Poverty Novelty: Author Behind Oscar-Nominated ‘Precious’ Has It All Wrong
by Charles C. JohnsonSapphire, the author of Push, spoke at my college, Claremont McKenna on February 8. Her book was made into the movie, Precious – which is now a serious contender for the Oscars.
The question and answer period quickly descended into the kind of self-flagellation that white liberals and modern academia have come to demand whenever we discuss the issue of race in America. It’s important to fact check these types of speakers because they allow so much misinformation and disharmony into our culture.

Ask yourself: Why is an author of a book designed to empower black people so wrong about their accomplishments and history? Could it be that she is profiting off of showing a slanted view? I took a detailed recording of Sapphire’s talk, so that it could appropriately discusses and ultimately rebutted, if necessary. Among several of the ridiculous things that Sapphire blamed on the white man was the disintegration of the black family from slavery, but in reality, slaves actually had stronger marriages than Sapphire would have us believe:
Sapphire: In any article in the New York Times, Ishmael Reed who is criticizing Precious mentions that incest is not confined to one group of people.
I agree, but I argue that it does have a different place in the African-American culture than it does in white American culture where it is equally as prevalent. During slavery, many black women were impregnated by their masters who were often their fathers. The white male was literally the master of the plantation. He had sex with who he wanted to – black women, children, and men. This was the family structure most slaves were exposed to. Black men were not allowed to act out the role of the father. They themselves were raped like women in addition to being turned into stud-like breeders. Black people I would argue as a race have yet to accept the fact that our men were treated like “bitches” during slavery. Nor have we dealt with the impact that has had on the generations of us that have come out of slavery.
Fact check: The black family was disintegration long afterward, thanks to the Great Society programs.
From Pages 188 to 189 of Thomas Sowell’s Ethnic America: A History (Paperback) [Internal citations omitted] [Emphasis mine]:
The black world was ultimately the only world in which slaves could find emotional fulfillment and close attachments, and to become a pariah there meant personal devastation . . . Incest taboos, for example, were more widely observed among slaves than among contemporary whites. Marriages between first cousins were common among white slave owners, but very rare among black slaves, in keeping with differences in incest taboos between Europe and Africa. . . . Even slave owners found it expedient to accommodate the wider incest taboos of black by allowing marriages between their slaves and slaves who lived on other farms and plantations, even when there were eligible mates (by white standards) in the slave plantation community. In one rare case of nuclear family incest, the slave owner was forced to sell a father who made his daughter pregnant, for other slaves had threatened to kill him.”. . .
Slave marriages and slave family relations had no legal standing, but usually lasted for decades, if not a lifetime. . . . Sometimes slave marriages were forcibly terminated, usually by the sale of one of the partners. Most of these forcibly terminated marriages had also lasted many years. . . .
Later on to a question of how to fix public education in the inner city, Sapphire said that the problems of the inner city could be solved with reduced class-size.
Fact check: There’s little evidence that class size has anything to do with educational attainment.
University of Rochester economist Eric Hanushek examined 277 separate published studies on the effect of teacher-pupil ratios and class-size averages on student achievement. Only 15 percent suggested that there is a “statistically significant” improvement in achievement, 72 percent found no effect at all, and 13 percent found that reducing class size had a negative effect on achievement.
. . . Although American students lag behind other students in international testing, American classrooms have an average class size of 23 students, incredibly few compared with the averages of 49 in South Korea, 44 in Taiwan, and 36 in Japan. Washington has an average class size below the national average, yet ranks near the bottom in academic achievement. We shouldn’t forget that average class size in American schools dropped from 30 in 1961 to 23 in 1998, without any improvement in standardized-test scores. (Source: Casey Lartigue, Education Week, September 29, 1999).
Sapphire said that she was taking some notes and planning to write a new novel featuring the real lives of black women. Maybe she should take some notes from Zora Neale Hurston, who she lionized after responding to a question about the similarities between Push and Their Eyes Were Watching God: “I’m so into Zora Neale Hurston that for a little while I was telling people to call me Zora,” she said.
The real Zora Neal Hurston would be disgusted at the kind of poverty novelty that Sapphire exploits.
