Hate Speech Resides on the Left
by Brian JenningsI thought conservatives were the only group that was guilty of hate speech until I heard Jon Stewart’s rant on Rush Limbaugh. But, that was preceded by New York Governor David Paterson. And, that was preceded by David Letterman. Limbaugh is a tough football loving brute, but even three libs throwing illegal chop blocks can’t take Rush down. Odd how they accuse us of hate speech when in fact they are guilty three times this week. Three strikes and you’re out!
First, Letterman said Rush was too smart to believe what he says and should be the head of the Republican Party because he’s tubby. Second, Governor Paterson bashes Rush for announcing his intention to sell his Fifth Avenue condo because of high taxes and being audited ad nauseum. But, those incidents were mild compared to the idiotic rant by pseudo-comedian Jon Stewart who tells Rush to “get the fxxx out of here.” Stewart didn’t stop at that: “For years, for years, for years, New Yorkers have done everything in our power to get this guy to leave town. We knew he was into drugs, so we cleaned up Times Square. We even opened up a Disney store in the very place he would normally go to buy drugs.” The reference was Rush’s dependence on pain killers which he openly admitted on his show facing his problem honestly and ultimately winning his battle. But Stewart let his anger get the best of him and the hate spewed forth declaring everyone who smokes a cigar is a “douchebag.” And, then….”We outlawed murder, figuring he was a guy with a taste for it.”
I wonder how many times Stewart has really listened to Limbaugh? For liberals, it’s much easier to not listen and engage in criticism. The odd thing here is that Rush’s ratings are #1 in New York City on WABC radio. In fact, his ratings are the envy of the left. They can’t figure it out. Why would anyone want to listen to a “douchebag?” Well, I guess millions of us are “douchebags.” I’m a proud “douchebag” and I’m happy to say I am a proud, loud listener of Rush Limbaugh!
This deep hatred of the right began years ago when we stopped such things as “free health care.” Let me think…who pays for free health care? The hate increased when Bill Clinton was blown away by Monica…oh sorry. It increased when GW defeated Al (make me a billionaire global warming) Gore. But, the left became incredulous when GW defeated John Kerry and won a second term. They couldn’t believe it. So, they formed left-wing smear groups such as Media Matters to charge conservative media personalities with hate speech every chance they could.
What ever happened to comedians who used politics but avoided political commentary?. Today, the pseudo-comedians couldn’t exist without letting their bias bleed through.
It boils down to this. Jon Stewart is jealous of Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh makes more money and has a much more loyal audience. And, Rush has had 21 years of national success. Jon Stewart is a comparative lightweight who has to mock someone with hate to get noticed. Well, he did get noticed. We noticed his hate speech and won’t forget it next time the left accuses our side of it. Can’t they rest it? They won! But, they won’t rest until they have destroyed conservative thought in America because they simply know best.
Well, bring it on David. Bring it on Governor. Bring it on Stewart. Every time you whine about Rush, his ratings go up. We know who the real winner is.
Brian Jennings is author of Censorship: The Threat to Silence Talk Radio which will be published by Simon & Schuster May 5th. It is available now online at Amazon.






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Great job Brian—I'm sharing this one. And thanks for having the stomach to watch Stewart—-I sure can't. I don't want to let his tirades ruin my love for "Big Daddy," the only movie Adam Sandler was foolish enough to put in JS (sans his BS, so he is tolerable).
I don't think Stewart's rant is funny or clever per se, but if it were put into a full length motion picture together with the incoherent rants of Sally Fields and Celine Dion and the vitriol of Olberman and The Dixie Chicks etc. etc. etc., then I think that would be hilarious.
The Maha Rushie has been on a roll lately, ever since that CPAC barnburner speech. I love him. I quit watching Stewart years ago. Too smug for me. If he was as smart as he thinks he is, he'd devote three hours a day to El Rushbo. Maybe he'd learn something.
Taking out-of-context videos and speeches, adding his own commentary, smirking, and spouting four letter words while talking over anyone who disagrees with him. Yeah, that's humor all right. I finally figured out that Jon Stewart is just an anorexic Michael Moore with a shave and a better tailor. I watch each equally often.
Thanks for the column. The left disgust me with their hypocrisy on the matter of hate speech. As conservatives, we stand up for our beliefs, are continuously called hate-mongers and racist bigots; all the while the leftists and extreme liberals scatter their hate all in the name of "free speech" while trying to shut down our free speech. When sanity is reclaimed in this country, I hope these people are exposed for what they really are: anti-freedom, anti-rights, and opposed to free though.
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Right on!! Having that on the internet and playing it on Hannity, Limbaugh, whatever, would not only be hilarious it would put their insanity and hypocrisy on display.
I tell my college age daughter this all the time. Jon Stewart is a comedian, not a news man. He takes out of context stories and makes jokes about them. The Ozombies in the audience, both studio and tv viewers, take his show as legitimate news. Jon is up front about the fact that it's satire but like all good propaganda -" If you say it enough it becomes the truth". Most colleges or high schools don't teach kids enough about civics or economics to know the difference between satire, lies and truth.
What I don't get about these conservative hating, white male hating, Christian hating, Bush hating, etc 'celebs' is … don't they see that they are potentially alienating half of their potential audience …. And why the hell would anyone want to sit and listen to this tripe in the audience (even if you were a turbo liberal)? There is no thought provoking content in these comments/rants or in the comments/rants of the other super intellectual comedian, Mr Maher. In addition, there is no humor.
Wiping the milk I just blew out of my nose from explosive laughter ~ Please, you're kidding right? This is the kind of hyperbole that makes us conservatives hard to stomach on occasion. Your examples of "hate speech" by Stewart are laughable. So much so, its comparable to the silliness that erupts when people call behavior racist thats clearly not. I've heard Rush say any number of things far more objectionable than your quotes from Stewart. Its a silly rant.
True, that.
Jon Stewart has as much as admitted he's a socialist, so his rant doesn't surprise me. Of course he's jealous, he has to lie and smear people in order to get a laugh; Limbaugh simply tells it like it is, and we laugh because of the insanity of it all.
I hate Colbert, too. What a jerk.
So Rush doesn't deserve a second chance Jon? You of all people should admire a man who overcame obstacles and has gained a bigger audience than before.
Stewart and Colbert are both in the class of Non-Funny comedians. Also in that class are most of the cast of SNL, Margaret Cho, Rosie Odonnell, Joy Behar, etc….
The only hate speech I have heard Rush say is Henry Waxman has large nostrils. He calls Ted Kennedy the swimmer. Begala is the forehead. Is that really hate speech or is it just over-sensitive people getting their feelings hurt?
Well, Jon certainly out did himself. I can almost see the spittle spraying from his mouth. Perhaps it's time to call in an exorcist.
Did you hear Rush's commentary about The Individual being the largest minority? He hit it out of the park and it hasn't come down yet. These morons should listen to that as they accept Andrew Klavan's challenge
And all the while they rant and rave and try to take Rush down let's not forget WHY they are doing it: Rush Limbaugh gave one of the greatest speeches this nation has ever heard. Bar None. It is what he said and the way he said it in the speech that launched this latest attack on Rush Limbaugh. The Nation should hear that speech as often as there is a hate rant against Rush by the likes of Stewart, Colbert, Begala,Carville( that big eared grinning Nosfratu!) and gang. Enough of their idiocy already. It is bad enough there is absolutely nothing on television that is worth watching or listening to regarding political commentary from the left. Bill Mahar is an idiot and unfunny. Jon Stewart is famous only in his own mind. I wonder how his sponsors feel about that rant because I know it offended me. As a consumer I make notations of sponsors of offensive shows and let them know I will not buy their products. They all need to have THEIR shows cancelled rather than trying to take down a man who excels at what he does. Especially when they DO NOT!)
It's bad enough that the left very often can't make a coherent argument to defend their positions because if they did, they would have to expose the inherent weaknesses of their ideas, but then they have to try to puff up their ideas and thoughts by endless ad hominem attacks and straw man debates. PoliticalSeason upthread just set up one of the usual defenses/attacks, the "… but your side does it too" defense with absolutely no supporting examples to flesh out his argument at all.
This is what they're reduced to and this is why they should be losing except that we've ceded the classroom to them, and many of our children are no longer taught to think, merely to digest and feel good about themselves. That makes it very hard to go against what is presented as popular and seen everywhere as what should be done for the right reasons with the best intentions.
