Rap Is Crap
by Ben ShapiroToday, Grammy-winning rapper T.I. (Total Imbecile? Thug Idiot?) was sentenced to 18 months behind bars for illegally owning machine guns and silencers. In the aftermath of his arrest, prosecutors informed T.I. that he could serve two decades in prison; he quickly agreed to 1000 hours of community service, touring around the U.S. talking to teens about the problems with drugs and gangs. MTV made a show about him called “T.I.’s Road to Redemption.” This from a guy who dealt drugs as a teen and got busted for coke in 1998.
Here’s the thing: no matter how many hours of community service T.I. does, it will never make up for the crap he puts into the minds of his listeners. His biggest hit is “Whatever You Like.” Here’s a sample lyric “Whatever You Like”: Late night sex so wet you’re so tight …Let me put this big boy in yo life / The thang get so wet, it hit so right.
Not surprisingly, T.I. has six children from three women. The kids, sadly, have been saddled with names out of the WTF Name Dictionary: Messiah Ya’Majesty (after Barack Obama, no doubt), Domani Uriah, Clifford “King,” Major Philand, Zonnique, and Deyjah (who will no doubt be labeled Vu sooner or later). When Clifford (T.I.’s namesake) is the luckiest kid in terms of names, you’ve got a problem.
Here’s a lyric from another T.I. song, “Big Things Poppin’“: I send ‘em missiles that’ll have you goin’ in your underwear / I tote a pair of 40’s on me so you better tone it down. Anybody surprised he got busted on a gun charge?
There are those out there who patronize the African-American community by praising rappers like T.I. Folks like John Kerry, who infamously stated, “I’m fascinated by Rap and Hip-Hop. I think there’s a lot of poetry in it. There’s a lot of anger, a lot of social energy in it. And I think you’d better listen to it pretty carefully, ’cause it’s important.” Folks like Barack Obama, who proclaims that many in the African-American community must accept more social responsibility, and simultaneously praises militant anti-Bush rappers like Ludacris as “great talents and great businessmen.”
Since nobody seems willing to state the obvious due to cultural sensitivity – after all, as Eric Holder says, we’re a nation of cowards on race — I’ll say it: rap isn’t music; rap culture is disgusting and degrading; rap creates racial stereotypes and revels in them.
First, rap isn’t music. Music has three elements: melody, harmony, and rhythm. Rap is all rhythm, very little melody, and virtually no harmony. Cultural relativists who say that Eminem is like Mozart make Barbara Boxer look like Einstein.
Second, rap culture is disgusting and degrading. Not every song, of course – the culture as a whole. It values the basest elements of human nature, from promiscuous sex to maltreatment of women to sickening violence. It’s no wonder that rappers have the life expectancies of fruit flies: by the time they’re 40 – if they hit 40 – there’s a good shot they’ll have shot somebody, been shot, been busted for hard core drugs, or acquired an STD (see this short list). The millions they earn from gullible white kids in the suburbs who just want to seem cool end up flushed down the drug/sex/fancy car toilet.
Third, rap culture creates racial stereotypes and revels in them. Many rappers (including Ice T, who now plays a cop on television) target the police for special hatred based on their alleged discriminatory tendencies. Meanwhile, rappers kill each other in gang rivalries … and then have movies made about them (see Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. – and T.I., who was involved in violent altercation with rapper Lil’ Flip and Ludacris’ manager Chaka Zulu). It provides ammunition to racists who wish to slander all black men as rap-loving violent misogynists, and it encourages ignorant and disadvantaged young black men to become rap-loving violent misogynists. Lovelle Mixon may have listened to late Beethoven string quartets when he wasn’t busy committing felonies, but somehow I doubt it.
Cultural diversity may be a wonderful thing, but rap isn’t. Liberals may call rap art, but they also call glazed poop art. They may praise rap as culturally enriching, but then again, they’re quick to defend human rights abuses by “culturally diverse” nations. And they may defend it an authentic part of “black culture,” but that phrase is in and of itself racist – who’s going to define “black culture” as a whole? If we start defining “black culture”, it won’t be long before we’re back to labeling successful blacks — Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and yes, Barack Obama — racial sell-outs if they don’t listen to rap. Or, in the words of Michelle Obama, if they talk “like white people.”
T.I. will no doubt emerge from prison with some new raps about thug life in the big house. No doubt he’ll win some Grammys. And no doubt some young black men will listen to him, think about the glories of thug life, and pull the trigger.







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For a second, I thought you said that T.I. named one of his kids 'WTF'
I love it when conservatives talk frankly about race. It's a losing proposition for them that they never win. And when conservatives lose, everyone that isn't a middle aged Caucasian male, living in the southeastern US or rural pockets of the Midwest wins. So please, by all means, air our your frustrations at scary black people with funny sounding names. And encourage your friends and public figures you support to do the same. Because every time you do, your movement dies just a little bit more.
Ben — thanks for being on top of this. I went to the short list and was reminded of another group we really need to be unafraid to confront: http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Sca...