She wrote, in her famous essay, How It Feels to Be Colored Me:
I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow dammed up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. . . . I do not belong to the sobbing school of Negrohood who hold that nature has somehow given them a lowdown dirty deal and whose feelings are all hurt about it.
It’s the old idea, trite but true, of helping people to help themselves that will be the only salvation of the Negro in this country. No one from the outside can do it for him.
Now wouldn’t it be cool if they made a movie about that?






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facts do not need be quoted when one is race hustling, facts only get in the way.
Well, we've evolved from simply the "straw man" argument to the "straw WHITE man argument."
"The white male was literally the master of the plantation. He had sex with who he wanted to – black women, children, and men. This was the family structure most slaves were exposed to."
Such depravity occurred on occasion. But this was hardly the norm among slave owners any more than it was the norm among blacksmiths and farmers. Owning something and abusing something are not wise business practices even for owners of slaves.
I like your article, but I have to say that the typos turned a powerful and well-researched piece into a bit of a mess for me.
No offense meant, just offering constructive criticism.
e.g.
"the wider incest taboos of black by allowing marriages between their slaves and slaves who lived on other farms and plantations the wider incest taboos of blacks by allowing marriages between their slaves and slaves who lived on farms and plantations"
Also, on first reference you refer to Zora Neal Hurston as "Zora Neal Hurton."
“I’m so into Zora Neale Hurston that for a little while I was telling people to call me Zora,” she said.
What is she – a five year old?
Charles C. Johnson, you will be called a racist for pointing these things out. Which is why the disinformation has been allowed to continue. There are a few Republicans in top jobs who have the stones to confront the lies of the left, but very few. Best to be armed with strong information, as you are. It's difficult, uncomfortable work, but it must be done. It's already late.
The one bright spot of Obama's election was supposed to be the death of the race-hustling game…
…con artists like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were to be put out to pasture…
…that's why Jesse was caught famously whispering on an open mic, referring to Obama – "I'll cut his b*lls off."
…Jesse said that because Obama said Black men must take more responsibility for their children…
…anything that threate
What about the Arab man, who devastated North Africa in his gluttony for female sex-slaves? What about the male slaves taken for military laborers, who were castrated to make them more docile? What about the children born of those aforementioned female slaves, who were generally killed out of hand, because purchasing a new adult slave was far cheaper than raising a slave-child?
What does "Sapphire" have to say about the suspicious lack of blacks, much less black family structure, in Arabia and the Arabised nations, who traded in blacks for more than a thousand years?
No, an artiste. Which, in terms of emotional growth, amounts to the same thing.
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For a while I was telling people to call me "Sire", after reading "Ivanhoe", but it never caught on…
"…Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
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I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
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And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html
Who is keeping who down now? Our president is black. All barriers in finding a job, in living where you want to live, in reaching your full potential–these barriers are gone. The only barriers are self-imposed–misplaced hate, bitterness, weakness in the face of difficulty–these can be overcome, but all the Obamas, the Wrights, the Farrakahns, the Jacksons, and the Sharptons can't overcome them for anyone but themselves. Standing up and achieving your chunk of prosperity is not something that someone else can give you, or do for you. It's something you have to do yourself. And the people in the list two sentences up are not lightening the load for today's black men and women; instead, they are adding weight to it.
Sapphire is getting her history from novels then further embellishing it. Liberals fall for this schtick because feeling is so much better than thinking in their minds.
I don't know why anyone black men or women would support this lady. She is the same as tyler perry, oprah, and
Alice Walker. All they do is put down us black men and make black women seem like they are dumb and have to be saved by liberal lesbian black women or gay black men.
I'm a racist, you're a racist wouldn't you like to be a racist too!
Beats working for a living.
For those of you who have not, I recommend reading "Uncle Tom's Cabin" because, to me, Uncle Tom is an heroic character. After he is sold the first time, he and his wife try earning money to buy his freedom so he could return to his family. Uncle Tom also protects other slaves while on Simon Legree's farm, even to the extent of losing his life.
You will also notice that two characters in that novel are excellent parallels to two current real life "characters" – Sharpton and Jackson. I'll let you decide who those two characters are.
