Lt. Starbuck … Lost In Castration.
by Dirk BenedictOnce upon a time, in what used to be a far away land called Hollywood (but is now a state of mind and everywhere), a young actor was handed a script and asked to bring to life a character called Starbuck. I am that actor. The script was called “Battlestar Galactica.”
Fortunately, I was young, my imagination fertile and adrenal glands strong, because bringing Starbuck to life was over the dead imaginations of a lot of Network Executives. Every character trait I struggled to give him was met with vigorous resistance. A charming womanizer? The “Suits” (Network Executives) hated it. A cigar (fumerello) smoker? The Suits hated it. A reluctant hero who found humor in the bleakest of situations? The Suits hated it. All this negative feedback convinced me I was on the right track.
Starbuck was meant to be a lovable rogue. It was best for the show, best for the character and the best that I could do. The Suits didn’t think so. “One more cigar and he’s fired,” they told Glen Larson, the creator of the show. “We want Starbuck to appeal to the female audience for crying out loud.” You see, the Suits knew women were turned off by men who smoked cigars, especially young men. How they “knew” this was never revealed. And they didn’t stop there. “If Dirk doesn’t quit playing every scene with a girl like he wants to get her in bed, he’s fired.” This was, well, it was blatant heterosexuality, treating women like “sex objects.” I thought it was flirting. Never mind, they wouldn’t have it. I wouldn’t have it any other way, or rather Starbuck wouldn’t. So we persevered, Starbuck and I. The show, as the saying goes, went on and the rest is history for, lo and behold, women from all over the world sent me boxes of cigars, phone numbers, dinner requests, and marriage proposals.
The Suits were not impressed. They would have their way, which is what Suits do best, and after one season of puffing and flirting and gambling, Starbuck, that loveable scoundrel, was indeed fired. Which is to say, “Battlestar Galactica” was cancelled. Starbuck, however, would not stay cancelled, but simply morphed into another flirting, cigar smoking, blatant heterosexual called Faceman. Another show, another set of Suits, and of course, if The “A-Team” movie rumors prove correct, another remake.
There was a time, I know I was there, when men were men, women were women and sometimes a cigar was just a good smoke. But 40 years of feminism have taken their toll. The war against masculinity has been won. Everything has turned into its opposite, so that what was once flirting and smoking is now sexual harassment and criminal. And everyone is more lonely and miserable as a result.
Witness the “re-imagined” “Battlestar Galactica,” bleak, miserable, despairing, angry and confused. Which is to say, it reflects in microcosm the complete change in the politics and morality of today’s world, as opposed to the world of yesterday. The world of Lorne Greene (Adama), Fred Astaire (Starbuck’s Poppa) and Dirk Benedict (Starbuck). I would guess Lorne is glad he’s in that Big Bonanza in the sky and well out of it. Starbuck, alas, has not been so lucky. He’s not been left to pass quietly into that trivial world of cancelled TV characters.
“Re-imagining”, they call it. “Un-imagining” is more accurate. To take what once was and twist it into what never was intended. So that a television show based on hope, spiritual faith and family is un-imagined and regurgitated as a show of despair, sexual violence and family dysfunction. To better reflect the times of ambiguous morality in which we live, one would assume. A show in which the aliens (Cylons) are justified in their desire to destroy human civilization, one would assume. Indeed, let us not say who the good guys are and who the bad are. That is being “judgmental,” taking sides, and that kind of (simplistic) thinking went out with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and Kathryn Hepburn and John Wayne and, well, the original “Battlestar Galactica.”
In the bleak and miserable “re-imagined” world of “Battlestar Galactica,” things are never that simple. Maybe the Cylons are not evil and alien but in fact enlightened and evolved? Let us not judge them so harshly. Maybe it is they who deserve to live and Adama and his human ilk who deserve to die? And what a way to go! For the re-imagined terrorists (Cylons) are not mechanical robots void of soul, of sexuality, but rather humanoid six foot tall former lingerie models who f**k you to death. (Poor old Starbuck, you were imagined too early. Think of the fun you could have had ‘fighting’ with these thong-clad aliens!) In the spirit of such soft-core, sci-fi porn I think a more re-imaginative title would have been “F**cked by A Cylon.” (Apologies to “Touched by an Angel.”)
One thing is certain. In the new un-imagined, re-imagined world of “Battlestar Galactica” everything is female driven. The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak and wracked with indecision, while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp!) and not about to take it any more.
One can quickly surmise what a problem the original Starbuck created for the re-imaginators. Starbuck was all charm and humor and flirting without an angry bone in his womanizing body. Yes, he was definitely “female driven,” but not in the politically correct ways of Re-imagined Television. What to do, wondered the Re-imaginators? Keep him as he was, with a twinkle in his eye, a stogie in his mouth and a girl in every galaxy? This could not be. He would stick out like, well, like a jock strap in a drawer of thongs. Starbuck refused to be re-imagined. It became the Great Dilemma. How to have your Starbuck and delete him too?
The best minds in the world of un-imagination doubled their intake of Double Soy Latte’s as they gathered in their smoke-free offices to curse the day that this chauvinistic Viper Pilot was allowed to be. But never under-estimate the power of the un-imaginative mind when it encounters an obstacle (character) it subconsciously loathes. ”Re-inspiration” struck. Starbuck would go the way of most men in today’s society. Starbuck would become “Stardoe.” What the Suits of yesteryear had been incapable of doing to Starbuck 25 years ago was accomplished quicker than you can say orchiectomy. Much quicker, as in, “Frak! Gonads Gone!”
And the word went out to all the Suits in all the smoke-free offices throughout the land of Un-imagination, “Starbuck is dead. Long live Stardoe!”
I’m not sure if a cigar in the mouth of Stardoe resonates in the same way it did in the mouth of Starbuck. Perhaps. Perhaps it “resonates” more. Perhaps that’s the point. I’m not sure. What I am sure of is this…
Women are from Venus. Men are from Mars. Hamlet does not scan as Hamletta. Nor does Hans Solo as Hans Sally. Faceman is not the same as Facewoman. Nor does a Stardoe a Starbuck make. Men hand out cigars. Women “hand out” babies. And thus the world for thousands of years has gone’ round.
I am also sure that Show Business has been morphing for many decades now and has finally become Biz Business. The creative artists have lost and the Suits have won. Suits. Administrators. Technocrats. Metro-sexual money-men (and women), who create ever more efficient formulas to guarantee profit margins. Because movies and television shows are not made to enlighten or even entertain, but simply to make money. They will tell you it is (still) about story and character, but all it is really about is efficiency. About the Formula. Because Harvard Business School Technocrats run Hollywood and what Technocrats know is what must be removed from all business is Risk. And I tell you, life, real life, is all about risk. I tell you that without risk you have no creativity, no art. I tell you that without risk you have Remakes. You have, “Charlie’s Angels,” “The Saint,” “Mission Impossible,” “The A Team” (coming soon), and “Battlestar Galactica.”
All risk-free brand names, franchises.
For you see, TV shows (and movies) are made and sold according to the same business formula as hamburger franchises. So that it matters not if it is the “best” hamburger, what matters is that you “think” it is the best. And you do “think” it is the best, because you have been told to; because all of your favorite celebrities are seen munching it on TV. The big money is not spent on making the hamburger or the television show, but on the marketing of the hamburger/show. (One 60 second commercial can cost more than it does to film a one-hour episode.) It matters not to Suits if it is Starbuck or Stardoe, if the Cylons are robots or lingerie models, if the show is full of optimism and morality or pessimism and amorality. What matters is that it is marketed well, so that all you people out there in TV land know that you must see this show. And after you see it, you are told that you should like it. That it is new and bold and sleek and sexy and best of all … it is Re-imagined!
So grab a Coke from the fridge (not the Classic Coke, but the re-imagined kind with fewer calories) and send out for a McDonald’s hamburger (the re-imagined one with fewer carbs), and tune in to Stardoe and Cylon #6 (or was it #69?) and Enjoy the Show.
And if you don’t enjoy the show, or the hamburger and coke, it’s not the fault of those re-imaginative technocrats that brought them to you. It is your fault. You and your individual instincts, tastes and judgment — your refusal to let go of the memory of the show that once was. You just don’t know what is good for you. But stay tuned. After another 13 episodes (and millions of dollars of marketing), you will see the light. You, your instincts, your judgment, are wrong. McDonald’s is the best hamburger on the planet, Coca-Cola the best drink, and Stardoe is the best Viper Pilot in the Galaxy.
And “Battlestar Galactica,” contrary to what your memory tells you, never existed before the Re-imagination of 2004.
I disagree. But perhaps, you had to be there.








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Dirk, buddy, no offense, but the orginial Battlestar sucked on toast. It was a shamelss attempt by the networks to cash in on the Star Wars craze. Frankly, the remake isn’t much better, given that it mistakes sullen glares with profound truth.
However, deconstructing the current Battlestar as somehow betraying the masculine purity of the original or whatever you were blathering about makes me fear that you haven’t saved your A-Team money.
Dirk:
Right on spot, man! I was a huge, HUGE fan of the original Battlestar. I tried watching this new one but it is unimpressive, boring and depressing. Society has changed,but for those of us who have ben around long enough to see, it is not for the better. People are more bitter and downcast than ever before. Hell, the great depression brought more merriment ot people’s lives than things were even before our current “economic downturn.” You go, Starbuck, tell it like it is!!
Dirk, I’m sure if you’d slept with Apollo, the execs would have kept the show on regardless of how much you smoked.
Dirk,
Might I suggest any cigar from the Acid (Drew Estate) line. Torch it, and keep writing.
Come on back.
MAC
Well said, Mr. Benedict. Well said. One of my favorite shows as a boy was Battlestar Galactica. It ignited the imagination and was uplifting. When I first learned of the “re-imagined” Battlestar Galactica, I was excited because I thought I was about to receive more of the same fare I enjoyed as a boy – something I could sit down and watch with my kids. Not so. The “re-imagined” version is dark and depressing and not even a shadow of the original that I knew and loved. I don’t think our society is better for “re-imagined” versions of old favorite shows that dispense with morality and optimism. Thanks for an article that needed to be written, Mr. Benedict. Long live StarBUCK!
I’ve only seen the first two seasons of the new BG, but I have to say I found it a high quality show. It’s a fascinating opportunity to explore interesting sociological and geo-political issues on a small scale. As a former Naval officer, I appreciate the attention to detail given to ship life and battle scenarios. Giving the Cylons more complex motivation doesn’t excuse their evil, but warns us that evil lies in wait even in legitimate grievances and benign intentions.
But I heard it gets worse after that.
I agree with you whole-heartedly, though, about the feminization of our culture. Actually, I wouldn’t even say that, because it’s taking the femininity out of females. Castration is a better word – your title has it right. The virtues of Manliness – taking responsibility and risk for your family, strength, leadership, fatherhood, toughness, the willingness to fight for what’s right and keep fighting after getting hit a bunch of times – that’s been nearly lost to an entire generation.
All is not lost in the world of remakes, though. Even in 2007, my boyhood hero Optimus Prime was still channeling John Wayne…
Wonderful piece, well written, and sharp. Many of us had thought that the Hollywood rot was endemic to all in the acting professional. It is interesting to see that a few brave souls still wear their own pants.
Sadly, this may explain the embargo against further offers for acting pieces to you.
And that, in a well-written nutshell, is why I haven’t downed my fanboy-issued cup of ‘Battlestar Galactica 2004′ Koolaid.
It wasn’t just the ‘girl power’ version of Starbuck, it’s that the whole series is nihilistic, depressing and full of moral equivalence.
I could go on (in fact I just deleted a couple of pages worth of rants against BSG 2.0) I’ll leave it there. I’m not supporting BSG’s sponsors. I’m ACTIVELY not watching, if one can do such a thing.
Dirk, I always felt, watching that show in the 1970s, that your character is what **made** the show. Starbuck was a fearless, lovable rogue.
And for all the talk Hollywood does about “creativity” it is the “suits” that have so much input.
Wow! I’m impressed. I would not have thought that Dirk Benedict would or could put that many coherent thoughts together. And on top of that, I tend to agree with him, even though I do enjoy the “re-imagined” Battlestar G much more than the original…
Wow! I’m no fan of the new Galactica, but someone took the bitter bus this morning! They re-imagined the show, and I think it’s lasted quit a bit longer than the 70s’ version with its fabulous feathered hair. Starbuck is not Hamlet, and they didn’t cut your actual n*ts off, Dirk. Time moves on. And by the way, isn’t this article rehashed from 4 years ago?
Thank you!
Bravo, Mr. Benedict.
I’m a HUGE fan of the original Battlestar, and detest the re-imagined show for all the reasons you describe. Bleak, angsty, completely devoid of humor — who needs it?
Incidentally, I was only eight years old when the original show aired, but I had a big crush on Starbuck and Apollo. Still do.
Bravo Sir. I watched the original Battlestar as a kid. I’ve watched the BSG:redux. I find the redux overblown, confused storytelling, in spite of the very talented cast. I will not be rewatching repeats of it with my kids. However, Classic Battlestar, Classic Dirk Benedict Starbuck, Classic Apollo, Athena, Sheba, and classic Lorne Greene Adama will always be welcome. My daughters will see those men and women love and fight to protect their families.
Yeah, when I saw the hype about the “new” Battlestar Galactica I groaned about Hollyweird’s lack of imagination. All they do are remakes now, it seems. And then I heard they were making Starbuck into a lesbian I figured it would be pure trash. I don’t really watch tv any more so saying I never watched one episode of the new one isn’t as strong a comment as I would like it to be, but I don’t think I would ever bother with this show given the chance.
Amen. I thought my wife and I were the only ones on earth who weren’t thrilled with the “new and improved” BSG. Glad to see we are not alone.
I’m still waiting for that new TV sitcom about spunky news editor Mark Richards, his neighbor Rhadja and the quirky landlord Phillip (also married to Lars natch) as they struggle to make it in San Francisco TV news.
Couldn’t agree more. I refused to watch the new BG from the moment I heard they’d turned Starbuck into a chick. I don’t care how great they say the new one is. There’s a principle at stake.
I could not have said it better myself. Long live StarBUCK! (I still remember)
Dirk,
THANK YOU! I’ve been on this soap box since this new BSG emerged and everyone went ga-ga over it. I had thought that the whole world had forgotten the Battlestar Galactica from my childhood. One of the few TV shows we sat down as a family and enjoyed. (Sorry, Mom)
Know this, there are those of us who DO remember…
Dude, go easy on the shift key.
Why is there no mention that this piece was originally published in May 2004? That’s a long time ago, and long enough time for him to watch and appreciate what the actors have brought to their roles.
Yeah!!!! I loved you as Starbuck; now I love you for your honest stand on Battlestar……who knew
The original BG was way ahead of its time! It was one of the first attempts at serious serialized science fiction on American network television. The original show had some wonderful charm and made Sunday nights in front of the TV a requirement, just like Ed Sullivan or Lois and Clark (for me, at least).
And in the disappointing Galactica 1980, who was asked back for the only halfway decent episode, the one that closed out the series?
The current series is decent, but I still have some crazy love for the original, I have to admit.
Dirk, don’t stop contributing! Let’s hear about more of your battles with the suits!
Dirk, I am and have always been a fan of your work. But why can’t I enjoy the new show on it’s own merits and still have the fondest of memories for yours? You certainly have some valid points regarding the feminization of the show. Yes, the humans have a female president, and a female Starbuck (or Doe, whatever) and the cylons even seem to be mostly scantily clad robo-babes. But it is what it is. Take solace in the fact that it really isn’t or ever tried to be your show. Your show kicks all kinds of ass, still. But this show is ending, too. It may be darker and more bleak, and in it’s own way more misogynist than yours, but it will never BE yours. I’m ok with that.
Nice commentary. I had heard rave reviews about this show, and was loaned season 1 to watch. Even through half the season, I was bored. None of the characters even remotely interested me. The plot was convoluted and wandering. No characters, no plot- what’s so good about this show? I politely declined the loan of season 2.
Good article Dirk! I still enjoy the new series, but I have too look past it’s lame and predictable qualities.
Ron Moore is a “technocrat”? Zah? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
You can count me another fan of the old show who can’t bring himself to watch the new one. In addition to the complete and utter loss of hope (of course it’s so much more “real” that way), I can’t get over the stupidity and inconsistency of the storytelling. They invented thinking robots a hundred years ago and conquered space travel a thousand, but their medicine is no more advanced than ours? They use bullets and “nukes”? We currently have a laser that will stop a man (or even a crowd) from 1/4 mile away without causing him any harm, but they don’t have anything tougher than a pistol?
If you were a fan of Stargate Atlantis, you got to see a pretty reasonable explanation of what the future might look like. With BG, they cherry picked a ton of stuff for dramatic value, then told us we should just accept it and be happy. That is my big problem with the series, although the morose quality of the writing and bizarre nature of the cylons (especially their fascination with religion and reincarnation).
I pity the Faceman, writing this here jibber-jabber for Matt Drudge’s greased-up pool boy. The chumps at this site are howlin’ mad losers.
And I’m a real conservative. I gave Nancy Reagan Mohawk rides back in the day.
>“Re-imagining”, they call it. “Un-imagining” is more accurate.
“Bitter, party of one, your table is ready….”
It’s fairly obvious Benedict hasn’t watched the show he attempts to trash. The show is what the best scifi, the best storytelling, happens to be, about all of us. Whatever point of view you have, be it the most esoteric Leftist loftiness to the deepest, reasonable Right-iness, that point of view is found within BSG — and then countered by another point of view. This is a show that forces you to think.
In a world of Fox News nothingness and MSNBC mushiness, that is such a rare thing indeed.
I’m sorry you seem to be so embittered. I think you go too far with it, but for what it’s worth, and I don’t think I’m alone in this — some of us like both series, for different reasons.
The new BSG is in most ways…completely different, but with a tip of the hat to its namesake. The new BSG delves far deeper into what it means to be human — questioning whether we’re good, bad, or both, questioning our very existence or right to it. And it certainly gives consideration to the future. After all, ‘what if’…?
The old BSG (imho at least) was a fun, warm, show in which to get lost — as a child — as that’s when it aired for me. I’ve always loved sci-fi, and the idea of forcibly having to migrate toward a home you hope is there was both adventurous and sad at the same time. But the old BSG didn’t ask the tough questions I wasn’t quite ready for when it aired. Of course, as a child at the time, I was completely unaware of the Mormon undertones in the series.
In fact, it’s a special thing, for people my age who have watched/enjoyed both shows. BSG “grew up,” if you will, just as we did. Dark, serious, gritty…the severe questioning of humanity and human nature…are all exactly what I’m in the mood for these days. And as an adult, it doesn’t hurt to question those things; if you’re lucky, that’s how wisdom can take root.
Though you may find my description of the old series an insult, I don’t. The BSG of old was perfect at the time. The BSG of new is perfect, right now. As far as tv shows go, they’ve both had or are having their special moment on American TV (and elsewhere), and I probably won’t ever quite forget either series.
The differences between the two series are no reason to be so…bitter.
Vive le difference, after all.
Dirk, you are the man. I know the song. Well written. Will you be in my new film?
Apparently, all of the “strong women” in these movies and TV shows have had their entire reproductive organs removed and no longer suffer from monthly female problems. At least that’s what these movies and shows want to present, or perhaps what their female audiences want to pretend.
Let’s see Stardoe ready for battle during heavy flow, bloating and cramps.
What a joke!
An A-Team remake? Shame on you Hollywood.
As the mother of 4 boys & 1 grandson I now understand the subliminal reason we didn’t ever make this BG remake a part of our TV viewing.
It is sad when I have to change the channel during soft porn commercials for Victoria Secret.
Well written blog that contains MANY truths. But to be honest Dirk, the re-imagined BSG is not devoid of value. It would have made a fine story of its own had they not stolen the branding of the original to sell it. Your point about profit over quality is true not just in Hollywood, it is Universal (see what I did there?
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I can certainly understand your obvious dislike for what was done to your character and the show in general. I was not happy at first, then I chose to look at the re-imagined show for what it was – a brand new program that reused a spaceship and a few dozen names. And it succeeds as entertainment, in fact it is far better than most of the tripe coming out of Hollywood. (Reality show anyone?)
Your point about the over-feminization of everything is not lost on me though, and I do get sick of Hollywood’s perversion of male and female roles in society. It gets real old. But remember it is their job to provide us with fantasy, and it is apparent they live in a fantasy world.
All in all, I think you are a little bitter here, but understandably so. Best of luck to you and thanks for some good moments on TV.
I appreciate the perspective, and I certainly agree that the current Battlestar is bleak as all get out, and has been a big turn off for me.
I remember when the Sci-Fi channel aired the initial TV movie that launched the new series. I eagerly awaited it because it looked very well done for a TV movie, plus I watched Battlestar reruns as a kid.
And it was cool. But by the end of the two day miniseries I was totally bummed. It all seemed so dark and postmodern. I never really paid attention to it after that.
Yet, some of Benedict’s criticisms are going a bit too far. “Men hand out cigars, and women hand out babies?” Hmm. I am all for masculinity, but I am not for chauvinism, and that statement to me smacks of it.
In truth, there would be nothing wrong with the current incarnation of Starbuck IF the men weren’t portrayed as ridiculously as they are. That’s the secret here: let’s not go back to the stereotyped portraits of women in TV from the past, but let’s also get away from the current stereotype of weak, broken men. Only then will we get something of an accurate portrayal of women AND men in Hollywood and TV.
I’m betraying my age, but I came after the original BSG. But I’ve never gotten into the new one. This article pretty well articulates why. Even without any knowledge or familiarity of the original incarnation, I could still never get into the sexy robot show. Terminator does it better.
Wow, awesome article!
I have to say, I agree with you BIG TIME about the new BSG. I tried so hard to get to like it. I watched 2 and a half seasons of it and then finally couldn’t take it anymore.
I tried to overlook the complete lack of moral clarity shown by the writers, but finally just had to give up.
Their distorted view of the way they wish the world (and people) would be simply created a bunch of very unrealistic characters and ethical situations.
It’s too bad, because this was one show that I really wanted to like.
Props to you for speaking out!
Dirk is Definitely not a member of the “New Castrati.”
