What Happens Next on ‘Lost’?
by Ben ShapiroThe season finale of Lost demonstrates that it is, indeed, the best show in the history of television. More on that in a moment. But first, the recruiting pitch.
For those who don’t watch Lost, now is a perfect opportunity to start – register with Netflix and watch the series from the beginning. Watch the first four episodes. If you don’t like the show at that point, then dump out with the knowledge that you have given Lost a fair shake.
But I would bet that you will be intrigued by the show. Stick with it. Give it the time it deserves. And most of all, trust the writers. They are tremendously creative and unpredictable, which is what makes the show so fun.
Okay, back to the Season 5 finale. Spoiler alert – I’m going to discuss plot points and in doing so, give my own theory as to what is happening on the show.
Here’s the theory.
The finale opens with a cryptic scene between the long-invisible Jacob (played wonderfully by Mark Pellegrino) and a mysterious unnamed nemesis, wearing black (played by Deadwood’s Titus Welliver, and whom we shall call Nemesis). This is the most important scene in the series. They are sitting on the beach of the Island, waiting for the slaving ship the Black Rock to arrive. Jacob, Jesus-like, offers Nemesis some fish. Nemesis turns it down. He has come to watch the arrival of the Black Rock.
“You brought them here,” says Nemesis. “Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you?”
Jacob replies, “You are wrong.”
“Am I?” asks Nemesis. “They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.”
“It only ends once,” Jacob corrects. “Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
“Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?” asks Nemesis.
“Yes.”
“One of these days, sooner or later, I’m going to find a loophole, my friend.”
“Well when you do, I’ll be right here.”
This scene begs three questions. First, who are these guys? Second, what are they talking about? Third, why can’t Nemesis kill Jacob?
Jacob is clearly a Jesus-like figure. He travels around providing comfort and guidance to the pre-crash Flight 815 survivors. He is, according to Richard, the one who will save us all.
Jacob is a subscriber to the messianic/Hegelian worldview detested by Karl Popper, which suggests that mankind is on an upward journey toward perfection, and that all conflict and strife is a requisite part of that progression. Sooner or later, Jacob says, the perfect society will be created.
Jacob also has only one rule: he cannot interfere with the free choices of others. He mentions this rule to Hurley; he mentions this to Ben Linus.
This is the loophole Nemesis will eventually exploit – because Jacob cannot interfere with the free choices of others, he must submit to Ben Linus’ free decision to kill him, even though Ben has been manipulated by Nemesis in the body of Locke.
Nemesis is a subscriber to the Hobbesian theory of the universe – it’s a constant war of all against all. Life is nasty, brutish and short. Man is inherently corrupt and evil. And man will always be judged for his sins. Nemesis is also in control of the smoke monster, which is the guardian of the Island – later he will use that control in his revenge against Jacob.
What are Nemesis and Jacob arguing about? The Island is an Edenic place that can grant everlasting life and health (see Rose’s cancer and Locke’s paralysis). Nemesis believes that bringing mankind to the Island will destroy Eden – man will continue to kill and corrupt, and in doing so, man will debase Edenic purity. Jacob believes that mankind’s ascent toward perfection is necessary to perfect the Island – in order to create true Eden, mankind must embrace brotherhood in an Edenic setting.
Nemesis wants to kill Jacob in order to prevent the destruction of Eden — but he cannot do so lest he destroy Eden himself.
Throughout the series, we have been led to believe that Jacob was inhabiting a haunted cabin, that Jacob was issuing orders directly to Ben Linus. This was a red herring. Nemesis was actually inhabiting the cabin, pretending to be Jacob in order to corrupt Ben Linus’ view of Jacob. The purpose of this charade was to set up the penultimate scene of this season finale.
Using Locke, whom Nemesis has healed from gunshot wound and whom Nemesis (masquerading as Jacob) has touted as a “leader,” Nemesis has placed Ben Linus in a position to kill Jacob. In Locke’s false resurrection, Nemesis has created the perfect situation for turning Ben against Jacob – Locke has never had to make a sacrifice for the Island, Locke has never had to struggle with Jacob’s orders, and yet Locke is supposedly granted the gift not only of leadership but of full resurrection from the dead. When Nemesis, as Locke, turns to Ben and reminds him that he’s been given cancer, watched his daughter murdered, and been banished in service of a man he’s never met, his follow-up question is perfectly orchestrated: “Why the hell wouldn’t you want to kill Jacob?”
(Similarly, Nemesis, as the smoke monster, told Ben to follow Nemesis/Locke’s every order. It is no coincidence that when Ben goes to be judged by the monster, Locke disappears, purportedly to “find a rope.”)
Nemesis’ manipulation comes to fruition in Jacob’s murder. Nemesis, as Locke, appears with Ben in Jacob’s cave.
“Hello, Jacob,” says Nemesis/Locke.