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"For true patriots to remain silent, is dangerous." Samuel Adams
"Conservatives climb mountains, progressives dig holes." Me.
Good grief. Still blaming slavery for their current dire straights? The slave/race card has been played out now. Fewer and fewer people are able to sympathize with this type of excuse making anymore. Blacks need to be responsible and accountable and stop behaving like children. No intelligent person buys for a second that a gang of hoodlums are only uneducated, violent and deadly because of slavery that occurred over a 150 years ago. Why don't Sharpton and Jackson attack the only countries that still actively practice slavery today? Oh nevermind, because they are black countries. It's time to start calling a spade a spade. No pun intended. When you are unable to pinpoint a single community, town, city, etc., that is predominately black in this country that is actually prospering, the dog and pony show needs to come to an abrupt end.
The great secret not told in society and history class is that Slavery was not totally a racial thing. In Charleston, the percentage of free blacks owning slaves is 1830 – 25.3%, 1840 – 22.4% 1850 – 23.6% and in 1860 -92.0%. In 1860 3,000 free blacks owned 20,000 black slaves in the South, 10,000 blacks were owned by free blacks in South Carolina alone. 8 of the richest people in the south, before the civil war, were black. One of the best known and most prosperous were Marie Metoyer, of Louisiana, who had 20,000 acres and 500 slaves. (U.S. Census figures) Another big secret that is hushed up, not all black people were slaves (duh, just look at the above ;0) ) In 1776, 60,000 were free blacks, by 1810 the amount was 186,000 free blacks, by 1860 there was 500,000 freed black. And, for all you who say it was only in the north, free blacks comprised, as a percentage of the Black population, 4% in the deep south, 10% in Upper South. It must be remembered also that black, both free and enslaved, were only 10% of the total population, black and white, before the Civil War. The last census recorded the black population to be 12% of the total population.
I have a feeling blacks will remain at 12% according to the census for centuries to come. Odd, since most black women great each other by asking "how many kids you got" more often than saying "hello." Just a thought
Decreasing class size only does one thing… increase the need for unionized gov't workers (aka teachers).
She will have to check with Louis Farakhan's Nation of Islam, and get back in touch.
She's mad because now the movie is just being promoted as "Precious" instead of "Precious based on the novel Push by Sapphire".
I'm sure a white man was behind that too.
As a White male descendent of the Bronze Age, I apologize to the Stone & Iron Ages.
Wait a minute. I thought the black "leaders" said that the CIA introduced drugs and AIDS to the black community in order to destroy them? Now the destructive roots (no pun intended) are embedded in slavery?
When the hustle is in full force (CNN is still running repeats of their "Black in America" trilogy) remember one thing and remember well and yell it loud to all who will listen:
Black people only make up 12% of the American population!!!!!!
Don't let them con you. I erase the white guilt K-12 indoctrination every day by teaching the REAL history of the world.
The CIA also gave blacks assault rifles so they could wipe each other out. Strange how none of these people that received all these goodies from Uncle Sam have ever come forward. Hmm…..
Seriously, I seldom do this, but speaking for myself and black women everywhere, I'm totally calling b.s. on a moronic statement like this. Please go straight to Hell. Thank you.
Maatkare…. I am sorry that you think facts are B.S., but facts are facts. They are all available to check out, I am sorry that you think that Slavery was just about race, it was an economic answer to a need for labor. A factor in the development of black slaveholders was the desire of “free persons of color” to operate in the economic world of white slaveholders and to be as equal to whites as possible. By the mid 1700’s to early 1800’s, most free blacks considered themselves more American than they did African, for almost all of them had been born on American soil, free or slave. They wanted to live the same life as whites, and they saw slaveholding as a way to become more equal with their white counterparts.
From the article “Black Slaveowners”, there comes the example of Richard Holloway. Richard Holloway was a black slaveholder in Charleston, and most of his family papers are in the archives at the Avery Research Center for African American History.
