HuffPo Goes All In to Defend Polanski, Readers Revolt **UPDATED/CORRECTED**
by Christian TotoCORRECTION: This post failed to include numerous essays on the site critical of the filmmaker’s actions. While the site did include several strong commentaries speaking out in favor of Polanski, the site’s anti-Polanski posts outnumber them. I should have dug deeper and apologize for the error. –C.T. END CORRECTION
The Huffington Post has made it crystal clear where it stands on the news that director Roman Polanski may have to answer for his 31-year-old crime of child rape: “Move on, everyone. Nothing to see here. Keep on directing, Roman. Love ya!”
The popular liberal site has posted numerous essays since news that Polanski was arrested in Switzerland broke over the weekend, each arguing vehemently against the Oscar winner’s persecution.
- Kim Morgan: “Roman Polanski understands women” – starts with her exasperation over the Polanski witch hunt.
- Bernard-Henri Levy: Let’s start a petition in support of Polanski.
- John Farr: Leniency for Polanski.
But HuffPo readers aren’t buying it. And boy, are they angry.
Check out the comments left on each of these essays and you’ll see faithful HuffPo readers aghast that the site could be defending the indefensible.
Here are just a few comments:
“Nope, it’s not a “conspiracy.” Child rape is a crime and Polanski should serve his time- he should have served it long ago instead of trying to pay off his victim”
“I am an California attorney, a confirmed Democrat-liberal and admirer of Mr. Polanski’s talents and those of many who have niavely signed this petition … Mr. Polanski did what he did and no amount of spin or the passage of time can change that. He drugged and raped a child. What don’t you understand about that? Is it O.K. to do that to your daughters? … Shame on you, all of you. You should (and probably do) know better.
“Let’s see these artists sign their names to a petition to excuse the drugging of and forced sex with a 13 year old. Let’s put it bluntly.”
Could this be the work of conservative “trolls” trying to sway opinion on the site? Possible, but highly doubtful. My best guess is that some issues go beyond ideology, like sticking up for a 13-year-old girl cruelly attacked by a much older man. Thank goodness for that.
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what else would you expect from den of vipers? but hey afterall, it wasn't 'rape' rape.
just disgusting
Even Salon (not exactly a hotbed of moralizing neo-cons!) reminds us today that Polanski gave a 13 year old girl alcohol and drugs, and raped her. Then he pled GUILTY at the trial and promptly fled the country. Got that, Hollywood: CONVICTED, not “accused!”
“Roman Polanski raped a child. Let's just start right there, because that's the detail that tends to get neglected when we start discussing whether it was fair for the bail-jumping director to be arrested at age 76, after 32 years in "exile" (which in this case means owning multiple homes in Europe, continuing to work as a director, marrying and fathering two children, even winning an Oscar, but never — poor baby — being able to return to the U.S.). Let's keep in mind that Roman Polanski gave a 13-year-old girl a Quaalude and champagne, then raped her, before we start discussing whether the victim looked older than her 13 years, or that she now says she'd rather not see him prosecuted because she can't stand the media attention.”
The unwashed masses apparently aren't aware of how charming and brilliant Roman is. There is a sickness at the heart of the entertainment industry. The people defending Pulanski for the sake of his talent are the same ones who condemned Elia Kazan in spite of his. They all seem to be moral idiots.
I guess with these scum ,it alldepends on your definition of "rape", huh? Where are the Women's Libbers? Are THEY supporting Polanski, too? I wouldn't doubt it, the two-faced sleazeballs.
Hey, it's just sex.
With a child.
When have radical Democrats ever really stood firmly against that sort of thing? Remember those ACORN PSAs: “PROSTITUTION: DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN. (An ACORN Public Service Announcement)” at http://firebreathingchristian.wordpress.com/2009/...
It's nice to see that the mainline Democrats might still have a shred of decencly left.
I followed the link over to Huff Po, despite my regrets. and yes, there are a lot more dissent than I've seen over there on the few times I have surfed it. But there are plenty of others who thinks its just fine and dandy.
I'm really getting sick of these people, and I mean in violently vomit way.
Liberals are sick in their minds and in their souls, so obviously what they do will come across as bizarre to the normal human being. Huffpo is a diseased site with a diseased following that would quickly gather in the cities of Soddom and Gomorrah demanding that God's angels are released to the liberals so that they might "know them."
Nambla, gay marriage, abortion, stealing from tax payers, etc, is all just part of their diseased thought process. Don't try to understand their bizarre nature. Just take it down to the nearest river and drown it.
And lest we forget, Mr. Polanski will also face charges of failure to appear, and escape, which will add to his sentence. I hope this despicable human being dies in prison. Yet, I still consider "Chinatown" one of my favorite movies; shame on me. But those that are defending him are more sick than he.
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Hollywood is a typical hypocrisy machine. Working for Hollywood for a few years, I saw, as a crew member years ago, how they practice segregation in money, actors, popular people. Actors sit here, crew sits here. Bla, Bla, Bla. Put up with that constantly and finally left. For people who are for equality to all, they (only collectively, not individually) are the most UN EQUAL people I know.
This whole Polanski issue is shining a light on the Tard-carnival that is most of Hollywood and the like minded elite. Refreshing to see the rank and file (ok some of them) taking a principled stand.
I am tired of people calling Polanski a pedophile. A pedophile is someone attracted to pre-pubescent children. My assumption is that this 13 yr-old was not.
Why does that matter? If people see this as pedophilia, then he can be excused for being mentally ill. He is a rapist. Period. No hyphens (Whoopi).
Roman Polanski is a rapist.
I wonder how any of these buffoons on HuffPo would react if you casually mentioned that you've got a 44 year old "friend" who's a photographer and is interested in photographing their 13 year old daughter, alone. In the liberal mind, there would be nothing wrong with it as along as one of the persons involved says it was "consensual"….this is how depraved and debased our society has become. Where a 72 year old man can literally get away with rape and have his friends "unite" behind him because after all, he said it was "consensual"…….pathetic.
I'm a liberal and I'm disgusted by the support Roman Polanski is getting from the artistic community. What kind of message this gives to the world? That it's okay to have sex with a teenage girl and flee from justice, as long as you're famous and sorry? No, I'm not buying it and my faith in humanity has been proven by the numerous reactions from normal folks. He shouldn't be given preferential treatment.
Thanks for taking the hit, and reading the HuffPo so we don't have to Christian.
This behavior is lunacy, and it's good to know their readers see it as such.
The "Admit It, You Can't Stand The View" board over on TelevisionWIthoutPity.com is furious as well–and this is a board that pretty much dumps on Elizabeth Hasselbeck full time, but has grown very wary of Whoopi since she made excuses for Michael VIck and Chris Brown. The Daily Beast boards and even Nikki FInke's readers at Deadline.com are fighting it out as well. It still boggles my mind that there's any question about whether the old perv needs to be made to pay! I just fear that Swiss jails aren't grim enough for him to suffer in while waiting to be extradited.
What’s the standard for leftist celebrities to not support a child rapist? Is it murder and rape of a child? Is it the rape one child, shame on you, rape two children shame on me standard? Is it rape one child get one child free? Must the rapist be a conservative? Must the victim be of another race? Must the rapist be a poor nobody? I need to know. Oh Hollywood, enlighten me with your great and all knowing wisdom
Found this update on Instapundit:
It's not an enforced 'practice.' I've worked on sets for many years. Actors often get rushed through the lunch line so they can get back into touchups before the crew's lunch is over, hence they tend to sit together. They get chairs near the set so they won't wander off between shots. And I've worked on many shows where the cast happily sits and jaws with the crew at lunch. And c'mon–there's some version of this in a lot of places: executives get a nicer dining room than the rest of the workers in most corporations, etc. Basically, I don't think we ever outgrow the high school lunchroom.
and Whoopi Goldberg is not "Funny" Funny.
and Whoopi Goldberg is not "Funny" Funny. Dittos on the disgusting.
Gee I wonder if Jaycee Dugard would stand up for this puke. Or Elizabeth Smart.
It was disgusting to watch Debra Winger stand up for this guy. Sickos. All this pooh poohing it by the Hollywood elites shows us all what we suspected all along – these people really don't have any kind of wisdom. That is why it is extremely difficult to take seriously anyone they endorse – for anything – awards, political positions, or even perfume or food for God's sake! These people have zero moral clarity.
And so what if his victim might have gotten some huge settlement as a penance from him. Justice isn't subcontracted out to the victims. She can have her settlement from him and be forgiving, but he still needs to answer to the law of this land. I doubt she is into some Stockholm syndrome. It probably has more to do with some civil settlement or just not wanting to be dragged through it. Too bad for the rapist that his victim doesn't get to decide his leniency.
I wonder what that girl's parents thought after all this happened? I hope the Hollywood elite parents can try and figure out how they would take it if their own kids were drugged and raped by some director or high profile genius. Or would they only be outraged if the rapist was a conservative or just some nobody? Gee, I wonder if Mel Gibson can do this now since it is o.k. by Hollywood standards to rape 13 year old children. Maybe they need to think of it more like that for a few seconds. What a bunch of irrelevant pseudo citizens. No wonder they can't defend unborn children. They can barely stomach defending 13 year olds! Pukes.
I'm a feminist and I totally support Salon's article (quoted above). I think the director should face the music and serve his time. Child rape not okay.
I also believe Mckenzie Phillips. I interviewed her and her dad in the late 80's when I was in high school. The whole thing is appalling.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104011
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Liberals don't support that stuff. Don't be ridiculous. That's just lazy to think that way. I certainly don't think that way about Conservatives. There are Conservatives that have been molested and hence are twisted in their thinking. Witness my Republican Limbaugh ditto-head father-in-law convicted of molesting boys. All the Conservatives in the family want us to forget, forget, let him play with his grandchildren and babysit. It's the Liberals in the family saying, No way! It doesn't matter if he's washed in the blood of the Lamb (Christ). He's gone Christian since serving his time.
Stealing from taxpayers? What about Halliburton. The bailouts? The Savings and Loan crisis? The deregulation of the mortgage business? All Republican initiatives. Now, that was stealing from the taxpayers on a massive scale.
To Hollywood – in the words of Benjamin Netanyahu: "Have you no shame?!"
Polanski is a dirtbag, no doubt…
However, the mother of this girl purportedly dropped her off at Nicholson's house and she was all sexed up.
Not that is an excuse, but it does seem to mitigate his misdeeds somewhat. Why afte 30 years with everything transpiring is this even on anyone's radar? A stiff fine and community service seems appropriate.
He isn't Martin Bormann fer cryin' out loud…
Polanski is a dirtbag, no doubt…
However, the mother of this girl purportedly dropped her off at Nicholson's house and she was all sexed up.