Its not a defense of Stewart nor an attack on Rush that I'm making. I'm attacking what I think is a ridiculous argument by Jennings calling a few lame quotes critical of Rush "hate speech". Rush engages in vigorous critiques of his own daily, certainly every bit the same in tone as Stewart's or stronger. If you listen to Rush you know this to be true, I don't need a bunch of supporting "evidence". Rush's stock in trade is his robust and vigorous commentary. Why play this game that Rush is some sort of mealy mouthed radio peacenik?
I positively detest arguments of this sort that amount to bald faced lies in an attempt to push forward the conservative viewpoint and I find them counterproductive. We want to decry the left's hyperbole and then we practice our own. The quotes Jennings cites are not "hate speech" directed at Rush, its simply overkill to label them that way. Rush directs withering verbal fire at liberals and whoever else he likes. Its not hate speech either. The only difference between the two is one you agree with and one you don't. That would have been the honest point for Jennings to make.
Yeah, saying someone has a "taste for murder" isn't hate speech … This from the side who believes the word "tax cut" is hate speech because it's a "code word."
I'm starting to think this isn't jealousy but frustration. Rush is someone they can't take down, they can't control, thus a serious threat. And the clock is ticking, even they know they can't cover for Barry and friends forever. Bush is wisely staying silent so that material is getting stale, now they've found substituting Rush hasn't worked. So, Stewart is following the liberal rulebook, when something doesn't work, do it again twice as large and twice as loud!
Loved the "Get Out!" line, delivered after Rush announced we was already going. Liberal standard, soon Stewart will declare he forced Rush out!
How can you tell when Jon Stewart's very serious about something? When he uses the F word, as he did about Rush and with Cramer. It's like watching an inarticulate pre-teen use that word in a 'test the waters' sort of way to demonstrate how adult he is but in fact actually looks like a kid trying to be an adult. Except that Jon Stewart is an actual adult using childish tactics to appear serious and adult and failing at both. Some of my deep lib friends watch his show as their only source of news – frightening. It's amusing in a truly ironic and despairing way to watch Stewart do his strident best to become for the left what he accuses Limbaugh of being for the right. He's too consumed by hatenvy to even grasp this irony. With Obama on his bloody-kneed mea culpa tour of Europe and Stewart as his wannabe spokesperson, this is going to be a tough 4 years.
You sure he calls Ted Kennedy "the swimmer?" I thought that was Bob Grant's line. It's a good one, too.
If you've heard so many examples perhaps you'd care to share a few?
I don't know why people watch this guy, every time I have seen him he commits the cardinal sin of comedians. HE JUST ISN'T FUNNY! It is all bad jokes and middle school face making. HE JUST ISN'T FUNNY.
The author was trying to make a point, which I think most of us got. "Get the f–k out of New York" isn't exactly love speech. But the real point is that we're simply tired of being accused of hate speech when the left is, if anything, more experienced and has a whole lot more people and places to spew it. If you don't like the words "hate speech" as being too extreme, how about "mean-spirited?" The left has been calling us that for decades, usually just before saying that all us fascist pigs should die.
The author was not suggesting that the left has a monopoly on hateful speech, he was suggesting that the left should stop its faux indignation every time a conservative makes a comment they don't like. And please allow some of us to think that even if Stewart's routines aren't hate speech, they're still not funny.
After reviewing your blog (http://www.politicalseason.blogspot.com/ ) and reading the About Us (what, don't conservatives get to do background checks?), I'm not sure which side of the con/lib duo is actually posting here. Even with the benefit of the doubt that you're the conservative, from reading the posts there I must conclude you are to conservatism as McCain is to Reagan.
Name one. Name even one time Rush has used profanity.
And nice try following the lefty interloper playbook, as in "us conservatives", but pushed your luck with the milk through the nose bit.
I've listened to Rush on and off over the years and while he is undeniably a master of his craft, he's a pompous, classless ass. I remember when he used to take shots at Chelsea Clinton, and when he was arguably at his least physically attractive himself his major argument against feminists was that they were ugly. Then his more recent potshot accusing Michael J. Fox of exaggerating his Parkinsons. Plus last week's recent comment on Gordon Brown's "anal poisoning." All power to him as an entrepreneur, but you can have him.
I quit watching Stewart and Letterman long ago…
The author was trying to make a point, which I think most of us got. "Get the f–k out of New York" isn't exactly love speech. But the real point is that we're simply tired of being accused of hate speech when the left is, if anything, more experienced and has a whole lot more people and places to spew it. If you don't like the words "hate speech" as being too extreme, how about "mean-spirited?" The left has been calling us that for decades, usually just before saying that all us fascist pigs should die.
Ahh, there it is, the "you're not a real conservative" argument. If I don't subscribe to whatever the rabid conservative position of the hour, I'm not a conservative and therefore unqualified to comment. Or in other words, since I'm not participating in the echo chamber exercise on this particular topic, since I don't agree with Jennings silly rhetorical argument, you needn't address the cogent point I'm making.
Irrespective of your judgment as to my conservative bonafides, it doesn't change my point at all, which is that Jennings is silly and engaging in hyperbole to call Stewart's comedic opinions "hate speech". It is the same sort of hysteria conservatives accuse the left of engaging in all the time. Its absurd when the left does it and I find it even more so when conservatives (who are supposed to be the grownups) do it.
Jennings started it with this silly "hate speech" screech, and when I point out the highly robust commentary of Rush, people respond as if Rush talks the language of sweetness and light, when in fact he is a gatling gun of rhetorical conservative firepower and is intentionally provocative. The difference? This crowd agrees with Rush, not Stewart and thats ALL the difference. "hate speech" is not a relevant issue at all.
The author was not suggesting that the left has a monopoly on hateful speech, he was suggesting that the left should stop its faux indignation every time a conservative makes a comment they don't like. And please allow some of us to think that even if Stewart's routines aren't hate speech, they're still not funny.
I agree, but you instantly lose credibility by using "proceeded" instead of "preceded". Mind your grammar.
Dude, are you surprised? Obama has openly admitted he is a socialist and we still have people on the left rolling their eyes, like Bill Maher, and asking "Do you _really_ believe he's a socialist? Seriously? You really believe that nonsense?"
It's like fact doesn't matter to these people. I saw the "interview" Maher did with Joe the Plumber, besides the "do you REALLY believe he's a socialist" nonsense he kept repeating the nonsense Obama spewed about only raising taxes "on the rich" from "36 to 39 percent". If it comes from a Democrat these people just take it as read, don't bother thinking about it or fact-checking it or anything. They just repeat it then go on another rant about how Republicans don't understand the economy, Republicans don't understand 'the working man', and on and on and on. They're delusional.
I think that Carville and Waxman are a lab experiment that went horribly awry. As to a comparison of douchebags, Stewart's vinegar soured a long time ago. Rush remains one of the few beacons of light in this morass of media madness. And Stewart is still on Comedy Central – thats some news organization.
Once again, Stewart proves how much of an arseclown he is. He won't ever bother to mention that Rush hasn't lived in New York since '97, or that he's been audited every year for twelve years by New York 'cause they're trying to get more money out of him. Let Stewart flap his lips all he wants; New York will collapse on itself when Rush and others like him stop spending money there.
As for me personally, I'm still pissed about the stupid remark Stewart made against the Boy Scouts on SNL in 2000, back when there was the initial hellraising about the BSA not allowing homosexuals in the organization. (Last three lines of the Scout Oath: I will keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and MORALLY STRAIGHT. My emphasis). Stewart's joke was that the BSA was already the gayest organization there was.
If he ever gets within swinging distance of me, he's going down for that one.
That was when Maher lost me: not when his politics diverged from mine, but when he stopped being funny. 1000 variations of "Bush is dumb" jokes just don't cut it.
How do you regard it when Rush says something offensive?
Is it hate speech if it's true? Have you seen Waxmen's nostrils or Begala's forhead? If Ted Kennedy's not a swimmer then how did he survive Chappaquidick?
Is it hate speech if it's true? Have you seen Waxmen's nostrils or Begala's forhead? If Ted Kennedy's not a swimmer then how did he survive Chappaquidick?
"If I don't subscribe to whatever the rabid conservative position of the hour, I'm not a conservative and therefore unqualified to comment."
Or, I have simply stated my evaluation of what you consider your conservatism.
While commenting on rhetorical devices from "bald faced lies" to hyperbole, you are quick to label me with positions I have not taken, ascribing unstated views based on your own personal inference. As you have said, "We want to decry the left's hyperbole and then we practice our own." True words, indeed.
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Sorry, but the jokes about the neckerchiefs and jamborees as examples of the gayitude made me laugh.