Speaking of movements, Wasilla, it sounds like you just had one. One sheet, please.
BTW: the author's short list has some names listed twice, and a few rappers that died from health problems unrelated to gang violence.
BTW: the author's "short list" has some names listed twice and a few rappers that died from causes unrelated to gang violence.
The saddest thing about rap is that there is potential there for it to be something more than degrading and nasty. I tend to like stuff that's rhythm-heavy. I am first and foremost a metal fan, but if you listen to my playlist, a lot of the stuff I really like is rhythm heavy. But until it gets out of the gutter (and when a metal fan says that … ), I just can't go there.
As for black culture, it sets itself up to fail. It seems to see anything successful as "white." I taught urban school for three years. Every kid who did well was mocked as being "too white" almost universally. I don't know how they're going to find their own paradigm for success if they shy away from it like that. It's so sad too because they were some great kids.
Awesome! Funny how those broad brushstrokes paint both ways. But I am sure that all these fine members of the "party of personal responsibility" will find clever ways of not taking any responsibility.
Did you even read what he wrote? You seem to like to pull the trigger around here yourself. I do like a good laugh though.
Luckily I grew up with Bill Cosby as my black role model, not rappers. My kids listen to his recordings today and laugh just as hard as I did when I was a little kid. It's impossible to be a racist when you listen to Bill Cosby.
Bill Cosby knows that American black culture is committing suicide. Ben's article points out one of the cancerous growths that is killing our black population. One of the others is abortion, another is out-of-wedlock births which almost guarantee prison time and drug abuse for the poor kids who suffer from it.
It is important to reject rap, just as it is important to reject anti-semitism and racism. Rap is a cancer and a poison, and parents need to hear that loud and clear. All parents, of all shades and hues and cultures.
As a conservative I agree we should confront hypocrisy in Republicans. See what I did there?
Shh!!! You'll give someone an idea! On the other hand, I read the name Chaka Zulu and thought to myself, "Isn't that a term pilots use?"
This is really about common sense, not conservatism. If you really believe that the cultural and intellectual direction of the so-called black community is a good one, then you have to look at its effects. I think you might agree that these rappers and other thugs are not really helping anyone but themselves and their pocket books.
With all the "social issues" that are normally brought up when liberals talke about minorities, this one seems ot miss the list. It is so easy to point to racism as an excuse. The fact that you look like a gang member is simply glossed over. Who will possibly hire someone who looks like they will off you in a NY minute?
C'mon, this is a time for straight talk.
Hey, Hillbilly, you're back! Didn't get mugged or looted while your lights were off last night. Better luck next time.
You just gotta love music that sounds like someone left a sneaker in the dryer…
Thanks for having our back on scary black people with funny-sounding names. Your description, not mine. Nice lot of tolerance there, lollipop.
Come on out on April 15th, drink the tea of freedom and give up your Kool-Aid addiction.
Aren't you kind of skating the point. If you have a teen age daughter, are you suggesting she date the latest rapper? Do you encourage your son to emulate them?
I think we older white dopes simply don't understand the rap culture. We are missing the value of its cultural message, its uplifting vision for America's urban youth. If we were only HIPPER, then it would all become clear.
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Some scholarly work there, Ralphie boy. We'll get you some more Kool-Aid. Hillbilly needs you to find his rubber froggy in the bathtub; go feel around a bit, he likes that.
Editing is not your strong suit, is it, lollipop.
I happen to like like rap, I was a huge Tupac fan in the '90's, Biggie too. To me, it wasn't about hating women or selling drugs or being violent, it was about listening to what I saw every day and how I reacted to it. I grew up as a white boy in poor black neighborhoods all my life and I have the scars to show and the shame of some of my actions, but luckily not the record. True enough, I mostly liked the songs that had some meaning, Dear Mama, Keep Your Head Up, Me Against The World, etc…, but I could listen to Thug Life, Outlaw, California Love, Mo' Money Mo' Problems, Big Poppa, etc… too, because I related to it. However, looking back, it was completely inappropriate for me to be listening to at such a young age, but there were a lot of things that I did that were inappropriate back then. Which brings me to the real reason that rap seems so bad for the black culture, the same reason my life started out the way so many of my neighbor's lives started out.
The problem is, by and large, the black people themselves. Rap isn't causing black people to be mysoginists, or murderers or even teenage mothers, it's just reporting it. And if you haven't noticed, there's a lot of that happening in music white people listen to (If U Seek Amy, anyone?) The real problem is that most of the time, black fathers aren't there for their children and black mothers are too young to be effective parents. My mother was 16 when she had me, my father left when I was seven, my brother 3. Is it any wonder we both turned out somewhat screwed up? It wasn't until I had a child at 17 that I actually started to realize that there was no one to help me….and that was a good thing. Now, I'm mildly successful, don't use drugs, don't sell drugs, married for 11 years to the woman I love, and two beautiful children in advanced classes at school. And this isn't a singular white achievement, the black people in my neighborhood, they're kids are the same way, well adjusted, good kids with good grades, who fled the ghetto for a better life. And they listened to rap just like me and were involved in trouble, just like me.
