My Real Time with Brigitte Gabriel
by Charles WinecoffIt seems obvious to me that national security is an everybody issue. And apparently, all kinds of people sign up for Act For America’s training seminars – Christians, Jews Hindus Atheists, lesbians, gays, people of all colors and creeds – not just trailer park stereotypes that the ill-informed automatically presume. Brigitte Gabriel is unabashedly gay friendly, feminist friendly, progress friendly, and more socially liberal friendly than her detractors would ever dare to admit – because, as she says herself, “that’s what Western civilization is all about.”
It’s not about calling women second class citizens and feeling supreme above all others. We’ve had enough trouble fighting supremacist movements here in the US already – and now we have a black President to prove the battle is almost over. So why are the Chris Roddas out there trying to malign and marginalize someone who is fighting to prevent another supremacist group – radical Islamists – from asserting their macho supremacy anew?
Last December, some well-intended holiday gift donations to ActforAmerica.org, the grassroots group that empowers citizens to fight the cultural jihad here at home, changed my life. They triggered a coming out letter to my family and friends – that became my public coming out on Big Hollywood as a recovering knee-jerk spawn of the boob tube who learned, thanks to 9/11, to stop hating America.
If writing that piece was hard, publishing it on BH was even harder. I had no idea what to expect. And while I still got the silent treatment from more of my “liberal” friends than I would have liked, the comments from the diverse readers of BH were overwhelmingly supportive, and very touching.
The biggest thrill, however, was getting an enthusiastic comment from ActforAmerica.org’s founder, Brigitte Gabriel – who invited me to get in touch with her. Not only had I read both of Ms. Gabriel’s books, Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America and They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It, but I had long enjoyed her TV appearances on Fox News, MSNBC, etc. I admired her outspokenness and was definitely a fan.
So I left a message for Ms. Gabriel at ActforAmerica.org, and she promptly called me back. We agreed to meet in about a month when she would be in town. She could not have been nicer on the phone. I was on cloud nine.
But in the ensuing weeks, a lifetime of brainwashing by Katie Couric reared its ugly head. Who was Brigitte Gabriel anyway? Sure, I’d read about her horrendous, violent childhood in war-torn Lebanon, spent in a bomb shelter, under siege by radical Islamic militants. Why did she want to meet me?
I turned to YouTube to remind myself why I was drawn to her. Brigitte Gabriel wasn’t boring. She could rattle off terrorist attacks, names, dates, and Arabic countries like nobodies business. She had great hair. She was fiery, passionate. Sometimes she almost seemed to be playing with her fellow TV guests / opponents, like a cat swatting at its prey. She almost always ended her segments with a winning smile.
But one thing concerned me: several of the YouTube clips showed her speaking live before very large church groups – for instance, in one video she addressed an audience at something called the “Prophecy Conference.” Hmmm. In another clip, she was interviewed on a little-known Christian talk show titled Inspiration Today.
Being a gay guy from New York City, naturally my back went up. Though I’ve personally not had any unpleasant encounters with folks who identify as Christian - in fact, these days I’m glad they’re out there – old habits die hard. After all, I was raised by a TV set.
So I wondered: was Brigitte Gabriel a born-again evangelical nut? If so, perhaps I was going a little too far with my fresh out-of-the-conservative-closet, kid-in-a-candy-store enthusiasm.
I decided to turn it over to a power greater than myself (like God).
Then, about a week before we were set to meet, I was watching the season premiere of Real Time with Bill Maher (old habits really do die hard) when who should turn up as his via-satellite guest to talk about the recent beheading in upstate New York (that The New York Times failed to report on for an entire week) but my favorite freedom fighter, Brigitte Gabriel. Here’s the clip:
I was proud of my girl. She did good. She didn’t come across angry or humorless (unlike certain other self-important celebrities we know) - no, she demonstrated real show biz savvy by taking her cue from Maher himself and going with the comedy flow. Yet she still managed to make her points.
And she looked fabulous.
But no sooner had Gabriel proved herself the next best thing to Eva Longoria Parker, than radical Islam’s allies were out for blood. Three days later, Chris Rodda of something called the Military Religious Freedom Foundation – and author of the obviously bipartisan and tolerant Liars for Jesus: the Religious Right’s Alternate Version of American History – came out swinging on The Huffington Post.
Rodda described Gabriel as “a woman who very few of Maher’s viewers had probably ever heard of before” - uh, guess again, honey - then proclaimed, “I, on the other hand, knew exactly who she was.’ She went on to label Gabriel a “Christian supremacist.”