Preceded, not proceeded. To precede means to come before, evident by your context, while proceed means to continue on a course of action or direction. "We could not proceed because the leftards preceded us and blocked our way." Any questions?
Otherwise, excellent sentiments. I agree wholeheartedly. Every leftard is envious of Rush because he's a self-made success story. Something none of them are or ever will be.
As a former Boy Scout myself, I can tell you with quite a bit of certainty that despite the whole dressing-small-armies-of-adolescent-boys-in-neckerchiefs-and-teaching-them-to-sew thing; the BSA is, in fact, only the SECOND gayest organization there ever was…
…for, you see, I am ALSO a former Altar Boy
Celine Dion and the Dixie Chicks could provide the soundtrack to the movie. On second thought, that would KILL the movie.
Rush has often said that when the Left is out of power, they're hysterical. When they're in power, they're dangerous. They're VERY dangerous now, and NOT in a good way. Humor is one of the few weapons we have in our arsenal as conservatives, and Rush's humor is up there with the best of them, as illustrated by his parodies of Obama, Bawney Fwank, Algore, et. al.
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I thought you were the big champion of gay rights so I would guess your saying the Boy Scouts and Alter Boys are great otherwise your little crack shows the normal hypocrisy of the left, you can say something is gay to insult things conservatives like but when a conservatives call something gay it's hate speech…oh well at least we can be grateful you didn't give us another of your condescending lectures
I saw Fox giving testimony before Congress, jerking all over the place. Before and after, on talk shows, giving interviews, and acting, nothing to hardly a twitch in comparison. Soon as I saw him before Congress, first thought, he didn't take his meds.
Gordon Brown, came here, got brushed off and treated insultingly for his position. G20, all happy smiles and laughs for his new best buddy. Prime example of bending over and grabbing the ankles.
He's got a point, when was the last time you saw a beautiful feminazi?
Sure he's no William F. Buckley Jr., but he never claimed to be nor do his fans want him to be one, if such was even possible. He's certainly no Maher or Stewart, which both sides agree is a good thing.
Okay, I can see both a comma and a string of periods, so I know he knows where those keys are…
Oh wait, he mentions Alter Boys. That was the little cross-dressing Catholic-bashing group from San Francisco, did a few plays on college campuses around 1987, right?
Okay, I can see both a comma and a string of periods, so I know he knows where those keys are…
Oh wait, he mentions Alter Boys. That was the little cross-dressing Catholic-bashing group from San Francisco, did a few plays on college campuses around 1987, right?
Usually as humorous but there are some groaners. The difference in deliveries matters, while Rush tends to use a flamethrower to start a BBQ, the libs like to airdrop napalm. Makes it easy to spot who wants to be funny and who wants to inflict casualties. And who likes their steak without excessive carbonization.
Does anyone even watch Stewart? I was sucked into watching Colbert… I thought he might actually be middle of the road, perhaps a little conservative…but lately, I don't know. I used to think his over the top acting like a jerk conservative might be his way of covering up the fact that he is… he does take some swipes at liberals.
Fool me once…
I am so ready to delve into the personal lives of stewart, olbermann, tina fey, behar, o'donnell, etc……how much would a PI cost?…..I'd be willing to chip in, how about you?
What's funny about the Left is that they constantly deny the very thing they affirm.
They accused the Right of being hateful, but yet we see the most hateful comments coming from the Left. They claim the Right is against free speech, yet we see attempt after attempt to limit free speech coming from the Left. The list goes on and on.
It is just like Orwell predicted in "1984". If you recall, Ingsoc's Ministry of Peace was the very thing that perpetuated war.
And all in the name of controlling the folks. That's all it is. Power. The Left wants it, and if they can win the war of words and opinions, they will have it, because this past election has shown me one undeniable fact: People are sheep.
Hate to say it, but it is true.
I'm actually laughing having had the discipline to read entirely through this rant. Mr. Jennings has a sum total of *3* examples of "hate speech" on the left. Compared to the daily roar that is the staple of the right wing subversive media, *3* examples are laughable! This scholarly piece of work is 4 days late – it should have been posted on April 1.
Stewart is just trying to get on the Sorros payroll. Lefties like him would sell their souls for that kind of dough–those that even have souls.
I am always surprised when anyone is surprised that the American Bolsheviks like Stewart and Letterman, Moore et al rant and rave against counterrevolutionaries.
THAT'S THEIR JOB.
Just be thankful! If they had the guts of their old Soviet comrades, Rush would be in a Gulag or undergoing state-forced "psychiatric" treatment.
I saw that the instant it was posted, too. Bad on me.
Yes…saw that as soon as posted. Bad on me.
GOP is HISTORY ?
Fine with me, as they are the flipside of the Democrat coin of the realm. But you lefty fascists had better beware the rise of a real third party in America. The Rising is already starting. Your days swimming in pork fat are numbered, dude. Seriously.
Stewart is a political ideologue who apparently hates Limbaugh personally. His attacks ad hominem are obvious attempts to make up for personal shortcomings, such as his inability to stay focused on an issue–among others. He's just another talking head who took himself seriously and decided to change his purpose in life from entertaining people with amusing comments about life's sillyness to nag and scold. I guess comedy doesn't give his life meaning. Stewart is about as funny as Don Rickles on a bad day.
All the isms and phobias are the hob-goblin of the simple mind. No more are the days of being concerned about the “feelings” of one group or another, the stakes are simply to high. All of Washington right and left are the enemy of free Americans enslaving entire groups of people in generational servitude. John Stewart and his leftist ilk are miserable millionaires assuaging their guilt attempting to ruin the very engine that has allowed their largess. This is the greatest country the world has ever produced without exception, and I for one as a conservative am going to fight the chains of socialism and help move this country back towards it’s founding, the PC police can kiss my entire a$$!
I wish conservatives would STOP using the lexicon of the left. There is NO such thing as "hate speech." You don't have to be George Orwell to understand that "hate speech" is a euphemism to disguise censorship. Stewart is welcome to use any trite, inane, or ugly words he likes. It's rather useless to accuse the left of hypocrisy when their real intention is control.
Rush needs no stable of writers, morning meeting, teleprompter, or film clip editor. He speaks with passion, verbal acuity, and what he says always has the ring of truth and reason behind it. That, and he is entertaining. 'Stewart' and his cohorts are prepped by support staff, and egged on by canned audiences. The difference is profound.
Isn't it odd though, Rush simply was saying he wants to get out of NY because of such sky high taxes. You'd think dumb butt Stewart would have some empathy. Stewart is just a mean old hateful man.
I don't know what hate speech means, it is kind of up there with hate crimes, which is similarly silly.
I do know that Stewart is a snide little twerp with limited range, material and insight. Hey, he is a comedian who is not funny.
What more can we say?
I was just waiting for Pol Seas to post examples of Rush's "hate speech." Still haven't seen it posted, so I guess it isn't coming. Not the cut and paste partial quotes of the Media Matters half-wits, either, as they live by disengenuousness. As for the IntenseDebate feature screw-ups, please complain about it, several of us here have, maybe if enough do, they will fix it. I know BH was trying to do something about it, but I am getting tired of posting and reading the threads, as they are not as free-flowing, difficult to read, and so not as enjoyable.
People are taking more of an interest in Rush that ever before because of left-bashing he's getting – they want to see what all the fuss is about – and because more people are getting fed up with the Oblahblah Administration and their doggedly determination to bankrupt us all and make us all dependent upon the govt for our needs – socialism.
Rush has thick skin and can take it. These looney lefties think Rush will retreat under their attacks; they don't know this guy. The more they say, the more he stands up to them. Rush knows there are many of us behind him.
Stewart , Lettlerman and all the rest of the liberal mouthpieces aren't used to being made fools of. Go Rush!!
Yes, we know you hate Rush, love Jon Stewart. You tell us every single time the subject of either comes up. We. Get. It. And no, if you've had a kid in Boy Scouts, that s#it isn't funny. Rush says stuff that I disagree with, but he usually laughs or says them in such a way, (if you can detect subtle), that let's you know he is not overly serious. Stewart was mildly funny back when he first came out in his early stand up days. He should have pushed to do more movies, a much better fit for a man who is 50ish, whose comedy is on par with the stoned teenagers who watch. The kids I know call it The Daily Stoner Show. Sounds appropriate.
Exactly right! The left cannot debate any issues, so they attack the person saying what they don't like. This is why liberal radio tanked and conservative talk radio is flourishing.