But I know one thing truer than probably many conservatives on these here internets. There is no other answer to the problems black people face in the ghetto's of this country than self reliance, self accountability, conservative principles. I know it because I lived it. And to completely remove yourself from the conversation based on what most of the idiots in rap today have to say is to do a deep disservice to the black people of this country and to our country itself. We as conservatives can never celebrate the victim mentality that so many rappers today exhibit, we can't worship the ground walked on by race mongers and victim pimps, but we can engage in the conversation. I applaud this attempt, but looking at it from my point of view, it appears you lay the responsibility of black's problems at the feet of rap music, even if that wasn't your attempt.
Plus, I have to give T.I. some sympathy after he made A.T.L., the modern day American Graffiti with roller skates.
Yeah, the dreaded "Oreo" label.
Considering the axis of attack our lib trolls are taking, there's not a lot of "happy-happy, joy-joy" approach as to the so-called "success" these rappers enjoy. I'd rather be bereft of such, myself. Application of the approaches the rappers mention in their recordings are just working out SO well for them.
Lib pinheads, that's called irony and sarcasm. Something you will enjoy tremendously as PBHO lowers the taxable rate right into your earning bracket. Read "zero" for most of you.
Happy-happy, joy-joy for us Conservatives, though. You all now have skin in the game.
Speak the Truth to the power, Bonnie!
"Riiight!" (The libs will have NO idea what we just communicated! Isn't having secrets fun?)
Rap is the ultimate democratic principle in action: one does not have to have any capacity for clever rhyme, even a modicum of ability to create melody (as this writer suggested), or a hint of what it takes to create harmony–and yet
such an individual can be elevated to the status of a genius or idol. Therein lies its appeal: any kid, no matter how
untalented, can dream of power and glory because admittance to the club requires no apparent musical talent.
Ben, your article is an elaboration on the obvious. This topic needs to be probed deeper, to the discussion of why the worst elements of a subculture are glorified by the mainstream culture. What you would find is the homogeneous adoption of white guilt that leads to a mass contradiction of values. On the other side of that coin is political pandering, which is outright exploitive. You touched upon that with the John Kerry quote. It relates to a question I always ask of those who believe in the myth of Republican racism: What has the Democratic party actually done for the black population?
(hint: Nothing)
I also think your article is missing the critique of the artificial attitude of rap/hip-hop. There's a difference between a genuine ghetto accent and psychology –which I can accept if you actually grew up in the ghetto– and the affected way of speaking by those in the hip hop scene. It's an exaggerated behavior, which makes it attractive to kids who are desperate find and project their own identity.
I know this is sarcasm, but you have to understand that when you grow up in the ghettos and you see drugs and whores on every street corner and then someone is talking about them in a melodic, easy to bob with form, it can become intoxicating. Parent's are the antidote to this drug, not less offensive music, which it most certainly is. Of course, glamorization of gangstas and thugs by the MTV's of the world has done more to hurt the black community than help it and has moved many young rappers towards the same glamorization. When Tupac started, he was a militant black man who wanted to do some good, even though he was misguided. But Trapped was about how he was trying to fight against the system, Holla if you Hear Me, Keep Ya Head Up, then Dear Mama and So Many Tears (I suffered through so many years, shed so many tears, some of my favorite lyrics of all time). Me Against the World was a huge album and by the time All Eyez On Me came out, Tupac was worldwide and the life he spoke about became the life he lead and rapped about, How Do You Want It, California Love, Thug Passion, Skandalouz, my the time he was dead and Illuminati was released, Thug Life was all he was seen as. Rap would be better off if MTV never found it.
So you're criticizing alleged generalities by using generalities?
Cos metal is never degrading and nasty…And I say that as a metal fan.
I see some in the "Black Culture" as wanting what I have, money, jobs and nice homes. And then, refusing to do what I do to get it. There is an old saying, "If you want what I have, do as I do." If not? Continue on and receive the same.
All that is necessary for the triumph of hip-hop is that good men do nothing.
What has the Democratic party actually done for the black population?
You mean the party of slavery and segregation and secession and racist unions, right?
Or worse– encourage it.
Look, that was a long time ago. They're Fair and Progressive now!
Look, that was a long time ago. They're Fair and Progressive now!
And there in lies the problem as well. If everyone is a genius, then no one is a genius.
No male wins when liberals talk… certainly not minority males, not blacks, not Hispanics.
I disagree with most of what Shapiro wrote because I think he misses the cause of it all, which is the demand for the feminization of men. At the very least Caucasian males often have the option of a military or warrior mythos to embody masculinity… and I can hear you scoff at that as I type it, and doesn't that prove I'm right? What positive, muscular, male role is promoted by liberals? Not any, actually. Men are the problem, the oppressors.
Only multiculturalism compels you to pretend that the extreme misogyny and violence advocated by popular rap music is anything but what it is or that it doesn't negatively affect the black community, black women and children, and mostly… black men.
The male role of protector embodies strength and danger, but that's not allowed. What is left but the gangster?
