What Political Correctness Reveals About the Politically Correct
by Cam CannonJohn Nolte’s review of “Brüno,” a film I haven’t yet seen, tackles Sasha Baron Cohen’s previous film “Borat,” a film I have seen about twenty times. That being said, Nolte is dead-on in his appraisal of the film: it found favor with the left-wing elitists because it poked fun at us regular folk. But in praising “Borat,” they revealed something about themselves, something I’ve known to be true since the summer of 1994.
That was the best year for movies that I can recall. That summer alone we had “Forrest Gump,” “True Lies,” “Speed,” and everyone was eagerly awaiting the arrival of Cannes winner “Pulp Fiction.” And we also had “The Lion King.” I remember the critic for my campus newspaper, The Red & Black (Go Dawgs!), panned the film, noting that the “Circle of Life” song, sung by a gay man, was really about keeping groups of people, particularly minorities, in their place. I thought this was bizarre and brought it up with some of my classmates.
I was a drama major. Hellooooo! What was I thinking!
Turns out the movie was homophobic and racist. Scar, the villain, was clearly gay, I was told. I missed that. By missing it, i.e. not having an opinion on the sexual preference of a cartoon lion, I was also a homophobe. Huh? As for the charge of racism, the hyenas, famously voiced by Cheech Marin and Whoopi Goldberg, were stereotypes of blacks and Mexicans. But, as I pointed out, James Earl Jones, a black man, voiced the role of Mufasa. The response still floors me: Yes, but he wasn’t portrayed as a black person.
Did you catch that?
Because Mufasa’s not shucking and jiving, he’s not a black person. I can’t pretend to have called my friends on this; frankly, I was stunned. The PC mindset had led my friends to charge the film with racism, and in doing so they revealed themselves to be slaves to stereotypes. Racists? Probably not. But certainly not deserving of their pious attitude toward Uncle Walt and Company.
Which brings me back to “Borat.” I happen to agree with Christopher Hitchens, who notes that the film makes Americans look more tolerant than the left seems to believe. The sequence in a “black” Atlanta neighborhood doesn’t work as humor if the viewer doesn’t have some pre-conceived notions about black street culture. The elitists were falling all over themselves to point out the rodeo audience cheering Borat’s pro-Bush, pro-War on Terror speech–guess they didn’t notice the woman rolling her eyes. I bet there were more reactions like this…on the cutting room floor, of course.
The elitists’ favorite scene, though, was the one that made fun of them intolerant southerners. The one where Borat insulted the host, crapped in a bag, and, in a move that busted up the party, invited over a prostitute. To the elites, the fact that she was OBVIOUSLY a prostitute had NOTHING to do with her presence breaking up the party. You remember, she was black. And this crowd was clearly offended to be in the presence of a black woman.
I don’t think this is the case and the reaction reveals more about the elites than the scene itself reveals about the great unwashed southern masses. In the end, the Liberal elites had to interpret the movie in this way, if only to excuse themselves for embracing a movie with wall-to-wall juvenile poop and penis jokes. With “Brüno,” they’re taking the “Lion King” approach, embracing it less than they did “Borat” and pointing out the stereotypes. I can’t wait to see what it reveals about them.
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If you were from the South you would know that we are constantly the butt of the joke. The fact that almost all American music, many acclaimed writers, and our agriculture built and funded this nation means nothing to Yankees. We're "the South", said in the same voice as "the flyover states", with that smug little roll of the eyes.
Specifically re: racism, I find the whole thing ridiculous on its face. We Southerners actually live in a racially mixed environment. In many Southern towns, black people outnumber white people. Certainly there's racism from everybody, but the majority of people in the South of all races get along. And they do this while actually seeing and working with each other.
Compare that with the stereotypical Northern liberal, who generally works with mostly (if not all) white people, associates with white people, and lives in a white neighborhood, but always has an opinion on the South and its horrible racist ways.
The South will probably never be 'cool' to Yankees. But Yankees will never be cool to us, either.
If you were from the South you would know that we are constantly the butt of the joke. The fact that almost all American music, many acclaimed writers, and so forth came from the South or that our agriculture built and funded this nation means nothing to Yankees. We're "the South", said in the same voice as "the flyover states", with that smug little roll of the eyes.
Specifically re: racism, I find the whole thing ridiculous on its face. We Southerners actually live in a racially mixed environment. In many Southern towns, black people outnumber white people. Certainly there's racism from everybody, but the majority of people in the South of all races get along. And they do this while actually seeing and working with each other.
Compare that with the stereotypical Northern liberal, who generally works with mostly (if not all) white people, associates with white people, and lives in a white neighborhood, but always has an opinion on the South and its horrible racist ways.
The South will probably never be 'cool' to Yankees. But Yankees will never be cool to us, either.
… the hyenas, famously voiced by Cheech Marin and Whoopi Goldberg…
Hey.. my two favorite characters in the whole movie (they were absolutely hilarious every time)..
But the PC crowd can find anything "racist, homophobic, or sexist" in any movie they want… cause all things bad!
Having lived in the South all my life, I agree. but what strikes me as wierd is that, it seems to me, most race issues, riots and the like happen mostly on the West Coast. Can someone please explain that to me?
interstingly enough, we heard exactly the same feelings expressed by a South African friend of ours some years ago- they were widely castigated for apartheid but he said they got along famously, the whites were so heavily outnumbered in their own country that racial acceptance was an absolute… it was the communsist influences of the ANC that was the real conflict, not racial issues.
A good friend of ours, who's black, was transferred to Chicago (he's from TX). He HATES it. Says it's incredibly racist there and can't wait to get back to TX.
I'm from a major city in the North, had the same experience… the "tolerant" libs are the biggest racists in existence. If they viewed minority groups as truly equal to themselves, they wouldn't think "special programs" were needed to "help" them.
Or in the North. NYC isn't exactly known for its racial harmony.
Strongly agree AtheistCon, The street I live on is mixed but primarily made up of Black families. We all get along, have a neighborhood crime watch group. our kids play together and have sleep overs.Obama and McCain signs were in yards but never was there any vandalism or bad feelings. When I was in the Navy some of the most bigoted people I ever saw ( White and Black) were from the north.
Bless their hearts, they've traded in common sense for a received notion of how to live. Them politically correct folks have to seek out racist, homophobic, sexist, earth-warming and all manner of ills and blame it on others. It's the blaming they get off to. They get to be superior. They're also no damned fun and humorless. Unfortunately their ideas are expensive. Lucky for the rest of us, a lot of them aren't breeders.
Wow! I guess I am homophobic and racist too… because I got NONE of that from the Lion King… To me when people see something they precieve to be racist, sexist or homophobic I have to wonder what type of hatred they are suppressing inside of them… :/
The Only Racists in the South are Southern Democrats.
One of the most recent ones in the news happened in Ohio where a bunch of black kids terrorized a white family saying something to the effect that "this is a Black World"
Not saying that whites don't do it either… but I just don't see crap like that happening in Texas…
"The South will probably never be 'cool' to Yankmees. But Yankmees will never be cool to us, either"
Fixed it for ya
And the minorities
That's the only good thing about Liberalism, you don't make as many babies.
I'm from Arizona. The Four Corners states are more popularly known as the Middle of F__king Nowhere. (Actually, we're usually known as "Bumf__k, Egypt." Nebraska is technically the real Middle of F__king Nowhere.)
some one will bring up James Bird. And while that is horrid, it is the only one they can ever thing of for Texas. And didn't those guys get the death penalty?
If they viewed minority groups as truly equal to themselves, they wouldn't think "special programs" were needed to "help" them.
That's the problem. Secretly, liberals think that the minorities are not and never can be "equal" because The Man has had his thumb on them for the last five hundred years. The only way to be "fair" to such people, obviously, is to give them a head start in life over Whitey.
They got all worked up about the Starwars Episode 1, too. It was racist but was a good anti-Bush movie. They were so conflicted.
I'm a southerner, too. A few years back my husband's job took us to Chicago and Wisconsin for several months. I really enjoyed both places but it was really an eye-opener to me. The Wisconsin town we were staying in had maybe 3 black people in it. A nearby town was almost exactly the opposite – it had very few white people. It was mind-boggloing to me. These towns seemed to be completely segregated. If that had happened in my home state, we'd be on Oprah.
It's changed alot since NASCAR went more mainstream. 15 years ago if you told someone you were a NASCAR fan, they looked at you like you're dumb. If you told them you're a driver at the local short track, they looked at you like you're nuts. While parked at a gas station I had a woman come up to me and ask what posessed me to drive one of 'those' pointing to the race car I had on my trailer. I told her it was because I sucked at the ball and stick games.