Apparently, Rodda was behind yet another leftwing blacklist, this one designed “to put a stop to the speaking appearances and lectures by radical Islamophobes at our military colleges and service academies… we had just been informed that our hard-fought battle was paying off, and Gabriel’s name had been struck from a list of potential speakers at one of our military’s educational institutions.” Nice.
Rodda continued: “While Maher was just exploiting the irony of the story, Brigitte Gabriel was given a forum to further her fear-mongering cause… With her glee in proclaiming on Real Time that Muzzammil Hassan had called the police to ‘brag’ that he had murdered his wife… Gabriel came across to the audience as a funny, personable guest. To those of us familiar with Gabriel, however, her glee was taken as something quite different.”
Really? I was under the distinct impression she was just taking her cue from Rodda’s hero, Mr. Anti-Religion himself, Bill Maher.
Rodda ended her screed to Maher – one of the only people in the MSM who dared to bring up the un-politically correct, tragic beheading at all – with a plea that he publicly discredit Ms. Gabriel: “Bill, you want some real religious insanity to have some fun with? Make Brigitte Gabriel your target, not your guest.”
Better yet, BIll: invite Chris Rodda to face off with Brigitte Gabriel – and see who wins. (The big irony, of course, is that while Rodda works surreptitiously behind the scenes to marginalize and destroy a woman who is essentially a fellow feminist, Gabriel is fighting on the front lines to protect people like Rodda from oppression and even death.)
Three days later, my partner (i.e. the man I live in sin with) and I met the Christian crusader in person for coffee. Since she often has to travel incognito – death threats, you know (I wonder how many of those Rodda gets) - I imagined she might be disguised in a frumpy housecoat, or even a hijab.
Not a chance. When Brigitte Gabriel finally walked in, three words immediately went through my mind: va, va, and voom. Dressed in a form-fitting white jumpsuit, a silky leopard pattern shawl, and sunglasses, Gabriel looked every inch a Hollywood star. (Hey, when in Rome…) This was a woman who was clearly proud of her assets, and not about to hide them, Prophet Muhammad be damned. Even I had to admit she was smokin’.
And she has a personality to match: warm, direct, almost ridiculously exuberant. As she put it herself, she is “high on life” – a cliche, I know, but in her case I believe it. Unlike the glamor pusses of Tinsel Town, Gabriel has actually experienced the dark side of human nature up close and personal – and lived to tell the tale. Why shouldn’t she be ecstatic?
And tell her tale she does. Gabriel matter-of-factly compares the shrapnel scars on her arm to the Nazi ID numbers tattooed on the arms of Jews – a disarming reminder, especially coming from such a sexy, vivacious, and sanguine lady.
That said, we had a lovely time chatting about our families, sharing personal stories – and let me be the first to tell Chris Rodda: there is nothing bitter or bigoted about this woman. You would be hard-pressed to find anyone with as much optimism as Brigitte Gabriel. She’s got positive vibes to spare.
As for the question of her being a Christian supremacist? Not. She’s as Christian as I am – that’s our liberal heritage in the truest, most fundamental, humanitarian sense. She gushed over my partner, and they hit it off like old friends (and BTW, he’s a staunch Obama supporter and recovering Catholic).
Gabriel speaks from a wholly secular viewpoint. She does not quote scripture – nor does she Bible bash. She is simply freedom friendly. Coming from the Middle East, she knows we’ve got a good thing going here freedom-wise – because she saw her native Lebanon lose it, and she doesn’t take it for granted the way far too many of us, who were born here, do.
That’s why she has made it her mission to make sure the kind of radical Islamic takeover that turned her homeland into a near Islamic state doesn’t happen here. At least, as she told us, “not on my watch.” This gay man is happy to join her in that crusade.
Okay, so I’m a little biased. Meeting Brigitte Gabriel confirmed my suspicion that the truth about people is much more complex, and much more hopeful, than the talking heads on television (and Ms. Rodda included) want us to believe. We are not all red or blue. We are not all anything. What we are is a lot more diverse than we’re given credit for.
But there’s always been power in keeping people in the dark, and defining those we don’t like through the eyes of our own presumptions. Note to Rodda: I would suggest you do coffee with Gabriel before meeting her face-to-face on Maher’s show.
So watch out for this dynamo of a little lady, Hollywood. You’ll be seeing more and more of her in the near future.
And thank you again, Andrew Breitbart, for encouraging me come out this second time. If you hadn’t, I might never have had the chance to meet one of my heroes. It almost feels like being in love.





