Dear Media Matters: Keep Your Dirty Hands Off the Gay Community – And Our Kids
by Charles WinecoffIn October (LGBT History Month), I wrote a piece in defense of Obama’s openly gay “Safe Schools Czar,” Kevin Jennings. Mostly, I objected to the attacks on Jennings for his one-time, on-the-spot advice to a troubled, promiscuous teenage boy (urging him to practice safe sex – if the teen insisted on continuing to pick up men). I also disagreed with the inflammatory notion that Jennings’s admiration for gay rights pioneer (and legendary moonbat) Harry Hay was an endorsement of pedophilia.

Hay was not a pedophile. His big crime was being a hippie whose reason for waking up in the morning was to turn traditional sex roles upside down. Hay even hated the macho “clone” look that swept though the gay community in the 1970s-80s, which he viewed as a dangerous capitulation to straight concepts of masculinity. He relished playing devil’s advocate.
Unfortunately, Hay did lend his name in support of NAMBLA, mostly because the group had been rejected by mainstream gays, who were then still fighting to assimilate; in the counterculture universe of Harry Hay, that was a no-no. But NAMBLA was just another gender-bending mind game for the aging “Radical Faerie” founder, not his driving passion. Hay was no child molester; he was a kook – who enjoyed a committed, 40-year relationship with a man his own age that lasted until his death in 2002.
The point: gay people admire Harry Hay for his bravery in galvanizing gay men during the dark ages of the 1950s - not for his later, senile support of NAMBLA.
But back to Mr. Jennings. His taste in books stinks.
As if the “Fistgate” scandal wasn’t bad enough - and doesn’t keep getting worse – a cesspool tsunami of evidence recently hit shore regarding Jennings’s Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) and its approved reading list of sexually explicit material – aimed at adolescents - including a guide to gay bars that was distributed at a 2005 GLSEN conference.
And they wonder why drinking and drugs are so prevalent in the gay community. I hate to give up on a gay brother, but enough already. Jennings is either totally incompetent at keeping schools safe - or, hat tip to Bill Clinton, it all depends what the meaning of “safe” is.
Meanwhile, Media Matters for America has dived headfirst into the sewer to do some quick and dirty damage control, defending every unsavory turd that’s floated to the surface – by smearing the whistle blowers (including BigGovernment.com) as “haters.” The oldest trick in the “progressive” playbook.
So what exactly is Media Matters?
Well, Mediamatters.org describes itself as ”a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.” Translation: a Democratically-funded propaganda machine that spews out innuendo to challenge common sense – such as its 2007 report disputing America’s conservative core and asserting that the vast majority of US citizens are actually “progressive across a wide range of controversial issues.”
While I commend MMA for giving the American people more credit for open-mindedness than they usually get, what MMA views as “progressive,” and what most average citizens (myself included) view as “progressive,” are very different things.
For example, one of MMA’s senior fellows is Eric Boehlert, a passionate supporter of Sami Al-Arian, the University of South Florida professor who, after 9/11, was discovered to be the North American leader of a little organization called Palestinian Islamic Jihad. (That’s not a gay group.) Boehlert claimed that Al-Arian was merely a victim of America’s omnipotent, rightwing media complex – CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC – you know, the telegenic fronts for the Aryan Nations and Focus On the Family. (The KKK I could believe as that was a direct outgrowth of the Democrat Party – but I digress….)
Eric Boehlert
In traditional Stalinist fashion, MMA has systematically denounced, even ridiculed, anyone who objects to the inappropriate sex seminars sponsored by GLSEN – like Brian Camenker, the outspoken leader of MassResistance, the pro-family group based in Massachusetts (where “Fistgate” occurred). Camenker has compared his struggle with the “progressive” agenda in schools to the battle against the Nazis in WW2. His rhetoric may be overstated, but as MMA ”research” tries to paint Camenker as some kind of nut, the actual GLSEN reading list proves he is justified.
In 2007, Camenker complained that, ”A federal judge ruled that schools can show picture books to elementary school children about homosexual romance.” If only the GLSEN-approved books stopped there. Instead, these clunky tracts neglect love in favor of (far less universal) sexual practices that have nothing to do with the birds and the bees – and everything to do with (what is very often) compulsive adult behavior better suited to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders than to a seventh grade reader.
Kids are learning about the benefits of spitting versus swallowing when they should be reading Moby Dick.
The kinky, risky fetishes spilling out of these texts have been well-documented elsewhere. But what’s equally disturbing is the deadening, inhuman language of race/gender politics that is being foisted on unsullied, impressionable minds. Teenagers should be exposed to the colors, ideas, moral quandaries, literary innovations, and expansive worldviews of great authors - gay and straight, black and white, male and female - not the narrow, detached, theoretical manipulations of bitter Marxist hacks.
Case in point: GLSEN-recommended Revolutionary Voices: A Multicultural Queer Youth Anthology, edited by Amy Sonnie, a book that was banned by the Texas Youth Commission in 2002. The Cindy Sheehan of bookworms, Sonnie capitalized on her excommunication from Bush country with a blog called The Banned Librarian, on which she promotes (among other unoriginal causes) the “global intifada” against environmental and racial injustice, the whittling away of the Patriot Act – and the latest smears against Lou Dobbs (all supported, incidentally, with links to Media Matters “research”).
Revolutionary Voices is described on glsen.org as, “The first creative resource by and for queer and questioning youth of every color, class, religion, gender and ability… a collection of experiences, ideas, dreams, and fantasies expressed through prose, poetry, artwork, letters, diaries and performance pieces.” Translation: anything goes – no standards required (they might hurt someone’s feelings).
On page 205, a lesbian contributor offers this lesson in cultural Marxist tolerance, otherwise known as victimhood:
In many ways I have privilege: I am white, middle-class, and attending college. These factors grant me certain societally bestowed benefits. In other ways, I am systemically oppressed: as a woman, as a youth, as a person with cerebral palsy, as a bisexual queer. With these attributes, I fail to meet the optimal requirements for functioning in this white-supremacist, capitalist heteropatriarchy… If you are not part of the system in the optimal way (i.e., as a straight, white, middle-class or upwardly mobile, Christian male), you pose a threat to that dominant system.
Excuse me? As a white gay man, even I know that male caucasians are no longer anywhere near top of the totem pole in guilt-ridden, Euro-phobic America. Consequently, I thank God everyday for my homosexuality - the one weapon I have to survive in the PC jungle. Be that as it may, what possible good could it do a teenager to read this kind of hateful, narrow-minded, postmodern evangelism?
More importantly, where is the art? Where are the profound, humanistic thoughts that would – and should – qualify this as literature fit for school kids? By that standard alone, Revolutionary Voices has no place in any classroom. This is dead-end agitprop that won’t spark imagination or expand horizons – on the contrary, it’s designed to induce myopia, stir paranoia, and stunt the natural blooming of a child’s spirit.
But keeping people down – and in the dark – is the radical MO. It makes mass control much easier.
Not surprisingly, Kevin Jennings’s own Mama’s Boy, Preacher’s Son: A Memoir of Growing Up, Coming Out, and Changing America’s Schools is also on the GLSEN reading list. “Creating safe schools for all youth is now a central part of the progressive agenda in American education—and Kevin Jennings is at the forefront of that fight,” declares Beacon Press.
Which raises the question: what has “progressive” come to mean? Pigeon-holeing people before they’re even out of the gate, so that they never have a chance to feel part of the larger fabric of society? Indoctrinating babies to distrust the very country of their birth? That’s not progressive – it’s regressive.
Whether Jennings actually fired “Fistgate” instructor Margot Abels, whether or not he was aware of the graphic and inappropriate content of her seminar – or of the GLSEN-sanctioned smut – is almost irrelevant at this point (but not quite). No matter what the excuses are, or how many there are, something is rotten in GLSEN’s politically-correct agenda. “Tolerance” pushers have taken the intimacy out of sex and love, and turned the hardened, clinical dregs into a grim manifesto.
Schools do not need to be “queered.” Gay kids are still kids (who deserve the same respect and protection as their peers).

The first inkling a boy might get that his brain is wired differently than the rest of the team would probably be a terrible crush on another boy – that’s life, folks - not an overwhelming desire to start playing with fecal matter and urine. Once upon a time, being gay was about falling in love with another person who happened to be of the same sex. That’s what inspired much of the great gay literature of Christopher Isherwood, James Baldwin, Isabelle Holland, E.M. Forster, Mary Renault, Tennessee Williams, Annie Proulx – even Gore Vidal. Can we please get back to basics, and trust that our children, no matter how much testosterone they recieved in their first few months of life, can – and will – figure it out for themselves?
Ninety-nine percent of gay kids are the products of straight homes, so why force the issue with a claustrophobic “queer and questioning” curriculum? Are straight boys and girls encouraged by the state to go to titty bars and hook up with horny MILFs or divorced dads? Why this outrageous double standard when it comes to gay kids?
This is discrimination on a national level – all being done in the name of “progress.” And Media Matters keeps rushing to its defense. But then, Media Matters has no use for assimilated gay people. Media Matters only cares about gay people as long as they can be used as a tool to hammer Fox News.
The truth is that conservatives do not hate gay people. Haters hate gay people. And there are many gay Independents, gay Libertarians, and even – gasp! – gay Republicans who want to raise their kids as decently as their straight neighbors (and who don’t think “fisting” is as important as math). And just for the record, fisting isn’t even on the radar for most of us.
