Mamas, Papas and Daughters: Acid is a Helluva Drug
by Daniel J. Flynn
I hate getting a song stuck in my head. This is especially true when the song is “I Saw Her Again Last Night” and the reason it’s stuck there is because I just heard the news that Papa John Phillips raped his drugged-out daughter Mackenzie the night before her wedding. The “One Day at a Time” star responded by partaking in a consensual relationship with him. At least that’s Mackenzie Phillips’s twisted story.
As much as one might want to believe that Mackenzie’s drug abuse discredits her story, one is reminded how much Papa John’s drug abuse credits it. If ever a man’s demeanor vindicated Nancy Reagan’s ‘Just Say No’ admonition, Papa John’s did. When he was sober, he was still stoned.
The daughter of the Mamas and the Papas leader remembered, “One night dad said, ‘We could just run away to a country where no one would look down on us. There are countries where this is an accepted practice. Maybe Fiji.’”
Maybe not.
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Daniel that is one sick story. No offense to you, but my gosh!!!
Why would anyone reveal this? I can only guess it was a sick ploy for attention.
the ick will not wash off of me. and i too, wondered why the telling of this story now, even if it is true.
MP's revelation of incest reminds me of the closing moments of Mommie Dearest, only a lot, lot more twisted. Having done my share of teenage drugs, I must confess that it never occurred to me to be attracted to a relative, much less one of my parents. Famous people really are different.
When you need a bit of cash, notice drug aspect of story, why not disgrace your entire family and friends
and write a book..
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My sister was telling me about this last night. I'm kind of boycotting tv at the moment, so I hadn't heard.
Sick sick sick. I don't know what to think, whether it happened or not (it very likely could have) and why reveal it now.
Geeze
No they're not different.
They are just allowed to express their baser natures, for any of a multitude of reasons – money being at or near the top of that list. And by buying the product of their "art", we are enabling it even if we don't know it's going on.
I feel bad for Mackenzie if this is true and it explains a lot of her issues over the years. But seriously, some things just don't need to be shared. I've felt dirty since the first time I saw this headline the other day.
Shocking and revolting story. It defies comprehension that it later became consensual on her part.
Well we know what era the mamas and the papas came out of, right? Free love and anything goes. Blech! Gives me the willies just thinking about it.
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Even back in the day I don't think anyone ever suggested that John Phillips was a great idea for a personal role model. I'm not sure why you drag LSD into the article — I don't think that there is any evidence that psychoactive drugs are necessary or even conducive to incest.
I guess the residuals from TV shows aren't supporting Mackenzie's lifestyle so it's time for a book tour.
Yeah, even in the process of coming to grips with it, presupposing that she does, keep that one to yourself. Gee those 60's were just so……..cool, weren't they? Glad I was too involved with being a child.
As soon as I get the time machine to work…………..
Even in my wildest experimentation phases later on in the 70's, this one never came to mind.
Great song writer, but a fry brain if there ever was one. When someone looses touch with reality in a drug induced state, these are the nasty tales you hear, disgusting.
Not really, the trust of a child towards a parent can bee very strong, and has been abused before in this manner. Yeah, it still qualifies when the kid is "old enough to know better."
She might say it became consensual, she probably feels better about it that way. But all of us who do and have done practically anything anytime anywhere because a parent asked us to thus it was "the right thing to do," should have some level of understanding as to why she believes she voluntarily agreed to it later. And what it means to "just do it again" after getting forced into doing something the first time.
Not really, the trust of a child towards a parent can be very strong, and has been abused before in this manner. Yeah, it still qualifies when the kid is "old enough to know better."
She might say it became consensual, she probably feels better about it that way. But all of us who do and have done practically anything anytime anywhere because a parent asked us to thus it was "the right thing to do," should have some level of understanding as to why she believes she voluntarily agreed to it later. And what it means to "just do it again" after getting forced into doing something the first time.
And we are supposed to like Hippys because? The amorality that is subtext in John Phillip's utterance to his daughter is thick. So grotesque.
Not really a big surprise. Even his 'drug buddies' like
Gram Parsons and Keith Richards thought that he
was kind of a sleazeball.
Not with the size of those egos out there! If there is an award they will try for it, you might even talk a few into trying out for the Darwin's. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
You would have so many celebrities incinerating the talk shows with ever-juicer tales of woe, it would not be a month before all of America would believe all of these liberal nutjob stars come from horrendous trauma-inducing childhoods that created lifelong inabilities to deal with reality and permanent mental instability that…
Wait a minute.
You guys are so narrow minded. It's just an alternative orientation, for crying out loud. If McKenzie is disturbed by what happened, it's only because of society's intolerance of real love, not because she and her dad did anything wrong.