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Objectivism is the Christianity without 'the Christ'… it codifies the tenets of the faith in a profoundly secular way-
keeping the fruit of one's own labor, cooperation in a spirit of self interest… it's why Ayn Rand is now the 'hot new idea' 40 years later. Christian concepts make the world go 'round and round… no apologies needed.
"So I wondered: was Brigitte Gabriel a born-again evangelical nut?" Thanks so much for your "tolerant" view of the "Born Again". As you people ask for tolerance it's a shame you can't find a way to give any.
This is generally for you or any of the "emergent" Christians who react with similar STUPIDITY upon hearing that someone is a "born again" Christian. Most of those who have made this claim were verifiably not "born again". Most of them have not had the identical experience, laboriously recorded in the Book oF Acts which Chronicles what exactly constitutes being "born again". See, Acts 1:4, 8, Acts 2:1-33, Acts 2:37,38, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:1-6 for an idea.
It amazes me the "snark" with which some people condemn being "born again" even though upon casual inspection, they have NO IDEA what this even means. For instance, EVERY non-"born again" Christian who fancies themselves a "Follower of Christ" is going to BURN IN HELL. Because guess who said that you MUST be "born again"? JESUS CHRIST said that.
John 3:1-8 (King James Version)
John 3
1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
See, ultimately it doesn't matter what Jerry Falwell, Crefo Dollar, Billy Graham or any OTHER preacher who doesn't follow the bible on the issue of salvation, might say. It doesn't matter what some homosexual on a blog, might say. The only thing that matters is what the Lord of Lord's and King of Kings has ALREADY said. And He said quite clearly that without being BORN AGAIN, you can neither SEE nor ENTER into the kingdom of God. Perhaps you'll let this bit of truth ameliorate your ignorance on the subject.
Those same people who will rush to defend a Muslim from 'religious persecution' will attack Christians at any opportunity.
Another great job Charles, if only the liberal media actually took the time to meet the subjects they are so critical of, we'd all be better off. Oh, I forgot! They don't need to do research or due diligence. Their, you know, hearts are in the right place.
Very nice post. I had heard about Ms. Gabriel, but didn't know much. After reading your column, I feel quite jealous (and I loved the "Living in sin" line….very funny).
Very nice post. I had heard about Ms. Gabriel, but didn't know much about her. After reading your column, I feel quite jealous (and I loved the "Living in sin" line….very funny).
Charles,
Thank you for your article and providing the link to ActforAmerica. It's very cool you got to meet and spend time with Brigitte Gabriel, a woman of great courage and integrity. She along with, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, are true heroes and should be embraced by feminists all over the world for defending Western civilization and speaking out in the battle against radical Islamists.
While reading your article, I could not help but think of these words written not too long ago by another brave warrior who is no longer with us…
'There are moments in Life when keeping silent becomes a fault, and speaking an obligation. A civic duty, a moral challenge, a categorical imperative from which we cannot escape'
Oriana Fallaci
-The Rage and The Pride
Good article about someone I've never heard of, but want to hear more of.
But did have to use the phrase "recovering Catholic?" I'm not sure if it's a bigoted term, but it sure as hell is annoying.
Another good post CW. Well done. But… "recovering Catholic"? "Former Catholic" not accurate enough? Had to get that shot in? I guess some of those old habits die harder than you even think. But as Victor Lazlo said to Rick, "Welcome to the fight."
One of my Islam education books is Ms. Gabriel's "Why They Hate." It sits proudly on my bookshelf along with some of Robert Spencer's works, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Noni Darwish along with translations of the Koran and the Hadith and other books that give the PC treatment to the religion. I wanted to know about Islam after 9/11 and after reading the first batch of books, I still felt that there was something I was missing. After reading the second batch of non-PC books, it's amazing how much clearer the stuff coming out of the Middle East is and how much more worrisome a recent pro-Islam media blitz in my hometown is.
generally agree with her. but she needs to slow down. the machine gun speaking pattern grates on my nerves.
You just reminded my of why, even though Maher tends to apall me at times, I still like the guy. He's an equal opportunity offender, and he brought two important issues into the light of day here.
Ms Gabriel is one of my heros. This woman is remarkable with a very compelling story… And boy oh boy does she have passion!
I could listen to her for hours and hours.
I sorely miss Oriana Fallaci. I wish I knew her before her last year.. when I first encountered her. Her interviewing skills are phenomenal. I really recommend to everyone to seek out her interview with the Ayatollah Khomeni.. it's so outrageous and a bit of extreme humor.
re: "recovering Catholic" , oh, please! Lighten up for crying out loud. This is nothing compared to what folks like Rodda and Maher say about Catholics and Christians in general.
