Bill Maher Loses Religion-Bashing Battle With S.E. Cupp and History’s Inconvenient Truths
by Brad SchaefferSometimes it’s just so easy. I mean if I really wanted to, I could find all the material needed to expose the folly of the far left just by watching Bill Maher every week and picking apart the claims he offers as “fact” while urged on with hosannas by his trained seals in the Real Time audience.
The comedian/pundit is a legend in his own studio—and it appears that his embarrassing stint at the big people’s table on This Week a while back, where he was dissected by George Will wielding the carving knife of the Socratic method, did little to humble Maher into questioning his own command of the issues. “Facts are stubborn things,” said John Adams. Of course, Mr. Adams never met a left-wing zealot with a worldview for whom reality is often an inconvenience to be waved away like curling pot smoke in a back grotto at the Heff mansion.
Okay, okay…I realize that picking apart Maher isn’t even sporting. After all, making up his own historical narrative on the fly to support his far-left delusions is fast becoming his hallmark. Still, let’s have a look-see at a recent Real Time discussion between Bill and two of his panelists, Newark mayor Cory Booker, a devout Baptist, and fellow atheist S.E. Cupp—although Cupp, a conservative commentator, is as respectful of believers as Maher is openly contemptuous (which is another topic). With hackneyed predictability, and a shameless shortfall of historical grounding, Maher once again goes off on a rant against his favorite bogeyman: religion. This time about the nexus between past wars and spirituality. But as we will see, when Maher speaks of “religion” he quickly gets flummoxed about what he even means by the term.
Maher: [Religion] causes most wars: The Crusades, the inquisition, 9/11, honor Killings…”
Cupp: “No that’s factually not true.”
Booker: “Humans…humans cause war.”
Cupp: “Religion doesn’t kill people…people kill people.”
Booker: “We’ve been known to start wars over everything from natural resources to land, to religion—“
Cupp: “Colonialism, tribalism.”
Booker: “—we start wars.”
Maher: “The justification for most of that is religion.”
Cupp: “No it’s not.”
Maher: “Of course it is…What gets normal people to think it’s okay to kill other people is religion…very little else….”
Cupp: “Or colonialism, or land power grabs, or nativism…”
Maher: “Mostly religion. Ethnic cleansing, honor rape…”
Cupp: “Hitler, Pol Pot Mao, Stalin, not in the name of religion.“
Maher: “Were state religions. [Puzzled looks from panel] Of course they were.”
Cupp: “Communism is a state religion?”
Maher: “Absolutely. You never heard that?”
Cupp: “I think we’re talking about different things.”
Maher: “We’re not. We’re just talking different labels.”
Bzzzz! Time-out, Bill. I thought religion, as you have so condescendingly referred to it in the past, is a deluded belief in a “magical man” who makes things happen? But suddenly when cornered with the historical record that refutes your indictment of religion as the chief culprit in most wars and instead places the blame on some decidedly baser human expressions be they communism, Nazism, nationalism, conquest, raw materials, etc. you suddenly switch gears to re-categorize such a secular socio-economic concept as communism as religion, too?
Really Bill? Really?
So to be clear Maher considers Sino and Soviet communism—ideologies which seek to replace God with The State—to be their own religions? Gee, wouldn’t even a casual observer conclude that their codified atheism as the very antithesis of religion? His is a conveniently elastic definition of the word to say the least. By Maher’s logic then secular humanism, of which he is an outspoken devotee, is a religion as well because it exalts man. Man as god. Is capitalism then a “religion” because it exults profit? Money as god? Heck, in Maher’s little mind, are not the fans at Yankee Stadium in reality a congregation in a temple worshiping Jeter and A-Rod?
You get the gist. Still so unaccustomed to cross-examination by the learned, the satirist offers up to Cupp a line of argument to back up his ad hoc thesis of which Clarence Darrow would have been proud: “You never heard that?” Well said, sir. Well said indeed.
So here we can see that, when called out once again on one of his ready-shoot-aim inanities our cock-sure pontificator simply dodges and weaves in a pathetic attempt to wriggle out of a fundamentally inaccurate statement by re-defining “religion” on the spot.
Phew! Dodged that bullet eh, Bill?
