Still The Land Of Fruits And Nuts
by Burt PrelutskyBecause California, and Hollywood in particular, have been the punch line for so many jokes over the years, I suspect that people who don’t live out here assume we can’t possibly be that wacky. They don’t know the half of it.
In order for you to better understand what conservatives in this neck of the woods have to deal with, I’ll relate a few typical incidents. The first took place about 10 years ago. My wife and I were invited to a dinner party by the widow of a screenwriter who’d been my longtime tennis partner. We were one of six couples. Which meant that, counting the hostess, there were 13 of us sitting around after dinner. I recall thinking at the time that this is how superstitions come to be perpetuated.
All the men in the group were in show business. As we were all either writers, directors or producers, it was probably inevitable that somebody would bring up Charlton Heston’s name, and in a negative manner. At the time, after all, Mr. Heston had just become the president and spokesman for the NRA, and was garnering a great deal of national attention.
Although I had never met Mr. Heston, we had exchanged a number of congenial letters. So when one of the guys at the party made an insulting remark about him, I naturally took umbrage. But knowing that my wife is always nervous about my ability to turn a minor skirmish into an all-out war, all I said in Heston’s defense was, “Well, whether or not you agree with him, you have to admit he’s got guts.”
The way the other guests reacted, you’d have thought I’d said something along the lines of, “For all his faults, you have to admit that Hitler dressed well and had good table manners.” They were simply outraged.
As I wanted to be certain I hadn’t been misunderstood, I added, “I’m not saying you have to agree with Heston’s point of view. All I’m saying is that, as a working actor, it takes a great deal of courage to be openly conservative in a town where most of the people in a position to hire him are obviously liberals.”
In the end, I could not get a single person, aside from my wife, to acknowledge that, whether or not you agreed with the man’s politics, you had to grant that he had the courage of his convictions.
That evening provided me with one of my more enlightening epiphanies. I had long been aware that left-wingers were on the wrong side of every issue I cared about, but dealing with those 11 weasels confirmed that they lacked even the modicum of honesty required to give a decent man his due.
The next incident took place quite recently. The WGA hosted a reunion lunch for all the “MASH” writers. There were two large tables filled with us old duffs. Over coffee, one of the fellows at my table announced that he had recently canceled his subscription to the L.A. Times. That grabbed my attention, and I said, “Really, Gene? I always thought you were a liberal.”
“What makes you think I’m not?”
“Well, I’m a conservative, so it would make sense for me to cancel that rag. But why did you?”
“Because the Times has gotten too damn conservative!”
Two interesting things then took place. First my jaw hit the floor. Next, the writer who had been seated between us for the entire lunch turned to glower at me, and said, “You’re really a conservative?”
As soon as I admitted I was, he got up and walked away so quickly, you might have thought I’d acknowledged being a leper.
But his glower was nothing compared to the sneer I was getting from Gene. “How can you be a conservative?”
I wasn’t sure if what confused him the most was how I could possibly be a conservative if I was Jewish or a humorist or a former “MASH” writer or simply dare to be in his immediate proximity. But all I said was, “It’s easy. I think conservatives are right and liberals are wrong.”
“Wrong about what?”
“Well, Iraq, for one thing. I believe we were right to invade, to topple Saddam Hussein, and to stick around and make certain the bad guys don’t win. I’m sure even you wouldn’t want to see the Islamics using Iraqi oil revenue to fund worldwide terrorism.”
“And how long do you think we should stay there?”
“As long as it takes. For crying out loud, we still have troops in Korea half a century later. Heck, it’s been over 60 years since the end of World War II and we still maintain a military presence in Germany and Japan. What’s the big rush to get out of Iraq?”
“In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve lost 4,000 soldiers over there!”
“Nobody regrets that more than I do, but I’ll remind you that we used to lose more than that in a single battle. The difference is that in those days, we didn’t have a bunch of people like you insisting that our soldiers had died for no good reason. The fact is, the men and women we conservatives call heroes, people like you, John Kerry and others on the left call dupes.”
With that, he pointed his finger in my face and announced, with eyes blazing and spittle flying in my direction, “You’re George Bush!”
“And you, Gene, are an idiot.”
“Don’t you dare call me an idiot! I didn’t call you names.”
“Of course you did. When you call me George Bush, we both know that’s your idea of the ultimate obscenity. Compared to that, calling you an idiot is almost a compliment.”
What made Gene’s outrage over my lack of decorum so amusing is that I knew something that he didn’t know I knew. Back in 2001, you see, shortly after the presidential inauguration, a friend of mine and his wife were invited to a Hollywood cocktail party. By the time they arrived, most of the other guests had gathered in the living room. As the two of them entered, one of the guests proudly announced, “Well, I, personally, don’t know a single a–hole who voted for George Bush.” At which point, my friend said, “Well, you do now.”
The fellow who felt entitled to make that public announcement in a room with ladies and maybe even a few conservatives present was none other than Gene.




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Yes, and to fully pull on that chain, Hitler had guts too.
Oh, and by the way, to die for a lie of a cause, whether you believe the lie or not, doesn’t mean you actually did protect anyone in America. You just displayed a lack of understanding in real human Christianity and perpetuated a stereotype.
You may not be an idiot in terms of intellect but foolish, yes. History has proven not voting for Bush was right. (And yes, he was never elected that first time and that’s a wrong that must some day be redressed. Upset about that still? Youbetchya! Get over it? No – look at your retirement account and see why. The list goes on.) So, go on, go to another country that needs you (America doesn’t) like Russia and reform them into another wasteland like America might end up if neo-cons continue to hold any sway whatsoever.
