Barbara Boxer: A Bad Actor
by Chuck DeVoreBarbara Boxer’s snippy confrontation with Brigadier General Michael Walsh on Capitol Hill on June 16, 2009 (Don’t call me “Ma’am,” call me “Senator”) wasn’t a display of a lack of proper military respect for Boxer, it was an open display of contempt from Boxer towards the people who serve in the military. That the Senator’s contempt was open and obvious shows Boxer’s lack of acting skills – most liberals have mastered the art of at least acting like they respect the men and women in the armed services.
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Liberal contempt towards those who take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States has deep roots in the hard left that Boxer epitomizes. Look at how Boxer manipulates concern for the casualties of war to ram home her political attack against former President Bush in this email from 2007:
U.S. troops stayed in Vietnam, in the middle of a civil war, for more than ten long and painful years. More than 50,000 of our young people died, countless wounded mentally and physically. Suicides and homelessness still follow too many of our Vietnam veterans. How many more would have died if George W. Bush had been President in the 1970’s? How many more of our troops and innocent Iraqis will die if we don’t finally end this war?
One wonders how many of the suicides Boxer mentions were due to the hostile reception the left gave our returning veterans…
Today the left “loves the soldier” but “hates the war” – this is a cop-out. You cannot separate the soldier from his mission. Perhaps that’s why Boxer’s ideological allies “honor” our heroic fallen who return in caskets by using them as political symbols to attack the very thing our heroes were fighting for: our liberty and our safety. Evidence of the left’s scorn for the military is manifold: the widespread effort to ban ROTC from campuses and in San Francisco’s perennial effort to eject any military presence in their city (the City by the Bay approved a “College, Not Combat” measure in 2005 telling military recruiters to stay out of the city’s high schools).
Why are liberals uncomfortable with the military? Why do some liberals apparently despise our military? Is it because the armed services remind them that not every international dispute can be solved with soothing words uttered by a diplomat? Is it because they view military expenditures as taking money away from greater health and welfare spending? Do the heroes who serve show them that the world is not perfect and can never be made so by trillions of dollars of new government handouts?
Boxer dressing down of a U.S. Army general in public unfolded during a hearing on the Army Corps of Engineers’ work in New Orleans. When General Walsh, recently returned from Iraq, addressed California’s junior senator as “Ma’am” – a perfectly acceptable sign of military respect to both a U.S. Senator or a senior female officer, Boxer immediately responded, “I had a… You know… do me a favor, could you say ‘Senator’ instead of ‘Ma’am’ – it’s just a thing, I worked so hard to get that title so I’d appreciate it, yes thank you.”
According to the U.S. Army’s own guide to protocol, Members of the U.S. Senate should be verbally addressed as “Sir,” “Ma’am” or “Senator.” So, General Walsh was simply following longstanding tradition.
When addressing senior officers, with the exception of generals whom most junior officers and enlisted personnel usually call “General” more than “Sir” the most respectful form of address is “Sir” or “Ma’am.” Ironically, use of the actual rank in address is oftentimes used in situations when the senior officer has not yet earned respect from an enlisted person, as in “Yes, Lieutenant!” as opposed to “Yes, Ma’am!”
Of course, this wasn’t Barbara Boxer’s first confrontation with the U.S. military – not by a long shot. Boxer cut her political teeth on the anti-Vietnam war protests back in the day and never really changed her outlook on the uniformed defenders of the Constitution of the United States. Who can forget her confrontation with American hero Gen. David Petraeus back in 2007? Boxer called Gen. Petraeus a liar and then wrote a blog for the Huffington Post on September 14, 2007 which she headlined, “General Petraeus, Take Off the Rose-Colored Glasses.” Seen through the lens of time Boxer’s blog rant can almost be laughable were its implications not so injurious to our national security in calling for an immediate end (read: “defeat”) to the war in Iraq.
Perhaps it’s time for the Barbara Boxer to have a new title: “Ex-Senator.”
Mr. DeVore (R.-Irvine) represents about 500,000 people in Orange County California. He retired as a lieutenant colonel after 24-years of service in the Army National Guard and is a candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010 against Barbara Boxer.
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I saw the clip and my jaw dropped.
What a pathetic display
The general was being far too generous in calling her ma'am. That foul creature is the furthest I can fathom from being feminine. I have a name for Boxer but it would get my comment censored.
Lol! Only the insecure are wrapped up in making sure their titles are acknowledged.
Awww, she was just letting her inner bitch out..It's the new feng shui or whatever the nutz are calling it now.
I'm sure she's been called it before and it probably fits perfectly..Starts with a C and ends with a T. I hate that word for women but in this case even I would call her that.
I was dissapointed first with her for being a c_nt and then him for saying "Yes Senator"… Dear General Walsh, you are hereby granted permission to address her as "ya sure lady"..