Well, not really. Let’s look closer at his argument that religion is the cause of most wars. According to the ol’ encyclopedia here, some of the bloodiest wars in the last century were World War II, World War I, the Second Congo War, Korea, Vietnam, the Iran-Iraq War. Raise your hand if you can tell me the religious zealotry driving these conflicts. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Maher? Anyone?
Unfortunately for Maher’s proposition, the causes of these wars were as earthly as they come: land, power, profit, raw materials, conquest, balance of power, regional domination. The closest intrusion of theology into these many conflicts may be a hint of honoring a deity in the case of the Japanese reverence of the ceremonial Mikado…but that was just a façade as the hegemonic Japan’s true motivation was a quest for fuel, rubber and ore. As for the Iran-Iraq War, sure sunni/shiah tensions helped fuel the flames, but the real engine driving this conflict was crude oil.
So perhaps Bill should have said:
“Religion causes most wars with the following minor exceptions: (Deep breath) The Second Congo War, the Gulf War, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, World War II, the Russo-Finish War, the Sino-Japanese war ,World War I, the Russo-Japanese War, the Boer War, the Spanish-American war, the Spanish Civil War , the US Civil War, the Napoleanic Wars, etc, etc.”
There is a marked difference between going to war explicitly for one’s God and hoping that God is rooting for you as you go off to war to fight for something else. As the old saying goes: “There are no atheists in foxholes.”
Has religion been the cassis belli in past conflicts? Of course it has and to deny that is to ignore history…which is Maher’s forte, not mine. But “some” or “one of many” as opposed to most is in terms of meaning and implication about as yawning a chasm as exists between the minds of C.S. Lewis and Bill Maher. But this concept is beyond the funny-man-turned-left-wing-crusader for commenting on war and its complex antecedents requires a rudimentary knowledge of the historical record from which opinions should emerge…not the other way around.
I don’t know what happened to Maher during his life to turn him so caustic on religion — a subject about which he demonstrates week after week he has only a child-like understanding. But I would recommend that if he is going to speak with such conviction about the causal relationship between belief in a higher power and the world at war, he should at least crack open a history book first before opening his mouth -– preferably one written by someone other than Noam Chomsky. Otherwise this man will just continue to make himself to look more and more the fool…his howling enablers in the stacked peanut gallery notwithstanding.
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Pot DOES make me smart, DAMMIT!
Bill needs to vet his guests a little more closely next time. S.E. Cupp was obviously a bad choice. She seems to *think* about religion rather than merely having an attitude about it. Mr. Glib was in way over his head.
Bill, Bill, how many times do we have to tell you, Dont bring a limp noodle to a gun fight!
That should be "CASUS belli" (small point)
Colonialism is a religion, too! And so is voting Republican! And completing a sentence without a smirk on your face!
Identifying religions is easy – if Bill Maher disagrees with something, it's a religion. I will say, it's amazing when Maher mentions honor killing or other Islam-motivated violence… but then he clarifies that of course Christianity is as bad (or worse), and moves on with whatever diatribe he was in the middle of.
i suppose liberlism is a religion, they use the alter of abortion, and follow the words of profit gore(yes pun intended) the earth is warming, they go on this faith foreward. if you are against warming, you are a sinner, and if you do not like abortions, you are to be shunned from the faith.
I'm suprised Maher keeps making these mistakes. No, not because I think he's more intelligent than he is portrayed (his idiocy appears genuine), but because usually liberals are savvy enough to avoid these uncomfortable situations where they have to face people calling them out for their make believe realities.
…Faith in God is the ultimate threat to the Socialist Agenda of Enslavement to and Worship of Dear Leader and Big Government…
…Little Billy Maher understands this fact intuitively – just as Marx, Lenin and Mao knew it…
…just as Van Jones, Bill Ayers, Bobo, the Castro Brothers and Kim Jong il know it…
Classic moral relativism, once in a corner, spew, “everybody does it – - you never heard that?” Statist must render religion impotent, so that witless liberal sycophants will never deify fools like Maher.
"if Bill Maher disagrees with something, it's a religion"
It's not clear to me he disagrees with communism.
Maher speaks for "Who" anyway? Hollywood puts out these so called knowledgeable joker's to talk world politic's and they donot even know about the History of this planet…This old school communist attitude is just that, old school. It has never worked in communist run countries and will never work here, that little communist booklet on how to take over through communist ideals is for an uneducated population..a Godless population,period. Everytime Maher opens his mouth about America he shows how little he really is and how little the little man is.