Sir,
I know, from what you said, that you think we can continue to wage wars and keep giving great tax breaks to the rich, too bad for you. The country is broken and George Bush and Dick had much to do with breaking it, as I hope you know now. There is no justifying this war or the shape this country is in, you and your “column” just seem to continue the attacks on others who don’t agree with you and there is never any healing or bipartisanship in you or Ann Coulter’s miserable lives…enough is enough! Please keep your high and mighty tone to yourself and the rest of your right wing nut jobs..speaking of fruits and nuts…you live where?
Burt, I found your essay humorous and entertaining, as well as bittersweet. I think all conservatives all know what it’s like to stand, open mouthed, as a person we thought was intelligent and good-natured goes off on a rant like a brownshirt throwing rocks through store windows.
I enjoyed MASH as a child because it was all about people dealing with an impossible situation. That show lasted longer than the actual Korean war, as I recall. That’s a real accomplishment, and I salute you.
GMKNOBL,
“History has proven not voting for Bush was right.” How you can expect to be taken seriously by anyone when you make a statement like this about a President who hasn’t even left office yet? Stating opinion as fact without any evidence to back it up is a rotten way to persuade others. Also, resorting to ridiculous hyperbole like calling America a “wasteland” is another example of shoddy thinking that calls your judgment into question.
Bert, thank you for the interesting insights to the Hollywood Progressive mindlessness…and flash here comes GMKNOBL to buttress your account.
I am loving the BigHollywood site. Please keep up the good work folks, reality is about to impinge on the clueless left, we have only begun to fight for our country!
It’s amusing to read GMKNOBL’s comment. He has exclusive knowledge of what “real human Christianity” is; obviously, the greatest sacrifice in this version of Christianity is not to lay down one’s life for one’s neighbor. And, of course, “History has proven not voting for Bush was right.” I wonder what “History” was that? And not only that “History”, Bush is responsible for your retirement account, too!
Burt, you have a long road to go with our country, which largely has lost the ability to analyze facts and resorts to ad hominem attacks when in disagreement with you.
How quickly the libs jump to get a comment in! It’s like they’re watching…
Strange that a lib would speak of chains…aren’t those the tools of liberalism? Why don’t you want to choose freedom for once?
Oh, and how many tired, repeatedly de-bunked talking points can one lib cram into one comment?
Don’t forget, GMKNOBL, that Hitler was a LIBERAL. And old man Kennedy backed him.
Great column, Burt; stay gutsy!
Gosh, Bert, I was really with you but the first two commenters made me change my mind. If only we had spent the last 7 years with higher taxes – especially on people who might have money to invest in productive jobs, less liberty, even larger government, more regulation, a more conciliatory approach to the people who want us destroyed, and an expensive cult-like faith in trying to legislate the weather, our problems would have been solved. And we’d be loved and respected by Hollywood too? Oh, how could I have been so blind!
Its funny these people bring up Hitler. You know Hitler wasn’t even Saddam’s big hero, Stalin was. GMKnoble I don’t know if you are Catholic but even so you may want to crack open the ideas of the Just War Theory as aspoused by Saint Augustine. Now I know you believe that somehow you are more compassionate and a bigger Christian than the rest of us but a little advice didn’t Jesus say something about those who believed they were rightious in the end getting theirs? Just a little caution next time you question someone elses Faith. Kind of an important thing for a “christian” like you to think about.
I find a lack of knowledge in these Hollywood leftists about Iraq, about our own history to be stunning. I know I went to school, I studied, I have a degree however what is wrong with them if they all did the same things? Maybe they didn’t learn to think critically, if so where did their schools fail? Did they merely want to be IN? What does that mean anyway? If a person wants to be IN does that person have to worship Paris Hilton, hang on every thing Sean Penn says and crawl on their hands and knees to a Streisand soiree? And am I missing something or is film making an ART? If so where is the free flow of ideas? Thats what keeps an art form alive is it not? Now I am speaking as a person looking happily right now from the outside in and I gotta say a lot of the movies out there are not worth the money to see them. I saw three movies at the theater last year: The Dark Knight, Sex and the City, and Prince Caspian. 3, and I had once been a movie a week viewer. Now I want people in the film industry to ask where they lost me and MILLIONS like me?
It is so great to see so many liberal folks coming here to comment…most everything they say adds a powerful and tangible example to the writers assessment of them…
I think that BH is making the left uncomfortable…I’m going to make more popcorn and sit back and enjoy!
Actually, I think history has proven that Bush was right! Thank goodness we didn’t listen to the lefties that pollute these comment threads, 25+ million people would be in bondage, but we wouldn’t have offended our liberal friends’ delicate sensibilities! Just remember when you hear about liberated Iraq, democracy on the march and our success… Not In Their Name!
M.A.S.H. was a great show. I’d like to see some network greenlight one today that would make folks in the military look like such fun people. Even thought they are, it won’t happen, and that makes Gene’s point about the town.
Oops, meant it makes Burt’s point, sorry.
The story of Gene gives a great insight into one of the problems that progressives often display. He has no concept of time, no big picture. To forget why he voted for Bush, to forget your entire history as friends and colleagues, to forget basic etiquette and civility, requires a singular focus on salient concerns rather than a comprehensive look at the world and its history.