Not that is an excuse, but it does seem to mitigate his misdeeds somewhat. Why after 30 years with everything transpiring is this even on anyone's radar? A stiff fine and community service seems appropriate.
He isn't Martin Bormann fer cryin' out loud…
This has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but I followed one of your links to HuffPo and almost spilled my coffee. One of the headlines on the side bar intrigued me so I clicked on it. This is what came up:
Arianna Discusses Her Book "Pigs At The Trough" On "The View"
This is how I saw it:
Arianna Discusses Her Book "Pigs At The Trough On The View"
URGENT:
The time is HERE, be prepared. The American Police Force has taken over Hardin Montana – God Bless us All
http://mywhitehouse.org/2009/09/29/hardin-montana...
Awwww, why couldn't the arrest have been made on a trip to Turkey?
Leave it to the liberal Hollywood perverts, pedophiles and deviants to support a child rapist. All of liberal Hollywood should be persona non grata outside of West Hollywood. Treat these bottom feeders like national pariahs.
is any of this based in Sympathy for Sharon Tate? Is it a soft on crime thing? Is it a jealosy thing? Or is it a circling of the wagons? I can not understand.
Exactly! Or…Singapore, Malaysia or better yet Russia! Russian jails have _got_ to be harsh as hell!
Eck….. I went to the site for my 3rd time ever and got sidetracked by the SEIU secretary-treasurer… :/ I now feel dirty…. like a kind of dirty you can't wash off the first ten tries….
It wasn't "bubba, bubba" we put in as his cellmate.
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
I think Orwell's writing pretty well applies to the mindset of these people who will excuse anything if it's done by the gifted and/or famous.
Have you read Michael Seitzman's Essay on the HuffPo? Not exactly defending Polanski…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/an...
It is easy for the Left to excuse a 44 year old man who gives drugs to a 13 year old child, then rapes her repeatedly. But, had he done anything to support Bush, or said something nice about Palin … that would have had them up in arms. So they do have their limits on acceptable behavior.
And what about NOW and other women's lib groups? Or are they still kneeling in front of Bill Clinton??
"…you’ll see faithful HuffPo readers aghast that the site could be defending the indefensible."
Wait.
They're leftists.
It's what they do.
I'm about as liberal as liberal gets but I don't see how that would alter my opinion. If anything, I can't understand how anyone who considers themselves liberal on various issues – which you'd assume would include women's rights could defend this monster. It's liberal, informed and intelligent to condone a person drugging and raping a child because that person is gifted, well known or famous? HOW? I am utterly dismayed at Whoopi Goldberg and people like Tilda Swinton. I would have thought they'd know better. If they've read the transcripts of what that child went through and still stand by this man, then all I can say is how unbelievably shameful.
My guess is that this sort of thing isn't uncommon among these people so they don't see it as a big deal and they may have something in their past they don't want to be brought to light.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polans...
I love how the commenters are lambasting the author of this piece… who claimes to be the Co-Founder of Women Overseas for Equality…
Can we say irony?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polans...
I love how the commenters are lambasting the author of this piece… who claims to be the Co-Founder of Women Overseas for Equality…
Can we say irony?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polans...
I love how the commenters are lambasting the author of this piece… who claims to be the Co-Founder of Women Overseas for Equality…
Can we say irony?
Ah yes, the prized Martin Bormann defense. Phillip Garrido should try it. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12513917592176406...
Ah yes, the prized Martin Bormann defense. Phillip Garrido should try it. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12513917592176406...
I have no experience in the movie industry, but back in the day the Steel mills segregated meals down to the foreman level. They all ate at separate tables, the same food but different levels of service.
I don't wish to argue that make believe land is not filled with hypocrisy as maatkare can cover that,
but the segregation of different classes ( reminds me of my ancesters land of England, but I digress,)
has always intrigued me.
This is not a left-right issue people. Just look around the blogosphere, lefties — particularly feminists — are just as ready to jump on the "lock him now!" side of the issue as anyone else. I'm sure some righties are for leniency — I think I see one above.
Personally, I just wish people would stop saying he confessed to rape when he only confessed to unlawful sex with a 13 year old. Now, he might well actually be a rapist, but the only evidence is the victim's testimony. So, you can call him an "alleged rapist"; you can call him "a guy who anally shtupped a 13 year old," you can even call him human scum, just think before you call him a confessed rapist, because he is only in the statutory sense.
I have no experience in the movie industry, but back in the day the Steel mills segregated meals down to the foreman level. They all ate at separate tables, the same food but different levels of service.
I don't wish to argue that make believe land is or is not filled with hypocrisy as maatkare can cover that,
but the segregation of different classes ( reminds me of my ancesters land of England, but I digress,)
has always intrigued me.
Well, Susan… liberals in Hollywood are showing themselves to be a different breed from real world liberal teachers, social workers and others. And I feel your frustration.
It's proving one thing…many libs want Polanski to go to jail…except in hollywood.
*MissQuinn*
From what I have heard around the net and from real life Russian acquaintances… they ARE. Even worse now that communism has half fallen.
*MissQuinn*
That article oozes common sense and decency. If I didn't see it for myself I'd call you a liar for saying it was on HuffPo……
How does the fact that her mother set her up change the facts? She was a child of 13, he was a grown man of 44, he drugged her, gave her liquor, and raped her. THEN HE PLEADED GUILTY TO THE CRIME, after which he jumped bail and went to Europe to escape punishment., thus committing another crime. He needs to be sentenced for the first crime, then tried and sentenced for the second crime. None of his crimes were misdemeanors that would allow a "stiff fine and community service." He belongs in prison
It's amazing. They are all defending him based on his work as a supposed "artist". I'm sure Charles Manson thought he was an "artist" too. Hitler fancied himself an "artist". So did Musollini. In fact, there seems to be a rather disturbing correlation between self-described impassioned "artists" and psychopaths.
Ridicuous.. Would anyone defend Hitler or Mao or any number of these monster's careers as an "artist" against the "smear campaigns" caused by their occassional genocide or heinous crimes? NO! For the love of something, HE RAPED A CHILD. They must be suffering from Michael Jackson Delusional Syndrom.
Mr Polanski is to be PROSECUTED, not persecuted.
You're right on all accounts, RedneckJD, and I love "Chinatown" too.
Is this the time to remind its subscribers that Move0n.org was founded to encourage the public to "move on" past any focus on the sexual and power abuses of their icon-of-the-moment Bill Clinton. To paraphrase that trenchant social observer Whoopie Goldberg, "It's not rape-rape" when the perp is somebody Whoopie likes.
Savings and loan crisis?
A quote form 2003
”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
all that means is that the victim's mother should be flogged, too.
See reply in nest above.
So, I guess all you law and order conservatives would be totally in favor of Belgium extraditing Dick Cheney to stand trial for war crimes, namely the sodomizing of a whole nation – Iraq.
Oh, I forgot brain deaders, that was a just war because Iraq caused 911, allied with Al Qaeda and had WMDs..
Right??????
There are a lot of movies that my wife and I just don't watch because we will not support people with a corrupt world view. I am adding to the list those that support this piece of filth. I will not put money in their pockets in any way, shape, or form. Maybe if enough people just decide, "enough", we can make a difference.
you are all correct…
We knew we'd get beat up a bit for this, but it does seem a big bit of self righteous indignation, dontcha think? Not defending the guy- as said, a typical amoral Hollywood jerk.
There is NO shortage of these guys. (Tom Sizemore etc.) and Polanski's sins are about par for the course-ergo the defense by his fellow amoral nitwits.
But we DO have bigger fish to fry, don't we?
here's a question: according to the left, America sucks. so why would they consider exile from these shores to be any sort of punishment? or are they squealing now because he'll be forced to come back?
liberals confuse me…
P.S.
We gave you all a 'thumbs up' for your thumbs down!
Susan, apply this parable to your "liberal" worldview. You may find that it requires some new thought. Good Luck!
How long before we see an article claiming it's all a vast right-wing conspiracy to make liberals look bad?
I saw the same thing in the auto industry. Millwrights and electricians would sit together at lunch, line workers would be at a different table, same with janitors and drivers. It's not a snobbery thing, they just ate with their coworkers.
Regarding the Huffpost readers, it's very encouraging to see that there are still lines that even many of them won't cross.
Cheney was the Veep and we went into Iraq with the blessing of Congress. Got all the Dems included in the passage of the bill too so they could get their foreign policy and "hawkish" bonafides. The "war" as you guys like to put it (when it really is just the same war but a different "front") was Constitutional.
But … by all means, continue on with your fantasy my friend… something about a U.S. President going to war when the U.N. says "No"?? Something like that?? Right?? Defying the will of the U.N. because we can only exercise our rights as a nation to protect ourselves or use military force when the U.N. says so?
If thats the case… then send Bill Clinton to the Hague for War Crimes for his bombing of the Balkans in the 90's. No U.N. Resolution there and we still went in.
You really wanna play this game?
And what joy I see watching a lib try to deflect and change the subject from the rightful prosecution of a child rapist. Have you no shame?
It is possible that there is some sympathy for Polanski in regards to the Tate murders, being that victimhood is something liberals love to exploit. I too feel bad for him that he lost both a wife and a child in such a horrific way.
But in my mind one has nothing to do with the other. Maybe Polanski was banking on the sympathy of Hollywood to get away with his preverted actions, who knows. I have NO pity on him now, for paying a proper penalty for drugging and raping a 13 year-old, no matter how long ago it happened.
I'm not sure why people are giving you thumbs down for this. Well, I'm pretty sure they aren't reading past the first sentence.
It seems like too many media outlets are giving one sided, Polanski defending reports on the arrest. This video has a look at a few different opinions for a change: http://www.newsy.com/videos/polanski_s_31_year_ol...
I think they still ship their convicts to camps in Siberia.
We can fry this fish while we fry all the others too. We've got a giant deep-fryer from the Navy that can flash fry a whole cow in 3 seconds.
Why should we let this jerk go just because there are bigger problems in the world? Weak argument.
"Just take it down to the nearest river and drown it."
I'm getting the sick feeling in my stomach that this is precisely the only way we can save the USA, much less humanity. If they continue to reach into my pocket and take, take, take, I may be tempted to give them concrete shoes.
I agree with you Tom, it was very strong and poignant statement by Jeff.
Yup. I learned my lesson long ago. Save the irony and controversy for sentences two through X. At least he has no rating to destroy.
Hey dcase…fight the battles you can win. I tried arguing along much the same lines and people started showing up at my house with torches and pitchforks. I pointed out that all Polanski pled to was statutory, so legally that was all he was guilty of. The drugs and sodomy are irrelevant to the legal case. Nobody here cares.
Where's "Lawhawk" on this thing, anyway? I would be interested to read his opinion.
Hang the bastard. We'll worry about the "rule of law" and all that conservative stuff later.