Media Matters is not helping the LGBT community. In fact, quite the opposite. By pointing fingers at concerned citizens and desperately trying to whitewash these biased educational affronts, MMFA is only reinforcing the perceived wedge between gays/lesbians - and their fellow Americans. It’s confused “tolerance” with the exploitation of minors, tossed commonality under the bus in favor of “queerness” – and wrapped separatism in a pretty package called “diversity.”
Meanwhile, forty years of real progress by the gay community is being hijacked – and crippled - to fuel an ideological surge in a vicious culture-war-to-the-death. Children are being used as pawns to tear down an imaginary enemy. And hate, not love, is the doctrine.
Liberals like to say that war is not the answer. Gays and lesbians need to realize just how much they stand to lose by not objecting to this brutal campaign.
Media Matters has no moral authority over us. This is one battle they don’t have to win.






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"Media Matters has no moral authority over us. This is one battle they don’t have to win."
This is one battle they can not and will not win.
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….."As if the “Fistgate” scandal wasn’t bad enough – and doesn’t keep getting worse – a cesspool tsunami of evidence recently hit shore regarding Jennings’s Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) and its approved reading list of sexually explicit material [LINK] – aimed at adolescents – including a guide to gay bars that was distributed at a 2005 GLSEN conference."
I really have no dog in this fight
But I can almost see rational conservative gay people going back in the closet with all the extreme radical gay agenda making all the news.
If the extreme radical gays don't get shunned it is gonna be bad for everyone
…."What do the irrational ones think? "
I do not know what the safe school CZAR thinks
It is infuriating, and very damaging to the majority of gay folks who just want to live and let live, that people like Jennings feel they can set the standard of gay values, perceptions and aspirations. Rather than promoting good choices among gay kids, with attention to the more particular risks that gay boys should be made aware, this Jennings clown is promoting the most irresponsible and high risk behavior. This is no different than teaching strait kids to shun abstinence and/or condoms in favor of casual sex, S&M, and an appearance on 'girls gone wild'. Jennings is of the mindset that a gay man is a sell out if he chooses to emulate Di Vinci over one of the dudes in Pacino's 'Cruising' movie. How is that helpful to kids who are exposed to unique risks? Jennings is selling destruction, and should not be allowed anywhere near children – gay or strait.
Gays, Latinos, Blacks, Women… Push them into their assigned boxes, seal them up tight, stack them in the corner under the sign "Progressive Coalition." Any individuals found wandering around loose have simply not been packaged yet, grab them and stick them in the box, which of course is where they really want to be.
This is what happens as liberals worry about "peoples" rather than "persons."
"His big crime was being a hippie whose reason for waking up in the morning was to turn traditional sex roles upside down."
To what end? And at what cost?
Certainly it is good to rethink our beliefs and rexamine our behaviors. Knee-jerk non-thinking is never good.
But knee-jerk "change" and the pointless destruction of values that serve a salubrious purpose is even worse. The way to imrove society is not to simply abandon all pretense of drawing distinctions between right and wrong and to embrace a kind of laissez-faire non-morality. "Traditional sex roles" aren't merely arbitrary paradigms of behavior imposed on people by…whom? They reflect the sum total of wisdom gleaned from thousands of generations of human experience and societal development. Supporting pedophilia, whether you practice it or not, is WRONG. Period. If we are to survive as a species we must treat our children as precious human beings, not as sperm receptacles.
perfectly said, as well
South Park had it right. Tolerance does not equal approval. We are already a very tolerant socieity. So now the definition of tolerance is not good enough. Tolerance is now being equated with approval by too many politically motivated groups. It is none of anyones business if I approve of what I tolerate. I for one say live and let live if it does no harm and especially does not affect me just don't expect me to approve of everything. That is where we are today. We have to approve and not jsut tolerate. This type of thinking usually has the unintended consequence of backfiring on those who want the forced approval and that is not just unfortunate but dangerous as well.
One of the best pieces I have read in I don't know how long. Thank you Charles.
I agree. So how does that apply to homosexuals?
And your evidence for this sweeping statement would be?
Homosexuality would appear to fall naturally out of the fact that males and females have some different patterns of cognitive traits and people tend to pick as mates people with similar cognitive traits to themselves. So, at the ends of the bell curves, you are going to get males who have a high concentration of "female" cognitive traits and females who have a high concentration of "male" cognitive traits. Including the cognitive traits associated with erotic attraction and orientation.
Who cares? Do what you do in the bedroom is your business and your business only. Son't expect me to approve, accept, or want to read about any of it. The turd Obama picked needs to be flushed and then let's find a grown up straight person or at least someone who keeps his personal life and ideals to themself and only has school safety as his/her goal. God, this is tiring!
Varied, as is true of any sizable group in the community.
Hey, Charles, great to see you back. Loved you in "Avatar."
Sorry, but the tortured 'nuance' in this piece left me cold. NAMBLA is not the result of someone's senility but a symptom of evil swallowed whole.
Joe S., nonconformist Hollywood Writer here:
Charles,
I can believe that no human made in God's image should be reduced down to a monstrous caricature or scapegoat. That's why I've intervened by force to stop gay bashings twice in my life. But I'm still a firm believer in traditional values (I know, good luck living in Hollywood, pal).
I also believe that moral clarity and intellectual honesty are undermined by exagerration and innuendo- just witness the tortured logic and incoherence of the Left in general (and the liberal media in particular).
But taking an ultra-nuanced view of the actions of Harry Hay strikes me the same way as taking a nuanced view of Karl Marx or Bin Laden. Harry Hay may not have been a blood-drinking terrorist but you can reasonably compare his determination to destroy the current foundations of Western Civilization to Bin Laden's.
And you wouldn't be contributing your insightful posts to this blog if you weren't yourself partisan about Jeffersonian democracy and the Western Civilization, right? Just sayin' . . .
I agree. It is tiring. But they are not going to stop at leaving it in the bedroom. Why should they if it is a natural activity?
Thank you.
Your previous article defending these people left a lot of us surprised, disappointed, and a little repulsed. I usually find myself agreeing with everything you right, and also impressed by your sound logic, so I was really disappointed with your last article. But I'm happy to see that sound logic returned, and I strongly agreed with most of this article – except for one thing.
Advocating pedophilia does not make somebody a "kook," it makes them a "criminal" and a "pervert."
"The point: gay people admire Harry Hay for his bravery in galvanizing gay men during the dark ages of the 1950s – not for his later, senile support of NAMBLA."
The point — perhaps they should stop "admiring" someone who so clearly lacked a moral compass?
"…everything you write…" Sorry, I'm sleepy.
The only problem I've had with the gay rights movement is the attack on my values and beliefs. I completely agree with the sentiment that the government shouldn't legislate someone's bedroom, but isn't passing out this literature to children an attempt to do just that, only with a private group working hand in hand with a co-opted government instead of directly from the horse's mouth? If you are fighting for equal rights, you are fighting to be the same as us. Instead, it occurs to me that the movement isn't about gays getting equal protection, but that the left has entered the equation and are using the movement to tear down traditionalists like myself.
Plus, as detailed in the article and in other comments, producing this smut for the consumption of children leaves a lot of us in the impossible situation of trying to explain away this event to people who believe that all gay people are inherently evil and want to corrupt our children's minds. There are those of us who defend your right to be gay, even people like me who don't believe in gay marriage (take marriage out of the government's hands camp here!), who can't really argue something like this away, doing a disservice to your fight. It seems to me that too many gay people don't realize that this fight isn't their fight, it's the left's fight and they're being used as the boxing gloves.
Yes, thank you Charles. Your a very good boy.
Were you born a troll, were you made one by your environment, or was it a conscious moral choice?
One more time, folks, get sex out of our public schools, it is not the responsibility or prerogative of the government to be educating our children on sexual matters. It is the prerogative of parents and belongs in the home. And, yes, there will be parents that won't do it or will do a bad job of it, but, prove to me that in the decades since the government and the teacher's union took on this task that the stats on promiscuity and teenage pregnancies have gotten any better? Parents have the right to the timing and content of sex education.
The clowns running the public schools can't even teach basic math/reading/critical thinking skills let alone be charged with the task of something as morality based as sex education. These are the same clowns that thread the unsubstantiated and unchallenged bad science of GW across all grades without our permission too.
Too many "too busy" and clueless parents have mindlessly surrendered their kids to the liberal education complex. Privatize the public schools with a voucher system and kill this monster.
"Homosexuality is a compensation for never having sexually matured." Exactly, in a nutshell.
Ultimately the consequences of allowing the normalization of gay culture inexorably weakens society. Certainly the pusillanimous profile American society now presents to the world attests to that.Combined with the femi-nazi assault on the family – the civilizing linchpin of a sane society – the left is well on the way to obtaining their sterile, claustrophobic totalitarian world. And if gays imagine that their deviancy from the norm will be safe from "persecution" in this dismal future, they need only observe the left's silence regarding the treatment of gays and women in islamic culture. If the gay agenda did not serve the marxists so well, they wouldn't be a pet minority. The minute they cease to serve a useful purpose, they can expect the same treatment as their loathed conservative opponents.As the left proves repeatedly, the only loyalty they have is to expediency. It's the end that counts in their book, not the means.
They won't. You are expected to move in their direction.