I have to say, yeah, the hate speech moniker is a bit much. Stew can spew all he wants. He is just terribly unfunny when he does it. As for his show, anyone with even the least bit of talent could do his show. The writing, scripting, the support of the audience, all one needs is some timing and an ability to mug for the camera. Stewart has more talent than that show, and that's not saying much. I get the why of kids watching, it's the adults who do, that concern me.
I have to say, yeah, the hate speech moniker is a bit much. Stew can spew all he wants. He is just terribly unfunny when he does it. As for his show, anyone with even the least bit of talent could do his show. The writing, scripting, the support of the audience, all one needs is some timing and an ability to mug for the camera. Stewart has more talent than that show, and that's not saying much. I get the why of kids watching, it's the adults who do, that concern me.
The fact he doesn't use his real name tells me all I need to know about him.
HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS? Not exactly Stewart, but Maher. He is interviewing Joe the Plumber, attempting, somewhat to be friendly, and still has to get in his snarkiness. Old Joe, not the smartest guy in the world, comes across much better. Oh well, you judge! :
http://conservativexpress.blogspot.com/2009/04/jo...
Again the lefties try to distract from what's really going on. Instead of addressing the reason Rush wants to get out to NY – Governor Patterson and his ridiculous tax increase – Stewart just attacks Rush – good riddance, etc. If the idiot thought about it for a minute he might disagree with the tax increase or question to validity of it. But if he did that the he would be agreeing with Rush – HORROR OF HORRORS! Since he can't do that, he'll just attack Rush and another stupid "tax the rich to death" increase is put through and no one blinks an eye. "Tax increase? What tax increase? Nothing to see here – move along – Rush is an idiot, etc."
Joe did handle himself well in that interview. Maher is a polished entertainer and could have run circles around a non-professional in that arena.
Maher's opinion that it is refreshing for the president to admit the US is flawed and makes mistakes is a typical liberal opinion. When a person in the position of responsibility, as the president is, does that, a lot of bad people are listening and can take those comments as weakness. If a normal guy admits mistakes, his wife just says I told you so. It does not have the repercussions as it would if he were representing a large amount of people.
Boilerbacker, I think what you're missing is that these guys are selling leftist humor. Their target audience is the left wing. If they attract you, it's purely by accident. They have basically decided that there is enough money to be made in preaching to the choir — or ranting to the lunatics (might be the better way to say it).
To attract the left, you need to do the whole bashing and hating thing that they do. Thought provoking is not wanted or needed, and the humor derives more from a shared hate than any actual humor.
It's probably time that we stopped calling these guys "comedians" and started calling them "left wing comedians."
I agree with you — for the most part. I don't find this bit offensive. So Stewart doesn't like the guy, so what? But I must say I'm a bit tired of this journalism-cum-comedian routine that allow Stewart and Maher and Colbert and Frankin to hide behind comedy whenever they say something controversial. It's like when someone spits in your face and says, "I was only kidding." Limbaugh's endorsement of the "Barack the Magic Negro" song was clearly over the top, though I don't consider him to be racist, it was more to the point of false expectations of the Messianic figure. I do believe the Left to be more angry and hateful than the Right in general, although it's impossible to gauge without some bias. I'm starting to see the anger/hate scales shift — as it does with power — a more mature "let's rise above the pettiness and name-calling" on the Left now that they've assumed power, just as I'm sensing the beginning of an uprising on the Right that could get very nasty indeed. Suffice it to say I agree with Michelle O when she said this is a mean country.
Who cares what "Stewart" says, when he's ashamed to use his real name. That would be Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz… AKA Stewart, AKA Self Loathing Jerk. As to Hate Speech, if you are in question as to what it sounds like, listen to Air America…. if you can still find it on air, otherwise you can look for a tape at a Hollywood garage sale (if you find one, don't pay more than two cents for it).
That was good! You don’t have to be a mental giant if you know what you believe, and in my mind he’s right on about the Fair Tax this would de-claw Washington, go Joe!
Mr. Jennings, If you are reading this, I encourage you to keep on exploring some of the views and sentiments expressed here on Andrew Breitbart's internet company. As a frequent link from Matt Drudge's similar site, and one that supports a comment section, Breitbart's comment section has become a town hall of right america. And what a scary place that is!
I read racial epithets and calls for harm to minorities every day here at Breitbart's comment area. There is no doubt that, because this is the internet and everyone here posts anonymously, people feel emboldened to speak their hostilities more harshly and openly than I know they would in person, in public or private, in front of my face or yours.
But there's no doubt, and the proof surrounds us! Hate is right here with Breitbart's many followers. Just have a look around.
Well, due to the crappy nature of the collapsed thread here now at BH, I just now saw your comment, AC. I posted the Maher/Joe interview at the end of this thread. Everyone should watch it. It's Maher being fakey friendly/smarmy. Maher cries out for a bitc#-slapping.
Jon "Douche-Bag" Stewart is one of the reasons that I got rid of my cable TV last November. I WILL NOT pay for any TV service that even has one cent of my hard earned money going into his pocket. There are countless other reasons why I ditched my cable (LOGO, MTV, CNN, MSNBC) just to name a few.
I'm challenging all other right thinking Americans to join me in "cutting the cable" on their TVs. We are winning the battle on the newspaper front. Papers are barely staying afloat. Most are in the financial ledge, ready to jump. They say that ad rates are their real problem. But how do they set their ad rates? It's in part set by circulation numbers. If nobody is looking at their fish wrap, they can't charge as much as they would like for their ad space.
If all of us start dropping paid TV, the same will begin to happen. One by one, these crap cable networks will begin to "wither on the vine" just like the papers are doing now. I am about 5 months in on my no cable lifestyle and I don't miss it one bit. It may be a bit more difficult for those with kids, but if you can swing it, try cutting the cord and send a financial message to paid TV.
Hateful, spiteful, bitter.
And some folks wonder why I'm not a liberal anymore?
I would disagree with your definition of hate speech. Quoting someone out of context and then devaluing their arguments and positions based on those out of context snippets and ad hominem attacks the way Stewart and the left typically do qualifies as hate speech – hate the speaker, ala 2 minutes hate. They attack the person and not the point the person makes. Bristol Palin was, and still is, an entire campaign designed to deflect us from the arguments and alternative that Sarah Palin provides, and Bristol is an entirely different person.
Rush may mock the person with names and silly voices, but he also attacks the point of the argument quite aside from who made it. If you haven't realized this by now, then I have to wonder which of us is actually listening to his radio show.
There are many more examples of hate speech (lefty terms for those who disagree with them), that make these examples look like something out of Leave it to Beaver. The constant chants from the "Tolerant and Compassionate" left on how Bush was a Nazi. How those on the right want to bring back slavery, or starve women and children, want the elderly to die (even though eugenics is praised on the left). Look at the Code Pink bimbos and bimbers (?) who call our troops stupid for participating in Bush's lie – in front of Walter Reed Hospital while they're being treated. Charlie Rangel said that tax cuts was another word for slavery – funny coming from a man who doesn't pay his taxes.
Clinton essentially blamed Rush for the Oklahoma City bombing. Look at what they did to Palin. They crucified her from day one. Made up stories that were easily debunked by a grade school kid. They went after her daughter and family like wildfire, while giving our current president a free ride and hardly a hardball question in his entire campaign. Tim Robbins (not a genius) talking about a cold wind blowing over free speech, while giving a speech, then going home to his cozy apartment (not prison) with his mom, Susan Sarandon, for speaking out on the war. I don't have a list of all the vile insults from the touch-feely liberals against those on the right, but it wouldn't take a few minutes to find them on DailyKos, MoveOn or Democrat Underground.
Nobody really liked Winston Churchill either, but you cannot deny the man was brilliantly effective at what he did.
yeeech….Colbert is even worse than Stewart. Me thinks he got beat up to much as a little kid. What a tool.
I'm not sure what else to call it when a leftist calls out someone and tries to devalue their speech based simply on a screed based on "I hate them so should you."
I'll agree that he gave some pretty tame examples. There ARE much more vile ones that he could have used and plenty of them. It doesn't do any good to personally attack someone if you can legitimately attack their positions or policies. I've never heard Rush say anything racist in all the time I've listened to him. I don't believe he is.
Stewart has long passed the point of being a parody of himself. His rants are like that of the poor schizophrenic street guy who has stopped taking his meds and spends his days on street corners screaming aobut CIA mind-control experiments. The problem is that the schizo can't help himself and Stewart (presumably) can. It's amazing how "hp and cool"outright hate has become isn't it? Guys like George Wallace and Orville Faubus were certainly haters but they didn't have professional writing staffs prepping their material and they weren't featured on the cover of Vanity Fair and GQ. Jon Stewart is the examplar of what can only be called "hate chic." If the sophisticates of New York City really buy into this crap than Rush is well out of there.