“You found your loophole,” says Jacob.
“Indeed I did. And you have no idea what I’ve gone through to be here.”
“Have you two met before?” asks Ben.
“In a manner of speaking,” answers Nemesis/Locke. “Do what I asked you to do, Ben.”
“Benjamin, whatever he’s told you , I want you to understand one thing,” says Jacob, falling back on his rule – allegiance to free will. “You have a choice.”
“What choice?” says Ben.
“You can do what he asks, or you can go and leave us to discuss our issues.”
Ben, clearly coming unglued, launches into a speech that mirror’s mankind’s existential question to God: why do bad things happen to good people?
“Oh, so now, after all this time, you’ve decided to stop ignoring me. Thirty five years I lived on this island and all I ever heard was your name, over and over. Richard would bring me your instructions. All those slips of paper. All those lists. And I never questioned anything. I did as I was told. But when I dared to ask to see you myself, I was told, ‘You’ll have to wait. You have to be patient.’ But when he asked to see you, he gets marched straight up here as if he was Moses. So why him? What was it that was so wrong with me? What about me?”
Jacob shoots him down with the simple question, “What about you?” Jacob’s point is that Ben is merely a thread in the tapestry of history – why does he think he’s so important? Again, this is the Hegelian motivation emerging.
Ben’s response is to stab Jacob to death.
Before he dies, however, Jacob manages to tell Nemesis/Locke, “They’re coming.” Nemesis/Locke looks frightened, then kicks Jacob into the fire.
Who’s coming?
It seems that Jacob has outplayed Nemesis. It wasn’t just Nemesis who was using Locke – so was Jacob. Remember, Jacob revived Locke after his eight-story fall from a building; Jacob, through Richard, appointed Locke the leader. Jacob brought Locke to the Island. What was the point of that appointment in the first place?
The point of Locke’s appointment is that Locke is a redemptive leader. A nothing in the outside world, a victim of circumstance and bad judgment, Locke has been forgiven and lifted up by his association with the Island. His murder by Ben and subsequent imitation by Nemesis do not change the fact that Locke himself – not just his body – has a part to play in the future of the Island. The inanimate body of Locke will not remain inanimate for long – Jacob will demonstrate his true power over Nemesis by reviving the true Locke.
Meanwhile, back in the 1970s, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Juliet, Sayid, Hurley, Jin and Miles are busily trying to nuke the Island to prevent The Incident. The important part of this timeline isn’t the time travel narrative or the philosophical ponderings about the nature of time. The important part is that by time Juliet detonates the nuclear weapon, all of the survivors are together. Each one of them was handpicked by Jacob to be on Flight 815; each one was designated to be part of a new society that would make an Eden out of the Island. By the time Juliet detonates the nuclear weapon, five seasons of strife and struggle give way to total agreement on what needs to be done; varying motivations all lead to the same place. These survivors are united. They are the kernel of the new society envisaged by Jacob.
And they are coming.
With the detonation of the nuke, they will be catapulted forward in time to join the Jacob/Nemesis fray. They will be Jacob’s army against Nemesis. And Nemesis will be forced to break his own rule, attempting to recruit outside forces – Widmore, Eloise Hawking – to maintain his own survival.
The stage is set for the final battle.
One more question: why did Jacob die? Jacob chose to die. Jacob’s death, again echoing the New Testament, wipes away the sins of the survivors. Jacob is responsible for issuing many of the orders that resulted in evil; Jacob had to bring down a plane in order to put together his core group. With his death, the slate is wiped clean.
All this could be completely wrong, of course. The Lost writers are amazingly clever and inventive. But that’s why I love the show – you never know what’s coming next. I’d love to hear everyone else’s theories, too. Post them in the comments.








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I think you're on to something except for this bit:
Jacob has been giving orders to Richard who has been giving them to Ben (I think Richard figured out long ago that Ben lied about being able to see Jacob, but Jacob allowed the lie to continue for some unknown reason). I think Ben is a seriously flawed (if not outright sociopathic) individual, so he didn't need much prodding to kill Jacob. I also suspect Jacob knew his "what about you?" taunt would push Ben to kill him.
At any rate, talk about your cliffhanger of cliffhangers … jeez, the wait for the final season is going to seem like forever.
I've never seen such a great show in all of TV as "Lost."
The intriguing storylines, characters, mysteries, etc. Nothing better than this show on TV.
Echoing comments from the Rap/Crap stemwinder, some goodies.
First, after many people I know claiming Lost to be the Best Show of All Time, I Netflixed S1. I thought it was horrible on all levels. I remember reading Klosterman himself claiming this, and as I watched, I feared I'd stumbled upon the Chuck Kane of hype. I made it through five episodes before moving on with my life. I thought Lost was, well, crapola. The give it time canard is rarely the preamble to a payoff.