Wrong. As someone that has worked in psychiatry for decades the clinical evidence is that like handedness is hardwired in the brain so is sexual orientation.
Your "truth" is based on nothing but a very outdated and fact challenged opinion. I refuse to let it go unchallenged.
The homosexual people who believe that it isn't their fight could be equated to the moderate Muslim. If they exist – they've been neutered (Mr. Winecoff being the Ayaan Hirsi Ali in this equation).
and BTW we are all inherently evil.
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"It seems to me that too many gay people don't realize that this fight isn't their fight, it's the left's fight and they're being used as the boxing gloves."
Well said. It's always a small minority of extremists that fuel this type of situation.
It was my impression that the scientific evidence on the subject was inconclusive. Could you please link to some studies?
It's a pet peeve of mine when people respond to what they think was said rather than actually what was said. Charles said that Hay's support of NAMBLA was the result of his senility, not that NAMBLA itself was a result of senility. Those are two very different things.
No particular "nuance" is needed, just simple reading comprehension.
That's the spirit!
The question is whether even senility is a valid excuse for supporting worthless, repugnant crap like NAMBLA.
The most sickening thing about these depraved leftist, is that they have taken God and the American flag out of schools and replaced morality with perversion!! This kind of garbage DOES NOT belong in any school!! How dare they think that the majority of Americans will sit back and take this cr@p!! If there are ANY parents out there that do not mind their six year old learning how to masturbate, then the CPS needs to take those children out of the home before the molesting is done and children grow up and think it is the norm!!!!
My favorite line:
"Are straight boys and girls encouraged by the state to go to titty bars and hook up with horny MILFs or divorced dads? Why this outrageous double standard when it comes to gay kids?"
As an LGBT person I can say without a doubt that he (Jennings) is a very disturbed person.
Refuse all you want. Doesn't change a thing.You certainly offer nothing to support your contention. But even were I to accept your statement, it doesn't excuse the subversive and malignant political tactics gays have employed.
The fact that the original comment to which these remarks are attached – "Homosexuality is a compensation for never having sexually matured." – has been removed is indicative of the corrosive affects "tolerance" for gays (or any so-called minority) has resulted in. Censoring such an innocuous statement on a site purporting to defend free speech is damn well idiotic.
Everyone has a moral choice in life including the hyper-sexed heterosexual (Tiger Woods). As does the homosexual. If your personal belief system allows moral choices, then you will accept yourself being different and continue through life and remain yourself and not bow to societies desire for you to "be yourself." It is your cross to carry as others who have personal problems through life.
"And I saw the BEAST rise up out of the Sea. And he had a MOUTH to speak haughty and blasphemous words. And he was allowed to exercise authority for forty two months." Revalations 13-5. Now, if you were the Devils' tool, what kind of person would YOU put in charge of the CHILDREN? Let me think. I guess I'd put KEVIN JENNINGS in there. A Fan of GROWN MEN having SEX with LITTLE BOYS, and teaching his SEXUAL DEVIANT FILTH to our children in the Public Schools.
"Men shall know you, by the company you keep." JESUS CHRIST
I will never understand anyone who thinks their sexuality is their defining characteristic. But gay people do. Who else would write something like this:
"Excuse me? As a white gay man, even I know that male caucasians are no longer anywhere near top of the totem pole in guilt-ridden, Euro-phobic America. Consequently, I thank God everyday for my homosexuality – the one weapon I have to survive in the PC jungle. "
Huh? You're glad that you are attracted to other men because of the political capital it gives you?
Oh. OK.
I'm bisexual. Not really, but as a white female I need that advantage, you know?
Oh, wait. Homosexuals really don't like bisexuality. They have to include them under their umbrella (you know, the Harry Hay school of gay rights) but they really, really hate any depiction of bi's in pop culture. Oh, no. A Meredith Baxter can decide in late middle age that she's a Lesbian, but heaven forbid a Julie Cypher or Anne Hecht decide that they're not really Lesbians after all.
Why do gay rights people hate bisexuals? Because they know that bisexuals screw up their argument.
You nailed it kadaka!
As an LGBT person, people that I meet on the "progressivist" side of the aisle automatically "assume" that because I am who I am that I am in their "club" by default…
I can "tolerate" their "collectivist mental disorder" because I know that over the course of time they will become conservative just by my influence in their lives….
It's good being who I am because I see myself as an ultimate lesson in "real tolerance" and "real understanding", something the average "progressive" is sorely lacking in….
Who is to say Guillermo?
You guys are always talking about "nature" but "nature" serves a purposeful function and the "function" that you seem to be overlooking is PROCREATION.
I think you know what God prefers…
"I will never understand anyone who thinks their sexuality is their defining characteristic. But gay people do."
I've never understood that, either. I don't define myself by who I happen to find attractive. It's probably the last thing I'd use to define myself. That's only a teensy tiny part of what makes me who I am. I've never met a heterosexual that defines themselves as being straight, and yet I had a gay man insist to me that that's how every person on the planet defines themselves. It was one of the most bizarre conversations I've ever had. He simply couldn't grasp that the people I'm attracted to have very little to do with the kind of person I am.
I'm sorry but being a hippie who enjoys turning sex roles upside down is no excuse for endorsing such a horrible organization. NAMBLA is a criminal enterprise that supports molestation of young children by older men. There is nothing more gross in this world than that. When did these associations stop mattering? Hippie or not, every human has a conscience, and if his wasn't throwin a hissy fit when he "lent" his name to NAMBLA, which it clearly wasn't, then he deserves every bit of scorn that comes his way. Likewise, so does Jennings. Liberals live in a world where they believe some things just don't count. These things do count sir, and we should be keeping score.
It doesn't matter that Harry Hay was not himself a pedophile. The problem is that he advocated for pedophiles and pedophilia as just another sexuality to be liberated.
What if it was a different crime, say murder. Would you think it was OK to argue that murder was just a misunderstood variation on human activity that should be de-criminalized? I mean, as long as the person arguing that was not a murderer himself, what would be the problem, right? Just a free spirit seeking the liberation of all humanity, right?
I am certainly in agreement with you there! BTW a bit off topic… Have they found anything about the two missing climbers?
Kudos! I have to say I am in agreement yet again with you.
Following your strained logic, are we to suppose you espouse relieving yourself in public as well? After all it IS a natural activity so why should it be left in the restroom?? **sarc off**
HOW'S THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKIN' OUT FOR EVERYBODY??
One man to pin all of these to: bho and his lack of GOD in his life. Since he was a depraved, destroyed little kid, he will also destroy yours. The appoinment of a "shadow" govt' not thru Congress, and destroying, equalizing from that vantage point is his revenge.
Get him out of the WH and all of these will come to "moderation"…
I keep saying "I can only tolerate so much", but everyday keeps bringing up more turbid turds from this admin. I know what the game plan is– DE- SENSITIZE.. LOOK LIKE IT'S WORKING!
Speak without fear…
Please do not "Thank God" for homosexuality.
Wow! Fantastic column!
Dead.
Everybody, especially parents or would be parents, needs to read this..
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/the_lefts_...
these people have NO idea just how much they are hurting the mainstream acceptance of homosexuals, which was better in the late 70's than it is now- and it will continue to get worse. It is now part of- unfortunately- the Left Right divide in this country when it should hane no political ramifications whatsoever.
As we continue to divide we continue to weaken…
I know. It gets really comical if you pursue their arguments. For example, I'm an atheist who objects to gay rights for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. Gays hate that. They absolutely can't understand people like me. They would much prefer that all objections to gay rights be based purely on religion. Then they have an argument. With me they don't because I don't care about religion. I object to gay rights laws because I think I should have the right to judge people based on their behavior. Which is really all being gay is. Gay rights laws are nothing more than legislating the reaction to a personal habit. Being homosexual is a self defined condition and anyone can do it. Call yourself gay, and you're gay.
Nice, huh? Gays are actually closer to being a religion than they are to other minorities that are based on birth or skin color. Sorry, no, but gays can't claim the birth thing because then they'd have to be pro-life and they're not. And, again, bisexuals screw up their whole "nobody chooses to be gay" argument.
Want to have a really good laugh? Just argue with a gay person long enough about how nobody should be forced to accept anyone else's behavior, especially sexual behavior, and they will say that being gay has nothing to do with sex.
Oh, yeah, they will. What else are they gonna say?
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While only Charles himself can be 100% certain about what he meant by that, I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a sardonic statement.
Great column as usual, Charles. I couldn't agree more with almost everything you said (except the Harry Hay stuff….I just don't see how anyone can justify support of child molesters). I'm looking forward to the day when some enterprising young soul decides to take a really close look at Media Matters and their members (possibly even a little undercover reporting) to put them under the same kind of spotlight they delight in shining on everyone who they disagree with. I can't decide if they really are morally repugnant, or just unwitting tools (in both senses of the word) of more important people who have a specific agenda to damage this country.
I am very sorry to hear that. I was holding out a little hope still yet.
I find it hard to believe that anyone with even a barely functioning moral compass and two or three brain cells can support NAMBLA. Then again, from the description of Mr. Hay, it's questionable whether he had even that.
I don't know about bisexuals, because they do also claim to be genetic–I call it one of the highest degrees of promiscuity–but they definitely hate it when people who said they were gay go back to being straight, because that REALLY destroys their argument.