I had to look at your profile to see if you were serious or not.
Kinda explains why he added a 350 lb glutton to the group – because she could sing, of course – doesn't it? If he'd been 'real' with all that 'peace, love' crap he touted, he'd have made Mama Cass get control of her caloric intake, as a condition to joining his band. She made him a boatload of money, so he didn't give a crap, This is just more proof of the lack of 'love' in the hippy 'love' movement!
Now they (or their kids) are running our government. Ain't seein' much 'love' there, either! As long as we work and pay taxes – from which they get their extravagant lifestyles – they don't care if we live or die … or suffer in the process. Friggin hypocrites! Why am I surprised? The friggin Dems are the ones who set up and fought to keep slavery! Now the main 'buck' runs the show. (For you dumbasses, a buck is the prized big, healthy black slave they bred to get more healthy black slaves.)
Granted, John Phillips was a scumbag, but…
Isn't this like Mackenzie's third or fourth book? It seems every 5 years she emerges from her rock and announces to Oprah, Barbara Walters, Larry King, etc. that something rotten happened to her and it was all Daddy's fault! I'm not defending John Phillips, but methinks Mack needs to keep the sewer flowing to sustain her current habit of choice.
I completely believe this SICK story. Incest exists and these people were living in a world blurred by drugs. Both Mackenzie's sisters said she told them about this years ago.
It's sad to see people questioning her motives or saying she should have kept it out of the public. Why, because it's so offensive? Her father was/is a public figure and sometimes we idolize people because they have a talent, but we need to remember who they are as human beings. let the truth be told about him. There's a place in society for public shame as it helps to control bad behavior.
Somebody must of pi$$ed in the trolls Cheerios, everybody was knocked down to 0.
Why wait until now when he's dead and you've already made half a dozen harrowing confessions to Geraldo over the years? C'mon…
Lola, there's no such thing as amorality. Only morality and immorality.
They should been called the "Kiddies and the Papas"!!! Sick sick sick. What else do expect out of the twisted Hollywierd Californicators?
Amen to Chidog! I hope to God that her story will save so many hurt people. I can hardly believe how many people have posted that it is a sick story and she should have just kept her mouth shut. What is wrong with you people???
I noticed that on this stream of commentary and others as well. Is that a common occurence or
just when someone accidently kicks a rock?
it's been going on for days, i spend my clicks getting people back on the plus side as i go thru
This is just sick. What I mean is – McKenzie saying this in order to bring attention to herself. As it so happens, I am the survivor of child abuse myself (though thank the Lord it wasn't as hellish as this) – and trust me, I can smell 'user' a mile off. And McKenzie's use of this charge of incest reeks to high heaven. I am not addressing whether or not this is true (I think unfortunately that it is though I doubt it is as much as McKenzie says it is) – what I AM addressing is the unforgivable satisfaction that McKenzie is displaying at revealing this. Her blatant use of something as horrible as incest degrades the horror it deserves and lessens its evil – that is unforgivable. She's using that horror for her own benefit – and that makes me very angry.
Yeah, I agree. Why can't we get to the real question here: Was he big?
Dictionary says otherwise.
I think I know what you are saying, there is right and wrong and that is it. But there are those who do not accept something can be right or wrong, they refuse to accept such absolutes. Especially when it is done so someone can do anything they want without feeling guilt, that is amorality. A frequent example is "It's just sex," which gave us Bill Clinton and this.
And I am wondering at any given moment which a liberal would think is more detestable, if either are at all.
I do the same thing tho I'm not sure anyone cares. Its the correctness of the thing, something a lib would not understand.
Pass me the industrial strength Brain Bleach (TM). Filthy hippies.
Undoubtedly one of the most disgusting stories I've ever heard. IF it's true, I pity the girl, but then I hear that they left the younger sister Bijou alone with the freak as well, and that it became consensual between MacKenzie and John and continued for many years, even resulting in a pregnancy where the baby could have been her father's. How freakin' sick and depraved can two people possibly be? At some point, doing all those years, did neither of them have a lucid, sane moment, and go "What the HELL?!!!" I've heard people say that bringing this out into the open will help others suffering from abuse, but again, IF TRUE, I wonder if this was something better left to the confidences of a therapist, and not trotted out on big Okra for ratings, and book sales.
Great, now I can never hear a Mamas and Papas song again without throwing up a little in my mouth.
Man I have to look at her in a different light. Perhaps Hollywood ought to have a "most screwed up childhood" award – the Tatum O'Neil Award?