Signed,
The American public.
I think anyone who visits DC and encounters one of the Senators ought to start addressing them with the title "B*tch* or *Bastard* – and if they protest remind the pukes THEY work for US. My tax money goes to pay the salaries of the military just as easily as my taxes goes to pay the salaries of the congressmen…the difference is the military are worthy of their titles. Boxer and her fellow Senators deserve as much scorn as we their constituents can hurl at them. Id be happy to do it to her face too.
Sorry. That pisses me off.
General Walsh's service to this country far outweighs Boxer's (yeah I didn't use her title and never will) feigned service as a pampered governement official anyday.
very few people who have ever served in Congress have ever been as far left, hyper partisan (ok, Nancy Pelosi comes to mind) dishonest, nasty and shrill as Boxer. Only in California could someone like her not only be elected but keep her seat, Diane Feinstein- who, like Pelosi has a husband making millions off of the taxpayers
isn't even as bad.
No, Boxer is a stand alone. She was just showing her true (Red) stripes in this exchange…
Having lived in Calfornia, I would have opted for Moonbat.
This is so strange to me– bear with me for a minute. My father-in-law is a General in the Air Guard and he has had to deal with Boxer personally and she was actually helpful in person. One of the only California politicians who granted funding when he asked for it. I was surprised when he told me that– he has no more love of Democrats than I do. So to see her here, I wonder how much of this is pandering to her constituency or to her party? I mean, why else behave one way in private and a different way in public? And the whole "call me Senator" thing? Bizarre.
Maybe she was high the day my FIL met with her…
Frankly, I was appalled at her utter lack of education in military protocol. Of course, this woman is a first rate narcissist. Her website claims she was voted in with the highest amount of votes for a Senator, EVAH, at 6.9 million. She fails to mention the tiny fact that 5 million voted against her, the highest amount voting against a Senator, EVAH.
Ms. Boxer probably earned the title the hard way…..her jaw must be very sore. (Hat tip to Crusty
Heard about this on Gallagher today- he had his callers light up Boxer's switchboard. Some folks called in later to say they'd been hung up on abruptly.
Anyone else notice that she didn't address the General as "General Walsh?" He just came back from a tour in Iraq (working a helluva lot harder than her)- putting his life on the line for this country, only to come back and be sniped by this witch??? She is an embarrasment to our country.
What is it with these Politicians and their need to be addressed by Title. Even after they leave office they desperatetly hold onto their beloved title. Sounds like something right out of the middle ages.
“I had a… You know… do me a favor, could you say ‘Senator’ instead of ‘Ma’am’ – it’s just a thing, I worked so hard to get that title so I’d appreciate it, yes thank you.”
I find it hard to believe that my Senator understands the meaning of the term "hard work".
P.S. General sir, I believe it was Socrates who said "There are those with titles and those who deserve them".. Just thought I'd add that in case you need it for a rainy day..
A hooker's service far outweighs any Senator's, in my opinion.
How come the left isn't screaming for his right to FREE speech? I mean I'm sure they were for Letterman. What about that hack Maher, he's always abusing free speech with his hateful comments, so if he can get away with that how come the general can't get away with calling this bitchful woman by a respectful title.
Barbara Boxer was first elected, then re-elected when California was still fairly center. Admittedly, she came up against some strange Republican opponents, but she was no diva either. Yet she won. California today is very left, and the odds of knocking her off are pretty bad. That isn't to say we shouldn't try. But she's the incumbent's incumbent, a lefty know-nothing in a lefty know-nothing state. The only hope for California right now is that even the dummies should be able to figure out that California is, for all intents and purposes, bankrupt. And it was done on the watch of two Democratic Senators, a heavily-Democratic House delegation, one RINO governor, a leftist state legislature, and a whole lot of leftist big city mayors. One sharp conservative, with good credentials and a bit of charisma, and who knows? There is some hope, but I'm not holding my breath.
I wasn't aware we had titles of nobility in this country. In fact, I'm pretty sure the founding fathers were dead-set against them.
I remind all of you just who the General works for. He was not elected, She was.
The General serves at the Pleasure of the President of the United States.
Period.
All you have to do is listen to her yak about how she wants to vote for the war supplemental. She is one of the worst Senators in Congress. California should be ashamed.
I was gonna ask. (videos off at work). how many times did she address the General as "General"…
Besides, when I grew up, my dad always told me that "Ma'am" was a sign of respect… I'm guessing the illustrious Ms. Boxer must never have been taught that one?
granting funding is a personal power thing- something she revels in. Sometimes it happens to be a good cause with a good person. We wouldn't make too much of it…
Bingo! You read my mind.
Barbie Boxer is a prime example of a hard-core Marxo-Bolshevo-Stalinist. Rules, laws, and etiquette are for the "unwashed" masses; she is too important, in her own mind, to be restricted by such nonsense. Sometimes, I'm convinced we've become too genteel as we let these very rude people out in public.
and your point is what?