I know lots of Catholics who wouldn't be at all bothered by that phrase. Unlike some other religious practicioners in certain parts of the world, they'd use it to spark a conversation about Charles' partner's thoughts on the subject.
Gabriel is to be commended for her frank observations of what's actually being done by radicals in the Islamic world.
Thanks for countering the left's smears with this piece, Charles. And congratulations – I'm jealous you got to meet Ms. Gabriel.
"Rodda described Gabriel as 'a woman who very few of Maher’s viewers had probably ever heard of before'…”
That says way more about Maher's fans than it does about Brigitte Gabriel.
I often self-identify as "Recovering Catholic". It's humorous but it does reference how deeply early religious training goes. I was chatting with an Argentinian friend of mine and found I could recite a Perfect Act of Contrition even though I had not been to confession in almost 40 years.
I absolutely agree 100% about lightening up regarding "recovering Catholic."
However, it would be easier to be lighthearted about it, if the author hadn't also said, not three paragraphs later, that "the truth about people is much more complex, and much more hopeful than the talking heads on television want us to believe." I'm left to wonder (lightheartedly, of course) if Catholics are excluded from that view.
Otherwise, completely agree about the bravery of Gabriel and also Charles Winecoff for their fight against radical Islam and it's violence against women and gays and Christians, for that matter.
I've read both of Brigitte Gabriel's books — she's a magnificent, brave person.
People like her — and Robert Spencer, and the others mentioned in Winecoff's entry — are very important if we are going to counter and ultimately defeat this stealth jihad, this P.R. machine that Islamists have launched against Western Civilization.
Mr. Winecoff,
You are such an inspiration. Your entries are my favorite on this blog, and trust me, it's really hard to choose among such a sea of a talent. I cite your "coming out" on here as my political views on facebook, you have quite a knack for articulating the issues. I would post all of your entries everywhere all the time, but I figured my friends will start feeling spammed.
Thank you for being so brave. It's beyond refreshing to read your words.
I was thinking of Fallaci as well, Jimmy.
And Charles, I'm, totally jealous, man.
Nice work
BINGO! When does that girl BREATH??
"Being a gay guy from New York City, naturally my back went up. Though I’ve personally not had any unpleasant encounters with folks who identify as Christian – in fact, these days I’m glad they’re out there – old habits die hard. After all, I was raised by a TV set." YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET OUT MUCH DO YOU? At least not in the trenches of LGBT Rights and activism…
"YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET OUT MUCH DO YOU? At least not in the trenches of LGBT Rights and activism…"
TomLang
Geez…you’re just full of love, tolerance and general good cheer aren't you there Skippy.
Why is it that you “activists” have to scream and belittle people to make your point?
Having Anger management problems are we?
It must be absolute bloody hell for you in those expresso, latte’, mocha coconut frapachino coffee house “trenches” that you frequent, helping you build up your caffeinated courage for the big fight for "LBGT rights".
Try and push your agenda over in Iran or Saudi Arabia where you might be more useful to your cause.
Do you have THAT kind of courage to try? I didn't think so. They hang "LBGT activists" there. Not here in the U.S.
Save it for your friends, the grown ups are having a conversation here.
Not Over.
[...] is always great to watch. You can see Maher squirming some as he does not quite make a conving argument as to why Americans [...]
Great and very honest post about one of the bravest women of our day. It is telling that — in this day of American self-doubt and (too often) sheer cowardice (though — let me be perfectly clear on this point — NOT on the part of our military men and women) — there seem to be — proportionately — more women (e.g., Michelle Malkin, Pam Geller, Debbie Schlussel, Ilana Mercer, Laura Ingraham, and, of course, Brigitte Gabriel, and others) who have found the courage to call out the domestic Islamic threat for what it is than have men (e.g., Michael Savage, Robert Spencer, Mr Bostom, Daniel Pipes, and several others).
You are a very odd man
Here is Ms. Gabriel at the Heritage Foundation. Very moving, very informative.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-23613832...
Thank you…It seems I've been down graded by you from being "crazed", to just merely, "odd".
I'm disappointed…I must be slipping in my later years.
Just doing my "activist" part in keeping it "real man".
Not Over.
Thanks for the link.
She's a Grand Lady. I've been following her for years now.
Not Over.
