. hmmm… wonder if the producers of my friend's play are planning on turning the lights off midway through the show? i bet raking in some dough is more important to them.
Awesome! I love it.
Looks around at those 'energy efficient night lights' and thinking of actually just popping every last one into every available outlet at the same time.
Thanks for your tolerance!
Oh, and by the way? Stop forcing your religion down our throats. Goodbye.
Can I substitute Ding Dongs?
Another one? Once again, thanks for the tolerance.
But Butler the cookies are so yummy!
Hear, hear! I'd heard vaguely of this Earth Hour thing, but I didn't know when it was or what it was all about until I looked at the web site today. I'm still not clear about what exactly it is supposed to accomplish or even what message they are trying to get across.
All I know is that we are bombarded with this stuff from every angle, 24/7. It truly has become a religion of sorts in this country. If people want to be into that, fine. But we are preached to from every corner and forced to follow their practices whether we agree or not.
I am sick of it!
NEWS ALERT: Vince the Shamwow guy, who's got friends here at BH has been arrested for beating up a hooker. I guess his fate will be similar to the pot-smoking "Dude you're gettin a Dell" Kid.
Go here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0...
There's this thing out there, called faith. It means believing even when there is no evidence to support you. Sort of like Man Made Global Warming. I put my faith in God and He has never let that faith down. You have put your faith in Global Warming and what happened this winter? Worse winter the United States and several other countries have experienced in a long time. Hottest year on record?1933, over half a century ago. Next year? 1998. It's actually cooler now then a decade ago. They thought it was 2008 until it turned out that NASA made a mistake and counted October twice.
Besides, who decided this was the ideal temperature of the planet? Maybe the planet is better off warmer. "Oh , but what about the animals that might die off?" The lefties are the ones promoting evolution, not me. Doesn't Darwinism say adapt or die?
There's this thing out there, called faith. It means believing even when there is no evidence to support you. Sort of like Man Made Global Warming. I put my faith in God and He has never let that faith down. You have put your faith in Global Warming and what happened this winter? Worse winter the United States and several other countries have experienced in a long time. Hottest year on record?1933, over half a century ago. Next year? 1998. It's actually cooler now then a decade ago. They thought it was 2008 until it turned out that NASA made a mistake and counted October twice.
Besides, who decided this was the ideal temperature of the planet? Maybe the planet is better off warmer. "Oh , but what about the animals that might die off?" The lefties are the ones promoting evolution, not me. Doesn't Darwinism say adapt or die?
Shoot. I wish I'd been home this evening to engage in childish protest of cultists trying to dominate my private life. Instead, I was leaving a heck of a carbon footprint driving 240 miles to pick up a couple of my daughter's friends for an overnighter to celebrate her 18th birthday. The Green People can soak their heads.
Shoot. I wish I'd been home this evening to engage in childish protest of cultists trying to dominate my private life. Instead, I was leaving a heck of a carbon footprint driving 240 miles to pick up a couple of my daughter's friends for an overnighter to celebrate her 18th birthday. The Green People can soak their heads.
Now who will we replace Obama with? If he had only just not paid his taxes!
Meh. I'm all for an official day of commemoration for the intellectual bankruptcy of the modern conservative movement, but limiting it to the environmental ignorance aspect doesn't do it justice. Perhaps a more general celebration that also includes the moral backwardness and geopolitical bellicosity that stupid/conservative people so proudly define themselves by. Ronald Reagan Day sounds about right.
Meh. I'm all for an official day of commemoration for the intellectual bankruptcy of the modern conservative movement, but limiting it to the environmental ignorance aspect doesn't do it justice. Perhaps a more general celebration that also includes the moral backwardness and geopolitical bellicosity that stupid/conservative people so proudly define themselves by. Ronald Reagan Day sounds about right.
I'm not getting into a huge religious debate because it's not the place for it, but I have to make one small correction here.
The Bible's idea of faith is quite different from what the world these days takes faith to mean. The Bible does not teach people to believe in God 'with no evidence to support it'. There's plenty of evidence, including fulfilled prophecy, the historicity of the gospels, and the wonders of this world, to name a few. is there one thing that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt? I don't think so, especially for those who have already made up their minds to reject God, without examining the issue at all. But there's not NOTHING. God does not ask people to believe against all reason.