Jail should have had him long ago.
This will only make it tougher to weed through Arianna's tripe for good info.
After her 7 abortions, I'm surprised Whoopi didn't name her daughter "Lucky".
"Roman Polanski drugged and raped a child he was in a position of authority, trust, and power over."
I have no problem starting there. I see red because it's THAT SIMPLE, and people won't END it there.
Father Polanski
Mr. Polanski, the art teacher
The next door neighbor, Roman
How does it play then? The only difference between the real Roman and the 3 listed above is celebrity. The only difference between the real Roman and NAMBLA is gender preference. Discuss?
Now you just need to analyze which group of people it was that most influenced your world view as a liberal. Are they people smart enough to make the same realization you are making now, or have you been influenced by the radicals who cannot? If it was the first group, you are probably safe. If it was the members of the second group you should probably do some introspection.
For the record, there are probably conservatives that would race to the aid of another conservative that committed the same crime. They are equally lost IMO. This whole party comes first mentality is killing our society.
Remember Juanita Broaderick? AKA the liar and shill for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy who tarnished Bill Clinton's fine name with charges of rape? The liberals and feminists didn't even wait for her to stop talking before they started the barrage of accusations. With no evidence whatsoever they dismissed her story as a "lie". Since when does a woman come forward with a rape charge and get called a liar by feminists?
Remember Juanita Broaderick? AKA the liar and shill for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy who tarnished Bill Clinton's fine name with charges of rape? The liberals and feminists didn't even wait for her to stop talking before they started the barrage of accusations. With no evidence whatsoever they dismissed her story as a "lie". Since when does a woman come forward with a rape charge and get called a liar by feminists?
They simply have no shame.
Uhhh…Dick Cheney? Wasn't he Vice President under Bush? Why would he be standing trial anyway?
Will you please stop spamming every article with items that have nothing to do with what we're discussing?
Wow that's some weird stuff. What in God's name is going on?
Thank you for replying to me. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that story but I will look it up. I consider myself a feminist although really I'm just a humanist and my views on that aren't really important but yes, I agree with you completely. It is simply stupefying that these women can support him. If they've read that transcript, there is just no way they can justify defending him in any way. I'm not saying women are better at understanding, I just can't believe ANYONE could excuse this monster and especially not women who otherwise want to portray themselves as defenders of women. I'm just appalled and dismayed by the whole thing. Good for the American justice system that's all I can say. I hope he rots when they eventually get him back.
Thanks. I was wondering if anyone might misinterpret what I was trying to say. I know it's semantics to some people, but not every case of someone having sex with a minor is pedophilia and it makes a difference whether it is or not.
In the case of the Catholic priest scandal, most of the abuses were of teenage boys, which is NOT pedophilia. It was an issue of homosexual priests being attracted to teenage boys. That is significant because the Church had been assured over the years by many mental health professionals that homosexual priests would not be an issue.
Of course, the media would never want to point that out, since homosexuality is so revered.
Why would somebody be extradicted to Belguim for crimes against people in Iraq?
I totally agree
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Why do the frikken libs blab so damn much? Eight pages of meandering drivel and all we needed was a simple word: Guilty..
Torches and pitchforks, ok, ya. Sounds like recycled dem talking points. Here is an idea dude, put your daughter/son/grandson/grandaughter/sister or mother in the same situation and see how easy-going you are about it.
Rape is rape dingus, statutory or otherwise. The 'rule of law' already found him guilty
we waded into this knowing the faithful would excoriate us mercilessly…
And it's happening. Biggest negative rating of our nascent career. (cut to tears) Oh well…
Out with the torches! Hang em all!
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Damn, sorry I took up for you before I looked at your avatar, GO M-I-Z Z-O-U!
GIG 'EM, AGGIES!
At least you're not Texas Tech or that school in Austin.
By the way, I signed up on Intense Debate, but I'm the same Jeff.
and a plea bargain was entered as well. No jail time was envisioned. He did skip bail, and needs to be brought to justice. But her mother endangered her too- what about that? This strikes us as a lot of self righteous posturing when our civilization is threatened by REAL bad guys.
Make sense?
These Hollyweirdoes will go to great lengths against wild life management, yet are so quick to stand up for rapists, dog torturers, abortionists, druggies, anti-Americanism and all forms of scum.
Hey, Whoopie and Friends- it WAS rape-rape. And you don't get a pass because you were clever enough to evade the police for a really long time. And the victim- should NOT BE CONSULTED as to whether she's forgiven him or whether she wants him to skip prison. As a MORAL PEOPLE, WE PUT CHILD-RAPISTS IN JAIL!!!!!! You Hollyweird types disgust me.
"A ~stiff~ fine and community service…." I hope it's not a home for wayward teen girls!
What the hell does that mean????? He was a grown man and he raped a young girl. Period. End of story. Or maybe, we go back and prosecute the girl's mother- but HE DOESN'T GET AWAY WITH IT.
The Folks that write there at the HuffPOst need their heads examined.
Welcome, it's a lot of fun, just have to make sure you spell out your irony and sarcasm.
Are there ANY French "entertainment" people who are against raping 13-year old girls? Just wondering after seeing the "Free Roman" petition signers: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/39...
Oh wait, Depardieu isn't on there yet. Maybe he had a change of heart from his "formative years."
How's that Kool-aid? Yer chuggin' it…it must be good… Just doan try servin' it to me. I know better.
Polanski has a track record of pedophile rape with young girls.
Samantha Gailey was THIRTEEN when he drugged and RAPED her.
Nastassja Kinski was FIFTEEN when he RAPED her.
This sick, perverted PEDOPHILE RAPIST needs to spend the rest of his miserable, pathetic life behind bars, most deservedly as some hairy 350 lb. bubba's "b1tch".
SHE SAID NO! At 13 or 113, no is NO!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicove...
The Deviant Race has been Deified by the Chosen.
He raped a girl. That makes HIM a REAL bad guy.
Hey, hey, hey…..not so fast. They stand up for morality in society. Remember a certain Rep. Sen. was widely condemned for antics in a men's room. Don't forget the scorn and publicity when a Rep. Rep. dared to Email 'of age' pages. Besides Roman is a beautiful person, you moralizing troglodyte………………….Look ashamed.
Just a few words, but a horrible fact: forced full-on anal intercourse with a 13 year old.
Even Whoopi Goldberg won't want to see that medical report.
Excellent post.
getoverit.com
Polanski doesn't even sound sorry- except for himself.
At one point in his career when it was discovered that he was "dating" FIFTEEN YEAR OLD NATASSJA KINSKI, Polanski, who is only five-foot-five, remarked, “I am widely regarded, I know, as an evil, profligate dwarf.”
Amend that to read “I am widely regarded, I know, as an evil, profligate PEDOPHILE RAPIST dwarf.”
guess we deserved this for trying to make a salient point…
yes, he did. While not violent, it was statuatory and non-consensial. He is a dirtbag. So was her mother. The girl was an innocent victim and derserves justice. OK so far?
Now what to do? Does 10 years in prison satisfy? What is proper justice?
Let us know…
Excuse me? The 13 year old was all sexed up… so it is okay… isn't that what most phedophiles say that the child seduced them… okay so let me ask a question here. WHERE ARE THE ADULTS? Are you going to let a 13 year old make decisions for you? Including decisions about whether to have sex with a under-age child?
Do we let 13 year olds drive? But what if they have be playing grand theft auto video game for years? Do we let 13 year olds vote? What if they have been studying government in school and signing the praises of Obama since kindergarten?
It is called adulthood and some things adults don't do regardless of the pressures from young kids… and that is make bad decisions….oh… unless you are an adult who makes bad/illegal decisions.
Blame the victim, blame the Mother, blame society…. I know who his fellow inmates will blame. Men with "short eyes" do not fare well in prison.
If it were my daughter he would have simply vanished…only to reappear as Grizzly Bear dung…in little piles spread out over a wide area.
Attempting to apply logic to a liberal viewpoint is like trying to catch a greased pig. Polanski is innocent because Dick Cheney won't stand trial in Belgium for imaginary crimes against humanity. Anyone who disagrees is a racist.
If late term abortion does not bother the Hollywood crowd, why would drugging a child then raping her. Elite liberals are above the laws of humanity, they are gods….
There are those at Huffpo that support a muslim woman's "right" to wear slave rags…the burqa, hihab…all that crap. schizo…
He's sorry…..
That he was caught.
Democrats showing sanity in this town? With the one-two punch of Obama/Polanski, guess they're reevaluating.
Sorry, but you got nothing here and deserve all the – points IMO. If we don't defend the defenseless, then what the hell is wrong with us? Proper justice is seeing that we punish people for doing bad things and not excusing it because a certain amount of time has passed. If we found out that someone had murdered someone 20 years ago, do we say, that's old news, let it go?. Of course not. Just because this bastard is a public figure does not mean he gets to play by different rules, his Hollywood defenders notwithstanding. I find it disgusting that the "non-violent" defense is used as well. I think rape is violent however it is accomplished. The kid was drugged to be compliant– that does not make it okay.
How have we come to the point in which people will think this isn't worthy of punishment? How have we fallen so far?
He's already been prosecuted and sentenced…he ran which will mean more prosecution and further sentencing. And who exactly is persecuting him? He's scum. Can you argue with that? Or is his behavior acceptable in your eyes?
Nice Simpsons reference, fozzy! I agree. There's plenty of room in our frying pan for a child rapist, don't you folks worry.
One thing I'm curious about, though-how do they reconcile their support of this scumbag with their adoration of President Obama, who, as we all know, has a 13 year old daughter? And on the other side of the equation, how does Obama feel knowing that his Hollywood water carriers are backing a guy who confessed to raping a girl the same age as (I think) Sasha?
To liberals crime is actually very subjective. It defends who got the most money and prestige go free and unscathed. Conservative bad, should be shame and go to jail.
[...] UPDATE: Christian Toto at Big Hollywood has a post about how liberals are rebelling against the pro-Polanski…. [...]
NOT Kim Masters (also a Hollywood journalist), but Kim MORGAN wrote the post at the HuffPo. Please correct above!
Dick Cheney has been found guilty of no crime. Scumbag Polanski has…and ran. Your attempt at moral equivalence reveals your fondness for the rapist. Shame on you for giving so little value to the life of a 13 year old girl.
The issue at hand is whether or not a child rapist should go free. It has nothing to do with anything else despite your attempts at distraction.
Are you that desperate to free this piece of human detritus that you would stoop to such tactics? Clearly so.
May God have Mercy on your pathetic little shriveled up soul.
once again- what is the proper punishment? If you read our post(s) closely we aren't disagreeing much… just looking for some proportion.
They try war crimes there. As if… Some Obama cronies are considering bowing to international courts and giving up our national sovereignty on such matters. Pathetic…naturally if it weakens America the left is all for it and knows all about it.