It's fascinating to me to read this whining simpering garbage that you lefties put out there. I wear my beliefs on my chair when I am out in public and have never harmed a civilian piece of left wing trash…yet. However I have been repeatedly assaulted by the "tolerant" left. There is a reason that the common man is sick and tired of the left. I suggest you figure it out.
SUA SPONTE
Who are US Conservatives that you find hard to stomach? Isn't that the leftys version of 'you pepole'. How about backing up the 'far more objectionable' Limbaugh quotes of which you have heard?
John Stewart is a social and political commentator posing as a comedian. That is what is most maddening about his show. He's constantly taking potshots @ conservatives and uses his status as "comedian" as a fallback when pressed to defend his position.
Rush makes fifty million dollars a year from his radio show. Why should anyone have "empathy" because he'd have to pay a few thousand more in taxes? What won't he be able to buy? How will he suffer?
Unfortunately, it is a waste of time to respond to GOP is History types. They are so blinded by ideological hatred that it makes it impossible to reason with them. There arguments and attacks are usually ad hominem and rarely based on facts. Best to ignore at times as opposed to get sucked into a mind numbingly banal argument.
We'll see!
Only the left thinks that the corrupt actions of groups like ACORN (convicted of vote fraud) is acceptable. And I am NOT your buddy. I'm done troll. Don't bother responding.
SUA SPONTE
Well, that just simplifies things. We can attack in any direction.
I have been reading this blog since it's inception. I have never read one racial epithet. Please show an example or retract.
Colbert RULES…his trashing of the phony crier Glenn Beck was comedic genius (unlike Stewart's rant on Limbaugh, which was just unfunny and misguided- "he has a taste for murder"? REALLY???)! BTW I'm a conservative, and can laugh at myself and the foilbles of others, unlike some stick-in-the-muds here…who's you're idea of funny? That Gutfeld guy who just trashed Canadian soldiers who are on OUR side?
You better WATCH WHAT YOU SAY BUDDY. He took out a few of the LEFT-CONTROLLED POLICE, before he went down, but one of your brothers-in-arms died in the fight this weekend!
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For most of the people on this site it’s an ideological difference not race. If Barry were Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, etc. I’d still be whistling with joy.
OK Wavey, name 6 comedians right now who are funnier than Stephen Colbert (who takes on pompous talking-point windbags of all stripes effectively), who even if you hate his guts is clearly superior to the worthless likes of O'Donnell and Cho…
Anyone remember when The Daily Show use to make fun of weird little news stories. Now it is non-stop political. I feel sorry for college kids that look to JS for the truth, because he is not. I am not sure why he is so angry. He got the president he wanted. JS rants on the right having an exclusively white existence, but until very recently JS writing staff was completely white and male. I think he hates the morals and values of "fly-over" country. He could not function outside of the elite New York/ Manhattan crowd.
You mean like Michael (Weiner) Savage? Not that I blame him in that instance…
You call such a leftist a useful idiot. The entire hate-speech gambit by the left is an attempt to control the debate by censoring what an individual can say. Once you control the lexicon, you control the ideas an individual is permitted to have. Conservatives should make their stand on the basis of the First Amendment, not on whose speech is the more hateful.
Stewart and Colbert are powerful forces for the left in their ongoing cultural attacks on conservatism and their nightly distortions of who we are, what we believe in and the direction we would like to take the country. Sadly, they are very effective in their distortions since every real news and cultural outlet — including Fox News — pays homage to their mocking by running their skits and celebrating their stars.
Personally, I’m waiting for Fox to give Dennis Miller his own satirical talk-show which could combine elements of Bill Maher‘s newmakers/cultural icons/political figures panel mixed in with the snark and mockery of Colbert or Stewart . I can imagine Dennis running down the days news stories taking jabs at the MSM and making a mockery on a nightly basis as to what constitutes as journalism in today’s world as well as the sheer lunacy of today’s left and the vapid causes they support, endorse and believe wholeheartedly in. Dennis would never be hard-pressed for material — not with likes of the MSM bursting with overwhelming absurdity, hypocrisy and dishonesty.
Shut up! You aren't a conservative you're a GD liar. Go back to Jesse, Al and the rest of your duplicitous weaklings. You haven't a clue what a conservative or a Republican is.
And who can forget Clooney mocking Heston having Alzheimer's, the left hawking despicable t-shirts after Tony Snow died, Bernhard and Madonna going on tirades against Palin?
My own personal experiences with lefties is the same. I signed up for Facebook over a year ago and then had nothing to do with it. Recently, I went on it to see new photos of my new nephew who was born and lives in another state. I had a few requests from acquaintances to 'be my friend'.
On another site, I was reading about the Tea Parties that were being organized and clicked on my state, which lead me to Facebook. I affirmed I would be attending. I didn't know the workings of FB, but apparently a 'Madelyn *** will be attending the Chicago Tea Party' was sent to my handful of "friends".
Next thing you know, I have 2 people questioning my attendance (husband and wife). These people are NOT friends of mine; I rarely see them and had not for over a year.
The opening line was "have you lost your senses?", obviously a rhetorical question. He said some stupid things having nothing to do with the point of the Tea Party and said he was thinking of going to protest the protesters.
I replied saying I was not happy with the Stimulus Bill nor taxpayer money being used for all the bailouts. I said I despised big government and inept bureaucracy. You think it could have been left at that but nooooo.
He replies with a ridiculous rant, says wealthy people are driving us to feudalism and he prefers socialism and rich people are greedy and he welcomes their demise (among other things). He also went after me again personally saying I was naive if I believed such and such.
That was it. I sent the bully back a reply and put him in his place. Next thing you know, I have 2 (husband/wife) less "friends". They had become my "friend" and removed themselves within 2 days.
I told this to a friend who knows them and she said they used to send her anti-Bush emails. My friend is completely apolitical and doesn't talk politics and these people aren't close friends of her either. They're your all too typical aggressive lefties. FB is just another bully pulpit from which to launch their attacks.
jon stuart—- you are NO comedian–just another dumb liberal put in place tpo entertain other dumb liberals…..when the public realizes all tv stations albeit a few are just for dumb liberals, then power will be shifted in hollywood…. there is a show from Australia called the Chasers War on Everything, and it is about how stupid americans are about their political correctness…..its hilarious and it is right on!@—–but i'll bet you haven't heard of it, cause the liberal stations are trying to get it banned..hahahah
Stewart is so brilliant, just ask him.
A rich socialist. The comfortable kind, the kind like Obama that have no personal pain resultant from their university learned, laboratory ideology.
I quit watching "The Daily Show" when it became "The Daily Bash Republicans Show." Stewart can be funny, but he's too much of a liberal to realize that he's wrong about the misinformation he spews forth about conservatives and Republicans. Even though his audience of slackers/stoners/liberals is about 1/20th the size of Rush's audience, the media loves him because they're libs too. Rush had it right when he said that liberals are the angriest people around. Even with their Messiah as president and the other two stooges running the House and the Senate, they're upset. Talk about douchebags.
Canadian soldiers? Really? Where? With guns and stuff? I thought the Canadians only fought in hockey rinks, for fun.
Watch Leno's primetime foray go down in flames, quickly.
As with the rest of the media, you completely MISSED THE POINT about the whole Michael J. Fox non-controversy. Fox ADMITTED that he didn't take his meds and showed himself jerking around. Then Rush duplicated that, but the media took video from his Dittocam and accelerated it to make it appear as though Rush was being mean-spirited by making it a parody of what Fox did. Get your facts straight on the issue, rather than relying on the liberal media.
Dr. Sowell would have my vote in a heartbeat.
Would fit in well with NBC's plan to become more and more irrelevant…
Gutfled did make a joke about that he didn't even know Canada had soldiers, and afterward, he apologised for it, that wasn't good enough?" He wasn't being malicious, unlike Maher and Stewart. Seen them apologising to ANYONE lately?
[...] of hate speech when in fact they are guilty three times this week. Three strikes and you
Thomas Sowell? Heck, yeah! I would be rounding up carloads of people to take to the polls!!! I couldn't give a s#it less what color someone is, where they're from, etc. I want someone who knows America is great, will say KMA to those who oppose us, and treats our Constitution as the blueprint for our country. People like our troll don't understand that this country has "leaned left" more than a few times before, perhaps when his mommy was marching with her fellow hippies against Vietnam, for one. The pendulum ALWAYS swings back. We might have to wait for the old flower children to die out, or become infirm, but we will swing back.