Like the Oscars it could be "The Tatums"
C'mon yourself. This is obviously a very difficult subject and confession. Why wait until he's dead? The obvious answer is it's easier. If her father were still alive, he would be ostracized and it would only further complicate their relationship.
I like it, the Pulitzers. Nobels, Golden Globes and the Tatums, all these award
shows are Libs giving Libs awards anyway.
It fits right in and it won't disturb the political template.
Don't make me prove it by listing the loser winners starting with Algore, Arafat, going alphabetically.
Gee guys, everything is beautiful. If he was alive he'd be giving us political advice. Of course, she is selling a book. Of course, he was a libertine and legally intoxicated most of his adult life. He was….crippled and pathetic when he died.
Stop worshipping these schmucks and stop consuming the endless talk shows (The Wisdom of Ockra) understand that all their philanthropy is putting your money where their mouth is. Oh well, maybe it's just me.
It's funny how Hollywood exalts and fawns over the likes of Phillips and Jackson, while vilifying pastors getting caught having an affairs with a member of their congregation. And they call conservatives hypocrites!
The fact is, we don't know if it's true, we only know what she is saying now. It may well be true, or it may be false or it may be false memory – but if she didn't have it in her to confront her accuser when he was alive, one has to ask – what's the purpose in airing this now when her father is dead and cannot refute it? Oh, yes – "if it can save just one child" – well, if she didn't save that one child, her younger stepsister, when it was in her power, are we supposed to believe she is suddenly concerned with that anonymous "one child" now? Why do stars and demi-stars always think we have to know ever graphic detail of their lives?
It shows how low the Oprah and Mac will go. I was assaulted with this filth in a promo. I haven't seen an episode of Okra in years and I won't watch her desparate panic for more ratings now.
Speaking of the devil
Didn't Tatum O'Neil get hit on by her father a few weeks ago ?
Is coming out of the closet taking on a new meaning ?
For all the Mactors here,be honest.
Is this the norm in Hollywood now ?
I used to think the depravity exposed in movies such as "Chinatown" was unusual, even for L.A. Now I know better.
The fact is, that if this story is true, MacKenzie Phillips was also an adult. Maybe a drugged out adult but an adult and one able to make her own moral decisions. That she chose to have a consensual, incestous relationship with her depraved father makes her equally as depraved, in my opinion. And the fact that she is willing to expose their depravity and get sympathy for it is beyond grotesque.
I know far too many people who excuse themselves from the most vile acts by claiming to be drunk, stoned or "blacked out". I'm not buying it.
I wouldn't know the group from any of the other hippie songsters of the day, but it doesn't surprise me in the least. WHO these people are is written in their deeds, not their songs…..unlike my favorite, Hank.
Why did she reveal this? She has all her little plastic surgery goin, she just released a book that would not have sold. Now she has a hot little scandal about a dead pop star dad…
…OBVIOUSLY she is looking to ca$h out.
Duh.
I don't even know why this is being discussed. It's sensationalist crap. The guy's dead and can't defend himself. It could be all made up in order to sell books. For the record, John's ex-wife Michelle and other daughter China say it's nonsense.
You have difficulty with comprehension. Where did I say he shouldn't be ostracized? You asked why wait until now and I gave an obvious answer. Learn something about incest; its effects are extremely complicated. Sometimes, people will go to great lengths to protect those who have hurt them. She obviously had maintained some kind of positive relationship with her father, no doubt for a variety of psychological reasons and 'outing' him when he was still alive and dealing with the aftermath was, perhaps, something she was unable to emotionally/mentally deal with.
What a shame that so many are such simpletons. Probably the same people who just 'know' they would never have lived in a tent after being kidnapped and raped when there had been opportunities to flee.
John Phillips was an extremely permissive man, particularly when it came to drugs, and even Michelle Phillips said that during their Virgin Island years, there was always more drugs around than food. Whenever Mackenzie and her brother were at their father's home, there was piles of drugs just sitting out. Part of the reason why Michelle Phillips left was because she didn't want her daughter Chyna growing up in that kind of environment. John and Cass Elliott frequently butted heads and he was not known to have been nice to her.
Of course, being a junkie, a jerk, and an irresponsible, neglectful parent doesn't make you an incestuous monster. Is Mackenzie's story plausible? Sadly, I can't dismiss this out of hand. She might be vying for attention and money but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Phillips might have been a great songwriter but he had a real dark side.
On the other hand, Mackenzie has a very long history of drug abuse and an equally-long history of lying, usually for attention. What does it say about her that she's willing to tell the world that she voluntarily participated in an incestuous affair with her dad? That's desperation. Revealing a rape is one thing, saying you were okay with it for a long time is….I don't know what to think :O. Not too long after her father died, she was on some t.v. show with some John Edward type of psychic to "contact" her father. Mackenzie said that she could feel her father's presence and how much she missed him, etc.. Creepy.
