It’s Official: Spidey in the Tank for Obama (& Ashford & Simpson, Too)
by Debbie SchlusselOnce, comic books were against Nazis and Hitler and were very up front in supporting America’s fight against them. But those days are over. Both DC and Marvel Comics long ago embraced left-wing politics, and when it came to the war on terror, they were for the most part silent. Fighting “global warming” and on behalf of other mythical left-wing creations was far more important (as was transforming Wonder Woman into an ugly, steroidal man).
Now, though, comic books are back to supporting the President, since he embodies their far-left ideology. Yup, Spider-Man is in the tank for Obama and lets us know, telling us he’s left Washington “in capable hands.” In a special issue, “Amazing Spider-Man #583,” out on Jan. 14th, the President-Elect Obama and Spidey are shown doing the fist-bump (wanna know what I think about the fist-bump?). In the plot, the Chameleon tries to kill Barack Obama before he gets inaugurated–feeding into the BS narrative that Obama is a martyr-in-waiting more so than any other President. But Spidey saves the day. Look at the Spiderman-Obama photo gallery (and get out the barf bag).
I’m just wondering: When Obama goes to share some baklava with his new friend Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or his buds in HAMAS, will we see Spidey cheering that on, too, and, again, tell America’s comic book readers we’re in “capable hands”?
Boy, I long for the days of Superman, Sgt. Fury, and other comic book superheroes fighting the Nazis . . . not sitting down to talk and eat wienerschnitzel with them or praising Presidents who want to do just that.
Look at this Sgt. Fury comic book from the Debbie Schlussel comic book collection. Like Spiderman, Sgt. Fury was also from Marvel Comics. Note that Sgt. Fury’s mission wasn’t to have a “dialogue” with Hitler. So sad that these days, the superheroes’ objective is girlie-man foreign policy.
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In other pop culture for Obama news, ’80s has-beens Ashford & Simpson (’memba them?) are re-releasing their annoying “Solid (as a Rock)” song as “Solid (as Barack).” No, not making this up. Hmmm . . . I thought the ’80s were the “bad Reagan years of excess.” I guess this is the Ashford & Simpson repentance for doing so well in those Reagan years, as opposed to the Barack years, in which they won’t be doing quite so well.
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I never read comic books. I’m glad now I didn’t. But this is still embarrassing.
Interesting . . . but “the President-Elect and Obama are shown doing the fist-bump?” Really? I thought they were the same person. . . .
Gah…I really wish that Marvel stayed out of politics. The whole “Let’s get Colbert as President” plot was dumb. This is even worse.
it’s been a while since i’ve read anything from marvel. how did the captain america as 9/11 truther plot line turn out?
RE: “martyr-in-waiting”
That drives me nuts also.
Every president has to deal with this reality. The Secret Service are well-versed in prevention.
Glancing at your gallery link, it’s nice to see they’ve finally discovered Barack Obama’s middle name!
Does everything have to be polluted with Obama. This is like the German culture being polluted with Nazism as a popular movement. This makes me want to puke.
A poster I was sure I’d see within a month of 9/11 was of an angry Captain America standing astride the Twin Towers. Musta missed it.
Indoctrinate ‘em young, I suppose …
Can’t we wait until Obama actually does something in office before saluting him as the next Lincoln? Too much to ask?
Joe Quesada is a cancer on Comics. He made the obviously “Bad” guys in the Civil war comics represent the US government in the War on Terror. (complete with their own Gitmo)He had this civil war be plotted by a hero who was part of a secret cabal that tried to control all the superheros. He butchered brutally the characters of Mr. Fantastic and Spider-man (at the very minimum) in the process.
Speaking of his ruining spider-man… he had spider-man make a deal with the devil to save is 80-1000 year old aunt from dying
this is more of Joe Quesada ruining Spiderman
He ruined Cap and he Ruined Spider-man
i’ve asked around, no one seems to have an answer, whatever happened to the frank miller batman versus al queda book? a couple years ago i heard that it was inked and ready to go. then nothing.
Wow. Debbie Schlussel collects Sgt Fury? Hey Deb, er…who’s your favorite Howling Commando?
Yeah, Joe Quesada’s kinda, how do I put this delicately, The WORST Thing to Happen to Comics since Seduction of The Innocent.