I have also noticed that most of the remakes of shows I liked in the 70’s and 80’s seem to suck when they try to modernize them to fit our current vapid culture. We used to have interesting, rich charachters, with imaginitive plots, and semi-interesting dialogue. Now it’s like they just pick a bunch of pretty faced models who can barely read their poorly written lines, thow in a couple of explosions and car chases and call it good. Like most aspects of our culture, TV has been signifigantly dumbed-down. I stopped watching network sitcoms after seinfeld. All the good, smartly written stuff is on HBO now. I agree that the battlestar galactica remake is truly awful. The original wasnt exactly “Gone with the Wind”, but at least it wasnt preachy, morally conflicted, and acted by boring airhead models. By the way, did you see the Knight-rider re-make. It really stunk as well! That was another cool show from the 80’s that I liked. I am confident they will screw up the A-team as well.
It is about time someone called it like it is. Thanks Dirk!
Ronald Moore did a fantastic job with the upbeat positive future of Star Trek, but missed the mark by a mile with this depressing view of humanity.
Star Trek proved that a moral, positive future sells!
Excellent post, Mr. Benedict! I’ve been waiting for 10 years to read something like this. That’s how long it’s been since the combat battle woman character stopped being new and creative and started being a tired symbol of gender feminist empowerment.
Interestingly, it’s been mainly the male writers and directors who promulgate the archetype. It also appears to be popular with some portion of the male audience as well. This has left me wondering what makes some men attracted to the physically aggresive/violent woman character.
Metro-sexual, Metro-schmetual… we real women like our men to be MEN! Keep fighting the good manly fight, Mr. Benedict! Truly enjoyed your article!
When I found out the new BSG changed Starbuck to a Stardoe, that pretty much killed my interest right there. I have many friends who rave about the new BSG but I don’t need another bleak show to watch either. Whatever happened to the idea of being FUN?
No offense, Dirk. But Katee Sackhoff could kick your ass with one hand tied behind her back.
FYI: The guy who posted at 11:06am is not the “real” K, real being defined as the guy who posted as such on Libertas and DH’s Place, or as in “Me”.
With the increase in posters, someone may want to implement passwords and name control so that walking over other people’s handle is less likely.
Just sayin.
The title of this post may have well as been “Aging has-been Actor: Has Chip on Shoulder, Will Travel”.
Dirk,
Being a child of the 70’s I definitely grew up a follower of BSG. I also grew up a follow of the SWG. I draw no distinction as some of my fellow posters so please disregard those that do (which I’m sure you have over 20 years ago). Not only did I follow you’re TV exploits but some of your movies as well; “Scavenger Hunt” happens to be one of my favorites.
Every time I see your name on the net, news, etc it peaks my interest to see what you’ve been up to as I did here today. We may be older but damn if we’re not wiser. As I do agree with your views on the new BSG I do like the series. Since I can compare to the original to see what matches up and where they tried to substitute via symbolizing or in the writing it is mostly eye candy.
Don’t worry about the naysayers since the original series filled a void in my 8 year old imagination that is still there today. The new series only reinforces it.
And Dirk….KEEP ON ROCKIN’!
Geesh, Stickwick, buzzkill much? We’re talking about a TV show. Katee Sackhoff’s Starbuck can indeed kick ass, even with the boys. And trust me, it’s entirely believable on the screen. Which is what counts. Becuz we’re talking about a TV show.
As for kicking Dirk’s ass, c’mon, how hard can that be? Anyone who whines like that will hardly be protected by a ‘feminist fallacy.’
Mr Benedict
The castration occured in the first BG, when they in the show, it caved to the realignment of the sexes by having women in the military , and then the viper pilots, it occurred when you were in the first and your character started to be removed. Secondly seriously all, whether star trek or other always has this weakman syn. along with all the weak men in all TV? From Lucy to now, men are either stupid, or weak. for a very long time, and women either manipulative or using sex to get what they want, aside from occassional older western or commando with the now gov. of cal. tell me where is a strong man of good character to show younger men how to act? or a woman of good character to act to show younger women a goal to act like ? where they are not using sex appeal in some way, but just in a good wise form as an intellegent woman, not dominating men but acting as a woman but equal? not smoking a cigar as a casterated starbuck? *( aside CIS Miami or other?)
And in all of the Sci Fi or the like, where the sexes are reverse or the men drinking drunk and the women controling in some odd lesbos fantasy, most often all societies are failing anyway as most sci fi in the end is dark. What world do the wish to have? no one is ever shown a good world in the end
Then as the goal of all of this is to make women in combat acceptable
the question is
If mum is off at war and coming back with a arm or leg missing or more as from Iraq or the like
or medical conditions so cannot have babies,
how will a society survive? in the us or anywhere, and please no response of oh then we won’t have war,
the enemy does not think this way,,,,,,,,,ask the women under the taliban or else where
The Next Question is then
after the next major war, *( as history always repeats it self sooner or later )
and the feminist have there way and male and female is drafted,,,,,,,,,,,
who in the end will car for the older generation? as there will be no one to bare children and to raise them?
some children yes,,,,,,,,,,but not enough
It is the logical end of all of this, when all are drafted and the technology available now used in war,
and everyone brain washed for such a long time to find it acceptable
without thought to the future
Why not show this evitable conclusion in the movies and all else?
You end with a war with China, as China always has if you read the battle plans for war and all general there forever state the need for war without reproach from anyone in the government
aside the casualties of war here
the young will come back in number unable to reproduce, so a generation comes where the old are not able to be cared for
there is not enough to pay the taxes
then what?
How does Hollywood *( as it always wishes to be a window to push progress ) not show the end of this thought pattern
Oh Starbucks, You were soooo cute and I loved you. Ignore these meanies; they have nothing to do since the election is history. I think you are correct; the world is turned upset down.
Thank you Dirk,
I feel better not watching the new show after reading your feelings and knowing now that I am not only not alone but rather, in very good company. I’m glad that you’re calling out the moral relativism because that is what made me stop watching it in the first season. It was like the scene that ruined Full Metal Jacket for me.
A bunch of Marines agonizing over killing a female sniper that had just shot up their buddies?… I wanted to scream at the screen “NO NO NO!”
I thought for awhile about whether I wanted to respond to this little tantrum. I have a kind of appreciation for the original BSG, even with its metal Cylons, wooden acting and leaden scripts.
Glen Larson offered an amped-up Republic serial, screened through the ordure magnifier of late 1970s episodic network television, dumbed down and Lucas-ized to the point that network executives could comprehend it. Fun while it lasted, and could be ingested without any reflection or thought whatsoever (”The Lost Warrior,” anyone?). The new BSG aims at another level of storytelling and drama entirely, and it happens to use some familiar names and backstory to do so. It may or may not be great literature, but it’s as far above the original BSG as “Les Miserables” is above Batman, even if both of those involve the cost of the obsessive pursuit of justice.
Mr. Benedict may be right as he bemoans the loss of masculinity in Hollywood role models. I would hesitate to single out Starbuck and Templeton Peck as exemplars of that masculinity, however, unless the definition of masculinity were to be expanded to include “superficial and one-dimensional, but amusing and diverting for about forty minutes at a time.”
Of course, since we’re discussing subjective matters such as the quality of television dramas, Mr. Benedict is entitled to have a point of view and put it forth. I am entitled to respond as I see fit, which is to begin giving it the overlooking it deserves as soon as I have clicked on “Submit Comment.”
Although I agree with the feminization of our culture rant, give me a break Dirk. How happy go lucky would you be if almost the entire human race was obliterated in a nuclear holocaust and you forced to live in unpleasant conditions aboard a starship constantly worried about enemy attack?
The new Knight Rider series does to The Hoff’s incarnation of Michael Knight what the New Battlestar Galactica does to Dirt’s incarnation of Starbuck.
Big Hollywood is a wonderful site. It is absolutely delightful to know that a star of the original show disagrees with the relentless hype that the new, unwatchable series gets. The original was hammy schlock, but entertaining hammy schlock; the new one is yet another tedious, politically-correct soap opera of the sort that juveniles (of all ages) think sophisticated.
To read all of this blather about masculinity, I’m surprised you guys aren’t whining that women have property rights and the right to vote.
Dirk, I am an avid fan of BSG re-imagined. Realize that every good story line has already been written, anything we/they come up with from about 2000 years ago until a million years from now will just be a version of the same several stories.
And I have to ask…why are you so threatened by a slightly more masculine woman? Starbuck (or Stardoe if it makes you feel better) is a complex character with more sides to her than almost any other character on tv or otherwise. And the women on the show are not the only ones who are tough in a crisis. And give me a break, everyone is confllicted and emotional.
I will concede your point however, that feminism has taken away masculinity from men. And that is a truly painful loss. But don’t blame BSG for it. It may be the last show lieft where women are women(although they might be a little more realistic than your antiquated veiw of them) and men are men(although they might not be ridiculous neanderthals like you wish they all were).
Lastly, the true validity in your rant is that the terrorists/cylons have become victims. However, sometimes you have to deal with the devil. Didn’t Britain/USA team up with Stalin in WWII in an effort to get rid of Hitler? All BSG does is explore that angle of conflict. It’s real and valid. So remove yourself from the 70’s my friend. The world has changed.
Dirk B – a.k.a. Starbuck… you nailed it, buddy. The de-balling of men and the all-knowing, evermore masculine women…boring. Starbuck was a cool character, and Athena was hot. The new women are hot but lack humanity, no femininity. Just watch the old movies, and women had personality, great lines, great screen presence…not a lick of butch, angry, dyke to be seen! The pendulum will swing back, but for now, we have to endure the bull-dyke and vixen with a weenie thing. How sad. Real women were so much more entertaining and sexy.
Being a SF fan since birth, I think, I will always give these types of series or movies a more than fair break and watch them. Time after time, I end up shaking my head in disappointment. Not being a writer, I can only speculate about the composition of such things, but SF movies, and especially TV shows, just tend to suck!
In most books, the good writers will take time to explain the un-imaginable or develop the characters. I know the budget for SF shows would be huge if the original intent of the writer would actually be attempted. So, more often than not, they suck (and you know what I mean, don’t you?). “Cartoony” characters, stupid little robots (remember “Buck Rogers in the 25th Century?), etc. usually make up the typical cast.
While I see your points about the new BSG, I’m just happy that someone even tried to do something “deeper”. I always would watch a show like “Law & Order” and think “why can’t SF show characters have this kind of depth?” I remember how impressed I was the first time I saw “Alien”…all the previous SF movies were all so “clean” (like Star Trek…BTW, why don’t any male crew members turn and ogle “Seven of Nine” as she walks by? Come ON!!).
To me, this could be considered the first real attempt at good television SF and should be supported (with criticism included) while shows similar to “Bionic Woman” should just be given the boot (and was, I think!). It doesn’t mean that I think it’s perfect, just that the attempt to do something more than the usual TV-show thing is a good thing.
Hollywood advise from Dirk Benedict. Yup: Big Hollywood sure is cutting edge.
Zzzzzz-list is more like it.
“Women are from Venus. Men are from Mars. Hamlet does not scan as Hamletta. Nor does Hans Solo as Hans Sally. Faceman is not the same as Facewoman. Nor does a Stardoe a Starbuck make. Men hand out cigars. Women “hand out” babies. And thus the world for thousands of years has gone ’round.”
Lovin’ it. Hope we see your ‘face’ around here more often, Dirk.
Dirk. I thought that TV shows and movies were meant to entertain first, then provoke thoughts or emotion, but you’re absolutely correct that they’re now use to sell ad time and numb your senses or nads, while not offending any minority groups. Now the only womanizing, stokie puffing male character left is James Bond. Long live… Oh, wait! Damnnnnn it!!!
Well said!!!
The original was not a favorite of mine – some of the stories smelled so bad that the stinch lasted for weeks!
Dirk,
Thank you for writing this article. I have watched some of the new BSG and agree with your assessment of the “vagi****zed” portrayal of men. As a fan of A-Team and Battlestar, 007 by Sean Connery and Roger Moore, I used to be comfortable just being a man. However, if you act that way today, you are called a dinasour, misogynist, and chauvinist. Now, I believe in equality but I also believe in gender roles and identity. I believe that is OK and the way G-D intended it. The original BSG was about good and evil, survival or death, rich and poor, family and humanity. The special effects in the new BSG are interesting but most shows today rely strongly on that aspect. I wish you well and OBSG will still be the best.
Andrew
Two seasons ago, I would have told Mr. Benedict he’s crazy. I fell hook line and sinker into the series. Upon further review, he hits the nail on the head.
The series is drowning in its own moral ambiguity and ardent political correctness. Once the shock and awe story telling became the norm, the show was exposed. I’m all for strong women, but I also don’t want my intelligence insulted. Watching Kara Thrace knock out guys in the boxing ring and stand toe-to-toe with men twice her size, I realized its nothing but PC schlock.
The battle Mr. Benedict had in controlling his character, to me, makes him admirable. Too bad there isn’t more like him.
The remake fad has done nothing but exposed Hollywood’s current intelligentsia for the frauds they are. Not only are they bankrupt creatively – they can’t make anything new – they fail to capture what made those originals so appealing in the first place. Sitting through the first 15 minutes of Knight Rider, seeing Iraq war contractors portrayed as murderers and have a lesbian cop dress down and a threesome for the hero before the opening commercial expo. The writers were more interested in shoving their own morality down the audience’s throat than telling a story.
I’m all for shades of gray and interesting stories, but man, the rampant cynicism. Was everyone in Hollywood abused as children?
For once someone has the balls to stand up and speak the thruth. I too am a fan of the original show. Dirk is 100% corect!
It used to be (In the movies)that the girl would run screaming from a monster. Now, the girl beats up the monster! It is common to see 200lb. men on TV get beat up by a 110 lb. woman. The Scifi channel is the worst offender. In the show called Eurika, a woman grabs a male* by crotch and squeezes as hard as she can to get him to comply. Now, can you imagine if the rolls were reversed! *Notice I used the word male not man. In today’s world there are very few men left.
You can still see tough guys in movies and on TV, but there is always a woman who is just as tough as his side kick. The problem today is that the average guy has been castrated. He is afraid to speak out. He can’t even ask a girl he works with on a date, or risk losing his job.
All I can say to my brothers is WAKE UP! If you don’t stand up now you will be the one wearing the apron baking cookies!
What was Dirk’s last gig? Celebrity Big Brother–UK edition, right? I guess on reflection he has reason to be so bitter…
Sure, the original Battlestar Galacita wasn’t the greatest TV show in the world (that was Six Million Dollar Man), but that didn’t matter to the 8-year-old me, who along with all my friends and brother abandoned the baseball or football games we played with the last remaining strands of Sunday night sunlight to head inside to watch the show. Star Wars retread or not, what more did little boys need?
I tried to watch the “un-imagined” Battlestar, but couldn’t make it past the first three episodes, for pretty much the same reasons mentioned above, as well as why I find it harder and harder to listen to the music coming from long-time faves like Mellencamp and Springsteen: my world is not a depressing one, nor do I want to have it dictated to me that the world around me is. Offer me solutions, but offer me these alternatives and I’ll decline.
Great use of “scoundrel,” too, Mr. Benedict (and nice to see ya ’round these parts!). We knew damn well you were a weekly dose of Han Solo and we loved it. What’s also better to know some thirty years later — ugh! — is you’d still shoot first at Greedo if given the chance.
Sure, the original Battlestar Galacita wasn’t the greatest TV show in the world (that was Six Million Dollar Man), but that didn’t matter to the 8-year-old me, who along with all my friends and brother abandoned the baseball or football games we played with the last remaining strands of Sunday night sunlight to head inside to watch the show. Star Wars retread or not, what more did little boys need?
I tried to watch the “un-imagined” Battlestar, but couldn’t make it past the first three episodes, for pretty much the same reasons mentioned above, as well as why I find it harder and harder to listen to the music coming from long-time faves like Mellencamp and Springsteen: my world is not a depressing one, nor do I want to have it dictated to me that the world around me is. Offer me solutions, but offer me these alternatives and I’ll decline.
Great use of “scoundrel,” too, Mr. Benedict (and nice to see ya ’round these parts!). We knew damn well you were a weekly dose of Han Solo and we loved it. What’s also better to know some thirty years later — ugh! — is you’d still shoot first at Greedo if given the chance.
(Sorry if this a double post — damn devouring rabbit hole!!!)
Re: the Law & Order example; the point I was trying to make was that by comparison, Law & Order’s characters, even with all the PC gobbledygook, are STILL more realistic then 90% of SF show characters. BSG gets closer anyway.
That is perhaps the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time. You know what? I’m going to go out and buy the DVD of the OS, maybe not now but soon when I have money.
I have quite a crush with Starbuck, sorry to say, and my wife doesn’t understand when I try to be a cylon around the house. But the current show is one of the best on TV, despite the twisted plot last season. So hopefully someday are real Starbuck or Faceman will return, till then I’ll have a Scotch and stoogie while the current Starbuck is overtaken with emotion and imagine it’s me she cant get out of her head.
[...] Then I read this. [...]
Will we soon be reading an essay by Gil Gerard about his problems with the homo-erotic leanings of Twikki on “Buck Rogers”?
I agree with Dirk. I hate the whole, “let’s remake movie/TV/song/comic X!”. Can media just be original and tell and NEW story. I loved the old BSG. Why remake it? Can we have a NEW BSG or NEW Star Wars or NEW Star Trek, nota remake but something completely NEW. Where are the new George Lucas’? All of these remakes are blocking the new ideas/creators.
I gueess the NEW stuff has to go to the web, forget TV.
I was watching G4 the other day and they had an animated “re-image” of Space Balls?!? Space Balls!!! We’ve come to the point where we have to “re-image” SPACE BALLS!!!!
I agree with Dirk, let’s be creative and make “new stuff,” Leave to old shows and movies alone. imho
It is very simple. Times have changed … for the worse. There was a time when civility, courtesy, morality, intellectual discourse was the norm. No matter what your status, rich man or poor man, male or female, adult or child you treated people with dignity, reviled that which was immoral and sought to speak with your highest intellectual capability.
Now, we not only behave badly, but we teach our children to think, behave and communicate at the lowest common denominator. Everyone is more interested in themselves than others. Nothing is immoral and even if it is, give it ten years and it won’t be. And as for discussions about such issues, it is useless. Any discussion must have common ground, and younger adults and children know nothing of the period shortly after the turn of the century (1900). And when we do speak, it is with less than 8th grade grammar and vocabulary.
In 1900, it would not be uncommon for a man of 8th grade education, working on a farm or garbage collecting in a big city, to open the door for a lady, call her ma’am and converse with her using words which today would only be found in Collegiate level spelling books.
It is no wonder, that even the old TV shows are un-imagined to fit the new paradigm.
I must agree, I got just shy of sick watching the Premiere of “Battlestar Galactica” on Sci-Fi a couple years back. Nothing but a Femi-Nazi political hack job that reeked of political points over plot.
At least the original was as shamelessly fun as smoking cigars and womanizing! Even if it was more closely a Saturday Morning cartoon than sci-fi epic. On the sci-fi fan side, the original series was always remembered fondly. Big ships and sleek star fighters that weren’t Star Wars have been a part of the science fiction gaming community for decades.
One final lasting impression the ORIGINAL Battlestar series had; the F-16 Fighting Falcon is never actually called Falcon by its pilots, aircrews, or any active duty USAF personnel except in official documents. The proper title for an F-16 un-officially (and therefore 90% of the time!) is VIPER… In honor of the impression that Vipers in the series had on USAF fighter pilots… Mr. Benedict, you played your character too real, every fighter pilot was like that back then!
Point well taken.
I was watching Predator with a buddy a few weeks ago and we got to wondering where all the real men went. Even if the movies were over-the-top and unrealistic, at least we had heroes who’d grab the BS by the horns and do something manly to take care of a problem. Now, where are the Stallones, the Bruce Willises, the Swartzeneggers, the Mel Gibsons? Nowhere to be found. Todays heroes think it’s manly to protest and file lawsuits. Even Superman is a weenie who’d now be dead if it wasn’t for Lois Lane coming to his rescue.
Hollywood is consumed with metrosexual pussies. The toughest current guys we could come up with in our nostalgic game were Samuel Jackson and Will Smith. I like them, but they’re hardly Swartzenegger. Heck, they’re not even Chuck Norris.
Thanks Dirk for the essay. The old show brings back fond memories as much as the new show feels like nails on a chalkboard. The trouble with SciFi is the need to include sex to spruce up the show – hot cylons? Check. Someone wanted teenage boys to have enough fantasy material for a week. Dr Who has also fallen into this trap, and at times it makes the show a midday soap opera than scifi.
Strong female characters have their place in scifi, but the new BSG had to make it their cause. I wonder if any of the male characters would be considered strong.
The new show has ambiguous heroes and villains. They twist the formula around so it was really kewl. That’s sarcasm for those who don’t know it. It makes for a grey show that gets you wondering if you can root for one side if there is a “side”. I have come to the opinion that the new show needs to frak the entire universe as the characters mean less and less with each episode. The old BSG was lighthearted, and the new series has torture, rape and suicide. They just don’t compare except in name alone.
Thank you, thank you, thank you Dirk! I can’t stand the new Battlestar Gallactica. They could have done SO MUCH more with the series, but they blew it, and it is just so freaking politically correct it makes me sick!
Maybe the human race got it’s ass kicked by the Cylons because the men had turned into a bunch of sissymarys, and the woman are all butch!
YOWCH!
Overheard in Hollywierd: “REAL Starbuck sank my Battlestar!”
I was willing to tolerate this little (insert euphemism for illegitimate male child) of a show until last season.
Now it’s pure soap opera schlock. I don’t even bother to read the episode summaries now.
The real Galactica was fine wine.
The rip-off is “Cheez” in a can.
Same as the difference between real American and soon-to-open theme park ObamaLand, actually.
Excellent essay, Starbuck. Heck, they even turned Boomer into a girl. There are so many women on the show that they couldn’t fit Cassiopeia in anywhere, and had to recycle Boomer into Athena.
I do not enjoy watching the new Battlestar Galactica. After seeing Callie get blown out the airlock and seeing Dualla shoot herself in the head like that, I dread having to watch the next episode. But frak, I have to find out what happens. And that keeps me watching.
This is a different story. For better or worse, this is a different story.
At least we haven’t seen the fraking “Ship of Lights” yet. That kinda pissed me off in the original series.
The original was fun, and the new one is a different animal, but it’s also one of the best dramas on television. I guess he views Richard Hatch as a traitor for joining the cast?