“… Richard Holloway, Sr., and free black of Charleston City, bought a slave named Charles Benford in order that the slave might enjoy his freedom. Yet at the same time, he owned other slaves who were not treated so kindly. In 1834, for instance, he purchased a Negro woman named Sarah and her two children, Annett and Edward, from Susan B. Robertson for $575. Within three years after the purchase, he apparently became dissatisfied with the slave family and sold them for $945. Even though Richard Holloway, Sr., allowed a trusted servant to enjoy a greater degree of freedom, he was still a slaveowner for profit. So he sold and purchased slaves as an investment even while he held other slaves for benevolent reasons.”
Actually, that's still on the posters, in the credits, and the official name under which it's been nominated for awards. If she's mad at anything, it'd be that Oprah didn't have her on when she featured the actors and director.
I agree. I couldn't finish reading it. Maybe the other side doesn't count off for spelling and grammar, but we should be held to a higher standard.
The real crime wasn't slavery. Slavery was legal and an accepted practice. We've evolved since and we should not hold society of that time to our standards. The real crime were the Jim Crowe laws. After we had decided to eliminate slavery and accept them as members of our society, the institutionalized racism violated their rights. Although racism will always exist to some extent, it is not even close to what it was. Without the label of "The Oppressed", the so called community organizers have no Banner to call their discontent under.
Everyone's a little bit racist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdmuEMhqA2A
Sorry hun, but I don't think I'll be the one going straight to hell. If I wanted to make a joke I could have been more creative than that. I seriously have heard, NUMEROUS times, black women in the grocery lines asking each other "how many kids you got" and none of them have looked even old enough to drink. I also can't count how many times I've literally seen black dudes getting black chicks phone numbers at gas stations all in the time span it takes for me to fill up.
Blacks will never improve and evolve into being positive contributors to our society if they all have your same close-minded, ignorant outlook on life. Being observant doesn't equal being racist. So please, grow up.
I assure you I'm grown up, and if you'll note, I didn't call you racist. Have a nice day.
It's sad that everyone in this country sees for themselves how blacks are treated as nothing more than a voting block for the DNC. Everyone knows that Democrats don't care about them and they are only being used. But can you openly comment on this? No, the liberal media with tar and feather you and convince the world you are a child eating racist. Look at what happened to Bill Cosby. The man for years was making sense in talking about the black community and once Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson had enough and got a hold of him he is now speaking an entirely differently tune. Until enough people in the black community get the stones to counter the fraud race baiters of Al Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP, etc., they will continue to slip further and further into demise.
Maatkare…. I am sorry that you think facts are B.S., but facts are facts. They are all available to check out, I am sorry that you think that Slavery was just about race, it was an economic answer to a need for labor. A factor in the development of black slaveholders was the desire of “free persons of color” to operate in the economic world of white slaveholders and to be as equal to whites as possible. By the mid 1700’s to early 1800’s, most free blacks considered themselves more American than they did African, for almost all of them had been born on American soil, free or slave. They wanted to live the same life as whites, and they saw slaveholding as a way to become more equal with their white counterparts.
It's Zora Neale Hurston with an "e," actually. She was a fascinating person, but sadly, she died impoverished, in obscurity, in a welfare hospital and was buried in an unmarked grave. She may not have been 'tragically colored,' but her life was pretty tragic. Her works didn't achieve their current popularity and ubiquitousness until long after her death. She may have had serious philosophical differences with Sapphire, but I suspect she might have envied her success just a little bit.
btw: PBS did a drama about her quite a few years back, and a couple of years ago there was a pretty good "American Masters" on her as well.
You're making a massive assumption about my knowledge and opinions of historical slavery. Please spare me the history lesson–I know that slavery stained many hands, black as well as white, on both sides of the Atlantic. I wasn't questioning that part of the piece at all. But one person's anecdote about his observations of modern black women doesn't make it fact, and that's what I objected to.
maatkare,
So you are disputing the thousands of websites that all provide statistical research that prove black teens have the highest pregnancy rates? Hmm…..you aren't coming across as very intellectual.
"For young women age 15-19, black teens are most likely to become pregnant (134 per 1,000 women). Slightly lower rates occur among Hispanics (131 per 1,000) followed by non-Hispanic whites (48 per 1,000)."
Those figures speak for themselves. Instead of denying the reality and attacking people for simply reporting it, why don't you get off your a$$ and out in your community and help combat it?