I had to look him up… but I remember the event… actually I thought of that event after I submitted my response…
I don't know if the guys got the death penalty or not… but that act was not tolerated… I do know that… all across Texas people were condemning those men that commited that act…. :/
yeah but-
When NASCAR tried to bring it's game to Washington State the lefties and greenies came out of the woodwork and showed their true hateful stripes- some of the comments were really appalling- and the buzz is auto racing in general is on the 'hit list' for both consuming petrol and promoting 'competitive' sports…
Oh I've already seen the "the white family made it up as an excuse to try and imprison innocent black kids. black-on-white violence just doesn't happen" crowd surfacing.
IIRC, The guy who turned state's evidence against his buddies got life in prison. The other two are on death row.
PC? regardless of people want to admit it or not…. EVERYONE and I repeat EVERYONE is a little racist or a bigot…. in some form or another…… think about it for a second,,, ever call anyone a little chunky or may I say FAT…. or call a ASIAN something off color….. cmon, everyone even the BIGGEST liberal is a WEE bit of a racist or something along those lines…..
It's easy for liberal to deconstruct everything into whatever notion they want. And since I was taught by liberals, I know it too. Let's see… Suppose I make the claim that the Lion King was really a history of the War on Terror, as filtered by liberals: The "pride" of lions (obvious reference to rednecks) is ruled by a KING, who also forces his will upon every other animal on Earth (liberals). Scar, a reference to Saddam, tricks Simba (Bush) into visiting the Elephant Graveyard because of Simba's fear of Republicans losing power. There, hyenas (al Qaeda) meet Simba & Nala (neo-cons) and try to kill them before being saved by Mustafa (Cheney). This causes Scar to rattle sabres to provoke the hyenas into starting a wildebeast stampede (9/11). This causes Mustafa to die (go into a secret bunker) and leaves Simba alone in a distant desert (popularity plunges). His only company is Timon and Pumbaa (Donald Rumsfeld and Tony Blair) who sing Hakuna Matata, which is a psuedo-Hebrew song about not giving a damn. Then Simba returns to the pridelands and attacks Scar for no good reason, marrying Nala (freaking Neo-cons!) and they rule the world with an iron fist.
Political Correctness = Death
" I bet there were more reactions like this…on the cutting room floor, of course."
Your evidence being?
"The soft bigotry of low expectations." To quote the evil one himself, The Devil in disguise, George W. Bush.
And you gotta admit that Bush as Simba gives a whole new meaning to "I Just Can't Wait To Be King."
My evidence being? Are you serious? It's speculation, based on growing up around the kind of people that went to rodeos, and knowing that not all of them would cheer for such a speech.
So are you saying, then, that it's probable there is only one person in that crowd that felt Borat's speech deserved a roll of the eyes?
Yep, Bird's family complained on national television how horrible Bush was when running for President that he wouldn't pass hate crimes legislation in Texas. Whereas two of the guys got the death penalty and the third got life without parole. The only harsher punishment coulda been giving all three the death penalty.
Thats why the big eugenics supporters were the democrats – get rid of the "stock" the deemed inferior. And it was a specific minority group they wanted to do that to. You did hear the Ginsberg quote right?
AC, you are absolutely right. And if I am not mistaken the most recent episode of racial intolerance has just occurred in Pennsylvania which if I am not mistaken is north of the Mason Dixon line.
Very likely that more than one had the same eye-rolling reaction. But basing your speculation on your experience in rodeo audiences? Did you hear anyone booing the terror speech?
I wonder how your college friends would explain away the face that well-known liberals like Whoopi Goldberg participated in the making of The Lion King? Why could not she and Elton John and others see through all the racism, homophobia, etc., if they are so enlightened in their politics?
Does anybody remember how busing went over in the ‘70s in liberal bastion of Boston, like a fart in a spacesuit.
Could have killed them twice, I suppose.
"I say we stomp him! Then we tattoo him! Then we hang him…! And then we kill him!"
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Could have killed them twice, I suppose.
"I say we stomp him! Then we tattoo him! Then we hang him…! And then we kill him!"
No Jake, I think it's even worse than that. The only fair thing to do is to HOLD DOWN certain people to make everyone equal. Equality will be reached when you run out of money to contribute to the oppressed man's enrichment. By then, you should both be economically equal, and enslaved to the government. That's how it works.
Race is a leftist business opprotunity. Being black is a fulltime job for "race baiters" like Jesse "the shakedown artist" Jackson or Al "I love Micael Jackson" Sharpton, the leading proponents of raising hell, jumping up and down and doing nothing that leads to calming race relations and actual equality where problems truly exist. I see a WHITE family was attacked standing out side their home by a bunch of black "kids" proclaiming this is now a "black nation". Where is J. J. or Sharpton?
Did not hear booing, true.
The cheering does get less substantial as the speech wears on, though.
With booing, and more eye-rolling, there's no joke.
I to am a proud Southerner, and don’t give a flying fornication what the rest of the country thinks of the South. My only beef if we’re that screwed up, and backwards, why do they keep moving down here in droves, and bring their liberal ideas with them? Stay in your blue state utopias, just think of how much better it will be with you there.
Political correctness is boring, make fun of anybody or anything, everybody lighten up and laugh.
Why, "hell yeah!"
A few years back, when Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts were in the movie "The Mexican", I happened to bring it up in a conversation. One of my more liberal friends said that she would "never go to that movie." When I asked her why not, she said, "Because of that title. It's racist!"
Um….wow.
She couldn't see that the ONLY reason she thought it was a "racist title" was that when she heard it SHE immediately thought of all the stereotypes. Eventually, it made for a fun, and revealing, game that finally made my point:
"How about these titles. Are they racist? 'The American' "
"No."
"The Canadian?"
"No."
"The Italian?"
(beat)
"Kind of."
Exactly. The assumption is that minorities can't be pulled up, therefore non-minorities have to be pulled down.
And the titular "Mexican" is an antique gun. Wonder how she'd have taken that.
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You're wrong, AtheistCon, white Southerners are just as racist as their vicious, vile Ku Klux Klan ancestors who said that, if the South were to be integrated, why, there would ensue vast societal decay…that a general state of lawlessness, indecency, violence, especially toward women and the less powerful among us would be engendered…that the rates of drug addiction, alcohol dependence, divorce, unwed motherhood, etc. would rise to epidemic proportions…that the intrinsic value of hard work and industry would be diminished … that we would all look around us and despair…
Oh…wait…
Haha, you should have told her the title was referring to the name of a gun.
Heh well Mark – my point was to people who don't know the South – have never spent time there – the "South" is the "South" but there are many regions – The Gulf area of Mississippi is very different from, say, the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia.
Just like California I suppose – people think of California they think of Los Angeles – or San Francisco – but there are probably 4-5 very different regions within the state – the northern coast is very rural – the Central Valley – 400 miles long is very different in atmosphere from the coast…In fact there is an area of northern California that wanted to succeed from the state – I think the country – have to look it up – called Jefferson I think…
You can drive an hour out of San Diego up into the mountains to find a little town called Julian – there were times when I was in San Diego – typical 80 degree weather – in Julian an hour away it would be snowing…
Then there is Florida – that's a whole different animal – there are regions there where the population of the northeast just moved down – but around Lake Okeechobee you'd think you were in rural Alabama – or Mississippi
I discriminate, therefore, I am.
I never understood the rationale of a "hate" crime – isn't murder, by definition, a "hate" crime"?
Guns are racist.
Most of the area north of Orlando is "the south". Most of the area south of Orlando is actually more like "the north" due to the influx of retirees over the last 40+ years.
I'm still holding a grudge against the South for the Civil War
What does she call people from Mexico?
As a native Floridian, I couldn't agree with you more StanH.
Jefferson Davis said, "All we ask is to be left alone." If you've got a grudge, look in the mirror.
If you actually produced the parts that were edited and put them together and presented them to Paul_D, he would not change his position, IMHO.
I know what you mean. I'm still pissed about the French and Indian War, espcially in these difficult economic times.
more dumb-beating of the "political correctness" drum. Oh how y'all love to hate it, but please- is it a tad hypocritical?
don't see how? let me show you: Definite "political correctness". Just give me a definition. I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU.
Then… you will see how there's the same tug of war over language and words that the right does too. YES Virginia, there are left politicians and left politics, and there are right politicians and right politics. Oh and yes, there is left political correctness, and there is right political correctness.
You betchya.
oh, maybe you didn't see the electoral map but they all switched parties now. That's why the south is red.
Evidence? You know that's what happened. You edit out the parts that don't support your agenda. Ask Michael Moore.
I think it's only fair to call me a hypocrite if I employ "political correctness" myself; it's completely unfair to call me a hypocrite because some other party on the political right may have their own form of it.
So, show me where I'VE been "politically correct" in my postings here, and I'll fess up to being a hypocrite.
Probably so. I was expecting something like "Just South of our Borderans". Of course that could be construed as Just SOBs…
Which is the definition of Envy- one of the seven deadly sins. "You have it, I can't get it, so I'm going to take it away from you and we'll both be miserable together".
Sorry Old Tom. My bad. I didn't mean you personally. I meant everyone else, but not you.