Second, there is no accounting for taste. I accept that many intelligent people are obsessed with Lost. Why this is , I don't know, the same reason I don't understand certain obsessions with Star Trek – aka, not my thing.
Third, a compliment is in order – Ben, I too enjoy considering TV and its adaptation of Western philosophy. The show that offered the most room for ample consideration this year, for me, was Dollhouse. Although I find/found Lost quite silly, good job on encapsulating why a thinking person enjoys it. As a Buffy dork, a slow clap is in order.
In suma, turns out some people can get a lot out of an artistic expression that others find to be dung. This, channeling our girl MS, is a good thing. Good piece, even for someone who doesn't like Lost.
Very in touch discussion. I can definitely see what might happen now in season 6. Like most people, we assume the blast will push forward and merge the times, and I have a feeling Locke will be truly resurrected to fight against the man in black.
It would certainly seem like Nemesis is in control of the smoke monster, since it has been confirmed that the monster takes the shape of humans known to the residents of the island, so it would seem that the smoke monster is the man in black.. That kind of flips the given lore of the monster somewhat, I think. It was pretty widely accepted that the Monster acted as a guardian, judging and terminating those unworthy. The man in black seems nothing short of evil, and the monster hasn't really appeared to be evil, given how he's occasionally interacted with people, allowing them to live, or showing them the light, as he did Locke.
I think the nemesis exhibits control, but is not the monster. It will be interesting to learn more about the origins of these two ancient demi-gods of the island, and hopefully Cuse and Lindelof have something solid in store for the viewers as to their past and purpose, and not simply allow people to wonder beyond the series finale.
In response to Zunfoldge, Ben was brought to the others and Jacob healed him but maybe since he was not originally an other, he was Nemisis' to use? Just a thought.
I've been waiting 5 years for Gilligan, The Skipper and the gang to make a cameo appearance. Are you listening Lost writers? Maybe throw in the Harlem Globetrotters into the mix?
I too think the smoke monster is Nemisis by what the first post said, but I am curious why the ash trail at the cabin was broken? Any thoughts out there?
Love that! Maybe Tattoo and Mr. Rourke will come out of the brush too!
Best show eva!
The fish Jacob was eating was a RED HERRING. Hmmmmm.
I've heard theories that the two at the beginning are: Enki and Enlil, Osiris and Seth or Jacob and Esau. There are theories about mirror matter, dark matter, that it is all a game with levels and on and on.
I rewatched the DVR to try to read Nemesis' lips and I believe the line was "WE brought them here."
Also, the argument can be made that Jacob isn't what he seems. When he visits in flashbacks he: prevents Kate from leaning a lesson about theft by having consequences, he gives Sawyer the pen to finish his revenge letter, he causes Saiyd's wife to die…and although I can't see anything wrong with congratulating Sun and Jin – you could say that ressurecting Locke wasn't the most altruistic thing – knowing what was ahead for him.
I can't wait until the last season. A definite box set purchase for the future.
Oh, and I don't thing Nemesis is toner monster (what we call it – heh) because he seemed genuinely surprised when Ben told him his dead daughter told him to listen to Locke. Nemesis knows history (he mentioned the door to the hatch and the first time Locke met Ben) but he doesn't understand human motivation (shown when he questioned Ben about why he hadn't yet told Richard he was going to kill Jacob – his attitude seemed amused and "above" humans, yet curious at to why they think or do what they do).
Very interesting read. Begs the question however about the Dharma Initiative. Where they brought to the island to destroy it, save it or harness it's power? Will be interesting to see if they truly answer who 'the others' really are. It's a frustratingly addictive show.
I agree that there are many Biblical references…I thought it was kool that you pointed out that John Locke might come back to lead and that he was kind of a nobody because that is in a way what happened with Moses. Ben called Locke (which was really Nemesis) Moses when yelling at Jacob.
Lots of fun religious symbolism. Yin and Yang, Dark and Light. All the main characters that I can think of off the top of my head have issues with or have killed their fathers (The Father). Eloise (The Mother) sacrificing Daniel (The Son). Ressurection.
Also… the latest flight was 316 which steps away from the standar numbers game 4-8-15-16-23-42-108. It does however further the latest theories on biblical references JOHN 316 being the most famous of bible verses
A beautiful motif but will it all end stupidly as "Life on Mars" did with Obama as the savior of mankind?
Lost is my favorite show; it's a shame there's only one season left.
Count me as another Lost fan. I agree that it seems to be a religious allegory. I don't think Nemesis is the smoke monster, but the smokey seems to be a shape shifter and I believe the ghosts we have seen were all the smoke monster. The big clue was when Mr. Eco died, his brother appeared before him then disappeared and the smoke monster replaced him.
When Ben saw his daughter that was just the smoke monster taking on a form. Nemesis could be the smoke monster, and doesn't trust humanity. Does not want its taint on its paradise. But there are some questions.
