Comments on: Love, War – and Gay Marriage

By: Don Harryman

Don Harryman — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:29:40 +0000

My oh my, we certainly do like ourselves don't we Charles? You didn't leave the (gay) community, they left you? Yes Charles, having universally shared your opinions amongst ourselves having nothing else to read or opinions to listen to, we all decided to leave you. What narcissistic nonsense. Any extremes in behavior or attitude shown by any gay groups or individuals in the fight over Prop 8 are nothing compared to your pages-long whinefest about how you have been left! Do you really take yourself that seriously? If you imagine yourself in better company with the Republican Party and the Mormon Church, by all means join up. I am sure you will find great comfort there since as you take great pains to point out, neither is as bad as being tortured by Islamist nut cases. Having actually been tortured at BYU by electric aversion therapy, I wish you all the luck in the world with the Mormons. You'll need it. In the meantime, I need make no apology for demanding equal protection under the law, nothing more, nothing less. If you insist on defining the 'gay community' (whatever that is) by extremes of behavior and attitudes, then you need to get out (of yourself) more. If you are going to define me as a homosexual American, then please address yourself to what I say and do and not to the immature or silly antics of others who only share with me the quality of being homosexual. Of course when you join up with all those conservatives who–aw shucks–are just the nicest people but still want homosexuals to accept their oppression because it isn't as bad here as in Saudi Arabia– you will find no extremes there, right?

By: Tomboy

Tomboy — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:06:12 +0000

Not only did Coretta Scott King agree that same sex marriage is a civil rights issue, Bayard Rustin (personal advisor to Dr. King and openly gay man) worked tirelessly for the rights of black Americans and then for the rights of gays everywhere until his death. You disparage these individuals if you truly believe that equality can be attained through separate but equal tactics.

Peace

By: Attmay

Attmay — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:40:18 +0000

I'm not a liberal.

By: Siarlys_Jenkins

Siarlys_Jenkins — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:05:18 +0000

Why don't we just recognize that gays come in every variety on any other issue, veterans come in every variety on any other issue, actually, Republicans and Democrats can't agree among themselves on much either, so if we drop all the stereotypes we can start talking civilly to each other again. (I won't ask that Rush Limbaugh and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence kiss and make up.) I find the legal argument for gay marriage as a constitutional right entirely unpersuasive, I could care less if my state legislature votes to license it, I voted no on my state's "sanctity of marriage" amendment, I might have voted FOR the California amendment, simply because I don't approve of courts adopting the "equal protection" argument. Aside from California, it is worthy of note that every state where the highest court has recognized gay marriage, has failed to pass a constitutional amendment overturning that decision, while every state that adopted a constitutional amendment has a supreme court not inclined to make such a decision anyway.

By: Attmay

Attmay — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:04:41 +0000

You want to see bigotry: Look what these queens have to say about Mary Tyler Moore for describing herself as a "libertarian centrist":

towleroad.com/2009/03/appointment-of-john-berry-the-openly-gay-obama-nominee-to-head-the–office-of-personnel-management-to-be-swift-because-of-t.html#comments

Note she said nothing about gays, she even disagreed with ex-President Bush on one issue. But it proves (to me anyway) that Charles is right.

They define bigotry by party affiliation and not actions. Bush is a "bigot" for opposing gay marriage (wrong, yes, but bigoted is questionable at best), but Obama is not.

It is doubtful she's another Anita Bryant. At least she balances out Ed Asner. Their stale Republican-bashing aside, their "jokes" about her diabetes crossed the line. My mom is diabetic (albeit Type 2) and I worry about what long-term effects it will have on her health.

It occured to me right then and there that if these "people" are the face of the gay "community" (and I feel NO sense of community with other gays for these reasons), then the battle for gay marriage in the US is lost. It was like a wet, dirty rag slapped across my face. Again. The same thing that happened on 9/11.

I stand by my beliefs on gay marriage but I apologize to anyone I have insulted.

By: katie

katie — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:43:09 +0000

Sleeping Beastly is absolutely right. The Communists see an idealist not as him or herself but just as a faceless nobody who can be turned into a soldier in the Communist's war for absolute power.

By: DistantThunder

DistantThunder — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:09:11 +0000

A recent article detailed how parents in Britain were being threatened with court action because they wanted to opt-out, pull their kindergartners on days when gays were making presentations on gay love. The parents thought that it was too early for their children to learn about it, and just want to have the choice. The government said: It is legal therefore you have no choice but to subject your children to our programs. The government was willing to fine them and haul them to court.
This is the biggest fear and objection I have to the gay agenda – that they want to force parents to expose children at the youngest ages to the intricacies of homosexuality – and then use government force against those who resist. Another group in the UK wanted to teach about the advantages of gay relationships. I think that crosses over into recruiting. Not appropriate for school, and parents should have the final say.

Parents Face Prosecution Over Gay Education Class Protest (BTW, this is fascist.)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5...

By: Shug

Shug — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:26:15 +0000

Excellent Essay Charles. I found your blog from a link posted at http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33123/com...

I agree with every word of this essay

By: Sleeping Beastly

Sleeping Beastly — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:46:13 +0000

"When did the gays get so mean, anyway?"

When they signed on with Communists. I saw the same thing happen to the peace movement. The Reds are great at organizing things (the rest of us peaceniks were just not driven enough) but as soon as you let them start planning your activities, realize they're just using your cause as a stepping stone to The Revolution.

By: RPB

RPB — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:45:48 +0000

Sharon, I suspect that had you been born a lesbian you would have a slightly more open pespective on the quality or validity of gay relationships. Then again, had I been born a heterosexual, I might be just as closed-minded as you.