Right on, Dirk my man. I loved the original series, even if it was campy (but as bleak as the new one is, I sure found your Baltar a helluva lot scarier than the current Nancy-boy. We miss you John Colicos!) And of course original Starbuck was awesome. Jeez, it’s not like he was groping women inappropriately. Just a friendly, flirtatious giy smoking cigars. Basically Arnold before he was Arnold. My friends are into the new BG and both made me watch episodes of it, and it bored me. It is meandering and nihilist. But you really encapsulated why I hate the new show, I just couldn’t put my finger on it until now.
Don’t get me wrong, I do like staring at Grace Park and the blondes, but I’d prefer that a male Starbuck was chasing them around the station, not being emasculated out of the show. I saw Richard Hatch on the show once (again, forced to watch), and I perked up, now you are talking! Benedict must be next! But no, now I see why no Benedict. Your cheerful, masculine approach 1s so 1978. Sadly. I think I shall have a cigar in Old Starbuck’s honor.
Hasn’t this essay been out for a while? Could have sworn I read it a few years ago.
Anyway, I loved the original series when I was a kid. Bought the DVDs, usually watch the series through about every 7 or 8 months, I’d guess. I keep meaning to count how many times the series showed the Vipers being launched, but I always forget. And the acting was kind of hokey, but forgivable given the time and the target audience.
I’ll watch the new series, when I’m in the mood. But, where the original series showed that humanity could remain noble and good in the face of adversity, the new series shows the opposite. I’m usually not in the mood for that. If I want to watch about how much humanity sucks, I’ll watch the news.
As far as the new “Starbuck” character goes, I generally like the Kara Thrace character. But she’s not Starbuck. (and Boomer, who I always thought was the most professional and dependable of the Viper pilots, as a Cylon? what’s next, introducing Michael Clarke Duncan as Sheba? that would seem to fit the “reimagining.”)
Would’ve been nice to see Mr. Benedict reprise Fred Astaire’s role as Chameleon, though.
The new Battlestar Galactica is grim
I watched the original series and liked the action and inter action among the characters. I also liked all the pretty women on the show. None looked liked a biker chick
Mr. Benedict is right. Dammit. It is true the series is oft times protracted punctuated by boredom, it is bleak, and it is dismal. And I am hooked. I have been since season one, and now I can not quit, not now. When it is gone, I will be immensely relieved and probably disappointed since I don’t expect the show to end in any kind of upbeat fashion. So, bring on the finale, the denouement and end this drudgery.
Then again the end may have been rewritten since the “messiah” is about to ascend thee cherry blossom throne.
Dirk is right! The show is entertaining because the cast is fraking excellent. I colloquially call this show EMOstar Galactica now sense the dark and despair seem to have taken over. What bugs me and probably Dirk too is that human nature just isn’t like that. Look at the folk who crashed into the Hudson. A plane crash is probably the one time you can be assured you can kiss your butt goodbye, and these folks came together and got them selves out of that plan with out one bit of panic.
The one character on the new BSG that is truly a mans man is Helo and I hope Tahmoh Penikett gets more rolls in this mold. Adama does to some extent but gets all weepy ever other scene…
I don’t think it is fair to compare the two BSG series. No more than one could compare the TV Batman series to the movies. Sure they share a name and basic plot, but that is where is ends — both are entertaining, but in different ways. The original BSG was more akin to reading a good comic book — it was in its own way, campy — sort of like Stargate. The current BSG is more of a sci-fi opera or Shakespearean tragedy. At its core, BSG II tackles the question of the need for sentient beings to have spirituality in order to maintain a balance, given knowledge of it’s own demise. Sure, BSG II is dark, sinister at times and morally ambiguous. Then again, so was Hamlet and MacBeth!
I have fond memories of the original series — even if it doesn’t live up to the memories, it far surpasses the new piece of dreck, and utterly blows away Star Wars I, II, and III. I tried watching the new series, and gave up in about twenty minutes. They couldn’t hold the damned camera still: it wasn’t even an action sequence, it was two people SEATED HAVING A CONVERSATION. The other bits I’ve seen of it have shown it to be dreary, plodding, and BORING.
Faceman, you are the Ace ,man.
You said it Dirk, couldn’t agree more!
What makes it worse, is men have given up and given in. So many men today actually think their masculinity is a problem!?
Very few stand there ground, like me, yes… you can be a good man and still hold keep your masculinity.
Glad you are too Dirk, loved Battlestar Galactica, and the A-Team!!
I am woman. I have no gonads. I watched the original show, both when it aired, and in syndication. I LOVED Starbuck. I refuse to watch the “new” Battlestar Galactica when I found out they made Starbuck a woman. I yelled at the screen “STARBUCK IS A DUDE!!! He’s my cigar chomping womanizing man!NOT a woman!”
I have no interest in watching this show, ever, even if it DOES have Lucy Lawless in it.
[...] And it happens to be the star of the old one. [...]
Sorry, Mr. Benedict, but you’re all wet on this. Sounds like bitterness, bile, and myopia have combined to make you miss out on the best SF on television – period.
The few loudmouths who declaim that the plastic fakery of the “Cowboy Planet”-type scripts of the ’70s were superior to the new BSG are hilarious. They’ve not watched the 4 years of Hugo nominated episodes (compared to the 17 episodes of schlock they remember from their childhood). They, like you, have no idea what the storyline actually is.
They can’t help but high-five their man-crush from childhood while denigrating a superbly written, satisfying, and quality show like BSG because, well, no Cowboy Planet – no watchee. They don’t know (as you don’t) the countless homages to the original series – in spirit and in detail. They (and you) have missed the stories that focussed on honor, sactifice, duty, responsibility, the fog of war, how dangerous false equivalences are, what slavery means, how a people in war can find themselves in situations that peacetime cannot and should not attempt to pass judgement upon — for just a few themes.
Which you have not seen.
Your character was wholely appreciated by Katee Sackhoff and was continually the core of how she played the character. There is a ton more Dirk Benedict in the new BSG than you ever appreciated, and your post is a shameful, insulting, and petty thing.
Get the series on DVD (over four times as long as the original), grab a pizza and some brews, and take a long weekend to watch the whole thing from ‘33′ on to the last. You owe it to those people that put more care and appreciation of your character in their version of BSG than you have given them credit for.
HANS Solo?? Really? Please tell me that was a typo!
I am getting SO SO tired of the gender politics in every single piece of media that comes out of Hollywood. Especially this long suffering “Reverse John Wayne” syndrome, where woman is man and man is woman. Every one knows what I am talking about. Five foot two, 95 pound models who are ultra intelligent, excellent leaders, nuclear scientists and can take John Wayne and the Rhino Arnold with one thong tied behind their size 3 backs… Their husbands, boyfriends, colleagues are all effeminate men, fat men, idiots, or gay, confused, hand-wringing and completely unassertive and terrified of acting like a man.
1. Case and Point 1 – Apple guy gets owned by supermodel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlhswOVhFz8 from Die Hard 4
2. McClain gets beaten up bad by the Victoria Secret Model but finally decides to “Do Something About it”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfm7v4XpDEQ&feature=related Starts at 3:42 until about 4:50. Now THATS politically incorrect but of course it doesn’t last…the Waife-a-natrix is too tough for McClain. Sad.
3 I can’t stand the piece of organized matter and chemistry known as “Bill Maher” however I still find MOST but not all of this clip funny and completely politically incorrect…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4iHCfuRWIQ
4. Even “Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America” are getting in on bashing the masculine mystic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XgPsW82nr8&feature=related “Outmoded displays of masculinity…har har”
5. Marlon Brando gives particular inspiration for us all. What we need more of dammit!…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oof60kDFqAc
I used to have a sense of humor about this, but the onslaught is too much now,… plus I have kids.
Someone really needs to do a topic on the gender politic from Hollywood. I’m tired of this crap.
Call me Patriarchal…Militant Feminists….F-you!
Just woke up.. read your missive. I see I haven’t missed anything lately.. nighters..
Geez… Uh, Dirk, the Original show you were part of would never even get of the ground today. It’s a different world, buddy. I suggest you get caught up, already! Sounds like Dirk is just pi**ed that his name is not associated with the best show that ever graced our TV screens! Now, crawl back into your obscurity.
Well said, Mr. Benedict. The posts that are commenting on the quality of the original series as opposed to the reimagining are missing the overall point. Sure, even the robot Cylons have more mobility and personality than the Stormtroppoer-esque ones in the original series, but, is it worth the price that they now all get together for an evening of Cosmos, trying on Manolos and listening to Number Six’s own personal Mr. Big, Gaius Baltar? [One of the only characters in the new version that is very unapologetic for his maleness, but even he is haunted by images of a supermodel who lives inside his head and guides his decisionmaking.]
I am getting SO SO tired of the gender politics in every single piece of media that comes out of Hollywood. Especially this long suffering “Reverse John Wayne” syndrome, where woman is man and man is woman. Every one knows what I am talking about. Five foot two, 95 pound models who are ultra intelligent, excellent leaders, nuclear scientists and can take John Wayne and the Rino Arnold with one thong tied behind their size 3 backs… Their husbands, boyfriends, colleagues are all effeminate men, Hair gel and Botox men, fat men, idiots, or confused, hand-wringing and completely unassertive and terrified of acting like a man. Apparently even the future and science fiction has been stricken with this horrific politically correct cancer.
1. Case and Point 1 – Apple guy gets owned by supermodel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlhswOVhFz8 from Die Hard 4
2. McClain gets beaten up bad by the Victoria Secret Model but finally decides to “Do Something About it”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfm7v4XpDEQ&feature=related Starts at 3:42 until about 4:50. Now THATS politically incorrect but of course it doesn’t last…the Waife-a-natrix is too tough for McClain. Sad.
3 I can’t stand the piece of organized matter and chemistry known as “Bill Maher” however I still find MOST but not all of this clip funny and completely politically incorrect…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4iHCfuRWIQ
4. Even “Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America” are getting in on bashing the masculine mystic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XgPsW82nr8&feature=related “Outmoded displays of masculinity…har har”
5. Marlon Brando gives particular inspiration for us all. What we need more of dammit!…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oof60kDFqAc
I used to have a sense of humor about this, but the onslaught is too much now,… plus I have kids.
Someone really needs to do a topic on the gender politic from Hollywood. I’m tired of this crap.
Call me Patriarchal
StarBuck,
You are 100 percent right on target. Frack all the nay sayers. All the men that are posting on this site are a bunch of fag*ots if they disagree with you and all the women are just wanting to be men cause they have penis envy. Metrosexuals are just Homos who have not come out of the closet yet. So light that Cigar and pour that Cognac and things will come full circle someday. Meanwhile we have to suffer these idiots and halfmen.. God Bless you Dirk. We miss you on T.V.
This comment thread seems to be infested with the parasitical nerd-fans of the current BSG series.
You guys should go elsewhere – one of the legions of forums perhaps – to find sanctuary among fellow navel-gazers. Big Hollywood isn’t your speed.
As for your beloved series, the new BSG is a bunch of new age stereotypes slapped together with a healthy dose of self-loathing/moral relativism and repetitive/unimaginative CGI. You know this deep down, otherwise you wouldn’t be resorting to cheap ad hominem attacks on Dirk.
The fact is, Dirk here could walk down any street of my home city of Sydney, and be recognised as Starbuck (the real Starbuck) within seconds. This is because he made the character an international household name.
Your girl – Stardoe – would go completely unnoticed, as she tends to do on the screen.
193 comments (and counting) in just one day. Dirk, you must have hit a nerve!
I used to watch BSG, and it was fun. The new version is nothing short of pathological. You hit the nail on the head on all your criticisms. And the trolls cry “bitter?” But then trolls always have such weak arguments.
Well done.
If you’re going to twist a classic show into something as boring and awful as the new one is, why not just come up with a new idea and new show, they ruined a classic with a dodgy remake.. seems to be happening a lot lately..
I watch TV shows to either escape reality or poke fun at it (e.g. for entertainment). Never cared for the new BSG and Mr Benedict is a wonderfully entertaining actor. Hope you write more articles.
The biggest difference between the Battlestar of old and the new version is that the old version was written for children and the new one is made for adults.
Nothing against Dirk, but I simply disagree, the new Battlstar is one of the best things on television, with some of the most intense life and death drama, strong, complex characters.
Regarding the original version, does it really make sense that after your planet has been destroyed, all of your family and friends incinerated, and millions of people killed a character like Starbuck would run around cracking jokes, flirting with chicks and playing the shallow pretty boy? The new verios simply makes more sense, hence its ability to last through five seasons.
The original was 1970s cute and silly, the new version might just be the baddest-a** show on television today.
Robot on Lost in Space could act circles around you.
First, they are two different shows. Both have their merits. But frankly, you’ve missed the point of the series entirely. That’s OK, you have your opinions, and clearly alot of people have their own, and honestly, I don’t care what the “Suits” say. The new BSG is excellent, your show was OK.
I watched every episode a hundred times in syndication. But it had little depth. You compare the show to Charlies Angels and a number of others. Sadly, the sophistication of the shows you compared it to shows where your mind really is. Starbuck was a rogue alright, and had been played and portrayed a million times by then. The moral basis of he show was fine … if you were into Mormon mythology.
Honestly Dirk, this reads far more like sour grapes. Is it so sad to you that Richard Hatch has a role on it and you don’t, that you have to come spit on the show publicly.
I take it in your old-fashioned morality, you never learned “If you don’t have anything nice to say, it’s better not to say anything at all”?
This is what happens when fa##ots and feminists take control of a show that used to be good.
BTW, Tom Paine, I agree Babylon 5 was the best scifi series of all time. Nothing beats the climactic show between the Vorlons, the Shadows and the human-led Alliance. Classic show, great depth, best writing.
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Tina Louise had to have the dots connected for her that, from the title alone, Gilligan’s Island wasn’t her show. When it’s the unrepentant frat-boy who needs to hear the show isn’t his, he’ll hold out for 30 years and counting.
“The war against masculinity has been won” because there was no there there. All the masculinity, as Mr Benedict refers to it, had to retaliate with was a fantasy only he benefited from, and his supporters only experienced vicariously. All of his complaints about the current version of BSG are complaints of fictional characters with plausible agendas interacting with other fictional characters with plausible agendas. It’s a war declared against competence in dramatic portrayal.
Dude. Take a pill.
I can’t believe people are defending the new BSG. It’s humorless, pointless soap opera, with all the interesting elements of the original removed to squeeze in extra T’n'A. Claiming it’s deep and nuanced shows how far the wit and imagination of the public have been coarsened and dulled by decades of progressively more banal programming. And I speak as one who survived the disco era.
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Wait…so Faceman from the A-Team is delivering a lecture on artistic purity?
[...] Sheesh man, this whining is so emasculating! There was a time, I know I was there, when men were men, women were women and sometimes a cigar was just a good smoke. But 40 years of feminism have taken their toll. The war against masculinity has been won. Everything has turned into its opposite, so that what was once flirting and smoking is now sexual harassment and criminal. And everyone is more lonely and miserable as a result. … “Re-imagining”, they call it. “Un-imagining” is more accurate. To take what once was and twist it into what never was intended. So that a television show based on hope, spiritual faith and family is un-imagined and regurgitated as a show of despair, sexual violence and family dysfunction. To better reflect the times of ambiguous morality in which we live, one would assume. A show in which the aliens (Cylons) are justified in their desire to destroy human civilization, one would assume. Indeed, let us not say who the good guys are and who the bad are. That is being “judgmental,” taking sides, and that kind of (simplistic) thinking went out with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and Kathryn Hepburn and John Wayne and, well, the original “Battlestar Galactica.” [...]
Dirk, than you for playing two of the characters that, as far is Mom was concerned, utterly ruined me from elementary school onward.
I’m sorry you dislike the new BSG. The old BSG was Universal’s attempt to cash in quick and dirty on “Star Wars” despite Glenn Larson wanting to make a quality product. Universal helped shaft the new BSG a couple times too. But comparing the original series to the new series is comparing two very different things.
Hell, the military has changed a lot in the time I’ve been in (1991 to now). There are tons of female fighter pilots, and females have even been in the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels. The Starbuck character has gone from being an action/comic relief guy to being an axle the whole plot turns on. It’s a whole new world.
But you are right about the gender politics issue, I just don’t think it applies in this particular case. See ya at a con sometime.
I remember the original BSG. Shirley Jones was phenomenal as “Mom.” All the girls loved Starbuck, who wore a pooka-bead necklace and a large Goodie comb in the back pocket of his chick Jeans (Dittos, I think). The best part of the show was when the cast would perform a song at the end, with Danny on bass and Starbuck on tambourine.
Let’s have a peek at IMDb, shall we?
Wow, six whole acting jobs in over ten years! And look, one of them was voicing Starbuck in a BSG video game! The rest are straight to DVD shot-on-video movies or obscure TV bit parts.
You are a washed up former star, baffled by your vanished fame, and angry at the world for daring to move on, and at the TV industry for daring to become more complex and ambiguous.
Fade away gracefully, Dirk. Don’t turn yourself into a joke.
DIRK! My main man….I agree and disagree, with your article, respectfully.
First off, I loved the old show. Now, I love the new show! But, I can’t recommend the new Battlestar to people who loved the original, mainly because, its got nothing to do with the original show! I tell them ” throw that out and start new because you’ll get angry!” Purists are often like that. I would recommend the old show to any child who loves escape and adventure because thats what the old show captured perfectly. The new show is our world NOW, just in space. That’s what Science fiction does best.
What you wrote, however, was very well thought out point made out about the state of entertainment and ’sheep-le’ as a whole, and ironically my cousin and I were speaking of the same thing, how back in the day, the ‘bad guys’ and ‘good guys’ were visually identifiable (bad guys were either bikers who punched babies/women, arabs who hated america & jews, or native american’s who scalped the white man and pillaged towns). These days the bad guys & good guys both wear suits, are always in the background, and never doing the dirty themselves, only reaping the benefits. This is the same for the new Battlestar Galactica, the humans are on the run, but vicious when it comes to exacting justice on a captured ‘humaniod’ cylon. At one point they became their own version of “Al Qaida” and Commander Thigh even justified becoming a suicide bomber whilst wearing an eye patch and running and underground resistance / terrorist organization UNDERGROUND! All this because of one simple fact; the world isn’t black and white anymore, its gray.
Now I grew up on the original Battlestar Galactica as a child and loved it. When they re-run the show I watched it, and also grew up on watching A-Team as well, so Mr. Benedict, you’ve been (at least visually) an example as to how the ‘rogue’ looks, acts, walks and talks, in space, and on Earth! So reading your ‘attack’ on Hollywood and the new Battlestar is quite enlightening and also thought provoking.
Yes, I agree that the hollywood suits only care about branding, re-branding, and repackaging everything, and how the men are stupid, confused, immoral and violent while the women are the enlightened, smart, sophisticated, intelligent & the caring one out of the couple (look at every sitcom out there from Simpsons to According to Jim), but in the new Battlestar Galactica the women are all of that, as well as a few other things; they’re also bloodthirsty, violent, manipulative, and conniving. All the things that made “Lady Macbeth” a great character. So is this the world that we have come into in the last thirty years? Is this how we portray ourselves on film as a society? From “bad cylons” & “Good Colonials” to Colonials & Cylon hybrids starting a family in the middle of shooting nuclear missles at a basestar because its better for the fleet to destroy a ship of thousands to save a 60000 survivors? Like I said, the world is a Gray one at best, and its going to take something huge for us to see the world in simple black and white again.
My friends have best summed up the new BG thusly: Watching a terminal lung cancer patient chain smoke themselves to death.
Mr. Benedict:
I’m sorry you feel the way you do about the new BSG. I lost interest after the mini-series…yeah, there were mentions and throwbacks to the original, but this new BSG isn’t “your” BSG. Change, it seems, is the only constant in this universe. It happens without our permission so some half-brained dimwit can make more money off his or her “re-invention” of the franchise, and shaft the real fans (and original stars) in the process.
Whether we like it or not, Hollywood isn’t the same thing it was 30+ years ago. They haven’t had an original idea since the A-Team folded, so they’ve decided to rape our collective childhoods with one “re-imagined” series or movie after another. So what if the real fans hate their “re-imagined” visions? Money speaks louder than anything else, so our screams of “IT’S NOT THE REAL THING” get drowned out in the ringing of the cash registers.
Take this for what it’s worth, sir. This is the 21st Century…Hollywood can and will do what it pleases, despite our clamoring for the good old days.
Your fan:
Doug Graham
Faceman,
Mellow out, guy. Dramatic TV is a commercial medium- translation: it’s a product created to make money. Yeah, there are a lot of idiots at the studios and networks that have somehow gotten in a position to make decisions, so there is a lot of junk out there. But, this has always been true, as you must know, after your long career. Do you really think “The A-Team” had any more artistic integrity than “House” or “Heroes”?
The output of every artistic medium is 90% junk. Let’s just be thankful, given how expensive dramatic TV is to produce, for the few good ones that manage to break through.
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And so, Dirk Benedict sits in a rocking chair on his porch waiving his cane at “those damn kids” with their “rap music”.
Seriously? Talk about sour grapes piled on sour grapes served with a side of sour grapes followed with a desert of an over the hill has been preening about how awesome he was in overly stylized hair and a cape. The original BSG was a glorified STAR WARS wannabe drowning in stale cheese. The only real worthwhile contribution this moldy series made to the world was the footage of its space ships being used in the movie MUTINY IN SPACE—which then went on to be used in one of the greatest episodes of MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 3000 ever. At least BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS had Sybil Danning in a funky space bikini and John Saxon traveling to planet after planet harvesting the body parts of their populations.
The new version of Battlestar Galactica is not for everyone, but it is still a show made for adults. Treating the subject of the near annihilation of the human race with the seriousness it deserves. The original is a children’s show made for the type of kid who goes gaga over POKEMON.
Seriously. If people are going to complain about terrible re-makes why don’t they turn their ire towards that FLASH GORDON remake?
Dirk, you voted for Bush, didn’t you? The story, as you may recall, is about people whose planet has been destroyed. Yes, they are all very screwed up. I would be too. Without this character-driven aspect of the series, you’d really just be left with a kids show–Like the original was.
Also, I seem to recall that you appeared in a SciFi promo of the new series with Katee Sackhoff, the new Starbuck. The scene was filmed in a Starbuck’s coffee shop if I remember correctly (how clever). How much did SciFi have to pay you before you were willing to betray such strongly held “values” on national TV?