All the Egyptian motifs beg questions. What are they doing in the pacific? The big statue is of the Egyptian goddess Taweret, a fertility deity who is also the goddess of motherhood. You have to wonder why Jacob is so Egypt obsessed. His art is Egyptian, the temple is full of Egyptian art.
I do think Nemesis may be the one who sent Ben all the instructions, not Jacob, Hard to say though,. But I can see why Jacob didn't want to meet him. Ben is a very flawed person and the Others seem obsessed with being good and somehow evolved, even though a lot of them are flawed.
Another interesting clue is that they speak Latin and that is their secret language. I am wondering if Jacob isn't an Ancient Roman who brought some kind of secrets from teh Egyptians to the island thousands if years ago with Nemesis. They are immortals and are locked in some kind of struggle throughout all that time.
That's the best theory I've read yet. On the other hand, it seems like whenever you're certain you have the whole thing pegged, the writers take it into an entirely new direction – sometimes without bothering to answer any of the questions left hanging in a previous season. For instance, I still don't know what Hurley's girlfriend was doing at the mental hospital with him. And what's up with Jack's Dad appearing on the island? For that matter, what was up with Locke's Dad showing up? Was he actually the Nemesis? The way the writers have played loosey-goosey with the plot, I don't have much confidence that anything will be resolved. They'll probably leave it open for a movie.
This really makes a lot of sense, as Jacob lives inside of the statue. This is odd, howerver, as the Latin does not fit with the many Egyptian themed motifs. As for my theory on the Island, I believe that it is no less than the "lost" (haha, no pun intended) city of Atlantis.
There are many theories linking Atlantis and Egypt, such as the Sphynx and Pyramids.
One popular theory is that the survivors of the Atlantis flood made it to Egypt where they either inhabited, or improved their society.
My theory on why the Island is such a good candidate for Atlantis, is that it did not actually sink. It was moved.
Aware of an impending flood, the King (or Pharoe) of Atlantis (possibly Jacob, Richard, or "Nemisis") ordered all to leave, while he stay behind (the old captain goes down with his ship thing). After the citizens are sailing away, some 'holyman" (again, possibly Richard, Jacob or "Nemisis") tells the King of a way to save the island. He follows the man to the Temple (Remember, the well was not yet dug) and moves the Island. There you have it.
I'm surprised I didn't catch the Latin before. What Richard (or Ricardus) says is Ille qui nos omnes servabit, which means "The One Who Will Protect Us All". So the full state ment would be:
-"What Lies in the Shadow of the Statue?"
-"The One Who Will Protect Us All".
What? No mention of Sobek, the Egyptian crocodile god? "What lies in the shadow of the statue (of Sobek)?"
Sobek was not a proactive god, but one who undid evils and wrongs. That sounds an awful lot like Jacob as he appears to the various characters, usually after a disaster or, in Kate's case, undoing their wrong deeds. And to at least two of the characters he apologizes for not being there sooner.
By the way, for those of you Lostophiles that haven't found it, there's a great Lost wiki with all the Lost reference materials you'll ever need.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com
I thought Jacob's death would be more of a cliffhanger.
And now I'm stuck with a truckload of "Who Shot Jacob?" T-shirts.
Last time I try to figure out where the greatest show ever is headed.
if the giant statue is a fertility statue, does that mean since it is almost completely destroyed is that the reason woman can't have babies on the island.
two things that are bugging me that most people have forgotten.
1. what has happened to all the children, the ones that were taken. we have not seen them with the others.
2. walt- he was said to be" the key to it all" in season one. does that mean he is coming back or the writers are just going to forget about his character.
I just hope the real Locke does get revived. I keep remembering Jack telling Richard not to count John Locke out.
The Latin makes sense as Rome once conquered Egypt. That is why I think Jacob, which is an ancient name, may be from ancient times.
Thanks, I was going to look that up. That makes sense, as Jacob seems to be the one who looks ever everyone, as the last episode showed us. Next season should be really interesting.
Here's another thing I forgot to mention: Hurley's Guitar Case. Was given to him by Jacob, and we don't know what is in it. Hurley brought it to the island. I think it's Jacob's trump card. I think Jacob will not be dead once the timeline is changed. We'll see. But that guitar case probably plays a role in the final season.
Interesting…and could it be that "what lies in the shadow of the statue" is the body of Locke..and per Ben's theory the true Locke will be uplifted to maybe be "the one who will protect us all"?…hmmmm..also..Jacob was living inside the statue..technically the shawdow would have to be cast outside of the statue..not from within…
Gilligan’s Island is a classic. You can’t beat the theme song. Or Ginger’s body.
Didn't Jacob only contact Sayid and Hurley after they returned from the island? Do you think that's significant?
I don't think Locke/Nemesis (although I prefer Esau) is the smoke monster. He left to look for a rope because he didn't want to meet the smoke monster.