The rest of your post I can stand behind.
Um, have you guys ever heard of Easter and Christmas? You know, uh, 6 days a year is a bit bigger than one hour. Crazy, I know, me and my "science" with my politically correct "facts" and "observance of passages of time"
Amen, Bev. Usually I have to look through a few posts to find a lib moron. This comes right out of the gate!
Phillip 1:1 – "the foundation of Liberalism is dishonesty"
HUH?
The Norse legends are awesome. and the idea of Valhalla is awesome, drink, eat, fight, drink, eat, fight. Don't get me wrong, I don't drink, but it would take a few thousand years for me to get tired of eating and fighting.
The Norse legends are awesome. and the idea of Valhalla is awesome, drink, eat, fight, drink, eat, fight. Don't get me wrong, I don't drink, but it would take a few thousand years for me to get tired of eating and fighting.
did you actually read my post? I said he has every to bring his gods into, just as I have the right to bring God into it. Besides "Why don't you take your 'God', and his spectrally concieved son and take a flying f….." isn't the epitome of tolerance. Besides, this notion of Tolerance is ill thought out anyway. By telling some one to be tolerant you're being intolerant of their intolerance. And my question about which old gods he worshiped was asked because I'm really curious, there are thousands of old gods (heck there are thousands alone in Shinto) and just saying 'old gods' or 'old religion' doesn't tell me much.
Your pretentiousness knows no bounds, Jon. Phillip 1:1 – "the foundation of Liberalism is dishonesty"
Are you admitting that AGW is a religion? If you are doing so then let me be the first to remind you of the separation of church and state this should sound familiar.
No God in school no Global warming in school. Fair is fair right?
What "science" are you referring to climate change. The climate changes constantly minute by minute, day by day. Could you please show me your science that points to when the climate has not changed.
ps
Politically correct only means liberal censored speech.
Problem is, there are no virgins in Valhalla. But with all the eating,drinking and fighting, we wouldn't have time for that anyway.
Good job, Doug…I'm with ya, man. God bless.
Not like the wealth of knowledge that liberals have bestowed on say California. Liberals and their supper intellect have all but bankrupt it. Why stop at just one example when we have New York as well. The liberal ideology has even Alec Baldwin questioning all these noble liberal ideas that always lead to more taxation.
I would be for a Ronald Reagan Day though, he was the man who saved this country from Carter and his liberal stupidity.
I am right about everything.
"…Finite resources are real…"
This is true. In about 10^(100)* years, all the energy in the universe will be exhausted. Until then, the only thing finite is our ability to collect it.
(*that is 10 to the 100th power)
Not so sure about that. Let's go to the replay…
"Why don't you take your 'God', and his spectrally concieved[sic] son and take a flying f…..
I could be rude. But why?"
I would say you get an check-minus in the "not being rude" department.
Why can't atheists manage to play well with others? They're all about pouting and sulking unless eveyrone else will play by their rules.
Please grow up. You are not the king of the Universe and your beliefs are not the only ones that can be expressed in public.
If liberals could learn to live and let live and become more peaceful, gracious people, the lack of steam coming out of their ears would probably drop the earth's temp by a full degree.
Good cookies, but they had to get someone else to sell them besides my daughter. I have always been self-employed so there wasn't an office to go to to pawn them off, and I wouldn't anyway, so that left me having to take my kid door-to-door. I really p'od my daughter's school when she was in first grade. I told them I preferred she didn't spend her time practicing to be a Fuller Brush salesman, or a prostitute. The Girl Scouts didn't seem to care for that mindset, either. Go figure.
I still get weird flashbacks while in the produce dept and see a large cucumber. Those chicks performing fellatio on the veggies was disturbing.I still laugh about those Sea Kitties, too. "Don't hurt their feeeellliinnggss!"
Interesting update and extras, Jonah. My uncle was VP of Georgia Power back in the 70's, and then he was put in charge of overseeing the building of nuclear power plants. They were awesome, I remeber visiting them as a child. What a waste that we can't have nuclear power, but the Frogs can. We can't drill for oil off the coast, but the Chicoms can. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
THE.FUNNIEST. UNINTENDED. COMMENT. EVER!