(that's the kind of sarcasm I deal out when I see a response that doesn't quite actually respond to the point I was trying at.)
PeterPike, You have opened my eyes. Thank You
I think Randy Newman says it best in his song "Rednecks" in which he admits that Northern stereotypes of Southerners are all true and that we're all horrible racists who don't realize that the Northerners have freed blacks so…
"Yes he's free to be put in a cage
In Harlem in New York City
And he's free to be put in a cage on the South-Side of Chicago
And the West-Side
And he's free to be put in a cage in Hough in Cleveland
And he's free to be put in a cage in East St. Louis
And he's free to be put in a cage in Fillmore in San Francisco
And he's free to be put in a cage in Roxbury in Boston
They're gatherin' 'em up from miles around
Keepin' the n– down"
If you haven't heard the song it's well worth searching for on YouTube. I'd like it but given Newman's prolific use of a certain word that starts with the letter "N" I suspect some people would get bent out of shape.
okay, lets do an example:
first up:
"Political Correctness of the Left" (Also known as "traditional PC"):
CONSERVATIVE: "You black people need to get over it and take responsibility for your own future"
LIBERAL: "That's racist! You are bigot! How dare you!"
and now…
"Political Correctness of the Right":
LIBERAL: "Maybe we rushed into this war thing and we didn't have a good plan."
CONSERVATIVE: "That's unpatriotic! You don't support our troops! How dare you!"
you see what I mean? If you want to tell me that PC is bad because its weilded as a club to shut down honest debate- well I 100% agree.
Just don't tell me its a thing that's special to the left, cuz that's the real BS!
Politcal Correctness is Gay.
The definition of Political Correctness for the left is to not say it like it is. Give it a label that make "it" sound positive. Don't actually do anything about it. Just re-name it so you feel good about your denial of it's existance or to flat out deceive people into thinking it is something it isn't.
Example: Calling someone "fat". That is considered "Politically Correct". So let's call them "pleasantly plump" or "above average waistline", etc. This doesn't change the facts and if you are saying this to describe yourself, you are being deceptive. The truth is you are either fat or you are not. If you are not, then it is an untruth and you shouldn't worry about it. If it is true and you don't like it, do something about it. If you are fat and don't care, then there is no issue.
Bottom line, you can only be offended if you give people the power to offend you. Renaming everything that means the same thing doesn't resolve anything and makes communication that much harder when you don't know what is really being said.
lol.
The greatest fear of the African slaves that were within the Roman Empire [not including north Africa] was being sent back to barbarous Africa.
Many years ago when I was in college, I was an avid comic book reader and one of my favorite books was "Power Man and Iron Fist". It was a buddy book featuring the improbable pairing of an African-American ex-con from the streets and an insanely wealthy white man who had inherited his wealth and had grown up in a mystical Asian city. Writing the book was Jim Owsley, the first African-American to be a comic book editor.
Years later I was dumbfounded to learn that Owsley, now going by the name Christopher Priest, was constantly criticized by his liberal white co-workers for not writing Luke Cage, aka Power Man, the black ex-con from the streets, like a black man. The problem, they said, was that he talked too good, he was too eloquent. To be an authentic black man he needed to be angrier and use more slang and the like. I still have trouble imagining a bunch of white liberals standing around lecturing a black man on how blacks actually talk. I feel reasonably comfortable speculating that Owsley has spent more time around more blacks than all of the whites in his office combined. In the end he was reduced to slipping in little subversive bits like Cage thinking to himself, "I guess my angry black man act isn't working," to try and show the readers that Cage really didn't talk the way he was being forced to write the character. Unbelievable.
yeah, okay, I kind of get you, but there's a few things that your skipping over.
all of these special names that people are asking to be called… these terms (African American, Latino, Little People, Mentally Challenged, etc.) these terms aren't invented by "the left". There's no council on politically correct jargon okay? These terms originate BY THOSE PEOPLE THEMSELVES. If this is the aspect of PC that is getting you in a huff, well, then, shame on you. Simple human decency requires us to be respectful to one another on some basic level. If I meet a guy and he tells me he is a Navajo and I'm like "Whatever dude you are Indian"…well then that's pretty a$$holish isn't it?
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I don't psycho analyze why someone doesn't like to be called "fat". I put up with their sensitivities, or I frankly admit to myself that I don't care about their sensitivities. its a question of rudeness and politeness. What's the political part of it?
I suspect that if I were to take all of the people in America that qualify as "Obese" based on the AMA spec (and that would be a pretty big group, so to speak), and then I divided all of those men and women into those who don't care about being called "FAT" and those who are "OFFENDED"… I bet it would NOT fall out along clean conservative / liberal lines!!
No way, not for a million years. Now it may have a strong correlation between men and women…but thats another story.
A grudge? But, you (the north) won!! Why are you holding a grudge?
(Wow. Felt like I was talking to an Obamabot with this one….)
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since we're talking about PC, lets examine some stuff that the left deems highly polically incorrect. What do foks here think about this stuff?
As found over at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/...
…in which conservatives who post regularly at the site make several racist statements about the 11-year-old daughter of President Obama for wearing a t-shirt adorned with a peace symbol? Remarks included the following:
"We’re being represented by a family of ghe tto trash."
"Looks like a bunch of ghetto thugs. A stain on America."
"Looks like a typical street wh ore."
"What we now are sending the ghe tto over to represent us. and if so who the h ell is that flea bag who looks to be dragged from the trash dumpster."
CONTINUED:
"you could go down any ghetto right now and see exactly the same."
"could you imagine what world leaders must be thinking seeing this kind of street trash and that we paid for this kind of street ghetto trash to go over there"
"the world must be laughing like mad right now at that we have this kind of street trash in our white house."
"Wonder when she will have her first abortion."
"sad isn’t it that we now have ghetto street trash over there representing us in Europe."
"This disgusting display makes me more and more eager for the revolution.
"They make me sick…. The whole family… mammy, pappy, the free loadin’ mammy-in-law, the misguided chillin’, and especially ‘lil cuz… This is not the America I want representin’ my peeps."
Its 5:33 pm PST… and how long until these last two posts of mine are censored?
I'm holding out hope that they WON'T BE. Please lets have us some open discussion! PLEASE!
the South does NOT hold a monopoly on racism, that's for durn sure.
Ummm… suburban private swim club in…. PITTSBURG?! Yessir. Pittsburg.
Not only that, but there were those Dem PUMAS that for some misterious reason just couldn't accept Obama. Makes ya wonder a bit huh? There were a lot of them in Northern places too.
There are a lot of truly truly non-racist people among conservatives and Republicans, and there are definitely racists among the democrats, and any minority group you could name. Worlds just not so simple.
This Southern native (who lived in FL, AL, TN & GA) moved north to PA five years ago. Trust me when I say this. I've never seen so many Confederate flags and bumper stickers in one state. PA is full of racists. They're not very shy about it either. They hate Puerto Ricans (mostly called porch monkeys by the natives in my PA city) almost as much as the blacks.
The major difference between the North & South is that the middle class and upper class blacks live almost exclusively in Southern cities such as Atlanta (THE black mecca), Birmingham, Charlotte, etc. There are thriving black communities in most medium-size southern cities and big city suburbs are full of them. I live in a county in PA of 500,000 , with a minority population of about 20%, not too far from Philly. You could drive all day around here and find less than a handful of what most would consider middle class blacks.
I'll check out that song. Sounds like good stuff.
why? The South lost!
OBAMABOTS! LIBERALS IN DISGUISE. MESSIAHBOTS WAGE THERE BATTLE TO DESTROY THE EVIL FORCES OF…THE REPUBLICONS!
Obamabot: robot-like follower of Obama, especially one who is unable to tolerate any criticism of the object of one's affection even if it is warranted. Oh, and CgntvDssdnt? I think you meant "THEIR," not "THERE."
yes thanks for catching that. I've I'm going to be sued by Hasbro I should at least have proper grammar.
re: "robot-like follower of Obama, especially one who is unable to tolerate any criticism of the object of one's affection even if it is warranted"… on snap! REALLY!? I guess I didn't realize thats what it meant.
Here I am, silly overgrown Transformers fan, I completely mistook that.
ps. there's a bunch of PALINBOTS that still think she's running in 2012. They even think she has a chance!
Impressive.
OK-
Here's a working definition of "political correctness" for you (I can't pass up a double dog dare). Sorry for the late response, but I have to break for dinner every once in awhile.
"The employment or imposition of artificially coded language in an attempt to advance a political or social goal."
I just made that up, but I think it's not too bad.
Now, political correctness is, I believe, primarily a tool of the Left, but I'm sure you can find some anecdotal evidence to support its use on the Right.
But my original point stands: you can't accuse us collectively of "hypocrisy" for something that, say, Pat Robertson may have said.
LOL…Guns don't kill people, racists do.
You call that sarcasm? You're talking to the freaking Baryshnikov of sarcasm. Step up your game.