Good for you. I won't use Google as they are scumbags as well. Celebrated the invention of Tetris on June 6th this year instead of D-day. THAT list goes on and on. They insult America and Americans whenever possible.
I don't think Bill Clinton ever disputed Juanita Broderick or Kathleen Willey. He also paid off Paula Jones. But to your point, the feminists went after the victims.
3…2…1…
I am surprised that many of you ARE SURPRISED at the outrageous statements in support of this deranged sexual pre-meditated pervert….with a 13 year old no less. Apparently you have forgotten that being liberal is a MENTAL DISEASE and, as such, falls under the collective behavioral excuse legislation protected by the "Handicap Laws"….. What a country…. Let's vote them out….2010.
Well said…
He wasn't prosecuted, but under mental evaluation. He was going to be, but heard of a great place to hide, from Ira Einhorn, and high tailed it to forgiving Europe.
Wasn't that… sodomizing? Heck, maybe this is an attenuating facet of the affair…
He wasn't prosecuted, but under mental evaluation. He was going to be, but heard of a great place to hide, from Ira "Earth Day" Einhorn, and high tailed it to forgiving Europe.
Excellent de-bunking of their criminally illogical stands….and with rapier wit to boot!
25 to life. I have to admit that if it were my daughters, I would probably be the one in prison and Mr Polansky would be remembered as someone who died too soon at the hands of a barbarian
MEA CULPA…
OK, we understand all the anger. The question was always what to do? What is fair justice? The victim does not want to press charges. Her mother was complicit in the act. What do you all think is fair retribution?
Educate us, please…
He's sorry…and he should apologize.
That was trillions of dollars ago in 2006 when President Bush — and John McCain were trying to put some regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. There is also a video of Maxine Waters having a hissy fit along with Barney Frank saying that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are not having financial difficulties. I believe it was shown that both these liberal lending facilities carried much of the blame for the financial disintegration.
Too damned funny! Just great…. made my day.
Sigh, I know I'm going to regret this indulgence, but just who are the 'WE' you refer to? do you represent some group or just the personalities in your own mind?
ok- at least WE aren't being savaged for trying to address a dodgy situation…
25 to life seems a bit heavy to us. We'd think 3-5 with a whopping fine. But, it definitely appears that our is a minority viewpoint. But thanks for the input.
I've read all the posts, and somehow I'm not seeing much agreement. That said, the punishment should be in line with the crime and the fact that he evaded the punishment for so long. I don't know what the legal standards are there, but I have no problem following the letter of the law on it. He should have faced his punishment way back when rather than run. If he had, it would be history. It just infuriates me that anyone would argue he should get off scot-free.
I think the reason people are so worked up over this is the nature of the crime and the cavalier attitude the Hollywood crowd has on the subject. Polanski has been allowed to not only go about his life, but direct movies, make money and live without any real stigma attached to a disgusting act. The lack of anything resembling a moral compass among the Hollywood elite is jarring, especially when these people will call us racist or worse because we don't like a healthcare plan put forth by their president. So yeah, maybe we're getting a little moral indignation up over this. But how is that out of proportion when you compare the reactions we get for going to a town hall and saying we think the President's policies follow a socialist trend? I've been called a lot of names by the media lately, so I'm not going to feel bad if I call a rapist a rapist.
Sorry to hear about your Republican father-in-law, but maybe you didn't know that child molesters come from all political fields, including Democtats.
Maybe you should also question the person you married about child molestation as well. Sometimes this trait runs in families. You know, the molested child goes on to molest children, and so forth.
As for Republicans stealing from taxpayers? Baby, you ain't seen nothin' yet! You just wait until you get the bill for all this HOPE & CHANGIE" stuff. Your children will suffer for years.
Proportion….hmmm…ok, let's make this a conservative of any shape or size….rapes and sodomizes a 13 year old girl, enters into a plea bargain (which of course lessens the actual charge which will apply under the law) and then before he can be sentenced he flees the country. He then lives very well all over Europe even doing his job and getting accolade after accolade, Oh, wait…..if he was a conservative the media would have assisted in helping get him back for his crucifixion pronto!! There would be no power play for his release or any other possible excuse for him! If you don't see this, then you aren't being honest about reality and how this guy has gotten a 30 year pass because he has what some consider talent. I will give you this though, had it been my child there would have been no need for all of this as I would have hunted him down and made him into a eunuch and let him live wherever he liked. Just sayin….
Is that like in High School… "Yeah..I know you like him, but do you "like" like him?"
"Yeah…I know he raped you but, did he "rape" rape you?"
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
You're right. Bill Clinton bombed the Balkans without UN approval.
This is a distinct pattern. Yesterday, I logged on to Nikki Finke who was exploding in rage at the Swiss for 'double crossing' Polanski by arresting him. But when I went to the comments, they were exploding at Nikki for defending a man who drugged and sodomized a 13 year old. When I went over to Washington Post, Anne Appelbaum was equally outraged at Polanski's arrest – didn't the Swiss realize that he was a Great Artist, she spluttered. But – again – when you read the comments, they were almost 100% against Anne. For God's sake, the man drugged and sodomized a 13 year old – what part of 'Great Artist' excuses that?
In short, this arrest of a child molester in Switzerland is becoming a defining moment in which the hellish chasm between the Leftist media and the entire rest of the world is finally seen for just how huge it is. There is no middle ground. Polanski's arrest is literally revealing that there are two worlds. One world has the leftist media – the other world has humans. And the media had better realize that it is NOT the fault of the former that the media refuses to have anything to do with them.
Polanski is a liberal. Therefore he can't do anything wrong. It's all the fault of everyone else. Like Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo. You know, if she were alive today she'd be honoured to think what her death led to etc.
Perhaps Samantha Geimer should also feel the great honour bestowed upon her for allowing Polanski to express his artistry. After all, if he needed to sodomize little girls in order to make films, then those little girls need to start thinking about the 'big picture' outside and stop being so self-centered.
Yeah, women should just shut up and take it, if it comes from a liberal that is. However, if it's a conservative, throw the book at him.
Apparently you have forgotten that being liberal is a MENTAL DISEASE and, as such, falls under the collective behavioral excuse legislation protected by the "Handicap Laws"….
Perfect! I love it!
he is a jerkweed, no doubt about it. Our original intent was to inject an air of proportionality to the deed/outrage. It appears folk who have thought highly of us in the past are quite angry with our take. We know he's guilty and deserves punishment. It's becoming an international incident. We are being robbed blind by our own government.
It isn't that we are defending him- and that is what's being accused. Just an honest take on an ugly affair, that's all…
he is a jerkweed, no doubt about it. Our original intent was to inject an air of proportionality to the deed/outrage. It appears folk who have thought highly of us in the past are quite angry with our take. We know he's guilty and deserves punishment. It's becoming an international incident. We are being robbed blind by our own government. There are other issues…
It isn't that we are defending him- and that is what's being accused. Just an honest take on an ugly affair, that's all…
I'm already cringing over my monthly "Hope and Change" statement.
I don't want to punish Polanski. I want to help him. All he needs is to join a support group for men who've had rough lives and now enjoy putting their junk in other people's trunks without permission. As luck would have it I understand prison is filled with such people and I'm sure they'll be happy to extend to Roman the same warm welcome they give all child molesters.
LOL outstanding.
Where were they when Clinton's moral failings were exposed, or Barney Franks, for that matter?
Roman Polanski, who plied a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL with quaaludes and champagne, impressed upon her to get naked for him, and then raped her MULTIPLE TIMES. . .is beautiful.
Warped doesn't even begin to describe this.
*MissQuinn*
once again we agree with you- and everyone else…
All we're asking is what is fair justice? You make a good case. What do you think (minus the vigilantism, of course) the penalty should be?
You are despicable.
He was convicted and he ran away like a little coward. This shows up on the radar because people like you are so delusional with "it does seem to mitigate his misdeeds somewhat" that it makes any moral person sick. How about Bubba meeting him in jail and giving him some drugs and alcohol and see if "it does seem to mitigate Bubba's misdeeds somewhat" becaused after all, Bubba needs friends too.
sorry for the confusion…
It is an editorial device for a VERY small group of like minded individuals; and also an effort to take individual ego out of a discussion. Check The Economist or other such publications.
No, we are not schizophrenic…
finally some levity. Thanks, JB…
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I'd throw in a really large guy named Bubba as his cell mate for all of it!!
he doesn't appear to be getting away with it- he is under arrest and wating extradition. he needs to be punished, absolutely.
And it's a'coming…
Although it is remiscent of "Young Frankenstein."
ho!
You bet… and we probably deserve (and are getting) our just desserts!
Right now, I guess the "we" refers to me and dcase.
But I'm out of the discussion…so now he's down to the "we" of Majesty.
You like to use the word "proportion" but don't apply it across the board. Is it proportional to having President Carter and every Hollywood brain-dead liberal call me a racist because I'm against Obama's policies?
Personally I think the outrage against Polanski is very much in proportion to his crime. The fact that the man hasn't been tarred and feathered over the last 30 years shows me that there has been a large amount of restraint exercised toward his crime. Mostly the only outcry I'm hearing now is that he should face the long-delayed punishment for his crime. Sure people are going to have an emotional reaction to this, but I'm not seeing acts of violence or any other tangible reaction that makes me want to start defending the man. I'd like to see some proportional outrage over how the media is portraying decent people in this country who don't like the policies of our current president.
The senior editor of the gossip magazine In Touch said in a television interview he couldn't believe the justice system is still going after Polanski 30 years after his initial arrest, and after his victim, Samantha Geimer, has publicly forgiven Polanski.
"It's mind-boggling why they're still pursuing this," said Tom O'Neill. "It just seems that the prosecutors in Los Angeles won't let go these many years later."
So…you can rape a child and run. If you run and stay gone long enough, it will be "forgiven". That's a great lesson for rapists to learn. Any fantasy you have can be fulfilled without consequence, as long as you stay away from justice long enough.
once again we agree!
Perhaps our original post was a tad cavalier, as said we are being fully excoriated for our sins. No comparison to the racist thing. There is no defending this human detritus. Just what is a fair ajudication and let's move on to REALLY important issues.
Make sense?
Dcase and others are asking for specifics of what would be 'fair' at this point. Ok, here goes….. the original plea is obviously out the window. He is charged with rape and sodomy of a child under 15, felony child abuse, drug charges including the felony of poisoning/drugging a minor, fleeing the jurisdiction and should serve a minimum of 8 1/2 – 17 no time served. How about that? AND….just for grins, I'd throw in a really big guy named Bubba from the south to be his cell mate for every second of it!!! Whadya think?
now we're getting somewhere…
Yep, a tough but probably fair sentence. Once again, since the victim isn't pressing charges and he'll be tried in an industry town that most likely won't happen.