Oh my! I had that Sgt. Fury book when I was a kid. I loved the Howling Commandoes – my favorite was Rebel Ralston since he was from the south.
Nick Fury and his men didn’t angst about anything – they just kicked butt and took names.
Creators long before Quesada have ruined Spider-Man, not that I’m making excuses because he truly is awful. But to Larry Bernard’s point about “bad guys” in the Civil War, that’s more Mark Millar (I believe he’s Scottish just so you know where he’s coming from). If you read Civil War and Ultimates 2 you’ll notice the whole “American government is run by jerks but they’re going to get away with it anyway because that’s what oppressors do” idea is obvious. True, it does have to go through Quesada so I guess your at least partially right.
I enjoy Marvel Comics but the political backdrop/atmosphere is getting old.
Just when you thought that Spider-Man couldn’t be ruined even further, old-time Spidey foe The Spot is returning – as an unstoppable killer-for-hire. I loved The Spot because he was goofy & fun, but “fun” has no place in Marvel anymore.
At least Guy Gardner won’t be “fist-bumpin” Obama anytime soon.
Between this & The Watchmen post, Big Hollywood should have a “comics” tag. Granted, it isn’t movies, but comic books are a part of the larger pop culture war that we’re fighting here.
Civil War and the Iniative were “game changers” and redireted Marvel comics. So Joey Q and Millar were both on the same page (also see the inclusion of the plotlines of World War Hulk, the Illuminati, and the Skrull war)
and Quesada is ruining spider man as a publisher not as an author. He decided MJ and Pete were going to break up and decided Divorce is wrong (because Spider-man needs to be a role model) so he decides a deal with the devil is better
I am a comic nerd. If I was elected President I would be pissed off at this use of me in the comics
Yeah we need a Comic Books Tag
Gunnar,
Here’s the link explaining Frank Miller’s Holy Terror, Batman!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Terror,_Batman!
Apparently, it’s morphed into something different. Miller said he’s going to make a new series out of it, and it’s not going to contain Batman at all…
Regardless, it should be worth a read since Miller has become a pretty staunch Conservative. It’s possible it may be a modern day “300″ – which would be great.
In Marvel Comics, the greatest hero of all — the one the others all look up to — is Captain America — a member of the greatest generation whose uniform is based on the American flag. He tries to avoid violence, and the only instrument he carries is a shield — a defensive tool. But when needed (every issue) he uses incredible violence, turns his defensive tool into a weapon, and takes down his opponents. America, as represented by this boyscout in the costume, is the good guy. He is a conservative character. He is amongst the oldest and most iconic of superhero characters often aimed at children.
The Hulk is a sleeping giant, who spends his days as Bruce Banner, a mild-mannered scientist just trying to live his life. But when the forces of evil push him, make him angry, he becomes a giant force of strength who uses violence to defeat his enemies. He is also a great conservative character.
The list goes on…
Iron Man works often with SHIELD, an international anti-terrorist group led by Nick Fury (leader of the Nazi-fighting Howling Commandos.) Iron Man’s secret identity, Tony Stark, provides SHIELD with weapon designs to help their often patriotic cause.
The Fantastic Four’s Ben Grimm and Reed Richards are veterans of WW2. The rocket the four members flew in, in which they gained their powers, was built by Reed Richards in attempt to beat the Soviets in the 1960s space race.
Spidey, another character who uses great violence to do good in the world and help the oppressed, likes the president-elect? Spidey has always been an outsider, and now we have our first minority President since Kennedy (African-Americans and Catholics both having been outsiders in mainstream American society at different points) and Spidey likes him. Why is that a bad thing? He is still being pro-government, and supporting his country, a position conservatives usually love.
And yes, in recent years some of the characters mentioned have gone through storylines which change the characters a bit — but all comic fans know that eventually they will go back to the status quo (Steve Rogers, the ultimate American boyscout will return as Captain America, etc.) Plus, Marvel continues to make a line of all-ages books aimed at children that have the more traditional versions of the characters. These are the versions in cartoons as well, and reach a much broader audience. And these versions are all conservative characters and reinforce a conservative viewpoint (USA is good, those they oppose bad. Violence is often necessary to spread the force of good and stop evil.)