I believe they are called "Post Spanish."
Maybe Scar is asexual. Maybe he just doesn't care.
"you could go down any ghetto right now and see exactly the same."
Clearly, whoever said that hasn't driven around an affluent suburb lately… sheesh, it's a frickin' peace sign shirt. How the hell is that ghetto? Drive around a college. They're there, too, along with stupid Andy Warhol Marilyn Monroe style Che Guevara Ts. Really, if you're gonna be racist, at least make sense. Or wait…..
"Wonder when she will have her first abortion."
Now remember, Obama wouldn't want his little girls punished with babies. I think that statement is a reference to Obama's statement that (oops!) called unborn babies/fetuses/proto-people a punishment.
"This disgusting display makes me more and more eager for the revolution."
I too am disgusted by displays of hippieness. And with this year being the 40th anniversary of Woodstock, I'm sure we're in for a lot more…
I don't even know what to say about the last one. I guess the writer thought s/he was being cute/funny. I hope s/he trips and the ground punches him/her in the face. Kaaaaarma!
the only racists ANYWHERE are Democrats.
I agree with your view of the South. While I am not from the South (native Californian) my mother is and I have spent much time there – went to school at UVA…Then too I would say that there are different regions of the South with very different cultures. Certainly Mississippi is different from rural VA and I would say Northern VA isn't even southern
I believe the best example of northern liberal prejudice to southerners is their stereotypical treatment of NASCAR fans. I remember reading of some network news crew going among the NASCAR crowd and seeing verification of their beliefs – you know – typical MSM – "I have my conclusion; now let's verify it" mentality.
Only everyone they tried to interview in the crowd was tolerant.
I have found southerners of all races to be more tolerant, laid back than the north.
Hey, I live on Bumf__k Lake of Egypt. Does that count?
"…wall-to-wall juvenile poop and penis jokes. "
He said "peeenis". Whoop, whaahahahaha.
StanH…they're moving down here in droves, because they laid claim to the west coast, invaded New England, and other "oooh, how pretty" areas, bringing their elitism and "trendy values" , ushering in bad programs and higher taxes, ad nauseum. So, now that their utopias are falling into ruin, they realize they can sell their overpriced, taxed to the hilt properties, and buy even bigger and better in the south. Unfortunately, to them, the south is much more tolerant than they would like, sooooo, they insist on change. Nasty cycle.
I'm from the North and I hate all of you
Have a Nice Day!
(Just Kidding, though I am from the North, if Delaware counts)
Bad guy characters can NEVER be voices by ethnic minorities because all bad guys in life are racist, sexist, homophobic white males. Isn't that right? (sic)
Still maybe Sasha is trolling those that cheered him previously, and he's doing a remarkable job?
Yes, there is an element of etiquette involved with communication and relationships and today it seems to be sorely lacking but that is different than Political Correctness. I disagree that jargon is started by the people themselves. Jesse Jackson pushed if not started the term African American. The "African American" friends and acquantances I have prefer to be called "black". Most of the conservative writers I read use the term black. They usually use the term African American to get along with their liberal counterparts. So if conservative blacks want to be called blacks and the liberal African Americans want to be call African Americans, which do you use?
You use African American, because conservatives are more tolerant and are concerned with the context, not the labels. Identity politics are from the liberal spectrum. Its part of their rule book. Look into Saul Alinsky and Paul and Heather Booth with SDS.
Born and raised in Chicago. Left at 18 (USMC). Never came back except to visit (as short as possible, sorry Mom and Dad). I have lived in Southern Illinois for over twenty years now. HUGE difference from Nothern Illinois. The difference is illuminating. As long as I could get the parents out, they could use Chicago for ground zero (maybe his Royal Highness would be on a date night) for all I care about it. It would piss me off about the Bears but, sacrafices must be made. I'll never live anywhere North ever again.
Now you're dissing the Native Americans that were there before the Spanish arrived. This PC stuff is so complicated. Like do I call Charlize Theron or Teresa Heinz African American? They are from Africa. How about Vijay Singh? He's from Fiji? I'm from German heritage, am I suppose to be called European American? Sorry, American or Redneck are fine with me. (-:
the whole concept of racial 'set asides' is bigoted in nature; what this has become is a cottage industry for race hustlers like Jackson and Sharpton and a way to keep a reliable voting block together- in one place- so the left can stay inpower and force it's will on us.
It's really that simple.
To be fair, lad… most towns I've been in/around have had a similar demographic breakdown. (But ias you noted, it only gets "NOTED" in southern towns )
One of my collection of series of books, the RAMA series (although some of the basic philosophies in the book I didn't agree wtih), at one point had humans relocate on an alien ship… they make a point later of noticing that the 'city' broke itself down by a racial layout (Asians, Browns/Blacks, WASPs, and then one "mixed" group (mostly convicts, if I remember rightly)).
The previous "governor" of the ship complained that they should have tried forced relocation earlier to try to prevent the "eventual" chaos.
I'd have to go look up the entire conversation in the book, but it was something along the lines of "people settle where they were most comfortable", no matter where they were located… even if they were forced into a limited space..
All right, you're on! In 1988 the U.S. Supreme Court decided "Hustler Magazine v. Falwell." As we all know this case was initiated when Rev. Jerry Falwell sued Hustler for damages related to a graphic cartoon showing him, among other things, having incestuous sex with his mother in an outhouse. The Court properly held (8-0) that the 1st Amendment did not allow damage awards to "public figures" for emotional distress caused by media depictions. Everyone agreed that the cartoons were horrendous but Jerry Falwell was not, to say the least, a popular figure with the media and Larry Flynt was lionized as a champion of free speech. Fast forward to the years 2003 – 2008. On sites like the Daily Kos, MoveOn.org etc. then President Bush was depicted as, well, you name it. Imaginative and vitriolic scenarios depicting the death or sexual defenestration of Mr. Bush, Cheney etc. were part of the daily stock in trade. They are still posted on a regular basis.
Hey now..what you saying about us native Mississippians (okay, mostly native Mississippian), Bill? Dem's fighting words!! Muskets and Bayonets at Dawn!!!
Political Correctness (nee Cultural Marxism) needs to die a natural death…
Meant to make good people feel guilty and thus stifle debate, the stifling, urine-soaked blanket that is Political Correctness needs to be mocked- and then ignored. Having Al Sharpton call anyone a 'racist' because they resist deification of Michael Jackson is no longer incendiary- it's a snore. So, friends- feel free to express yourself honestly- respectfully as well- and ignore our various trolls and their epithets…
It's about time.
No Jake, I think it's even worse than that. The only fair thing to do is to HOLD DOWN certain people to make everyone equal at a lesser level. Equality will be reached when you run out of money to contribute to the oppressed man's enrichment. By then, you should both be economically equal, and enslaved to the government. That's how it works.
[Continued] During the period of time from 1983 (when the Hustler/Falwell cartoons appeared) to 2005 a sea change occurred in black America. The "urban culture" gained a status and acceptance it had never had before. Street slang, "gangsta" dress, rap music and "street cred" came to dominate the depiction of blacks in America. I honestly don't know how deep this is but it certainly dominates the media's depictions of blacks in the U.S. This twenty year period also saw the rise of "political correctness" when many words, phrases and entire belief systems have become subject to a crazy-quilt of speech codes and different forms of social repression. Political correctiness is a very selective phenomenon and it's writ does not run very strongly within the post-1980's African-American culture. As we know there is now a widely accepted belief that black can say things about blacks that are socially forbidden to non-blacks.
Race is a leftist business opprotunity. Being black is a fulltime job for "race baiters" like Jesse "the shakedown artist" Jackson or Al "I love Michael Jackson" Sharpton, the leading proponents of raising hell, jumping up and down and doing nothing that leads to calming race relations and achieveing actual equality where problems truly exist. I see a WHITE family was attacked standing out side their home by a bunch of black "kids" proclaiming this is now a "black nation". Where is J. J. or Sharpton?
My Southern suburban neighborhood was happily racially diviserified, and 13 years here had been blissful. We babysat each other's children, got the mail, rolled in garbage cans, took turns mowing the side lawns. Until I mistakenly wore my Palin shirt to our Kroger. Whispers became jeers, until one woman rallied to all "Who is gonna take this bitch out?". No one did, thank goodness. But, not one neighbor whose skin mattered not to me has spoken to me since, sans the neighbor that told me to stop mowing her side lawn. I never stopped doing neighborly things, even though I knew they were voting Obama. Racism has a new face.
As a die hard Southerner, born in ATL, GA, raised in AL, I have had so many people form massive preconcieved notions about me. I also and short, a woman, and have blonde hair. Oh, and a pro-life Conservative. Owning my own business and dealing w/people all over the country I initally get written off as stupid, (I have a pretty thick accent), and frequently people will ask to speak to "my boss." I have even had some men tell me that they would feel better if a man supervisor or superior of mine could tell them what I had just said. It's lovely, and I just adore the way I am treated like the receptionist (not that there's anything wrong with being a receptionist!) and also like I might be some man's lil plaything. Oh! Women do it too.