That is a knee slapper. In case you guys don't know it yet, Jon is right about everything. Amazing.
I’m an evil business owner as well, and once again in my office on “Saturday.” Thankfully my daughter didn’t go that route she was into, Ballet/Dance, Karate, etc. I was just being silly about the cookies, but point of fact they are yummy.
You are a class act, Mr. TenNapel. God bless you again.
Amen, brother! EXCELLENT post right there! We are going to do the same thing tonight! Thanks for the great thoughts and different view!
I didn't take it in an offensive way, I hope you didn't think that. I just got really aggravated with all of that crap a long time ago, and hate to see they still do it with all the kids. Kids don't need to sell things to raise money to build character, etc., for the most part this stuff gets off loaded on the poor parents.
None taken, in fact I agree. Truly a pain in the tail!
Government imposed environmentalism is a perfect example of Jonah Goldberg's definition of fascism: The religion of the state. It's the happy, good intentioned fascism of Mussolini that American progressives fawned over before Nazism changed everyone's perception of it, and distracted us from seeing how fascism thrives on the left.
I don't mind turning off the lights for an hour. I think conservation is a good cause and getting people connected who support a good cause is a valuable resource of democracy. Just so long as I don't have to turn off the NCAA basketball tournament. GO MIZZOU!
"Moral backwardness", much unlike the tax cheats that Obama's trying to place in his cabinet? Or Spitzer, or Blagoyavich? Are you sure that you want to state something so ridiculous as to claim liberal/leftwing proprietorship over morality? That would be very intellectual of you.
After all, government enforced "morality", supported by intellectuals, has never encroached its way to totalitarianism, fascism, or communism, right?
That's funny, because there are other "scientists" who possess "facts" and "observance of passages of time" who say that global warming is total BS. If you're so objective, then why doesn't their opinion matter to you?
I had a geology professor who was a self-described socialist — not a right winger by any means — and is quite passionate about dispelling the whole global warming scam. There are many Earth scientists like him, but they don't get the grants for spreading the environmental religion.
Starting twenty years from now, future generations are going to look back and laugh at the true believers of global warming alarmists. And they should. Dogma has sabotaged science to keep us from using a classically objective, scientific approach to observing our world. If you're alive long enough, you'll get to see today's liberals be compared to the Catholic church that repressed the ideas of Copernicus. It's going to be fun, and I'll subscribe to a healthy Vegan diet (devoid of trans fats) to make sure I live long enough to see it.
Is – is this blog real? It can't be. You all can't actually be – serious, about all this, can you?
This would take too many keystrokes to respond to. I'll instead refer you to my previous post with a personal assurance that it's totally for truth.
This environment worshipping is scary, isn't it?
No, it's a dream. Now go back to the real world of default liberalism where faith in government and good intentions will solve the world's problems.
"Why can't atheists manage to play well with others? They're all about pouting and sulking unless everyone else will play by their rules."
Wait. I'm sorry. I had to wipe my keyboard down. You made me spit Coke all over it. Good lord.
"Turn on the lights and show the pagans that illumination, inspiration, capitalism, creativity and sobriety in the face of hysterics is how we conquer our problems."
"sobriety in the face of hysterics"
"sobriety"
Nothing says sobriety like shooting your electric bill through the roof, I tells ya!
Maybe I wasn't provocative enough. Let me formulate your response for you:
"Yes, let's waste our time talking about cheating on taxes and wives while the neo-con Huns are raping the environment and sovereign governments for oil and resources. Don't worry about what earth scientists say, just continue consuming energy with impunity and little forethought of its consequences. After all, you're Americans, and your god gave you the right to subject the earth and every non-white creature under your dominion."
I just came up with that in ten seconds. It's easy, because modern American liberal philosophy isn't very deep; It's simply another religion, and once you understand the faith, the arguments form themselves.
Let's try it again:
"Tax cheats? Are we going to compare Tom Daschle to Dick Cheney? That's like comparing Lando to Darth Vader. One guy simply made a mistake, while the other is the incarnate of evil. So what you're saying is that killing 500,000 people for oil is just as bad as lying to the IRS? See, this is how people like Bush get elected. Redneck/brainwashed conservatives who don't actually READ the news see an American flag lapel and a cross around the neck and start rallying for God and country."