Grant Morrison is one of the people ruining COmic Books
but Frank… Frank has been writing some stuff which is insane
Willy:
With all due respect I disagree with you here. Within the Context of things like the Iniative and Civil war this is Quesada promoting a political agenda through marvel comics. This isn’t as bad as the Nixon/Secret Empire storyline in the 70s in the implementation of politics.
If I was going to do a shout out I would have Peter being down about Spider-Man as he is often want to do. Watching President-Elect Obama on TV defending Spider-Man and saying he is his favorite super-hero.
Thats a much more appropriate use of the President in Comic Books. Its also a good use of the President elect in a story vs (For some reason the Chameleon is going to assasinate Obama)
Are you dense? Are you retarded?
I stopped collecting & reading comics back when Image decided to pioneer the X-Files concept of the US government being the real debbil in the world. It’s lazy, boring, and inaccurate. I’m just astonished that they’re able to pull a profit when pandering to one side of the political spectrum…
Great, “Solid (as Barack).” As I dread lefty-loon Chrissie Hynde doing a “Barack on the Chain Gang” for the Kool-aid Kiddies, there’s the need for the barf bag.
As a germaphobe I would much rather bump fists than the traditional exchange of mucus that comes from a handshake.
(I am posting comments too quickly? This was my first one).
This isn’t really surprising. Spider-Man has shilled for Planned Parenthood, among others, in the past.
I’m getting the “posting comments too quickly” message as well. Odd…
I think we all should lighten up here. Nothing was worse than the Nomad storyline in the mid-1970’s where it turned out that Captain America’s arch-enemy was Richard Nixon.
I didn’t vote for Obama, but I’m glad to know I have a fellow geek in the White House. We need to see more images of superheroes defending the White House vs. being attacked by government cabals.
To be fair to Joe Quesada, this has been a problem with Marvel, and with the comic book industry in general, long before Quesada entered the picture. The shift to the left began during the hugely unpopular Vietnam War and accelerated when first- and second-generation comic book creators were replaced in the 1970s by the largely anti-war/anti-establishment Baby Boomer generation.
Marvel set the stage for this radical shift when it pioneered the “anti-hero” trend in comics during the 1960s (Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Hulk, etc.) — a period of general social discontent that was ripe the introduction of “flawed” superheroes. From 1960 to 1970, Marvel went from an insignificant comic book company just barely hanging on to its existence, to the company with the largest market share – in the process, storming past the then much more conservative industry leader, DC Comics (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc.). DC is still playing catch-up nearly 40 years!
At first, the anti-hero was still heroic. By the late 1970s, however, every company had switched to the anti-hero formula, so in an effort to be “more realistic” and reach the next level of fan titillation, anti-heroes started to morph into uglier and uglier characters. Former superheroes with high ideals were transformed into psychopathic killers, or developed a wide variety of “realistic” social ills. This was the start of the Dark Age of comics, full of gloom and doom, and later, an “anything goes” mindset. The more naïve and unrealistic readers (such as me), began pining for “the good old days” when heroes where noble, proud, strong-willed and, most of all, had some positive trait worth emulating.
In one particular instance in 1996 I was so incensed by a planned Captain America storyline unveiled at a Chicago comic book convention panel that I angrily wrote a letter of complaint to the president of Marvel Comics. The plot involved a military coup of the United States, orchestrated by Nazi super-scientist, the Red Skull, and the creators essentially planned to depict American servicemembers as mindless, interchangeable units who would do the Red Skull’s bidding without question. Since I was in the military at the time, and I was certainly nobody’s minion, it frankly pissed me off. In the president’s letter back to me, he lamely argued that the creators were just exploring new creative ground, and if it failed, no harm, no foul. The Captain America franchise would move in some different direction. But the truth was, by that time, Captain America was just a simpering, emasculated, hang-wringing shell of his former self, and I almost did not care anymore.
What the folks at Marvel did not realize (or care about), that storyline, and the storyline of every popular culture vehicle, has an impact on a certain percentage of people. And the fact is, if something is primarily portrayed primarily incorrectly or in a negative light often enough and for a long enough period of time, people will begin to believe the stereotype — even if it is false.