Margaret Sanger was the mother of Western Eugenics. She wanted to do away with those "inferior" heathen savages. And the left just LOVES her wonderful legacy-Planned Parenthood.
You are a genius, sir! I'd love to read your screenplay!
Evidently, being a native southerner, not homosexual, I was not equipped to see all of those horrible slights in either flick, either. As for "hate crimes," as someone said above, all crime against a person is a hate crime. Have you ever heard of a love mugging? Friendly rape? What utter bull shiite.
[Continued] What does all of this have to do with the tasteless and immature postings that you culled from Free Republic? Should they simply be dismissed as drivel (which they certainly are) or is there something else at work? I believe that expressions such as these are made primarily because they are forbidden. The people who post this nonsense probably do not believe in them any more than Larry Flynt really believed that Jerry Falwell had sex with his mother in an outhouse. (It is certainly no worse than the daily character assassinations that Mr. Bush was subject to from films, television and the aforementioned web sites.) By expressing their dissatisfaction with Mr. Obama in this way these posters are enjoying the frission of breaking a taboo; probably much in the same way that stand-up comics did from 2001-2008 when they went on stage and opened their acts with something like "Bush is a F_____g Moron." In their sophmoric own way these posters are simply enjoying the freedom granted to them by Larry Flynt.
Well I was born in the United States, so I consider myself a Native American.
Peter P, thank you for that. I truly did lol. You need to be writing for H'wood. They need help these days, and it's obvious you have a vivid imagination.
I don't care for how those phrases are worded, and think the one referring to a "mammy" totally inappropriate, but I know what those comments are in reference to. It was the pic of Malia Obama with the dude in the baggy pants out in the streets from the G8. Personally, I also thought they looked "ghetto." I don't know who that dude was, but as the daughter of a president, Miss Obama did not represent our country well in that pic. She could look hip w/o the too short shorts, the hippy tee, and the faux dreadlock hair. Yes, I know she is 11, but a cute blouse and skirt, and a little more tamed hairdo would have shown a more dignified and proper respect. I also think picking random comments off of blogs will find you anything.
The problem is, it won't die a natural death. PC is nothing less than Marxism. Marxism never dies a natural death.
P.C. needs to be excised like a cancer.
Even though Ben Stiller already made fun of International male models (Zoolander)- I thought Bruno looked funny in some commercials…then I found out the funny parts would be "on the cutting room floor." The political fix being made, it is better for us not to give them any money.
Excellent point. Marxism is really all about jealousy and envy. Marxists are the modern day version of Genghis Khan's barbarians. They roar down upon civilization armed with lawsuits, picket signs and press conferences, to rape and pillage everything in their path.
Its PITTSBURGH!!!! Didja get that? We fought the Federal Government for decades to keep our H and not be spelled like all the other "Pittsburgs"in the country (TN and KS) Look that one up sometime.
I may be teacher in texas but I am a PittsburgHer till the first shovel of dirt hits my face!
She would no doubt reply: "Whatever they want me to call them."
At which point a voice sails in from the front yard. "Ay jue, just call us Mexicanos and get it OVER with, for Cry'sakes… So you wan'me do the edging too, Senora, or just pull the weeds?"
That was ALMOST flawless! Just one thing: Simba's father is named Mufasa, not Mustafa.
Other than that, dang. We could have a field day with other Disney movies.
Baron Cohen is not a Northerner – he's not even an American. So let's not turn this into a North vs. South thing.
That said, I am aware that the South is often the butt of the joke in our liberal-dominated media.
You are a rare bird! My cousin lives in Vero Beach; can't believe how many Northeasterners there are there
And if anyone who knows history in the US (increasingly rare from the schools) there was/is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting a state from leaving – the US – before the Civil War, was a confederation of states – after the War the United States was spoken in the singular.
This has been some stimulating conversations. My definition of "political correctness" is to hold a political believe that is agreeable to the surrounding body and any view to the contrary is discouraged from that body. The latter section is critical as any group holds an opinion on whatever but to discourage discussion on any contrary views is purely from the left. Political Correctness started on college campuses where it thrives to this day.
Oh crap, I had written a lengthy response to this – was trying to look up "CntyDssnt"'s spelling and when I come back 3/4 of my yet to be submitted post is missing.
Anyway in summary Julie was spot on on Northern discrimination; the Civil War was not fought over slavery and technically the Civil War wasn't even a Civil War.
I guess I will have to colpy when leaving the current web page from now on or risk losing it…
Time for bed…
Please, please, please let the yankees keep their opinions of Southerners intact. We have too da–ed many of them down here already. The whitest, most racist town i ever lived in was in Michigan. I'm delighted to be back in Alabama. Yep we still have some race problems here but darn it they're out in the open and we are addressing them. So we certainly don't need nay more yankees teaching us how to solve our problems.
Too many people waste too much time looking for something to complain about that will afirm their devotion to political correctness. Anything anyone says that mentions anything about another race, or where something may have come from is obviously a raciest, which is just a lot of liberal BS. I am sick and tired of this sort of useless PC babble we have been subjected to for the last decade or so. Bah Humbug to all PC'ers.
Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Michael Jackson all have made racist comments, and they did not get villified for it. The reason? Quite simple actually: liberals only show anger against people that they do not feel intimidated by. Racist blacks, radical Muslims, or real Nazis have nothing to fear from liberals. Liberals: the ultimate enablers of evil.
The incident you are talking about was in Philadelphia not Pittsburgh. Philadelphia by the way is the most liberal part of the state of PA.
I actually remember Martha Stewart saying that Borat should inspire you to become your own internal thought police.
" Cognitive dissident"-you truly cause such dissonance. I don't think even you know what you are saying-the left couldn't survive without such arrogant mental flimsiness and confusion as yours. And if there was no "definite" pc-ness there would be no Borat. Duh.
As for Borat and now Bruno-I love to see pc lampooned-no matter the motives. And being a paleo, rather than neo con, the "war of terror" was apt and hilarious.
And please, the targets of Cohen are ordinary?! Do you reside in a mental hospital or a circus?
Actually, neither one of those is an example of political correctness. It's just a couple of people having an argument.
Political correctness would be if I were to refer to you as "intellectually challenged".
Now THAT'S sarcasm.
Cam,
Although I'm a proud Gamecock, it's good to see a fellow SEC brother doing well. Great post.
BTW, my sister and her husband are UGA grads.
Agreed, my type is rare. And would you believe I'm also married to a native Floridian….a fourth-generation-in-this-county native? My parents moved to FL two years before I was born (from SC, so my southern pedigree still stands). I grew up in an small town, very rural, surrounded by cattle farms; tree farms and watermelon, peanut and tobacco fields. And yet, despite the expectations of the elitists, I am fairly well-educated and make a very decent living. Can't tell you how much I enjoy refuting their stereotypes!
Jamey, thanks for that post. Got me to thinking. Florida struggles financially as a state. It shouldn't, based on the farming industry alone. Then there's the whole tourist thing. So, I now have two questions I'm going to attempt to research:
1. How many of our state leaders, past (40 or so years) and present, are non-native (and how many laws were sponsored by and passed by primarily non-native representatives)?
2. How has our (Florida's) financial picture changed over the years with the influx of northern (non-native) residents over the past 40 or so years (particularly the financial strain on the Medicaid system)?
Personally I don't think it's fair that Gays get to use Gay as "their" politically correct word. The original meaning of gay was adorable and I would love to be able to use it at will without offending someone as I surely would if I said:
"That pink wallpaper is quite gay, wouldn't you say?"
I to am a son of the South a native Georgian going back to our countries colonial beginnings, as is my wife, we to are a rarity in our home as well.
My political correctness pet peeve is how the verifiable color "black" has become politicized. Black humor, Film Noir, Dark comedy, Black Sunday, the Dark side, etc,etc.
There are people who actually are so sensitive that any use of the word black somehow points to skin color. Huh? Black is an actual color (or lack of color if you want to get technical) on the color spectrum. The color spectrum being an array of all the colors in a prism. Black representing the lack of color/light.
Okay, this has nothing to do with skin color–the darkest skin color actually being really dark brown not, technically, black.
The use of the word "black" "dark" "shadow" implying something potentially sinister because it is outside the light and, therefore, our clear view. Any person who has lived can conjure up the feelings associated with being alone on a dark night–the fear associated with it, etc..there is a psychology behind it that has nothing to do with skin color.
Yet, political correctness would have us believe that using the word 'black" in this way is somehow down to white racism or whatever. I have honestly heard this argument on several occasions. That is political correctness gone overboard…
grew up in New Jersey (and left as soon as I realized you could), lived in the SF Bay Area for 20 years, then the Sierras outside Yosemite, and then 8 years in Alabama, now 10 years in Oregon, I have to agree with you; Northerners and Westerners are quite racist in their attitudes and actions. Oh wait, that's mostly white liberals who are racist in their beliefs. I've always found it amusing to listen to people whose party affiliation is that of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow talk down to Republicans and accuse them of innate racism.