I'm about done with Maher. He is not as interesting or amusing as people want him to be. BH has finally stopped the Rosie is evil posts, and I'm ready for the Maher is an evil moron posts to stop too.
Ohmigod — when I first saw that picture, I thought it was Larry Fine of the Three Stooges. Turns out I wasn't far off.
Liberals live, breathe, and think ideologically. In other words, facts are fodder to be fed into their cranial swamps where the facts are refashioned by relativism and issued forth as truths. In this manner liberalism has become a religion of sorts because it requires a supra worldly faith to believe in its fantasies.
I'm sure he would argue that Mao, Stalin, and Lenin just messed up a detail here or there, but… good point
Interesting that B.M. thinks "the Inquisition" was a war…
Bill Maher is the equivalent of the drunken college dorm party debater. He will try to say anything to sound authoritative, hoping not to be questioned.
People actually watch Maher's show? Seriously?
For the record, we do worship Jeter but our devotion to A-Rod is only as strong as his line in the previous day's box score.
I'm with you on this. both Rosie and Maher are low hanging fruit at this point.
BUT….
If the guy continues to show up on TV with his crapola, he really should get called out on it early and often. It's the pictures I can't take. That smug little shitty smirk just screams, "Someone beat the stupid out of me STAT!!!"
yeah but it is getting to be tedious in how often it happens. At this point if some one doesn't trip him up it ought to be talked about.
He has been vetted and found wanting by those that dont agree with him. But of course the people who like him still do.
i saw another clip (from the markee above) and he was echoing the "OMG if the Gores break up there is no hope for anyone" baloney. I never looked to them for marital advise and don't see how their seperation affects my relationship. He is just lame, he's an echo chanber and doesn't even have the decency to try and change it up and make it interesting. His viewers ought to feel cheated.
He's just behind Ashton Kutcher on my "Punch in the bird on sight" list
That is an insult to the Stooges!
I thought it was a Mel Brooks musical number…
We must be working off the same list….
I would still like to see him get some balls and have someone like Michael Medved or Bill Bennett on his show. Or better yet, feed him to the gang on Red Eye. Maher needs to be chewed up and spit out one really big time and THEN I'm totally done with him.
As for the Gores being the ideal marriage, it's the silliest thing I've ever heard….
I think what Bill was trying to say is that his own beloved atheism is in itself a religion. After all it takes just as much faith to believe that there is no god as it does to believe there is. There is no proof that God exists, but there is no proof that he doesn't either. Therefore your decision whether to believe or not to believe is a giant leap of faith either way. And when Bill rants against religion he is ranting against his own belief system as well.
….that or he's just a dumb ass…
You're on a roll this morning….
Maher needs to travel the road to Damascus…
That's an insult to Larry Fine!
I think it's really much more simple.
The man's not just uninformed by anything but goundless opinion, he clearly has "never heard of"
THE RULE OF HOLES!
Since getting his butt kicked by Will he's on a US Tour to PROVE HE'S SMART.
Unfortunately he forgot to pack a bag.
Bill "WHO"=LOSER
If Bill's booking agent had any sense he would never, ever put him on a legitimate talk show where they actually have intelligent discussions again. I don't think George Will would be quite as easy on him if they were to ever grace the same roundtable again.
I also think that he would punch somone in the mouth if they even mentioned having S.E. Cupp on his show. Can you imagine getting owned by a hot redhead, but then again, Bill's probably used to getting schooled by intelligent women at this point.
Buckywheat,
I'm SOOO WITH YOU. Sick to death of seeing his face and that greasy hair. ew. And criticizing his obvious lack of knowledge of even basic history…like shootin fish in a barrel. Dead "talkin head" walkin. Move along. Nothin to see here.
Take on a REAL challenge.
Call Stewart out on some of his stuff. I like Jon but he still gives more passes to the left than they earn. Go one on one with Jon ….but you better have your game on. Stewart, unlike Maher, is NOBODY'S FOOL. Love to see him on that panel with Will and co. THAT would be worth watchin!
It's instructive in that his so-called thoughts are reflective of main-stream liberal thought. We think he's an idiot because he clearly can't articulate much beyond his own shallow point of view, but try arguing with most any garden-variety liberal and you'll be thrust into Maher's thought processes in a microcosm.