No male wins when liberals talk… certainly not minority males, not blacks, not Hispanics.
I disagree with most of what Shapiro wrote because I think he misses the cause of it all, which is the demand for the feminization of men. At the very least Caucasian males often have the option of a military or warrior mythos to embody masculinity… and I can hear you scoff at that as I type it, and doesn't that prove I'm right? What positive, muscular, male role is promoted by liberals? Not any, actually. Men are the problem, the oppressors.
Only multiculturalism compels you to pretend that the extreme misogyny and violence advocated by popular rap music is anything but what it is or that it doesn't negatively affect the black community, black women and children, and mostly… black men.
The male role of protector embodies strength and danger, but that's not allowed. What is left but the gangster?
RIght on Bonnie! Rap "music" promotes a consciousness of violence, gangs, drugs & prostitution that only leads to one place: a wasted life. A life that ends up in prison or in the morgue. What a total waste.
Okay, let's explore here…
I don't lay the problem at rap's feet. But does rap oppose the culture decay, report it, or revel in it?
T-Rex wrote and performed, "Bang a Gong, (Get it On)", long before Palmer and The Power Station. Granted, that was almost thirty-eight years ago. But is "Whatever You Like" a new vision of "Bang a Gong", or does it go into places, (sic), best left to imagination?
Music, drugs, and sex have always gone together, like Democrats and Taxation. But does it HAVE to? Does rap HAVE to be so narcissistic, violent, drug and despair driven? Or is it that way because the money SAYS it has to be? Do people have to support such things because it echoes their current culture, or should they be looking to the messages you got in time to get you and your acquaintances out of the well?
We have this discussion all the time here; are libs like they are because they are, or are they being influenced by friends, culture, associations, MSM, political pandering, etc.? Should they be at the Kool-Aid bowl, or drinking tea; (or protesting with it, like we are?)
Way to respond to stereotypes. . .with stereotypes. I have a feeling Zo would probably not be too much in disagreement with Ben. . .and he is neither Caucasian or Middle Aged.
*MissQuinn*
I didn't say it isn't ever, but I've found a decent amount that speaks to things other than sex, drugs, and violence.
Our problem with it is that a gangster ain't no man. He takes everything good about a man and makes it infantile, irresponsible and a betrayal of what men should do: protect and respect their women and families and keeping the safety on unless and until they're threatened, as opposed to defending your own thin skin.
Our problem with it is that a gangster ain't no man. He takes everything good about a man and makes it infantile, irresponsible and a betrayal of what men should do: protect and respect their women and families and keeping the safety on unless and until they're threatened, as opposed to defending your own thin skin.
What has the Democratic party actually done for the black population?
They give the cookie of welfare for voting for them. Feed them something but keep them hungry enough to keep coming back.
I would bet Hillbilly is not into "hands-on" parenting, for himself or anyone else, for that matter. That "full exploration of the self" thing or some other type of lib bilge. Then he'd try to get himself off the hook of responsibility when it goes wrong with, "constraining the psyche", or "suppression of personal freedom'"as they put his kid's body on the gurney for transport to the morgue. That "died from causes unrelated to gang violence" line of his says it all. The state should take his kids away before he sets them up for that kind of a sticky end.
Just remember, it won't be his fault. Just ask him. Its Bush/Cheney or Reagan; they did it..
I'd be careful who you say doesn't understand growing up poor. Some of us know what that is. My parents made sure I didn't do it in an urban environment though which may be the only difference between me and you.
I don't blame rap for the culture, but it sure as hell celebrates it and glorifies it. Half the kids in my classes when I taught wanted to be rappers the other half were going into the NBA. Those were the acceptable routes to success for many of my kids. I didn't hear doctor or lawyer or fireman. I guess I did have on smart – a tell me he was going to be a pimp …
Hi, Brisco: Burke (and I) were only referring to "good men." Kerry and Obama are neither. But you're right, we have to keep an eye out for the well-intentioned decent people who have no grasp of the obvious.
Hi, Brisco: Burke (and I) were only referring to "good men." Kerry and Obama are neither. But you're right, we have to keep an eye out for the well-intentioned decent people who have no grasp of the obvious.
Ugh.
Who wrote this article, my grandmother?
There's plenty of fantastic hip-hop that is moving, artistic, and poetic.
Guys like TI (an obvious snitch, by the way) are underwritten and formed by music corporations. They are the Velveeta of the music industry. The root problem is that corporations purposefully produce the worst things. Lousy and dangerous cars, food, drugs, and, of course, entertainment.
This will cause you a cognitive dissonance that will probably give you a brain aneurysm. And then, perhaps, Big Hollywood can afford to employ someone who is able to think beyond pigmentation to root causes.
What I can't understand is why there's so much less appreciation for Motown/Philly in today's young black population. Maybe in the future.
At the beginning of the last school year my, (then just 10 year old), son needed to ride the district school bus after school. During the short 40 min. drive the school bus driver (a woman that happened to be black), had tuned into a local “rap” radio station and was playing it loud enough for him to hear where he was sitting in the back of the bus.