Why do you think it was Nemesis in the cabin the whole time? I must have missed something, because that's not clear to me.
Any ideas on "the loophole" and how it ties into Ben's "he changed the rules!" when Alex is killed?
Is there any significance to the reversal of black and white in the final "LOST" title card?
I have no answers, only questions.
And if you all like even MORE theories about this (and other episodes), make sure to search out the "theories" link near the bottom of each episode's page at the wiki. Takes you to another page where the fans of the show posit all possible permutations and plot twists, like maybe what Locke saw in an earlier episode was a WHITE smoke monster (Jacob…the black smoke monster of course being "Nemesis"), that we haven't seen yet.
UPDATE: link added for "fan theories" page:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident,_Par...
Here's the link to the Wiki "fan theories" page for this ep.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident,_Par...
Be careful if you're at work though…before you know it, you'll find a lot of time has gone by!
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
I found "Lost" during the first season…and it was great with fantastic potential…and then…it got ridiculous and I gladly "Lost" it. I do understand its guilty pleasure factor…but its sophistication requires suspensions of reality to the point that they rewrite the rules every other show.
Next Please!
Ginger my @ss…Mary Ann any day! Heh Heh.
I am intrigued by the moments in their lives when Jacob meets the characters. Kate and Sawyer when they are children, Hurley and Sayid after they leave the island, Jack and Locke after negative encounters with their fathers, and Jin and Sun at their wedding.
And what was up with the sudden reappearance of Rose and Bernard?
Great analysis and good comments.
My money is on Richard as the defining character. He's steady, never ages, never changes expression, seems not to influence the action, but is always there nudging the players toward their assigned roles.
IMO the references to biblical, historical or mythical characters are just to keep us interested and talking among ourselves because if not, the writers will have to be downright geniuses to be able to tie up all the loose strings into a coherent ending and not have the whole thing fizzle out like "The Sopranos."
Good catch. I didn't notice the change in the title card.
I believe that Jacob prevented Sayid from dying, as he would have been with his wife at the moment the car struck her otherwise. I wondered about preventing Kate from facing a consequence after being caught stealing, but we also know that Kate ultimately had killed her step father, because he was abusing her mother.. which I don't believe would have changed, had Kate received the reprimand from her mother for stealing the lunch box. In fact, Jacob's kindness might have had a beneficial effect. We've seen that despite Kate, having committed murder, she is basically a good and kind person who has sought to pay forward Jacob's kindness to her.
Jacob tells Hurley that he's not cursed, and perhaps what he's considered part of that curse (seeing the ghosts of his friends) is a good thing. At any rate, he might have lifted the fear that was crippling Hurley. He also told him that whether he returned to the island or not, it is his choice. We also see Hurley pay it forward, by helping to heal the pain Miles feels after growing up feeling that his father had abandoned him and his mother. We saw Jacob's influence on Sawyer, when as a child he's burdened by the knowledge of who was responsible for the death of his parents, Sawyer, despite ending up as a con man, committed to ultimately taking his revenge on the man responsible for their deaths, shows himself to be capable of heroic and noble acts.
I believe that Nemisis (Esau) was the one who spoke to Ben, growing up, Nemisis is also the voice of the Island that Locke hears. I'm wondering if it has also been Nemisis who has been directing the hands of the Others, and some in the Dharma Initiative. The entire set up with the shack doesn't seem to be the sort of thing the Jacob we got to meet in the finale would engage in. But we're stuck with the cliffhanger until next year.
You can see the entire series for free on abc.com. It's linked through hulu.com, that's how I found it. I'm going to start watching it now.
The thing that I noticed about this show is that it seems more like a real novel in how it lays out the story lines and how it develops it's characters. However, I've found myself frustrated on more than one occasion with the slowness with which some story arcs are resolved. I think they first showed that foot (of the statue) in season 2, and they're just now getting to it, for example.
I wonder if we're so used to "quick fix TV" that we aren't appreciating a real developed and layered storyline. I mean, how many times have we left a movie after reading the novel, and left disappointed, but understanding that a movie just can't compete with the original novel? Here's a real attempt (I believe) to actually do just that. Just think, it takes 6 years (seasons) to do an audio/visual version of a novel.
Richard is suspect of Locke even being leader material (as it turns out he should have been since Locke's ascension as leader was manipulated by Nemesis) Richard said he went to visit Locke three times as a child and never found anything particularly striking about him. Also, in Lostpedia, it says that the writers found a real case of a guy falling the furthest out of a building and surviving so, in light of that info, Locke probably wasn't brought back from the dead by Jacob maybe just back to consciousness.