What's the argument they have? Religious people object to gay lifestyles as much as they do adulterers, murderers, liars, stealers, etc. Religious people object to all dishonest and disingenuous lifestyles, not just homo-sexuality. "Gay rights"(read 'special, protected, additional rights') are tantamount to elevating 1 group over another, not in the constitution.
While not "every" gay person is a pedophile, "nearly all pedophiles" happen to be gay, statistically speaking…
Sardonic ? Perhaps the truth. Just sayin….Remember act=up, glsen, etc., etc. When it comes to overstepping their bounds these groups know no boundaries, always pushing the envelope to see how far they can get
I'm reminded of something I saw growing up. The Equal Rights Amendment, being promoted in the 70's, and feminism in general. That could have been a good movement, examining how women's roles in life were too proscribed and falsely limiting. But what happened was that peace activists, lesbians and Nixon haters got involved, clouded the issue, and ruined it. They just got overexcited about breaking boundaries, until there were none, and that's not good.
Media Matters is going down in flame. May it rots in hell for all I care.
Child porn is illegal, which it should be. Teaching porn to children is Obamas way and this too is illegal. What adults do in there own home is none of my business. That is between them and their God if they have one. Leave the children alone or go to Jail!
It seems that gay people are not only fighting discrimination, they also fighting to establish their own identity. Will gay people be seen (and see themselves) as just "regular folks," or will they be sleazy, promiscuous, proudly HIV-carrying, bondage-gear-wearing, anonymous-restroom-sex-having freaks? I have trouble figuring out why some so-called activists engage in behavior that almost guarantees a negative reaction from society. It's like they want to be accepted, but only if the acceptance requires the acceptors to discard any standards of decency they value. This goes beyond "live and let live."
So you're point is? Thank you for making my point and proving my point, perfesser.
I don't know about the statistics. Strictly speaking, a pedophile is anyone who derives special pleasure from the idea (or the act) of sex with someone who is not sexually mature. Obviously there are pedophiles who like little girls as well as pedophiles who like little boys. Isn't it equally obvious that a male pedophile who is only attracted to underaged males is, in fact, a homosexual pedophile? So while it may be literally accurate to say that pedophilia and homosexuality are two different things, it's disingenuous to say, for example, that Catholic priests who victimize little boys are not homosexuals as well as pedophiles.
I totally agree. To tolerate something means to put up with it, it doesn't mean to like it or approve of it. Trying to force approval only makes the situation worse.
Possibly. But instances of grown women preying on boys is underreported. Particularly if the boys are 12-16 when people seem to applaud the practice rather than see it for what it is — statutory rape/pedophilia. If those stats are put in, we might see a more even balance, although there's no way to be sure until the truth comes out.
Clearly homosexual pedophilia seems to be the most commonly reported. But just like men don't report being beaten by their wives, FBI/police files are not a good foundation (even if they are the best currently at hand) to form a solid conclusion regarding the sexual orientation of pedophiles. The data is incomplete.
Me — I don't trust nobody with my kids.
"Excuse me? As a white gay man, even I know that male caucasians are no longer anywhere near top of the totem pole in guilt-ridden, Euro-phobic America. Consequently, I thank God everyday for my homosexuality – the one weapon I have to survive in the PC jungle. "
Good for you Charles. Why do we humans fail to share the common sense to recognize our OWN nature? Why are these people – who apparently are better tuned to "nature" – so hell bent on trying to change nature?
If Jennings were an old crusty non-gay white man from Tulsa then he be in jail and on the way to prison if he were on school grounds with that material. John Podesta and George Soros apparently are not yet out of the closet. There are no coincidences in their world. Jennings is an unfortunate peer into that dark world.
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The public education system, at least in NY, has been very successful in instilling "tolerance" for homosexuals. I'm a Christian, and so are my children, yet they belittle me if I make a remark that they preceive as "gay bashing". The education system has been successful in making them think "homosexuality is just another lifestyle, who are we to judge whether it is right or wrong". I have to let them know what God thinks about it every once in a while. No other sin is such a direct insult to the Creator of the universe as homosexuality; thus the reason it is so explicitly denounced in the Bible, and why entire cities were destroyed because of it.
I totally agree. They chose the wrong hill to fight on this time.
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Harry wasn't a pedohile he just supported them sounds about as honest as saying Mussolini wasnt a Nazi he just supported them.
To the author you have no idea what Harry did or did not do to children, the fact that he supported them is the issue, the rest is just speculation and CYA for your "Movement"
Did the author really have to bow at the altar of homosexual revisionist history before saying sexualizing children is a bad thing?
W#ho was it that said "there is no double-standard; only an unspoken single standard"?
The vast majority of Catholic priests are gay pedophiles.
Thank you again, Mr. Winecoff. Your articles are one of the highlights of Big Hollywood for me.
I think the Jennings story sums up the problem with big government and liberalism in general. What starts out as a noble and necessary program to keep gay youth safe in schools turns into a series of lectures on sexual practices. What starts out as a noble and necessary plan to make health insurance available for the legitimately uninsured turns into a takeover of the entire health-care system. On and on, every program they implement turns into a huge boondoggle and orgy of spending that ends up having nothing to do with why it was started in the first place.
As for Jennings the photo of him leering in front of a schoolyard just about sums it all up. Yuck.
As for Harry Hay, if someone had advocated marrying dogs and cats and forcing the state to recognize it, Hay would have been in. He was a looney-tune, but he was "our" looney tune, looney just the same. I doubt if he seriously knew what NAMBLA was by the time he endorsed it. He was pretty senile by that time (I hope).
I am gay, and I despise all the gay activist groups.
What I do in my bedroom is my business, no one elses, just as what anyone does is their own business- (unless you do have a minor – then that is another issue) But for those who refuse to act like normal people,(activist) they make it rougher for the rest of us.
But the really sad part, is the gay activist that are pushing the left wing agenda so hard, are too blind to see that they are nothing but useful idiots for the Progressive agenda. As soon as the Progressives have total power, the gays will be one of the first groups to be rounded up.
Just look at the current law proposal in Uganda, where gays can be executed.
OR that could be an indoctrination talking point that you so sheepishly regurgitated back to us. Show me the data.
"And just for the record, fisting isn’t even on the radar for most of us."
*ech*, but it's on the radar for some of you.
As a parent this stuff just makes me sick. Kids hitting puberty are trying to figure themselves out and nothing I can see of the push for "acceptance" helps them do that.
As someone said… if homosexuality is hardwired where does "Are you bi-curious?" come from? What supports both the notion that homosexuality is not a choice at all, while supporting the idea that a person might not know and ought to explore the options? But concerned parents or anyone else can't suggest that anyone is trying to *push* alternate sexualities. That's intolerant. Gays don't "recruit"… oh no! Because "Are you bi-curious, check it out!" is not recruiting. Nope.
Where is sexual morality in this? Where is it? The word perversion can't be used anymore. The idea that, oh, dominant/submissive relationships are nasty destructive things is not allowed. The idea that *any* person should not *ever* let themselves be used or disrespected or treated badly in *any* way can't be spoken because then you're not tolerant enough. The idea that *perhaps* it might not actually solve your problems to mutilate working sexual parts into non-working replicas of the other sex isn't an acceptable concern. No one can say *this is not good for you* or *this is not healthy*. Because that's hateful.
Most people seem to be able to accept that some people truly are homosexual. For whatever reason. And *most* people seem to be able to accept that homosexuality is essentially benign. (A pedophile might also be "born that way", but it is not considered benign at all.)
What I would want to know is where is the advice and support to NOT get sexually involved prematurely with anyone of either sex and the advice to be certain that you know enough about yourself not to make a lifetime commitment to a woman if you're actually more attracted to men or vice versa? Where are the warnings of how easy it is to totally screw your life up with sex?
It's not there. It's all about, as Mr. Winecoff said, upending sexual mores.
From talking to conservative homosexuals I believe that a whole lot of people do not want sexual mores upended but instead want healthy relationships, fidelity, and a family.
Thank you for such a clear well thought out article. I am VERY sick and tired of the what I have begun to call the 'gay mafia' for their bullying of those of us who disagree with them on the littlest things, calling us homophobes and haters. I don't think 'gayness' needs to be 'taught'. What they are doing in Massachusetts is terrible. Bullying by the 'rainbow shirts' just gets resentment, and I don't think that is change to believe in.
I do think that homosexuals of conscience aught to do everything to reign these groups in or else their 'cause' will be hijacked by Marxists just like the ecological/green movement has, which is a dam shame. In Marxist regimes, as well as under sharia, gays are not free.
It almost seems like many are driven by an unnatural desire or something.
Most pedophiles go after young tween and teenage boys, that's a statistical fact.
Amen to that! I'm so sick of kids being exposed to things way beyond their comprehension – sex is a part of life, but it's meant for adults, no matter what their persuasion. Why can't kids just be kids?
My thoughts exactly. People leave comments on these Government sites about people being terminated hyperbolically, but I never see them removed. There are a lot of studies that organizations like the APA and CDC will simply not tolerate (see "Getting It Straight: What the Research Shows About Homosexuality" produced by Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council), and I would expect these Breitbart sites to act a little differently than the mainstream liberal organizations they claim to be fighting against.
Please link to those imaginary FBI statistics, liar.