He told me about the “music” when I picked him up at his stop.
I saw the school principal standing outside around the teachers, kids and parents supervising the daily goings on. I approached this new PhD in education, and politely told him what my son had reported to me a few minutes earlier. His response to me was to shrug and tell me that, there was nothing he could do about it because it was a “cultural thing.”
He continued, that if I had a “problem” with it that I should talk to the transportation dept. of the district school bus drivers association.
So I did. That very afternoon.
But, not before I went home fired up the internet and went to "Billboards: Rap and Hip Hop” section. I downloaded the lyrics of the No. 1 “song” on the list and printed it out.
Then with lyrics in hand, and the boys tagging along to watch what just one person still has the power to do in our country, I drove the 10 miles to the school dist. transportation dept.
I asked to speak with the supervisor of the dept. After a short wait he can out to the entrance where we were waiting. I explained to him what my son had told me earlier and began to read, out loud, the lyrics to the song.
“The ni##er does this, and the ni##er does that.”
“The bi#ch does this and the bi#ch does that” I read.
“Whoa…whoa…you can’t say that hear!” he told me excitedly. “That is totally unexceptible to say that here.”
“But, this is exactly what is being played on the tax payer supported school bus in front of my 10 year old son and a couple of dozen other kids”, I told him.
He said he’d “look into it.”
It still took over two weeks, and several trips back to the transportation dept. (each time I read out loud the lyrics to the “song” for their enlightenment), to finally have it switched off in the bus.
But, not before the driver told my son that she wanted to have a “talk” with his Dad, to find out what kind of “problem” I had with black people.
To all parties concerned, they tried to make the issue my fault. Go figure.
But, it was turned off!
Not Over.
Not including Pres. Bill Clinton's MULTIPLE sex scandals and hints of assisted suicide (murder if you will): <a href><a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17357” target=”_blank”>http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17357
Remember folks: Sex is only a [political] party issue if you are a Republican; if you're a Democrat it is just a party. When one has no morals to begin with, the best way to feel good about oneself is to cut down those who have failed theirs.
BC, looks to me like the poster is a dragnet tit-for-tatter. A shill for the 'party line'. A person who refuses to see the forest for the trees.
LBJ famous hero of civil rights to blacks, since that is what dems told them and they can do nothing but believe them said this about blacks in his biography (paraphrasing somewhat) "Blacks are getting rather uppity lately but they are gaining enough political power to become so. So we need to toss them a bone. Not much. Just enough to keep them quite. Not enough to make a difference."
Bottom line, LBJ white democrat politician learned early on that if blacks were to be controlled as a voting group then you had to toss them a bone, not enough to make a difference but enough to make it look like you care. Dem politicians have done exactly the same.
The KKK (founded by 5 white DEMOCRATS) said that they would have no problem "keeping blacks (used other word here) down." They went on to say that the hard part will be controlling white republicans, since white republicans were the ones that were really standing up for black equality.
At its peek, when KKK was the most popular 90% of its members were white democrats.
The black community is stuck in limbo for as long as they choose to be. And they choose to be stuck with all the worst statistics in the USA because they are stuck on a flawed idea that leads them to vote for flawed politicians.
And create a common enemy to blame for your problems. That perception will only last for so long, though.
Indeed, I was raised in the projects, Ah, so what? You need to understand how the world works and starte working. Or you can bitch and be left behind. Choose wisely.
Yes, and the Dems are the party of war. Check out the data on who was in power when the US entered the most deadlest wars of the 20th centure.
To be fair, that is changing. I encounter many self-made black professionals who get it, and they have more contempt for liberal political pandering than we do.
Insightful article. T.I. has many children by more than one unwed mother. They are lucky because he has had the money to pay for them (for their sake, I hope he managed his resources so payments will continue during his prison stay). The sad fact is that his lyrics do not discourage profligate promiscuity. Financially-strapped, unwed fathers of many children soon find themselves burdened by the reality of a heavy-handed state-enforced child support system (which is as it should be). . . . NOW THAT is an effect of liberal feminist propaganda and Great Society drivel.
"Cultural diversity may be a wonderful thing, but rap isn’t. Liberals may call rap art, but they also call glazed poop art. "
Again, my grandmother would have… Actually, she was hipper than this.
I'm sympathetic to the aims of this site, but gee willikers. Wouldn't it make sense to hire people to write here who actually understand art and not knee-jerk Thomas Kincaid lovers? If this is the level of discourse BH thinks will shift the culture war, then this site will be begging for a bailout soon.
Conservative art sucks because it refuses to understand its enemy, and instead hopes to insulate Xanadu. It doesn't tackle modern life. If discounts the very real problems identified by philosophy and science (from existentialism to the problem of free will) and hopes to stem the tide of cultural and spiritual degradation by stopping time. There shouldn't even be such a thing as conservative art. We should be struggling for good men of conscience to create true art. And for me, I hear much more truth in street poetry (even if it is tortured, confused, angry truth) than in ham-fisted propaganda like American Carol or nostalgic fantasies.