S.E. Cupp is right. Religion is like a gun. It doesn't kill people by itself, not even Islam whose holy writings advocate killing unbelievers, it's those who follow the religion that decide to act. Or, to paraphrase Francis Collins, "When you fill up the rusty cup of humanity with the pure water of faith, do you blame the source of the faith if the water coming out of the cup is tainted?"
I went to Farm Aid a while back, and was forced to endure James Taylor getting up on stage and lecturing me (and the rest of the audience) about how "all wars are fought over money." So are they all fought over money, or religion?
Man, I wish our liberal masters could keep their narratives straight so that I'd know why we fight wars.
"Bill's probably used to getting schooled by intelligent women" That would require sufficient consciousness to know that happened.
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Lust for power, and the use of envy-mongering to facilitate the collection of power, is the basis for most political conflict, no matter what costume it assumes.
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I'm pretty sure at least 75% of his audience are conservative bloggers looking for juicy material to analyze and rip to shreds on their blogs.
The remaining 25% are ultra-moonbats to the left of Keith Olbermann.
Thanks for pointing out that his initials are BM. How appropriate.
I think Maher or his producers believed Corey Booker was going to be more in synch with him ideologically when they set up the panel that included Booker and S.E. Cupp, because it was one of the rare "Real Time" episodes that wasn't the normal dog pile on the token panel conservative. However, he made up for it on this past Friday's show, with Andrew Sullivan, Judd Apatow and Van Jones were the guests, and on the Palin-McGinniss controversy, Maher and Jones ended up representing the 'pro-Palin' side of the argument. A panel like that put Bill more in his comfort zone, where he can actually believe he's the voice of edgy moderation.
One can only wonder how much Maher detests the Church of Climatology, that faith based theology expends uncountable time and energy denying sound, actual science forsaking it for anecdotal argument, fraud, and misunderstood statistics bound under the holy mantra "The Science Is Settled"> They obviously fit his description of a religion. Did Maher mention them at all? mmmmmmm – no. Bill himself is a self proclaimed prophet for the Church Of the Third Rock holding dirt, rocks and twigs in higher esteem than actual cognitive thought.
do they make a stick that big?
Casus belli.
Speaking of religion, I have faith that someday the Big sites will hire copy editors.
I've asked it before and will keep asking it:
Why people look to Maher (and people like him) for a 'reality check' when he admits that uses drugs to escape reality?
On a separate note – I'd like to hear a discussion on religion between Cupp and Gilette, I don't agree with their atheism but they seem to have at least given their 'Belief in Nothing' some thought.
I find it frightening that Bill Maher's world view also seems to disdain religion in nearly the exact same terms he disdains modern medicine, as if he considers today's physicians little better than witch doctors.
To quote G.K.Chesterton:
"If there were no God,there would be no atheists".
BM,proper initials for the pile he is,is such a little man.
So, the "Green movement" would be a religion. Hmmm…does that mean I can refuse to use those curlicue lightbulbs on religious grounds?
Is Maher a wannabe God? His hatred of religion makes me think he protests too much. He has cultivated an audience that seems to worship him. Could someone please interview them? Now that could be funny. Good article. Thanks for the history lesson.
Now the left makes perfect sense.
A "Belief System" of any kind is "religion" and all the world's evils are caused by "religion" (aka "belief systems") so in order to have a peaceful world we have to get rid of all belief systems and believe in nothing.
[insert John Lennon's Imagine here]
liberalism is a mental disorder(Dr. Michael Savage), Bill Maher is exibit A for the prosecution.
Maher–like Obama–can only hold his own when surrounded by sycophantic fans at staged events.
I really like that!
Got that right. Religion encapsulates the best we *feel* we're capable of being. Religions offer us all kinds of ways to try and *become* the best we're capable of being. But any religion that doesn't teach mankind's essential inability to achieve that perfection (at least without lots of help) is just a false idealism – completely divorced from reality. It's not the religion that sins, it's the sinners.
Well said. For a long time there has been a religious intensity in the lefts "belief", "preaching" and "passion" for killing babies, global warming…………and homosexual, bisexual and transexual practices. What is marriage but a religious ceremony, which they are fervently seeking? Years ago, the Sex Before Eight or It's Too Late" sickos proclaimed they would infiltrate every area of society including government, churches, clubs, and schools. Look who our president chose as the school safety and drug czar! Kevin Jennings who admired a avid proponent of sex with children! This guy has been given complete access to American children in schools. They haven't come out of the closet about sex with children yet, but as soon as our brains have been softened enough they will.