Postulated in article that liberals (leftists) are uncomfortable with military. Postulates are all true, but corollaries to basic truth. Leftists in all their subspecies: Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, etc., fear military as realistic defenders of the people. U.S. military personnel in particular see the world as it exists, won't swallow leftist kool-aid and generally take seriously their oath to defend Constitution, not necessarily government.
Look at USSR historically; CCCP (Communist Party) was always fearful that miliitary officers would lead a counter-revolution, especially once officer corps saw how CCCP degenerate ideology and practices were destroying Russia. So once CCCP claimed political leadership, they fed upon traditional mistrust of enlisted men versus officers in Russian army to initiate purges of officer corps as most likely "enemy" of CCCP. Stalin very nearly lost Great Patriotic War as a result of his military purges.
It would have been classic if another Senator had addressed the General and asked him "as a favor, General, please call me Jim" or by whatever first name. But that would take some stones, and the majority in the Senate have none.
How this check bouncing, semi literate, completely corrupt buffoon (buffette?) is so few heartbeats away from the Presidency is disturbing nearly beyond rational thought.
She is icky to infinity.
I think that sometimes it is important to use proper titles. Plus, if the General was calling Boxer "ma'am" while referring to the male senators as "Senator," then Boxer would have something to complain about. That said, although the clip doesn't show how the general was addressing the other senators, Boxer makes pretty clear that it's all about the title for her. How sad.
Any truth to the rumor that she's trying to make the new state flower a soiled brown condom?
He should start calling her "Toots".
You know, you may have a good point here. I know that my FIL had been turned down by Feinstein, among others. Boxer may have granted the funds for no other reason than to flex her political muscle or make a point to another politician. Or maybe she likes having the power to play God– in a sense. I don't know. The whole thing is perplexing.
that begs the question, Hawk- is Cahl-ee-fohrn-ya ready to make the break and embrace fiscal responsibilty?
There certainly is a tipping point coming and with no new tax revenue can the state's powerful unions be defeated? Any Congressional races looking promising?
Or, is everyone waiting for the inevitable Obama bailout with the requisite printing of useless script to pay their bills, so they can come back in two years?
Just asking…
doesn't mean you have to be nasty to those who bail out your bacon on a daily basis…
I feel the same way about Barbara Boxer as I do when I find a hair in my food.
Senator Ma'am Boxer's Father would have to stand on the shoulders of her husband and she would have to stand on his shoulders just so she could reach and Kiss General Walsh and Petraeus Honorably Military A$$E$. I remember this Loud-Mouthed Brooklyn born Virago when I came back from the War. She hasn't changed one iota, except she's a lot richer . I'm sure she earned it the same way she earned her title. The Left hate's and fear's the Military for all the reasons your saying plus for the reason no one says Out Loud. Their the only Force along with The People, that can take the Gov't back if the Hard -Left makes their Big Move. I hope to God I, my children, my grand-children and their children never live to see it but I Do hope to see this Liberal Sow go down in Flames Politically or any other way. I'm Fed Up with these Sacred Cow American Hating Ingrates. That's All.
correct on all the above. They like it when you come to them, hat in hand, for funds. Most likely she wanted a favor from someone who needed the project your daddy in law was involved in. Sound cynical?
you bet…
A). He addressed her properly as ma'am.
B). When did Boxer become POTUS? Your point makes no sense.
at least one get's something for their money there.
It's too bad Dan Lundgren's attempt at the governor's seat came when it did. He's as solid a candidate as I ever witnessed in California but he got sucked into the abortion debate, on Grey Davis' terms, and thereby lost because of the hysterical female fear vote. Even now, knowing what Grey Davis was for California, I don't think the electorate would be wise enough to make a different decision if they could replay that election. That was a big missed opportunity for the state. It's unfortunate that Ahnuld is the face of California politics because it implies that a Republican is responsible for their mess rather than the completely Democrat dominated legislature.
very nice and correct recitation of history. His purges did nearly cost him the war, and if Doenitz had his 300 subs in 1940 the UK would have sued for peace and the USSR would be fascist now instead of communist-oops! they ARE fascist now…
silly us.
Boxer was, is now, and always will be a piece of sh.t. Liberals are eloi.
there is an undeniable yuck! factor with both…
What really strikes me, though, is that the address of "ma'am" is considered by most soldiers as a greater respect than the use of some title. It's a sign the person is being respected, not only the position. And it's that respect, the one an individual can earn, that I think is truly grand. If Ms. Boxer wants to go along with the piddling respect of her mere position as a member of Congress, so be it. That's precisely what she'll get, and no more.
Dear Darrell,
you are a retard.