But maybe it should…
Absolutely. I will say this though. I don't mind that people still get riled up over an issue like this. I'm glad that people get angry over Whoopi Goldberg's "meh" attitude. It gives me hope that people are still basically decent.
at what, 70 years old? THAT should b an interesting match…
I am still shocked that it was on HuffPo…….I'm speechless……That guy might be looking for a job elsewhere when they find out…….<grin>
hope we never came across like the so-called 'elite'…
You are right, the beating we're taking here is because of the shamelessness of the humanistic poseurs who call themselves
'artists' (hold the nose, please) are lining up to protect that which they most likely indulge in themselves…
Bad people, all.
That's Fraanken-steen
whenever i see a movie with gratuitous sex, i ask myself "self, would bette davis do this scene?" the answer is a resounding NO. hollywood attracts individuals with poor self esteem that want complete strangers to give them validation. and when, by a crapshoot, one rises above the rest, and makes oodles of money, they appear in front of congress, or in boats in new orleans telling us how many squares of toilet tissue we can use. most people in hollywood are Godless. so they worship the orgasm instead. i think malcolm muggeridge said that along time ago.
so when they defend one of their own who shares their own disturbing/predatory views, is it a surprise?
do what i do, don't give the industry any money. i do not go to the movies anymore. not missing much.
but there you have it…my little protest.
So, if someone drops a kid off at my house; I can drug the kid, get him/her drunk and have sex with them?
Are you sure this is your recommendation? Rape of a child is ok if the parent should have known better?
So the problem isn't the molesting of a child, its that most molestations occur without proper parental consent?
If you simply get/buy consent you can buy children for sex slavery and should at most get a fine and maybe community service in your perfect world?
You're going to want to work on this defense some; I'm not sure this fits with most peoples morality… people seem really upset about child molestation; and dressing it up as a misdemeanor probably isn't gonig to work as well as you seem to think.
Maybe this will be the (or one in the series of) wake up calls the HuffPo readers need. Zsa Zsa Huffington et ilk are NOT good people.
What really makes me so mad about this entire thing is not so much that Polanski had sex with her, I could kind of understand it, in a sad pathetic way, if it were a "Lolita" situation, or if he somehow felt he cared for her. What is really just sickening to me is that she was a throw away to him. He saw and still sees himself as the brilliant artist and she was just a nobody. It's exactly how all of the Polanskis of the world see all of the rest of us.
I am not sure he should be extradited, but I am sure, 100% positive he should be ostracized.
The fact that all of Hollywood is supporting him speaks volumes.
I didn't have sex with that child
"The victim does not want to press charges. Her mother was complicit in the act."
These matter because…?
From what I read of you, if I hypothetically raped a child so badly the child was traumatized and didn't want to talk about it; then I bribed the parent; in your mind this hypothetical situation should get me a slap on the wrist and no jail time?
However if I didn't sufficiently traumatize the child, or I didn't buy off the parents I should see real jail time?
In other words, if you're going to rape a child; make sure to pay off the parents, and make it as violent and traumatic as possible… Why exactly should this be a goal to shoot for?
Rape a child, get punished for raping a child. Regardless of the wishes of the child, the parents, or anyone else involved. Anything else leads to "encouragement" for the "proper way" to molest a child.
Unless you'd care to educate us on why making the rape more horrific, or buying the child from the parents so they're complicit makes it less of a crime.
Another blog provided a link to ABC's "comment" line. Unfortunately, they only allow 500 characters, so this was the best I could do: "I am outraged that ABC would pay a woman to use its airways to defend a child rapist, and to excuse "consensual" sex with a 13 year old who was doped up with both alcohol and illegal drugs as not really "rape" rape. Whoopi Goldberg needs to be fired immediately. I don't want her apology, I want ABC's, and I want assurance that you will vet people hired on "opinion" talk shows more carefully in future. You will have to issue your apology on Fox, however – my family will never watch ABC again."
Please contact ABC and vent your outrage.
So I guess it would be OK to rape one of Polanski's daughters?
Or Polanski himself?
As Bill C. looks defiantly into your eyes and says…."It depends on what your definition of rape is…."
Stephy at ABC and Larry King are fighting over who will interview the perp first and explain it all away as a right wing conspiracy by Bush and Cheney. Oh fyi there's no truth to the rumor Polanski will get a film school grant from the stimulus and Obeyones kids will be the first students.
My first impression is to say "How refreshing" that posters on HuffPo are outraged at the suggestion that Polanski should not be punished for his crime, however old the charges. But then I realize that despite our differences in opinion on most things, we, reasonable people, can agree on punishing perps who commit heinous crimes against children. The posters on that site are outraged about any suggestion that he should be let off the hook, and they are absolutely correct. If there is one area that we can, and should all agree on, it is in the area of crimes against children.
yeah kinda like a 13 year old girl and a 44 year old man…..
gotta admit this is bringing out the good quips. Bravo!
coward! (jes' kiddin…)
Since when was the savings and loan crisis a Republican initiative? I lived in Ohio at the time, and it was Dems and their buds who were thickest in the mess.
As far as loosening the requirements to obtain a mortgage loan from Fannie and Freddie are concerned, Pres. Bill Clinton's Administration initiated that policy in order to make home ownership available to as many Americans as possible. Pres. G.W. Bush's Admin. continued that policy. BTW, what about Halliburton? What about GE?
Great post, kmichaels. I agree totally. As a lifelong Democrat, I now cannot stomach my former beloved Party. My Dad would turn over in his grave if he could know about this disgusting group that has overtaken the Dems.
to all of the above our sincere apologies…
He is a dirtbag. We agree. He's a criminal. Agreed again He deserves to be punished. All we're asking here is what's fair? Haven't ever been called 'despicable', ever. None of what happened is OK. Please reread our replies….
Then if you still hate us, alright then…
[...] HuffPo’s commenters can’t believe there are people on the site defending Polanski. Keep punching yourself in the eye, Hollywood; the [...]
"but never — poor baby — being able to return to the U.S."
Which they make out as such a hardship, but hey, he was a European in the first place, and without the Nazis/Commies, it's not such a bad place.
I am a Canadian follower of American politics, watching the marxist takeover from across the border. In all my blogging have come to understand the cancer that is liberalism. I have not rented a movie in over a year. Looking back at the most recent films I viewed before I came to understand the disease of Liberalism(moral relativism). (everything ass backwards), I realized the liberal messaging rampant throughout the films weather it be divorced families,
bad cops, evil military men, big oil conspiracies depressed suburban working families, and the like I have decided I'm done with Hollywood, my husband feels the same way. We are very open minded people but I'm done with them.Celebutards they are one and all.
Well, maybe Arianna, Whoopi and the other Roman Polanski supporters can get jobs working for ACORN. Roman Polanski and Phil Garrido are basically the same person.
dcase message to dcase…
You really stepped in it this time, didn't you?
we are issuing humble apologies to all. It wasn't what was meant. Sorry…
never been called 'despicable' before. Our humble apologies. He will meet his fate; and it must be reconciled. Good enough?
absolutely. You are 100% correct. We did sort of 'step in it' on this occasion. Really hacked off some good folk. Humble apologies…
on our apology tour we'll include you as well. Really stepped in it this time, eh? Oh well. P.O.'d a bunch of really good folk. Emotional issue, this…
apology tour continues… thought this to be less important than it is. Our apologies. But don't taint the cow with Polanski's carcass…
we are apologizing to everyone we upset individually. Didn't think this as big a deal as it apparently is. Our apologies…
didn't see the Bormann reference there; no matter. Our apologies to those we offended withour lack of sensitivity onthe issue. Garrido has a special ring in Hell waiting for him…
Now you can Rape but not Rape-Rape… Go to town!
"But we DO have bigger fish to fry, don't we?"
It's called multitasking.
Shut up asshole. If you bothered to do two seconds of research you'd find out that no, feminists are not supporting Polanski Who's the sleazeball? I noticed you glossed right over his commentary about hp readers not buying it. Many of those comments were made by feminists dummy. Some of them were made by me.
Probably the same way Republicans react if you suggest they send their little Brad or Suzy off to fight in Iraq.
WOW…and here I thought it was because Iraq violated the cease fire agreement they made after invading another country. *slaps forehead* Silly me.
I am surprised that finally at the Puffington Post you can find some people with morals. May miracles never cease!!
You mean, nahhhh really? You mean the HuffPo wingnuts are taking a stand against child rape? No Way, really?
There is rampant mental illness in Hollywood.My husband and I will protest to ABC, but we long ago gave up watching network TV, and only very ,very rarely go to a movie. We have to "vet" the cast and director before we go.Follow our lead, folks. READ, GARDEN, PLAY CARDS, BOARD GAMES,VISIT NEIGHBORS, EXERCISE, WRITE LETTERS, ETC. Letting these celebutards into your life and thought process is toxic. Refuse to buy stupid celebrity magazines….make it a personal mission to figure out how to deprive these morons of what really matters to these arrogant people….Attention and money!
To Guest who writes………… So, I guess all you law and order conservatives would be totally in favor of Belgium extraditing Dick Cheney to stand trial for war crimes, namely the sodomizing of a whole nation – Iraq. You are an IDIOT!!
Well, you probably don't remember this, but Blackwater mercenaries ran a child sex ring in Bosnia in the 90s. They didn't just talk about it, they actually accomplished it! Not to defend Polanski or ACORN's actions, but Blackwater & Eric Prince are responsible for far more rapes of underaged girls than Polanski or Acorn.
I'm a liberal and I'm conflicted, because the victim herself wants the case dismissed. In many states victims or deceased victims' families have a say in sentencing so why shouldn't the victim have a say as to whether or not the defendant should be prosecuted? Interestingly enough, there are a few "conservatives" who have come out in support of Polanski, including Anne Applebaum, who used to work at AEI. Before you all judge harshly, perhaps you should read ALL of the documents on Thesmokinggun.com , which pertain to Polanski's crime. I wonder what good it will do incarcerating an old man, when the victim and her mother have long forgiven him. The victim has said that any further court proceedings will cause her great emotional harm and cause her to relive what happened to her. The public gets their thirst for revenge quenched, but the state of California will pay a pretty penny for incarceration of a celebrity, Polanski's current wife and children will be harmed, and the victim, who has made her name public, and her family will be harmed emotionally by the glare of publicity.
By the way, when Ms. Applebaum posted her defense of Polanski on the Washington Post's website, there were many disgusting, hateful anti-Semitic insults of both Applebaum and Polanski. It upset me and I'm not even Jewish and I don't necessarily agree with Applebaum. Some of the anti-Semitic postings were written by people with Middle Eastern names and others were written by alleged "conservatives".
I'm glad the folks over here aren't resorting to that sort of ethnic name-calling, no matter how much you despise Mr. Polanski.