I could do this all day, but then we'd have a weird Daily KOS pastiche.
Here's something you won't predict about conservatism though: It's the antidote to fascism. While liberals are trying to politicize every aspect of our lives, conservatives generally fight for individualism. I dare you to read the history of Mussolini's fascism, and read how the American Progressives embraced it. Choose your own source, because the record is undisputed.
Exactly, I had to buy another copy of "Liberal Fascism" for myself because the one I had has been, and keeps being, passed around to all my friends to borrow and read. I don't mind having to get a 2nd copy at all either, because it's more money for him and the message gets around.
What he did with that book was simple and brilliant. He took everything we knew about modern American liberalism and aligned it into a unifying philosophy. All it takes is breaking down some misleading populist conventions.
Please Dave use the tape. I will be running my 2-stroke lawnmower, and will tie off the auto-shut-off bar. And i will be leaving my doors open with the ac on.
I heard on Dennis Miller that Geiko save 15% by switching to Chuck Norris.
Doesn't tolerance mean just putting up with?
I don't need to be embraced, but to barely be tolerated? That hurts me, deep down.
Why do people who have different views have to default to anger when they enter a discussion?
Oops, Sorry, another Thought Crime.
Preach on, Brother
Power to the people.
It is scary, and not really 'new'. Earth Magick, Earth Worship is olde (hehe, note the addition of the 'k' and 'e' that proves it's OLD?), this along with child sacrifice (abortion) and we've 'evolved' into a society that is more dangerous that the old one's most of these lefties accuse us of being (my generic 'us' meaning right minded, right thinking types). *shudder*
The altar's of Moloch and other 'gods' were nothing on what the abortion industry does now in the name of 'choice'.
I was being sarcastic with our anonymous friend.
But yeah, I couldn't agree more.
or twinkies…
tolerance used to mean "putting up with" but the left changed it to mean "accept and condone" I put up with a lot that i don't condone, like at work, I put up with getting insulted and verbally abused, but I don't condone or approve it.
I've noticed that too, you can have the funniest people on stage come off and do an interview and 9 out 10 times they're nothing more than shrill, bitter liberals who are not funny at all.
Irony they can never get, and sarcasm is very hit or miss too I've found. And most of them have no concept of laughing at themselves or their "causes" ever.
You know you've won an argument when your opponent pulls the "I am right…but don't have the itme/space to answer" card out.
C Wright Mills, (no right winger, BTW) was well-known for distilling complex theories in to one or two sentences. One mark of a pseudo-intellectual is the belief that long, complex windy discourse equals knowledge. I believe the opposite is true, and Jon is exhibit A. Someone who is "always right" should have no trouble proving it in 250 characters or less.
Marvin,
Whatever medication that you were prescribed, please take it. If you haven't been prescribed any, please seek some help. You will be much happier, I promise.
Normally, I am a compulsive light turner offer. But in honor of Earth Hour, we have turned on every light in the house. I look at it as a non-verbal exercise in freedom of speech. I'm doing it in protest of pseudo-science dominating our private lives.
Hear, hear!
Hammer Time!
Virgins are WAY overrated IMHO…
Jeff Dunham and Walter: Seventy Two virgins? I have to teach Seventy Two women how to have sex? Give me Seventy Two sl_tty broads who know what they're doing…
Islamofascists are SO clueless..
Works for me. I get Ronald Wilson Reagan. I like being bellicose, backward with my morality compared to yours, and I like that the environment must bend to my awesome will, as I serve venison and rainbow trout for dinner. I prefer being bankrupt with my intellect as I bow you down to my stupendous will.
Watch the meter spin!
Yay! More goodies for us!
Enjoy your soy latte and covet our leet technology and happiness as you sulk and emo.
How do you say "amen" in ancient Norse?
Exactly! Now you're getting it!
No more worship at the scrotum of lefty liberal "please may I live?" groveling.
No curds and whey from the monolithic government of least common denominator, for being exceptional is sin.
No more socialism is the gospel of envy.
WE have seen the light, and since we are paying for it, WE decide when, and how, and why it shines!
Go back to your sea of misery, Anemone, where everyone is just like you, angry, hysterical, and covetous of power over those that disagree with your envy. Enjoy your bitterness. Emo your heart out.