The best times in life comes after you realize that all people are not worth your time.
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ~ Winston Churchill
Fun column, thanks Burt, keep up the good work – across all the posts here so far, it’s amazing how quickly the libs are chiming in (with their usual non-sensical talking points) – it’s almost as if they’re on the defensive for some reason. Maybe they’re a little worried that all of a sudden they’re actually going to have to be responsible for things around here, instead of just spending all their time complaining and comparing people to Hitler…
From an article in the online-only newspaper New York Times, published on January 1, 2090.
It’s hard to imagine this now, but while he was in office, George W. Bush was considered by many of his critics the worst United States President in history. The 44th US President, liberator of 60 million citizens in Iraq and Afghanistan, focal point of a unique dual-nation national holiday on Bush’s birthday, and the man responsible for the birth of democratic ideals which have now spread throughout the Middle and Near east, suffered abuse from critics in the media comparable only to that suffered by America’s 16th president, Abraham Lincoln. Although their leadership styles where vastly different, and they were two very different kinds of men, they shared similar circumstances in that they presided over wars that were initially backed by large majorities of the American public who then turned upon them both with unprecedented savagery when the wars dragged on inconclusively for several years. Virtually alone, both men prosecuted their wars to ultimate victory, with enormous long-term successful consequences for all three nations.
Lincoln, of course, had much the harder job. The American Civil War ultimately cost the nation 650,000 lives, 2% of her population, an equivalent of 8 million lives today. The total American deaths in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan stood at just over 5,000 at the close of major hostilities in 2009. It became public knowledge at the end of his term in office that Bush personally visited with the families of fully a quarter of the war’s fatalities, personally composed and signed letters of condolence to the families of each soldier lost, and quietly visited the wounded in military hospitals hundreds of times. This exacted an enormous emotional toll on the 44th president, and almost certainly contributed to his death of heart disease three years into the one term-presidency of his successor, Barack Obama.
The addition of Bush’s visage to that of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan is expected to be completed in time for the celebration of Bush’s 150th birthday on July 6th, 2096.
I spent 35-years in the movie business as a writer, almost always employed,
recently retired and moved to a horse ranch in the low desert, a hundred
miles and light years away from Hollywood. I don’t miss it one bit, exactly
because of the reasons Mr. Bean so deftly stated.
Charlton Heston starred in the very first movie I ever had produced. He was
always, always a gentlemen to me, and all those around him, and never, EVER
tried to shove his own personal politics or beliefs down my/our throat.
If the Hollywood crowd’s best self-interest was to be flaming right wingers,
believe me, they would be marching lockstep down Wilshire Blvd. praising
George Bush, Ronald Reagan and Dick Nixon.
Good men, and women, have given their lives for them to have the right to
hold and express their beliefs and opinions, no matter how much I may disagree
with them, without fear of that knock on the door in the middle of the night.
In 1926, when Jack Warner’s brothers were trying to convince him to take their
studio into the sound age of films, he said probably more than he knew when he retorted: “Who in the hell wants to hear an actor talk?”
Never more true than today…
Jim Whittaker
Hemet, CA
To GMKNOBL and Michael Richardson,
The current financial mess this country finds itself in can be traced directly back to the Democrats in Congress when they okayed sub-prime mortgages, allowing those who could not afford houses to buy them. The Bush administration tried, unsuccessfully, in 2003 to place some limits on these mortgages. However, Congress ignored the warnings, some senators and representatives got sweetheart deals from the mortgage companies involved, and the rest, as they say, is history. It is absolutely amazing to me how the Bush administration is blamed for this debacle, when they were sending warning signals to Congress. Of course, the main stream media never reported it as such. Mores the pity. Keep up the good work, get the truth out. These are certainly interesting times.
“gmknobl – January 9th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Yes, and to fully pull on that chain, Hitler had guts too.”
Nice. So Charton Heston is to be compared to Hitler.
What sort of frackin’ jerk doesn’t know about Mr Heston’s rather famous efforts on behalf of the Civil Rights’ movement in the 1960s?
A man who remained happily married to the same woman for over 65 years.
Liberalism is all about prejudice, and like all prejudices, it does not yield to reason. Liberalism cannot be wrong, regardless of the facts. Case in point is man made global warming. It makes no difference what the facts are.
Thank you Burt. Your reminisces reminded me of many a dinner party in my own life. The blank stare of amazement one gets from questioning a liberal or telling one that you’re a conservative is all too familiar. So is getting cursed at or left suddenly alone!
I have to say Big Hollywood has started off with more of a bang than I could ever have expected! Keep up the good work!
I just read your article, Mr. Prelutsky, and of course immediately continued down to the comments. I think Big Hollywood has truly “made it” because it is obviously on the radar of simpleton liberal trolls trying to hi-jack the comments.
I love your anecdotes and your insight. Keep it up!
Thanks for the stories. I can’t imagine Hollywood changing sorry to say. I think there are just too many Americans lead by Hollywood wanting a Euro-Nanny-Type State. They don’t know or don’t care that America was founded to escape the tyranny of government (taxation & religion) & the power-over-people of Kings (dictators). They desire or fall-for charismatic leaders like Clinton & Obama, highly regulated economics (taxation & litigation) and thought-police-like control over the masses (media/entertainment as religion). If you could transport them back in time, they’d be the same wig wearing bum-lickers of King George’s court.