Personally, I adore bi-sexual men.
mma is all about having a platform to legitimize the hate America platform of the left and obozo crowd
I share your opinion. I'm much more afraid of the far-left than I am of the far-right. The entire "Queers for Palestine" mindset is so stupid. Where are the Palestinian queers, oh that's right, hiding in Israel for deal life!
Never has there been a communist country or dictatorship where gays have been treated fairly or even tolerated. I see no reason to believe life under the "Big O" would be any different. The Left proves over and over how homophobic they are. They never miss a chance to associate a man they disagree with on issues with "gayness", and I mean never miss the chance.
The left adores Islam, which to this day murders gays, in public if they can. They adore Communism which oppressed gays.
Really, how can a thinking gay person be a liberal?
I don't hate gays but I hate the "gay movement." Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral or desirable. Nor does it necessitate teaching it in schools. I mean, gun ownership is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment but I don't see the schools clamoring to teach gun use and safety in schools. (Not a bad idea to offer it as an elective to older kids, come to think about it. The RIGHT to gun ownership is at least moral.)
BTW kids are often sexually confused – they are still KIDS, after all, and confused about many things – but the rush to push them into a "gay" camp as an agenda is reprehensible
I hate to break it to you buddy, but it's "on the radar" for some of you too.
"The truth is that conservatives do not hate gay people." Charles have you ever bothered to read through one the threads on this site or Biggovernment talking about Kevin Jennings? I can assure you that plenty of conservatives do hate gay people and they are not afraid to say so. They think in fact that you will burn in hell and chances are good that you are a pedophile.
"sexually explicit material – aimed at adolescents – including a guide to gay bars" There was no guide to gay bars aimed at adolescents. I don't think you even read the media matters writing on this before you wrote your article.
Most of the reporting on this was taken from massresistance.com , which is an openly anti-gay site. Go look at that site and tell me that conservatives don't have a problem with gay people.
"Gay kids are still kids (who deserve the same respect and protection as their peers)." If you think that most conservatives agree with that statement you are out of your mind. Take a stroll through the comments section sometime and find out what conservatives think.
Doesn't at least the totally fake "fisting kit" give you pause?
Advocates of “tolerance” are :
a) hopeless idealists
b) closet social engineers
c) politicians trying to enlarge their power base
d) other
take your pick.
“Laissez-nous faire!” is still the best principle for those who actually want tolerance.
Perhaps they "hate" the behavior but not the person. Sort of like your alcoholic friend/parent/spouse whom you may love but whose drinking behavior you hate.
Oh, I forgot, gays can't "help" it because they were born that way. Will they become "pro-life" if and when the "gay gene" is ever found because you know what will happen in the Liberal communities – gay "lumps of cells in the womb" will be flushed. The only ones having the "gay babies" will be….Conservative/pro-lifer/ religious freaks.
Unfortunately, they are not the only ones. The Democrats have reaquired the slaves they lost in the latter half of the 1800's, and aquired new ones along with them.
I don't hate gays but I hate the "gay movement." Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral or desirable. Nor does it necessitate teaching it in schools. I mean, gun ownership is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment but I don't see the schools clamoring to teach gun use and safety in schools. (Not a bad idea to offer it as an elective to older kids, come to think about it. The RIGHT to gun ownership is at least moral.)
SMOOOOCH- ( couldn't resist)
I have been asking myself for years how could any gay person support the liberal agenda, if they had ever bothered to read history-
I asked myself many years ago, that if anyone had ever read about Hitler, the Russian revolution, the history of Communism in Europe, Asia, or Africa, or listen to Ahmenejahd? say there are no gays in Iran, how they could support these people.
And if I were Jewish, I would be asking myself the same question also
Mr. Winecoff:
I appreciate your writing. Thanks.
Right , being gay is just like being an alchoholic. Hey Charles , are you getting this?
Charles,
I very much appreciate your perspective on this. Reasonable Christian conservatives like myself recognize the difference between philosophical arguments about homosexuality, and legal strictures against/for it. (Realize that the nurture or nature arguments about homosexuality don't hold much relevance with me, since society seems to have little problem judging other behaviors that may have genetic roots – but interesting that they all deal with various appetites: sexual, nutritional, chemical, material…)
While I obviously disagree with many of your views, we do seem to share the viewpoint that the overt focus by the left fringe on promoting radically promiscuous agendas helps NOBODY. It's hard to have an elevated discussion on the larger rights questions while those issues are dangling in our faces (pardon the expression).
(We probably diverge on the gay marriage issue, but likely mainly on which way to follow the logic argument. My thoughts are simply "Either we follow the thousands of years of tradition WRT state sanctioning of marriage – or get the state out of the marriage business altogether – which would seem to be the more libertarian approach. Meanwhile, for benefits purposes, we expand the legal definition of a household to include more than just one narrow additional slice of the population.")
Guillermo, get a life. If you don't like it around here, then go somewhere else.
This Fistgate thing further illustrates the hypersexualization of children. And really it has very little to do with homosexuality. Why do certain people believe that kids have sexual feelings that need to be explored? And how did they get put in charge of anything having to do with schools?!?! The whole thing scares the crap out of me. I wonder how many of these people were abused as children and therefore think this kind of behavior is normal.
IT IS NOT!
Perfectly stated. I agree. When liberals can step back and look at the bigger picture of their party, oft they have an epiphany that the very party that claims to be tolerant is the party pidgeon holing each beholded group. I don't like promoting other blogs whilst patronizing one of my favorites, but, the story of how one lesbian embraced Conservatism, as told by Cynthia Shockey at A Newly Conservative Lesbian is such a fabulous read!
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Charles is just another deviant making excuses for other deviants period!
Too true. Show me a "minority" and I will show you how they are being used as tools. The Democrats are continuously dividing the nation into segments and their policies and agenda reflect this.
Conservatives don't have "minorities" or segments because we think of people merely as "Americans."
I second palmtree on this one. Link to the stats. Then after you post your link go tell the millions and millions of little girls and teenage females who are molested daily that most peodphiles are gay. Maybe that will make them feel better.
I have always been a "live and let live" person who has nothing against Gays and worked and socialized with many over the years. They were all decent people and what they did in their own bedrooms was no business of mine. I am beginning to abhor the Gay Rights Movement, the FREAKS in the Gay Rights Parades in San Francisco, the "ACT UP" militant gays and other assorted nuts like Jennings. I don't like the idea of this pornaorapic garbage even being discussed in a classroom setting. What is happening to our schools? Kids are not taught American History and grow up totally IGNORANT of the many hero's in our nation's history but they can attend a class on "Fisting?" This is INSANITY! We the People have to take some proactive steps to FLUSH the Teacher's Union and purge the entire system of radical activists like Kevin Jennings. And Barack Hussein Obama! The Tsunami is coming and these PIGS will be swept away in 2010 and 2012. Can't come soon enough for me.
Uh, there are a lot of gays that comment here at Big Hollwood, bub. Perhaps a few of the commentators here do not agree with homosexuality, but GUESS WHAT? people are allowed to have differing opinions here. It's called a discussion.
Go back to the Daily Kos or whereever if you just want to speak to people who all agree about everything. 'Kay?
How do you know it isn't? Why are some alcoholic and others not? Are they born that way? AA seems to think there is a genetic component.
FYI I was responding to the previous charge that a Conservative might "hate gays." I said they might hate the behavior but not the person. Surely you can't make the claim that much of the behavior described in gay literature is healthy for any human, gay or straight. I mean do you really think that anonymous sex in parks or bathhouses is healthy? I'm from San Francisco and my gay friends were very open with me about their "adventures."
I cannot stand people who do not know the difference between "Your" and "You're." And its not nitpicking. If you don't understand basic grammar what good is your opinion, especially when you are being such an epic D-Bag about it.
Thank you for that! If you're going to try and bash someone, please use correct grammar and check your spelling.
I have no problem with differing opinions or people expressing them. I'm just pointing out that a large section of conservatives have a problem with gay people. You might want to ignore that reality for various reasons but it's a plain fact and I am going to point it out. It's not just a few commenters it's the base of the republican party. Also even on this site it's not just a few at all.
Mostly I have a problem with pandering to homophobia or racism on one hand, and then claiming to be tolerant on the other hand.
I know it isn't because being an alcoholic is a terrible debilitating life threatening thing and being gay is not. You are making a moral judgement with your comparison that is very harsh. Also I'm pretty sure straight people have lots of weird sex too.
I don't care what a person's "reason" is for supporting a group that promotes the sexual victimization of children. There's absolutely no defense for taking that position. And providing pornographic materials to children in any way is equally unacceptable.
I've seen some of the Fistgate material online and it's completely inappropriate for children (and many adults). Just think about it, the President of the United States appointed a child pornography peddling pedophile as "School Czar". Unbelievable.
All this makes me RELIEVED I don't have kids. Are they even bothering to teach reading, writing and math in schools anymore? With all the political and sexual propaganda, I don't see where they'd have time.
Very interesting article and illuminating. As a "straight" white male I really don't understand homosexuality but accept the fact that some people are gay. I think often its a genetic issue but I don't really know. The fact is that our society, in large part, is accepting of people who follow the rules and do the right thing – including gay people. What I don't get is NAMBLA and GLISIN and similar organizations that promote harmful, perverted behavior. I don't know much about the gay culture, but I do recall having drinks with some gay friends – professionals and successful – who shared stories of the gay life. They told me about the promiscuity, aberrant sexual behavior and the use of drugs, especially "TINA" as part of the sex life (crystal meth). It just seemed very strange to me and immoral. We straights have our failings of a sexual nature as well, but these stories showed behavior that seemed beyond the pale. Am I missing something?