I was in Elementary School when the show came on, and even then I thought the show was “corny as hell”. Your Character, “Starbuck” was obviously a TV version of “Luke Skywalker”, and had he, Starbuck, been less “charming” as you would say it, kids like me (back then) would have stuck around to watch the show. Most of the time I thought Starbuck was gay and over-compensating, because that’s what my older sister told me. However, I do agree with your point that things have gotten incredibly “PC” and lacking in any originality. So if you want the real, “cola or hambuger” – watch “Star Wars” and not “Battlestar Galactica”- you’re absolutely right, Dirk.
I really enjoy the new show and think it is well acted. The moral relativism is there, as he stated, but I feel at least both sides get to air credible arguments for their actions. He is right about it being dark, at least so far. And all the women are strong and decisive while the men are confused and conflicted. I have friends that wouldn’t watch this when they found out Starbuck would be female. Some tried but got tired of the “actionless” soap opera. I never cared about the gender change, but it never occurred to me to wonder why either. I think Dirk nailed it.
One of my favorite shows as a boy was Battlestar Galactica. It ignited the imagination and was uplifting.
GAAAWD make it stop already. I grew up with it to, as a boy I enjoyed watching it. I’m not older and can realized what silly tripe it really was. Its called maturing. Versus, ya know, the crowd here that currently falls asleep at night fantasizing about being Jack Bauer, then waking up to spew non-sensical comparisons of an absurd fictional character to real life people in order to make a political point.
Thanks for the chuckles.
Mr. Benedict is quite correct, and echoing what Bill Willingham, Chuck Dixon, and others in Mr. Willingham’s post on what is wrong with comics today noted:
1. The current crop of cliches of grim-n-gritty (Battlestar Galactica, Heroes, Buffy, Lost, 24, etc), morally ambiguous, depressing, predictable, and boring stories are forty years old (dating around 1968 or so). They are the same length as the Jazz Age to the Age of Aquarius. Imagine if culture had remained the SAME from 1928 to 1968!
The current Battlestar Galactica is predictable. Take the most grim and depressing and morally ambiguous storyline and it’s the conclusion of the episode (or arc). BORING!
2. The current stories (comics, TV, movies) are not related to human nature. Unrealistic storylines (Chuck Dixon’s words about smart characters suddenly being stupid come to mind) in human behavior make the point or sermon the author wants to make — one filled with PC and Multiculturalism, itself the boring dead dogma of forty years ago.
3. There is no fun or imagination, TV has become (with few exceptions) a depress-fest that most people turn off.
I saw both the original and the remake. The latter has superior effects, budget, no robot dogs, adorable tykes, bad disco music, and technically superb actors (Olmos, Sackhoff, etc.) The remake is nevertheless unwatchable while the far inferior original in terms of budget, music, effects etc. holds up well today.
In slight disagreement with Mr. Benedict, the main problem is the WRITERS. THEY are the ones who peddle this boring, preachy, forty-years old junk. Execs will always be weasels. It’s expected and natural. WRITERS on the other hand ought to be writing something other than the religious dogma of forty years in the making. Something reflective of innate human nature. Stories that are fun and draw people in with adventure, humor, excitement.
Two things stand to mind: Hancock’s ludicrous plotline where the wife was really married to Hancock and in love with the guy but somehow the husband stays with her? Not human nature. Not even remotely human nature (though it certainly puts Hollywood’s status pecking order in perspective). That’s BAD writing.
Second, “the Mentalist’s” casual jokes based on character echo the sort of amusing and light writing that characterized “Columbo” and “McCloud” during the 1970s. That’s GOOD writing.
I can see that Dirk has a problem with letting go. Must be why he talks about it all the time. It ain\’t my job to pass out babies. He ain\’t my boss. Must be why he could never keep a woman. He gets models and then wants them to give it all up for him. (Yeah, that\’s his ex) and offer her little in return except his idea of what a woman\’s destinty is.
Anyone who doesn\’t think women can be aggressive and strong like a man needs to visit a woman\’s prison.
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Agree with you 100% Dirk.
There have only been a few characters on the new series that seem to even be human beings. They have so many flaws that appear to be there to drive drama and conflict rather than be part of them. Cheap, easy way to write stories.
Sure there is some good writing and acting, but the new show should have been called Battlestar Dysfunctia.
the only war against masculinity I ever saw was in men\’s heads. They seem to think that giving any rights to anybody else takes away from them. (the same way men get jealous of new babies)
Cramps and PMS? as a woman, I\’ve never had them ever.
and anyone who thinks women can\’t be as aggresive as men need to visit a woman\’s prison.
Dirk, did you hear about the G.I. Joe movie coming out? The original plan was to re-imagine them into an “international force based in Brussels.” I guess being a real-American hero doesn’t sell well overseas.
Dirk, my friend…
I hear what you’re saying and understand your frustration over how things went. However, in my opinion, while the original show was a staple of my childhood and gave me many fond memories (not to mention many happy hours spent in the playground pretending to be the same person you pretended to be), the new show is flat out one of the best character driven dramas I have ever seen. It’s a shame that you can’t see past your own grievances to give Ron Moore and company the dues they deserve. I’ll assume you haven’t kept up with the series and let you know that your Viper flying buddy, Mr. Richard Hatch, gives a consistently FREAKING PHENOMENAL performance as Tom Zarek, way beyond anything he did in the original. The only sadness I have in regards to the way things went down was that we never got to see you become a part of it, which is something I assure you every single one of us who used to own a lunchbox with your face on it were hoping would happen.
As someone who was put out when I first heard Starbuck was a woman in the new series, I still don’t really agree with this assessment. The new BSG doesn’t seem (to me) to be a statement about feminism but rather that women, given the opportunity, can be just as aggressive, angry and sexual as men. The world isn’t the same place now as it was when the original “Battlestar” was aired so it doesn’t make sense to produce the same show. And in this show we still have a shameless womanizer, only this time it’s Baltar; and the repercussions of his libido are devastating. I think the writers of the new show took everything from the original into account; they just made the newer version quite a bit more thoughtful and mature.
Good to hear from you though Dirk. You always were my favorite from the original series.
Looks like they are doing something right with this show, it has been on for 4+ seasons.
Dead on target Dirk. I was disgusted with the Starbuck sex-change the moment I learned of it. Granted, I’m biased, Starbuck was my favorite character. I watched the new show and honestly tried to like it. I just can’t. It’s an emo soap-opera that sells itself on CGI, teen-angst story lines, and Seven-of-Nine grade “sex sells” gimmicks.
Don’t get me wrong, the show has some talented cast members, and I’d gladly hop in the sack with Katie or Tricia at a moments notice, but that’s not enough to interest me in this dystopian melodrama.
I could write an extensive rant on all the things I despise about it, but what’s the point? It does manage to sell (and probably very well amongst the mouth-breather crowd), and sold it has. I’m simply not buying.
You, Dirk, were the one true Starbuck. Your Battlestar was the true Battlestar.
I refuse to even call the new show by the name. Instead, amonsgt my friends and family, I call it something to the effect of “that show formerly known as Battlestar.”
Loved you in “Sssssss,” but it’s about time you accepted that the age of the Baby Boomer is over.
Dear Mr. Benedict,
Thank you a wonderful essay and some wonderful memories from my early adolescence. BSG was a favorite program of mine and I still remember sighing wistfully over your photo spread in one of the teen mags (Tiger Beat?). Although it occurs to me now that perhaps I should blame you for my penchant for “men who are men”!
Regards,
DB
Several years ago, when different versions of a remastered BSG were competing to see which would get on the air, I had a very nice conversation with Mr. Benedict’s co-star on the original, Richard Hatch, who was involved with one of those versions: the one which would have more closely resembled the original, the one that eventually didn’t get on the air.
I told him straight out that I didn’t care very much for the original series: though I enjoyed the music and the basic premise, the whole thing was far too campy and kitschy even for the late seventies/early eighties. It was, in fact, a truly horrid show with an even more horrid sequel (Galactica 80). But he was very pleasant and respected my views because there was nothing personal about my criticisms, and I wished him luck with his project and was happy to see that he would be a part (and a very good part) of the series that made it on the air. He, at least, was classy enough to know a good thing when he saw it, or at the very least, he found a way to keep working.
I think sometimes people need to step back and realize that fiction is fiction and reality is reality. When all of your heroes are fictional ones, when your ideas of “moral clarity” come from campy TV series that did nothing more than exploit the fad of the times, or from cowboy actors who advocated war but who somehow managed to avoid actual combat, well, I’d say you need a little help distinguishing the one from the other.
For those who don’t think that Dirk is on to something real…
Why are the female cylons sex-bots and the male cylons… not?
I never got into the show but my husband is a fan, so it’s on. I see the cylons and it’s downright stark. The women are hyper-sexy. The male cylon models are not. Now, if you were going to give yourself a human looking body, wouldn’t you chose an impressive specimen? (Maybe one of the male models is slightly more attractive than average but a couple of them are old and ugly. Where is the old ugly female cylon?)
Someone made those casting choices.
Having sex-bots kick butt is not female empowerment. (I’ve got no problem at all with a woman that excels in the cock-pit of a fighter.)
I don’t watch closely enough to see how the men are portrayed on the new BG, but on television and movies in general they are usually portrayed as idiots and jerks, and if they’re “good” men, they’re wussified.
Anyone who doesn’t think that is real, doesn’t pay attention.
God how pathetic is the whine the comes from a conservative actor who can’t get a job or even a cameo. Apollo got a role! Recurring! Starbuck gets dick!
BSG 2.0 is God’s Program. It is as real as you will ever get on basic cable. The chaos, distress, and horror of such a vast disaster of epic scale would have made old Lorne Greene crap his black tunic. And finally, robots that don’t announce everything they are doing. Centurions, attack!
And if you don’t have what it takes to take on a lady Starbuck, you should just stay home with your old stack of Blue Boys, Dynamites and Playgirls because you just can’t hack it. WWII showed women could do flight combat.
It is funny that I should find this linked to from Ace of Spades because I’ve spent the last few days watching some of the original Battlestar Galactica episodes on Netflix.
There are many things about the new show that do smack of leftist nihilism and ethical collapse. I get so angry when I see the humans and the cylons working together, as they have been for the past few episodes. The cylons murdered billions of people, and now the colonials are playing footsie with them, marrying them, and generally acting like complete leftist appeasers towards the very beings who destroyed everything they knew and loved. Those aspects of the show are pathetic and indicative of a subculture in the US that is a cancerous lesion upon our society and nation. Leftists just plain suck full stop.
That being said, there are aspects of the show that are good. Unlike the original show, in which characters were simplistic and one-dimensional, the characters on the new show are much more complex. There is never any doubt who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Baltar is bad not because he is evil, but because he is weak and ultimately cares for no one and nothing but himself. That is a moral lesson that should not be overlooked. The good guys are still good, but unlike the original show, they have to work at it. Fighting and struggling in the darkness to hold on to life and hope is not easy. Our heroes continue to fight the good fight and to do what is right, or at least what they think is right at the time. Keeping a hold on their values and not giving up takes its toll upon them. If only one of those values was not fraternizing with the enemy.
Where the show falls apart is that the bad guys never seem to get what is coming to them while the good guys lose people every season.
I’m not sure what to say about the reworking of Starbuck. Being a normal heterosexual male, I like seeing hot blonde chicks with a healthy libido who are a little crazy more than I like seeing suave handsome guys who get all the girls. When I hit the bars I tend to look for the new Starbuck and hope that the old Starbuck stays at home that night. Katee Sackhoff is seriously HOT, especially now that they aren’t trying to make her look like a bull dyke.
So bitter, so bitter!
I think this post was more about the increasing emasculation of American culture. I’ve long been noticing it and have become more and more disturbed by it. Every tv show or movie that contains a traditionally manly guy either portrays him as a bumbling jackass or a womanizer. The woman is always the problemsolver, the smart one. And the man is always the idiot. The last show I can think of where the opposite was true was I Love Lucy. Been a while. After all, any portrayal of a woman having her problems fixed by a man MUST be sexist. But apparently its ok to portray us as fat, useless, hopeless children in need of “training” by a snide and sarcastic wife. That seems to be the sitcom formula these days. Just irritates me.
Are all “masculine” people such preening crybabies?
You folks do realize that this essay is four years old, right? He’s not responding to the show. He’s responding to hearing that he didn’t get the part.
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Hysterical.
[...] wait for comment over the next four years, I thought this might be a good time to take a look at these reflections by Dirk Benedict on the current Battlestar Galactica [...]
Hey loser,
The new Starbuck is more of a “man” than you’ll ever be!
Too bad you blew it and didn’t realize the way the wind was blowing like Richard Hatch.
I suspect that what is really going on here is that you’re pissed you missed a good payday.
Grow up you pathetic right-wing little man.
Thanks for the laugh. “Sucked great big donkey parts” does not quite describe the garbage the original show was. Dirk’s sore because he didn’t get on BSG.
Poor baby.
BATTLESTAR 1980 ANYONE??
Let’s see, was the original Battlestar Galactica a masterpiece because of Starbuck, or a dud because the suits said lose the cigar?
After one episode, I figured out that the original BSG was in fact a kiddie show, of course trying to ride some Star Wars coattails. Never watched a full episode.
Dirk seems to have had in mind for the character of Starbuck a cross between Han Solo and Fonzi. I wonder how Henry Winkler and Harrison Ford pulled it off without cigars.
I’ve never seen either version of Battlestar Galactica, but it sounds to me like you portrayed the character as you wanted to despite the objection of the “Suits”, the show was unsuccessful, and it was canceled after a year. Maybe you were wrong, and not everyone else? Like I said, I never watched the show so I don’t know, but maybe you should consider that possibility.
What a manly temper tantrum.
Loved both Battlestar Galactica and the A Team growing up, and Dirk, you were my favorite in both! You are absolutley right, by thye way. In every single movie, tv show, and commercial men are seen as stupid and inferior to women. It’s ridiculous.
You just sound like a bitter old out of work actor. “These kids today don’t know what television is like. Back in my day things were glorious!” Do you realize how much like Grandpa Simpson you sound like?
I don’t hear any such complaints from Richard Hatch because, oh yeah, he’s getting a paycheck.
Dirk! God bless you my friend! You played two of my favorite characters ever!!! Battlestar Galactica, and the A-TEAM are still to this day my all time favorite shows! I did a skit of the A-TEAM, and I hope you’ll get a good laugh with what I did with it!
The O-TEAM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imQSuJVFUSU
The “O” TEAM
Joe Biden as HANNIBAL
Al Gore as HOWLIN’ MAD MURDOCK
John Edwards as FACE
and Barack Obama as B.O. BARACKus
Dirk, fella… this is just sad.
I was a fan of the original series… when I was a kid. I’m not a big fan of the new show, but I’m just not that into sci-fi any more.
I’m sorry you’ve gotten real old and don’t like soy lattes or whatever is that’s irritating you. But you sound like a grumpy old man kvetching about past that never was. YOU WERE ON A *FICTIONAL* SHOW THAT LASTED 13 EPISODES! Yeah, women do have babies, suits suck, and some people like cigars, but honestly, you just seem like an bitter old sad sack. Enjoy your adulation from your fellow old cranks.
The rest of us think less of you.
Dirk, you were and still are a great Pop icon. Starbuck and Faceman are two of the greatest characters on TV. I love them both dearly.
But they are the exact same character. The reason you didn’t have much of a career outside of these two shows even though you were hugely popular and could have had leading man status is because you are completely unadabtable and at best suited for a Niche. You resisted the “suits” in Battlestar Galactica because you are unable to follow direction and just do what you want…you got lucky because the fans loved it. They loved it so much they let you do it twice.
It is hard to take seruiously the opinion of a person in regards to change when they themselves cannot even play different roles in two different shows.
The Original Battlestar was campy fun. Back in a time when mainstream could not take Sci Fi seriously on TV, campy Sci Fi was the way to go. Over the top characters who were charactures. Starbuck was a perfect fit. He was Han Solo for the small screen (by the way; it is Han, not Hans…he isn’t Dutch). The fans want more depth from their Sci Fi now. Battlestar is arguably the best show on television right now. I had my doubts about it at first and was sad at the gender swaps; but in the end it worked out. Battlestar is not in the hands of the Suits but is instead in the hands of its creators. Right where you by your own words think it should be.
And no man is any greater than the strong women he chooses to keep as company, and vice versa.
DBC, Dirk Benedict\’s official website, stands for Dirk Benedict Correctness.
Only those who agree with Dirk are allowed and any mention of his attitudes on women are forbidden (and could subject you to years of harrassment)
Never mind that in this article Dirk rants against the violence and darkness of the remake, he did his own movie Cahoots which is one of the most twisted homoerotic slash stories ever made. But it\’s okay if the violence is coming from himself. Not at all hypocritical.
What a joke…The original series was lame; a second rate derivative Star Wars knock-off. The “re-imagined” new version is highly inventive with complex characters instead of cartoon cutouts and a plot that requires the audience to think about big questions instead of corny 1950’s “white hats vs black hats” cowboy stories.
[...] Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Lt. Starbuck … Lost In Castration. [...]
Repost from 2005, people, GEEZ
Search for yourselves, this came from then. It’s not recent.
Please Dirk. Quit whining and just come out of the closet already. Your fans will understand.
Another thought I had but forgot to post.
The strict Black and White message of morality is far more damaging and deceitful than any Grey morality present more often in modern storytelling.
It is very damaging for a child to grow up thinking that evil doers are very clearly visible and distinctive from everyone else. Truth is most “evil” acts are enacted out of a personal ideal of justice. Al Qaeda and Nazi alike feel they are doing great good in the world.
Robin Hood is a prime example, and better story for our children to grow up on. Robin is a crook bt definition, but does so for a good cause.
In the original BSG the Cylons were painted as clear villains, but when you see all the civillian Cylons getting killed in Gun on Ice Planet Zero you should be sad for them. Just as sad for all the civillian Colonials killed in the first episode. The original BSG glorified War by making the enemies lifeless machines. From a moral standpoint the Colonials could not lose. They could murder Cylon after Cylon with no moral implication whatsoever. Life has no value and rarely does a main character get remotely injured. Great message for our kids.
Also, the “Suits” kept the series episodal. There was really no ongoing storyline. There was no reason to watch the whole series, you get as much from any given epsiode as the rest. Aside from a few two parters, there is no real conituity. This makes the original series easier to judge just for seeing one or two episodes. The new series (and many of the best shows on television) take time to really appreciate because storylines are stretched over many episodes. It is very easy to watch a few random shows and be completely lost. Makes judging them very hard.
And I agree that it is hard to swallow that 99% of humanity was just destroyed but everyone is overly cheerful.
It was also retarded that 99% of humanity was just destroyed but they keep running into humans everywhere…and keep going…and leave them behind for the Cylons to kill. Well thought out storytelling here.
Dirk,
Man, I loved, LOVED the original! I would draw vipers at school all day. My friends and I pretended our swings were vipers….I was Apollo (sorry.).
I think you hit the nail on the head regarding the castration of our society. It is no longer fashionable to be “manly”!
However, I really dig the new BSG. I think the writers got it right. I think the questions they ask are real. What if society as we know were wiped out by an unrelenting enemy who’s goal is to eradicate humanity?
How would men and women behave if there were only some 40 thousand of us left? What kind of comprimises would have to be made in order to protect the last remnants of humanity?
I know there are certain elements of the show that are unsavory. The sex, the violence, I think the story could be told with the extremes toned down a notch. So, we agree there. I think the male characters aren’t as weak as you’ve made them out to be.
I’ve seen the “entertainment” business dumb down and nueter the male lead for years. There simply aren’t anymore Rambo’s or Rocky’s. Certainly we will never again see John Wayne. Clint Eastwood continues to put up good stuff, and God willing, he’ll be around to influence some of our youth. So, I agree. Hollywood’s feeding the girls the snips and snails and puppy dogs’ tails while the men are getting more ginger and spicey.
FOR THE RECORD: A-team ROCKED!
I might have been able to get into the new show if they hadn’t pretended it was a remake of Battlestar Galactica. And casting a female as StarBUCK was, quite frankly, retarded. I yelled at the TV “Oh, come on! Maybe if they called her StarDOE!” I love it that I’m not the only one who thought that.
It looked like it had potential, but the stupidity of calling it a remake when it’s really a totally different show turned me off. So I turned it off after two episodes.
Mr. Benedict
I would respect your little article here a bit more..
Except you sat in Starbucks with Katiee Sackhoff and gave her a “official” Starbuck cigar and wished her the best before the first movie came on television. And Now as the new BSG is airing its final episodes your write this article? May I remind you.. the Origional BSG aired for a Season.. this one has plooded on for four and half?
I liked the origional BSG for what it was. But I have learned to appreciate this one also. I am not worried about the abundance of females in the story line..
I wasn’t really a fan of BG way back when. I did watch it some, but it was hopelessly trite and campy. The only redeeming characters were Starbuck, Apollo, and a few main characters, who actually had characters. Greene played his part well, but I thought it was far too sterile and cold.
My kids watched..well, perhaps an episode or two of the new BG2, and then we lost interest. Even without the cultural or moral analysis of the show, it had no appeal.
Maybe I’m just old fashioned, but I want to watch heroes on the side of right and good and see them win. Not criminals. Not a morass of wrong with “relative struggles”.
Life is hard enough, when it comes to finding the right and wrong… Let’s have some clarity, at least, when it comes to entertainment.
Hollywood has been remaking movies and shows since the beginning of the industry, this is nothing new. Star Trek was a reimagined Forbiden Planet. And many movies of the 40s and 50s were remakes. Not new at all and not a lack of creativity.
I think they are all about equal suckage, dennis, but Buck Rogers wins just for Erin Gray in that jumpsuit. ROWWRR!
Sorry Dirk, I could see the original BG for the puerile starwars-ripping-off junk it was when it aired, and I was 12 years old!
Hated the original, thought it was a bad Star Wars knock-off. Thought the Viper was a cheesy x-wing clone. At least the new version of BSG isn’t pumping phony sunshine up my ass.
Frank said: “I truly believe that a liberal is a mean person at heart. Their entire political philosophy is centered around controlling everyone and everything else. It is why they are such shameless liars.”
LOL! The real world has turned on Frank and he can’t handle the thought of his repressed world view being destroyed piece by piece! Thank SkyDad that he and his ilk are few and far between….BTW Frank, nice selective contempt you got going there! (and I’m not even gonna address the logic) Keep those arms flailing! LOL!