Wow, I love the quick leap to Hitler. This is always the favorite Hob-goblin of the simple mind for an argument on either side. However, as a socialist Hitler would be much closer to your Messiah, Barry, “ boy can he spin a line, Obama. George Bush has made some mistakes, the bailout, drug benefit, immigration, and trying to get along with the, “I want my mommy crowd, Liberal Dummicrats. These raging malcontents left to us courtesy of the 60’s are left simmering in a vile stew who’s stench now threatens the greatest country in the world. Keep up the good work, Burt. Your article gave me a laugh.
Mr. Prelutsky – my admiration for your courage and my condolences you must exhibit it in a business which is the epitome of its lack.
My condolences also that you must submit yourself to the whining obfuscation of leftist trolls who nip at your righteous heels like overfed poodles. It makes it worse when the poodles reveal their breathtaking absence of reality by attacking a President whose motto is to attack the enemy and instead electing one who wants to hug them.
Keep up the good work, Mr. Prelutsky – with fools like that in Hollywood, this country needs you very much!
(And damn, I miss Mr. Heston. Oh, I really really miss him.)
Who got paid off for allowing foreign interests to buy and close our factories??
Dems, GOP, they are all self serving crooks and we should fire or imprison them all.
That said Burt, it is WRONG to attack someone for their political ideas no matter how far those ideas may be from your own. I am sorry this happened to you. Perhaps it is the company you are keeping.
So Jim you need a trainer? I’m a fair hand with horses.
Big Hollywood is now in my favs. Burt, you are a gem of humor on the left. I too live in Kalifornia with the girlyman Gov and his court of jesters. Your experiences parallel mine. I wear a Palin tee shirt to the mall just to see the reaction. It also serves as a shield as most shoppers flee and won’t even acknowlege my presence. An Al Qeida terrorist with an AK couldn’t have cleared the mall faster. The ones that stay usually end up by turning beet red and exploding in a rant about Bush and Palin as I just smile and nod. It is the best entertainment for the money a conservative can get in KA. Sunday, I had to leave Nordstrom’s because I upset their customers and staff so badly with my shirt. This site proves BDS is an enduring liberal desease. I just read the thread, and I must say I am impressed by the depth of mental desease liberals bring to the party. My question is do we have an antedote?
Still waiting for Evan Sayet to chime in on BH. (Are you out there Evan?) His Heritage Foundation talk on How Liberals Think is a must watch for everyone. That’s right: e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e. Period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
Thanks for speaking out Mr. Prelutsky.
BTW: Loved M.A.S.H., especially Frank Burns. I expect President Obama will derisevly laugh when he sits at the desk in the Oval Office and push over Bush’s nameplate like Frank did whenever he was (thank God temporarily placed) in command! I also expect that when Obama is faced with a crisis he will act like Frank did and blow up the ammo dump instead of shooting down Five O’Clock Charlie!
Hey Burt,
If you are wondering how I chose my screen name, it is the initial verbal reaction by those libeals when seeing my Palin tee shirt. Good for a belly laugh every time! HeHe!
Burt,
First off, I’m 26 and one of my strongest childhood memories is watching MASH reruns with my dad (a NAM vet) growing up. It was a great show!
Anyway, I couldn’t agree with the basis of your piece more. As I’ve gotten older and been more vocal with my conservative beliefs I’ve come to the sad conclusion that it is rarely worth even trying to debate with a liberal because they almost never have the intellectual honesty to actually hold a civil conversation with them. They completely lack any ability to recognize any truth, even when presented with facts, and therefore can and will not ever cede a point. It just turns into talking to a wall. You’ll make an argument, back it with facts and then they’ll just throw out some P.O.S. rebuttal, that if they had listened, they would realize was dis proven by information you’d just given in the statement they are responding to.
It’s mind numbing.
I don’t support left-wing radicals in the movie industry. In fact the last movie I took my kids to was “The Love Bug.” And the last movie I saw before that was “True Grit.” And they just don’t make movies like they used to.
I wait until the movies come out on TV, and by they I’ve heard all the good, bad and ugly about them before I make up my mind to watch them.
I was a lurker on Dirty Harry and am enjoying the new site. Mr. Prelutsky’s piece resonates with me too, as I’ve been in that kind of situation, both personally–with both family and friends–and professionally, numerous times. This despite my general tendency to keep my views to myself. As discussed, even a mild disagreement with the liberal/left agenda can trigger a firestorm! I was once even slammed in a year-end performance appraisal by my manager for my views (although it had no affect, as far as I know, on the bottom line).
On a separate issue,, according to the All About Eve DVD commentary (which I briefly wrote about at http://ingeneralcounsel.blogspot.com), Joseph L. Mankiewicz became a “super Republican,” at least in his later years. Wonder if anyone has any further information on that issue.
After just watching the impeached Governor of Illinois’ (Rod Blagojevich) news conference, I thought “Still the land of fruit and nuts” might be about Illinois. We have delusional people too.
Burt: “Well, Iraq, for one thing. I believe we were right to invade, to topple Saddam Hussein, and to stick around and make certain the bad guys don’t win. I’m sure even you wouldn’t want to see the Islamics using Iraqi oil revenue to fund worldwide terrorism.”
Gene: “SNOT! SNOT! SNOT!”
That Gene Reynolds(?) sounds like a real “peach” of a guy.