Not everyone who is a liberal supports Polanski. Way to go with your broad brush. Also, I have NO idea as to Mr. Polanski's politics. The ONLY things I know is that Polanski left Poland because he hated Communism, that Polanski donated lots of money so that other Polish Jews could leave Communist Poland, and that he wants Charlie Manson to be really, really, really, really, really, really, really DEAD. Polanski also spoke out against feminists in the 1970s. He sounds pretty conservative to me (other than the teenager raping bit).
Who are THESE PEOPLE? People in Hollywood aren't liberal OR conservative. They are AMORAL. Like the folks on Wall Street.
First, Sasha is 11. Second, DON'T YOU DARE transfer Hollywood's support for Polanski to OBAMA. I seriously doubt that Obama supports Polanski. Polanski's attorneys in Europe told the US attorneys: "You're not serious about arresting Roman. He lives in Switzerland part of the year and you haven't arrested him yet. Why don't you dismiss the case?" The US attorneys under the direction of ATTORNEY GENERAL HOLDER, encouraged the Swiss police to apprehend Polanski. No doubt Obama was aware that this arrest was going to occur.
Please also note that CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER SARKOZY and the CONSERVATIVE Polish Prime Minister are on record as SUPPORTING Polanski. They are madder than wet hands because the Obama Administration finally got Polanski busted.
Interestingly enough, during the 8 years of the Bush Administration, no one made a move to arrest Polanski while he was living in Switzerland.
Reagan said it best: "The only morality they recognize is what will further their cause."
Hopefully a few of the Puffington Host's readers are recognizing that.
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Tard-carnival
Buckwheat, in the interest of proper and correct liberal identification, I have no choice but to plagarize that term, frequently, on other sites.
That's a good one, man……
EDIT: Sorry, posted to wrong response nest. Somebody minus one me for that, will ya?
I'm a liberal and I posted in disgust on the Levy talkback. The spoiled Hollywood in crowd is a universe unto itself. They don't want us "Philistines" ever passing judgment on the "artists".
Maybe we say that because feminists have a charming habit of throwing other women under the bus who don't conform to their liberal views. Nice way of you to ignore that the HuffPo has people actively defending Polanski, don't want to admit that ..oh by the way go stick up yours
I might add, for my own interest probably, that below foremen you ate what you brung. Until the motorized lunch counters started showing up.
Ah so because Polanski and ACORN have lower scores in child rape that makes it better, liberals are just sad. BTW some proof on that and Wiki is not a source.
Thank you for showing us just how twisted you liberals are. You are a piece of garbage who should thank the men and women in uniform for letting you be the sniveling little creep you are.
Quite right, it also was a bit of perk since the lunch room sold meals inexpensively and it mean't you were just a bit deserving of the attention. It somewhat gave credence to the class system
which was or is not popular unless you are somewhat an elitist.
P.S. They could also discuss the events of the job which was to the employers benefit
This is the bottom line for the moral relativists. He's one of theirs, so whatever he's done is just fine. There's no standards, constraints, self-control, or notion of right and wrong, or good and evil. Has the Duke Group of 88 weighed in yet?
Trust me, not all non-Christian liberals support Polanski.
This non-Christian liberal is absolutely aghast at those who have come out in support of him.
Be angry at Polanski, be angry at those who want the crime forgiven, but don't think that all non-Christian liberals fall into that camp.
That's the size of it. Everyday libs are wondering WTF @ Hollywood over this. Hollywood probably thinks that ya'll understand, but they forget how many libs are social workers and teachers and nurses that work with damaged kids who went through what Polanski's victim did and worse. Hollywood has forgotten how many people on the left STILL live in the real world.
Maybe this will remind them?
*MissQuinn*
That's what all our respected journalists in the MSM keep forgetting or ignoring. He did not "have sex with an underage girl", He drugged and raped a 13 year old girl. She said NO, She did not consent. She said NO at every stage of the ordeal, and he still persisted. He raped her.
Thank you.
I think we are seeing a line drawn at last.
It's not about religion or politics…it's about decency.
That's why I'm not a liberal any more. What really changed my mind was the way the "artists" treated the "Philistines" as you so aptly put it. That's what made me realize something was very, very wrong with liberal thinking. I am now a proud open-minded Independent. I am so sorry I wasted so much of my life as a liberal democrat, but hey, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
While I am now an Independent(raised a democrat), this is no longer my father's Democrat Party! And for this reason alone I thank God he is no longer with us.
59 replies – that has to be a BH record. Having idiot parents doesn't excuse it. Those parents sound like the same kind that would tart up a 6 year old (can someone say JonBenet?) for a "beauty" pageant.
Parents can't 'send' their children to fight anywhere. A person (18 years or older) has to willingly sign up to whichever branch of the armed forces they choose. A 17 year old can join if their parents sign a waiver, and I am sure that they cannot be forced to join the armed forces (please correct me if I'm wrong…I read this somewhere and cannot remember where).
This idiotic meme really needs to die.
I don't think Bill Clinton ever disputed Juanita Broderick or Kathleen Willey. He also paid off Paula Jones. But to your point, the feminists went after the victims not the perp. Just because he was a liberal Democrat.
DON'T YOU DARE blame that on Bush then you asshole.
And this vindicates Polanski how? Your attempt at defending the child rapist with moral equivalence has failed. Try some other method to defend him.
No one said that Iraq caused 9/11. In fact Bush went out of his way to say they didn't. All the intelligence agencies in the world said there were WMDs. Even the Kurds that were gased were evidence of it. Right??? Your Delta Tau Chi name should be 'Dopey Guest'.
Now you're pushing it. The lib troll has his talking points but knows nothing about the facts behind any of the accusations. Typical liberal. The Dems also didn't allow any oversight of Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae at the request of George Bush. Why? One Bawney Fwanks boyfriend was working for them. Where's the outrage over that Matoywynn? Matoywynn how come whiney little liberals, like yourself, can come on here and just spout lies that my 5 year old niece can disprove in 5 minutes?
It seems very much to have been rape-rape, but what he plead guilty to was statutory rape. It's disgusting and it's disgusting that anyone would excuse it and it's disgusting that so many people seem not to comprehend that laws apply to everyone.
Is it any wonder that celebrities are defending him? After all, if he's not immune, neither are they.
And I am very glad to hear that regular-joe liberals and feminists are pushing back over this. It's a nice change and I hope will open a door for more people to identify what they *believe* and judge events by those standards and not by this very weird non-morality that has been promoted for so long. Feminism should have to do with how women are treated, no matter who they are or what they believe. Racism and equality are moral issues that are not compatible with situational ethics or with the sort of multicultural "respect" that refuses to take a stand to defend the oppressed.
Now that's funny!!!
How long did Dahmer last? Polanski will be a feather in someones cap in no time. Men with "short eyes' do not last long in prison. I will not weep.
Mr. P FLED the country. I think his charges are more than just the rape. I think he faces federal charges as well which–considering the current administration–may garner him a "shame on you", a sharp flogging on the wrist with a wet buckwheat noodle, and an all expenses paid trip to that same Pacific Island archipelago that recently received some GITMO detainess. He needs to do some serious time folks.
When the attacks on the students happened in Israel…a terrorist scumbag in a school, the shouts of joy for the deaths of those young Jews on the Huffpo were unbelievable. The place is overflowing with racist scum.
They had to close comments because of the venom sprayed on that page for Jews. They would have been the first to join the SS and kill Jews in Nazis Germany. These are the types….
Racism is the cry of the liberal, not the practice of the conservative.
The savings and loan crisis was a bunch of Democrats and one John McCain. Where was the deregulation? The regulations were there, from the CRA (Jimmy Carter) that forced banks to loan to deadbeats. The Glass Steagall Act was revoked with the swipe of the pen from Bill Clinton. Halliburton? Every president in modern history has used them. Do you even know what they do? Probably not. It's just another talking point from another pointy headed liberal. Stealing from tax payers? Do the names Geithner and Rangel mean anything? Also the stimulus, Cap and Trade and the biggest thievery to come – health care reform (socialized medicine). We were very vocal to not allow the bailouts – TO ANYONE! Please get your facts straight.
Well I thought Lena in Frantic was a hottie.
Whoopi….I just don't even know how to respond to a comment like that. I'm speechless. And believe me that's almost impossible.
Wait a minute. The Beach Boys did record a Charles Manson song. So he IS an artist and should have paid his dues by now. He wasn't really even at the scene of the Tate murders. According to a lot of people in Hollywood, that's enough to let him walk.
I think the plea is obviously out the window. He is charged with rape and sodomy of a child under 15, felony child abuse, drug charges including the felony of drugging a juvenile, fleeing the jurisdiction and should serve a minimum of 8 1/2 – 17 no time served. How about that?
No.
Already tried and convicted. He escaped justice until now. He may again. Let's hope not.
Thanks for clearing that up. I knew it was a mix of events before he skipped. I didn't think he got the prosecution stage yet. But if you're going to either cut your girlfriend up or drug and rape a 13 year old, Europe's the place to go.
You're right. Bill Clinton bombed the Balkans without UN approval or a coalition.
I've read of children, girls, menstruating at age 8. Does that count? Is she "fair game" because she has reached puberty?
Since he referred to Polanski as a rapist that would seem to indicate that no, "fair game" is not a word he would use. Actually, an eight-year-old still looks like a child so it would still be pedophilia and under the age of consent either way.
Did you read the entire comment or just go off on the first sentence?
It isn't a "premise". It's a freaking definition. There's another word for men who are sexually obsessed with young pubescents, but I'm not about to Google for it as I'm writing this from my work computer.
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IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>I read the whole thing. And I don't think that I \”went off\” at all. The most agressive statemient I made was that his? premise fell flat. Noname calling or telling him how wrong he was. I see thatwe are both on the same wavelength, however, I have a difference of opinon as to what constitutes pedophilia and where the line is drawn. </DIV> <DIV>I asked a question. He set the benchmark for pedophiliaas sex with the\”prepubescent\”. That after the onset of puberty, pedophilia was not an appropriate term. Since children much younger than 13 can enter puberty…..????</DIV> <DIV> Indeed…where does one draw the line between full on pedophilia and \”sex with a minor\”? Is that the term? It's rape in the end but…?</DIV> <DIV> No anger. No accusations.</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>So…you are agreeing with the idea that if the girl has entered puberty, regardless of age, that sex with say an 8 year old, who has entered puberty, is not pedophilia? Really? That's how you personally see it?</DIV> <DIV> Forgive me if I misunderstand but…is that what you are saying? That puberty defines the line between pedophilia and some other name for sex with an 8 yearold?</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
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sorry, but that's pure liberal conspiracy BS. just because some kook in "The Nation" makes wild accusations about Blackwater doesn't make the accusations true.