Anyways, the original was fun and campy in an old serial sort of way. But Dirk has some serious, misplaced issues. Probably has more to do with his own failures and wants than the new BSG. That’s for him to work out.
You know what else needs to be worked out? The feelings of betrayal all you conservatives had when the humans began strapping bombs to themselves while on New Caprica.
In your fantasy world of TV Fiction as Reality, (for example, wanting Jack Bauer as CIA Chief and torture always extracts correct info) the thought of patriotic humans resorting to terror tactics against their occupiers was just too much! That plot turn certainly caused acknowledgment that the actions of a supposed terrorist may have legitimate origins. Even though these labeled terrorists do things that most agree is horrific and inhuman, the thought of your champions having to resort to such a tactic destroyed the affirmation trip you all were on. Your heroes could mimic the peoples you were taught, or chose, to hate. That twist, I’m sure, was a big F.U. from the writers. And that’s when all the conservatives I knew who watched turned away. They could not handle the juxtaposition and heads exploded in a “Scanners”-like moment!
With that said, if you really need to get affirmation of your unrealistic, petty, hard-line world view through a TV show or a drug-addicted AM radio rabble-rouser, the issue isn’t with the show….it is with you.
Thanks for your time…I just had to address all the self-imposed retardation that’s going on around here!
How wonderfully un-PC!
Good Rant Dirk,
The original BSG was awesome for kid’s in Jr. High who had not gotten over just having seen “Star Wars.” The new show is not a kids/family show — apples and oranges. For all you naysayers of the original, please ask yourself why, for my entire 24 years in the USAF at least, every F-16 pilot called himself a “Viper” driver, even though the plane’s official name has always been the Falcon.
How come all of Dirk\’s female fans who say he isn\’t demeaning towards women happen to be bipolar? (Strange but true fact)
Von Cracker said|
\”I just had to address all the self-imposed retardation that’s going on around here!\”
I see that same self-imposed retardation here and on DBC, Dirk Benedict Correctness. Thanks for addressing it. Nice to know I\’m not the only one who sees it.
Randall said,\”Often, and more so in recent times, it’s about advancing the Liberal Agenda. And you folks are paying them to do it.\”
That is so untrue. It\’s always been about the money. What sold in the past is repeated and repeated. New things happen by accident.
\”the Liberal Agenda\” is a buzzword created by the conservatives to stir people up. True liberalism died when Jimmy Carter left the white house.
now it\’s just which side do you want to sell your soul too. (and being a nerd girl, I know how to keep my soul)
Heh, enjoyed BSG as a kid, and own the DVD. I also enjoy the new BSG.
I don’t look for any deep meaning in my entertainment, since so much of it is liberal frak.
Interesting viewpoint you have there though.
Starbuck… you are spot on. And I was there.
Anyone who believes that women can be fierce fighters, even in a fictional movie, needs to get a grip on herself. In the plane crash in the Hudson the other day our fearless, brave, independent women got on the boats before fragile, delicate, old men. There was not a single feminist complaint about the offensive assumption that any female is more helpless or fragile than any man no matter how old he may be.
So, any man, with no sexism at all, can fairly assume that women are weak; fragile; helpless women, and that it is asinine to portray women in fiction as tough guys.
Hurray! Mr. Benedict captured exactly what’s wrong with Hollywood’s navel-gazing regurgitation of today — particularly with respect to the sad reflection that the modern Battlestar Galactica represents when compared with the fun space opera that it originally was.
I think MisterD missed the boat with this whopper.
misterd – January 19th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Here’s a thought – let’s recycle a column you wrote 4 years ago, because the new series is back roaring to conclusion with more fans and acclaim than the original could hope to muster
The old series was number 1 in its time slot back then. The new show is clinging to its 2 million viewers, while the old show had as many as 65 million. Even if you add in the overseas numbers, it still falls short.
Face the facts the old series was watched by more people, and it was yanked for Mork & Mindy which made the viewers run and hide.
Personally, the name Starbuck for a female character is a joke. Of couse they couldn’t rename her or it wouldn’t work. Check out Moby Dick for a reference.
Keep up the fight Dirk!
–irlandes – January 20th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Anyone who believes that women can be fierce fighters, even in a fictional movie, needs to get a grip on herself. In the plane crash in the Hudson the other day our fearless, brave, independent women got on the boats before fragile, delicate, old men. There was not a single feminist complaint about the offensive assumption that any female is more helpless or fragile than any man no matter how old he may be.
So, any man, with no sexism at all, can fairly assume that women are weak; fragile; helpless women, and that it is asinine to portray women in fiction as tough guys.–
Thats not weak, thats smart. In a survival situation it is every man/woman for themselves. They got there first therefore they survive. That is the law of nature.
On a releated note : Why couldn’t Starbuck win a boxing match against a man? Their is far more to boxing than brute strength. Some of the greatest boxers in history were great not for their size but for speed and smarts. Women also have higher pain thresholds than men. While the typical girl you meet would honestly likely cry a river over a stubbed toe; if you take two equally fit men and women, the woman most likely would be able to endure more pain.
Starbuck doesn’t have to hit harder than Lee, she just has to do one or more of the following ; A) Outsmart him B) Have a better survival instinct (she clearly does) C) Be faster D) Take more punishment
[...] We Are At War With People Who Want to Kill Them, Too”), original-BSG actor Dirk Benedict rails against the modern version of the show, calling it (I’m not making this up) “Lost in [...]
[...] original Starbuck is evidently (and amazingly) bitter that the modern incarnation of his dashing, cigar-smoking, playboy …. And that Kara Thrace could hand the original Starbuck his ass on any particular day of the week [...]
[...] and Kathryn Hepburn and John Wayne and, well, the original “Battlestar Galactica.” – from here [...]
This is one of the funniest things I have read in like a week. Really. You guys are still there. Feminism has ruined things. Really? That is what you think? There is so much information on this thing called the world WIDE web, you’d think opinions today would have at least some merit behind them even if it is about a TV show. The current BSG is awesome. The original was awesome when I was 8. So do you have a problem with Adama being brown, does it hurt your whiteness?
I heard Hatch called a sell out earlier
This blog was originally written shortly after Dirk appeared in the pre BSG special and endorsed the new Starbuck (this has been mentioned), then he went and posted this. If Hatch is a Sellout, then Dirk is a Sellout and a Hypocrite. He took the Suits money then bit the hand that feeds him. I gurantee that if he had never written this he would have had a guest star spot somewhere in the series like Hatch did. Good job Dirk. How does it feel to have the Douchebaggery that put the nail in your acting carreer being dug up and plastered all over the internet like a Meme for years to come?
Wow. What a pathetic article. The new BSG is SO far superior to that campy piece of crap original, it’s not even funny. So say we all.
Are you bitter that you didn’t get a role in this highly acclaimed, award winning show?
White men are sooooo oppressed in this country! LOL!!!
Maybe Phil Gramm was right. You truly are a “Nation of Whiners”! Well, maybe not totally correct; Gramm should have left that designation to only politically dogmatic followers!
Cowboy Up for Men’s Suffrage! LOL!
Mr. Benedict appeared with Katee Sackhoff on the DVD extras giving her his blessings. He’s just mad that he is such a broken down person he couldn’t get a job on this series. Seriously, you looked like a panhandler. Hypocrisy, all of this. All of the support for sexism is not surprising, even from women. Sad that this stuff gets so much play even in the 21 Century, but that’s our patriarchy for you, complete with the typical conservative whining about being so repressed, har har. Von Cracker is correct.
–Right-Wing Half-Wit – January 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Right on, Facer! I haven’t even watched the new Galactica, but I bet they made the Galactica’s XO some kind of metrosexual pantywaist who sounds like Paris Hilton, because that’s what all television is like nowadays.–
Actually he is a drunken hardass
–And don’t you feminists and she-males try to suggest I WATCH the show before forming opinions about it. The Bible plainly says that knowledge is the root of all evil, so NO THANKS LIBTARDS!
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The irony that a book of knowledge people accept as truth is warning you against knowledge
I don’t know if anyone has been out in the world lately but the line between good and evil is not clear cut. Good people do bad things and bad people are not always devoid of morals. I think the new BG is a pretty accurate depiction of what would happen to people if the human race was on the brink of oblivion. Desperate people do desperate things. And it’s well written and well acted.
Also, feminism is not out to castrate you. Yes, women can easily become nothing but sexual objects in the media… but this is true of the past when they were nothing more that damsels in distress as well as now. BG shows women as something more than the damsel in distress that needs to be rescued by her big manly man… girls can kick butt too. Last time I checked there were women in the military, right?
Dirk, you sound like a toddler who is throwing a temper tantrum because he hasn’t gotten his own way. You are bitter because you were not included in the project and because your character was turned into a woman. You accuse feminists of trying to destroy the man’s man. Well it sounds like you just want your women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Grow up and join the rest of us in the real world.
I’ve been a sci-FANATIC for over 40 years.
The new BSG is the first sci-fi series that I’ve gone out of my way to avoid as a waste of time.
Starbuck as a woman?!?! Ludicrous-speed!
Actually, I’m tired of the whole chick beats up guy thing that pervades the whole tv spectrum. Like women have the ability OR the agression.
Starbuck as a chick? Preposterous!
If I want political correctness, I’ll get it from the evening news. Dont need it from entertainment, thank you!
Can’t count the number of sci-fi series that started out wonderfully, but within 2-3 seasons sank under their weight of political correctness until nobody wanted to watch them any more. Sliders anyone?
Dirk,
I gotta say… I can totally understand where you are coming from, but also, I absolutely LOVE the new series, AS WELL as the original… I own the entire original series on DVD, and I think for it’s time, it was the best of everything, just as the new version is now… you guys had the BEST effects for the time, great stories and writing, a remarkable acting cast, and those absolutely awesome Cylon Centurions, with their great robotic voices… I loved it, and still do.
I can watch both shows with equal awe.
The new version has such remarkable acting, the effects are way beyond industry-leading, and the stories deep, emotional, and powerful. Yes, things are different… and I can say with all honesty… when I first heard about the show, I was like you… I hated the very idea of a BSG with a darker tone, and female Starbuck. But out of my own curiosity, I watched it, and gave it a shot… and LOVED it, and have never turned back.
I know Glen Larson shares much of your dislike for the new series, and that is his choice. I’m not saying one is better than the other. I am saying that I personally, am able to sit back, and totally enjoy both shows, for what they are.
My very best to you, Sir… you gave us a great character to enjoy, on a great show, and for that, I thank you.
—- –Right-Wing Half-Wit wrote
“-And don’t you feminists and she-males try to suggest I WATCH the show before forming opinions about it. The Bible plainly says that knowledge is the root of all evil, so NO THANKS LIBTARDS!
SakuraDensetsu replied
“The irony that a book of knowledge people accept as truth is warning you against knowledge”
Actually, SakuraDensetsu, the Bible denounces ignorance and applauds wisdom and knowledge. So, Right-Wing Half-Wit is wrong on that score.—-
I am aware of this, I was just drawing attention to the stupidity of the posters statement “This book of knowledge to me knowledge is evil” Its like telling Mudd’s robots you are lieing. Trying to tell someone they have the Bible wrong starts a fight that just goes knowwhere…while poking fun at ludicrous statements is fun for all.
—- –Right-Wing Half-Wit wrote
“-And don’t you feminists and she-males try to suggest I WATCH the show before forming opinions about it. The Bible plainly says that knowledge is the root of all evil, so NO THANKS LIBTARDS!
SakuraDensetsu replied
“The irony that a book of knowledge people accept as truth is warning you against knowledge”
Actually, SakuraDensetsu, the Bible denounces ignorance and applauds wisdom and knowledge. So, Right-Wing Half-Wit is wrong on that score.—-
I may have posted this twice..if so sorry. Stupid computer
I am aware of this. I was merely pointing out the irony of his words. “My book of knowledge told me knowledge is evil”. It is like telling Mud’s robot that you are lieing.
Trying to explain to someone that their understanding of the Bible is wrong just starts alot of pointless arguing. Pointing out the stupidity in the words they use is fun for all.
You know, I was there when the first BG hit the screens, and that lasted all of one season, when they turned it into a cartoon, a caricature of a saga, and “Americanized” it (or should I say “McDonaldized” it??) into a two-dimensional comic strip. And I pretty much quit watching it when it turned the bend into single-dimensionality.
At least the “reimagined” BG has real human angst and drama, real human dilemma, real human choices that choose between bad and worse–pretty much a reflection of real human life. And the most delicious irony?? That the Cylons are cursed with the same human frailties that we are cursed with, hypocrisy and all.
I never thought much for Dirk Benedict as an actor; and that pretty much seals my opinion of him as a human, too.
A cigar-smoking old fart writes about how these dang kids don’t do it like they did in the old days. GRIPPING.
Sorry, Dirk, but just because misogyny benefited you back in the day doesn’t mean it wasn’t a bad thing.
Also, let’s recap: the original series (and I use the word “original” with full irony) lasted 1 season and was canceled due to low ratings. The reboot ran for 4 years and is being landed by the show’s creator, not canceled. You can moan about the “feminization of Hollywood”, or you can just admit that the new show is better than the original in every conceivable way.
Now I know why Richard Hatch got a job on the new series and not you!
aaannnnd dirk benedict loses miserably!
honestly man, no one cares.
i’d suggest you find a pack of reaaalll good cigars, huddle in a corner, and jack off real hard to all the new ladies of BSG who would never give you one glance in hell.
sorry bud.
both shows ’suffer’ from mutually exclusive yet cliches contemporary to their times.
The first one symptomatic of the insouciant disco days of ubiquitous blow and fluffy feather hair styles unruffled by the existential guilt that the redux likes to slather all over its characters. But since everybody was getting laid and dancing, before the alien invasion of the STD decades, the old BSG was the seventies, a complete disassociation from the world of labor and conflic, just a coke party with the chance of numbed out sex (for better or worse).
By its over wrought ‘earnestness’ BSG:redux could be the writing rooms confession of a ‘need’ for and general crisis of ‘meaningful’ dialogue in a genre that has done quite will without this feigned ‘realism.’ But if the Next generation feels like an a computer algorithm inventing narratives out of mind puzzles and logical conundrums, BSG:redux’s needs this sentimentalism as a way out but slips into a genre taking it self too seriously, as if the fans needed convincing.
But for all their ‘presented’ flaws both shows do that allegorical thing but the second with a little more relevancy.
yes, dirk makes points but like snarky critics, his points are a mixture of resentment and just enough curiosity to enact some revenge. But yeah, the female presence presents an interesting dilemma, but more likely a writing strategy (if not the consequence of writers married too long) but from what I know, starbuck 2.0 likes to get busy, and god love a girl who likes to get off in her viper cockpit and her fellow pilots, but even the show is guilty of hating the carefree sexual female, who seems so tormented over her craft and her libido.
And yes, I am an avid BSG:redux and a misogynist (the greek kind), I think the show is the only thing on that captures the zeitgeist of our times, even if the “females” are clogging the very institutions of our universities and hulls of our non-future ships
Horses for courses. The old BSG was intended as a lightweight diversion for children – a g-rated Star Wars for TV. In fact the producers were sued at one stage for plagiarising elements of that film and the characters of Han Solo (Starbuck) and Luke (Apollo). It wasn’t high art, but people enjoyed it.
The new BSG is intended as a heavyweight drama for adults. It is almost an entirely different show, really with only the setting and some of the characters names remaining the same. As such, it is almost impossible to compare the two shows. The new BSG different, and change should be embraced, because it is pointless to repeat what has already done. If you don’t like the new one, then just rent out the old one and vice versa. Whatever floats your boat.
A couple of things that can be stated as fact though are that the new BSG is a critically lauded, cerebral, challenging television show, and the ensemble cast is sensational. Unlike the new BSG, the old BSG was never going to win any Peobody awards, and they don’t hand them out cheap. Both shows have their place in the world.
I wonder if Katee Sackhoff really gives a damn about being labelled as Stardoe now that she’s played a character by the same name as Dirk for much longer than Dirk every did. She’s now a darling of the critics, she’s earning a fortune and the networks are throwing new shows in her lap.
A world of whatevs to you, sir. After falling deep for the new BSG and especially Kara Thrace, I tried watching reruns of the old BSG- and laughed, and laughed, and took it off of my TIVO list. Your show was dumb, sir, and your character was dumb in it, a slightly blonder Han Solo. I’m not sorry that popular culture has abandoned you and your character. The new BSG is fantastic and nuanced in aspects that I’m sure hadn’t even been discovered when you were still in acting.
Oh, and women hand out more than babies these days. Did you miss the memo?
jeez man.. give it up..
your original battlestar SUCKED. SUCKED I say. Damn monkey in a suit, and stupid looking aliens.. taking a great concept for the struggle of humanity, and pooping it out into a “faith” bases “family” time of boring and less than stellar acting on your part.
If you had any brains, you would realize just how incredible the new BSG is. That it took the good from the old, and made it a billion times better. But then again, that is about as likely as you realizing you are a sexist, egotistical, sore loser of a washed up actor.
Give it up man.. at least Richard Hatch had the brains to hop on the new show. And if I’m right, he’s getting paid for enjoying the continuation of battlestar.. and he loves it.. while you just stew, smoke your cigars, slap women in the ass, and bitch about the days gone by.
I’ll take Katee Sackhoff’s starbuck over yours any day. At least in 20 or 30 years, she won’t be sitting around bitching if they do another one with a gay 50 year old asian as starbuck or something.
I gotta wonder how Dirk would react to knowing that you were the guy I first ever had feelings defined as ‘I have a crush on him’, as a young gay male, back in ‘78.
Regardless of how he reacts, I wish him well.
LOL Bitter much?
Really, get over yourself.
[...] Link: Lt. Starbuck … Lost In Castration. [...]
Dirk:
I agree with one of the first posters above–you sound like you’re a little bitter for not being involved in the re-imagined series. I was a fan of the original series as a kid, but there is no question the current re-imagined series is so much better on many levels, especially in its complexity. I have news for you, apparently, the world is complex. Good and evil have gray areas. The writers and creators of the re-imagined series have successfully woven some of that realistic ambiguity into the show, that just wasn’t present in the original. All of the characters, male and female, have their demons and virtues, just like us, which helps us relate to them. Their casting of Starbuck has turned out to be a masterful creative stroke. I admit, I was apprehensive when I read about Starbuck being a female character–sounded kind of gimmicky at the time. Then, I saw the opening miniseries and quickly saw that it was no gimmick and any apprehension was gone. I liked your Starbuck when I was five years old, but Katie Sackoff’s Starbuck has far eclipsed yours. Sorry.
Kudos to Ron Moore, Peter Eick and the rest of the crew and cast of the re-imagined series. It’s been a great run. That first episode of the final set last week was just excellent — very emotionally poignant. It was a great example of why the re-imagined series has been so great.
[...] Benedict, the man who played the (male) Starbuck in the original Battlestar Galactica, has written rant against the sissified, womanly reimagined Battlestar Galactica. The rant itself contains gems like this: “If Dirk doesn’t quit playing every scene with a girl [...]
wow, want an angry bitter old man you’ve turned in to. It’s sad how many of the “manly manly macho men” around here sound more like whiny 12 year old kids. wahhhhhh they made Starbuck a woman! This challenges my perception of my own manhood! Maybe I have a small penis and when the women I’ve bedded said it was a good size, did they mean it was small?
Someone call the wahhhhmbulance for you, Dirk and company. It’s the 21st century. Grow up.
[...] being in the same category notwithstanding, this whiny baby diatribe from Dirk Bennedict (the original Starbuck) is laughable and sad. I am hoping he is simply pissed off because he [...]
Bring back Galactica 80! Now that was a real show. Remember when the Cylons went to a Halloween party? Now that’s real writing, not that complicated stuff they are serving us now.
Thats not “sharp” that just dumb ass writing without a second of thought put into it. Terrorists, baby makers.. you have every cliché down minus your own.
[...] original Starbuck and new BSG, that is. Via Tyler Cowen, Dirk Benedict unloads. Witness the “re-imagined” “Battlestar Galactica,” bleak, miserable, despairing, angry and [...]
Face it, fanboys/girls, if the “new” Battlestar Galactica has been presented as on its own instead of as a remake of the old hit, it wouldn’t have lasted beyond 13 episodes. If not for the original Starbuck, the new one was DOA.
[...] on Battlestar Gallactica By Ben Enjoyed this article from Dirk Benedict, star of the original Battlestar Gallactica series. The article is essentially [...]
Five Points:
1. You and most people posting here seem like pretty big pansies with all your crying about the girls getting to you.
2. The original BSG was great for 8 year olds but now would only attract the gay audience… that’s not just a jab for fun (or an attach on gays but come on dude)… It seems like something designed for the gay crowd. Let’s faceman it… you were “pretty”.
3. Katie Sackhoff could act your ass off! I’m not some goofy adoring fan but she is REALY good.
4. I lived through the late 70’s/80’s… I grew up watching the 70’s/80’s shows… ‘Battlestar Galactica’, ‘The A-Team’, ‘Buck Rodgers’, ‘Knight Rider’… They were all awesome THEN but SUCK to me now. That’s because I grew up… So did BSG… but I guess you (and plenty of net drones on this site) haven’t.
5. Your point about the “suits” not liking your Starbuck but then liking a reincarnation of him as Faceman in ‘The A-Team’ is less a testament to how wrong the execs were and more to the fact that you have no creativity… You just brought Starbuck to ‘A-Team’.
I’m going to go watch an old ep of “your” BSG on Hulu. Not because I want to but because I feel bad for you and I’m hoping you’ll get a nickle or something for it.
[...] 22 January, 2009 by Tobias Ziegler I read this blog post by Dirk Benedict a couple of days ago, thought it was a hilarious tantrum from a former TV actor, shared it with [...]
I have a few questions.
(1) Can you, um, point to a time when Show Business WASN’T “biz business”??? Are you honestly arguing that late 70s network television was the acme of televisual art, only to be sabotaged by the appearance of money-grubbing execs more concerned with the bottom line?
(2) If that IS what you are suggesting, have you not been paying attention to television the last 10-15 years? A few thoughts: The Wire, Oz, The West Wing, The X-Files, Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, Mad Men, Dexter, Everything Produced By Joss Whedon, and of course Lost (to name just a few). Television is experiencing a renaissance, genuinely unprecedented. Have a look.