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I can't believe anyone watches Bill Moron! I remeber him saying outlandish things recently like: "we need a third party, the Progressive party", "now is a good time to be living in China", not to mention his baseless atacks on George Bush, John McCain, and especially Sarah Palin. What makes this libRETARD so appealing to anyone with even half a brain is beyond comprehension!. He has been a failure on every libRETARD undertaking from his movie to his politically libRETARDED slanted shows. Could it be he is an escapee from the same asylum that gave us garafalo, franken, matthews, OGREmann, madCOW, shultz, brewer, sanchez, and the other LOONS currently serving as czars in this administration? I would love to have seen SE rip him a new one. Too bad they didn't discuss women's issues too!
War is when somebody wants to take what somebody else has and others that say no you're not. Religion may make you feel that you have the right, but it is not the actual cause. Coveting and greed is.
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His birthplace is an unofficial shrine here in Philly.
History of human wars
I found this online-
The history of human warfare goes back to the beginning of recorded history (and, no doubt, well before that). A recent comprehensive compilation of the history of human warfare, Encyclopedia of Wars by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod documents 1763 wars, of which 123 have been classified to involve a religious conflict.3 So, what atheists have considered to be "most" really amounts to less than 7% of all wars. It is interesting to note that 66 of these wars (more than 50%) involved Islam, which did not even exist as a religion for the first 3,000 years of recorded human warfare
It's not about being "done" with him. He still has the opportunity to infect others with his lies and he makes a tidy sum from his job as a marxist propagandist. So really, it's not enough to ignore him–or to discredit him. He must be disenfranchised. Removed from his position of influence. Stripped of his ability to earn money from his dishonesty, and reduced to a social and economic staus befitting his lack of intelligence and moral bankruptcy. And the same should apply to all those that would attempt to destroy our culture, alter our history and abuse our liberties for their own evil ends. And make no mistake: Maher and his ilk are evil. They have sold their souls in exchange for worldly gain–and their job is to deliver as many additional souls to evil as they can. They traffic in lies, envy, hate and perversion… They poison everything they touch and they take delight in turning others to evil.
First of all, gotta say that I always enjoy seeing S.E. Cupp on Red Eye–and anywhere else, for that matter. Fellas, am I right? Fellas?
Second, I would actually agree up to a point with Maher. Communism (along with fascism, national socialism, and a slew of other modern political phenomena) could in fact be considered "state religions." What Maher fails to realize, however (or to admit), is that these "religions" were created by atheists, for atheists, or at least for atheistic purposes–namely, the perfection of man, a communal utopia, social justice, the end of true spiritual faith, etc. All of which are things Maher supports, if I'm not mistaken. Which raises the question: if these are in fact religions, as he says, does that mean he himself is not an atheist? Or does he truly have nothing to believe in? And what does that say about him?
Hate to disagree with you, Buckwheat–I can't stand the very mention of Maher, and I'm glad to see Rosie gone as well, but we can't ignore them completely. Unfortunately, these two creeps and others still have their trained seals, I mean fans, and they in turn still have access to a lot of microphones. So if we keep getting opportunities to show these individuals for the empty suits they are, at least until their reputations are kaput, I say we should take it.
Something to remember when the next "Liberal" mentions having a "conversation" is that "slogans" are no substitute when arguing with a clear thinker like S.E.Cupp. Cupp was actually gentle with the drug-addled Maher. Good for her.
Good idea re Red Eye. Gutfeld can do the primary pounding, assisted by Cupp or someone else, and Levy can do the mopping up. Sometimes I think he does a better job tearing up liberal talking points than Greg does (i.e. the AZ immigration law).
He can't help it, he was born that way.
Maher was just grasping at straws – he was publicly called out and embarrassed, and lashed out like a desperate cornered dog
Ooo, for levity…You may be a fellow traveler in the religion of exclamation points!
I know both you and Badcrow are correct but Putting him on BH is preaching to the chior, his fans won't swayed.
It is kind of like being sick of mowing the lawn: it has to be done, but i still reserve the right to complain having to do it.