Signed,
Barbara "Town Bike" Boxer, U. S. Senator
PS. I was elected, you know. So shut up or sue me.
Yes, she was elected. By people who have elected a long string of losers that put California in some of the hottest financial water in the country.
So we should all bow to their wisdom?
I'd have responded:
"Is that what your constituency calls you, ma'am?"
(Hell – lots of actresses in her state 'worked hard' to get plum roles, too…)
I was gonna go with "Chiquita"
I notice that she did not refer to him as General or sir. I think he probably worked very hard and long to attain his position as well.
Speaking as a conservative 'morlock'… I wouldn't eat 'em…
Let's do a side by side comparison to see who more deserves their title:
Gen. Walsh: Defended this country from enemies foreign and domestic
Babs: Won a "Who's the Biggest Dingbat?" contest in a constituency of dingbats.
I haven't seen the full interrogation (that's what it was, btw). But you can bet she never once addressed him properly. I'll have to see if I can find a transcript. If I'm wrong, I'll post a correction.
dcase: It's still a pretty bleak landscape. We always have a few good candidates in the wings, but somehow they never get the support they need. Chuck DeVore is one. Tom McClintock is my personal favorite. Tom Campbell is another. There are also a few successful business figures getting involved. I'm not sure Californians understand something as sophisticated as "fiscal responsibility," but even they know when they're broke, so they may be willing to listen to someone who does understand it. And if there's one thing I've learned in years of California politics, and that is that just when you think you've got it figured out, something totally unexpected happens.
That's pretty observant. Perhaps the Senator no longer wishes to be referred to as "Ma'am".. She is afterall in California and may have just recently discovered that she is trapped in a "Ma'am's" body and is seeking medical treatment to cure it. Perhaps next year we'll call her Mr. Boxer.
"why else behave one way in private and a different way in public?"
Two-faced maybe? Californians who keep losers like Pelosi & Boxer in office are now getting exactly what they deserve. Looks like they are never going to learn…
For this putrid little skank to demand such respect from an honorable soldier is beneath contempt, and that is totally besides the fact that he was already addressing her respectfully. Hey Boxer, this General has put his ass on the line to protect America, he went through boot camp, he has dedicated his life to America. He doesn't sit in a big leather chair in Washington and spend other people's money. But that's the Democrats for you. I guess we should be happy she didn't spit on him and call him a baby killer.
It kind of made me gulp and *cry* a tear.
We are enduring so much loss…
SteveM: Lundgren is an excellent official. His problem has been his stern demeanor in public. On qualifications alone, he is top-notch, but as a statewide candidate, he's problematic. He had the right demeanor for his last statewide election victory–Attorney General. My hope (and I think that there's some validity to it) is that nobody actually thinks of Ahnuld as a Republican. They think he's from the Actor's Party, and I don't think his party affiliation will mean much in the next election. He will mostly be the former [unsuccessful] Governator. I think former Vulcan ambassador, former San Francisco Alien Squad Cop and current blogger Gary Graham would make a great candidate.
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Trust me, we are. At least some of us. But look at the state of our budget and spending. California's biggest export is idiot politicians.
yeah, it's what we figured… the denial in the state is palpable; one can almost feel it. However, the vote on the taxes was encouraging and so was the 'tea party' turnout. Our guess is that many leftist Dem congresspeople are going to lose their jobs next year, particularly in marginal races.
How that plays in CA is anyone's guess…
Yeah, pray that you don't elect the kind of government California has. Pray hard.
When you elect a classless parvenu to the Senate, this is what you get. Why is anyone surprised that a jerk behaves like a jerk?
The US Senate is full of crooks, clowns, and nincompoops. Referring to Boxer as a Senator is hardly a compliment.
Since when did "ma'am" become a pejorative term?
Boxer is a real piece of work. I have a whole lot more respect for a Brigadier General than a senator.
Barbara Boxer is a very small, tiny person who thinks she is greater than she is. She is nothing. Boxer is a naked, rabid ideologue with nothing to say or do. The garbage is her kingdom.
BTW here is her # if anyone else wants to let her know how rude she is (202) 224-3553
Do you mean CaT, Kit? (tongue firmly in cheek)
Yes, we are ashamed. The problem is idealogues. Most of California will never vote for a Republican, even if the Democratic candidate was caught eating a baby.
I hope this doesn't get edited, but Barbara Boxer is a C*nt.
It sucks to live in California sometimes. I grew up here so didn't have much say in the matter. I suppose I could have moved after college, but when you have roots in one place it's hard to leave. Now I'm married and hubby's job and family keeps us here. We didn't vote for the liberals in office but we're pretty regularly outvoted so we're stuck with the results. I'd move if I could.
You would think that the dismal condition the state of California is in the voters of CA would clean house? Gary Graham for Governor, a great idea indeed
You're more than likely right. The whole thing sticks out in my mind because my FIL rarely talks about his job. The thing with Boxer must have really struck him as odd for him to bring it up.