Have a nice day
As a black man there is nothing heroic at all about Uncle Tom, he is very stupid and simple. I really don't understand why you would try to characterize the character in a positive light.
Sorry Kristine–we have a misunderstanding. I wasn't responding to your post at all–I was reacting to Riff's comment about black women. As I said above, please don't assume I'm ignorant of history. Far from it.
You really don't know what you are talking about. There is no more a black community than there is a white community. In my experience most of my friends and family look at Sharpton and Jackson as 2bit crooks, but that is a southern black man's perspective I would guess.
Here is a great article that explains the out-of-wedlock birthrates of black families, post-slavery, and before and after the Civil Rights act, where broken families shot up in number. It explains a lot, while slavery, when entered as argument, just doesn't explain this more modern phenomenon. You can see how dramatically rates rose in the 20th century. Its really peculiar how it rose after the Civil Rights act. Its not just a black phenomena, of course, though the numbers are devastating all around. I just don't think the blame can be placed squarely on white people or racism. The problem is simply too large and too out of control.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Arti...
I'd also like to point out that only 4% of whites were slave owners. I remember reading this, can't find the source. I know only a minority of southern families held slaves, perhaps 20%. Most whites were dirt-poor during early America.
All other things aside–who said I was trying to come off as an intellectual?
and I provided you with info to support their comments. Why tell someone to go to hell simply because you didn't like their story? You aren't a very bright person. You seem very angry. That is sad. Have a nice day
I really hope you come to grip with your anger issues soon. It isn't healthy sweetheart
Maatkare, I am sorry I was mistaken on who you responded to. I never assume one is ignorant of history, though I will admit, and being an historian have seen it first hand all the time, nobody knows all the facts and details. I do hate the dumbing down, or revision of history. But I think instead of branding yourself as a black woman, because that makes it sound like your central identity, why not try a woman of African decent?? I lived and worked in Harlem and Bed Stuy for many years, and have come to have many friends of many different hues and variations. I have found one thing out, and my Mama told me when I was young, there are only two races out there, assholes and non-assholes. ;0) Have a good day.
The CIA didnt' introduce the black community to drugs, but it is well enough documented to be considered fact that the CIA has used drug importation and transportation as ways to raise money for black ops.
So, would that now make her the artiste formally known as Zora?
If she can call herself Zora, I will know start insisting that people refer to me as Zorro. Now I can start carving Z's everywhere I go.
And this Geiko hating knuckledragger accepts.
If you are from the South, you might not have any understanding at all of what Sharpton is. I lived in Manhattan from 84 to 90. During those years some young blacks went into an Italian neighborhood. The young Italians killed a couple of them.
If you know New York, you know that the young blacks didn't accidentaly wander into an area where they weren't wanted and you can be sure that they weren't alter boys and were most likely mouthy and threatening. You also know that the Italians were equaly mouthy and threatening.
This isn't to judge either side.
During the trial deliberations, Al Sharpton put 5,000 blacks on the Brooklyn Bridge theatening a race riot if the Italians weren't found guilty. In the South, you might have seen on the national news a Sharpton "demonstration." In reality he was working a mob up to mass violence.
I'm not sure if I can respond to you properly because you didn't say whether you read the book or not, but here are a couple of reasons why he was heroic:
1. He would not beat another slave when Simon Legree told him to.
2. He would not tell Simon Legree where two slaves were after they ran away.
3. He wanted to purchase his freedom to return to his family.
4. He went willingly the first time he was sold from the farm in Kentucky, rather than run away, not because he was simple or stupid, but because he said other slaves would have to be sold or the entire farm would have to be sold if he ran away.
What would you have done in those situations?
I'm not going to attempt to know the mindset of NYers and where people travel and hangout at. My main point is again, there is no collective black community or mindset. The alter the original posters perception that black love Jesse and Al, I provided a anecdote of my experience living in the south and our local perception of Al Sharpton and Jackson, which in my experience is that the general consensus is that they are two bit crooks.