That Hollywood is a liberal cesspool is beyond doubt, and the sterling examples of liberal intolerance given in this article ring true on many different levels. In my own life, I’ve often been taken aback at the eye bulging vehemence which liberals exhibit whenever I’ve voiced an opinion that doesn’t agree with the current libbie dogma. I’ve even encountered this stinkeye treatment even from members of my own family. It’s not totally unexpected but still deeply disturbing when you encounter it, almost as if you’ve had a close encounter with a rattlesnake while on a walk in the woods. You know the snakes are out there, but it still shocks the dickens out of you when you see one up close and personal.
PS: Charlton Heston was a giant in the entertainment industry, an honest to goodness gentleman with more talent, courage, and fortitude than any of the self-absorbed Hollywood whippets like George Clooney who still snipe at him even as he rests in his grave.
I’d just like to mention that I, who usually post as gmk, or lately as Ford prefect, and whose real name is Gerard M. Knorr, is NOT gmknobl. I wonder how the heck that poster got so close to the rest of my last name. Weird.
Your old friend Gene reminds me of my friend Ray that I had to stop talking to. My ex-friend works in a high-tech manufacturing industry and is remarkably bright. But those spittle-flecked diatribes are all to familiar to me– and I became his stand-in for Bush too. It seems like mental illness to me, that or somehow there’s a bundle of circuitry that they’re missing from birth or something along those lines. You just can’t get through, it’s all hormones and rage and self-righteousness.
Thank you for the article, Burt. Great read!
To all you whining leftists. Oh crap! No offensive smilies! LOL
The thing that truly amazes me about modern Hollywood’s hatred of Chuck Heston is that they completely ignore or forget that he marched with Dr. King and opposed the Vietnam War (on principles, not like most hippies who opposed the war because they were to pussified to serve in the military) — (to defuse any potential chickenhawk argument from lefties, I served in the Army National Guard and did a year tour in Iraq in ‘05) and hate him because of his 2nd Amendment and religious beliefs.
These people who post anti-conservative screeds on this and other conservative sites cannot possibly be REAL liberals, can they? I mean come on! Nobody with two neurons connecting is that delusional. They must be some conservative shills trying to make the left look unhinged, irrational, and really really stupid, right?
Right?
Some “inside baseball” from a retired State Department acquaintance:
If you think being a conservative in Hollywood is a surreal trip through career minefields and fevered ultra liberal minds, you should try expressing conservative views in the corridors of Foggy Bottom, even when a conservative administration was in power (I’m told the atmosphere now is as though it is already the Obama Presidency). Then it was difficult. During the Clinton Administration and now in the coming years, it was and will be career suicide.
The consequences are nowhere near as open and blatant as the conversations you describe above, but the subtlety and cunning with which they retaliate is lethal.
So much for the kind of civil debate and open discourse that is so necessary to understand issues as fully as possible and which is crucial to making informed decisions.
Read “The Failure Factory” by Tim Gertz. He’s pretty close to the mark.
I would have responded to GMKNOBL but I think you guys have handled him well more than he is worth. The irony of Hollywood who “endured” the McCarthy era, running a similar campaign of isolationism against those whose views differ with theirs is maddening, and really only serves to make one think Joe might have been right all along.
Great article Mr. Prelutsky. I remember seeing your name in the opening credits. You are a brave man to stand up for what you believe, especially when your career is in the hands of leftist spittle heaving maniacs.
If it helps at all, where I live, on the opposite coast, about your same lattitude, in South Carolina, there is a large contingent of sane individuals who believe in God and Country. About 30 minutes north of me there is Parris Island Marine Corps Depot, and Marine Corps Airstation Beaufort. Many fine veterans there. Thirty minutes to my south, in Savannah, GA, there is the 3rd Infantry Combat Brigade and Hunter Army Airfield. Our air traffic here on Hilton Head Is. is F-18’s, Chinook and Apache helicopters, C-130’s and so on. The “noise” we hear is the sound of freedom.
About 2 years ago there was an anti-war protest on the island, it lasted until several vehicles of young men, Corps veterans all, stopped their vehicles, and stood in front of the protesters and stated “We lost some really good friends to give you this right, don’t waste it.” The protest disbanded immediately.
It goes to show, if liberals are confronted with the light of the truth, they will cower and run. Just make sure the truth has USMC or ARMY on its shirt.
MICHAEL RICHARDSON spat. “There is no justifying this war or the shape this country is in, you and your “column” just seem to continue the attacks on others who don’t agree with you and there is never any healing or bipartisanship in you or Ann Coulter’s miserable lives…enough is enough! Please keep your high and mighty tone to yourself and the rest of your right wing nut jobs..speaking of fruits and nuts…you live where?”
Gotta love it when liberals talk about ‘healing’ and ‘bipartisanship’ in the same breath they use to call people ‘nut job’.
Healing my a55, they only want bipartisanship when it is their own liberal cronies in power. Obama could mirror every single one of Bush’s policies, and the media and lefties would justify it and spin it until their tongues twisted into a thousand knots.
Liberals worship at the alter of idealogy, no matter what the enforcement of that idealogy does to their fellow man. Case in point – England banning traditional light bulbs recently in favor of mercury-laden ‘eco-bulbs’ despite that they’ve been proven to cause health problems for those suffering from epilepsy and migraines. Sucks to be them, apparently.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5461364.ece
What would be really nice is to have commentary from the Left and Right that actually used facts to debate issues like grownups (yeah, and we’d like honest government here in Chicago). I like how the first post out of the gate is a Liberal who says it’s “factual” that history proves a vote for Bush was wrong. Then he spits out the tired, “Bush didn’t really win” nonsense (completely ignoring facts, including the newspapers that did a hand recount of the entire state after the election), and finishes it off with “The financial meltdown is Bush’s fault,” again ignoring facts like Barney Frank’s attacks on anyone seeking to strengthen regulation on the industry.
