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	<title>Comments on: 10 Cinematic Clichés That Must Live!</title>
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		<title>By: Mr Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite cliche is the dumb criminal. This one is rooted in truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite cliche is the dumb criminal. This one is rooted in truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After &quot;Air Force One&quot; came out, I remarked to someone that the President (Harrison Ford) in the movie was probably a Republican because Democrats don&#039;t have a foreign policy.  After thinking more on it, if that President were a Democrat, he probably would&#039;ve tried to sit down for a nice chat rather than kill the terrorists and take back the plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After &#8220;Air Force One&#8221; came out, I remarked to someone that the President (Harrison Ford) in the movie was probably a Republican because Democrats don&#8217;t have a foreign policy.  After thinking more on it, if that President were a Democrat, he probably would&#8217;ve tried to sit down for a nice chat rather than kill the terrorists and take back the plane.</p>
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		<title>By: Carole H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit and Lola
Thank you for taking the time to point out to me what uplifting means. My point is that if a 4-year-old can see that the same plot point is being used to death, then it&#039;s a cliche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit and Lola<br />
Thank you for taking the time to point out to me what uplifting means. My point is that if a 4-year-old can see that the same plot point is being used to death, then it&#8217;s a cliche.</p>
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		<title>By: wr</title>
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		<dc:creator>wr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They went after Tyler Perry for his anti-union views, so they are trying to shut him down.&quot;

No. &quot;They&quot; -- that is the Writers Guild of America -- went after Tyler Perry for his anti-union (and anti-writer) PRACTICES. They weren&#039;t trying to &quot;shut him down&quot; but to pay residuals and a fair market value for the labor of his writers.

And when Perry signed a WGA contract, that was it. Perry can think and say whatever he wants, as long as he pays his employees fairly.

Why is that so hard to understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They went after Tyler Perry for his anti-union views, so they are trying to shut him down.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. &#8220;They&#8221; &#8212; that is the Writers Guild of America &#8212; went after Tyler Perry for his anti-union (and anti-writer) PRACTICES. They weren&#8217;t trying to &#8220;shut him down&#8221; but to pay residuals and a fair market value for the labor of his writers.</p>
<p>And when Perry signed a WGA contract, that was it. Perry can think and say whatever he wants, as long as he pays his employees fairly.</p>
<p>Why is that so hard to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am informed that there are more straight pedophiles than gay pedophiles. So that must be true. Priests must have been straight pedophiles abusing young boys for sex? 

Wait a dang minute...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am informed that there are more straight pedophiles than gay pedophiles. So that must be true. Priests must have been straight pedophiles abusing young boys for sex? </p>
<p>Wait a dang minute&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hucbald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hucbald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Random Heats with Harrison Ford and Kristin Scott Thomas, she is pretty fairly and sympathetically portrayed as a conservative Republican.  I only remember it because of how flabbergasted I was at the time.  In one hysterical scene when they&#039;re obviously about to make love, she tells him if he&#039;s a liberal she has some books he should read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Random Heats with Harrison Ford and Kristin Scott Thomas, she is pretty fairly and sympathetically portrayed as a conservative Republican.  I only remember it because of how flabbergasted I was at the time.  In one hysterical scene when they&#8217;re obviously about to make love, she tells him if he&#8217;s a liberal she has some books he should read.</p>
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		<title>By: Synova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin, Rambo is a symbolic representation of the stereotype, not the definition.  And I can&#039;t think of anyone who wants to glorify Viet Nam.

And maybe you&#039;re right that the crazed vet isn&#039;t a Hollywood stereotype but it certainly is a liberal one.  I don&#039;t just imagine the breathlessness that greets any news that supports that stereotype of the broken, drug addled, messed up killer.  I saw it with Scott, &quot;Oh, he really tells it like it is!&quot;, Beauchamp, or this latest guy, Joshua Keys, I think his name is.  Anything that shows soldiers as disciplined or well adjusted is judged a white-wash because it doesn&#039;t play like Hollywood Viet Nam, which is *highly* romanticized, just not in a good way.  People are actually *disappointed* if our guys aren&#039;t cold blooded murderers or junkies or rapists.  They want this fantasy of barbarism to experience vicariously and they don&#039;t like that fantasy world threatened.

PTSD is serious, of course, but in general terms the most common manifestations are ignored by television, the watchfulness or the flinch, getting nervous in public places with too many people, nightmares, those sorts of things.  And what we see on television is the fellow walking down the street entirely unable to tell where he is, babbling on about combat stuff in some sort of never-ending flashback.