Popular culture can, and does, mold opinions of people and institutions over time. The smarter writers, artists and producers are well aware of this and use their bully pulpit to champion changes that match their own political or social worldview.
I read a vintage Spiderman comic to my 5 year old son everynight at bedtime and there’s no way I’d read this CRAP to him!Man, as much as loveable Spidey/Peter Parker screws up,Obama would throw him under the bus faster than his pastor!Besides,I already promised my son I would not let “The Chosen One” take all his toys!This trash would mess with his head .He still doesn’t understand that Annekin Skywalker turns into Darth Vader!So this would not compute!And comic book publishers wonder why sales are down!Idiots!
So, comics are now unopatriotic because the heroes save The President of the United States?
there is nothing wrong with an “american government as the secret root of all evil” plot, except that it has become a cliche. how many hundreds of movies have relied on this surprise/twist since dr. strangelove? the writers need to stop thinking of themselves as clever or original.
thanks for the tip on the holy terror batman. good to know it’s moving forward in some form.
Peter Parker is a twenty something, photojournalist, born and raised New Yorker; if he didn’t vote for Obama, then who did? Our goal should be to break the liberal monopoly in entertainment, not to demand that all of our favourite characters think the same way that we do. Spider-man being an Obama supporter is perfectly in character and is perfectly acceptable. Treating liberal characters as tainted, wrongheaded, or subtly sinister isn’t any better than when the same is done to conservative characters like Hawkman, Hal Jordan, or Guy Gardner.
I have always thought that Spiderman was a lame superhero…there are only two REAL superheroes-Batman and Superman…and Batman wanted to go after OBL!
“Peter Pan’s for children, Lois.”
Ever since Alan Moore (lib/socialist, I know) stopped writing comics, they’ve not been worth reading. At least, he had the craft down. The remainders are simple knee-jerkers, or should I say, knee-tinglers for the One.
Solid (as Barack) was done on SNL as a PARODY. WTF?
Unbelievable that an apparently talented writer would waste her time (and ours) writing this ridiculous piece. Anne Coutler called… she wants her schpiel back.
“Solid as Barack?” Barf. That song sucked when I was a teenager. “Barack on the Chain Gang?” Surely that won’t happen, that sounds too racial, I’m guessing. Plus, it’s just scary. Old leftie musicians never seem to die, they just keep playing that same dreck on and on. I saw where the official Obama poster went on sale and was supposedly sold out within hours. $100.00, what’s that? A reccession? The signed numbered ones are available for the low, low price of $500.00. And if you missed any of those, QVC and HomeShopping will be on site at the Inauguration selling Obama collectables! What is left to put his picture on? Toliet paper? The next thing you’ll be telling me is that he’s in a comic book! Oh wait……
If I had a dollar for every hour Schlubbel spent on Photoshopping that photo of hers, I’d buy a movie studio and greenlight all your projects.
I sure don’t remember Iron Man or Batman or Superman visiting George W. Bush when he was elected and telling everyone that the country was in good hands.
DI BUTLER,
“What is left to put his picture on? Toilet paper?”
Actually, that has also been done:
http://www.jeremyinc.com/BarackObamaToiletPaper.html
I’m afraid you are too much of a moron to even begin understanding how far from being a “leftist” Obama really is.
certain Marvel comics of the sixties did espouse a decently radical worldview–and Grant Morrison’s extraordinary Animal Man series of the late 1980s are the places you might want to look for the REAL thing… frankly, I wish Obama would read them too–he could learn a lot
Dave
This disgusts me. Im so tired of liberalism.
Treating liberal characters as tainted, wrongheaded, or subtly sinister isn’t any better than when the same is done to conservative characters like Hawkman, Hal Jordan, or Guy Gardner.
Except for the fact that liberals are tainted, wrongheaded and/or subtly sinister.
Wow…Debbie must have lots of time on her hands and very little upstairs to rattle on about comic-book conspiracies. And conservatives still demand to be taken seriously why?
Wow…Debbie must have lots of time on her hands and very little upstairs to rattle on about comic-book conspiracies.
Why is that, J? :p
And conservatives still demand to be taken seriously why?
All the cool kids are doing it.
I’m confused. Would y’all be happier with a book in which Spidey patriotically allows the assassination plot to go through?