[...] HuffPo is the latest Leftist mob to come out to bat for Polanski. However, to their credit, many readers [...]
Libertarians are in favor of using illegal drugs and consensual sex. Don't any of them have the courage of their convictions to defend Polanski? Are principles optional for libertarians?
No, I don't like libertarians. How can you tell?
[...] Brett Ratner on Roman Polanski: “The family has forgiven him. The victim has forgiven him. The rest of the world has forgiven him.” Now if only the legal system could just get over the pettiness of prosecuting a convicted child rapist who fled the country for three decades to escape sentencing. Also, the rest of the world hasn’t forgiven him. [...]
I'm no libertarian, but there is a difference between consensual sex and statutory rape.
Even libertarians can understand a 13 year old girl cannot properly consent to sex.
Drugging and buggering a 13 year old kid is Hollywood cool, as long as he didn't do something really bad …like vote for Sarah Palin . The gals on the "View" are cool with it. Hell if you've got an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar , little MTV Moon guy award….. you can rape my kid… it's cool.
I get it a 40 year old guy gets a 13 year old drunk, gives her drugs and buggers her in the butt and it's ok because the girl's mother is a douche bag. Hey it wasn't rape-rape. no that wasn't necessary he was kind enough to incapacitate her with Champagne and a qualude. Let him poke you kid is the ass. you douche bag
Actually, I think that was the UN, AKA Acorn International.
"Mrs. Huffington, the readers are revolting."
"They certainly are!"
You know, between their defense of Acorn and Polanski, someone might get the idea that certain liberals don't have a problem with people who rape little girls.
Those silly liberals! They just looooooove their perverts! Hide the children.
Define "consensual" .He gave her booze (Champagine) he gave her drugs ( 1/2 a qualude) He licked her virgina , she cried and said stop and asked to go home, he had intercourse with her, she cried ,asked him to please stop and take her home. He rolled her over and sodomised her and climaxed, she cried and begged to go home. If uncle Louie or a coach or a teacher did this is would be a crime, unless uncle Louie has an Oscar, or is a friend of say George Clooney ….aha then we're cool with it, I think I get it now.
Lucky for the girl this did not happen in a Muslum country, because I believe we would have had to do the honorable thing and of course stone her to death . Go Roman ! hey let me hold your oscar for a few minute and you can bugger one of my kids. …deal?
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I saw a similar thread of comments over at arch-conservative site (sure it is) Pandagon. Amanda Marcotte, someone with whom I probably disagree on pretty much every issue, including the phases of the moon, came down squarely on the side of "his sorry ass should go to jail". Almost all of her commenters agree. While most of the readers there would probably stroke out at the thought that they and I agree on anything, this one case should certainly be defined by left or right.
HA!
HuffingandPuffingtonPost seems to have moved all mention of Polanski from their front page and started with a fresh bout of Palin bashing.
In a rare slip, they let their true colors show for a moment. Now it will be back to HolierthanThou Huffington.
But according to her testimony the child was already raped twice before Polanski… (If there is no cosensual sex with teenager, then her first two intercourses must be rapes). Were those rapes ever investigated? If the child abuse is such a heinous crime, why those two first rapes declared by the victim before the grand jury were never even touched upon? If there is no statute of limitations applying to this crime, why not to investigate those rapes now? Why not to begin with such an investigation before trying to nail Polanski? In short: why famous filmmaker of European origin must be brought to justice and some obscure American rapists shouldn't?
I've read of children, girls, menstruating at age 8. Does that count? Is she "fair game" because she has reached puberty?
Is that really the criteria for when to have sex with what is undeniably a child?
Your premise falls flat. He's a pedophile. When I was 18 I discovered that the girl I was dating was about to turn 16 when she asked if she could use my car to take her drivers test. Blond, beautiful, 15 goin' on 30 .but to me, way too young.
That's just me I guess but…a 13 year old when you're how old? Gimme a break. Maybe in some Crapistan where child brides are common, but not here, not in the USA. Ya roll like that , you're a creep what needs plantin'. Dirt nap. Grizzly Bear dung.
"No doubt Obama was aware that this arrest was going to occur. "
i dunno…he was completely unaware of the Tea Party that was about to land in Washington. He didn't hear a word that Jeremiah Wright was screaming from his pulpit that he sat in front of for over 20 years.
He seems to miss quite a bit. Unless it's what Kanye West has done recently, or what he thinks of the cops that arrested his buddy….then he's got a grip on things.
Blame Bush for not having him arrested…but credit Obama for his arrest with not a shred of evidence that he had a thing to do with it. Polanskis mouthy lawyers put the spotlight on this case and the DA jumped on it.
BDS will never die!
S.B.
You are assuming that her first two sexual experiences were with older men. What if they were with children her age? Was a crime committed?
We don't know the circumstances of her sexual experience before the rape.
Fair enough. But I wonder what the political devide of those that support Polanski is.
Yep, the liberal Hollywood types are supporting a conservative rapist. Now that would truly be La, La, Land. Besides, I said leftist celebrites not all liberals.
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The statute of limitations has expired.
The only court procedure he would face in the U.S. is a sentencing hearing on the unlawful sexual conduct charge he pled to, not a new trial on anything else.
The original plea bargain called for 160 days IIRC, of which he served 42.
I bet he only has to complete the remainder of that sentence.
He would also be required to register as a convicted sex offender in most U.S. states.
I was surprised to find that Switzerland even had jails.
Uh oh, even the NYT editorial page comes down against the celebrated child rapist:
—Yet where is the injustice in bringing to justice someone who pleads guilty to statutory rape and then goes on the lam, no matter how talented he may be?
In Europe, the prevailing mood — at least among those with access to the news media — seemed to be that Mr. Polanski has already “atoned for the sins of his young years,” as Jacek Bromski, the chief of the Polish Filmmakers Association, put it.
We disagree strongly, and we were glad to see other prominent Europeans beginning to point out that this case has nothing to do with Mr. Polanski’s work or his age. It is about an adult preying on a child. Mr. Polanski pleaded guilty to that crime and must account for it.—
Not so much a "coward". I'm just really, really tired of carefully constructing sentences to convey meaning and getting the same old tired "drugs and sodomy" thrown back at me by people who will simply not stop to read and think about what it is I'm saying.
To borrow something else from Polanski's past, if the D.A. had allowed the Manson Family to plead to the lesser crime of breaking and entering, they could not then be sentenced as though they had been convicted of mass murder.
Likewise, Polanski was allowed to plead to statutory. Therefore, THAT is the crime of which he is legally guilty. The facts of the case, as gross and disturbing as they may be, are not relevant to the discussion of his extradition, as he was not convicted of those crimes. Pursuing international extradition for a 30-year-old statutory rape case, where the now 44-year-old victim has gone on record as saying she doesn't want it re-opened, is overzealous.
But screw the rule of law. To think that way, I must be a pedophile sympathizer. If I said, "lynch him", would that make me a racist as well?
thanks for the thoughtful reply…
We don't want him to go unpunished. Read the post carefully. It's a matter of what is a fair ajudication. Also too, it seems a distraction from some very important world changing events going on under our noses.
Capish?
obviously we sympathize…
It is amazing how our take was construed as a defense- of the undefensable- when it was no such thing. The vitriol we've been getting is pretty amazing. The emotional response to this issue has blinded enough of us that a rational debate like yours is immediately seized on as somehow exculpatory.
Oh well. Live and learn. Certainly hope the denizens of Big Hollywood will forgive our apostasy over time…
it appears the 'fix' is in. He's going to be extradited and will serve time. As you all have pointed out fame is no longer an excuse (Plaxico Burress)…
yep. And we used to be pretty well liked here too. Really stepped in it this time; the reality of the situation was far outweighed by the emotional response. Live and learn…
You know, when I read her testimony, I also thought "This wasn't her first rape", but it was more along the lines of "this poor child'd been victimized her whole life" rather than "It's hipocracy to hold Polansky accountable when I don't know the lurid details of her other rapes." Your argument comes awful close to the "everyone does it (her)" defense.
we are chastened, and properly so…
Please understand, I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm simply saying that the term "pedophile" refers technically and specifically to adults who are sexually stimulated by pre-pubescent children. You jumped on the "fair game" thing, which nobody here other than yourself has said.
If it's okie dokie for Mr. Director to slip her a lude/bubbly cocktail, then society owes a big apology to all the Roofie dudes who slipped a little something into a women's drink to make her more…appreciative…of their attentions.
Is that where we want to go/
What I've learned is, people really don't read with comprehension. They just react to phrases.
I blame the public schools.
By the way, I was actually called a "dingus" by somebody. What the hell?
suppose it's better than 'despicable' or 'douchebag'… dingus most likely an upgrade.
You are correct in your assertion. You obviously were a product of the pre 1977 Dept of Education era as were we. How our posts could be construed as a defense is amazing- it was a pitchfork and torch crowd (who were righteously indignant, no doubt) that we waded into with a nuanced take.
Bad guy, needs to be brought to justice. Execution seems a bit harsh. That becam a defense. Go figure…
But you're part of Satan's minions if you don't want to pay for illegal aliens public health insurance.
However, the mother of this girl purportedly dropped her off at Nicholson's house and she was all sexed up.
Not that is an excuse, but it does seem to mitigate his misdeeds somewhat.
Please register as a sex offender immediately.
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Well, obviously the statute of limitations hasn't been reached on the flight, since he's not back in custody yet. He fled before he was sentenced, so it seems his running could effect both his rape sentence, and of course, the time for fleeing.
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What a douchebag move…
No statute of limitation applies here. It would only apply to the time in between when a crime was committed and when legal proceedings comence.
He was convicted in 1977 and has been a fugitive from justice.
By the way. He was charged with those other felonies within the statute of limitations, but they were dealt away back then as part of the plea deal. I'll wager that the prosecution is not so quick to continue with that deal anymore, since he didn't live up to his side of the bargain.
mitigate his misdeeds?
I don't care if Mommy dropped her off wearing nothing but a red bow around her waste. What he did was sick and demented.
I think you were right. It was the UN.
The Democrat party, as your dad knew it, was gone in the late 60's when it started sliding down the left side of the hill.
Yes, we should excuse Polanski for his drugging and then rape of a 13 year old girl. We should do so because he is such a great artist who has done so much for the progressive cause and he must have just been trying to help the girl to get through puberty anyway. While we’re at it, we should also pardon Charles Manson and his crew for the murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child. I’m sure that they were simply trying to help Sharon get an abortion and it just went terribly wrong. Heck, by this reasoning we should also forgive the Nazis for the holocaust. They were very up on the occult and had probably foreseen the possibility of the infinitely eeeeeevil Jewish state of Israel and were just trying to do their best to save the world from this rogue state. And yes, this is dripping sarcasm for the idiot apologists who wrote these pathetic columns, has a complete lack of morality ever been more obviously put on display? SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!!!