Ummm surrre, that's what I meant.
Yea, I always say eeeeew to that also.
I can just hear her next rant now when a cop stops her for drunk driving.."DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!!!!!!!!!"
Really it’s a good thing because the left is unmasked much easier to defeat in 2010. Barbara Boxer is exactly what I expect out of California, a snotty ill informed leftist. No offense to our CA friends at BH.
And he would reply, "Why, yes, MA'AM, I do!"
Too right…with Congress, we don't even get a reach-around….
Ummm…. I didn't… but I think I got it anyway…
Chuck – Senator Boxer has a purpose in the Senate. She makes Patty Murray look smart.
This is what I have come to expect from that coven of west coast witches to which Madame Boxer belongs. They all stink of meaness and pettiness and stupidity. They all stink. My advice to witnesses in the future is to just answer the question only and use no title in addressing them.
As far as I'm concerned, being called a "Senator" is a vile 4-letter word, so her shoe fits.
Can you say non sequitur?
ROTFLMFAO!!!! Thanks I needed that.
Another great student of liberal government. Like Obama, he doesn't know that there are two other independent branches of government. The military is under the jurisdiction of the executive branch. Boxer got all the respect she was entitled to, and a lot more than she deserves.
So if not Gary Graham, then why not Senator LawHawk??
Very good point! That falls in the catagory of "You have to give respect to get it".
This continues the long, illustrious history of Democrat women attempting to intimidate military officers. Hillary called General Petraeus a liar by saying what he said would require a "willing suspension of belief". I guess it worked for her though. Hillary's wisdom in protocol led her to the office of Secretary of State.
Bev, you're my pal. But the last time I ran in an election I came in sixth in a field of five. I'm a lot better behind the scenes. As John Adams said to Thomas Jefferson when Jefferson asked why he should be the sponsor of the Declaration of Independence rather than Adams: "People tend to find me unpleasant."
Maybe she thought she was Ethel Merman, and wanted him to "Call Me Madam." Surely she doesn't think she's a real Senator. Perhaps he should have called her "Your Royal Senatress."
A military person is trained to refer to a senior ranking person by either sir or ma'am or by their rank. They are titles of respect. I guess Boxer doesn't know or understand that. Her loss because her petty outburst shows her for the person she truly is. Of course, if I had to guess, in her opinion the military needs her a lot more than she needs it.
Counselor, forgive me sir, but I find that "unpleasantness" at this point in time to be a virtue as opposed to a flaw.
Senator DeMint responds to Boxer's tantrum:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/18/its-on-demi...
Oldsoldier1: I think you may have a point.
Crunt?
An old curmudgeon attorney that knows how to say “NO” would be good for CA. “Hawk for Honcho.”
Damn that's an ugly woman.
My email to the "senator":
I am writing to you to express my extreme displeasure with your interaction with Brigadier General Michael Walsh on 6/16/2009. Your insistence that he address you as "Senator" was petty and childish. "Ma'am" is a perfectly respectable way for a person in the military to address a female member of the Senate. At the time, you stated that you worked hard to obtain the title "Senator". I can appreciate that. I, too, have worked hard to achieve my "rank and title", but I don't expect people to address me as "Sales and Markerting Director Metcalf". Do you see how ridiculous that is? For the record, I am the major breadwinner in my household; I'm strong-willed and fiercly independent. I say this lest you think I'm some kind of "barefoot and pregnant" submissive wifey. I am, most certainly, not. In conclusion, may I suggest that an apology to Brigadier General Walsh is in order? Otherwise, you will continue to be seen as a shrill, petulant, insecure female – and, really, is that what you want?
Hopefully in a short period of time we'll all be calling her the "ex-senator Boxer"!
Well said "mrdarknight" & "AtheistCon". When I was younger I used to be proud to tell people I was from California, now I only answer by saying "Out West" unless they really persue it they will never know I live in a once great state.
The General was trying to be polite. He didn't want to insult her by reminding the nation she was a politician.
I agree with you totally.
Check out my take, and stick around for more good content.
http://libertarianhumor.com/2009/06/18/boxer/
how bout we all just call her an idiot.
I would say "Babe" but she sure isn't one of those.
A bad actor — and a worse senator.
I wouldn't be surprised if she regularly went to San Fransisco Airport and spat on returning Viet Nam vets back in the day.
And yet, John Adams was our first Vice President and our second President!
And here I thought Boxer was implying that the trans-gender operation went terribly awry….
Armed Forces protocol is to use either sir, ma'am or Senator when addressing a Senator.
Check out my take, and stick around for more good content.
http://libertarianhumor.com/2009/06/18/boxer/
So does she demand that everyone call her senator, or just people in uniform? I would love to know this.