..and it is so disappointing to find out that they really have no skills for reasoned discourse. They just end up calling us mean or a Nazi or something else because their illogic leaves them no room to argue.
Thanks for the useful factoid. It wasn't until recently that I began to argue the point about wars and religion. It never occurred to me to question it because I have heard it so many times when arguing about something else.
Personally, I use my powers of observation before I listen to the words. Maher looks angry, cranky and bitter, so he has little to offer me in the way of entertainment. His manner is ugly, and I turned him off years ago.
I loved his response,"Didn't you hear that?"
This man is having an intellectual discussion based on rumors of religion.
More baby-talk.
What about Bob Marley?
Atheists are good at blaming religion for a lot of the ills in the world, but they never mention how atheism has helped the world. I consider myself along the lines of a pro-Christian agnostic, but come on, you atheists, tell us:
Is there an Atheism Relief Agency helping out in Haiti? Is there an Atheism Relief Agency helping to clean the gulf coast of oil?
So tell us, Bill, what good has atheism done in the world?
He seems to be doing that more often these days. I wonder if he's getting pressured over poor ratings to open up more.
And if so, then we know the original business model was to only converse with morons.
I'm an engineer, the only Latin I know is what I pick up at Mass. What's it mean?
I won't watch or read his crap anymore. At least the Colbert report is entertaining and funny!
By that thinking so are tea parties religion.
Which means by promoting democrats, he's promoting government regulation of religion.
What a self-defeating argument for BM to put forward. By equating communism and fascism (two sides of the same coin) with religion, he is using "religion" to mean any ideology. Therefore, his attacks against religion are really attacks against any group that has a common perception of events and a common action plan to deal with them.
Where he defeats himself is that by trying to convince everyone to have the same perspective as him, he is, in effect, creating the same type of group that he claims has "relgious" status. Therefore, he is trying to create the same thing that he is condemning.
I may have to start watching his show. He is becoming more unstable and is being taken apart on a regular basis.
It's all he has. Just ask any of his girlfriends….. >:-)
It goes much farther than that. They have their Cathedrals and Shrines, Harvard, Yale, Kennedy Center. They have holy feast days, MLK Jr.'s Birthday (no disrespect meant to the memory of that great man), and they have their saints, Woodword & Bernstien, the Kennedys, FDR, etc.
If you ask me that's what drove Dan Rather over the edge, his manic desire to go down in history as a modern liberal saint.
I always thought that if Comrade Obama secured the border as well as he secured his staged events, he'd be a border-security hero. Fat chance.
If he can't find his butt from a hole in the ground, he ain't gonna find the road to Damascus…
Agreed. The main problem with modern liberals is they are convinced they know everything already, so there's no reason to attempt to learn more.
Couple that danger with political power and you see how we got where we are today.
If you ask me, I'm not entirely convinced Marx didn't just make it all up to get free beer from the taverns.
Start spinning his tale, people half drunk start listening, and as the beer flows, it starts making sense.
Which is the only way it makes any sense.
There is a reason that the followers of the Socialist Agenda are against Religion, Democracy and Free Markets. Each is an expression of free will, and recognizes that no individual or group can have total control over a population. These things are to the Socialist Agenda what water would be to the Wicked Witch of the West (or Helen Thomas).
He got run over and she made him like it.
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And primarily concerned with scoring.
I better get you some bubblegum…quick!
There isn't a chance in hell Mahar would dare step on the same stage as Colture or Gut. I can't believe he had the onions to take on S.E. Cupp.
That is better than Casus Belly…
I'm not impressed by the least by Stewart. He always falls back on the same shtick.
"I'm just a guy telling jokes."
Exhibit A.
Bill is in no threat of losing viewers… His viewers wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them in the face.
Agreed. Basically it comes down to "I already know everything, so there's reason for me to read, listen or learn."
“Were state religions."
I read that line and had to pause just like the panel did. You could practically hear the classic record scratch. Why does anyone watch this guy's show again?
Yes they have their trained seals, and they always will. Can't stop false prophets.
It's an insult to pictures.
I would agree with you up to a point. But to be considered a real religion, there has to be an element of something greater than humanity. It could be argued that government itself fills that roll.
But I don't believe government is greater than humanity. Since it's a human invention, by definition its imperfect.
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