The first time I used the phrase, "Rap is Crap" would have been back in 1986 or '87. I was a 28/29-year-old guitarist in a rock band in NYC then, and I could already see that little good and mostly harm was going to come from it. The earliest examples of rap I remember, from about 1982 or so, actually had some positive elements to the messages, but within ten years, that had been replaced with almost nothing but vile obscenities and gratuitous profanities. By the '90's it was "gangsta" rap with overtly racist and misogynist messages, including several that advocated killing cops, and the leftard relativists were actually rationalizing away these things and ascribing positive societal worth to it.
No lie: The rap phenomenon is one of the main elements that prompted my transition from leftard, through conservative, to small-l libertarian. I just couldn't believe that the pseudo-intellectuals on the left were tolerating and even heaping praise on that obvious garbage. Now, in retrospect, I realize that they were afraid of being labelled racist and wanted to be accepted by their peers. No group is more susceptible to peer pressure than leftards are.
You can have rappers that try to project a positive message. However, like a lot of people trying for a piece of success within the entertainment business, there are far more imitators and 2nd-rate talent who see what worked for Ice-T, B.I.G, etc, and are too lazy or just plain bad at it to be original. If a gangsta rapper can make millions off of 'women are hos' messages, then you will have two dozen rip-off artists flooding the market with the same garbage.
Find out the radio station and see if their website shows a list of their programming. Print out those specific lyrics to make a stronger case.
Then ask them if it would've been ok to play heavy metal songs about women and cocaine for the children to listen to.
this reads like a college thesis…in a woman's study class.
it is a gift to write/think/talk simply. not write something that screams "look at how smart i am"…
Normally I take the side of celebrities caught with guns because i believe we should be able to carry guns pretty much anytime we want. (except airplanes and such) However, i would throw the book at him for the silencers. what would anyone need silencers for?
His show on MTV was obviously pandering to lighten his sentencing.
I agree with most of this, especially the parts about American Carol, modernity, and knee-jerking over the experimental nature of art, but hip hop has earned its reputation.
I agree. With everyone. Rap sucks, Hip Hop is whats up: Mos Def, Common are some of the best MC's but dont get played cuz some "shake that ass" song or "throw your dollars up" is preferred by the masses.
And for the record: Eminem is lyrically brilliant. Anyone can take his lyrics and read them and be blown by how he can put words together and make up a story.
Let me suggest that attacking rap music dances around the real point. Rap music on it's own is neither good nor bad. Rap music can be well done or it can be poorly done. It can be entertaining, it can be uplifting, it can be enjoyable. What people should be upset about are the content of the lyrics. Broad brush attacks on "rap music" only make conservatives sound anti-culture and fuddy-duddy. It comes across to those who do not already understand the point just like a repeat of the attacks on rock and roll in the 1950s.
Conservatives need to learn to narrow their attack here. Don't attack rap music generally, attack specific content in rap music — most of which is indefensible. Don't attack rap as a form of music or as a form of expression, go after the message.
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Also, the real problem is not the rappers. The real problem is the entire culture from which they spring. Rap culture did not create out-of-wedlock births, drive-by shootings, drug use, group hate, violence, etc. anymore than heavy metal created teenage angst. Rap found those things already in place and exploited them for profit. These rappers are merely the symptoms, not the cause. If rap vanished tomorrow, these same problems would continue to exist and they would merely find a new outlet for expression. Indeed, we should be much more concerned with why this message sells in these communities rather than complaining about the messager. And for that, we need to ask some hard questions of the leaders of these communities.
"One of the others is abortion, another is out-of-wedlock births which almost guarantee prison time and drug abuse for the poor kids who suffer from it."
So… nobody else sees any cognitive dissonance with these two particular things side-by-side as an equal evil? Nobody? Just me?
Drudge Report, March 13, Teens: Beating was Rihanna's fault…
"Of those questioned, ages 12 to 19, 71 percent said that arguing was a normal part of a relationship; 44 percent said fighting was a routine occurrence."
Welcome back to the glory days of the African Kings. Men rule by force, establish dominance by physical confrontation, proudly display their wealth, women are property to be done with as they will. How much of that is true, who knows, it shows up in old movies, gets labeled as racism promoting stereotypes, then seen again in modern documentaries showing tribal life. Idi Amin, Mugabe, the Maasai. This is the legend that's embraced. This is "black culture." Meanwhile "white culture" features democracy, tolerance, protection of the weak, respect and equality for women, even conservatism is tacked on. But whites are evil, they had slavery. It's unmentionable that black slaves were bought from black slavers in Africa, and it still goes on there while "whites" banished it from their culture.
From above: "It provides ammunition to racists who wish to slander all black men as rap-loving violent misogynists, and it encourages ignorant and disadvantaged young black men to become rap-loving violent misogynists." Yet one can hardly mention it without being labeled a racist. Change, they say, must come from "within the community." But critics are few from there, and highly criticized by their own. So I guess it's time to take up Eric Holder's challenge, and risk the labels. "Cultural diversity may be a wonderful thing…" In this case it clearly is not. And there's only one culture, one community that I care about, the American one.