Indeed… poverty pimps invent their own "facts"…
I've read the book and I stand by my original assertion. What is positive about a simple black slave who cares more about what his "masters" want than his own freedom and liberty? Uncle Tom isn't a man, he a mangled caricature of what the supposed good negro is supposed to be, an idiot with a mind to only serve his masters, sprinkle in some Christian overtones.
Glad to hear that.
Daniel knows what he is talking about. Even though blacks are as individual as whites, whether you call it the black community, the black race, the black culture, the black experience, the black consciousness; it is not going to be whites who solve the black problems. Only blacks can do that.
Kristine, I don't have the time to try to wade through U.S. Census figures. Can you please doucment the above figures?
As for you rSouth Carolina figure, the one I remember from high school is that more blacks who owned slaves there owned more than 25 which was more than most whites who owned slaves.
Many thanks.
What are black problems and who is asking whites to solve it? Individuals have problems and it is up to individuals to fix those problems and advance or to ignore them and get further behind.
Your mama was a wise woman! I've never minded "black" (otherwise I generally refer to myself as American…or human…or Supreme Goddess)–I apparently missed the meeting that switched us over to "African American." Perhaps it's generational, but pretty much all my relatives/friends use black to describe ourselves. "Woman of African Descent" just sounds a little stuffy. And being black _is_ a large part of my identity. Always will be. So far it's working out pretty well.
In which part of the novel did he care more about what his masters wanted than his own freedom and liberty?
If he did want his masters wanted, he would have run away the first time as the Kentucky farmer's wife suggested. If he did what his masters wanted he would have beat the other slave and told Simon Legree where the run-aways were.
For me understand your arguments, please provide specific instances in the novel to support your assertions.
90% of inner city blacks, 70% nationally, don't have daddys. This a problem that blacks are refusing to solve and whites are getting tired of being blamed and told to slove it with cash donations.
Daniel's last sentence is a step in the right direction.
I've read it…it's still on my shelves somewhere. Everyone should read it because of the history associated with it, but it's painfully archaic, melodramatic and old fashioned. It's true that Uncle Tom is quite different than the stereotypical "Uncle Tom…" quite amazing how the character has been twisted over time. But while he may be heroic and noble by the standards of the time the novel was written, like Mark Twain's Jim, he will never resonate with modern blacks. They are both highly moral characters, but they're not…inspiring. And the stereotypes established in the novel (tragic mullatoes! mischevious pickaninnies!) have had unfortunately long shelf lives. To read it, though, is to understand a lot more of everything that came after, from history to advertising images. It resonates today more than most realize, and like it or not, we owe the book a tremendous debt and it needs to be read far more than it probably is. But it's a really tedious read. Be warned.
In a way it's like slogging through the original "Dracula" and "Frankenstein" as a film fan–only after you plow through them do you realize that we're STILL essentially retreading every path laid out nearly 200 years ago. They don't hold up all that well, but they've paved the way for everything we take for granted today.
LMAO…. I bow before your humor and wit… Keep up the whole living life to the fullest thing, thats what I do, and it is working for me also. ;0) Peace out !!!!!
well I doubt you wanted to come across as an idiot…..but then again……
Anytime Tom chose to substitue his own well being for Masta's sake, or would be an example of him not wanting his own freedom. Like you point out there are plenty of times when Tom could have run away or physically obtained his freedom but he didn't, because what would the God Lord think if he went back on his word? /facetiousness
Like I said earlier, what positive influece is to be gained from a man too stupid to run away and escape to freedom? Nothing is noble about choosing to remain a slave. Why didn't Tom beat Simon Legree and his goons and try to escape? The book always told us how physically intimidating he was, how powerful he was, yet he rather get whipped and be a good boy than to do anything to gain his own freedom.
Again tell me, what is good about the character Uncle Tom, and it has got to be better than he was a Christian and a nice guy to his masters.
I assure you I am indeed having a nice day–thank you for your good wishes!
Interesting string here. I have not read the book, but my husband just finished. He was surprised, it was not what he expected or had been led to believe. He loved it, and he is not a book reading kind of guy. And he read it on a recommendation I got from a friend. Looks like I know what I will be reading on the beach this summer.