Obviously you were never over at the daily Kos or HuffPo during he Bush Administration or you would understand that people say stupid stuff to get attention of the 'nets from time to time. We call them 'trolls'.
Good discussion you have going, Cgntv…
Political correctness is haterosexual.
Heterosexuals have oppressed gay people for thousands of years. All systematic forms of discrimination are rooted in heterosexuality. Heterosexuals are outsiders with prejudices to homosexuality. They are not capable of knowing what is anti-gay. Bruno only serves to validate heterosexuals wrong and bigoted prejudices of gay men.
Nola, you point out the controlling nature of heterosexuals. Gay people decide who they are, not an outsider with prejudices like you.
The fact is all forms of systematic discrimination are born out of heterosexuality. Heterosexuals have zero claim on discrimination since they started it all.
Exactly the point I was trying to make but failed to be as efficient as you were. All of the spending programs passed by this administration should be called "Paying back my campaign donors'" packages. But that wouldn't fly so they name it something that anyone that isn't paying attention think are a good thing from the title, i.e. Healthcare Reform, Community Restoration Act, Fairness Doctrine. Who doesn't want reform or restoration or fairness?
This has been some stimulating conversations. My definition of "political correctness" is to hold a political belief that is agreeable to the surrounding body and any view to the contrary is discouraged from that body. The latter section is critical as any group holds an opinion on whatever but to discourage discussion on any contrary views is purely from the left. Political Correctness started on college campuses where it thrives to this day.
Oh crap, I had written a lengthy response to this – was trying to look up "CntyDssnt"'s spelling and when I come back 3/4 of my yet to be submitted post is missing.
Anyway in summary Julie was spot on on Northern discrimination; the Civil War was not fought over slavery and technically the Civil War wasn't even a Civil War.
I guess I will have to copy when leaving the current web page from now on or risk losing it…
Time for bed…
Indeed, as do I. Third generation as if that matters. Some would say that doesn't apply to our current Commander and Chief but I'm not wasting any energy on that.
Well in a way they were kind to you because you can see them as they always were but hidden…Amazes me how the left is so hostile to Palin – my theory is that she is all that they are suppose to champion but "darn it" the wrong politics!
What are you talking about? No, seriously. I honestly cannot understand what your point is. Please clarify.
Another question: are you for real or are you a spoof?
very true. At some point in time the real 360 degree story of the slave trade will be told without the filter of political correctness…
thanks to people like you the worm is starting to turn- which is why they are so determined to control the dialectic. Too late…
The rationale is it gives minorities special status. I have yet to note anything done to whites by non-whites being prosecuted as a hate crime, nor done to straight people by gays far as that goes. Of course I do not read all the news, if anyone has an example then feel free to post it.
I disliked the movie for being a justification for apartheid. The two groups cannot live together, the one would just ruin everything for both, what is best is when the stronger and smarter group dominates the other, which is proper as it is the natural order of things. Note that is not justification for slavery as the lions had no use for the hyenas, who were simply worthless.
I loathed the movie for its "meat is murder" slant. A top-of-the-chain predator, who can eat, what, a hundred pounds of meat at once, will be satisfied and grow up strong and healthy on grubs? WTF? If he actually did grow up and accept what it was to be a lion, he would have eaten the warthog and had the meerkat for a snack.
Because it was a movie raising awareness of and glorifying AFRICA, which trumps such petty concerns about how the content may be perceived.
The hefty paychecks also helped.
Exactly.
As in my example above, the term "intellectually challenged" is artificially coded language specifically engineered to change my perceptions about retards.
"Political correctness" is the manipulation of language with an agenda behind it. And it's used mainly by leftist ideologues who want to make society a better place by changing the way we think.
"CgntvDssnt" appears to see it as simply a position of advocacy for a particular political point of view.
40th anniversary of Woodstock? Oh great, there will be a big reunion event. Hope it is not too hot that day. Lots of ambulances present and some medevac helicopters on standby. On the upside it will be a good day for capitalism. There should be lots of people there selling Viagra pills.
Wait, was not that the guy in the sunglasses? By how close he was I thought he was Secret Service trying to blend in.
Central PA here, along the Susquehanna, born, raised, no plans of ever going elsewhere and no regrets. Maybe after my parents are dead, well…
Some perspective. Here the "local" channels come from two markets, Wilkes Barre-Scranton and Harrisburg-York. This is the local news.
Wilkes Barre-Scranton: Some crime, fires and accidents, weather, local events, human interest pieces, some world news and finally sports.
Harrisburg-York: One or more blacks stabbed/shot/robbed/raped/murdered one or more people. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat except it is a different minority. Repeat. Repeat. Oh wait, that time it was a white person. Somewhere in a big liberal area, usually minority, they need more money for something to help disadvantaged some group. Repeat. Repeat. And some world news, weather, and finally sports.
After awhile you get a two second delay. You see a black person, especially on the street at night, you tense up. Your brain kicks in, tells you not to think that way, then you relax. Somewhat. But you stay wary for awhile.
My mom was born in NY. She got her WAC training down south in the 1950's. She will gladly tell you how she was known as "the damn Yankee" and pulled stunts like calling for a cab, then telling the driver her black friends would be coming along. The driver had no choice if he did not want to lose his fare, although he might ask that they "keep down and out of sight." She was friendly with lots of people of color, which was not very appreciated at the time.
She likes watching the one Harrisburg-York station. A few months back I was driving her around, we were talking about how the property values were dropping, I was thinking about the economy of course. She noticed some people on the sidewalk, asked if it was because of all the blacks moving in.
Do you have the browser set to auto-fill forms? On mine I usually find the first paragraph of something I wrote previously will be in a new message box. If I reload a page with a message box open, it will come back up with the message box there but only the first paragraph.
Just about typical hypocrisy here. To No no and his ilk, I'm jabout as average a Southerner as you can be. White male raised in south Alabama, the product of a rural education with "ridiculous" notions about "God" and "family values." Dear me, I even VOLUNTEERED to join the Army.
Yet, having worked as a government contractor for years, I'm constantly amused by the enlightened liberal Northerners who relocate here (seems they have a little trouble finding work back home). Often I find them more than a little standoffish around their black co-workers.
And I'll never forget how one such PC warrior asked me if I were a member of the Klu Klux Klan. When I asked him why he thought I would join that particular group of hate-mongers, he replied, "But, you're white!" I then pointed out that I wasn't a bigot. You know, someone who makes up their mind about another's character by the color of their skin. Just like he just did.
Holy Crap, how old are you? What was it like to see the first airplane?
That's so provencial Steve. I personally get angry over the Battle of Agincourt constantly!
I gotta say, I read a lot of comments to a lot of articles from a lot of sites, and as everyone knows there is way too much nastiness out there from everyone. What an absolute shear delight it is to read comments from so many Southerners showing such innate and genteel good manners, not to mention humor, it's humbling. Geez, even when you people are being "firm" about us northerners you do so with great heart. The rest of the country should sit up and take note.
Does that river feed into that Lake – DeNial
If by the North you mean the Northern parts of the Cribbean and South America I would have to agree. The only true Yankee area of Florida is Boca Raton. Lauderdale is Haitian. The city tells us that more African Americans are moving there than any other city in America but those of who live there understand that these "black" people moving in all speak Creole. Don't understand why that truth is so politically incorrect that they can't admit it. Miami is Cuban of courrse but when Chavez took over there was a huge influx of Venezualans. There are also emigrants from all over the Carribean and South and Central America. The mexicans tend to move to Orlando because of the Agricultural work around Lake City. Also there are numerous immigrants from Russia and Slavic countries making their presence known.
Many of the Yankees that move there are only there for the winters. The joke is that in Miami they speack every language in the world except English. Despite its immigrant influence the GOP keeps a strong presence there much to the dismay of liberals. I think that is because Miami it truely cosmopolitan so it is impossible to pigeon hole them with identity politics.
If by the North you mean the Northern parts of the Caribbean and South America I would have to agree. The only true Yankee area of Florida is Boca Raton. Lauderdale is Haitian. The city tells us that more African Americans are moving there than any other city in America but those of who live there understand that these "black" people moving in all speak Creole. Don't understand why that truth is so politically incorrect that they can't admit it. Miami is Cuban of courrse but when Chavez took over there was a huge influx of Venezualans. There are also emigrants from all over the Carribean and South and Central America. The mexicans tend to move to Orlando because of the Agricultural work around Lake City. Also there are numerous immigrants from Russia and Slavic countries making their presence known.