No, the conservative movement, as you call it, of the nation is not about to die. Your whole nation is! And if you think sucking up to blacks who have taken advantage of your country — incidentally the only country in the world to ever abolish slavery — will save you from what's coming, you had better think again. Just the fact that this scum-sucking excuse for a human being had machine guns should tell you something. Even if you're black, look at the history in Africa, where blacks murder blacks by the million to this day! But take hope sucka! All the violence will be stopped, and soon, by the Almighty God! You can take that to the bank.
You're an alternate universe C—sucker. A black ex-con just shot down FOUR white police officers in "Urbanville" California. The movement to normalize these two legged ANIMALS just DIED a little bit more. Why? The local "urban" leaders breakout a march, IN HONOR OF THIS BLACK ANIMAL. Thankfully, a huge service of remeberence for these four professional was attended by THOUSANDS. We have a one term, one shot affimate action POTUS. It's time to relegate anti-American animals to the back page. Go feed your F-ing goat.
Ya, a wiki scource, i.e. garbage. Take any research to any professor at any real college or university with Wiki content, they throw it back in your face. Try again goat herder, but put your mouth and tounge and anus into it this time.
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Rap and hip hop is the "musical" version of "The Emperor's new clothes" fable.
As a (former) musician myself, I am totally dumbfounded by the fact that anyone actually
admits to liking that aural garbage. And I'm just talking about the "sound" of it.
When you factor in the despicable, stomach-churning lyrics, it becomes even more of
a mystery that anyone but the basest degenerate would listen to (let alone buy) the stuff.
Finally, when I see the way rappers look (the ludicrous baggy pants worn below the underwear,
the gold and diamond "grills" on their teeth, those humongous diamond-encrusted watches,
the rope-think gold chains, etc.), it almost brings tears of mirth to my eyes. I say "almost" because
it's really no laughing matter, and if my daughter had ever tried to buy that garbage, I'd have had
her lobotomized without further ado.
Twice.
You mean AIDS? Drug overdoses?
Lots of great discourse here. The dismal music sales will start to erode the appeal of this way of life, have no fear. But let's remember that early movies were called "penny dreadfuls" and were shunned by the elite and even middle class as meant for the poor and illiterate only, heavy on the immigrants in NYC. Eventually the medium was considerably classed up . But will rap take this route? how? In the old days, those who were under aspired to be better people. The main problem here is that you have a permanent section of society unconnected to taking care of themselves and their children. When you don't have that anchor, all values are up for grabs. And the value of being "better" – smarter, more civilized is right out the window. The disconnect that is ignored by the left/elite is that the money paid for welfare is to KEEP PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE – NIMBY please! Meanwhile, live fast and die young is an age old belief in all races and classes – educated Muslim terrorist cells anyone?
"the entire culture from which they spring" doesn't have enough people in it for the genre to exist just for them. The Great Lie of the gangsta rap genre is that it 'speaks' to a "black" audience because it's a "black" genre reflecting the "black" reality of the "black" community. That was MAYBE true for the first year or two of it's existence – mostly in the urban-indie scene – but not since. The genre is kept fat and rich by middle-class WHITE teenagers who feel guilty about not having anything real to complain about in their spoiled lives, so they fetishize a media/music-biz-created image of "blackness" as something dangerous and warlike. 50 Cent isn't a radical – he's an EMPLOYEE. He's the Pillsbury Doughboy of tacky "urban" fashion trends.
Hmmm…I think Britain abolished slavery shortly before we did, but I'm working from memory here. I could be wrong.
The Nazis had some really moving, artistic and poetic music too. Their very theme music "The Horst Wessel Song" is about the oppression and murder of a poor young adherent of the fledgling party by people who didn't understand his love for his people. It also happens to be a call to violence and the rejection of western religion and morality. I hate it. I'm of German descent. I'm no big fan of country and western music either. They say it speaks to the heart, but unfortunately it first has to pass through the ears. Does that mean that I have successfully thought beyond pigmentation?
Every T.V. ad I see is totally misrepresentitive of the country I live in and travel about,is is a great time to a minority looking for casting in T.V. and print ads. Every single ad on T.V. has a white man as an evil criminal, and a black guy as a judge or a doctor. IS THIS REALITY? NO! 13% of the population is in 50% of the ads on T.V. , and in positions of power and respect. Now, should we revert back to Jim Crow days of yore? NO! Let's just have some reality and balance. Must ADT and BRINKS have white criminals assulting lilly white victims in every single ad? It pisses me off.
Andrew: I violated my own rule and responded to a troll. Will you defend me?
He takes everything good about a man and makes it infantile, irresponsible and a betrayal of what men should do.
I see the gangsta image as a massive, utterly horrific overreaction.
Cognitive dissonance? Not really. As conservatives, I think our advice to the young lady in both instances would have been to keep her knees together and graduate high school.
Granted, that didn't work out so well for the Palins (preemptive strike here), but it's optimal.