There are plenty of points to be made about mistakes in this administration and arguments about Conservative philosophy. Unfortunately, I’m still waiting to hear from the Liberal commentator who can do it with facts and at the same time avoid sounding like a testosterone driven teenager. Come on people….is this really the best you can do?
At one time to be Liberal was to be generous, as in a liberal donation to an orphanage, and most importantly the generosity was given freely without the thought of self aggrandizement. At one time a “Liberal Education” a deep knowledge of the classics of Western Civilization; history, philosophy,literature and the arts. One could be called Liberal if you believed in the ideas of personal liberty, to own your own soul and if need be, to stand alone for what you thought was true and good. Once, a Liberal was an individual, but no longer.
Now a liberal is miserly, any act of “charity” only counts if the “giver” is seen doing it and they fully expect to reap a personal benefit from the act. Now a degree in ” the his(her)story of trans-gender performing arts and its impact on literary philosophy of the late twentieth century” is considered a “liberal education”. To be a liberal today is to believe that only the “State” has the wisdom to dictate an individual’s life (as long as they are not that individual). Now if you stand alone and speak out you can not be a liberal, for liberals only stand in groups and only if the press is there to cover it. No longer are liberals “free-thinkers” now they are simply herd animals.
Today the only true “Liberals” that live in this Country now call themselves Conservative. Since it is our purpose to conserve Liberty.
Charlton Heston was such a man. Anyone that would speak ill of Charlton Heston is a cud-chewing, nostril licking, sexual neuter that walks upright and whose baaing and mooing is misheard as speech. So says I.
I completely get what Bert is saying. I too live in a very liberal area where even the slightest conservative thought dared to be uttered can leave you verbally neck slashed. I did not realize how bad it was until I had my own Moment of realization with a liberal friend of mine. A week or so before the 2004 election and after a lot of tension between the two of us over unspoken political thoughts, I decided to try to find a connection – a half way point we could agree on and help to keep our friendship alive. I said “well come what may, Kerry or Bush, I will accept the results of the election and move forward. If Kerry is my president – so be it. I may not agree with him, but I won’t be rudely against him. I want to turn a new page here. Can you?” She “I will never accept that (insert some of the ugliest things here)George Bush.” With that, she turned and left my yard. 2 months later, after her husband and she came for dinner – post election, her husband decided he would tell my husband what sort of idiot faithful Christians are. I would have buttoned my lip for politeness. My husband, not so much. She moved the following month. Sad.
I did not vote for Obama, but you can be sure that I want the very best for him and I want him to be and do the best he can and I want him to succeed. I may not agree with him, but he is MY president.
One more thing. Burt wrote a column some time back entitled “Letter To a Young Relative”. I loved this column! It was very timely for me. My niece was giving up band because she thought it hurt her socially. I mailed the letter to Danny to her. It got us talking about how important it is to be yourself and about what a great kid she is. So far so good. She is still in band! Thank you for laying it out for her Burt. Way better than I could have.
http://townhall.com/columnists/BurtPrelutsky/2008/09/29/letter_to_a_young_relative?page=full
Bert – let me congratulate you on your work as a screenwriter. I think one of the most difficult jobs has to be a screenwriter for a TV series. You have to be good, quick, and you did it for 11 years. Many series started out great and fell due to the pressures of trying to get good screenwriting week after week and year after year.
As far as Mr Heston he was one of the few true Hollywood icons. He was a decent and good person regardless of one’s politics.
I find it curious how conservatives can, as a rule, separate a person from his politics while the liberals – at least in Hollywood, judge a person solely on his politics.
Contrast how conservatives viewed another icon, Paul Newman, vs how the left in Hollywood viewed Charlton Heston.
If I could buy intellectual lightweights like GMKNOBL for how smart they are, and sell them for how smart they think they are, I could retire to my own tropical island.
“he was never elected that first time and that’s a wrong that must some day be redressed” As everyone knows if you want to find out what is really going on you ask the taxi or hotel van driver. When the Bush/Gore results were being settled in Florida, I asked a hotel van driver in West Palm his opinion. “Listen, do you think a seventy year old blue hair who can run fifteen bingo cards at one time cannot figure out a punch ballot ? The democrats are trying to steal this thing !” Great writing here !!
Good for you. Heston was amazingly brave to be who he was in that pit called Hollywood. Liberals are the more closed minded and fascist than any conservative republicans I know. While preaching “diversity” and “open-mindedness” they just shut down when any opposing views are presented. There is no room for any other viewpoint. Now that’s hardly “liberal” at all in my opinion.
“I know, from what you said, that you think we can continue to wage wars and keep giving great tax breaks to the rich, too bad for you.”
Are you saying that Democrat Party financiers Oprah Winfrey, George Clooney, Barbara Streisand, Whoopie Goldberg, David Geffen, Ron Howard, Tom Hanks, Bruce Springsteen, Puff Daddy, and the multitude of rich entertainers are evil for not paying enough in taxation?
And, for your information we are not waging war, we are defending ourselves from a barbaric enemy which is determined to destroy both America and Israel by every means necessary; if you are unwilling to defend Liberty then you deserve none.