Man, watch that meter spin!
These things irritate me to no end. New ways to accomplish nothing.
Instead of focusing on developing the industry and technology that will solve our problems, they just want to turn the lights out and cower in fear of a coming storm that they think they can forestall simply by shutting themselves down.
I turned on all my lights in honor of science and progress. I'm really sick of these greentards and their desire to see us all move back to caves and mud huts. If America needs more energy, make more. We have green ways of doing that. But, nooooo. The greentards blocked nuclear power plants and they block wind farms, hydro dams and solar farms on various trumped up excuses.
Earth Hour was a scam and global warming is a joke. Down with ignorance! Hurray for science and progress!
Whats wrong with people using less energy?
Bahahaha, this on a blog yelling "nooo, paganist liberal scum i hate youuuuu!!!!1!!!" ILY guys x0×0x0x
Nothing at all.
If anyone still reading is interested in an actual debate on global warming there is a good debate on youtube. One guy has facts, data, and tests the computer models against observations. The other guy has hot air. Skip to about 5:30 to see how the models compare to current measured temperatures. The entire set is good if you can spare the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACo2OCSJnBI
Now, now boys. Cool your Norse jets. Anyway, I thought it was 72 Virginians??
I have absolutely NO idea what "amen" is in Norse. I picked the name because I'm a comic geek, and "Captain America" was a little, (actually, a LOT), too pretentious….as well as "the Mighty Thor"…
But since we're in the vein, I would think its a lot like Conan talking to Crom. "…if you don't like it, then to hell with you!"
Actually, that's a nice way to reply to trolls!
BTW, we had all the lights, two TV's, three computers, all the outdoor stuff not on motion sensors running in celebration of Creator Hour, Ronald Wilson Reagan Day, Terrorize the Earth moment, Lord it Over a Leftist/Socialist Bureaucrat Celebration, or whatever else some lib pinhead might come up with to try to insult me slogan. It wasn't Tim the Tool Man Taylor bright, but there is always next year….
But don't crap all over my day because I'm using more, either.
James,
I did the Creator hour, too. I thought I might be the only one, my neighborhood is full of older people, and is a gated comunity, so they tend to not "act out." Boy, I was wrong! We had the place lit up like a Christmas tree, and the funniest thing I've ever seen, my neighbor, who is 85, has this huge old caddy. He took it out, and was hauling booty through the neighborhood, screeching tires in the cul-de-sac. He kept making loop after loop, while yelling "wahoo!" out the window. Another neighbor has a car collection, and keeps 5 at his home. He went out and cranked them all, then got his chainsaw out, and kept revving it up. Excellent! Great fun.
More deception and red herrings…the C Wright Mills reference went over this person's head, so they went with ad hominem attacks and straw men. Not one bit of reasoning in this reply.
"Bending the environment to our will" has worked pretty well in the last few hundred years. Liberals may romanticize the days of thirty-five year life expectancies before electricity, the internal combustion engine, and medical miracles like x-rays and penicillin made our lives easier, longer, and more fulfilling, but I do not.
I don't think this is your reference, but Macross Zero had a part where the guy fixed this island's power generator and the priest lady was freaking out that it would drown out the stars in the sky. His response was something to the effect of "and now we have stars on the ground"
Using less energy is a symbol of The Man holding us down.
This is absurd. Clearly it was the Emperor that was evil incarnate, not Vader.
Nope. My reference was Giant Robo, specifically the parts where the Monster Sphere Vogler was busy destroying what was left of Paris.
(Hmm. Maybe President Obama can reward the Giant Robo boxed DVD set to President Sarkozy as a gift. Along with Armageddon, Mars Attacks! and other movies where Paris is hit by some attack or disaster.)
hah, forgot about Giant Robo. I loved how they replayed the destruction of Paris like 5 times at the beginning of each episode too. It was just so over the top it was awesome
Sorry Rock-
Will get back to the mock-o-rama of the various comrades and useful obots post haste- just wanted to take this one's pseudo-arguments apart.
Based on his non response, it was all a waste of time.
It was a beautiful event to see everyone participate in showing we care about energy. Use solar energy with products through DaylightGifts.com.