Abortion = bad
Illegitimate birth = bad
Do we need more review?
Thank God! I thought I was the only one who couldn't stand Country and Western. People look at me like I've grown horns when I say that, but there's something about that twang I just can't stand. Like fingernails on a blackboard. Give me southern rock any day.
Uh, exploit them, subjugate them, resegregate them with "free housing" and subsidise fatherless households where apparently "daddy" manages to only get in late a night to reimprenate "mommy" over and over and over and over….the % of black people has remained steady because of prisons and all out fratricide. Truly a race rushing toward self destruction, all to the "beat" of the garbage know as "RAP"!
Nope, it's just you. The rest of us see them as equal symptoms of the same problem — the breakdown of the nuclear family among urban blacks. Whatever happened to getting married and raising a family?
A terrific article and great insight into this non-music form of popular entertainment. MTV and the other corporate whores who do anything for money have pushed this crap on our kids for too long as they claim "artistic freedom" or "anti-censorship" as a smokescreen.
A musically inclined friend of mine summed up Rap by saying that it is profane nursery rhymes set to percussion. I couldn't agree more.
As an aside, have we forgotten that "The One" admitted to using cocaine? I guess that's ok because 1) he's sorry, 2) he went on Oprah's show, and 3) he's a liberal. Only conservatives cannot be forgiven of their sins.
The thing about the "Horst Wessel" song is, once it gets into my head I walk around humming it all day.
This, in turn, causes some strange looks at work.
Saul: Isn't that "Ludacris baggy pants?" I feel for you with your daughter. All I ever had to worry about with my daughter was that she actually liked Duran Duran. Fortunately, she moved up to Poison and Motley Crue. This was way back before "Yo, MTV Raps."
Hey Lawhawk, I'll be face to face with Kerry monday morning at a hearing about the violence in Mexico. My goal is to insult him but stay out of jail. I have two more classes after my vebal ambush of the "Great Phony" and sloppy seconder and spender of the late, great Sen. John Heinz's money. It should be a hoot. gonna where my Reagan T-shirt.
Two dozen, hell — two hundred. Nobody in the rap world even bothers to try projecting an unambiguously positive message anymore. And if there is someone out there trying to be positive, well, they haven't had a hit yet.
Or even worse, the continuation of it's spread to rural communities.
Good for YOU 1GooDDaDDY…!!!
Anyone who tries to claim that it's a "cultural thing" has their head up the wazoo,
and is probably deaf to boot (or at the very least TONE deaf!).
Rap and hip hop "music" is loathsome, and so is the entire rap and hip hop "culture".
I don't care WHAT color they are- eminem is just as much a lowlife as any black
rapper (and for those who will mindlessly bleat that I'm simply a racist- it just so I happens
that I really like certain Reggae songs).
Not to worry, James. I'll spring you from jail, and Andrew will defend you, pro bono. Andrew?
Omigod! You too?
Art is in the eye of the beholder, and the ear as well. If one has to take so much instruction on "art appreciation" to qualify for college credit before you can begin to "see the brilliant genius" of a work, it's not art. Might take repeated exposure to get used to a particular type, but true art is beauty, immediately recognized. Even if I'm unfamiliar with a particular form, if it doesn't catch me enough that I want to experience more, learn how to better appreciate it, it's not art to me.
I appreciate many forms of music very well. I feel no need to "understand" rap, to receive instruction on how to appreciate it, nor accept that it's in any way necessary to do so. It's just not music to me.
aharris: Sweet Home, Alabama!
Well, I'm not a fan of FDR but to be fair we were kind of attacked in a non-partisan fashion.
Vietnam actually was started under Eisenhower. Bailing out the French. Shouldn't he have known better by the 50s?
Wilson ran in 1916 on an isolationist platform. AFTER the Lusitania was hit.
Just random tidbits I recall from my 11th grade history. No particular point to make.
"I just couldn't believe that the pseudo-intellectuals on the left were tolerating and even heaping praise on that obvious garbage. Now, in retrospect, I realize that they were afraid of being labelled racist and wanted to be accepted by their peers."
That describes the phenomenon in a nutshell, and is precisely what I meant when I said that tolerance (and even praise!) for rap and hip hop is the "musical" version of "The Emperor's new clothes" fable.
Andrew:
Rap is the Devil's music. They should only show Ludacris on T.V. from the waist up.
Oh, wait a minute…that was Elvis. Never mind.
First of all, there are roughly 40 million blacks in this country, that is more than enough to support rap without a single white consumer. In fact, that's more people than most countries. And if you spend time in large urban centers, you will see that rap is indeed the dominant form of music.
Secondly, you are the one who injected race into my comments in your rush to attack "fat and rich middle-class white teenagers." How typically liberal of you. I specifically made a point of not using the word "black" because rap culture is not just an issue for black communities. Hispanics are heavily involved in rap, as are white kids — particularly poor white kids. If you visit places like West Virginia or rural Virginia, you will see that large numbers of poor white kids listen to rap and emulate it's message.
Finally, the idea that rap is imposed on black America by white teenagers, is just laughable.
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