Way back in the first season, the Losties stumbled across a cave containing two skeletons, and two stones—one black and one white. For a while I toyed with the idea that they were Jack and Locke (science vs. faith, both see everything in terms of black and white). Then I decided that they were a "couple," and wondered who they were: Rose and Bernard (black-white), Sun and Jin (yin-yang), or Sawyer and Juliet (opposites attract). But those all seemed too on-the-nose.
Now I'm thinking they're Jacob and "Esau."
This was a great piece, Ben. I'd like to suggest that you do a shorter version weekly when the final season starts. Just a few reactions and theories thrown out there after every episode. Then we can hash them out in the comments.
Oceanic Flt. 815: Genesis 8:15-16…
Then God said to Noah, "Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives. 17 Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you—the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground—so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number upon it."
Coinkidink?
I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation of Jacob. Sure, he prevented Sayid from getting hit by the car, but had no problem with Nadia meeting that fate. He also was pretty dismissive of Ben. Not such a nice guy if you ask me.
I'm still waiting for the scene where the survivors wander onto a golf course and realize they've been in Hawaii the whole time.
Your observation concerning the shortcomings of film to fully present the story line and develop the characters of a well written novel are right on. I have always much preferred reading the story prior to seeing the movie for obvious reasons. I have yet to have the “spoiler” draw back detract from the film. In fact more often than not the spoiler is the film itself for not living up to the expectations of the novel. Enjoy Lost or not I believe it demonstrates the wisdom in producing a tale sans the arbitrary time constraints normally place on film making. Imagine limiting books the 220 to 380 page range it would certainly diminish some of the better tales.
The use of the sequel and or prequel usually based on financial success has met with mixed success. I believe that often times it is the “we've strung gold” mentality rather than selecting a good story to begin with and then set out to tell the tale beginning to end, period. I seem to recall television embracing then abandoning this concept in the “mini series”. Roots, Shogun, The Thornbirds etc being a notable successes. I believe Lost demonstrates the viability of this method.
I understand the financial constraints but Lost is a case study that it can be done.
I'm with Guy Arthur Thomas. A few years back, everyone was talking about "Lost" so I rented the DVDs and watched the story from the beginning when the plane cracked up and deposited the characters on the Island. I kept up with it via TIVO until this season when I canceled the recordings. My impression of "Lost" was that the writers had the idea for about three seasons, then when the series continued to be popular, they were stretching to find story lines — none of which worked for me.
I think it was response to some minor fan backlash about what exactly happened to those characters. The last time we had seen them was during the flaming arrow attack on the beach by the others in 1954. Then nothing for the rest of the season.
They're certainly minor characters in the grand scheme of things, but enough time had been devoted to them that it would seem like a dis-service to just have them disappear with no explanation. I, for one, thought it was the perfect way to tie up the loose end of what happened to them while also having it be their potential last appearance on the show.
I'm pretty sure now that they're Rose and Bernard. They're all alone in the jungle together in the '70s and I highly doubt they'll be blown back to the present. I think they said the skeletons had been there about 30 years, and they were nicknamed Adam and Eve. So the timeline would fit, and it would be a fitting end to Rose and Bernard's story to say they were together till the end like that. I'm not even sure the writers will clearly show this, but I'm betting it's being heavily implied.
I hadn't remembered the "30 years" reference. Okay, sounds like Rose & Bernard.
Just wanted to clear some stuff up after reading through the comments.
First, the skeletons from season 1 are male and female, so that can't be Jacob and Nemesis. They wil certainly end up being 2 people we have met before though.
Secondly, the writers have had the mythology of the show planned out since season 1. Their only issue was not knowing how many seasons it had to last for. That is why they worked out a deal with ABC to have only 6 seasons, so that they could tell the story they wanted, with a beginning, middle and end. They've mentioned many times that the beginnig of Season 3 was where they felt like they were "stalling", but they certainly are not making everything up as they go along. There has always been a plan.
It's highly unlikely we will ever find out why Libby was in the mental institution, unfortunately.
Locke seemed surprised when Ben told him that the smoke monster took the form of his dead daughter and ordered him to obey Locke. That suggests that maybe the Nemesis isn't the smoke monster.
Re; the golf course; lol!
About Jacob being so indifferent about Nadia's accident, I wonder if it has something to do with that conversation Jacob has with "Nemesis" near the begining of the episode. Nemesis claims that it "always ends the same," with destruction and corruption, when people are brought to the Island. Jacob replies that it only ends once and anything before that is just progress.
Only ends once? Could it be that he's seen all this happen before and has been through it so many times that nothing surprises him now? I don't know, just wonderin'!
Well we now know what knocked down the big 3 toe statue…….The nuke going off, Of course.
Right. That’s why I had to come up with a new reason why Locke would disappear when Smokey was due to arrive. (I had thought they were both the same thing.) So—Nemesis didn’t want to meet the monster.
That wasn't a nuke explosion. They used the core of the bomb, which is just TNT or some other high explosive. Nukes have a core that is conventional explosive.