I would have preferred Senator Azzhole. After all, she worked hard to earn that title.
As an older career woman (over age 50, under 60), I can say without the potential taint of being accused of "sexism" or "ageism" that others here could be subjected to is that I believe SENATOR Boxer is most definitely menopausal… the uber-bitchy, "I shoot lightning bolts from my eyes into your skull" kind of menopause, not the weepy, "I wish I had married my high school sweetheart" kind or menopause. This is not an excuse for her snotty behavior, which I find appalling. Or, she's just an Id-Monster Bitch who isn't menopausal, which means when she IS menopausal, we had better get her a straitjacket. Either one works for me.
Babs is an embarrassment to professional women everywhere who want to be judged on their MERIT, not on their friggin' title from an election, and she is a disgrace to the Women's Rights Movement for this elitist, diva-prima donna stunt to upstage or dress down any member of our armed forces. My blood is boiling… I spit on her precious title… *spat*
I am a California native and I can't stand Boxer, Pelosi, Gavin Newsom, Jerry Brown nor the vast majority of those clowns we somehow end up electing to office. Part of the problem in California is that people from all parts of the US with their wacked out ideas and alternative lifestyles at some point get the wacky idea of moving to California. Then they register to vote. If we were to divide the California electorate into two groups; one group of voters who are from Cali, and another group of voters that are from somewhere else, I am positive the majority of the group of natives would be more conservative than the majority of the group that moved here from elsewhere. Sad thing is, there is no way to fix this. We may be stuck with Boxer, Pelosi, et al for a long time.
"Today the left “loves the soldier” but “hates the war” – this is a cop-out. You cannot separate the soldier from his mission. "
I am sorry but I respectfully disagree with this common argument. The easiest way to demonstrate why it is flawed is to put it this way:
"We love our soldiers. Which is why we think we the Japanese nation should continue to fight against the United States and never surrender." (WW2)
At what point does such an argument allow one to recognize that the mission either (a) is deeply flawed or (b) a lost cause and the best thing one can do for those soldiers is to bring them home? A poor analogy but one that makes a similar point is you are playing poker and refuse to fold no matter what. I could also quote the Klingon proverb, Only a fool fights in a burning house.
Please note – before people flame me – *I do not suggest this is necessarily the case in Iraq*. The Iraq war is certainly not a lost cause. Nor was it a fatally flawed endeavor. The point is – and *only* is – that the argument our fine friend (whom I do respect – and SENATOR Boxer is awful) advances about "you cannot separate soldier from mission" is one I cannot accept. What if President Obama declares war against Israel? What would you say then?!?
I can't watch stuff like this anymore. It makes me physically ill. That miserable contumelious little shrew isn't fit to clean his uniform.
There's something true I was told when I was a Lieutenant, and I passed it on to other LTs that followed me:
A person that deserves their rank or title never has to remind someone else what it is.
This is usually conveyed after the first observed incidence of "Me, Two Ell Tee. You, Sergeant", along with the general guidance that the 2LT will do it the sergeant's way if he wants to make it to 1LT some day. I hold it as a measure of personal pride that I learned this lesson back when I was a cadet so I didn't make an ass of myself in front of the troops on that account.
These Aholes work for us and they thing that we all owe them shock and awe.
I am depresed that this turd in a punch bowl is from CA.
When I wore the green suit, what he did was absolutely proper protocol. Nothing more, nothing less.
However, my Drill Sergeant, Richardson, would have replied with: "Motherf*****g ballb*g sniffing s***bird", or something even worse. And he could bench-press 425lbs at rates that Ah-nold would be frightened of.
DS Richardson, I have a job for you…
I am 8 ft tall, and I understand that Ms Boxer is about 4 ft tall, and has large ears as well as a complete set of dentures? Might I have her phone number, please?
Aw I don't know, I always thought arrogant, stupid and boorish was no way for anyone to go through life.
I made sure to email her office letting her know what I thought about of her utter lack of respect for our military. I included the biography of Brig. Gen Michael Walsh to show what "working hard" truly means. Sen. DeMint said about Boxer, she “Continues to be an embarrassment to her party.” And to our country.
Or another reply:
"My detainee, ma'am."
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AND IAGO SAID, "YOU ARE….A SENATOR!"
Read some damn Shakespeare and figure that one out Bo-toxer.
Beans – flatus. One drives the other. You are the other.
As a recently retired vet myself, I can tell you I hated being addressed as Lt. Col. I would always ask to be referred to as ma'am (or at the least 'doc') and my husband would always ask to be referred to as sir. This woman knows nothing of 'service' to her country or respect for the uniform. Another California disgrace…
Doc
When Rep. Steve Schiff was my Congressman, during the whole time before melanoma took him, I never referred to him as either Congressman or Representative.