Ah, I love Jon Stewart. The way he pisses off the conservatives, he must be doing something right.
It's less the taxes and more the 12 straight years of audits, plus he gets taxed per diem, meaning he has to prove for every day of the year whether or not he was in NY. While not conclusive proof of a totalitarian abuse of power by targeting him, it's something no sensible freedom-loving American should have to put up with.
Applying your standard, we now have a left-controlled military. Am I supposed to start cheering when they get killed?
Although on the face of it him and I share about the same views on O-baby and guns, calling him my brother-in-arms feeds liberal attempts to link us and label that group as dangerous to society. Lord knows I've seen those individual statements many places, dressing them as delusional paranoia is an old trick of the opposition. Looks like he was just some unemployed depressed guy who badly over-reacted, perhaps suicidal. While I don't approve of his actions, I can feel sorry for him. It's (still) a free country.
Applying your standard, we now have a left-controlled military. Am I supposed to start cheering when they get killed?
Although on the face of it him and I share about the same views on O-baby and guns, calling him my brother-in-arms feeds liberal attempts to link us and label that group as dangerous to society. Lord knows I've seen those individual statements many places, dressing them as delusional paranoia is an old trick of the opposition. Looks like he was just some unemployed depressed guy who badly over-reacted, perhaps suicidal. While I don't approve of his actions, I can feel sorry for him. It's (still) a free country.
I've never thought that Rush was offensive, not once, not ever.
Have you ever actually listened to Rush? or do you assume that he's hateful- because the left says so?
All you right wingers are whinny pathetic losers. Jon Stewart jealous of Rush Limbaugh? Maybe in an eating contest. But Stewart has shown time and time again that he can expose any politicians lies and crap, NO MATTER WHICH SIDE THEY'RE ON, by showing viewers clips of them opening their big mouths. There are certainly more Republicans than Democrats he skewers, but that's because the GOP have ruled the country with an iron fist for the past decade, which is why America is in the bad shape it is in. And all your hero Limbaugh can do is callously say that he wants Obama to fail in his efforts to clean up the mess Bush has gotten the country in. How disgusting.
Here's the difference. Jon Stewart cares about America. Rush Limbaugh cares only about himself. The fact that you would align yourselves with Rush speaks loudly about how miniscule and feeble your characters are. Do get help immediatly before even your own families are sickened and repulsed by your attitudes.
All you right wingers are whinny pathetic losers. Jon Stewart jealous of Rush Limbaugh? Maybe in an eating contest. But Stewart has shown time and time again that he can expose any politicians lies and crap, NO MATTER WHICH SIDE THEY'RE ON, by showing viewers clips of them opening their big mouths. There are certainly more Republicans than Democrats he skewers, but that's because the GOP have ruled the country with an iron fist for the past decade, which is why America is in the bad shape it is in. And all your hero Limbaugh can do is callously say that he wants Obama to fail in his efforts to clean up the mess Bush has gotten the country in. How disgusting.
Here's the difference. Jon Stewart cares about America. Rush Limbaugh cares only about himself. The fact that you would align yourselves with Rush speaks loudly about how miniscule and feeble your characters are. Do get help immediatly before even your own families are sickened and repulsed by your attitudes.
You people are just so *gross*. I mean, the thought of standing next to a liberal makes my skin crawl.
Liberals are stupid, and should never have the last word.
One could say the same thing about Rush.
Jon Stewart sure has a bug up his butt doesn't he?
I guess all of his silly faces can't help get rid of it.
My idea of funny? Rodney Dangerfield, Bill Cosby, Demetri Martin, Jackie Mason, Steven Wright, …….
Mine too.
I'm glad you brought this up. Stewart a Jewish name? I see where he got his "nome de plume". Thanks.
Elected through well crafted lies and ACORN fueled fraud. Obama reeks of illegitimacy and his policies will clearly never match his campaign rhetoric. He's a liar and will be bum rushed out of Washington D.C. and into the media the kisses his ass as a full time member. Like Clinton without the phony rasp.
Many here will defend your right to speak out, anybody that physically laid a hand on you would have to deal with a response that would include extreme prejudice if any of us were present, rest assured many of us are sick of the left and their Gestapo tactics.
is this the same "common man" that, through our great democratic process, has elected a left-wing controlled Congress & Whitehouse? I got a news flash for ya. The common man is leaning left these days, buddy.
don't let the landscape of fanatics here at Breitbart fool ya. It is US that surrounds YOU – on the west coast, east coast, southern and northern boarders! HA!.
1. Rush is not a politician.
2.. The clip of Rush was nothing more than him saying he was leaving NY. What "lies" and "crap" was Stewart exposing?. The only thing Stewart exposed in his little game was his own hatred.
3. Stewart cares about America but Limbaugh only cares about himself? Says who, you? Fool.
4. A White House directed attack on a radio host and all Obama's brownshirters is just one example of Obama's "iron fist."
5. Obama is not cleaning up any mess; he's using the 'never let a crisis go to waste' to radically change America into HIS vision of what America should be. He's been an anti-American his whole life as revealed clearly through his books, his mentors and associations throughout life (communists/Marxists), and his adherence to the Saul Alinsky way (which is what his community organizing was patterned after).
"The Obama administration is considering asking Congress to give the Treasury secretary unprecedented powers to initiate the seizure of non-bank financial companies such as large insures, investment firms, and hedge funds whose collapse would damage the broader economy, according to the administration document."
The Obama administration has also forced banks to take TARP money. Now it's about the government determining how much money people 'deserve' to be paid. People who don't even pay income taxes are getting a 'tax refund'. The Democrats are the ones who forced banks to lower lending practices to begin with.
You left-wingers are ignorant and uneducated. Masses of people impressed by 'celebrity' as America is pushed off a cliff. Stick to your comedians for news; the rest of us are not lemmings.
BTW, Obama didn't have much luck with NATO allies. You see, the supposed lack of charm by Bush was never the problem. Just another thing lefties are ignorant about.
You left-wingers are fools, utter fools;
"us conservatives"? Please sir you're hardly a conservative. I think more likely an ACORN "website watcher"
Remember that Line from "A few good men"? You can't handle the truth! Well that's the left for you. They can't handle the truth. If they could they might tell it every now and then.
People are entitled to think Stewart is not funny. I never suggested otherwise. And I listen to Rush. My primary point was and still is that its a silly hyperbolic argument that mimics the very behavior it decries and I find such commentary from the conservative side of the aisle to not be very useful.
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I never claimed Rush used profanity, and if he had that would not be a big deal to me anyway. I use profanity. Rush has made comments people find offensive. Lets not pretend the man has never offended anyone. For example, the caller he told to call back after they had removed the bone from their nose. Thats offensive. Maybe it doesn't offend you, but there are plenty of people, me among them, who find that offensive. Am I at home crying in my milk about it, no, its not that deep. But you cannot argue that
Rush has never been offensive to anybody. Thats just silly and off my point besides. I think its dumb and silly to label Stewarts comments "hate speech". Someone else made the point that we ought not appropriate the language of the left. I think thats a good point. As for the lefty interloper bit, that typifies the GOP's problem (I'm not sure about the conservative movement in general, still thinking on it) but this idea that I have to think exactly like you in order to be judged a proper conservative is wrongheaded. It is fascinating to me that in every conservative forum where my viewpoint runs counter to the herd, this is the typical response, to discount my view by asserting I'm not a "true conservative" which amounts to nothing more than an assertion that I don't agree with you. Since I find no value in handwringing about the "hate speech" of Stewart, I'm not a proper conservative. Thats a brilliant argument.
You shut up. You're ignorant and incapable of conducting a reasoned conversation. Your rabid dog response of insult and name calling give conservatives a bad name. Its telling that this is the kind of response you have to someone simply expressing their opinion. You don't agree with my view, you can simply say so and leave it there, but you want to jump off into sorry attempts at intimidation and name calling. You're a conservative, but clearly a stupid one.
He is, he is doin your mot her.
Happy?