(3) On second thought, never mind. None of the above shows I mentioned have easy black/white morality, the characters are dark and complex, and are positively rife with strong women. Though now that I think of it, Bunk Moreland on The Wire is a cigar-chomping womanizer. Might want to check him out.
Thank you. I’ve been saying this for years. It doesn’t take hurting the (hush) original series to show that male characters are being emasculated concurrently as female characters are being “empowered”, both beyond belief, both reflecting the shift in society that is desired by the engine of this shift.
One can simply look at another remake, this one with a slight twist of originality. “Chuch” is the modern “Greatest American Hero”, and he never combs his hair, and fails more often than not to look heroic, or even substantial.
And you aren’t the first to speak up. Though, we are relegated to the corner of kooks and weirdos for saying “What the hell happenned here?” when we realize that Lorne Green’s Adama wouldn’t have such extremely paralyzing alcoholic problems, because, simply, someone has to be the paragon of moral direction, and stand with a spine of concrete resolution.
Oh, it’s ok for some characters to be flawed, I’m sure.
I am.
But, dammit, take out that kind of frustration on a new show, with new possibilities! Call it “Star Battle Galaxy 12″, whatever, the range of probable titles are still quite innumerable, and the risks that can be taken will be equal to the glory gained, if achieved.
Dirk, my old hero, you are long missed, and you are appreciated for speaking up.
Keep up the good word!
-=T=-
and what’s with the shakey camera thing?
all the freaking time?
even during the cgi?
-=T=-
Here’s to Mr Benedict!
Isn’t smoking cigars kinda the gayest thing ever, Freud-wise? I think Dirk protests too much. How is it that a scifi character sends him in such a…tailspin?
What Mr. Benedict fails to understand is that the myth-making of the original series and especially the views of Ronald Reagan and Thatcher were an attempt to falsify or delude the Western public so that it could continue hurting people in the Third World. The new BSG shows the hypocrisy in life and in our dehumanization and homogenization of “the other” that he, Reagan, Thatcher, and, more recently, George W. Bush have engaged in. The new BSG is an attempt to expose what was always there. The old one, like Star Wars, engaged in simplistic thinking that only allows the cruelty and hypocrisy of this world to continue under the guise of good fighting evil. It’s tragic he doesn’t realize this and I’m glad he and his show were cancelled.
biiiiiit-ter.
Just because something is different doesn’t mean it’s wrong. And Dirk’s stereotyping of the male vs female characters is dumb, and it’s clear he hasn’t watched the show, at least not with open eyes.
Everything isn’t A or Z. It’s often somewhere in between, a B or a R or an O. Demanding that things conform to acknowledged stereotypes is what makes things like the Defense of Marriage Act or Proposition 8 feasable.
Dirk, you had a good fun romp that ultimately failed. This is just a different thing, and you shouldn’t be offended by it. Rather, you should join us in the 21st century, where the alluded promise of both Battlestars tell us so much is possible, from one extreme to another, and everything in between.
@ Craig
Do you remember the 70’s? I can’t believe you do based on your comments. While you make fun of Disco Star Wars, and a “cheesy old” program, you may want to put time in perspective. The old show had a big budget and was on a major network at prime time. The acting was on par compared to similar tv shows. The old show fit the bill as action/entertainment and it was light on drama. I may not be a fan of the 70’s, but you get what comes with the times. Almost thirty years later, you have a whole new look. As for the new show being the “best show on tv”, the numbers don’t support your claim. If the new show was ready for prime time, it would be there and not on SciFi.
Forget the remakes, rehashes or re-imagines, and tell SciFi to make something original. Create a fan base, and people will give the show more credit.
Fail
[...] 22, 2009 at 5:20 pm (Uncategorized) (BSG, misogyny) Ok, by now you’ve all seen this: Lt. Starbuck… Lost in Castration. Yeah, I know. It’s been making the rounds ever since the new BSG started. Dirk Benedict [...]
What a whiny, self serving load of hooey!
Wow, someone peed in your Cheerios this morning. Sorry you weren’t offered a role in the new BSG, but with an attitude like that, I don’t blame you. The new version of Starbuck has more gonads than your feathered hair version could ever dream of. Women are now playing kick-ass roles. Deal with it. Go smoke some more cigars in your boys only treehouse, your tripe that you considered acting is done here.
Much too long. This could have been much shorter:
“Oh no! I’m a washed up has-been whose greatest moment of glory has been usurped by an actress with a range I couldn’t equal on my best day! But if I whine about it I’ll come across as a petty prima donna. What to do, what to do … I know! I’ll blame it all on feminism.”
I cant say I totally agree here. First off, the old BSG was rife with limitations, hassles from Lucas’s ILM people that cost them decent special effects, (There were what? 6 FX shots used over and over?) and plot lines. At least I dont think the folks in the new BSG would have to wait for Adama to wake up so he could tell them to open the window in order to blow out a fire in space. I dont think viewers should have had to contend with OLD plot remakes of Shane, or The Guns of Navarone. Before one should say a program was unimagined, perhaps one should also be looking at how original the original was in the first place.
I enjoyed the original while it was on because it did occasionally surprise me, but I also have to say I watched simply because it was also the only SF on at the time..
The new BSG has writers and SFX budgets. Unfortunately I also dont think it has much in the way of dierction. If I were to take a guess at where it’s going I’d say its a cyclic war. Man builds cylons, they rebel, they leave, they come back organic, win, forget they’re cylons eventially and reinvent the cylons. Unfortunately this is mini series material. I got bored after episode one of season two. I figured that was a fair shake.
Dirk, you’re still the only Starbuck worth the name. This new show with a new storyline and completely different rules is not Battlestar Galactica. It should never have been given the name, and probably would have been better off with a name all it’s own to begin with. By tying itself to the original, it came to the screen with certain expectations (good or bad). When it purposely shredded those expectations, they lost a good portion of the base viewers that you would think they were targeting by using the name. The viewers they did get, they probably would have got with a whole new name (minus any of those who may have specifically avoided the show because of the name)
[...] Dirk Benedict eli alkuperäinen Starbuck ei arvosta uutta BSG:tä – [...]
Very well said, Mr. Benedict.
Sadly many of those who defend the latest “incarnation” of Galactica, have glossed over the fact that it is being canned by Sci-Fi because of, wait for it…
poor ratings.
Oh well, maybe they can “un-imagine” something else, like, Flash Gordon, The Dukes of Hazzard, The Incredible Hulk (again)…
actually dirk, you’re right. we feminists *are* planning to take over the world.
mission turn dirk benedict into a whiny, washed-up, pathetic ghost of a man: complete!
didn’t we just elect a president based on the same criteria you just spoke of?.suits knowing what’s best because of formulas,Hollywood following in line and selling the product as the best.not because it is,but because they said so.it’s not about what’s right or wrong,good or bad,but what’s profitable.a lot of political organizations are going to profit from this new president,and that’s all that matters.
to some of your commentors like randy,who call you a bitter hasbeen.you need to excuse them,they wouldn’t know an “original” idea or concept if it slapped them in the face and said hi,I’m originality.all they have are re-makes of old,but original concepts and ideas.labeling something “new and improved” does not make it so.if I took a crap sandwhich and re-made it,calling it an “organic spread” sandwhich with all the basic elements of the earth.I’m sure randy and his believers would buy it,and say it’s the greatest!.
I recently purchased the original on dvd. It took exactly 3 episodes of the new Battlestar to motivate me to reach for the remote and change the
channel.It sucks hard! Thanks Dirk, for having the balls to tell it like it is. There is no Battlestar, like the ORIGINAL Battlestar, and there
never will be.
Dirk – Take corridor C to frame A34, turn left and there’s the airlock.
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FRED2 wrote:
“That’s an ironic statement considering the number of gay characters on the new BSG. Even a passing glance reveals more major gay characters than Black ones.”
I agree with you FRED2! I think Dualla is a decent character but she is more a minority on the show than she (the actress) is in real life. They have one other main black character (The doctor cylon Simon) but he has been in very few episodes. There is lively discussion among NewBSG fans about this. I’m not sure why there aren’t more minorities.
Regarding Gays… there are four that I can think of. Not a lot. Thought this, I think, makes the show more inclusive. I agree with you also that Lost is both awesome and VERY diverse.
u mad
Dirk, you hit the nail on the head. Something needs to be done about the SciFI network. First, they castrate Battlestar Galactica. Then, they lobotomize the Andromeda Strain. Then they rape the Wizard of Oz. I was enthusiastic about a whole channel devoted to SciFi when they started… but look at what a pit of metrosexual Gaiaphile politically correct dollar whores they have become. They don’t even have the good sense to be ashamed of themselves.
Also, serious laughs at anyone who thinks the original BSG was actually an original concept or even slightly creative. “I grew up with BSG” — sucks for you guys!
Chris, do you want to come watch some original movies later? I was thinking maybe we could put on Mac and Me, Cry-Baby or maybe Critters?
What the hell happened to my comment?
Guess it’s not too late to leave a comment. Its amazing how long this comment session has gone on. Just discovered the site and this story today.
Totally agree with Dirk. Loved Starbuck. Still say Frak. Tried the new BG and gave up. Favorite episode: when the Pegasus and Lloyd Bridges showed up to saw the day.
What everyone misses it how the Hollywood media and mass media in general are being used to change/destroy American culture. Our school curriculua are doing the same thing. It is not by chance and not without expertise. Check out Theodore Adorno, The Stanford Research institute and the Tavistock Institute. The Beatles and the LSD culture were not by chance.
Yes, there is money to be made, but there is another agenda – - make the US of our Founders into a Euro-clone: socialist, enervated, helpless, and cowardly. When family movies make tons of money and Hollywood insistes upon making sick/dark/depraved stuff and then giving it awards despite failure at the boxoffice there has to be some other agenda.
But back to Dirk. You are living proof the the system can fail to grind everyone’s spirit up. However you managed to keep your values and perspective, carry on and teach it to others. There is a country and an ideal of individual freedom and responsibility needing to be saved.
“May you live long and prosper.”
I was 9 years old when the original BSG began to air. It sparked a lifelong love of science fiction and I idolized Starbuck. Thanks for airing your angry, bitter, misogynistic views and darkening a little part of my childhood, Dirk. I wonder if you’d be singing the same tune if they’d offered *you* a part in the new series like they did Richard Hatch?
Hey Dirk….I too watched the original BSG as a wee lad and while i liked it then, in retrospect it really stinks. That’s just a rule more than not with cheesy 70s sci-fi. While the original laid the ground work for today’s incarnation, your version pales in comparison to the new endeavor. Do you still listen to disco?
Please get some help for your anger.
You strange, sad little man.
“I got rid of my cable television shortly after I saw the scene where Apollo and girl-Starbuck get into a fistfight.”
Oh stars! A fist fight on television, whatever will they do next?
“Thanks to Women’s Liberation, television images are now teaching my impressionable boys its OK to bitchslap a woman around. The rap music will confirm this message.”
Check your history John, television shows and films before 1980 were rife with scenes of men slapping women to “calm them down” (I believe that was before “rap music” – yes?)… see the original Star Trek, most James Bond films and anything with Steve McQueen. The difference now is that women can DEFEND themselves from physical attack instead of falling (sobbing) into the arms of their attackers. On another note, in the good old days before the dreaded specter of “Women’s Liberation”, violence against and abuse of women wasn’t thought to be a crime… at least not a serious one. Were those times better or worse?
I agree with a lot of posters on this thread. The idea that your manhood is threatened by A TELEVISION SHOW only underscores how brittle your sense of masculinity is. What Mr. Benedict’s rant has uncovered is the fact that *some (not all)* conservatives have become like a bunch of frightened children. They are (as a group) ignorant, uncritical, anti-intellectual hypocrites. They’ve abandoned a pragmatic, well reasoned world view and a set of time tested values for what, some fluffy, “feel-good”, notion of security and safety? A watered down version of patriotism that requires little more than blind obedience, a system of situational ethics that allows for the brutal rape and torture of children (see Abu Graeb)? I can’t for the life of me understand why the party of Dwight Eisenhower traded Russell Kirk and Bill Buckley for Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. They want a big bad daddy figure to fight their battles to and to tell them what’s right or wrong.
“Apparently the future has shed the backwards barbarism of chivalry and Victorian morality”
Ha ha ha, I’m guessing you don’t know much about Victorian Morality…. the movement by ruling class “gentlemen” to save the virtue of the (morally weaker) lower classes (and women) by hording pornographic materials for themselves… nice.
I can see the appeal of the original BSG, its mindless entertainment, it’s not meant to be challenging. And Dirk Benedict was perfect for that kind of show, he just had to deliver lines, mug for the camera and pose. The new BSG is a different animal though; it’s a realistic, gritty drama full of tension and suspense. It’s MEANT to challenge you, to show you different points of view and to strip the human condition down to the bare essentials. For that kind of show, you need more than a two dimensional character actor, you need intelligent, thoughtful players like Edward James Olmos, James Callis and Katee Sackhoff… okay, I’ll give you Anders… but he’s the exception that proves the rule.
Sad, sad, sad that this divisive, mean-spirited article has to rear it’s ugly head again, 4 or 5 years after it was written. Is Dirk Benedict trying to ring a tiny bit more press out of Battlestar Galactica, just before this incarnations final episodes are televised? One last run at glory.
If people think that the original show was better and more fun than the new one and preferred they old Starbuck, well good for them. That’s fair. Nothing wrong with that.
If people think that the new show is better than the new one and prefer the new Starbuck, well good for them too. Each to his own.
Mr Benedict’s rant is pure hate and extremely misogynistic. It reeks of sour grapes and mean-spirited sulking. Dirk, times changes and people do things differently because there is no point in doing them exactly the same. Get over it.
Also, calling a young actress petty names when she’s just doing her job is nasty and immature. How ironic that Katee Sackhoff has earned far more critical praise and industry respect for her acting chops in 4 years (not just for Battlestar) than you have received in your entire career. I remember on the new Battlestar mini-series DVD where there are short introductions to the actors and she says “I’m Katee Sackhoff and I play Starbuck. Deal with it”. Yeah, word. Time to move on.
Dirk hit the nail on the head so many times and in so many ways that there isn’t much left to be said but I’ll see what I can do.
Many of the responses in this thread are the typical garbage you see if you dare point out the many things Dirk mentioned. Daring to point out how society has been fundamentally altered during the continuing war against men and masculinity, will bring out the cowardly males who like to accuse every other guy of being “anti woman.” These cowardly males don’t understand much beyond the entertainment culture, they don’t stand up for truth, and they don’t stand up for much of anything except things they are scared of such as women and government. These cowardly males are apologists for both.
Modern masculinity has been totally redefined to mean essentially worshiping porn in between playing video games and drinking beer. In other words, if you like to look at female bodies and play warcraft, and drink beer, then you are therefore masculine. To all the kids who don’t remember anything before the mid 1990s, I hate to tell ya but there is a LOT more to being masculine than just staring at females and living in your X-box fantasy land and drinking with buddies. Many concepts mentioned in this article needed to be said, BADLY.
Frankly, I’m amazed that Dirk is daring to say some of the things he said. I wonder if he is so fired up because his eyes have been fully opened to the massive war against males in conjunction with the full takeover of our society of marketing to women. Watch 5 minutes of the idiotic television. You start to wonder if men even exist anymore because every commercial is marketed to females and nearly every show that isn’t sports is marketed to women. It’s like we have been shoved out of society and into the desert.
The current BSG wasn’t marketed entirely to women but it wasn’t marketed to real men either. It was marketed to BOYS. To boys who are the product of a generation without fathers. To boys who kind of think like females in that they only care about superficial things like drama and the outward appearance of the characters (which was geared towards boys in a porn sort of way).
Modern males are mostly afraid to say there is such a thing as right and wrong, black and white, truth versus error. This is a shame. The old BSG dared to accept those truths. The new and perverted BSG operates in a hazy world where right and wrong is subjective, where the males are weak, and where women are in charge and are ACTING like males (as they show off their bodies).
The modern entertainment driven males will throw out everything I just said just like they throw out everything Dirk said. Oh well. They can HAVE their hazy view of things and their ever changing principles. Some of us will choose to hold on to understanding the real world and understanding truths that outlast the whims of a sick society.
I look at some of these comments and find it disturbing how some do the predictable nonsense of claiming that Dirk is “angry.” These people like to claim that a man should never be angry, and that if he goes against society that he should “get help” (I guess that means “get medicated” like half of society is these days). Hey I’m proud to stand for truth, and to dare to have some passion (called “anger” by the cowards).
Here’s the secret to BSG’s success: sci-fi channel’s televised viewers are only a small part of the show’s audience. Most of the people who watch this show do so at their own leisure, through ad-free DVR playback, DVDs or downloading — legally or not. They don’t care about spoilers or promos, and just judge the show on its own merit.
Strip away the controversy with old BSG fans, get rid of the hype around the Final Five, and you still have a pretty darn good drama with superb production values that rivals anything else on tv right now. Enjoy it for what it is.
Wow… bitter much?? I has a HUGE fan of the classic, still watch it to this day. LOVED Starbuck more than Appollo. Only watched A-team because of you (hated the A-team).
But seriously, as ANYONE who is a fan of the new show can see, you’ve never watched it. What did you do? Watch the pilot, saw Starbuck was a girl, and never tuned in again? You obviously know nothing of the characters, the story, or the story arc it has had for the entirety of it’s history. It’s one of the most intelligent shows on television right now full of complex relationships, mystery, action, strife, politics, religion, and strong women on a truly equal footing with their male counterparts.
“soft porn”? Puhlease…. grow up and swallow your bitterness. If you took more than an hour out of your life to actually watch the show, I have no doubt you’d want to print a retraction. But being the macho man and misogynist you make yourself sound to be, no one will hold their breath.
I am a woman, fell in love with the original as a young teenager, work in the industry, and LOVE the new BSG…. as such I am offended and disturbed by everything you have said. What a pity, you have shattered the pedestal I had placed the original Starbuck and you upon as a tween.
Excuse me now, I have to clean up the fragments and put out the garbage.
Wow, what a great piece. I loved it, especially the line about Reagan, Thatcher, and BSG. The old was a far better series than the new. You MADE Starbuck, Thank You! Pay no attention to the muldfelds of the world. It’s all gray to them. There is right and wrong, as I am sooo glad you pointed out.
[...] Lt. Starbuck … Lost In Castration. [...]
[...] who played Starbuck in the original Battlestar Galactica series, is a right winger who writes in Big Hollywood how the remake isn’t as good as the original due to its liberal viewpoint. (Hat tip to [...]
Dirk, you hit the nail squarely on the head, and summed up everything I hate about not only this show, but most new shows as well. And the majority of the Hollywood offerings currently being thrown around. To be a “MAN” is now somehow dirty. Men must be portrayed on TV and in movies as bumbling idiots, sort of the Maxwell Smart of the house. I mean, Mom is off at the 2 day White Sale at Bloomies, and Dad is at home trying to feed the kid dog food and the house looks like it’s been bombed.
The continuing emasculation of the traditional male in the name of progress is why we are in such a world of hurt these days, as people are far more concerned about the _feelings_ than with doing what is right and needs to be done.
Even Jack Bauer, probably the manliest man since MacGuyver has to second guess himself, and pay penance for DOING WHAT WAS RIGHT and thinking with force, rather than waiting to be second guessed and ordered around by his (female) supervisors.
I like most science fiction and I enjoy both versions of BSG. When I heard Ron Moore was going to be involved though, I wasn’t sure at first. As someone who watched Star Trek from TNG through Enterprise during him and Ron Bermans’ reign, I expected something much worse. I like that BSG TOS was campy and I like that the new version of BSG is dark, has an ongoing storyline other than them going to Earth, Boomer, Starbuck, Apollo, and Adama have much more depth to them.
Maybe Dirk is just upset that the original Apollo has a role as Tom Zarek and he didn’t get a part on the new BSG. Hey, maybe Dirk is the 5th Cylon and everyone is making us believe its Ellen! lol
Dirk,
I think you described the new BSG accurately. If you strip away all the CGI graphics, the new BSG is boring at best. The original was faster paced and more fun to watch. I only wish the original series had the special effects resources then that they do now.
Good Gawd, people, it’s just a ‘effin TV show! And an old one to boot! Get over it, Dirk, and find new work!
THIS ARTICLE IS FROM 2004.
IT IS NOT HIS CURRENT POV.
INFACT, HE MADE UP WITH KATEE SACKHOFF AFTER THIS.
SEE: http://www.wohlmut.com/kevin/pictures/starbuck-n-starbuck-at-starbucks.jpg
INFACT, CAN I JUST ASK WHY AN ARTICLE THAT’S NEARLY 5 YEARS OLD IS BEING REPEATED HERE, ANYWAY?!?
[...] The Dirk Benedict blog rant [...]
I would like to say that your article was very articulate, and I agree with you on most of it. The original Battlestar Galactica was great, and the new one pales greatly by comparasion. I tried to watch the new one, but once a female Starbuck came on, well, get real.
I also agree with you about how much simpler things were, back in our day, but I did take offence to the statement about how we women are here to “hand out babies”. I think we can do alot more then that, and I bet you agree, now that the rant is out of your system. I think the problem is that the pendulum has swung way too far in the opposite direction. Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. I agree. Does that mean they are not equal? I don’t think so.. but they aren’t the same, either. Being treated equally does not mean being treated the same. And that is the lesson that we as a society have to learn.
And why was Starbuck as played by you such a great hit(much to the shagrinn of the suits)? Because while we women don’t like players, or cigar smokers.. we all fall for a bad boy. Esp when he is cute and not so bad he lingers on EVIL. Starbuck was perfect, and you loved him not inspite of his faults, but because of them. At least, that is what I think.
What Kissa said. Thank you!
And wasn’t this essay originally published when the BSG re-imagined series first aired? Come on. Sour grapes, much? Seriously.
At least Richard Hatch got it.
I agree with Dirk. The new series is bad. I think it would be a lot better if it had a Toby Keith soundtrack, Starbuck was back to being a super masculine no-question-straigt-as-an-arrow hunk like Dirk Benedict, a good ol fashion lynching for anyone who isn’t white or didn’t vote for a white presidential candidate, and more*
* – more meaning more family values like the ones I just typed.