Howling Commandos – what a welcome blast from the past
Thanks for the break from the LIBERAL VITRIOL AND HATE, at least till joel and jrcomet add their LIBERAL VITRIOL AND HATE, and I thought that their prez elect wanted that to change – guess not as sanfran girlyman obviously supports it.
Does everything have to be polluted with Obama.
Well, he’s your new president. If you don’t like it, you can move back to Saudi Arabia.
Well, this is just part of the edifying of Obama that is taking place and will take place over the next few years. It is permeating everything, comics, news, movies, tv, etc. Odd how people think that Bush took away our liberties; well you ain’t seen nothing yet! Try to say something bad about the messiah and wham, you will not know what hit you.
I have thousands of old copies of comics that I let my kids and will let my grandkid’s read. Good old fashioned fun. But I will NOT purchase the crap that they print today. Sex, politics and anti-heroes rule comics today.
Islanddreamer:
Oh I will give Joey Q credit. He wasn’t Nixon as a supervillian stupid. But this was still assinine
R Maheras:
Yeah but Joey Q has in his tenture at Marvel made the idiocy faster, louder, and harder
Shuali:
The point is the President shouldn’t be used as a prop to sell another Barrack Obama Collectors plate. The same thing in this comic book format. Also this was a really terrible use of Obama. I could come up with a much better use for Obama in a spidey story
Ick, and here I thought that nothing could make me more nauseous than yet another member of the mainstream media using the word “swooning” to describe something related to the Obama takeover, now I have this to deal with.
A wonderful rememberance of my childhood completely trashed. Thanks Marvel, great call there. Hope all of the idiots involved in this project got their “Obama commemorative plates” ordered early before they run out. Amazing where doing so much to “commemorate” a guy who hasn’t done a darn thing yet, only made a bunch of fluffly speeches chock full of promises that everyone knows he can’t keep. Yikes.
Thanks for the t.p. link. Now I am complete. The funny part is the fact people don’t get why this deification of a President is a bad idea! Boy, will there be some mighty disillusioned folks out there. Should be interesting/frightening to watch the future.
Marvel is not only ruining Spider-Man with its politics – as an avid comic book reader, I can tell you that they are slipping in politics in “Captain America” and others as well, about how “government is evil” and “how awful America is to other countries.” Yep, it’s all happening to our kids, folks!
Debbie’s writings clearly establish her warped view of popular culture… she sees everything through a filter of some non-existent perfect, idealized past in which everything in America was pure and good and men were men and women were women and the sun always shined and it never rained on anyone’s picnics (unless they were Commies or Arabs). It’s a view of the world as it Never Was. Debbie only loves the media and popular culture when it reinforces her bizarre, jingoistic rhetoric.
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Comics have gone the way of Hollywood. They took a nose dive in the 90’s and never came back. The bottom line is how many times did any Marvel characters do anything positive or help Bush? It’s funny reading some of the responses about how Obama is our President and you don’t like move out. Well for eight years we got from liberals how Bush wasn’t their president and them saying the most vile things about him. Of course now that liberals got their way now the President is again be respected and don’t dare criticize him
Clark
You mean like liberals throwing a temper tantrum for the last eight years until they got their way?
Clark
You mean like liberals throwing a temper tantrum for the past eight years until they got their way?
The symbolism of the death of Captain America wasn’t lost on me. The liberal agenda has been perverting comics for years.
Comics today are not the comics I read as a child. And that’s a sad thing.
Spiderman should be banned as unpatriotic. Anyone who shills for a Commie like that is just as bad as the Iranian that burns the American flag at Hippie rallies.
As a fan of comics I can say I never liked Spidey to begin with, so this doesn’t suprise or bother me more then Its kind of corny.
You know, give me Hal Jordan, or Captain Atom (before he went nuts and bacame Monarch), Batman in his never ending quest for Justice, or Captain Marvel (the DC/Fawcett Marvel, not the Marvel Marvel) in his battle against evil. Heck, DC even has Uncle Sam, who personifies American Exceptionalism.
It is telling, though, that back during WWII you had Superman printing posters that say “Buy War Bonds and you too can Slap a Jap” and now I don’t see anything even similar in the support of America. However, I don’t read every comic published so I might be missing it. Thank you Debbie, your well worded piece on everyone’s favorite liberal hero fist bumping everone’s favorite socialist President has inspired me to do some research on Conservatism in Comics.