Schiff was an officer in the Reserves, and during Desert Shield/Storm, made as much room as he had in his time to go over deploying service members personal preparations to make sure everything was properly done. For nothing. Pro Bono. Everyone he could get into his office.
I either called him "Colonel" or "sir".
"Senator" is now in the "Really Bad" list from here on. And Babs will NEVER earn "Enlisted, Non-Commissioned Officer, or Officer of the Military of the United States of America".
Stuff it, Babs. And go bake a pie.
Boxer
The General
No Ma'am and Al Bundy
There's a joke in there somewhere…
Mister DeVore, I pray that you win the election against Barbara Boxer. She has done so much harm to this country that if I ever met her, you can bet I would use a few choice words with which to address her, and none of them would be either "Ma'am" or "Senator."
Maybe she was being so pissy because she had "her thong on!"
As I have said many times; I have irrefutable proof that humanity is de-evolving. Compare any speech by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln and Grant to any of the utterance by San Fran Nan or Babs Boxer. No person with firing synapses could argue with that logic. The trolls will howl, but they can't refute these facts.
I left California before this harpy was elected. THank God!!
Hmmmm.. when someone in the military starts using formal rank all the time – especially towards some martinet who insists on it, it's usually a sign of DISrespect.
Just in case you wish to call one of her offices:
Wash DC 202-224-3553
San Fran 415-403-0100
Smogville 213-894-5000
Actually, the proper term with which to address Barbara Boxer is "comrade".
As a Californian, this woman is a total moron. It's disgraceful that this piece of garbage takes up a Senate seat. She is an arrogant fool. Unfortunately, she's a prime example of why California is going down the crapper.
Sure it wasn't cataphract?
"An amnesiac?"
A general in the US army is likely to be polite. They would likely address any woman working for the government as "Ma'am." The problem is, Senator Boxer is higher than any mere woman. She is both a woman and a Senator. Simply addressing her as Ma'am puts her in the same catagory as other women and therein lies the insult. This General should either resign his commission or be dishonorably discharged from the army for addressing Senator Boxer as merely, MERELY, Ma'am. Besides, the military is just like the CIA, they lie to Congress whenever they can.
(And by the way, I believe none of this but the first two sentences.)
Chuck has the best possible response
http://tcoverride.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-i-am-n...
Boy Daryl,
You're just a little bundle of factoids, aren't you?
Must have skipped your steel-trap mind that Boxer is therefore an employee of the citizens of the State of California, and that General Walsh does not serve at HER pleasure.
If I was a nincompoop, I'd be insulted by that comparison.
I wonder how often Boxer wonders about how many people in Southeast Asia were slaughtered by Communists once the Americans left?
Chuck, I hope you can finally end the nightmare that is "Senator" Barbara Boxer. I have seen many try and none have come close. I hope you have got something special up your sleeve.
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I have a couple of names I'd like to call her and they sure aren't M'am or Senator!! What a *itch!!
Nice.
This youtube clip would make a good opening for an Ad for her next opponent
Show the clip
Then V.O. stating: "Senator, you're right. We looked into the hard work you've done, such as.."
then show imagery and quotations of hers from all the material you can find that puts a light on her questionable ability, her hate for the military, her arrogance and ineptness. With all her years in public office, there should be reams of it all public domain.
I am a woman, and that word is the worst of the worst, but in her case I gotta agree.
"U.S. troops stayed in Vietnam, in the middle of a civil war,…"
That's a lie right there.
My brother on occasion had to deal directly with Pelosi and he says the exact same thing. LOL!
My sons address elders and teachers with Ma'am and Sir. Where I come from it is a sign of respect.
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What a rude _itch!
She makes me just want to punch her lights out.
And I'm far younger than she is!
Much as I dislike Boxer (no title necessary), I recall being annoyed at the trend in sci fi and genre stuff of women in authority being called 'Sir', especially if they were military. Just as terms using 'person' as in 'spokesperson' generally only denoted women, the practice backfires upon 'feminists' by disallowing any respect being attached to a title or reference that implies that the holder is a female. You see this also with 'madam', 'mistress', 'governess', etc. Most female titles have a sexual connotation or at the very least a less-respected meaning than the male equivalent. Boxer can't accept being referenced as female because for she and her feminist sistern any term that refers to her as remotely womanly is disrespectful.
The title "ex-senator" should have been applied long ago. Along with Feinstein…..
No wonder CA is a disaster with those 2 representing it.
Put succinctly, ma'am stand for a lady, Barbara Boxer is no lady, even if she says so herself.
As a Californian, this woman is a total moron. It's disgraceful that this piece of garbage takes up a Senate seat. She is an arrogant fool.
Ahh, but she is a rich moron. Or is the other senator the rich moron? Never mind, these are the only rich people you will soon have left in California.
Big difference between a representative democracy with rule of law and a coup-prone imperial power, wouldn't you say?