But don't you shove your religion down other people's throats? You keep talking about how it's ridiculous how the US doesn't have a "National religion" and other such shit.
And what if someone DOES have an earth based religion? Why are you being so incredibly disrespectful of them? "Because they attacked me first" is a crazy mentality, most real "hippies" are not terrible confrontational.
"So needless to say I won't be turning off all my lights and appliances; nor am I going to be turning everything on either. I'm going to go about my usual Saturday night of watching old movie reruns on AMC or TMC, ignoring the Earth Hour proponents."
You know, I know for absolute certain that you, Doug and the others would be in an almighty huff if someone showed this level of arrogance or disrespect towards religion, you do it all the time. Yet it's okay for you to do it?
"But happily science has debunked human-caused global warming already, even if the world political machine and fear-mongers have only yet begun with it."
No it hasn't. The majority of scientists back the idea of man made global warming. There is a small percentage that do not. In all likelihood, global warming exists and is man made, and there's just as strong a "political machine" on either side. Why should the rights' be so much weaker?
"pagans"
What's wrong with Pagans? Why should Christianity be protected from ridicule yet you get to tear into Pagans? A lot of pagans are very decent folk, who care for their children just like you do.
This mentality disgusts me. I dislike conservative politics just as much as you dislike liberal politics, but I don't take it out on "Christians" in general because plenty of Christians are great people.
"The majority of scientists back the idea of man made global warming. There is a small percentage that do not."
This is not true, it is the exact opposite of what is true. There are a few grant-whores who still believe they can deceive the "ignorant unwashed masses" about Global Warming, but the truth is out, and the facts do not support the conclusions. Sorry.
I had to read the original post again because it's so old.
What on earth are you talking about? This was an attempt to fight back in a small way against the relentless, 24/7 yammering about global warming that we hear these days. Man made global warming is treated as unquestionable fact, when it's simply not so.
We are sick of it.
Again, what are you yammering on about? No one is tearing down Pagans here. What we're sick of is this global warming quasi-religion that's being shoved down our throats at every turn! You don't see that?
Also "Non christian liberal culture" – that's not really something you can group together like that.
What's this then, exactly?
"The worship and love of materials is our nation’s religion. I’d say it was a new religion, but it’s actually the oldest religion in the world, Paganism. Judeo-Christian values came from a pagan world with a radical new concept: the Creator, not the creation, should not be worshiped."
Doug is ranting against Pagans and blaming them for what you percieve as global warming being shoved down your throat. He bitches and moans how people don't take his fundamentlist christian views seriously then levels attacks at paganism in general, as opposed to the lefties he hates so much who target fundamentalism rather than all christians.
WHY are you so sick of it? Most of the measures taken against global warming are things we should be doing anyway, and are common sense. You can't pump tons and tons of waste into the atmosphere and have it take no effect. At the very least, pollution is a bad thing, and wasting energy is a bad thing. The fact that people like you and Doug sneer at environmentalists saying how you're going to be purposeful wasteful shows your position is entirely reactionary – that's a stupid fucking thing to do, regardless of global warming.
Also, if you're so determined it's "Not fact", why don't you prove it with science? Why do you try to bump heads with scientists? Why not just become more active with science in general, because surely if you're right eventually that's the undisputed result that they will arrive at?
It's a minority of scientists that are claiming global warming doesn't exist. You're the one pushing a crazy conspiracy theory and some of us are getting sick of it. Nobody is outright intolerant of the idea that global warming is not man made. It's just that thus there's been far more evidence for than against. Obviously, you think otherwise, but you're not even considering the possibility your ridiculous conspiracy theory is false which is the root of the problem.
Yes, he is tearing down Pagans. He "yammers" on about Pagans in the blog entry here, "blaming" them for environmentalism. He wants his religious beliefs to be taken seriously but pisses over those of others.
Whether it's Pagans or whoever else promoting it, the idea that global warming is man-made is simply not true. Or at the very least, highly debatable. But no debate seems to be allowed. It's taken for granted that it's true, and we are constantly being preached at to change our lightbulbs, change our cars, buy "green" this or that. On and on it goes, every day. If you cannot see that, I'm not sure what I could do to convince you.
In other words, he is criticizing the movement itself. And that most certainly deserves to be criticized.