I hope more gay men and women of character will speak out against Jennings.
and you would know this…?
"A large section do not like gay people"? data please.
I would say a large section do have a problem with the "Gay Agenda," which is different than having a problem "Gay People." But I would also say that a large section of conservatives don't care what someone does in their private life and simply do not think that the sexualization of our children is a public/gov't responsibility.
Do you think that the educational system should support sexualizing our children either hetero or homo sexually? Are you for that?
Gordo – you are not missing a thing. That kind of behavior is central to that life. I lived it for many years. No not everyone but most to one degree or another. Most homosexuals who have been together for years are not monogamous. (How would you like to bet the farm Harry Hay was?) Usually after a few years the relationship becomes open – either tacitly or not. It is like alchoholism to the extent that it is a combination of genetic and environmental factors that leads to the compulsive behavior. We all have our problems but it is now hateful to point out the obvious fact that certain body parts do not go in certain unclean places – which is an extremely dangerous activity that works as an expressway for HIV to enter your lymphatic system.
Wowser. Congratulations, Mr. Winecoff . Your post was one big rationalization of aberrant behavior and some of its defenders.
We all know Media Matters is an uber-leftist organization. And you're correct. It seeks to bash conservatives more than help LBGT people. But LGBT people have their own agenda, as demonstrated by Kevin Jennings and his ilk.
It all boils down to ethics and morality. Whether its the scurrilous Media matters, or GLSEN, or Kevin Jennings, or most any politician, one cannot install the foolish and immoral in positions of prominence and power, then expect expect common sense and wisdom.
Obama's administration is rotten to the core. I predict it will go down in history as the most foul collection of human refuse to ever blight this nation, and generations to come will curse Obama's name.
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Thank God somebody said it!
I wish I could vote for your post more than once….
Exactly!! This takes us one step closer to "A Brave New World". We need to "condition" each individual into the state's desired group so that there can be only groups – no individual. The individual is the threat to the state.
It's men like Jennings who probably do more to encourage hatred of gay people than anyone else. I'm serious: if the public perception of gay people is "flaming queers" in ass-less chaps and bondage gear doing feces-play and water sports with underage partners, it's a lot harder to be tolerant.
What's worst is that he, and others like him, have somehow convinced the gay community that any attempt to fit in with straight society is "selling out" or being an "uncle Tom."
I hope Mr. Winecoff and others like him can provide a more responsible and, frankly, SANE voice for the gay community, before this provokes one hell of a backlash.
How about if you respond to some of the points I made?
If you think that the moral majority/christian conservative base of the republican party doesn't have any issues with gay people then I don't know what to tell you.
And what source did you get that from? No, your deluded mind doesn't count.
Sorry to bust anyone's bubble here, the VAST majority of pedophiles are gays, per FBI statistics. The gay lifestyle is still an abomination before the majority of Americans and is not supported in any way, shape or form. The fact that gays pursue a lifestyle that is abhorrent to most of humankind, the WORLD over should tell us all something. The rise of "gay power" coincided with the rise of marxist/fascist/communist/socialist "power" in the 60's. The gay movement was so seemingly out of touch that it didn't catch on with these other subversive movements. Their obsene practices, in your face protests and the attempted usurping of our childrens educational system(what possible reason to teach children they 'might' be gay and then teach abberant sexual behavior?) at an early age is nothing short of heresy. I for 1 am not going to support or give any credence to this tripe.
"Fists of Fury"?… "Montana Handshake"?…
We have a perv for Safe School Czar! Great!
Charles,
It's great to hear a gay voice condemning Jennings and GLSEN. I think it's a disgrace that there has been virtual silence on all this in our communities. I've linked your article on my blog and hope more of our brothers and sisters get to read it.
Thanks.
For the last time, please read the article.
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There's a bunch of info about teen brains and what I call the power of suggestion.
I thought I just did.
However, after pondering your comment for a while I get what you are saying. You are saying is not "an authentic gay" because he posts at a place like Big Hollywood.
I get it.
This is just perversion mainstreamed. If our heterosexual sons and daughters were subjected to this smut, heads would roll. This is a case of sexually deviant adults getting off on discussing and distributing pornographic material with and to minors. These pigs belong on a Dateline NBC special, not on a list of advisors to the President. I wonder if President Obama would allow his daughters to attend a conference of this nature ? How damaging must it be to the psyche of these gay and lesbian children to see that we don't care to protect them the same way we protect our heterosexual children. It would appear that society has already condemned them to a life of self-destructive promiscuity. We failed these kids, they deserve better.
Actually I meant these points:
"sexually explicit material – aimed at adolescents – including a guide to gay bars" There was no guide to gay bars aimed at adolescents. I don't think you even read the media matters writing on this before you wrote your article.
Most of the reporting on this was taken from massresistance.com , which is an openly anti-gay site. Go look at that site and tell me that conservatives don't have a problem with gay people.
Doesn't at least the totally fake "fisting kit" give you pause?
As far as "authentic gay" , of course you can be gay or straight and belong to whatever political movement you want and still be "authentic". I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation and I'm not willing to let a statement like "conservatives do not hate gay people"
go by without challenging it.
when we are in atlanta we always hit the gay bars, we love watching the queens pair up nip off to teh rest rooms and come back with sticky mouths or part digested corn stuck in their teeth, it means to us rednecks the problem is taking care of itself. Mental issues, self esteem issues, whether to be a top or bottom or versityle, we are always carful to not draw attention to ouselves and its a hoot, i jest not one spotty, ugly guy, sorry to bre judgemental but he was ugly ugly took at differing times 4 guys to the rest room in the space of 50 mins.
After we get our fill of gay self desrtuct we hit the real clubs and no we are not promiscuous we have as much fun without the need to do the double backed monster every night.
It's not. And the author needs to let it go.
???…oh…I get it.
"Kids are learning about the benefits of spitting versus swallowing when they should be reading Moby Dick."
Am I the only one who found this line hysterically funny?
Thank you Charles for your article and voice of reason. How is it that we had better luck running Van Jones out of town than we are having running this guy Jennings out? I have read all the fistgate revelations and the creepiest thing is that it seems like his mission is to advance "puppie farms" of young males to feed his and the other NAMBLA types' carnal desires for years to come. Remember the bait and switch poor Pinocchio suffered on Pleasure Island? These conventions and meetings directed under his supervision seem oddly similar to me.
ehemmm….Palmtree. I have many gay friends ( I know it's a cliche but this is a common demographic fact in the Fine or Commercial Arts industry no matter the media or genre….just is ) I also have a gay twin. Y'know what I get tired of….being called a "breeder"…..being dismissed & insulted because I have a traditional religion with a long cultural history….being accused of intolerance, racism, or homophobia if I don't agree with the whole "liberal" agenda….having my IQ insulted by liberals and dismissed as uneducated when I point to logical fallacies in the gay agenda….hearing an anti female mantra for decades and hearing gay men describe womens bodies as disgusting….hearing gay men proclaim with certainty and arrogance that a lot of men are "really gay but closeted or just haven't experienced the best yet"….reading over and over again that most of that which was created in western civilization was created with a coded gay subtext by closeted homosexuals…..I mean this list could go on and on over the decades…..I came of age a year after Stonewall….There has been progress in Gay Rights & I have been supportive of my brother and many gay friends for my entire adult life. But I am tired the anger and I am tired of the emotional assault because I am a breeder. I'm getting tired of the assault on the churches too. This isn't about anti-gay, it's about gay fatigue. It's about a fight against moral relativism….It's not OK for Roman Polanski to drug and rape a 14 year old girl & its not OK for Jennings – GSLN to promote pornograhic images,language,text etc…..to children period. If you cannot understand that then your compass is broken…..And with regards to "pandering to homophobia while claiming to be tolerant" ( Look in the mirror and tell me you never heard unkind words or snarky witticisms uttered behind the back of the breeders….Oh Brother…..)
Maybe Focus on the Family, or the Family Research Council have blogs he can comment on?
I, for one, find nothing whatsoever to admire about Hay, and never did. No, I do not expect you, or anyone else, to move in my direction.
At least it shows that not all right-wingers are hateful bigots.
D'uh, never has there been a correalation been substantialy linked to a gene which ordaintained to produce aloholism towards behavior in ones life . Many more mitigating factors(environmental have been uncovered as the cause. ALCOHOLICS whre NOTN BORN WITH IT? Thas is, once again to place blame and create a victim class so that BIG BROTHER come in and solve the non exisitent 'problem', as the saying goes, we:re the govt,(brute force cybernetics, we create a problem then we solve it!!) " we're the guvvinmint, we's here ta hep.
The same way you do.
Right on sir. Incredible article. I beleive most gays likely share your views. It is the radical, trust fund, too-much-time-on-their-hands gay advocates that promote this nonsense in school. When kids are reading silly books like "Revolutionary Voices.." they are NOT reading Steinbeck, Twain or Tolstoy. Why these classes at all?? Teach the "Golden Rule" and call it a day….
The sooner the Gay Community realizes that it is being used by Progressives as unwitting tools of agitation propaganda, the better off the community will be.