Many of the Yankees that move there are only there for the winters. The joke is that in Miami they speack every language in the world except English. Despite its immigrant influence the GOP keeps a strong presence there much to the dismay of liberals. I think that is because Miami it truely cosmopolitan so it is impossible to pigeon hole them with identity politics.
Holly
The Movie and TV show explained it best. the line was
"In the North they never cared how far the Black man rose so long as he did not live close. In the south they did not care how close the Black man lived so long as he did not rise".
Southerners have always lived next door to Black people, white kids play with black kids while in the north they have always had segregated neighborhoods. Black Southerners and White Southerners don't go at it and riot because they live next to each other. That is not true in LA or Harlem. When I was in LA as a consultant I had to drive through Compton to get to work. I was warned to never leave the highway because white people were not welcome there by blacks in "their" neighborhood. I don't know of any Southern City where this is true. Maybe Atlanta but I am not familiar with that area. Even so, if true, it is because of liberals moving to the inner cities there making it more like the Northerners'.
You may be correct about the extreme southeast of FL (Miami, etc.) as I haven't been there in years (only through there on the way to the Keys). But my experience of Deerfield Beach, Orlando, Fort Myers, Tampa, St. Pete, Clearwater and Naples in recent times leads me to believe that MOST of the area south of Orlando is still Yankee-heavy in its population. While there may be an influx of people from other countries, the "retire to Florida" population is still very much alive and well.,
Now That's Good!
Made me laugh, kadaka.
Well thought, well said!
Racism comes more from the Left than the Right. Neo-antiSemitism is a Leftist cant, not conservative.
Obama would not be president without white votes. How many black votes did McCain get?
A little late to the game here, but I'll have a go anyway.
I don't think there is a central board that decides these things, but the societal renaming pressures come from a portion of the population that is almost entirely liberal. My most recent experience with this has come in the form of my volunteer work at one of the are MRDDs for my education certification. One of the groups I worked with was diagnosed with mental retardation. They were literally retarded in the medical sense of the word. I said something along the lines of "…and the retarded kids…." in a discussion in the mess hall with some of my classmates. I had my case jumped a thousand ways to Sunday by a group of people with Obama campaign pins/slogans all over their book bags for not using "mentally challenged". I LMAOd at the Obama Special Olympics one-liner that happened later because of this encounter. Makes me wish I still had the same lunch break as them when it happened so I could watch their brains implode trying to spin it, when they'd been so crass about their calling me out as a bigot for using medical terminology.
Ditto with anything about race. The only people who make a fuss about common use phrases that I've encountered are people that wear their liberalism on their lapel. Of the black people I know, I don't know a single one who calls themselves "African American" on anything other than forms that have that check box. They tend to call themselves "black", if anything at all. honestly, it usually doesn't come up unless some outside jackass starts it, usually a grievance mongerer like Sharpton is mentioned on the news or someone rags on us for asking a coworker -who happens to be black- if they want food if we happen to be going to Chick-Fil-A, Popeyes, or KFC; if we're going to Burger King, I guess it's okay to ask them if they want us to grab something for them.
I have yet to encounter someone, of any race, I know is conservative who makes a fuss about "African American" vs "black" until someone, who is often someone I know who is liberal, starts harping on them about it. It's one thing if someone's using slurs like n-, which should be universally condemned; but it's entirely another to browbeat someone else for being 'evil' just because that person isn't using the exact (usually long-winded and cumbersome) phrase you want them to. See my earlier example of the 'retarded kids' comment. Even telling these people that I was using their medical condition to identify the community I was working with to avoid talking about them by name (preserving their anonymity amongst outsiders, which is considered a big thing in teacher professionalism at my school) was no excuse for not using the 'politically correct' term for a wide range of motor and cognitive conditions that extend well beyond retardation, and would have covered several other groups which I was not working with.
This is a specific case, but it gets into a lot of what I find wrong with the politically correct terminology. As per your Navajo/Indian example; what SHOULD we use then? In my lifetime it's gone from Indian -> American Indian -> Native American -> Native Tribesmen/Indigenous American. When it changes that many times in 26 years, how intellectually honest can you be to expect everyone to keep up? Now there's talk of if we don't identify them by their specific nation, or even in some cases specific tribe or family grouping (clan?), that we are racist. So what do we say when we want to talk about the entire group of nations if everything that's been used before is evil and racist and will get us chastized to the point our ears fall off? If we have to go to the nation/tribe, then if we're talking broadly about white interaction with native groups, then we end up writing things like the old tomes where you have "Bill, son of Bjorn, brother of Svengol…" etc. for a page and a half before they even get to telling what this person or group did.
Not everyone is a cultural anthropologist. It gets old and tiresome that everyone's expected to behave as such under pain of public humiliation.
Not all Yankees are so so bad my friend, I was born and raised in Ohio, with strong family roots on the Union side, yet, both my grandmothers came from Kentucky. In the Air Force my best friends early on were from Georgia and South Carolina. I spent so much time with them, I was told I spoke southern when I came home on leave. Picking up idioms from each other,. phrases,. to them, I was that Northern boy, sometimes teased as that yankee,,. to me, they were just my friends.
I had much more in common with them, than I did with NY or East Coast guys, we spoke closer to the same way, and had no dislike for the "hicks" who weren't from the "right" town. I think fewer of us have a bad view of the south than you'd think, and the worst offenders just make it seem worse than it is.
Midwesteners and Southerners are much more alike than either of the coasts populations. Both ridiculed as hicks or backward, by people who often can't even pass a basic English course themselves. Who wouldn't know who Sam Adams was if they hadn't named a beer after him.
Ya, McCain got about twelve black votes nationwide. Even RINO's like Colin Powell, who owes much of his prominence to being black, got in line and voted for a fraudulent, unqualified and completely LAZY president. The Congress is running this country and he's just along for the ride. There must be an effort to turn the power of American J ewry AWAY from the leftist Democrats, at least for the next few election cycles.
I also can remember when the word, gay, had no sexual meaning whatsoever.
I flat out refuse to use the term, in that manner. I do now, and will continue, use the word homosexual!
Gay to me means: 1 a: happily excited : merry <in a gay mood> b: keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits <a bird's gay spring song>//I………..and in my opinion homosexuals do not fit the definition.
So sue me!
I used to live in Deerfield. The wealthier population are from the NY/NJ area. However, most of the working population there is now Brazillian. I know this because the Apartments I lived in became 50% Brazillian. Nice people for the most part. Naples and Fort Meyers are small and so won't affect voting demographics too much however Tampa and the western Florida transplants come down the I-75 corridor and tend to be from Ohio, Chicago and the Midwest. The New Englanders come down I-95 to get to Florida so populate the Eastern Coast. North of Titusville the people that relocate are younger with families and tend to lose the hard socialist edge of the New Englanders. People like no state income tax. The midwesterners tend to be more "individualistic" and so do not vote hardline leftist. Plus there is enough South Georgia influence from Gator and Seminole fans that Floridians have an appreciation for Southern culture.
I know Salem VA and the people. They are much too courteous and civilized to boo a lone foreigner, even if he starts to get nutty. It's this funny old-fashioned thing they call "manners."
I don't suppose they knew what to think when the guy went off the deep end, but I doubt that it occurred to any of them that the man was a fraud whose sole purpose was to make fun of them. That kind of mean-sprited pollution of hospitality may be normal or 'clever' to you, but to these Virginians it would be unthinkable.
Sorry Jamesb, I wish you were right. The Democrats give their conservatives political cover. My local Rep — a Dem who ran as a conservative in order to defeat an incumbent Republican (excellent rep, by the way) was allowed to vote AGAINST cap and trade so that when he comes back to campaign he can make that claim. They're smart that way. I'm sure Pelosi had enough votes in safe seats that she could give enough Dems in unsafe seats political cover. Repubs aren't so forgiving. They require doctrinaire and if, like Spector, they don't toe the total conservative line, the Repubs will run someone against the moderate. Dems don't seem to do that unless they have a moderate in a very left wing area (think Lieberman last time he ran).
My feeling is we need three parties in this country – left, right and in the middle and let the people have a real choice. What' is in the middle? Fiscally conservative, socially liberal.
""Political correctness" is the manipulation of language with an agenda behind it."
who came up with the term "Death tax"? Methinks there was a poltical agenda behind that manipulation of language.
if you do a brain scan of a raving, ranting, frothing, liberal homo-(messed up)-sexual…you will find-nothing
as far as the "retard" thing, well, don't you think that there would NEVER had been ANY objection to the use of that term, if it were not for the extensive and proliferate misuse and abuse of that same term? It was this abuse that forced the hand of those who strive for dignity! In this case, it seems to me, that it isn't anything inherent to the word "retard" itself… it is MAINLY (or only) the way the word becomes *used* by the rest of society. Which is up to all of us, not to those who officially try to dictate how we are supposed to use the words under the pretense of respect.
the liberal lawyers are lining up for that
what did they say about Palin and her children?
Oh yeah!….she is pimping them out-what does she expect?