Its indicative of the GOP's problem. Conservative principles which are supposed to underlie the GOP are superior to the ideas that underlie democrat political practice. We have a better foundation to build from. However, we have serious problems with our political practice within the GOP. The response to my comment is indicative of the problem. You're expected to think a particular way. If you don't, you're almost immediately branded as not being a conservative. Thats the reaction I got for the advancing the simple idea that I don't find anything useful in calling Stewart's rant on Rush "hate speech" and in fact, given that Rush is the master of political take down, its hilarious to think that Stewart even manages a glancing rhetorical blow here. I just don't find it useful, but that gets responded to like some form of heresy. I don't think we do ourselves any favors with that kind of approach and as you can see from some of the response, it QUICKLY devolves to name calling and insult. I didn't offer such first, but I don't have a problem with responding to it.
So glad to know that you're not doing any "hand wringing" however the "bone in the nose" comment must have left quite an impression because it stuck in your memory. Those who choose to be offended will almost ALWAYS find something to be offended about.
Puhlease..The jerk calling himself "Guy Arthur Thomas" is obviously a lefty plant. They send them out to make TRUE conservatives look bad.
Who is Jon Stewart? I've never heard of him. Some of these folks I've never seen or heard except for excerpts on Rush's or O'Reilly's shows. I've noticed that statist are very hate-filled.
Here we go again. Why am I not a conservative? Because I don't agree with you and Jennings about calling Stewart's comments "hate speech". I'm not a conservative because I don't find anything about that useful? Is it conservative to name call and disparage me by calling me an ACORN website watcher? Is that how you carry the conservative banner? Is this what passes for the exchange of ideas in the conservative sphere?
I don't like it when people say extremely provocative things and then hide behind the cloak of satire or comedy to deflect criticism. I think its intellectual cowardice when people make that their standard practice for saying things they would not say straight out. Stewart's bit is amusing at times, but I can't claim to be regular watcher. Maher I sort of detest because his smug anti religion animus is very off putting. I don't have cable, so I don't see Colbert and Franklin and don't have an opinion really on them, but they are a part of the cable talking heads who I generally think do very poor jobs of informing the public.
For anger and hatefulness, I'm not sure anyone has that market cornered. Its getting ugly out there.
Frankly CD, nobody gives a $hit what you think. This is the game as defined by the radical left now we're all choosing sides.
"And shall we just carelessly allow children to hear any casual tales which may be devised by casual persons, and to receive into their minds ideas for the most part the very opposite of those which we should wish them to have when they grow up.
We cannot.
Then the first thing will be to establish a censorship of the writers of fiction, and let the censors receive any tale of fiction that is good and reject the bad; and we will desire mothers and nurses to tell their children the authorized ones only"
Plato's Republic Chapter II.
If you're truly a conservative you don't need to point it out. As for being called a name? Hmm, I hardly doubt that but call it what you will.
Plato's Chosen have thought like this for 3000 years. The left are dictatorial tyrants. However like the ancient Greeks and Romans they equated their rule with a moral clarity that gave them the authority to proscribe thought. A conservative does not censor liberals, he answers them. When a liberal makes a statement that is unfair or wrong the conservative attacks the argument and explains its folly. The left believe their argument is superior and therefore have decided they don't need to answer us. The fact that we find fault with their perceived wisdom of Mount Olympus is enough for then to censure us.
It is probably the most evil aspect of their philosophy.
Plato's Chosen have thought like this for 3000 years. The left are dictatorial tyrants. However like the ancient Greeks and Romans they equated their rule with a moral clarity that gave them the authority to proscribe thought. A conservative does not censor liberals, he answers them. When a liberal makes a statement that is unfair or wrong the conservative attacks the argument and explains its folly. The left believe their argument is superior and therefore have decided they don't need to answer us. The fact that we find fault with their perceived wisdom of Mount Olympus is enough for them to censure us.
It is probably the most evil aspect of their philosophy.
You're dodging the point. I was asked to provide an example of something offensive Rush said, I gave you one. It is offensive, its the kind of comment that could provoke a fight if you said it to someone's face. Your response to an example of something that is offensive, is to suggest that anyone who got offended about that is being thin skinned. I don't think that particular one is really debatable. He was talking to a black female caller as I recall and its an offensive thing to say. Now if you and I have to debate that very commonsense position, we're not going to have any meeting of the minds at all. But if you have an acquaintance or friend or co-worker thats black, ask them if they have a problem with a comment like that. Maybe thats cute for Rush on his show where he can hang up on somebody, but I'm sure you're a decent person and you would not think it was appropriate to make a comment like that to a black person you know. That one's not deep.
Well, thats an interesting angle to go with. Exactly what the heck is "hate speech" anyway? Do we have some common definition we are working with? I react to this terminology the same way I do when black and white people start labeling stuff "racist". The reality is that because for a long period of time black folks have labeled things as racist that were not, the word has lost any meaning in our discourse. White people now throw the word "racist" around with equal abandon to label things and its become meaningless. I get into debates with people who are using this terminology and the first thing I want is for them to define their terms, because I have no idea to what their referring when they label something "racist".
This strikes me the same way. Stewart says get the f**k out of here and other not nice things and Jennings says thats "hate speech". So I have to ask, exactly what the heck does that mean?
And I have to disagree with you about Rush. He attacks the argument sure, but he attacks people as well. I think its disingenuous to act as though Rush is any less hard hitting that Stewart or any of these others out there. In fact, Rush's audience is bigger than all these other guys, so I'd argue he's better at it.
[...] the Left I thought conservatives were the only group that was guilty of hate speech until I heard Jon Stewart’s rant on Rush Limbaugh. But, that was preceded by New York Governor David Paterson. And, that was preceded by David [...]
I'm sorry you had that experience with FB. We've hooked back up with some friends who are decidedly left-leaning through FB as well. Luckily, we have hooked up with some who are more thoughful and have had some productive discussions where we have managed to make them see that conservatives are mainly interested in minimal government and personal liberty and in more area than they realize, we can agree when we actually come to the table and talk rather than lob emotion bombs at one another.
Than there are the ones like you describe who sound like the typical thoughtless sheeple who can't think beyond MSM party-line.
There are examples of un-rational screeching that should be called hate speech, clearly illogical and provided without supporting facts. Saying all jew
elers are inbred monsters who should be slaughtered and sent to ovens clearly qualifies, since "all" would include converts.But the term is highly overused, and far from equally applied.
BTW, anybody get hit by the moderation beast since the changes?
If you're truly not a racist, you don't need to point it out.
See how functionally useless that construction is? I'm not impugning some race thing to you in anyway, merely making the point that the logic of the statements is the same. And who are you kidding? The ACORN bit is an insult.
Look up "Chesty Puller" before going on a oh-so-sanctimonious rant.
Oh wait, history was something you never bothered to read, right?
You might want to look at the percentage totals. You don't have quite as much control as you think… or want us icky awful people who disagree with you to think. That is your game, isn't it?
Though thanks for showing yourself as another "tyranny of the majority" supporter. The typical mindset found in lynch mobs across the globe and throughout history.
There were the anti-semites coming in blaming everything on Israel and Jews, oh sorry, Zionists and such. Somehow I think our oh-so-enlightened critic wasn't thinking of that.
Maybe he'll pull the "code words" load of manure as his proof?
Well IF you CHOOSE to be insulted then by all means BE insulted.
I shouldn't give this fruitcake anymore exposure but speaking of freakin' hate speech this guy takes the cake.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/04...
Actually, their unfortunate (but justly constitutionally-protected, I stress) stance on homosexuals aside, I think that in theory the BSA is a fine organization with a lot to offer. The Priesthood is, to a lesser degree (at least MOST of what you can learn in Scouts you can actually USE at some point) much the same way IMO. But they're BOTH, unless my experience was a complete aberration, packed to the gills with who-do-they-think-they're-kidding closeted gays. Not a positive or a negative, just an observation.
Actually, their unfortunate (but justly constitutionally-protected, I stress) stance on homosexuals aside, I think that in theory the BSA is a fine organization with a lot to offer. The Priesthood is, to a lesser degree (at least MOST of what you can learn in Scouts you can actually USE at some point) much the same way IMO. But they're BOTH, unless my experience was a complete aberration, packed to the gills with who-do-they-think-they're-kidding closeted gays. Not a positive or a negative, just an observation.
Your observation about the Boy Scouts and priesthood being packed with gays (I was a scout for about two weeks and though Catholic, never an alter boy so I can't confirm or deny your observation) brings up an unsettling issue, why are gays attracted to groups that contain underage boys?
Oh, come now… you can do better than that.
You brought it up. Sounds like you don't want to follow where it goes.