Yeah! Slavery wasn't so bad! In fact,, it was fine! Everything turned out fine. President Obama…you know what I mean? He's black, so it's fine. So shut up, please, annoying black woman…reminding people of the "depravity" of raping a slave (as opposed to the generosity of just having one as an "employee").
It's Big Hollywood. It's not exactly….you know, good and/or respectable. I love the typos! Gives the site it's….well, it's Breitbart!
Having a family broken up because family members were sold happened, I'm sure.
But I had thought that the first and biggest blow to the black family was due to labor unions aggressively excluding black men from any productive employment (with the exception of Pullman Porters) meaning that for many black families the father was not the primary provider. The unionization of tradeskills worked overtime to restrict who could be hired in order to reduce competition for jobs.
And yes, of course, once those exclusionary practices ended and the policies of the AFL and CIO and whatever else Union changed to include black men… welfare came along.
I hardly think that was the point.
The point is that in a whole lot of places for a whole lot of people for a great majority of all of History… life truly sucked.
Horrors and traumas and deprivation and rape and destruction and injustice. But that it happened doesn't mean that everyone experienced the same or that people who weren't (in this instance) slaves somehow missed out on all the bad stuff.
Also, refusing to acknowledge that not every slave owner mistreated his slaves has the tendency to make the evil of slavery *about* the mistreatment and not about the slavery. Freedom matters profoundly, no matter how comfortable you are. The lack of freedom does not become evil or oppressive because bad things happen. It is evil and oppressive by nature and just because it exists.
Which is something that we ought to remember now, if we're tempted to trade our freedom for comfort and security.
Zora the explora?
Riff says,
"Most black women great each other by asking "how many kids you got" more often than saying 'hello'."
Do you have any idea how colossally stupid that statement sounds to anyone who mingles with real people in the real world?
Riff also says,
"Blacks will never improve and evolve into being positive contributors to our society if they all have your same close-minded, ignorant outlook on life."
Lord have mercy.
Riff also says,
"Being observant doesn't equal being racist."
It does when your observations are limited to gross negative generalizations about a single race that utterly fail to comport with reality (that indeed are so sweepingly exaggerated that they could never begin to comport with reality).
Kristine from NYC says,
"I am sorry that you think that Slavery was just about race, it was an economic answer to a need for labor."
Did any plantations filled with white slaves play a part in this "economic answer to a need for labor"? Could the black slaveholders of which you speak own them?
Kristine from NYC also says,
"Facts are facts."
Indeed. And historical revisionism is when facts are presented disingenuously and without context.
Niles says,
"So you are disputing the thousands of websites that all provide statistical research that prove black teens have the highest pregnancy rates?"
No, she's disputing the utterly ridiculous statement that, "most black women great each other by asking "how many kids you got" more often than saying 'hello.'"
Niles also says,
"Those figures speak for themselves."
Indeed they do — according to you, 86.6% of teen black girls fail to live down to Riff's "most black women" stereotype. I guess none of them shop at the same grocery stores as he does.
Being raised in a home marked as being the household of only a female parent does not equate with not having a father. 2nd, show me the source of your statistics. 3rd, I've never heard black people as a whole blame white people for being fatherless or having broken homes, so it seems to me the persecution complex you fell is undeserved.
Like I said before, there is no black problem, only individual problems and its up to the individuals experiencing those problems to come up with a way to solve those issues, black and white have nothing to do with it.
Mr. Grin, indeed white slaves did play a part of the "economic answer to a need for labor", though not as strongly in North America. When White servitude is acknowledged as having existed in America, it is almost always termed as temporary "indentured servitude" or part of the convict trade, which, after the Revolution of 1776, centered on Australia instead of America. The "convicts" transported to America under the 1723 Waltham Act, perhaps numbered 100,000.
The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master's silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward. Whites went up on the slave stalls, women, men, and children, though in less numbers. Ships carrying White slaves to America often lost half their slaves to death. According to historian Sharon V. Salinger, "Scattered data reveal that the mortality for [White] servants at certain times equaled that for [Black] slaves in the 'middle passage,' and during other periods actually exceeded the death rate for [Black] slaves." Salinger reports a death rate of ten to twenty percent over the entire 18th century for Black slaves on board ships enroute to America compared with a death rate of 25% for White slaves enroute to America. So again, I think I am correct in saying that forced labor was race-blinded. The slave trade has to be viewed from a non-racist perspective to be fully understood.