It doesn&#039;t have to be a white-wash.  But it would be nice to have more representations of veterans who strengthened by the experience, which is every bit as true, if not more-so.  More representations of very young men who have that maturity of experience and responsibility that their civilian peers lack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin, Rambo is a symbolic representation of the stereotype, not the definition.  And I can&#8217;t think of anyone who wants to glorify Viet Nam.</p>
<p>And maybe you&#8217;re right that the crazed vet isn&#8217;t a Hollywood stereotype but it certainly is a liberal one.  I don&#8217;t just imagine the breathlessness that greets any news that supports that stereotype of the broken, drug addled, messed up killer.  I saw it with Scott, &#8220;Oh, he really tells it like it is!&#8221;, Beauchamp, or this latest guy, Joshua Keys, I think his name is.  Anything that shows soldiers as disciplined or well adjusted is judged a white-wash because it doesn&#8217;t play like Hollywood Viet Nam, which is *highly* romanticized, just not in a good way.  People are actually *disappointed* if our guys aren&#8217;t cold blooded murderers or junkies or rapists.  They want this fantasy of barbarism to experience vicariously and they don&#8217;t like that fantasy world threatened.</p>
<p>PTSD is serious, of course, but in general terms the most common manifestations are ignored by television, the watchfulness or the flinch, getting nervous in public places with too many people, nightmares, those sorts of things.  And what we see on television is the fellow walking down the street entirely unable to tell where he is, babbling on about combat stuff in some sort of never-ending flashback.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t have to be a white-wash.  But it would be nice to have more representations of veterans who strengthened by the experience, which is every bit as true, if not more-so.  More representations of very young men who have that maturity of experience and responsibility that their civilian peers lack.</p>
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		<title>By: marvin arlington</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvin arlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rambo was a big hit movie, but I don&#039;t see how the crazed Viet Nam vet is a Hollywood stereotype.  Perhaps Mr. Surber doesn&#039;t want to admit that there are real Viet Nam vets living on the street and in shelters.

And it isn&#039;t fair to say that Hollywood created Rambo.  It was really the work of Sly Stalone, a star big enough to get the backing to do whatever he wants, just like Eastwood.

Critically, Rambo seems to be the doppelganger to Rocky, the darker side of the same personality.  Both men are trained to fight, but unlike Rocky, Rambo doesn&#039;t have an arena in which to fight his battles.  He is without a legitimate war.  

Rocky is a romantic hero and Rambo is a tragic hero, a tragedy in the after math of Viet Nam.  Perhaps that is what right wing ideologues don&#039;t like about Rambo.  The movie does not glorify the Viet Nam experience.  But Rambo the soldier is noble and that is why audiences connected.  He is a classic underdog and Americans love underdogs.

Flashing for the warrior
Whose strength is not to fight
Flashing for the refugee
On his unarmed road of flight
And for each and every underdog
Soldier in the night
We gazed upon the chimes
Of freedom flashing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rambo was a big hit movie, but I don&#8217;t see how the crazed Viet Nam vet is a Hollywood stereotype.  Perhaps Mr. Surber doesn&#8217;t want to admit that there are real Viet Nam vets living on the street and in shelters.</p>
<p>And it isn&#8217;t fair to say that Hollywood created Rambo.  It was really the work of Sly Stalone, a star big enough to get the backing to do whatever he wants, just like Eastwood.</p>
<p>Critically, Rambo seems to be the doppelganger to Rocky, the darker side of the same personality.  Both men are trained to fight, but unlike Rocky, Rambo doesn&#8217;t have an arena in which to fight his battles.  He is without a legitimate war.  </p>
<p>Rocky is a romantic hero and Rambo is a tragic hero, a tragedy in the after math of Viet Nam.  Perhaps that is what right wing ideologues don&#8217;t like about Rambo.  The movie does not glorify the Viet Nam experience.  But Rambo the soldier is noble and that is why audiences connected.  He is a classic underdog and Americans love underdogs.</p>
<p>Flashing for the warrior<br />
Whose strength is not to fight<br />
Flashing for the refugee<br />
On his unarmed road of flight<br />
And for each and every underdog<br />
Soldier in the night<br />
We gazed upon the chimes<br />
Of freedom flashing</p>
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		<title>By: Synova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... is a Dead Dad actually good story-telling, or is it, like the always popular Child At Risk, an easy out, a cheap way to get an emotional response?

Perhaps the truth is that children with two parents never have problems and can&#039;t have adventures?

I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; is a Dead Dad actually good story-telling, or is it, like the always popular Child At Risk, an easy out, a cheap way to get an emotional response?</p>
<p>Perhaps the truth is that children with two parents never have problems and can&#8217;t have adventures?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: can't post on  here</title>
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		<dc:creator>can't post on  here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Suber, I agree with your article and the liberal have controlled the content of what we all see.  I made a film over 20 years ago a Vietnam film, there is no crazed Vietnam vet,I don&#039;t have the magic negro, the white trash or evil christian.  My film was blackballed by Hollywood because I went against this type and showed a mix group of guys called &#039;Americans&#039; as heroes. I don&#039;t even show the Russians as Hollywood does.   The late Ashley Boone of MGM the only black President of distribution of any major studio, told me he was impress with my film because I didn&#039;t have any stereotypes and he like the way I portrayed the two black characters in war.  &#039;Just a couple of regular guys&#039;  I don&#039;t bring any 60s bullshit into my film its just an old fashion war film that honors all of our Vietnam Vets.  check it out , I have been fighting this nonsense since the early 80s when most people on here making films today were in high school if not even born yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Suber, I agree with your article and the liberal have controlled the content of what we all see.  I made a film over 20 years ago a Vietnam film, there is no crazed Vietnam vet,I don&#8217;t have the magic negro, the white trash or evil christian.  My film was blackballed by Hollywood because I went against this type and showed a mix group of guys called &#8216;Americans&#8217; as heroes. I don&#8217;t even show the Russians as Hollywood does.   The late Ashley Boone of MGM the only black President of distribution of any major studio, told me he was impress with my film because I didn&#8217;t have any stereotypes and he like the way I portrayed the two black characters in war.  &#8216;Just a couple of regular guys&#8217;  I don&#8217;t bring any 60s bullshit into my film its just an old fashion war film that honors all of our Vietnam Vets.  check it out , I have been fighting this nonsense since the early 80s when most people on here making films today were in high school if not even born yet.</p>
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