That can’t be Obama in that comic outtake.
Where are the ears?
Jonah West, look up Iron Man to start out, the great Cold Warrior super-hero, and tireless fighter against Communism.
As for Joe Quesada, the man is a disgrace to comics, and a disaster to everything he touches. Unfortunately Marvel’s profits from its films has kept him in power, but he will overstretch himself eventually, but not before ruining every Marvel hero. This is man who decided to end Peter Parker’s marriage to Mary-Jane with the truly horrible and incompetently written One More Day/Brand New Day storyline, with Spidey literally making a deal with Satan (Mephisto, acutally, but come on, everyone knows who he really is).
The Spidey fist-bump with the Little Messiah is just the latest atrocity Quesada has fostered on us, but it will not be the last.
On another point, if Peter Parker really was a liberal, why would he drop off bank robbers and muggers to the police? As a liberal New Yorker, should he not lecture their victims about how their pepetuation of liberal capitalism has created socio-economic circumstances that justiy violent crime against capitalist oppressors, and then turn their money over to said muggers and bank robbers? Just a thought.
Gee, Makes one want to root for Chameleon the fictional comic book character that is.
The Spidey-Obama thing is not real. It is fiction. They are trying to sell comics. That is why he is on the cover.
So much for my love of Marvel. Good job Spider-Man, you officially suck. Are there no entertainment outlets left untainted by this horrible man?
If the economy doesn’t get TOO ugly in the next few years, I’ve got some novels I’m writing with strong conservative characters in them. It sold well for the Dark Knight, I’m confident mine will do the same if they get published. But no more of the squeamish gutless fist-bumping crap.
DAMN YOU, OBAMA! Must you taint everything that I love?
When Obama goes to share some baklava with his new friend Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or his buds in HAMAS
Hmm. Debbie isn’t even trying to be taken seriously by anyone outside her bubble of hate, I see.
You know …. all I can say is wow! So Marvel makes a comic book with Spiderman and Obama and you know what …. people will buy it. I of course applaud their move in their pursuit of the almighty dollar. You want more conservative comics, think they are polluted by liberalism, want Captain America to beat up the bad guys? Then buy comics and stop whining about it on a neo-con blog, use the power of the market.
Russ, I generally stopped reading comics (except Hellboy) in the late 1990s, although it was not due to politics, but rather the bloody nihilism that had infested my favorites, Batman and Spiderman (my other fav, Iron Man, not so much).
Regardless, in order to solve the problem of left-wing ideology in comics, you claim conservatives should buy all of them without question? An odd solution, to say the least.
comic books have always reflected what is going on in the culture that creates them. if i remember correctly, there were a few bush appearances in comic books shortly after he was elected. but who cares? just because conservatives are unahppy with the turnout of the election doesn’t mean comics should reflect the world they WISH they lived in.
also, baklava is greek.
also, as alex koppelman as astutely pointed out on salon.com today:
“Marvel has done pro-war comics. In fact, back in 2004 they hired a guy named Karl Zinsmeister to write a whole series about the war in Iraq. You may recognize Zinsmeister’s name, actually — he went on to become President Bush’s chief domestic policy advisor.”
“Once, comic books were against Nazis and Hitler and were very up front in supporting America’s fight against them. But those days are over. Both DC and Marvel Comics long ago embraced left-wing politics…”
So the left wing was against fighting the Nazis?
Actually, the main faction working vocally against entering WWII was a right wing group called “America First”.
Ah, wingnuts, is there anything you can’t just make up?
Stopped reading Spiderman years ago when the same storylines from my childhood began re-circulating because the creative team was too weak to fashion anthing original…and the “new” version were a ghostly pale in comparison. Quesada hasn’t done much for the direction of MC except smear his preferred taint company wide instead of a select title alone.
I observed years ago a common trend in comic book readers as they age and their tastes broaden. Most start with the Marvel bullpen where the stories are simpler, the muscles are larger and the boobs are larger still. Eventually the readers tire of the constant sacharin of the reads and graduate to the DC line-up. The muscles and boobs are nearly the same proprtion, but the history and depth of the characters are much richer (many spanning 5 decades..my 67yr old mom was reading the original Green lantern- the one with the cape). Eventually they stop reading comics altogether or like myself, find a few titles that still pull the heartstrings and continue the journey of pulp fantasy.