BTW: Something I forgot to mention that no one else has,. Jacob touched each person he met in the past. When he hands the pen to Sawyer, their fingers brused and they made a point of showing that. He touched everyone else. I think that's significant in some way.
Yes! I've been thinking the island is Atlantis for the last few weeks. From what I understand Atlantis was an Egyptian Island City with a bustling "international port". First written about by Plato. Thus it would have Egyptian architecture, but quite possibly much greek influence.
As you said – the "moving" of the Island would be the perfect explanation for it's historical "sinking".
Quite possibly the island is simultaneously the Garden of Eden (not so sure about that connection) with Jacob (as "God") looking to repopulate it with humans who can put aside "selfishness" and embrace goodness. Making Nemesis the "devil" character.
Atlantis was supposedly populate by the offspring of a human woman and Poseidon, correct? Making the inhabitants immortal – and the island was supposedly destroyed because these immortals become too corrupt. (another biblical parallel with the story of Noah's Ark)
Anyway – all interesting thoughts – I think we're finally getting somewhere with this story. It's got more layers than an onion.
A very entertaining and brave article, considering it makes a lot of predictions that will be proven right or wrong. Unfortunately, it misses several important elements, making its predictions less likely. The most important: missed element is why Ben only can kill Jacob, that is, why BEN in particular is the loophole. Everyone makes choices so according to the can't-violate-free-will theory, anyone could have killed Jacob at any time. No loophole needed.
So why Ben? Hint:: How was Ben changed to make him different and by whom? Remember?
"Raises" three questions.
Sorry to i8nterrupt the adulation…but I stopped watching Lost afer 5 seasons because of a simple problem: They seem incapable of moving the plot forward in a sensible way! I watch TV for entertainment. If it is supposed to be metaphysical, "real-world", shocking, blatantly religious, overly political or just plain poor taste…I will NOT watch it…I get enough of that crap in real life.
Lost has, unfortunately, remained TOO oblique, TOO mysterious and TOO illogical for TOO LONG!
I unfortunately am suffering from LOST FATIGUE!
I hope you all enjoy the rest of it withour me.
I'm betting that the two guys on the beach in the opening scene of the season finale are the two angels (cherubim) who were supposed to guard the entrance to the Garden of Eden (the island). One of them, Jacob, has broken the rules by admitting humans back into the Garden. The other wants to kill him because of it. Richard Alpert, he who never ages, probably ate fruit from the Tree of Life, which we'll find out grows somewhere on the island.
Boo. LOST jumped the shark this year by completely ignoring the lessons of cinematic history and obstinately engaging in classic "Terminator" timeline idiocy. I'll still watch; I'm too invested at this point. But like most long-running series, LOST will end up shedding 75% of what we thought was important and presenting a much tidier ending than they have actually created for themselves. and Kate and Jack can both die for all I care. No progression, just the same simpering, teary-eyed look of suffering from Jack, while Kate looks on with her "I refuse to be vulnerable though I don't understand my feelings" sneer. Ugh. Seriously, why can't the smoke monster kill them?
Actually, I think he did mess with Jin and Sun. Right after they said they would start trying to have a baby on their honeymoon, Jacob TOUCHES both of their arms as he congratulates them. I immediately took that to mean Jacob manipulated their reproductive abilities, just as he touched Lock and manipulated his body after the fall.
Exactly… why I agree with Ben that Lost is the best show in TV history. Personally, I watch exactly BECAUSE I want to suspend reality. The best entertainment involves exactly that, and is also why my wife and I cannot stomach anything that is so-called "reality television." This is especially ironic for us in that we did not watch Lost at all during seasons one and two because we mistakenly read the promos as being just another reality show in the mold of Survivor. When a friend turned us on to it, we quickly got DVDs and caught up. Nicole and I have been swept up in it ever since.
Also, I just enjoy the ride, not looking to speculate on the religious/mythological origins, although with all the Egyptian symbolism I saw, the Osiris/Seth allegory seems to be the most logical path to follow.
Now for the seven-plus months of waiting until the final season starts. Time to get the DVDs out. Rewatching seasons 1-6 better entertainment than most of the new pap put out by either movie studios or television.
Cheers,
Frank
I tried and gave up. Tried again and gave up again. Gave it a third go, still couldn't do it. It's just too much. Too many characters, too many subplots, too many mysteries and red herrings and signs and wonders in the heavenlies. And so slow, so painfully slow.
The biggest mess of all is this hash of allusions to philosophy and religion and science and literature. It seems like some pothead undergraduate ran all of his term papers through a shredder, and now the writers of this show are trying to tape them back together.
I like your theory, given that a seraphim is an angel of fire – smokey, Nemesis, etc.
"The season finale of Lost demonstrates that it is, indeed, the best show in the history of television."
This is, officially, the most hilarious thing I've ever read on this blog or any other. Hats off to you, sir, I dunno how you–or anyone else, for that matter–could ever top this.