>> Ninety-nine percent of gay kids are the products of straight homes, so why force the issue with a claustrophobic “queer and questioning” curriculum? Are straight boys and girls encouraged by the state to go to titty bars and hook up with horny MILFs or divorced dads? Why this outrageous double standard when it comes to gay kids? <<
In a lot of ways their attacks on Heterosexuality is used as a wedge to drive gay children away from their parents. This may cause the children to harbor unnecessary fear towards their own parents causing mistrust and fear between them.
I am Gay, but I am was raised by a loving family and have not turned my back on them when i could have easily done so. I am so glad I didn't buy into the hate and intolerance that was shoved into my mind by the Mainstreamed Gay Extremest groups. Sure some Gay folks have had bitter experiences concerning their straight parents, relatives, friends neighbors, and strangers. But that is no excuse for poisoning the well and rebuilding the wall between gay and straight that was recently torn down only to have it re-built by some members of the Gay community. Sometimes they act like bitter spoiler children who can't learn that in order to build understanding you need patience and forgiveness.
" why are some not alcoholic and some are not"? Easy, the culture and environment they grow up in has an profoundly life forming and actually mind-forming way they will deal wuth other citizens inn their interactions.Not only the "straught" population, but the gay populace as well. The jury is still out on whetear environmental factirs have a detrimental or affect on all children as well. There can be NO argument as to whether a chikds formative years hava great affect inn regards to his behaviour patterns in the future, it only makes sense.
To wax physophical, bacically all of our reactions to one another determine how we really relate to eachother . It all starts at the home .We nust relate to eachother in na patience manner. Not by saying "you're stupid", but bv saying, 'here let me help you, with that' When we disagree , we don't put down or denigrate, we show patience and help, once aggain, patiently. Love and Oatience is the SECRET OF LIFE
No seriously. It's on the internet.
Anything gays do, straights do.
I know a LOT of great gay individuals. NONE of whom condone the kind of crap that our safe schools czar – who was handpicked by Obama – is pushing on little kids. In fact, while I haven't spoken to any of them re: this issue, I would bet a $100 bill they'd say the same thing this article says. This is a bunch of fringe militant pedophiles who are making the gay community look really bad.
The biggest issue I have with Jennings and this whole fistgate issue is why can't they let kids be kids? Ever remember what it was like to be a kid? I do. I love seeing little kids so whimsical and full of wonder. they do so much to take away the childhood of our kids out of schools anymore. Its disgusting and people like Jennings are part of the problem. Jennings, hows this why don't you work on your own issues and leave our kids alone? OK? We don't need you forcing this stuff on 7 year olds. THey are little children. For crying out loud.
well I'm certainly not going to go searching for it, just like I didn't go searching for this.
and I'm not going to take your "word" for it either.
e) All of the above!
Now THAT comment deserves "high fives" AND a standing ovation!!!!!!!
Christopher Columbus said it best, "Their slaves had their virile members removed, as we would fatten up a capon, in order to improve their taste."
Cry for the land, cry for the people, cry for the land that was taken away.
That's all he said? I assumed it was some hateful rant, not just rudely stating a hypothesis he hasn't backed up. The first would be useless and hurtful, and therefore warrant deletion. But the second should be debated, not dismissed! If the guy's wrong (and I'm not really sure what his vague statement even means) then we'll research and argue and figure it out! Sheesh, administrator!
The term 'fist fight' suddenly takes on a whole new meaning.
Is that one of the other things that mountain guy was going to do to Ned Beatty in Deliverance?
Personally I will never offer to fist pump with anyone for any reason ever again.
Notice to golfers: From now on drop the putt but forget about the celebratory fist pump afterwards.
You found a Little Black Book about "straight things" at your school too?
You say "I thank God everyday for my homosexuality". Friend, you need to re-evaluate your religion or read the bible. Being "gay" is a sin. Just because you "think" you’re in love with some guy doesn't mean you are, and by all that is holy demands that you control yourself. "Gay" perverts God’s intended purpose. There is only one entity in this world that attempts to pervert God’s purpose. He will use any method, any tool, or any person to that end.
Having said that, I agree that Jennings is a pervert of extreme proportions. He is but more evidence of the filth and debauchery of Obama's administration. To be an "Inner Party" member in the Obama DemoNatzi Party you must first swear allegiance to Political Correctness and, train yourself thoroughly in Doublethink, and sell yourself to the father of lies. Ironically you must CHOOSE to become a slave to lies, untruth, and unrighteousness. Witness the Obama administration and the current Main-Stream or State-Run Media Complex.
God help us all.
I took a look at the MassResistance.com site. It looks like a site by parents who don't agree with what is happening in their public schools. Here is their mission statement:
[quote]The citizens of Massachusetts have had enough! End judicial tyranny, homosexual "marriage", and homosexual activist recruitment of our children in the public schools! Preserve our Judeo-Christian heritage, the Culture of Life, and free speech! CAUTION: We deal openly and graphically with the Culture of Death. R-rated subject matter. (They produce it, we report it.)[/quote]
I don't know. Don't they have a right to think what they want to think about this topic? I don't get it. Is everyone supposed to conform to one thought on this issue? It's not a site I would go to myself.
Let me ask you, do you visit any websites where you might see Gays calling Heteros things like "breeders" or other derogatory terms? Do the people who say that represent ALL Gays? Do you agree with those comments?
<<we think of people merely as "Americans." >>
Things as they should be indeed.
Hey RCKMOM,____I think that they "dare" only because "most" Americans are too frightened to be "politically incorrect". Eventually the words "God", and "Christian" will become politically incorrect. That should be the case in about 10 years. Then the price this country will pay for it's "all inclusive" philosophy will be the dissolution of all it's historical values on which the country was founded. There will always be gays and perversion, but we should "officially" say "NO" through our legal and moral institutions. I know we all fear becoming a "Theocracy", but we have avoided that pitfall for a long time, and even the conservative Christian right won't and shouldn't be able to achieve that. However the current trade off of Christian values for the current belief in "open-mindedness and "all-inclusiveness" is the wrong choice. The various faiths need to stand up for what their great teachers have advocated through history. For the most part that is not "Gay is OK".
Sorry, but you lost any and all credibility for yourself and this piece when you referred to Massresistance as a "pro-family" group. Brian Camenker and his minions don't give a flying f*ck about anyone's family, MassResistance has one cause and one cause only and that is to demonize the LGBT community in the eyes of the people of Massachusetts and the rest of the country and they will go to any length to do this. Call a spade a spade, MassResistance is nothing better than a hate group and you've bought into their hyperbolic propaganda, hook, line and sinker.
Agree, I don't personally care if someone is gay.
But gay people seem to want me to somehow embrace them, almost celebrate their sexuality.
I don't want any kind of sexual relations taught to children.
Apparently Obama does.
Curious isn't it.
I have a relative who serves in our military based in the middle east.
According to him, it is very fashionable for men to have sexual relations with young boys. I am not sure it is a gay thing, it seems to be more of a control issue.
It appears to be widespread.
Muslim thing.
I hate the fact that tax money was used for this terrible, terrible idea, but I think that it's a parent's responsibility to decide if they want their 6 year old to masturbate or not. How's this for a deal – you moralize to your children and i'll moralize to mine. Keep government to what it should do – protecting the freedoms and rights of the people of America.
Some use bisexuality as a way to cheat, some use it in it's true sense – attraction to both sexes.
Do you think if they married someone eles they might have had a normal life without thugs telling people their life loss/history/problems are what more important? Having unstable people come to your door with guns to tell you about their problems and throw you in jail for them without having committed any crimes except in the dark places in their minds? The victims are now considered to have a pre existing conditions which they keep and the one who has given up everything moves through life with your allowance? Thank you community organizers for making such a completely gross/greedy/unconstitutional illegal and stupid program that has become everything it was not to be and the sooner you shut it down the better you will find yourselves when the proverbial S**T HIT THE FAN. If not, you have been notified. Shut the trash called a sex offender/offered registry data base down now.
Sounds like we might know some of the same people. O_o
I don't think palmtree is coming back…
"Born that way!" Right? How intellectually lazy and easy like everything else Lefties pretend to be authorities on these days. Or do you still delude yourself with this "thinking outside the box" silliness? I don't know what the answer is but I know all of the gays I've known were molested by an adult they should have been able to trust. Beyond that, who knows and who is willing to exercise the intellectual vigor to find out? It's been turned into a political issue and will never will be dealt with honestly or to a point of resolution because of that.
[...] Safe Schools Czar December 16, 2009 lesbianoutsider Leave a comment Go to comments Keep your dirty hands off the gay community and our kids! This was the angry outcry voiced by Charles Winecoff today to the Left-wing, progressive propaganda [...]
Yes I agree.
Just another example of this administration "overwheming the system".
Ala Clibor Piven
It's a pet peeve of mine to misinterpret what I was 'interpreting'.
This ain't a point counter point. THIS is opinion, including many varied interpretations as different individuals interpret.
Well first off I'm not gay , I don't visit a lot of gay web sites , and I don't like the "breeder" term either.
You seem to be accepting the facts of what happened here as presented by this site, that's a big mistake as they are full of crap and are non-journalists IMHO. A lot of what they reported is either wrong or exaggerated. You just gloss over that, well I'm not going to. This is part of a right wing campaign to force "czars" to resign, it's gutter politics not a righteous crusade to protect the children.