I worked in an office, where a similar situation was going on,between father and daughter. Of course,no one knew this was going on—–his wife discovered it somehow. I never really knew the guy,but whenever we passed each other,I got,what I call the feeling–a creepy feeling. Anyway, I moved to another office,and heard about his arrest. The really sick thing about this guy was,that even after his arrest,there was no remorse,and that he insisted that he was in love with his daughter,and wanted to marry her !!
Does anyone remember the controversy about his needing and getting a liver transplant due to his alcoholism? Then being caught on camera drinking alcohol after the transplant.
By the way, Chyna Phillips does believe Mackenzie. The statement is easy to find.
The scariest and creepiest component of this lurid, sordid scandal is that Mackenzie Phillips is lost. She will never be who she could have been when she was a kid, because her soul, her mind, her emotions, her self were robbed by her father. She now seems to me to be just reguriating what has been said to her and what she thinks people will accept; I wonder if she even believes any of it with the way she tries to prootect this vile man who was her disgusting pig of a father.
p..s. because I don't think she really believes what she is really saying about the hostage-like relationship she had with her father, I don't think she should be out there talking about it. I do think she is doing it purposefully to sell books.
Only one prob Bill, More Hollyweirdo's would qualify for the "Tatums" than the Oscars then!!
That's for damn sure…..
Oh you judgmental rightwingers. Always looking down your noses at people who are different than you.
/a hefty SARC mind you
Simply put, there is no evidence that he raped her. She said that she resumed consciousness and looked and realized that she was boinking her dad.
The revealing question is "who was on top".
Answer that an you'll know who raped whom.
Actually you won't.
That John Phillips was a druggie sleazeball is scarcely a "stop press" news flash. This is a pile of dirty laundry that should have been used as land-fill. No one wins from spectacularizing such a personal disaster.
I don't think it was drugs that is at the root of the depravity. I think the drugs enabled the sick and twisted mind of John Phillips to prey upon his own daughter. Enablement of the already twisted and scummy sickness. There really is no excuse. MP needs to be in some heavy therapy to resolve the issues created by this perversion. I also believe there is a special place in hell for John Phillips.
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Oh,heaven forbid we ostracize a man who has sex with his daughter!. After all, we don't want to complicate what they've got going. Are you actually serious?
I can't imagine what motive would be there for Mackenzie to blab this out to the world except to try to help others in such horrific circumstances and maybe help wash this away from herself. This is a tragic story, to say the least.
The thing that strikes me has been said here already……that these are the sick from the generation that is now in charge of the White House. Soros is all about dropping barriers to drugs and wants anything sexual legitimized….I think because he thinks he can take the society down through depravity. Every org. he owns is about anti-social behavior, anti-American culture, anti-Christian morals, control of the stupid masses. That generation was/is all about 'free' sex with no consequences, pro-abortion, and do whatever you want to get your self gratification. Ever wonder why we are being inundated with E.D. drug commercials? Great distraction from the political realities, eh?
Maybe she "obviously maintained some kind of positive relationship with her father" because her latest story is not true.
You are right. It is a shame there are so many simpletons who will just believe any story a C list, has-been celebrity concocts and confesses to Oprah.
For the record, I am being sarcastic to make a point.
So far I've received two minuses. I don't know if it is from people who can't spot sarcasm or from those who can.
No sir I didn't delete a point. But, as I have commented in other areas and some agreement
among the group that a lot of that is being done. As I said I try and give points where I notice
this happening to make up for the trolls that are thought to be responsible. Others are awarding points as well. I gave you another one just now. We'll see if it lasts.
No worries. I wasn't referring to you. Apologies if it came across that way. Thanks for the points. Back at ya!
And David Crosby got a liver transplant too. I speak as a Byrds fan since 1965, but, wow, who gets turned down?
Man, Oprah's ratings are probably as low as this sick woman's rants. Nobody needed to give this very sick woman a platform for her delusional book. So anybody that dies be warned with Oprah you can write a sick book unverified lies and yes LSD and she will have you on her show. I am not going to defend Mr. Phillips because he was a sick individual but he is also dead and cannot defend these serious charges. This is just wrong on all levels.
Actually I think it is good that this disgusting revelation has come to the light of day. It is just another example of the drugs, sex and rock and roll (baby) generation of degenerates. Yes it is good that now when we hear the indoctrination in the music from that era we can remember what kind of flakes produced it.