So Obama is pimping his kids-what does he expect?
if it ok for demi-rat to make fun of a 2yr old……..why should an 11yr old be sacrosanct?
"why should an 11yr old be sacrosanct?"
by the way… I was reading the comment section of Breitbart the otherday. I believe the topic was concerning Affirmative Action. The logic that someone was using sounded something like "Two wrongs don't make a right".
I missed that Lion King discussion back in the day, Cam. Must not have been at that breakfast meeting…or I was thinking up my next actor for the Kevin Bacon game.
But there is no doubt we had our share of liberal theatre types around us…what did we expect? Just because it was UGA? (Shame about the GA Theater too, by the way.)
No doubt the PC police are out in force on this as they always are. Simply look at "hate crime" laws. I guess I always thought any crime involving bodily or verbal harm could be considered hate, regardless of who was on the receiving end.
It's great to see you writing here. I was surprised when I saw your picture…"Hey…I know that guy from college!" Great to see you still plugging along. Been reading this site since it started (hopped over from Nolte's Dirty Harry site) and the place definitely fills a void for the right-leaning of us out there that enjoy film and the arts…believe it or not, we do exist. It's even better to see one of the old gang making good.
Later,
Allen Hurd
I don't the the American — same religion as the Israelis (avoiding the filter here, guys) — will ever turn against the Democratic Party. I have a half – same religion as the Israelis – friend — a conservative –
and he is constantly amazed at how, even after the president has done all he's done to signal that he's pro Muslim and anti-Judaism, they still don't believe it.
Add in the antipathy most conservatives show for moderate Republicans (RINOS) and Independents and you have a permanent Conservative minority. It's counterproductive to bad mouth moderates and independents and then expect them to vote for you. The Democrats don't make that mistake obviously — they run conservative Democrats in conservative areas (Creigh Deeds in VA — McAulliff didn't have a chance here to be the GOP candidate but Deeds does) whereas Republicans chew off the legs of their own (McCain, Snowe, Schwarzennegger, etc, etc., etc., ) unless they toe the party line and are doctrinaire conservatives. Democrats tolerate more diversity in their party until AFTER the election.
i detest that many have decided- that any of the children of politicians are fair game for 'jokes', smears, or derision.
my comment was 'sarcasm',
directed towards those who call one child a 'potato', yet jump up and pillage a person commenting on another child's clothing (worn in a very public way, and picked by the parents).
they are hypocrites to the bone.
in my opinion all children should be "sacrosanct"!
Here's your definition: the term "politically correct" is a euphemism for "politically Left".
I first heard the term "political correctness" on the 80s TV show "thirtysomething". One of the single chick characters was describing the political views/activities of a favorable dating candidate as being "politically correct".
Her meaning was that he was politically right…but certainly not politically Right.
By definition, "politically correctness" is a leftist construct. Conservatives may invent their own comforting euphemisms, but political correctness is not one of them.
Now honor your Double Dog Dare and put yer tongue on the frozen flagpole, sonny.
(as I think to myself: who is this guy with that flammed up -48?!)
thank you – and others -for responding to my double dog dare. I agree that Poltical Correctness as a lable, has "thirtysomething" crowd origins. But the definition and critique of PC seems to vary.
* some say their beef is because of the ever-changing nature of "what we're supposed to call group X"
* some say their beef is because there exist taboo words that members of some group may use freely – but no one else better or watch out!
* and finally, some say their beef with PC is that its a form of thought-police.
I think the common thread with all of these is: PC seems to be one group trying to control language to their own political/cultural advantage and to the disadvantage of the other.
And based on this observation, my reaction is: So what then! IF the left does it, I'm not bothered because I can observe the right doing it too.
Which gets us back to one of my favorite themes: you guys are only whining, and you do it only when you are at the short end of that stick.
Hi
. I followed you over here because I like intelligent discussion…I just hope you're open minded as well.
I believe you're referring to their shock at Sotomayor's "Wise Latina" comment. That wasn't them being PC! That was them exposing hypocrisy. Imagine if someone were to say "Wise white man." If Sotomayor is all into PC (as most Liberals are) then how dare she make a comment like that!
And as for what you said above:
"Political Correctness of the Right":
LIBERAL: "Maybe we rushed into this war thing and we didn't have a good plan."
CONSERVATIVE: "That's unpatriotic! You don't support our troops! How dare you!"
You're deliberately censoring the Liberal's comment! They were vitriolic against the war and you know it. You portrayed them here as thoughtful and reasonable. If all they said was what you wrote above, it would never have inflamed to the level it did.
It's time that "moderate and conservative" Dems in more conservative areas of this country be held accoutable for the actual damage they are causing our country. I want ALL the so-called "conservative" Demorats to GO HOME (for a change, what? like D.C. is sooo nice this time of year? IT'S NOT, I've been there in July and August!) and EXPLAIN how "Cap and Trade" BENEFITS Jack and Jill Sixpack. There is NO RATIONAL way any DEMOCRAT can truthfully explain an attack on the working people of this country, it's a vote to please party leadership. I think it's time to purge the party of B.S.ers like Snowe, Collins and the gang of eight that supported "Cap and Trade". They are voting in their own best interests, let's see how well they fair as Democrats, like Specter. It's time to say "Bu-bye liars, bu-bye!"
thank you for the long post. I agree that its reasonable for some to find it tiresome to keep up with frequently changing "correct language". And I would defend with someone who blunders in their attempts to us "correct language" provided that its an honest mistake. I think this is fair.
on the other hand, I think that politeness dictates that we always do our best to respect others insofar as: They say they would like to be called X / a reasonable and genuine attempt to refer to them as X should be made. Again, not out of political correctness, but out of reasonable decency.
what's that I hear? A clarion call? It must be the Inaugural CD's Monday Morning Challenge!
Please find me one person anywhere on the internet that has argued that it is appropriate and acceptable for someone to make fun of Sarah Palin's 2 year old child & special condition. That's the challenge, and I welcome anyone to help us identify such wretched shameful behavior.
I think this is a difficult challenge. I don't think there are very many. I sure hope there aren't.
And at the very least, if you are able to find some, then I'd make the case to all of you that such people are an embarassment to the left as well as to us all. (In the same vein as those posts I presented from free republic the other day!)
Look how "PC" people like Rush and Newt got all of a sudden. They were all so indignant and high-minded against Sotomayor because she was so un-PC, per the new PC rules of the right.
Its the same crap. Sorry. Just sayin'.
Actually it comes from lawyers. We had a HR training session at work that was company mandated. The HR trainer said there was a law suit where someone prevailed because they were referred to as Oriental.
I asked how that word discriminative. I was told that some Oriental person felt it was so. I said who because I have never heard that word used derogatively and quite frankly it offended me that someone would state it was. I was told it is a law suit, so just don't say it. I said so what word do you use. He said Asian. I said that is ridiculous because Indian people live on the Asian continent and can be considered Asian. They are not Oriental. The HR guy got upset with me and told me it was now corporate policy and not open for discussion when he could no longer defend the ridiculous claim. To this day I refuse to say Asian. It is non-descriptive and meaningless and I will not let them redefine words to suit their idiotic notions. The word Oriental has always been a simple discriptive reference. Oriental/Occidental etc. and nothing more is meant by it.
Actually it comes from lawyers. We had a HR training session at work that was company mandated. The HR trainer said there was a law suit where someone prevailed because they were referred to as Oriental.
I asked how that word is discriminative. I was told that some Oriental person felt it was so. I said who because I have never heard that word used derogatively and quite frankly it offended me that someone would state it was. I was told it is a law suit, so just don't say it. I said so what word do you use. He said Asian. I said that is ridiculous because Indian people live on the Asian continent and can be considered Asian. They are not Oriental. The HR guy got upset with me and told me it was now corporate policy and not open for discussion when he could no longer defend the ridiculous claim. To this day I refuse to say Asian. It is non-descriptive and meaningless and I will not let them redefine words to suit their idiotic notions. The word Oriental has always been a simple discriptive reference. Oriental/Occidental etc. and nothing more is meant by it.
It should go
Nutcase with a sign blocking traffic trying to force everyone to take subversive literature:
The troops are baby killers and this war is evil and W should be assassinated.
Guy in Car trying to get hone from work: That's unpatriotic, get the heck out of the road the light is green!
Medai Matters guy with hidden mike: Hee Hee we got another Neocon making a nutjob comment, wait till the editing department gets this.
It should go
Nutcase with a sign blocking traffic trying to force everyone to take subversive literature:
The troops are baby killers and this war is evil and W should be assassinated.
Guy in Car trying to get hone from work: That's unpatriotic, get the heck out of the road the light is green!
Medai Matters guy with hidden mike recorder: Hee Hee we got another Neocon making a nutjob comment, wait till the editing department gets this.
That's a good call since for some reason Disney does not draw their animals let us just say "anatomically correct". Now I wonder what meaning liberals can glean from that.
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