Charles, nice article. I think what many people don't understand about liberalism is that it's really become anti-Western. They don't like the West's philosophical tennants of freedom for the individual. They want collectivism. During the Reagan-Clinton years, they watched Western culture spread to every corner of the world. With the collapse of communism (in Russia, Eastern Europe, India, China, and South America) as the opposition to Western style free-market capitalism and liberal democracy, they lost their sole ally.
Enter Islamic fundamentalism (IF). To hopeless liberals, this must have seemed like a (cough cough) Godsend. It preaches against everything the West stands for and seeks to actively undermine the West. So liberals spat on their old communist friends and embraced IF as their new ally in the belief that they could use it to undermine the West all over the world. What they fail to understand is that IF cannot be controlled by them or put back in the bottle once they've softened up the West enough for collectivist thought to "take over."
(cont)
With the economic crisis, they have found a new ally to aid their cause — economic panic. Thus, they no longer need IF. I will bet you that in the next year, liberals "discover" the more horrible parts of IF and turn against it.
AP, while I agree to a point that the libs aren't as strident in opposing IF as any non-IF-er should be, and libs do agree w/ much of the West-hating, they really don't have the 'nads to come right out and adopt IF-ers as fellow travelers. I suggest that lots of ex-Commies, Socialists, Marxists,etc are using environmentalsim as the club to beat on the West's head. Agree?
Dom, I agree about environmentalism — what a great cause for them, because the environment can't talk back and complain about how things are going. And when it does, you just manipulate the data.
I don't think the commie/soczies view the IF as fellow travelers in the true sense so much as useful idiots. To borrow an Arab saying, they are taking the approach of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." They won't criticize IF because they want to see IF destablizes pro-Western regimes in the middle East and far East. After all, both oil and cheap labor fuel capitalism. If the IF can collapse these regimes and cause economic problems, then they can swoop in with their kooky theories about collectivism.
So what I'm saying, is that they don't see them as fellow travellers so much as a fire that they hope burns down their enemies' houses, which is why they've been silent in opposing the fire. I think now that we have an economic crisis, they will decide that fire is no longer needed and argue that it should be put out.
Another great article Charles; I like your writing. BH has really become one of my favorite places for a variety of columns/information.
BTW, every born-again Evangelical I personally know is a wonderful person. Not so for the wacked-out flaming Gays I encounter (I'm a hairdresser). Yes, many are judged first and then given the 'opportunity' to prove themselves otherwise.
Touche.
Brilliant, charismatic woman. I always enjoy her appearances.
What I found fascinating was how Maher was her buddy and laughing right along with her *until* she called into question President Obama's interview with Al-Arabiya and his apology(?) toward the Muslim world. Then and *only* then did Maher start pushing back and disagreeing with her. It is okay to criticize the evils of Islam. It is not okay – in Maher's view – to question the Obamessiah.
dude you gotta put that stone down. you can still be informative, even preachy, without the snarky sharky stone you're wielding. try adding 'humility' to your next attempt at tippy tappy typing on a keyboard in a comments section.
Stone??? How about a "brick" directed at him!
Being a gay guy from New York City, naturally my back went up. Though I’ve personally not had any unpleasant encounters with folks who identify as Christian"
If you've never had any unpleasant encounters with Christians, why would your back go up? I've seen gay men in a movie that swish around and talk in an irritating way, but the ones I've met aren't like that. I've also seen news stories about blacks in gangs that shoot each other, but the blacks I know aren't like that. You've probably seen stories about some religious crazy that hates everybody, but if the Christians you know are nice ordinary people, why do you expect "born-agains" to be nuts?
I feel to much hate here. You cause harm to getting the Good News out.
Remember Jesus said: (Matthew 5:21-22)
You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.'
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.
Vinny, behave yourself. That is no way to act. If you believe as you say you do, you should know better.
It may surprise many readers of this blog that a good number of us who self-identify as "liberals" are just as anti-Islamofascism as you. The world is not so simple and people and issues are not so black and white. We love America, we support our troops, and we are staunch capitalists. I understand the need to use labels in political conversation. But if we're going to throw everyone in one bucket or the other, is it fair to assume that all conservatives wish to completely do away with gun laws, want to outlaw abortion even if it means saving the life of the mother, and really regret that Bush never invaded Iran?
I am unsure about Brigitte Gabriel's life story's authenticity. However she has, in the past asserted that her fellow Arabs had “ no souls'' and that President Obama was an “anti Semite''. That does not exactly enhance her credibility.
Likewise, her fellow anti Muslim crusader Ayaan Hirsi Ali was stripped of her Dutch citizenship after it turns out her life story was one big fabrication.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but those are the facts……
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