Yeeeeehawwwww
I’m glad somebody is finally telling it like it is. Good work Mr. Benedict. All I keep seeing are blogs and reviews about how great the new BSG is. All I see is a steady decline into a hole that they’ve written themselves into. They’ve been trying to focus on character development and have failed miserably. Having a character do something that is out of character is not character development. They seem to forget that THEIR ENTIRE CIVILIZATION WAS WIPED OUT BY KILLER ROBOTS! Something that should be a driving force in everyday life just seems to be pushed aside a lot.
The old Battlestar Galactica was kitsch hilarity, a few steps away from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, or whatever that show was called. I enjoyed it.
The new one might be problematic at times – it lost it’s way somewhere near the end of the second season, and has been intermittently good/great since – but it KILLS in comparison.
This is like denigrating The Wire because it’s not like Starsky and Hutch.
Dirk, always great to see a fellow Montanan do well for themselves. And, I must admit, I am a big fan of the A Team, for reasons that are unclear even to me, but that probably had to do with Dwight Schultz. I had a wicked crush on him for a while.
Although I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion, I disagree with practically everything you say about the new BSG. Not every episode of the new version, but certainly some of them, I consider to be the best episodic TV I have ever seen. I don’t remember every thinking that about the original version.
The fact is, the old and the new BSG are apples and oranges. The new version explores the politics, economics and spirituality of people living under extreme conditions. The old version had a robot dog. See the difference? The two version have little in common other than the name and the names of a few characters. But so what? The old version was light entertainment. The new version is hard to watch sometimes, but it always makes me think. What’s so bad about that?
Excellent article. So much on Television is down and depressing. I just don’t turn it on for my family. Instead I was extremely happy for the digital switch that provided us with a retro station. the “A-Team” is on every night and BSG on the weekends. Our whole family sits and watches. Even my husband who never watches Tv or movies comes for this. We love it! Why? Twists and turns, creative solutions, good fun characters, no blood and guts, and heroes we can be proud of.
Life is hard and too depressing as it is. I enjoy believing that there are heroes out there. (And it is fun to see my own daughter fall in love with Faceman, too) I love it when a plan comes together.
Mr. Benedict,
Thank you for saying what many think. I had the real Starbuck's (your) picture hanging in my locker. I can honestly say that I miss those real men, too.
Hey Dirk, bitter much?
Get real. This BSG beats the hell out of your campy 70s disco in space.
To all of you that need an upbeat message with a clear delineation between good and evil, with good winning every time…….. yeah, that really reflects reality.
Sorry, I don't need to be spoon fed morals from a television show, and I am secure enough in my manhood to enjoy a strong female character. I also ENJOY seeing realistic characters who aren't archetypes of "good" or "evil".
Get a life Dirk.
I grew up watching the original BSG and I can understand what Dirk is saying about the twisting of the orginal plot and the sale of a false bill of goods. I think the first season was very good and this series has flowed down hill like a big pile of shit. I like BSG 2.0 but I can not see how any watcher can root for the colonials which is a reversal from the orginal.
I don't think that the BSG story line has to be sacrocant. This is not a nonfiction TV show. This is fiction and it can be what it is. I don't know how much input NBC Universal has or Jeff Zucker has but I would not be surprised that there is behind the scenes tweaking of the script to enhance the show with certain demographics.
What did surprise me was the focus on cost in various enhanced versions of BSG including the webisodes. It seems to me that NBC is milking the life out of this show… Yea, no space fight scenes… there too expensive…
[...] the actor who portrayed the original Starbuck (Dirk Benedict) has a problem with this portrayal (hat tip to Donald McClarey); and not just that – he sees it as a sign of a [...]
I find Benedict's rant is so over the top crazy that it is comical. What's utterly depressing to me is the level of agreement found in the comments. The rampant sexism is appalling. Disliking the dark tone of the new series, missing the escapism of the original- ok, I can understand that- it's a matter of personal taste.
Benedict completely misreads "Hollywood suits". The Battlestar Galactica brand was worth next to nothing in Hollywood in 2003. Before the re-imagined series debuted it was dismissed as a joke. [Again, I'm not personally bashing or dismissing the original that was merely the critical consensus.] RDM proved that the story of Battlestar had merit and relevance in a post 9-11 world and it revived interest in the original series and Galactica 1980. I’d never seen the original series until after I started watching the new one.
It's also worth noting that series continues to perpetuate sexism to a degree, largely in the form of the male gaze, which Benedict himself notes with regard to #6 (which I find very odd- for Benedict some sexism good, some bad?). It's a testament to Tricia Helfer that she has managed to add depth and complexity to a character that was merely a sex object for the first two seasons.
Some viewers object to the moral ambiguity of the new series. Again, I find this to be a matter of personal taste. Some viewers like television to ask hard questions and challenge their preconceived notions, some want comfortable black and white tales. I like my television “comfort food” as much as the next person, but for me, the shows that stick with me, that I buy and watch over and over again are the ones that challenge me and the one’s that I can identify with.
Life is rarely black and white and I prefer my art to imitate life.
Dirk:
You, sir, can talk to me about the Mars vs. Venus scenario when you've served in the military, which I noticed is missing from your list of credits.
After working in the television medium for oh, say, a quarter of a century, I do agree with you that the re-imagined version of BSG falls somewhat short on the beefcake side of the equation; however, if you'd watched the show, you would have noticed the social commentary..
Yup, the business has always been fierce, it will continue to be so, but what in the world do you have against women? If it weren't for a woman, you wouldn't have had the pleasure of raising your sons.
I've read your books. You are a gifted author. Why don't you begin another book? It'll take your mind off Hollywood. It'll never change.
Excellent work, Dirk. You've hit it right on the head. Keep 'em coming!
Strange, I like both shows, and see no reason to give up either one. But to be honest, I prefer looking at the new Starbuck and Boomer.
To be honest I found this rant to be fuel by pure sexism. The notions that it's a bad thing if a show is female driven or the female characters are the strong ones is something that belongs in the Victorian era, and I'm not even woman. All this crap about the new series being too dark is ridiculous. Yes it is dark but that is one of the great things about it. It explores the depths of the human soul and doesn't pretend we are these perfect beings. In a wold where 50 billion people were just killed and there are only a few thousand survivor living on ships for years you can bet it would be dark.
And for the record the Original series was a hokey cheesy attempt to cash in on the success of star wars.
Ron Moore's version takes the genre to a whole new level of intrigue and sophistication.
If that were true they would have named it The Vagina Monologues.
The original was awesome. This remake is pablum. I have more fun watching Flesh Gordon and don't have to worry about a lame plot.
Come on now. You talk as if the suits didn't run the show when you were on. You talk as if the original BSG wasn't a ludicrously terrible kids' show, calculated by the suits to capitalize on the Star Wars phenomenon. The new BSG does get a bit silly with the "maybe we deserved annihilation by robots" theme, but it is an intriguing, gritty show for adults, and frankly worlds beyond your series, and apparently your ability to comprehend. And sorry, but that applies to the acting as well. Wow, a guy smoking cigars and hitting on chicks in the '70s? Yeah, that was really unheard of, pal. BTW, there is plenty of smoking, drinking, cussing and frakkin' going on in the new series, by far more than the original. And frankly, it's just asinine to act as though a woman can't play an action role. There are women fighting for this country and many others right now who could turn you inside out, you dolt. And "stardoe" happens to be about 300 times as sexy as you ever were.
Seriously, how frakkin' weak.
I like the new series for the gritty realizm that it brings to BG however, I do miss the fun of the original show. What is sad is that the original show was an us (human) against them (Cylon) show while the new one is pretty much us against us with them sitting back and watching humans kill one another. I have no problem with the new more human and sexy cylons but it would be more interesting if they teamed up with the remaining humans to fight off the bad metal cylons.
I never missed an episode of the original BG. It was great camp and SF in a time when there was very little science fiction around. It is sad the way the suits have twisted the show and the genders and made a visually stimulating program but an emotional wasteland.
Dirk,
As a 49 year old dame, I have to say that I have always loved a "man's man". Even back when the show was first on you not the ever cute and wholesome Apollo were my favorite. You are the best, never change.
Amen and Amen!
Taking on responsibility, staying true to your values, and possessing inner strength are masculine virtues? Funny, I thought they were human virtues. I guess I'm just one of those masculinized, de-feminized victim women for thinking that, then.
Dirk, what always sucked about the A-Team was that nobody ever got killed.
Please tell me you fought with the suits to notch at least one kill!
Dirk, I loved your piece. I tracked it down from your NRO online interview. I must admit I never thought of the new show in those terms before… I think I was one of those "sucked up" in the magic of a "new" Battlestar. I loved your character for the same reason I loved Han Solo, because you guys were not the spit-polished, goody-two shoes type. You broke the rules and you got all the women:) You didn't take s@%& from anyone, and you were so cool!
I wasn't very happy when they made Starbuck a girl. It changed the whole dynamic between Starbuck and Apollo that I loved in the original. I'll watch it now and then, mainly for the chicks (I know that makes me a bad, bad man!!!), but you are absolutely right this show is the personification of all that is wrong with the world. And I am not saying women aren't great in the craft, or that they deserve a lesser role in society. I just think men need to be allowed to be men. We need more Jack Bauer's in the world and less Ryan Seacrest's. Down with the New Castratee! Let's bring the men back.
Keep up the great writing Dirk!
I can just see the Re-imaginators casting Queen Latifah as Mr. T with ovaries.
Dirk Benedict,
If I ever see you in person be prepared for the worst ass beating of your frakked up, middle aged, washed up life.
Go to Hell, sir.
No, no, no,no… Not Queen Latifah… Queen Obama! Sleeveless, natch.
No, re-read my list. Nothing in your paraphrased list is quite what I outlined in the original post.
As a culture, we can all respect certain universal values, but there are definitely certain ones which are associated with one gender or another. It's not that women shouldn't have those virtues, too, but in the feminized culture of liberalism, those virtues of family, strength, leadership, fatherhood, toughness, and fighting when fighting needs to be done are DE-valued. We are taught they are BAD things. That's the porblem.
[...] realize I’m like a month late, but I just got around to reading Dirk Benedict’s rant about the current BSG. You can’t not love an article with a line like this: Women are from [...]
As I read through Dirk's article/opinion piece, I said, "Hmmm, I wonder how long until some lib is gonna chastise the author for whining that his role had been erased." Thx, Randy, for filling that void. Gosh, what would we do without your ever-so-predictable point.
I find my self torn about whether to comment and give you more of the attention you so obviously are pleading for, or to let you know exactly how reprehensible I find this piece of ill-educated drivel.
First of all, the very idea of someone, in this day and age, actually saying that women "hand out" babies is possibly the most offensive misogynistic comment I think I've ever read and completely absurd. I am a woman. I assure you I possess all of the anatomical components thereof, and yet I would much rather have a cigar than a baby And yet, this does not make me a man or a lesbian, as I'm sure you would suggest, the way that all men of your caliber do when presented with a woman who possesses her own sense of purpose.
Second, I would like to respond to another statement you've made on the record, about how acting is a profession for 14 year olds. As a trained actor, I find it offensive that you would mock the ability and time required to do something that you, yourself, have done. Perhaps because your psyche remains entrenched in that age bracket, you feel the need to suggest such a thing, but this statement is clearly the railings of an idiot who is angered at the success he failed to achieve. (And, if your response to this is to draw my attention to the peons who have pledged their love and devotion to you on this page, I would point out that millions of idiot, terrorists and dictators also had followers. This makes their statements and philosophies no less absurd.)
What exactly threatens you about this Starbuck? Is it the fact that she actually achieves a fan following and an audience not entirely comprised of idiots from backwoods though patterns? Is it the fact that she's a far better actor on her worst day than you were on your best? Or is it simply that she's the many, many women that have rejected you throughout your lifetime, which were most assuredly your inspiration to create a character who got so many women on a regular basis. As sad as it is that you turned to acting to become something that you never could on your own, please do not mistake this for the goal of every actor.
You are a tragic, shadow of an educated human being and to suggest that you drop dead is, perhaps, letting you off to lightly. I can only wish that this castration had been physical rather than symbolic. Allowing you to procreate would be one of this world's most horrific mistake.
Please shut up.
[...] Here’s another blog post by Mr. Benedict. And yet another. Suffice to say, he’s not happy with the new [...]
Mr. Benedict's article may greatly overstate the merits of the original BSG, which was campy and silly in many ways ("Whoever thought the future would be so much like the 70s?"), and to which I have no emotional attachment (and there are things I like about the new series). But, he's absolutely right about the depiction of the men in the current BSG as weak, the women strong, the interaction between the two unbelievable, and the degree to which this reflects the current cultural "go girl" outlook. In my opinion, the only believable woman on the new BSG is the President.
If you think otherwise, ask yourself whether there is a male character on any show currently on TV who behaves like the new Lt. Starbuck (or many of the other women characters on the show)? Even Jack Bauer doesn't. What would the reaction be if anyone were to create a male character like this, nowdays? I think we all know the answer. If this behavior is now condemned in men, why is celebrated in women characters?
Also, much has been made about how the series' depiction of women is validated by our coed military. This is simply wrong. If women, for example, can fight bare-knuckled against men, as was shown in one episode, then why does our military have separate and double-standards for men and women, and why have tasks routinely performed by men been re-defined (re-imagined?) allowing for more people to do them? And, incidentally, acceptance of women soldiers/sailors within our forces is nowhere near as strong as some claim – any male soldier saying otherwise publicly would see his career tank and have to listen to his female comrades shriek – just as the degree to which women are actively fighting in Iraq/Afghanistan has been greatly overstated and mis-stated – and yes, I know what I'm talking about and can support that claim, heck the military's own data demonstrate it.
Dang, I discovered this article just today and, boy howdy, what bullpucky from everyone's favorite washed up science fiction 'star."
I remember at 13 years old rushing home to see the original Battlestar Galactica and how cool it was to see "Star Wars" on tv, which even as a new teenager I knew was a complete RIP OFF of the Star Wars ethos, if not mythos. As much as I was entertained, I knew that after those first few glorious episodes that Battlestar Original Recipe was a corny, overacted, badly written piece of fluff which I lost interest in about 4 episodes short of its single season cancellation.
Mr. Benedict, you know who was among the corniest actors on BSG? It was you. Yes, your Starbuck — the only role of note you've ever had — is a beloved icon, but I am of the opinion that is more in spite of your hackneyed, scenery chewing attempt at acting.
What is galling about this "article" is that it smacks of sour grapes and jealousy. Ronald Moore's BSG lasted four years. Katee Sackoff is a sought after rising star. And the character seems to have more balls than Benedict's ever had.
So, Dirk, if you check back on these boards and as much as I was a fan back in the day, consider me one no longer. Why don't you try to book a role as a corspe on one of the CSI's or maybe get a Boniva commercial or something. maybe then you wouldn't be so bitter.
>Ron Moore's version takes the genre to a whole new level of intrigue and sophistication.
How can anyone who's seen the SPINAL TAP movie not read that and start to giggle? As a reminder:
Derek Smalls, bass guitar: "Now, I mean a song like Sex Farm, … we take a sophisticated view of sex…"
Filmmaker Marti de Bergi: "On a farm."
[...] original blog post lamenting the moral squalor of the Battlestar Galatica remake can be found here (note: language advisory) SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title:’Original Battlestar Galatica’s Dirk Benedict Takes On [...]
Wow, a nobody who had no life, who doesn't understand the ethos of Starbuck nor the original Galactica. Dirk is right. This show doesn't deserve the Galactica logo. It's lost its way. It has no sense of good/evil, right/wrong; indeed, it openly ridicules many of the themes of the original Galactica itself. It's a travesty.
There was no need for a reinvented Galactica. There was reason to continue on with the old series, and bring it up to date, with modern production values and scriptwriting. Next Generation, not Degeneration, that is what should have been.
I can't say that I agree with much at all the Dirk has stated in this post. Maybe because I don't have the fond memories of the original BSG, though I have seen it. Frankly, the comparison between the original series and the re-imagined is moot. They are entirely different types of shows. The original was mainly a family friendly marketing ploy to make a profit off the success of Star Wars, and it was decent as such. The new series uses its bleak, dark setting to try and portray a more realistic view of science fiction, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is not a family show, not for kids, and not meant to be a simplistic good vs evil story. It asks tough questions and doesn't apologize for it. It isn't trying to be morally ambiguous, but instead attempting to show that in real life there are no absolutely good, flawless characters and absolutely evil monsters. We're all shades of gray and our flaws are what make us human, and perhaps what makes us worthy of survival. Seems like a good message for a show to have.
Lastly I want to say that Dirk's view of women is just downright shameful. Yes, women in television can play key roles, part of the whole being equal human beings thing. Honestly, I want more hot, powerful lead female characters. Make's any show worth watching.
Final Message: You're career has gone downhill man and that ain't Ron Moore's or Katee Sackhoff's fault.
Having watched the new BSG, all I can do is rename it "Lost" in space
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Sorry, Typo.
I was a fan of the original BG and I have watched the new BG as well. It is impressive in its production values (but a little lacking in interesting stories).
However, the point I am writing to make is this: Back when the original BG was cancelled, I said at the time to my friends that the decision was politically-oriented — The original BG had a very Reagan-esque perspective on things, and there were numerous parallels to then-current world affairs, especially of course to US-Soviet relations (which were everyone's main concern). But it was clear that Hollywood (liberal beyond measure, even then) would not tolerate the communication of conservative (I called them pragmatic) views, and so that meant the end of BG.
Now the new BG is slicker, but this time the message is the one that the liberal Suits want us to swallow. They are just like the new Cylons: look like us but don't act or think like us; they are insidious and ready to take us down in stealth mode before we ever realize that they are there.
The "new" BSG is awful. The people who like it "believe" it's great, but it's simply boring and muddled and nutless. Dirk is right, and he's right for the reasons he discusses.
If you were so sensitive to BSG ripping-off Star Wars, perhaps you might have noticed how much Star Wars ripped-off the Dune series.
Be careful, TattooedPilot.
Dirk is a conservative, a group of people know to have (a) good fighting skills and (b) lots of guns.
Just trying to prevent a brother from winding up in the ICU.
DS9Sisko wrote
"What is galling about this "article" is that it smacks of sour grapes and jealousy. Ronald Moore's BSG lasted four years. Katee Sackoff is a sought after rising star. And the character seems to have more balls than Benedict's ever had."
*The new BSG lasted four seasons ONLY because it aired on a niche cable channel, Sci-Fi. Thus a "hit" on Sci-Fi only has to appeal to a few million viewers. If not for this reason, the new BSG would have been axed after Season 1 as occurred with the new Bionic Woman.
*Speaking of the new BW, is that flop something Sackhoff should be proud of? At least, Benedict's followup to the old BSG, A-Team, was a popular classic series that lasted several seasons.
Who's really jealous of whom?
*Finally, what's this obsession among White liberal feminists trying to turn women into men? I bring this up because I don't know any educated BLACK women trying to be men in terms of dress or behavior.
Exhibit A: contrast Hillary Clinton with Michelle Obama
@ADM
You make a great point. New BSG fans slam the classic Starbuck for being a womanizer, but cheer when the new Starbuck sleeps with every guy she meets.
Can new BSG fans show some moral consistency?
@Dave Owens
Don't be insulting. Lost is a much better show than the new BSG. This may explain why I encounter more "Lost" fans at work than "BSG" fans. (Only ONE of my co-workers watch the new BSG.)
Yet, I wonder if the new BSG's moral relativism and bleakness is why the show isn't mainstream in terms of ratings. In an era of "gritty" TV shows, the new BSG seems like more of the same.
Newsweek's Joshua Alston further expounds on this point:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177742
So, is it any wonder that Stargate SG-1 lasted a decade while the new BSG is getting axed after five years? In this climate, the most radical thing a show can do is have clearly defined heroes and villains.
One more thing. Thanks to comic retailer Steve Bennett for commenting on the Newsweek story:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/14035.html
He has a point about Starbuck. Surely, there's no reason to turn the manliest character into a woman if she's going to end up acting like a man anyway. It's either change for change's sake or a publicity stunt. I favor the latter, especially since you can't argue that the dramatic potential of a female Starbuck was too fertile to ignore, given that Starbuck isn't the only manly woman on the show. The more important point, though, is that they took away Starbuck without adding another rakish male. The rest of them are either stoic, angry, or depressed. Same problem with the recent Star Wars update. It was all men in robes discussing the fate of the Republic. No fun-loving characters unrelated to the over-arching plot. Except the robots and Jar-Jar. They weren't enough.
Can't agree with Dirk on such a publicity stunt being somehow immoral. After all, everyone knows the original Starbuck was a capitalization on the popularity of Han Solo.
As for the moral ambiguity issue, yeah, that's starting to wear thin. I quite enjoyed the new Battlestar for a couple of seasons. The main draws were the power struggle between Adama and Rosalind and the inner struggle of Gaius Baltar. Those three gave me an anchor. I knew the former had good hearts, while the latter was pure evil. Since neither Adama nor Rosalind currently know what the heck they're doing, and Baltar hasn't done anything outlandish since his nuclear bomb exploded (so far as I recall), the show has grown ever more boring. Make that boring and confusing.
Not sure when it jumped the shark, exactly. Maybe when they landed on "New Caprica". More likely when the new Cylons revealed themselves (to the tune of Bob Dylan, go figure). Definitely by the time Earth turned out to be burnt to a crisp. This nonsense with Starbuck as the destroyer is downright silly.
As for the critics who claim to love the ambiguity, I won't take their word for it. Baltar was by far the most acclaimed character early on, from what I read, and there was never any doubt that he was a villain. Rember how exciting it was, when the Six (is that right?) popped into his head, and we all knew he was about to invoke evil to avoid danger? Has there been anything as exciting since the trial concluded? The show has clearly suffered from a nicer, friendlier Baltar, who coincided with the awfully relativistic "final six" and rebel cylon storylines, more or less. Relativism is the sort of thing critics think they like, especially when they're reviewing indie films. Then stuff comes along like Slumdog Millionaire, The Dark Night, Milk, and Wall-e, and they bask in the glow of right and wrong.
TV Guide reported that Glen Larson is planning a movie based on the classic BSG:
http://www.tvguide.com/JumpTheShark/Frak-Universa...
Well, this puts a new spin on this debate.
I don't know all of the details about how they came to the conclusion Season 4 would be the last, but what I've heard repeated again and again by the cast and crew of the series, and by SciFi itself is that the creators of the show decided to end it now. They believed they had reached the ending point of the story they wanted to tell, and didn't want to drag it on beyond that. SciFi also knows better than to go only on Nielsen ratings, which are notoriously inacurate. They've probably noticed the dvd box sets flying off the shelves.