When that massresistance site says "culture of death" they are talking about gay people right?Sure , they have a right to their opinion just like me or you or anyone. I have gay friends with whom I probably disagree with on a lot of things , but I don't hate their guts because they are gay. THe people who run that massresistance site surely do.
I believe in freedom of thought+speech. If you disaprove of homosexuality you have every right to say so. People who do disaprove tend to be conservative. That is the simple and obvious point I have been trying to make.
Exuse me? The American Psychiatry Society STILL recognizes homosexuality as deviant behavior and way out of the norm for societal behavior, not in dispute.
It's a pet peeve of mine to misinterpret what I was 'interpreting'.
This ain't a point counter point. THIS is opinion, including many varied interpretations as different individuals interpret.
Hmmm . . . years ago the "liberal/progressive" view was that a person was more than just their sexuality, now it seems to be that your sexuality should define everything e.g. political views, social class, taste in music everything about you. -sigh-
I *think* Harry Hay brought into the tolerance is good PoV (which it is) to the extreme; to the point that it blinded all else. To quote(sorta) South Park: "We beleive in tolerance and respect and all that gay stuff, but. Dude. You. Fuck. Kids."
First of all, unless I happen to see something myself, I don't believe it period. I don't believe I ever gave the impression that I was taking anything at face value. You say things were "faked". Okay give me your proof.
Secondly, you say the people at massresistance "hate gays". Okay give me your proof. That is the first time I ever saw that site so I have absolutely no opinion on it. I certainly am not going to take your word for it–especially after you ran around here screaming "see Charles Big Hollywood hates gays!!!" or whatever. How do I know you haven't been co-opted by the thought police on the left?
Disapproving of gays or whatever has nothing to do with political ideology–that is a gross generalization.
They go over all the exaggerations at mediamatters.com if you're interested.
Here's a charming comment from one of the threads on here about Jennings, clearly written by someone who has no hate for gays:
"a couple of months ago i was in a bathroom taking a sqirt at the urinal. A guy comes out of the stall and stands right behind my shoulder and tried to look at my junk (I had sensed him coming and did a quick tuck). He looked down and looked at me, I said "What the F are you doing" he said nothing. Then I cracked him 3 times in the face and knocked him out. (my buddy was in the other stall and heard it all and saw him in the corner as my buddy walked out.)
All men can feel free to send me thanks, I felt like a super hero making bathrooms safer for men everywhere.
I think that has to be the most disgusted I have ever been in my life.
I don't know why they call it a hate crime…I loved every single time my fist connected with his face."
palmtree, that is disgusting. But I would like to put forth that it is possible that whoever wrote that was a troll trying to make this site look bad or someone just being an idiot. I have been here for some time and I find the people open-minded and civil.
It is naive to think that every comment posted here–especially one that is so different than the majority of comments–is a comment made in good faith. We see things like that all the time here and other places. the internets is filled with bored teenagers. How many thumbs up did that post have? Probably none.
Why would you base your whole opinion of a site based on a few stupid comments? My goodness this is the internets which is filled with immature and stupid comments. Maybe you brought just a little prejudice with you when you came? Just a little?
Yeah but they don't "celebrate" it. Usually they seek help at some point.
I read that a large majority of AA members are either Irish or Native American descent. I'm not saying that there is causation but there is definitely correlation.
Gays are the ones who are saying that one is "born" that way, which implies nature. If gayness is nurture rather than nature, then one can assume there is a possibility to change, something gays vehemently refute. I think perhaps they are trying to have it "both ways" (pun not intended). And that really nobody really knows. Thus the alcohol reference.
I'll bet the VAST majority of your friends are also
*Conservative homosexual* ~ oxymoron. If you are a true conservative you believe in God's commanments and the teachings of the greatest man To ever grace the face if the Earth, The Lord Jesus Christ. This is not to say that you are condemned to Hell as all militant gays will have you to believe. God will forgive abherrant behavior, as long as you are TRULY repentant. God is a most merciful God and we cannot even begin to comprehend his mercy. Every day you awaken you have another chance, such is God's love for us, his creations in his own image.
If God wasn't sooooo merciful, why not kill us all and get it over with. His loves knows no bounds. Praise God . AMEN
Palmie, I'll pray for you honey
Yet, somehow you get a "rush or thrill" out ou it. You are elevating yourselves above these disgusting creatures in your minds but you are actually lowering yourselves, because these perverts want you to judge them for what they are doing. There is nothing wrong with seeing what they do and acknowling the sin, just don't attach your resentmesnt to it. Matthew 7:1~"Judge not lest you be judged also". Don't let them take you there. Judgement is reserved for GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF!
You know RSass, I could concur with that, only I believe something environmentally, deep, dark, down inside HAD to have happened to the 'victim', because they are indeed victims of some sort of delusionsl, abhorant behavior. You hit the nail on the head as far as the psycholigical ramifications. But there has to be some physical aspect of child abuse involved. Thence the vicious cycle of repetitive behavior of the homosexual crowd, in that they have to go lower and lower in their de-basement of eachother because they are really judging one another for descending into an unimiginable Hell. It is a secret judgement of eachother that makes themselves feel ego-superior and they are actually playing judge,jury, prosecutor mall in 1.
They are also playing GOD himself in that they are making sure, in their twisted mind, they are sending their "partner" to Hell. They are simply trying to out use the user. Truly a mental, spiritual disease
Perhaps you are gay because you had too much of a "loving " family, too much of an effeminate influence and not enough of a true masculine( not beat you down or abusive, men must learn to be true men), it all comes down to patience tempered with the proper anount of love(sometimes "tough love", once again not abuse). People play too many games in there heads~~*If he/she says this I'll say that*. This dosen't work, we must learn to live in the moment and not react to eachothers reactions which are born of false emotions.If we can learn to reach this true of understanding we shall have HEAVEN on EARTH!!
I wish I were wrong, but conservative homosexual is an oxymoron. Please give this serious, introspective thought before you vilify me.
So, you just admitted homosexuals have weird(un-natural) sexual behavior.Perhaps someday after P.P.C ( Post Politically Correct) era, this will be realized by all.
Yes ma'am, but there is opinion and there is the TRUTH. Unfortunately in this PC day and age the lines have been blurred.
Love your avatar
It's my anti – Braveheart avatar.
Why anti- Braveheart avatar? My last name is Wallace and I am VERY much Scottish. I take no offense, as I am an American first. William Wallace is a very naligned character in history.
I'm an American and 1/2 Scottish as well and I believe William Wallace was a great hero of Scotland, and Braveheart is one of my favorite movies. My avatar is an insult directed at Obama. He is no hero as far as I'm concerned.
BHO is more like a 'craven heart', eh fellow scotsman? Remember, "If it's not Scottish it's not CRAP!!
It's my anti – Braveheart avatar.
Do it yourself,perv. Trying to protect someone, hmmmm? These ststs are easily found, GOOGLE it, perv. Me doth think thou protest too much. If I was in your face you wouldn't call me a liar, guaranteed.
You are also an idiot. Do your own research and then refute it. Man, some people. I''m not here to convince pervs such as yourself of anything, jackazz. Google it or go to fbi.gov, moron.
Yeah right, defend you and your perv friends to the end, sicko. I doubt if charles manson knew what he was doing also. He didn't really believe his followers would commit atrocities, did he?
You are sooooo FULL of $hit. Homosexuals created 'homosexual sex', hence the moniker 'homosexual sex', just ask your hero john sissyfag.
The problem I have is YOUR INFLAMMATORY RHETORIC, such as" why deny children the joys of getting to know eachother intimately through 'fisting'"
?". I'm paraphrasing here, but you did write that on the bg blog just to evoke emotional responses. It's all you have, no facts or truth, just sick, twisted rhetoric. OOOOHHHHH, what a rush. Fist yourself, perv.
I concur!
Show me a truly thinking gay person and I'll show you a chicken with teeth(Oscar Wilde or Perez Hilton, anyone?). Must take a shower now.
Only in your sick, twisted, perverted mind. Go home to mommy.
So you like the little girls, do ya, Hanzo?
Yes I would. I have men like you for a snack, bitch boy.
No, Fagwhore, I don't find young girls or boys sexually attractive, as you must. Big mouth, little shit. I would LOVE to get you in the square ring for just 1 round, 'cause momma' said knock queerz like you out!!
You are a sick and dangerous person.
I really don't want to disrespect the author's essay by getting into some kind of argument with you.
I do not believe the streets would be full of teenage female prostitutes, that little girls would be barter all over the world, that child molestation of young girls would be rampant…if the only pedophiles were queers.
You seem to be dealing with some kinds of issues, and they are issues I don't want to know anything about.
There's an old gay saying that applies to people like you.
"I'm more of a man that you will ever be, and more of a woman than you will ever get".
Best of luck to you.
You stated that you are more of a man than I? Really? Really? How many children have you raised to become well-balanced,productive,successful members of society? None? That's what I thought. I, on the other hand, have raised 3. Just because you have a mans genitalia in your mouth or posterior more than a woman dosen't make you more of a woman either, only verrrrrry mentally disturbed. I'll pray for you.
Save your prayers for the children you sired. I'm sure they have lots to tell their therapists. It will probably hit them around age 40.
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Can't be more transparent than this. Putting a pro-child molester in charge of keeping our children safe?
Is this what the candidate Obama meant by "You will know me by the people I surround myself with"?
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!
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