Sorry, but this is pretty much a non-useful argument. Being a decent person doesn't work when one side is certain they absolutely can't be wrong and all the other side is doing is arguing their level of wrongness. It's why we've stopped talking about race in this country, the second you step away from completely-tolerant non-critical you're labeled a tool, a fool, or some form of racist. You can't find intellectual discourse for that reason. The Socratic method was invented by slave-owning dead white guys to keep the brother down.
I gather from your picture and comments you regard yourself to be a black conservative. I'd rather you were just a conservative. The liberals do self-labeling, the Democrats have long been known as the party of inclusion. They'll include any small-minded self-centered group whose votes they can lock in without pissing off too badly one they already have.
Brother, are you ready to join the fight?
I'm pretty sure it's the indignant tone that's been putting people off. Pouncing on statements and declaring insult is liberal stock and trade. It helps to recognize the attempt at humor in the piece, the revealing of hypocrisy by the left on the subject. That should have happened from the very first line, "I thought conservatives were the only group that was guilty of hate speech…" If you really want to be known as an offended conservative, should have started there. You didn't, which leaves two interpretations, you're a conservative who recognizes self-deprecating humor, which is sort of counter-indicated by your non-humorous dead-serious taking-offense posts, or you breezed over it because you accept it as true. And why would a conservative do that?
Marshal Stewart: "We'uns don't want your pro-freedom kind in this town, boy."
You realize "cutting the cable" means no Fox News with sexual harasser O'Reilly, man-jawed Van Susteren, and "I hate 9/11 families" Glenn Beck, right? Not a bad idea, come to think of it…
ahhhhhhhh nothing like celebrity stalkers to warm the heart!
[...] Hate Speech Resides on the Left by Brian Jennings [...]
Certainly expresses the validation of reason…
I remember that time…I think they need to bring back Craig Kilborn!
Especially his brilliant success in destroying the British Empire (between gins…)
It must have been the neck of the woods you grew up in because I was both a Boy Scout and Altar Boy until high school graduation and I can't say that I ever noticed "funny" stuff in either group from any of the adults (in Boy Scouts) or priests in church.
You sure you weren't projecting? …just sayin'.
I've seen a few clips of Stewart and maybe it's just me but I don't find seething scorn of conservatives all that funny. People like Robin Williams, George Lopez, Seinfeld, Bob Hope to me are funny. The fact that younger people get their news and political information from a so-called comedian scares me quite frankly.
Don Rickles was actually funny most times. I don't think he takes himself seriously whereas Stewart truly thinks his thoughts are profound….
Actually I find him a sad person filled with mindless rage. What I don't care for is that people actually think he's reporting the news. In 50 years people won't remember who he was.
Nice use of the strike to get around the moderation.
Glad you have no strong opinions on the matter Madelyn …..
Good Post!
You say you "blew milk out of your nose." You ask, "You're kidding, right?" You denounce the examples given, which include calling Limbaugh a douchebag and having a taste for murder, as "laughable."
Then you get on your high horse about the offensive tone others use? Next time, think before you post. Maybe you won't have to backpedal so much.
Thanks. I shall.
*sigh*. Tone is the issue then is it? Well, sorry that the tone isn't to the crowd's liking. I don't think a complaint about tone has anything to do with my essential point, which was that I thought Jennings "hate speech" riff was non useful hyperbole, as pompous in its own way as you say Stewart is.
The extended "your'e not really a conservative" argument is tired. I'm only a conservative if I echo your take on this post is what I think that argument amounts too. Thats not a particularly good argument as it simply says if you don't subscribe to our groupthink, you're not a conservative. The right excoriates the left as the home of the truly intolerant, but the suggestion that talking about "hate speech" isn't useful to advance the conservative cause means I'm not a "real" conservative. I don't see how you can take that position and still crow that the right is the most tolerant of different points of view. That mild difference of opinion is enough to land me a -50 point score and repeated accusations of having no conservative convictions. What people say does not square with what they do.
As for tone, I think there is quite a good deal of "indignation" here to go around.
I don't think my horse is any higher than yours. Limbaugh spends his day lambasting the liberal left and he routinely asserts or insinuates negatives on the left as mean as douche bag and murderer all the time, which is really beside the point. I'm not invested in attacking Limbaugh nor defending Stewart, thats not my point. My point was and remains that the "hate speech" riffing of Jennings is silly and not useful. If you dig it, and clearly most of you do, fine. I found it a useless bit of commentary.
Fair enough.
I should perhaps elaborate that in the case of the Scouts I'm not referring to adult Scoutmasters – I only ever knew ONE person of authority in my region of the organization whom I was reasonably certain (and much later on in life became entirely certain) was a homosexual was a female Den Mother. The likely closeted (or not) gays I encountered as a Scout were OTHER Scouts, i.e. other 'underage boys.'
The Priesthood is, unfortunately, another matter altogether. I was NEVER involved directly in anything "untoward" as an altar boy (though a Priest I worked under was years later removed from a position of authority amid allegations of bad behavior) but what's known is what's known. I would say that a majority of the Priests I worked with were "suspected" of being gay by myself and my peers, a perhaps juvenile reaction that I none the less do not think was all that far from the mark looking back.
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I happen to think that homosexuals of prior generations were "drawn" to the priesthood for reasons largely pertaining to shame: Depending on how deeply in-denial they were, the Priesthood was an all-male "society" that would both give them "cover" to their (likely proud-as-hell) families and/or opportunity to "cleanse" their "sinful" desires.
Unfortunately, that same lure of hiding-place and/or "career penance" is likely equally attractive to pedophiles, though they of course have INFINITELY more insidious doings to be hiding and INFINITELY worse things to "get up to" under cover of the cloth.
And yet, the tone of your posts has improved, and you're not getting negatives now.
Look, let's just take a quick look at this thread. "…my essential point, which was that I thought Jennings "hate speech" riff was non useful hyperbole, as pompous in its own way as you say Stewart is." Okay, this is the same fluff we get from the left, while we have real work to get done. Valid point.
Now let's go to the start of this thread. Alright, that's not hate speech from Stewart, Rush has said far worse things that qualify.
You starting to see where some of the "indignation" was coming from? Granted it was a bit hair-trigger, but replies can fly fast around here and there's sensitivity towards trollish behavior. Now with the emotions wearing off, your comments don't look that bad, got some good stuff in there. But at the time…
Fine, I'll accept you as a fellow conservative. If you keep to reason and let the emotion go, lingering anger and resentment are hallmarks of the opposition. There's a pretty smart crowd around here, the first responders have already calmed down, so now I guess it's your turn. Is that asking a lot? Maybe. But you're the one saying we've got important work to do, and anger, especially among ourselves, isn't called for right now. As it's said, don't get angry, get even. 2010 is coming soon…
The new system is being a pain. First Post, and see the HTML tags become ampersand notation. Immediately Edit, replace notation with what you had to begin with, then Save (re-post), and the system finally takes it. Took three tries to get it right. I pasted an URL in a post, no tags, on it's own line, system brought it up as plain text. Edit, Save (no changes), then it was a link!
I'm wondering if there is moderation right now, with the tags the first three letters are separate and it should have noticed. I could have just used something different in quotes to avoid moderation, what was done was more of a test.
Oh and your rapid rant is…reasoned? STFU Jesse Jr.
Did you enjoy calling me Jesse Jr. ? Race based insults. How original. And yes, my rapid rant is more reasoned than anything you have said or will say.
LOL! Omg, this made me laugh so hard. Jon jealous of rush? LOL! ROFLXD I'm sure that's itxD What a sad post. Just really sad. People LOVE Jon Stewart. He is funny and populair. only bitter old people listen to Rush and his hateful ranting. attacking a man for suffering for Parkinson's, being sexist etc. He's done it all. Hate Jon all you want. He's the one with the emmy's, the smart fanbase and being loved. Nice try though.
i saw nothing wrong with any of those comments. keep supporting the racist jerk Rush
Fools the democrats are propping up Rush so as to make him an issue the next election the dems are the ones who want to make him perceived as strong and a leader in the republican party
The funny part about your post is that viewers who get the majority of their news from the Daily Show have been proven to be more informed than viewers who get the majority of their news from Fox News.
A comedy show is more accurate than Fox News. If you are concerned about being well informed it would be in your best interest to take a more serious look at the failings of Fox News.
I love how you guys have resorted to attempting to bludgeon a comedy show. Trust me, it won't work. Still, you made me smile. Here's a quote – I don't think it will help, but it's worth a try.
"I have long felt that any reviewer who expresses rage and loathing for a novel is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae or a banana split." – Kurt Vonnegut
fat white guy with a goatee wrote this article
You admitted you were a douchebag. Nice one, douche.
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