And if SciFi didn't view it as a successful series, why then did they recently order a full 18 episode first season for the new re-imagined BSG prequel series, Caprica?
Four seasons versus one season is still 4 to 1. Accept it. It's a fact.
How exactly do you consider the new BSG to be a "flop"? Critically acclaimed, Peabody award winning, and — yes — a hit for it's "niche" network. 4 to 1. Live with it.
"Who's really jealous of whom?" I'll say it again: Benedict, who hasn't had a good role since Starbuck, including that ridiculous A-Team, in which he basically played Starbuck-Lite.
Why do you even assume I care about Star Wars? LOL
I didn't like Star Wars when it first came out and I'm still not particularly fond of it, so your point — whatever point you were trying to make — is not only moot, but entirely irrelevant to mine about Mr. Benedict's sour grapes.
I just watched an episode of the new re-imagined BSG online. Wow, simply putrid. Forget the now seriously worn cliche'd hot action chick silliness, the dialogue and storyline are absolutely laughable. The brooding glares, the silly overscored background directing the viewer what emotion he should feel.
Now I know why this is stuck at the back of basic cable TV show with a paltry 1.6 rating. You shouldn't even waste your time commenting on it, Dirk.
Not really anything significant. Larson has always owned the movie rights and Ron Moore isn't interested in doing a movie version of the new BSG so Universal is just cashing in where it can get in.
If Larson does actually make a "new" version of his original series, then the only spin it will give people is more stuff to argue about. At least the purists won't have anything to lose their minds over anymore.
Why do I assume? Because you use two words, ethos and mythos, when only one was necessary (and applicable). Look up ethos before you use it.
I'm not here to question your point, which, at first glance, appears to be to sound more learned than you are, but merely the "facts" you use to preface your "Dirk is full of sour grapes" argument. I seriously doubt at 13 you formulated this opinion you now claim to hold, and you've had plenty of time to discover what a rip-off Star Wars was. You're free continue feeling about Mr. Benedict as you wish.
Personally, I realize how campy those kids' shows were and I still maintain a fondness for them, nonetheless. I wouldn't watch a minute of it today, because my tastes have changed. Just try to enjoy the memories of those old shows, like I do for Star Wars (despite having read the Dune saga), and save your venom for someone more deserving than Faceman.
PS – Starbuck should NOT be a woman!
Fred2, Insult right back at ya. Both shows should be prescribed for insomniacs. Cuckoo's Nest on an island,and Cuckoo's Nest in outer space. It's like the old Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea. What kind of monster can we dream up this week? Plots! We don't need no stinking plots! BSG has 3 more episodes. My guess is they'll wind up on the island with the rest of the schizoids.
I have to agree with you. The old show was pretty bad. It was a knock-off of "Star Wars"! Everyone knew it. The show was canceled after one season. The producers tried to recreate it as "Galatica 1980" but that show died quickly.
When an actor can't let go of a character he played 30 years ago, that is pretty sad. Then trying to elevate himself to the level of Mr. Green and Mr. Astaire is nuts. The character of Starbuck, a cigar chomping rogue was hardly original.
Most of the people on this thread have never seen the new show. They all seem caught up in their childhood fantasies. Katee Sackhoff is a great actress who has created a brilliant character. Why can't people appreciate the hard work of Ms. Sackhoff.
Edward James Olmos' Adama is an incredible man. He loves and fights fiercely. I dare anyone to question the masculinity of Saul Tigh.
As for moral ambiguity, I'm not sure what Mr. Benedict watched but there is no question that the Cylons were evil in their murdering of millions of humans. What the show also shows is that slavery begets revolution. And forgiveness is the answer (shockingly, if anyone watched the show, he would understand that is a Christian theme).
Look at Richard Hatch. Hatch, the original Apollo, found an incredible role on the new BSG as Tom Zarek. Hatch created a complex politician as incredibly good and evil as any real Washington insider.
Benedict waxes on and on about the A-Team. The A-Team? What a horrible series that was. Has anyone tried watching that show as an adult? It was written for 6-year-olds. Again, look at all the people here who can't get over their childhood fantasies. The show was bad.
Finally, I thought being conservative was about taking personal responsibility. Mr. Benedict blames his career on failure on women. Could it be that he was not a great actor or mismanaged his career?
The re-imagined Starbuck is about as heterosexual as a woman can be.
Wasn't part of the substance of this article dealing with Mr. Benedict's choice to move back to his home state to raise his family? Sisko, do you now claim to possess intimate knowledge of his real reasons for leaving Hollywood, i.e., he couldn't get any gigs? I seriously doubt someone would leave that or any business without a good reason — a reason Mr. Benedict has given, in fact — and you've no proof that he failed at securing acting jobs before leaving Hollywood.
Concerning BSG on the Sci-Fi network, that "channel" couldn't carry the jock of any of the Big 3 networks (cicra 1979) in terms of potential audience. Not even close to being a hit.
Isn't Hybrid a nickname for drag queen?
It's always amusing when the HuffPo and DailyKos creeps look up from their lattes long enough to to make themselves feel important by posting lies on pieces like this. For instance, none of the posts from angry women are actually made by women, and any female claiming combat experience is lying.
Good points. Especially now in this global recession what people want, IMO, is escapist fantasy that's uplifting and light. Not something that's dark and dreary. The Stargate series may have been silly but they were fun to watch, most of the time.
Actually it was APOLLO that was originally named SKYLAR, IIRC. Though you're probably right about the changes originally being done more for PR value than anything else. If they really wanted to do something "edgy" the new Starbuck could have been a lesbian and had an affair with the new Boomer.
It depends on what they do. As I understand there's, what, at least three or four extant version of the original BSG "Saga of a Starworld" story out there? 1) The original screen play; 2) The teleplay as it was greenlit by the evil "suits"; and 3) the novelization. Well, okay, four if you include 4) the comic book adaptation(s).
But Larson may decide to do his own "re-envisioning". Might be interesting. Could be a total clusterfark.
Too many comments to scan through so I'll just ask: Isn't this an old article?
I seem to recall reading something similar way back when the mini series first came out. No matter it gave me an excuse to post a nice little rant of my own: http://cosmic-cinema.blogspot.com/2009/02/dirk-be...
Enjoy!
Actually oBSG technically had two seasons/series. Not that anyone remembers Galactica 1980. Too, OBSG spawned several "telefilms" edited for theatrical release in the European market. Which probably explains SPACE MUTINY. But what's it matter? Without oBSG there would be no nBSG. It's like trying to compare Buck Rogers in the 25th century to the Buck Rogers serials, they're each products of their time and can be appreciated (or not) on their own merits.
Dave, I was being sarcastic about the "Lost/BSG" comment.
The "flop" I referred to was the Bionic Woman remake starring Sackhoff. That show lasted just one season.
By contrast, A-Team, Benedict's follow-up to the old BSG, lasted four seasons and was a major hit.
Hence, Sackhoff needs at least one more long-running (4+ seasons) TV series before she could be considered popular outside the new BSG.
That's why I asked: who's really jealous of whom?
Wow. This article is four years old and everyone is treating it like he just wrote it. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy this little gem is still out ruffling feathers. The original Battlestar Galactica is amazing. Starbuck IS Dirk Benedict (not the other way around). He owned that role in a way not many can pull off. Anyone else is just playing a character.
Indeed Mike, there are those of who still believe…
Here, here, Kester!
I love these people who bash old TV shows based on current tastes. Admit you once like BSG, Sisko, and move on.
Good points, Dirk! I was a big fan of the original BG series. At first, I disliked some of the changes made in the new BG, but it so much better than anything else in the 21st Century TV wasteland that I quickly came to appreciate it. The borderline-psychotic, rebellous, female tomboy Starbuck of the new BG, though interesting, has turned out to be a much less appealling character than your charming rogue of the original BG.
You are correct that the original series was more straightforward in its presentation and had a clearer black-and-white morality to it. The bad-guy Cylons were basically the Nazis (as reptilian cyborgs) bent on racial genocide and the good-guy/victim Humans were the Jews, fleeing the 12 Colonies (aka.. Occupied Europe) in search of the promised land of Earth (Israel). The religious imagery was very much Old Testament Judaism with Kobol as Ancient Egypt, and the 12 Tribes of Humanity (Israel) leaving and traveling through a void in space (desert) to found their 12 Colonies eons ago and then to search for Earth in the present.
The whole aircraft carrier and jet fighters in space aspect of BG was obviously necesssary to make this a Sci-Fi show, but the basic storyline was Jewish survival of Nazi-era genocide as opposed to the jumble of mythologies and histories that were combined into Star Wars.
The new BG is more gray in its morality. The new Cylons are definitely more complicated than the old Nazi-style Cylons. Multiple Sci-Fi sources have inspired this show, as opposed to the original BG which was influenced mostly by the original Star Wars. In the new BG, there is the Isaac Asimov theme of robots/slaves becoming self-aware and rebelling agaionst their human creators/masters. The humanoid Cylons are basically the replicants from Blade Runner (a less successful Harrison Ford sci-fi film). Memory transfer was an aspect of the Bene Gesseritt order in Frank Herbert’s Dune novelss, as well as of the post-”Return of the Jedi” Star Wars novels about the Emperor Palpatine.
The humans in the new BG that are very different. The storyline is more Greco-Roman mythology and less Old Testament Judaism. The 50,000 surviving humans are more obviously damaged psychologically by the Cylon genocide than in the original BG, which downplayed that issue. This results in greater turmoil among the surviving humans and less unity than in the original BG.
Perhaps the least realistic aspects of the new BG are the utter lack of discipline in the military ranks and the rapid reintroduction of a democratic civilian government. Following the Cylon genocide, the martial law and discipline of Admiral Cain and the Pegasus seems a more likely governing model than the barely-contained chaos of Adama and Gallactica. Under the circumstances that humanity finds itself after the Cylon genocide, only martial law and autocratic rule (perhaps in conjunction with President Rosalin) makes any sense whatsoever until Earth or another habitable planet can be settled. The original series largely avoided all of this this by making Adama a combined military/political/religious leader.
Are you sure some of you people are not confusing Space 1999 and Battlestar?
[...] Who Else Hates Battlestar Galactica? “Starbuck.” For you see, TV shows (and movies) are made and sold according to the same business formula [...]
I for one find the re-imagined show far more politically and socially relevant that the old. I for one like the new Starbuck, and I am just sad that you seem to think that women replacing men in a show or film is some form of affirmative action.
The times have changed, the Cold War is over, and so is the era of thinking the bad guy is wholly evil. People know now that your enemy has motivations, perhaps even mirroring your own. People don’t want to see thinly veiled propaganda any more.
It’s a shame that unlike Richard Hatch, you haven’t been able to move on.
Titov, I can tell by your reply that you are clearly a homosexual.
Ah-hahahahahaha! *snort* Yeah whatever, Dirk. It's plainly never crossed your mind that the network suits were trying to tell you that acting requires more than just smoking cigars and leering at women – and posting a rambling, self-indulgent whinge that basically says Katee Sackhoff should be at home breastfeeding instead of stealing your thunder kind of undercuts the "Last Real Man of Television" pose you're trying to strike here. All I'm hearing is a bitter, aging pretty-boy D-lister trying to blame everyone but himself for his career failures. Thanks for the belly laugh though. Cheers!
BTW, you and Richard Hatch don't look at all gay in that promo pic.
[...] a tad homophobic, some of Faceman from the A-Team’s thoughts on Hollywood ring true, especially as they relate to the fact that it’s hard to find [...]
I disagree. B.Galactica was a great show. I just bought the entire set ( I grew up watching it as a 12 year old) and I want my son to see it as well. It has good morals, "good vs. bad" and great galactic fight scenes in it. Dirk, I'm a big fan and your article is well-thought and very articulate. I also loved the A-Team.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find it amusing that Benedict's comments come out as the series is winding down. Rather than commenting when the new series began, and risk pissing off "execs" that might cast him (next to the already cast Richard Hatch) in the new series, he kept his mouth shut until it was clear and obvious he wasn't going to be asked back.
And let's not forget that the original BSG was basically, "Mormons in Space" — there were many influences there. (http://www.michaellorenzen.com/galactica.html)
Dirk:
Coming to this thread late. I am the "slightly portly' guy that came up to you at Denver's StarFest and said all those things about how we all used to sit in the Dayroom at the barracks in Fitzsimmons AMC and watch "Battlestar" while I was in the Army. I meant every word I said, and even more, but its hard to try to remain calm and not go freaky fanboy with an actor who brought to life a guy I liked, related to, and tried to emulate, (no smoking and gambling, but I sure did my best with the women!) It was the 70's, and just as many females objectified me as I did them. And in no way were we gender confused.
Stick to your blaster, Starbuck. I root for the Cylons in the new series. And I write fanfic with that background of theirs that makes sense, not the confused hiss of static generation we're watching. We could all just figure out a way to do webisodes with the new look and the old style; I'll help write it. We'll make you, "wiser but still irrepressible Starbuck" and get Herb to play "restraining Boomer" as your second in command. I like Richard, and I know folks need work, so we'll make him "President of the Quorum", and you two can ignore his suggestions even more than your characters did.
Still the best line: "Lord, I'll do whatever you want tomorrow…just don't call an alert tonight."
Bless you guys for being there when we had the need of a getaway from work.
Where were you in TV?
(crickets chirping)
Yeah…thought so.
(See comment for Edith Prickly)
Snore…
[...] Will Anders play along with their request to jump? What role will the good ship Battlestar Anderstica play? Should we prepare for God’s arrival? Although if so, I doubt he’ll be played by Dirk Benedict, as he’s a cranky S.O.B. [...]
Dirk Benedict's is a VERY sound look at that "Desperate Housewives in space meet Screamers on Pensacola" show.
Just chiming in as a girl to say that this doesn't offend me. XD Neither do I agree with it all, but I do believe that it is perfectly fine for men and women to have different roles. Not necessarily "cigars vs babies", but I don;t like making the men look weak so that the women can appear strong in comparison. And the idea that dark'n'gritty = mature'n'deep is deeply annoying for me.
I'd totally agree. Dirk totally inhabited that character. Still and all, in some ways I wish he would have kept his mouth closed so that they might have offered him an opportunity to possibly bring some "charm" into the show. And, as a woman, I'd agree that men have been brow-beaten into being something other than what men were naturally meant to be. No body wants a man to be a rude, inconsiderate, leering bulls, but I for one would like to see men (including my 11-year old son) to be able to actually be male! And I'd like to be treated like a lady again.
[...] iré tan lejos como el Starbuck original, el actor Dirk Benedict (el Phoenix del Equipo A), que en su blog puso a caer de un burro la nueva versión de su serie. “Starbuck perdido en la castración”, tituló un post [...]
I was a fan of the original Gallactica. and at first dreaded this remake.
I mean, the destruction of their civilization is followed by a visit to a planatary Las Vegas!
From memory, the one show that was actually mature was the "fire in space" ep. real drama, real tension. Great script.
I love the orininal Gallactca, always will, along with Voyage to the Bottom of Sea, it was perfect "mid-sci-fi" for kids who were beyond "Lost in Space" (although the first episode of that is far better than most sci/fi at the time)
The retelling of the story, well there will always be people on both sides of the fence. But the reaction to some friends who had heard about it, and enjoyed the original when I put it in my home theater was intersting. "BSG? I like it and all, Loved it actually, but it's a kids show, cant we watch something less campy?"
They reacted like I was putting in Land of yhe Lost (which I'm not ashamed to say I also love, and watch with my grandson… original only!)
After the DVD was over they were astounded and begging for more.
I think that the show helped (some of us) worth through real life trauma's throug a fictonal universe, much like Star Trek did in it's time.
But to show the originals place in all our hearts, whenever there was a nod, a visual, a music cue, a prop from the original, everytime I was with a group of people, we all gave a litle cheer, and when the final episode had original cylons! a major shout! And the music as she sailed into the sun… tears.
Gallactica is far from dead, They are the best ships in the fleet, for two different times.
A woman is not a castrated man.
I would hardly call Boomer Valerii, Gina Inviere, Caprica Six (baby-killer), or Helena Cain any sort of role models.
And I would hardly call Bill Adama, Saul Tigh, or Karl Agathon punks.
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[...] Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Lt. Starbuck … Lost In Castration. bighollywood.breitbart.com/dbenedict/2009/01/19/lt-starbuck–lost-in-castration – view page – cached Once upon a time, in what used to be a far away land called Hollywood (but is now a state of mind and everywhere), a young actor was handed a script and asked to bring to life a character called Starbuck. I am that actor. The script was called “Battlestar Galactica.” — From the page [...]
Dirk, You are still the honest intellectual who wrote Confessions of a Kamikaze Cowboy, which I am almost finished reading now. I am going to look for more books, etc. you have written. I agree that the old and original are generally more creative and better done. The world keeps losing more and more elegance and charm–actually, I think it may be gone. Thank G-d for our thrift stores, like Good Will and Salvation Army, where we can still find old quality books, music, videos, jewelry, paintings, clothing, eyeglasses, etc. etc. The longer people are living now, the better the chance that the old things in homes today will find a place in thrift stores for many years to come. Also, the new TV station RetroTV is showing two of your TV shows, as well as the 1950's Mike Hammer and early 1960's Alfred Hitchcock. Thanks for caring. Please continue to write.
I peed in a horse once.
True Story.
[...] more that can be said about this, but rather than write pages and pages more, everyone should read what Dirk Benedict, the original and only Starbuck had to say about it in a piece called, Lt. Starbu…. (Run, do not walk to that webpage. It’s that [...]
Meh… I more-or-less totally agree with you on the reality-twisting evil of feminism, but I think your debasement of the new BSG is way over the top. Perhaps my perspective is limited because I've never really seen the original, or perhaps because the original is less relevant to my/this generation, but I think the re-imagined series is fascinating and compelling.
So much of what you think was unnecessarily excluded in the remake – a top gun playboy, a manifest moral alignment (either fully evil or fully good) , a happy-go-lucky, optimistic naivete – are all well and good, but have become, in this day and age, not only quite stale, but quite unrealistic. As much as we in modern society enjoy these classic themes, we now understand the world to be a much more complicated place, and some of our artistic creations reflect that understanding, and thus are often all the more complex themselves.
Also, it would seem that very little, if any, of the re-imagining – such as "Stardoe" – had anything to do with pervasive feminism. "Stardoe", as you refer to the character, is not intended to be depicted as the epitomical "girl power" poster figure, but rather an abnormal, against-the-grain tomboy who, rather than being a prime example of female competence, is arguably the most messed-up, dysfunctional character in the series, whose only saving grace is her surprisingly uncanny skill behind a joystick. The majority of the remaining female cast, besides some occasional and situation-appropriate "military-regulation" toughness, are portrayed as being more traditionally feminine. Olmos' Adama, on the other hand, as one of the most pivotal characters, radiates, with consistent intensity, a tough, iron-fisted masculinity throughout the duration of the show.
I would like to respond to this article, this attack on feminism and remakes and moral ambiguity and complexities….
As a woman, as a teacher, as a writer, as an avid Sci-Fi fan….my response is "DAMNED SKIPPY"!
Dirk,
Even with the bitterness apparent in your article, you were dead on with the affects of feminism and political correctness on entertainment in general and on BSG in specific.
Now, I will admit my age… I grew up watching the Orginial BSG, and A Team. I will also admit to finding in you one of my first crushes, an object of fantasy and lust. My question is, why is it so wrong that women fantasize and lust after real men, men who have a soft side but it doesnt' manifest itself in wishy washy pansy type actions and emotional instability? Why are we told today that we should only hold the sensitive types, the mentally anguished types, the apologetic for being a man types as heros and lust objects? Its ridiculous!
Thank you for this article.
April
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[...] links to and seems to have been partly inspired by Dirk Benedict’s (note: anti-feminist) Lt. Starbuck … Lost In Castration also bemoaning the current Battlestar [...]
Mr. Benedict–back in the 1980s I saw your performance as HAMLET and read with surprise an interview in which you claimed Olivier didn't understand the role. Quite simply, you were terrible in that role and clearly understood little or nothing about the play. Your disparaging remarks about the re-imagined BSG are in the same vein. It was a show that took ideas seriously, viewed women as something other than girlfriends and nurses, and realized that finding a way through despair and difficult situations is much more impressive than any combination of smiles, winks and saccharine bromides. Seemed to me the new show was filled to the brim with interesting, strong characters of both genders dealing with the essential premise of the show (i.e. survivors of a genocide looking for a new home) seriously. I don't doubt some people take their fandom of this (like any) show too far, but then you are taking the time to actually disparage all those who *like* the show so you can hardly complain if they defend it and themselves.
You got old
There's a reason actors are paid for their looks and not their intelligence; as evidenced here, most are sorely lacking in the latter. Take your anti-woman claptrap and shove it up your ass, provided you can find it with both hands.
Face it, faceguy. You are old and "demodé". I was a fan of the first Galactica show, but it was a childish story, with plain characters (yes, including the Starbuck-womanizing-faceman role character). And the new Starbuck rocks!
[...] — the man who played the original Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica and Faceman in The A-Team — ranting about the castration of manly entertainment. Naturally, reading all that made me want to jump into the topic here and [...]
[...] and Faceman in The A-Team — ranting about the castration of manly [...]
Ahahahaha! I know this is old but it's still so funny.
Could you be any more pathetically sexist and bitter? Katee Sackhoff kicked your ass; accept it.
Dirk, first let me say i was a big fan of both shows, and i literally boycott the so called "re-imagination" of all the old classic TV shows that were trashed these days. What shocks me the most that no one is even trying to stop all this from happening, and i believe it's because they all got synthesized and need bigger "bang" to get an emotional response.
I think that if we took the original show, update the CGI, we'd get a show that would beat the new show hands down! and all that without altering a single line from it! I own the original show on TV with all it's movies and love every minute of it even today!
Best Wishes,
a Fan from Israel
Sefy
[...] much more that can be said about this, but rather than write pages and pages, everyone should read what Dirk Benedict, the original and only Starbuck had to say about it in a piece called, Lt. Starbu…. Run, do not walk to that webpage — it’s that [...]
Mr. Benedict,
You nailed it. They have lost their morality and have lost their soul and they are a reflection of the "public school values" of today. The people who have posted nonsense in the comments have no ability to grasp what they have missed and that is a shame.
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