Thruout all of that journey however, comics have only intermittently hit on specific instances of pop culture as those moment break the fascade of the “timeless timeline” that is a part of the comic’s story. This is one of those moments, and I accept it for that, but the observation that these same heroes didn’t visit GW is exactly on the mark. The creators of comics hold the reins to a vastly powerful media source for the minds of the young. If the want to shill their liberal views, then they should have the opposing views appropriately reflected as well…otherwise, stay out of that sandbox.
Until Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, yes. Once the Spanish Civil War was over, the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact was signed & both Russia & Germany were seen to be heroically defending the world against “Imperialism.” It was a noted wingnut named Winston Churchill who was sounding the alarm against the Nazis, while Oxford lefties famously marched about carrying banners proclaiming that they would not fight for King or Country.
This post is a joke, right? You can’t be serious. And if you are, you’ve got to be delusional.
Boy, the next 8 years are going to really tough on you guys. I’ll check back in sometime around 2011…
@Full Metal Deer Platoon you are also taking your history out of context. You should read up on World War 1, then you can start making generalizations about World War 2; there was a reason everyone in Europe was against a way and they were constantly appeasing the Nazis. I am not saying they were right mind you but they had reasons.
But again everyone is missing the point and then pissing & moaning about it. The “liberal/leftist/pinko” comic book industry is selling comic books to a “liberal/leftist/pinko” market; capitalism and the all mighty dollar at work. It sounds to me like there are a bunch of whiners here who can’t stand the free market.
Oh and @Larry, media companies have no responsibility/obligation to present the other side; what kind of crack are you smoking? The only obligation a company has is to lawfully chase after profit.
Well for eight years we got from liberals how Bush wasn’t their president and them saying the most vile things about him. Of course now that liberals got their way now the President is again be respected and don’t dare criticize him
Hey, if you can’t take it, then don’t dish it out.
Now I will have something to put on my mantle next to my “Barak Obama Comemorative Plate”!
/sarcasm
@Zython, actually I consider myself a liberal and I hope people will respectfully criticize the Obama administration if he screws things up.
and @Eric, don’t forget to dust your Commemorative plate.
Dear Miss Mysanthrope.
Wonder Woman is an Amazon, which is probably why she’s drawn like one. No doubt the Right Wing prefers Bondage Wonder Woman of the past.
…and Global Warming is a fact, you simpleton. Please stop insulting us thinking people with your lies.
I didn’t know girls could be tools too. Thanks for making that clear.
Funny thing is, back in the days when Marvel was making comics against Hitler you and your kind STILL didn’t like them, because conservatives wanted no part of WWII. It was the people you call ‘liberals’ today that wanted to fight Hitler, conservatives were isolationist.
The ideology of the comic world is pretty much right where it has been all along, in line with normal people. It’s you – the scary, weird bastards of the far right – that are out of line, just as you always have been. You got your shot at power in the McCarthy and got disgraced, and you got another shot in the Bush era and yes, you are disgraced again.
Lol, check this out, it is hilarious!:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/16035.html#comments
“Debbie models new line of necklaces for lushes”
ROFL!!!
@Plissken79 I appologize, I left out Iron Man. Not only did he fight the bad guys, be the Communist or something else, he also made tons of nifty stuff for the military (and SHIELD).
still, he can’t qutie stand up to the coolness of Uncle Sam
http://ladygatorsplace.com/US/sam-comic.jpg
@MARK I agree that Wonder Woman looks manly because she’s an amazon. But as for global warming being fact, I ask you to first define global warming. Do you mean that Earth naturally warms and cools and that we had been in a warming period but have now entered a cooling period? If thats what you mean, then you are correct. However, if you mean that the Earth is getting warmer because of increased carbon dioxide and other green house gas output by mankind, then you are mistaken.
I think these scientists sum it up with their research far better then I can.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
But if thats not enough, then look at the difference between the readings from the ever dwindling, increasingly urban ground stations, to the satellite and weather ballon reaings, that can cover much more of the surface. They show minimal to no increase in average temperature over the last few decades.