Thank you for proving the exact point of the original post: When it comes to the idea of man-made global warming, it's basically, 'YOU WILL BELIEVE THIS OR ELSE!' Your swearing, nasty tone and preaching is exactly what he was talking about in this post. There is not even room for discussion, only nastiness.
If he is criticising the movement, why does he constantly feel the need to bring up Pagans by name and blame them for the movement? This is no different from when people rant about something while blaming the jews for it in some insane manner.
"Simply not true", then you prove it. And you don't just pull up some random ass article that agrees with you. The majority of scientists, climate researchers who actually look at this problem, say it does. So "science" disagrees with you.
And yes, debate is allowed. There is constant debate. The problem is that most scientists do not feel comfortable debating people who are at the end of the day, anti-intellectual little shits. Just because YOU and YOUR view is not being taken seriously does not mean there is no debate. Nobody takes you seriously because you so frustratingly reactionary. And again this is very simply proven by your opposition to "green" issues being "Pushed" on you when it's something we should be doing anyway. Waste and pollution is bad, amazingly enough.
Religion is still heavily pushed on people, but you don't give a shit about that. Instead you just focus on where religion isn't, and wher environmentalism is and act like the world's collapsing.
Of course I'm being nasty. You're reactionary people and you're not going to react pleasantly no matter what way I put it to you. That doesn't mean I'm not right. It's far too easy to put a smiley face on a crock of shit, otherwise.
This isn't my opinion either. There's such a thing as the style over substance fallacy. I never said "You will believe this or else". This is an example of the delusion that causes me to be so "nasty" to you to begin with. Consistantly I said close to the opposite. In fact, I outright welcomed you to try and prove your opinion by getting involved with the scientific community.
If you could actually debate this like an adult instead of constantly trying to take argument that applies to you and stick it haphazardly on your opponent, I would treat you with respect. The fact is that you're flat out delusional and reading something into my posts that isn't there in your inane attempt to pigeon hole me. I don't think you have to believe in GLOBAL WARMING OR ELSE. I just wish you'd treat scientists, and the earth(given pollution is bad, regardless of global warming) with a little more respect.
Okay, what the hell, I remember making this post but it seems to have disappeared. Guess I clicked a wrong button.
This is what I mean when I say "arrogance". Saying "Sorry" and acting like it's a fact when you provide no evidence, is very arrogant.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-01/uo...
"They're the ones who study and publish on climate science. So I guess the take-home message is, the more you know about the field of climate science, the more you're likely to believe in global warming and humankind's contribution to it."
The fact is roughly 97% of Climate scientists, not idiots like you or me who rant at each other on some fundamentalist loonie's blog back the idea of human influence in global warming. These are people who actually make a living out of looking at this.
You specifically said this was not true, however it would be very hard to disprove these statistics. If you have some other serious gripes with global warming and it's human factor regardless of the vast majority then I suggest you bring it up with a climatologist, one of the 97% might be able to explain something to you. But you specifically said that there's only a "few grant-whores" backing the idea.
No big deal if you admit your mistake, but I don't see that coming. I've no idea now you're going to say Oh but they're GOVERNMENT FUNDED and there lies the bias. But, you still said a majority(and apparently government funding didn't matter then), and you were incorrect. If you could accept at least this we might get somewhere in this debate.
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, . . . and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking non-sense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. (Augustine 1982, 42-43)
I still don't get, Doug, why you think it's okay to tear into Pagans in general and make them out to be cissies and environmental terrorists, whereas when anyone criticises Christianity you go on the serious defensive.
I think you'll find that most people on "my" side of things with this, as in most progressives in general do not make these kind of remarks about Christianity in general – just fundamentalist Christianity. Nobody's saying you have to teach evolution or global warming in the church, so please stop trying to push religion into science, especially if you're going to insult other religions while doing so. This is not the same as tearing into Christians the same way you have done pagans and environmentalists.
At the end of the day the earth is something we know for sure exists and know for sure that pollution hurts in a way that comes back to hurt us. It potentially affects everyone of every faith or no faith, and at the end of the day while we can hurt the earth, it'll most likely survive and WE'LL be the ones to suffer. This "creator not the creation" crap has to stop. I doubt if your God did create the earth, he'd appreciate you pissing all over it in his name.
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