Did you reply to the wrong post? I don't see anything attacking "all liberals" in this particular thread.
That said, if Whoopi and Woody are rushing to his defense, he's NOT conservative. Articles condemning him are overwhelmingly found on Breitbart sites. Articles defending him are overwhelmingly found on Salon and Huffpost. The math ain't hard. And I said 'overwhelmingly,' not 'exclusively,' so pointing out exceptions only tells me something we both already know.
in response to any and all accusations of painting liberals with a broad brush, I'll now attack all liberals with said broad brush.
I've been called a Nazi for opposing the public option. I've been called an ignorant red-stater for protesting Chicago-style politics in my capitol. My side of the ideological divide knows sodomizing a middle-schooler is evil. The liberal side is DIVIDED ON THE ISSUE? Telling them and everyone who supports them to go to hell is frankly redundant at this point. Teabaggers aren't advocating kristalnacht, and townhallers aren't tying chains to any pickups. Truthers are defending child rapists, and ACORN is offering to assist the child sex trade.
Wrong is wrong, and evil is evil. Polanski and Acorn are more evil than Nixon. All liberals should be forced to wrap their minds around that before they vote again.
[...] by a large number of hollywood celebrities. (Thankfully there are some, both celebrities and non, who are rightly appalled by [...]
Of Course Hollywood is full of hypocrisy. Most people don't realize that the word Hypocrite comes from the Greek work Hypocrites (pronounced hip o crit ace) which is the koine Greek term for Actor. Jesus was literally calling the religious phonies of His day actors.
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>So…you don't like the fact that I used the words, \”fair game\” in my post. Perhaps that was a poor choice of words. Perhaps I should have used Kid Rocks term. \”If there's grass on the field, it's time to play ball\”.</DIV> <DIV> Whatever. My choice of words for that post does not alter the facts. Pedophilia is not a term strictly used for sex with prepubescent children. That much is clear regardless of this battle of semantics. Again…I \”jumped on\” nothing.</DIV> <DIV> No anger. No insult intended. Just a simple fact.</DIV> <DIV>Happy Trails…</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>I wonder…I just read some interesting articles that leave me in doubt. I kinda wonder if he'll ever see the US again. In fact, I'll bet 20 bucks he never sees an American courtroom. Any takers?</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
There is a special place in hell reserved for child rapists. Right next to that is the one for their supporters.
You and me Pal, you and me. I stated elsewhere that were it my daughter, he would vanish only to reappear in piles of Grizzly Bear dung, spread over a wide area.
There's one in my neighborhood that weighs about a thousand pounds now who would be happy for the meal.
[...] Martin Scorsese leaping up to defend him. The Huff and Puff as well… though interestingly the feedback they’re getting from their readers on the point is far from kind. We remarked on this stuff yesterday, of course. I’m forced to ask again, [...]
I don't know how you can possibly put the racist label on liberals here. That's such a skewed logic and the historic record is against you on this. Try reading Slavery By Another Name, for one. Liberals are not the ones carrying witch doctor posters of Obama or making claims there's a "lyin' African" in the White House, or suggesting we re-segregate school buses. That would be the conservatives.
And there are no "shouts of joy" on HuffPo for the death of young Jews – you simply don't know the site if you are making claims like this. Sounds like you are quoting the talking points like a good little robot, making HuffPo the demon instead of the ones who are actually doing harm to us all.
For the record, my liberal friends are INCENSED with the Polanski matter and the suggestion that he might deserve clemency. Good people of all political stripes are on the same side here. Why make it into a right/left issue?
Odd. And what was the Faye Dunaway character's secret at the heart of Chinatown? And who gets custody of her daughter in the end?
LOL
As for the question of what would be an appropriate sentence. He will probably get time served on the previous conviction. If the conviction gets overturned in some way, I doubt their remains enough evidence for a retrial. However, the kicker will be what charges ensue for fleeing the country.
he is going to do time. He's the new Plaxico Burress…
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>Liberals are generally aligned with Democrats. Who fought against Civil Rights? Democrats. Who founded the KKK? Democrats. Which site had to close comments on the death of they youn Jewish students shot to death by a terrorist because of the embarassing number of anti-Semitic comments made there.</DIV> <DIV> Don't piss down my neck and try and tell me it's rainin'.</DIV> <DIV> And I did not put the racist lable on anyone here. I was referring to the racist posts made at the Huffpo about the murders of some students in Israel</DIV> <DIV> Show me where I accused all liberals of being racist. Yo however are putting the racist label on all Conservatives because of the actions of the few. And I saw the witch doctor thing and I did not find it to be racist. But to the liberal ready to cry racist it was a perfect opportunity.</DIV> <DIV> And who in the hell is suggesting that school buses be segregated? Not I. </DIV> <DIV>Learn some histroy and see who was for and who was against Civil Rights being passed. </DIV> <DIV> Charlton Heston, the past President of the NRA marched alongside Dr. Martin Luther King long before it was fashionable. He was salmmed for doing so, by Democrats! </DIV> <DIV> Racist is the cry of the liberal, not the practice of the Conservative.</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>Liberals are generally aligned with Democrats. Who fought against Civil Rights? Democrats. Who founded the KKK? Democrats. Which site had to close comments on the death of they youn Jewish students shot to death by a terrorist because of the embarassing number of anti-Semitic comments made there.</DIV> <DIV> Don't piss down my neck and try and tell me it's rainin'.</DIV> <DIV> And I did not put the racist lable on anyone here. I was referring to the racist posts made at the Huffpo about the murders of some students in Israel</DIV> <DIV> Show me where I accused all liberals of being racist. Yo however are putting the racist label on all Conservatives because of the actions of the few. And I saw the witch doctor thing and I did not find it to be racist. But to the liberal ready to cry racist it was a perfect opportunity.</DIV> <DIV> And who in the hell is suggesting that school buses be segregated? Not I. </DIV> <DIV>Learn some histroy and see who was for and who was against Civil Rights being passed. </DIV> <DIV> Charlton Heston, the past President of the NRA marched alongside Dr. Martin Luther King long before it was fashionable. He was salmmed for doing so, by Democrats! </DIV> <DIV> Racist is the cry of the liberal, not the practice of the Conservative.</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>And there are no \”shouts of joy\” on HuffPo for the death of young Jews – you simply don't know the site if you are making claims like this.</DIV> <DIV> I saw the posts. I read them…'til they vanished. It was disgusting. But I suppose I should believe you instead of my lyin' eyes.</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
"some issues go beyond ideology" well said.
People, and I include myself here, can sometimes get stuck up on left-wing vs right-wing, when the important is "what's right" vs "what's wrong."
What Polanski did was wrong and that's that..
Probably the same way Republicans react if you suggest they send their little Brad or Suzy off to fight in Iraq.
Ah yes, having a 13 year old daughter raped is exactly the same as one's 18 year old adult offspring volunteering to join the US military.
Or are you an advocate for something like the child soldiers in various third world conflicts?
Probably the same way Republicans react if you suggest they send their little Brad or Suzy off to fight in Iraq.
Ah yes, having a 13 year old daughter raped is, to you, exactly the same as one's 18 year old adult offspring volunteering to join the US military.
Or are you an advocate for something like the child soldiers in various third world conflicts?
Either way, you're one very twisted little person.
i stole it from someone else so feel free.
I think it is public domain by now.
[...] brings me to the poutrage the right wing blogs have shown over even the meekest defense of [...]
[...] Update I: There has been a revolt by Huffington Post readers, who are very center-left politically, to some of the pro-Polanski articles. Like I said, both liberal and conservative Americans are of one voice displaying displeasure at how Hollywood actors, directors, and producers are defending Roman Polanski. For the article click here. [...]
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This dude needs a good long run in a true pound em in the ass prison.
Pedophiles are attracted to children, even those who are post-pubescent. The thrill seems to be, in part, defiling innocence– and that certainly applies here.
He raped a 13-year-old, and he had relations with an underage Nastassia Kinski.
As the mother of a 12-year-old, let me tell you… a 13-year-old, whether physically developed or not, is STILL A CHILD.
Not violent?!? NOT VIOLENT? Rape is one of the most violent acts a person can commit you idiot. See what it does to people. See what it takes from them.
3-5 years? You're pathetic. Victims get life sentences with this type of crime. It's really unbelievable you could suggest that small a sentence.
[...] Toto at Big Hollywood sides with commenters upset with the Huffington Post writers who support the release of Polanski: Could this [...]
glad to see everyone is still on this topic…
We do not condone rape, the man is scum and needs to be punished, Good enough? Like to think we are not idiots, either. It's a matter of appropriate response. Emotional aspects aside is death too much? Probation too little? What would YOU do?
e is 72 years old. It would most likely be a death sentence…
Polanski didn’t spike her drink with knock out animal tranquilizer – she willingly ingested illegal illicit substances over a period of time to get impaired. Takes more than a sip or two under “non"peer pressure to get impaired.
What was she already doing in a hot tub unclothed to begin with to even enable vaginal intercourse and anal sodomy at the home of an actor known for relationships with young women? Hardly pedophilia, if contemporary photos are any indication of her appearance at the time – typical of a cute student entering her freshmen year of college – quite post-pubertal.
He went farther during their make-out session than she would have wanted and verbally indicated and wingnuttery California’s greatest weapon in the case was their Puritan 19th Century statute making all oral sex and all anal sex between husband and wife a felony punished by years of imprisonment (and everybody else beside husband and wife for that matter).
The truth of this case is unquestionably in the middle. Catholic priests & Dioceses settle financially and civily (as Polanski already had with said victim) for far greater offenses.
O.K. so the French and Europeans have a different view than 1970’s California adopting the Social Purity Movement-Christian Women’s Temperance legal cultural political agenda in the late 19th Century.
Continental Europe (France & Poland included) being founded upon the religion of Christendom which is founded upon her eternal “Father” impregnating – “come upon you” (I am not making this up!) a Jewish 12 year old named Mary and giving her to a 30 something year old man named Joseph to sleep naked with and at least a Quicky on the wedding night to be fully legally married according to Judaism.
There’s part of your explanation for lax historic European attitudes.
As the U.S. Supreme Court has declared the designation of Sodomy et. al to be unconstitutional as a criminal charge and California no longer recognises the existence of such – I am assuming it could be some sort of “double jeopardy” to retry Polanski on a charge of unspecified sexual imposition of a minor… as the crime of sodomy has no "heretofore" alleged existence in California… as in erased from Legal memory.
moralists are just as dangerous!!!!!!!!! come on…
u are wrong…beeing famous made things worse….anyway europeans have a different point of view, and a better understanding of human nature.. in usa everybody is so angry its scary….
.projections…
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