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Because of the season finale, we know that Nemesis is the reason Jack's dad is "alive" on the island. I think Ben is the sole reason Locke's dad appeared — Ben is a charlatan who tries to appear like he has power. The Others had background on all of the survivors of 816, so he used that knowledge to his advantage. Because of the strike, Cuse and Lindolof have said they probably won't get to Libby (Hurley's girlfriend) — but that her backstory wasn't essential, just more support for whatever there whole point is.
Dear Gosh, I hope not.
Best show in TV history?
Never seen The Prisoner then have you?
I like what you've said here and agree with some of it, have problems with other parts of it.
First, I don't know that Locke will be reanimated. Terry O Quinn has stated that we've seen the last of Locke as we knew him and that old Locke, aka the body of Locke, would not return.
Second, you didn't touch on Frank Lapidus. What's he a candidate for?
Third, you seem to have forgotten that if Ben was being used by Jacob, so was Richard. Richard obviously knew that the man in the cabin wasn't Jacob. Otherwise, when he led Fake Locke and co. to Jacob, he would have taken them to the cabin. Not the Tawaret statue.
I do like your theories though. A lot of them have been speculated on the various Lost forums online. Especially the time catapult.
That being said, I don't know that neither Jacob nor Nemesis – as you call him (sure beats the insane fans that are dead set on calling him Esau) – will be the "good guy" so to speak. I don't think it's that black and white – even though that imagery has been put in place since S1.
Lost is a great show. And people complaining about it need to just shut up and find something else to watch. These idiots yammering about Lost on various message boards and this blogs just serves to show how moronic they are. Because, if you haven't like the show for a number of a seasons and you're STILL watching it, that just proves you a moron who has no concept of what a glutton is.
IAmMoi – O'Quinn said he thought that Locke was done, but he also said he doesn't get the first season 6 scripts until August, and we know that only Matthew Fox (among the actors) knows how the series will end. So I'd take that comment of his with a large grain of salt. He may think Locke is finished, but he really doesn't know.
What a truckload of junk. Worst show ever is a more realistic way to describe this BS.
I'll still take one.
My wife and I did about the exact same thing. We grabbed the first season DVD, got caught up and we liked it until the 4th season where my wife lost interest and my daughter and I still watch it. We both can't wait until the next season.
Except he actually waited until Sayid's wife started across the street before he got Sayid's attention. He could have stopped them both before they ever entered the street.
Lost is what I wanted "The Stand" by Stephen King to be. While it was several hours long, they still butchered it.
Great stuff coming out of this.
True, but perhaps they both were going to die, and Sayid being able to live long enough to do what he had to on the island was important, as he's going to die anyway. As has been repeated on the series, you aren't supposed to change what would impact the outcome.
Excellent catch, bkabat. That never even crossed my mind that it was immediately after they were asked that question.
Here's my theory: Hieroglyphs at Donkey Wheel which send turner to Tunisia= "Resurrection." Hieroglyphs on Ajira FL316 = "Underworld". Statue = Taweret, wife of God of the Underworld (3 possibilities here in Egyptian mythology). The island is not Eden. It's the Underworld, where souls go to be judged before entering heaven or hell.
But what is the Balance? Well, it's becoming more clear. Did you live your life with passion and purpose? Did you exercise your power of choice, and with free will were you able to rise above the destiny that fate lay in your way?
For each LOST survivor (it's becoming clear Jacob picked / touched all of them), that destiny appears to have begun with a father figure. And no one on the island has so far been able to over come it. In fact, all Losties' deaths have to-date been failures in that regard.
Will anyone rise above their fate and choose to live freely, without fighting their past? So far Locke has appeared the worst failure; dying as he lived as the perfect patsy. But there's still hope. Not in resurrection. After all, in the Underworld, dead is dead. And Locke sure ain't going back to the mainland. No, hope lies for Locke in the future. Because there are after all, two Lockes. We know the first story. We don't know the second. And while Locke may be fooled one time, don't ever tell Locke what he can't do.
We can't help but believe that the man of science and the man of faith still have a chance at redemption if their story threads can somehow come together. And that is how I believe the season will end; a convergence of both approaches by Locke and Jack, proving that in appreciating portions of the other regarding fathers, souls and science, they are able to overcome their pasts, unify the island, restore harmony midst chaos, and find redemption.
It only needs to end well once. And Jacob will be free to give up his physical body, and join his specter 'brother' (it is Nemesis that is the specter, not Jacob) to converge with the rest of the gods. It's an evolution for the gods as well. But free will is the key. After all, it's humanity's most divine gift.
Greatest show on TV, but even better if they did it 4 seasons. They stalled for awhile.
It did slow down in the third season, that is when the wife gave up. It picked up again and became very good, my daughter and I still watch it.
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