I am not going to waste my time tracking down the stats. I have been watching those numbers for over 30 years. You do your research to refute them and I will consider taking the extra ten minutes.
If you want to give me the real numbers that tell the truth about one parent families, fine. Let's see just how much that budges the currently accepted stats.
Who cares whether black people blamed whites, as if it's come kind of tit for tat – that whites can only describe the black failures if the blacks first describe white failures? In fact, if blacks were complaining about similar white issues, it would indicate that they have values that might be helpful in solving the central black problems.
Persecution complex? Of the dumb-ass things you have said here, that is the dumbest. You've just indicated that black males don't have the logical chops to realize that they don't have the ability to diagnose psychological disorders after reading a handful of paragraphs.
One problem with that thought – Private schools often promote the fact that they have smaller class sizes. Why would that be an important marketing point if it means nothing?
Riff says,
"Most black women great each other by asking "how many kids you got" more often than saying 'hello'."
Do you have any idea how colossally stupid that statement sounds to anyone who mingles with real people in the real world?
Riff also says,
"Blacks will never improve and evolve into being positive contributors to our society if they all have your same close-minded, ignorant outlook on life."
Lord have mercy.
Riff also says,
"Being observant doesn't equal being racist."
It does when your observations are limited to gross negative generalizations about a single race that utterly fail to comport with reality (that indeed are so sweepingly exaggerated that they could never begin to comport with reality).
What would solve inner-city educational problems is actually an across-the-board fix: eschewing the Culture of Failure among the current school-going generations, where ignorance is a way of fitting in.
She might counter that ignorance of history and economics, along with being "syllogistically challenged," is a Black thing you wouldn't understand.
It's Zora Neal_e_ Hurston, be that as it may.
This site needs a copy editor intern fiercely!
I always felt the same way about "Jim" in "Huckleberry Finn." He refers to a wife and children, yet instead of ditching Huck and rescuing them he stays with Huck. Never understood it.
Dire straights are found in stressful poker games; I presume you mean dire _straits._ ;-D
Kristine From NYC says,
"So again, I think I am correct in saying that forced labor was race-blinded. The slave trade has to be viewed from a non-racist perspective to be fully understood."
So again, I ask the $64,000 question: Could the black slaveholders of which you speak own white slaves?
To be fair, Martin Luther King was considered an "Uncle Tom" by the likes of the Black Panthers for advocating non-violent resistance against Jim Crow instead of violent overthrow of the U.S. government.
That's the eternal debate: when should Black people try to peacefully redeem the government and when should we use violence?
It's one of those books everyone thinks they know all about, but don't really know it at all. Best to read it so you can set people straight.
You're last paragraph is significant: "Most whites were dirt-poor during early America."
Race, as a social construct, was INVENTED to keep us from focusing on class divisions. At various times during America's history poor whites and poor blacks have gotten together to challenge the white elites that made everyone's life miserable. (Look up John Brown. Also look up the Labor movement in the early 20th century).
Time and time again the ruling class has used race to divide and conquer. Ruling classes are always try to divide and conquer their dissenters. This has been done for hundreds of years by giving away a few scraps and letting them fight over it. In America, it was doling out privileges based on race to some and not to others. For example, returning from WWII white veterans were able to take advantage of the GI Bill and become homeowners. This lead to the birth of a strong middle class, and with home ownership they increases their net worth and overall economic standing. Black veterans, if they able to use their GI benefits, were often red-lined (prevented from buying property in many areas because they weren't white) and as a result ended up in neighborhoods with lower property values. Now, if you have a little bit to protect making access to what you have attainable for all becomes something to fear. Instead of seeing how the elites are still exploiting you, you see challenges to the status quo as a threat to YOU. And as always, the ruling class is laughing their way to the bank..
Complete with little monkey companion.
They get to choose who they allow into their school. They have the ability to give more individual attention where public schools cram as many kids as they can in the same building.
Yeah, I have an almost 3-year-old niece, who loves to watch it. And she also loves it when her uncle watches with her.
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