Heston was a fine man and a fine actor. I noticed he spoke well of people who did not agree with him. Others should follow suit.
GMKNOBL – If you want to see how history actually examines and evaluates a presidency, read Doris Kearns Goodwin’s masterpiece, “A Team of Rivals – The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln.”
The parallels between Lincoln’s virulent opponents then and the nasty, savage tone of Bush’s opponents now are so similar it is almost eerie.
The behavior of the “Copperhead Democrats” of Lincoln’s era that Goodwin documents was not only reprehensible, it was traitorous. I believe history will treat those in Congress who have recently actively subverted our war effort in a similar fashion. It’s just too bad you and the others so quick to condemn Bush’s decisions won’t be around to experience the humiliation of history’s verdict.
As has been mentioned in comments above, Lincoln was vilified and hated by significant numbers of the population. Bush is no Lincoln as his tortured syntax so often demonstrates; but, he stuck to his guns instead of wavering with public opinion polls as did Clinton and we all know how effective Clinton was in fighting Al Qaeda and preventing their continued murders of our citizens.
Bush has aggressively pursued those who would like to kill us all, to the horror of the left, in such areas as wiretapping and “torture” that more closely approximates fraternity initiations than the real torture McCain and others experienced at the hands of the “peace-loving North Vietnamese.”
When you fight an asymmetrical war, you have to match many of your enemies’ tactics to succeed. Go to British military history accounts of their fight against us in the Revolutionary War to see how sticking to the playbook and the European model of “gentlemen’s’ warfare” failed them.
Lincoln’s far more egregious trampling of the Constitution produced an even more explosive reaction from his contemporary opponents. He threw out Habeas Corpus, kidnapped half the Maryland Legislature to prevent them from voting for secession, drafted a public relations masterpiece but a de facto fraud in The Emancipation Proclamation, and perpetrated many more underhanded deeds all out of necessity. If you want another good take on the politics of Lincoln’s administration and the tone of the times, read William Safire’s “Freedom,” a somewhat pedestrian historical novel but full of fascinating historical research.
Had Lincoln been saddled with the kind of wimpy liberal burdens with which Bush now has to contend, especially in Congress, it is likely our Union would have failed.
GMKNOBL, I believe you are one of the spiritual descendents of the Copperhead Democrats – go look them up. Among other things, they and even their more centrist Democrat brethren supported the continuation of slavery to avoid forcing the issue with the South. This is something that doesn’t seem to get much press these days, just as we hear virtually nothing about the fact that Lincoln’s Republican Party was the party of abolition (read: “real human rights”).
Regarding the current economic trauma and our 201-K’s – I hope mine eventually restores itself to its original 401-K status – history is already examining Barney Frank’s and Christopher Dodd’s, among others’, central roles in producing the subprime meltdown and is finding them culpable in spite of the massive cover-up the Democrats are trying to perpetrate as we now speak. Republicans as far back as 1995 tried to reverse the dismantling of objective credit standards but were sidelined by mostly Democrats who sold our financial stability for votes.
Here are a couple of links you can examine to learn what reality in this case is. In one of them, someone with impeccable liberal credentials, Economics Nobel Laureate Stanley Kurtz, frankly states that liberals’ push for lowered credit standards derailed our economy:
http://townhall.com/columnists/DianaWest/2008/10/02/social_engineering_derailed_our_economy?page=1
Another wonderful article, “Shouting Fannie in a Crowded Congress,” documents how conservative congressmen in 1995 tried and failed to staunch the momentum of stupidity in abandoning proven credit formulae. The factual record already provides historians with all they need to demonstrate just how disgracefully our liberal political establishment behaved in trading our economic stability for votes:
http://www.wsj.com/article/SB122394164409530901.html?mod=most_viewed_opinion24
GMKNOBL, you need to do much better research if you are going to come here and take on informed people.
Interesting. This must be the reunion, eh? Yes, I see only the one “Gene” in attendance:
http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2008/03/mash-writers-reunion.html
I just had a sample of this kind of knee-jerk idiocy from an otherwise supposedly smart guy, in the workplace this past week (not Hollywood. Yet!) Preparing for a meeting I had my Windows desktop image up on “The Big Board” in a conference room. I had just switched it back to the an image of that great overhead shot of the “War Room” set Kubrick had built for Dr. Strangelove. A certain dorkus-malorkus exec (Picture Ned Flanders without the pecs.) saw it and faked like he didn’t know the director. (Guy admits to being a “former” card-carrying red. So we know *everything* is a lie.) In the spirit of productive-worker-to-vacuous-exec relations I relayed the anecdote I had heard about Reagan, when he got to the White House first thing he asked was “Where’s the War Room?” thinking of Kubrick’s set, when there was no such thing. “What an idiot,” Ned said, which he probably says whenever he hears the name Reagan. They have never forgiven him for winning the Cold War. Never will.
Oh, and Charlton Heston. An amazing fellow.
To: gmknobl and Michael Richardson
You dear sirs, are the very reason thinking people have moved away from finding liberals to be mildly amusing, crystal wearing, granola munching outdated hippies whose belief systems elicited an occasional chuckle and head-shake.
That more and more people are seeing and speaking out against liberals for their real agenda as hateful, bigoted creatures, hazardous to any society their beliefs touch. Unworthy of a single member of our military laying down their life defending should give one pause to consider their belief systems. Conservatives consider you to be an enemy of America, and for good reason.