(Singer, S. (1998). Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming’s Unfinished Debate. Oakland: The Independent Institute)
The arrogance in the idea that we can control the weather by any of our actions is astounding. If you are an evolutionist you believe that the earth has existed for billions of years before man, and to think man can some how, it the blink of cosmic eye that we’ve been here can destroy the planet is laughable. If you’re a Young Earth Creationist you believe that God is invariable in control and wouldn’t allow us to destroy the Earth before the Time of Judgement, as well as the fact that this kind of arrogance is what led to the Tower of Babel.
So really, no matter where you stand, you should see Man Made Global Warming for the bunk that it is.
*puts her head in her hands* Oh no, oh no. Not Spidey! My inner geek is screaming her head off. Hey, don’t get me wrong…..I’d love having an African-American for president…..just……of all the potential candidates…… There are so many African-American politicians that, I believe, would be a much better choice for President.
Actually, Ashford and Simpson did well long before the Eighties:
“Let’s Go Get Stoned”- Ray Charles
“Califoria Soul”- Fifth Dimension, Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
Also by Marvin and Tammi:
“Ain’t No Mountain High Enough”
“Ain’t Nothing Like The Real Thing”
“Your Precious Love”
“You’re All I Need To Get By”
“Reach Out and Touch (Somebody’s Hand)- Diana Ross
…and so on. They wrote all the above songs.
Funny thing is, back in the days when Marvel was making comics against Hitler you and your kind STILL didn’t like them, because conservatives wanted no part of WWII. It was the people you call ‘liberals’ today that wanted to fight Hitler, conservatives were isolationist.
The ideology of the comic world is pretty much right where it has been all along, in line with normal people. It’s you – the scary, weird bastards of the far right – that are out of line, just as you always have been. You got your shot at power in the McCarthy and got disgraced, and you got another shot in the Bush era and yes, you are disgraced again.
Hush, child. The grown-ups are talking.
Reality to Jonah West;
The 90’s was the HOTTEST decade on record. The friggin ice caps at BOTH poles are shrinking at an ever increasing rate. Yeah global warming is bunk.
I am just glad that the voters finally had enough of your kind’s right wing create your own reality fact free nuttery…pathetic.
I’m writing back again to say that I am sorry, and that the last post I made wasn’t very kind. I may not agree about the decisions our country made during the election, but that gives me no right to slander people. Even though I’m a geek. *grins*
P.S.: Yes, I am a conservative, and proud of it!
Not sure this went through…
@HIMSELF Really? I could have sworn it was the 1930’s,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560674/Christopher-Booker’s-notebook.html
or
http://www.skepticalscience.com/1934-hottest-year-on-record.htm
Or still
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/cold-hard-facts-take-the-heat-out-of-some-hot-claims/2007/08/17/1186857765035.html
And that is still only looking at the last century or so, when you factor in a longer time period you see that the temperatures in the 90’s weren’t that horribly high.
Look, I know liberals have an aversion to fact, and backing up your position with some sort of reference or citation is considered a weakness, but could you at least try? It shouldn’t be hard to find something backing up your position, unless your position has nothing to do with evidence but rather a religious fanaticism regarding environmentalism.
The con of man made global warming can be compared to this. 30 years out of 6000 is about .005%. Claiming that the world is heating because .005% of the years were hotter is the same as saying that the crime rate is skyrocketing because, over the last 10950 days(30 years), 55 (54.75, or .005%) days have had increased crime. Or say you want to compare it to the entire (evolutionary thinking) history of earth, about 4 billion years. 30 years of that is about 7.5*10^-9 or .0000000075%, which using the same idea of crime over thirty years would be .000082125 days, or about 7.0956 seconds of increased crime means a increase in crime above the normal. Basing a claim with out looking at the broader historical context is not only foolish, its bad science.
This doesn’t make sense. The complaining about a comic book, I mean. Don’t comic artists always write about what’s on the public mind? And right now there’s no bigger story than Obama. Everyone’s fascinated, whether they like him or not. So Marvel wants to cash in on the Inauguration, and the obvious way to do that is to send an assassin after Obama and then have their #1 hero break it up. That seems pretty simple and straightforward to me. I’m not sure what the problem is.
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