My CC in Navy Basic, BM1 Destura would say" MA'AM, chew pessin me ouf!"
remember SNL Dan's response to Jane? "Boxer, (Jane) you dumb slut" Slut and Dumb really fits here!
My RDC (Recruit Division Commander, that's what they are called now in Navy Basic) would have told her call him Senior Chief or Petty Officer (depends if it was OSCS Wright, MM1 Wilson or OS2 Butler) and that "he works for a living." I think you know what I mean.
I think the Russians are still communists. I say this because of Putin. To paraphrase an old saying "You can take the former Colonel out of the KGB, but you cannot take the KGB out of the former Colonel." And to RichWargo, spot on! I could not have said it better myself.
Thanks a lot California for electing and re-electing the likes of Boxer and her evil alter-ego Pelosi. Other than Massachusetts no other state comes close in supplying liberal anti-American nut jobs to the halls of Congress. What air do you people breathe that is so distinctly different from the rest of us? There is not a low enough word in the English language to describe this Major Lefty and her sense of entitlement. Unless you start calling her Pelosi, Frank, Waxman, Kennedy, Kerry and so on. There all interchangeable to a great extent.
The line is, "Jane, you ignorant slut." … not "dumb"
Same situation here. All our roots are in California so its incredibly hard to pick up and move to another state where you have no friends, no network, no family.
If you read this comment thread, you understand just why Republicans are so unpopular. Take the worst Sarah Palin ever got, multiply it a hundredfold, and it still pales in comparison to the unhinged misogynistic swill which the lunatic fringers (that is to say, mainstream Republicans) are vomiting out on this thread. Liberals will be reposting your comments for years as "exhibit A" in the "Republicans are vile sexist hypocrites " display. And it's _exactly_ the same crowd doing it who go batsheet insane whenever Governor Palin gets a word of criticism. How on earth do you hypocrites live with yourselves?
When I first saw the clip, my first thought was that her response came from the part of her leftist femi-Nazi androgynous world view where it's un-PC to address anyone by gender. Chairperson instead of chairman or chairwoman; Congressperson instead of Congressman or Congresswoman; Senator instead of Sir or Ma'am.
Same. I'm ashamed of how my state of California votes in almost every election, including the massive spending they keep giving a green light to. Where do Californians think the money is going to come from for ANY public works project? Yet they continually vote to spend more and more. Is there some pot of gold they're not telling me about?
She is an embarrassment to California, the militiary, and the Senate.
Vote Chuck DeVore!!!
What a self-important gasbag. I think Ma'am was way too respectful for this old skank. Wasn't her daughter once married to Clinton's brother? Figures.
So Boxer is from California. Come on California, you can do better than that !!!
Do like I did, be the first, only one family member left in Ca. She is moving as soon as she retires.
Chuck, you're running against Babs? Good luck! If you win that race, I'd say you'd have worked harder than she ever has!
Being called "Ma´am" is proper and good enough for the Queen of England. It should suffice for a weasely Senator.
Period.
indeed.. no happy endings!
actually, something I forgot.. that I just saw Ann Coulter mntion on the GB show…
Military personnel ALWAYS addressed their superiors as "ma'am" or "Sir"
They always addressed their subordinates by their rank…
So I guess Senator Boxer actually ranked herself below the General?
But there's a big difference between Governor Palin and Senator Boxer. Palin has real class, not the fake stuff that Boxer has. And it wasn't Boxer's hard work so much as her tons of money that got her that seat in the Senate. Boxer is an odious person. How should people respond to her bilious behavior?
"Perhaps it’s time for the Barbara Boxer to have a new title: “Ex-Senator.”
Wouldn't that be an excellent turn of events? I'm trying to understand why it is that so many female senators — or is it just the water in CA? — turn into such shrews. I doubt that Boxer had to work very hard to get her senate seat, but there's nothing like a good whine. And when did she become a blonde? The rat's-nest look was the perfect image, however, for her snippy, ignorant remark to the general.
Ma'am boxer is nothing short of a wicked b i t c h and a c u n t.
I know you are way too smart to be suprised be either her arrogance or her complete lack of resect for the military. She is as disgraceful as Nancy "I lie for a living" Pelosi. Is this really the best that California can do? I never mey somebody quite like these two individuals all the times I was stationed inCali. What a couple of shrews. We will be far better off when they are voted out and fade into obscurity.
ma'am, treason is an anagram of senator…this woman should be drop kicked into Mexico by a big military boot.
I guess she did. Not intentionally, but appropriately.
Like you, when you're active duty, your first name is your rank, last name is your own. Once you make it off active duty you're so used to being addressed as LTC or CPT that it takes some getting used to a change. Using 'sir' has worked for me – but I do give deference to those I served with you would still address me as CPT.
Boxer stole her line from "A FEW GOOD MEN"!
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