America a wasteland? American infinitely bad? Conservatives fruits and nuts?
A wasteland is Afghanistan, a country taken over, happily, by a fanatical religious group who takes pride in stoning women for being raped while gleefully putting homosexuals to death and where a woman walking in public without a approved chaperone is at best imprisoned and at worst executed for her crime.
The Taliban still have a solid foothold on the country and major support from its citizens. Need you be reminded that the Taliban is a sworn enemy of the US and the west and that radical Muslims have a clear agenda of spreading their form of sharia law on to us, at gunpoint if necessary? Do you not recall that the Taliban gave safe haven and still fully supports and protects Osama Bin Laden?
As for Iraq, if a despot who video tapes the rape and torture of his own people for nightly amusement and entertainment for cocktail parties isn’t reason enough to be removed from power I’ll remind you of his payment to Palestinian suicide bombers who have killed more then one American in their jihad against Israel.
Let you not forget 16 UN resolutions he willingly ignored with no consequences and that every president for over 20 years has been given intelligence information on Saddam’s weapons programs, including biological and chemical weapons manufacturing.
Are you really so ignorant that you do not remember the other countries, including Saddam’s own neighbors were so convinced of and feared Saddam’s weapons programs they put aside their hatred of the US and provided our intelligence community with evidence of such programs?
I’d educate you as to the WMD’s, biological and chemical weapons facilities we did find in Iraq. Through the fog of the NYT and the daily kos combined with the typical liberal mantra of “US Bad” I doubt you’d take the time to investigate the evidence for yourself. Instead you happily sustain yourself with clear conviction that the US is and has always been the evil presence in the world and must be taken down from its position of power and ability to defend herself.
If America ever surrendered and sharia law became our chosen form of rule you’d have the right to call us a wasteland. Instead, America has once again placed ourselves into a position of protecting not only our country but the western world from such a possibility. This of course makes the US infinitely bad as it was when we defended against naziism, communism and an imperial government hellbent on taking over all of Asia and destroying America in the process.
Funny thing is the only ones who are willing to stand up against and fight for America from radical muslim terrorists intent on imposing sharia law on the US are our military and conservatives.
Liberals would don themselves in a hajib and march in lockstep with the Taliban condoning terrorism all the way to the executioner; all in the name of cultural diversity.
If being a conservative means I’m a fruit and nut, pass around the granola. I’d rather ravenously stuff myself into sweet oblivion then spend a single second not speaking out and fighting against the greatest cancer to our country, liberalism. As Gary Graham stated in his opening shot across the bow, FTS.
Tami
Prelutsky’s take is exactly mine. I was a liberal Democrat for years and simply could not continue largely because the party of FDR and HST and JFK has gone so far left. But liberals acted the same way they are now vis a vis US’ enemies when Reagan was president. And even before. Liberals hated in those days- they hated anti-communists but made excuses for the likes of Stalin and Castro and Ortega. They are doing the same thing now with the islamists. Liberals are not capable of learning. They are brain dead.
Thank you Burt! Mr. Heston was truly one of a kind – brave, intelligent and resourceful. What I can’t stand about Hollywood’s liberals is that they are like lemmings – afraid to go out of their comfort zone to even THINK of discussing a different thought than theirs (or one that they hear over and over again).
[...] Burt Prelutsky has been at this game longer than most of us and has alienated himself from the majority who he considered friends while writing for “M*A*S*H”. We’re proud to have you here, Burt. [...]
“The Taliban still have a solid foothold on the country and major support from its citizens.”
A mile wise and an inch thick, IMHO. Fear and greed does that. Any parallels with Hollywood? We’ll see.
I’d also add to your WMD comments, Tami, that our invasion did in fact take an active nuclear weapons program out of the hands of a hostile lunatic. Nobody seems to remember Libya handing everything over when they saw what we did to Saddam. What would have happened to that program if we had not gone in?
The problem is that Bush was elected twice to the White House and kept leftists from the levers of power. That made him a greater enemy than any collection of nuclear-armed anti-American thugs the world could produce.
They will always side with our enemies. The forced collectivism they love cannot coexist with liberty. Those who champion liberty, like Mr. Heston did, are a bigger threat to them than any force beyond our shores can ever be.
wise = wide. Sheesh!
Might as well also point out that going into Iraq pulled enemies there; instead of facing off against office workers and mothers on sidewalks they were obliged to turn their efforts against the best trained and best equipped military the planet has ever produced. It wasn’t pretty, but as long as we’ve kept our guts where they should be the outcome could not be in doubt. The only real chance any enemy has against us is to sap our will. Liberals are the only weapon our enemies abroad can plausibly use to defeat us. And the Libs keep doing their best to come through for them.
Enemies of our country? Yeah, I’d say so too.
John Charles right on. But about sapping our will? I think the liberals really do want that to happen. I think, honestly by the remarks left here by a few that they cheer for the Taliban, Al Queda and the left-overs of Saddams sick regime. THey will deny it but anyone who can call President Bush the slanderours names they have called him and the libelous names they have called our military and the sick way they have portrayed our guys what else can one assume? I mean but now because THEIR guy is going to be in office its cool to be an American? FTS! They surely are not patriotic if thats what they measure their love of country by. And that is the truth.
Hooray for you- keep on being brave and outspoken!!!!! Our incoming president and the liberals will destroy America!!! Bush lover here-one who is proud to be a supporter of our armed forces who fight for freedom!!!!Keep telling them!!!!!
Great article.
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