Much of the music from that era preached hedonism and the glorification of drugs and sex, along with liberal anti-war politics. At the time when I was a teenager I thought it was great and wanted to join the "movement"; hippie, that is. Thank God circumstances prevented me.
I guess Papa John Phillips was just following the advice given in the old Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young song, "Love the One You're With" – too bad the one he was with happened to be his own daughter. And to think that the "Mamas and the Papas" were considered one of the more "wholesome" folk rock groups of the '60's. Yeah, the '60's were just so… cool (yuck!) God bless my square parents for keeping me on the "Straight and Narrow".
The only character I liked on Mackenzie's first (and only) show, "One Day at a Time", was the younger daughter played by Valerie Bertinelli. She had her problems but nothing like what Mackenzie Phillips has just revealed. Mackenzie's character struck me as stubborn, contrary, and, at times, downright unpleasant. The character of her mom was not that much more appealing.
When one has no self-discipline, one has no freedom. Addictions, whether to drugs, sex, or political power, always demand more. There is no such thing as behavior without consequences. All behavior have consequences, whether positive, neutral, or negative. What we're seeing is people, being caught up in the negative consequences brought on by their thoughtless behavior, are demanding that others – the state, funded by taxpayers, come to their rescue.
CBK and JW,
Brilliant recreation of the more-or-less famous exchange between Fitzgerald and Hemingway. You two just made my day. And if it's all the same to you both, I've already stolen this whole thing for future reference, etc.
Cheers!
I got it on first pass, but Buck, you scored a 9.98 on the Wince-o-meter.
Ditto.
To: John Phillips
From: Fiji.
Subject: Really?
Mr. Phillips:
Do the letters "F" and "O" mean anything to you?
Signed,
The Republic of Fiji Islands.
I saw her again last night,
And you know that I shouldn't
Just string her along; it's just not right
If I could then I wouldn't.
But what can I do; I'm lonely too.
And it makes me feel so good to know
She'll never leave me.
I'm in way over my head;
Now she thinks that I love her (yeah, yeah)
Because that's what I said
Though I never think of her.
(No, no, never think of her)
But what can I do? I'm lonely too.
And it makes me feel so good to know
(And it makes me feel so good to know…)
She'll never leave me.
Takes on a whole new meaning doesn't it?
This heartwarming Father's Day Moment brought to you courtesy of the liberal left of the Western world.
Is there any doubt the "If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad" chorus has begun over at HuffPo, clumsy, pedestrian trivialities such as incest and statutory rape aside?
In the early 80s I was late for a meeting at Barney's. As I arrived I saw Mackenzie "dancing" down the street high as a kite. I remember thinking that someone…anyone…needed to get her into a car and somewhere else. When I checked a few minutes later she was gone.
I kinda feel like this is the same thing.
Michelle Phillips claims it's a lie designed to sell McKenzie's book. That John Phillips was very flawed, but not that way. Generally, wives know when something is going on, and it is exceedingly rare for bio-evolutionary reasons for biological fathers to molest biological daughters. It seems a hard-wired taboo.
My guess, false, and made conveniently after John Phillips is dead. My reasoning is that Philips as a celeb could have any girl, and probably frequently did. McKenzie Phillips is not (and never has been) very attractive. Given that it was well within John Phillips reach to have younger women/girls than his daughter, who were far more attractive, I find McKenzie's charge not reaching past the first level of plausibility. But that's just my opinion.
The difference is that Crosby stayed clean after his transplant, Phillips didn't. I'm not saying he managed to jump the line ahead of the Medicare grandma who had been waiting longer, but he did stay clean afterward. Doesn't matter, anyway, I can no longer listen to either's music because I disagree with their politics.
That's sort of the point.
Why didn't she talk about this when Daddy was alive? Mack's who;e life is a drug induced train wreck. She comes out every so many years with a book of misery just to make some money to feed her lifestyle. I am not a big fan of this SOB, but the guy is dead and can't defend himself, no one really knows the truth here. This is a sick way to make a living, but this is expected from the Hollywood leftist who embraced sex, drugs and the hippy dippy lifestyle. I have always said that nothing good came out of the mud in woodstock, the entire 60s generation that drop out all deserve the misery in their reckless lives and what they did to their kids. They derailed the country into the mess we are in today.
by definition, in all ethics policies I have ever read, a "relationship" can not be consensual if one is in a position of power over the other (that's why professors, therapists, pastors, etc aren't supposed to have flings with their students, clients, parishioners,etc). Yes, I know that there are occasional exceptional exceptions, but that is the over-arching rule.
Therefore, could such a "relationship" ever have been truly consensual???
just a thought.
(without any idea of truth of allegation)
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