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I was never able to forgive him for being a contentious objector, I've tried, can't do it.
A lot of the ridiculous attitudes affected by modern sports stars originated with Ali – which is one reason I stopped watching professional sports – so don't expect me to be anything other than critical. The idea of, "good sportsmanship" is passe and nearly dead because of this man.
I had the opportunity to see him spar at Yakota AFB in Japan when he was on his way to Manilla. I passed. Already, at age 13, I knew there was something, "not right" about his schtick. Turns out he referred to the Base Commander – a full-bird colonel – as, "Sarge" throughout his stay. No class.
Guys you NEED to watch these videos from 1992. Listen carefully and you will see how Cap and Trade was hatched a LONG time ago. It would be nice if Andrew or Glenn Beck could feature these in a story because these are VERY important for what is going on with the economic meltdown of today also. I came across them purely by accident while looking up something else entirely.
PLEASE pass them on to others. For the record I have also come across in print some of the quotes this guy is stating by Rockefeller, I just have to find them.
http://www.boomfox.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4...
Now we get the political Rope-a-Dope from today's"World's Greatest" egomaniac, great
But IMO the voters of Massachusetts are about to deliver the Boy Wonder a hideous shock and reality check… one that's as desperately needed as it is long, long overdue…
http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com...
Two words…." Smokin' Joe " Frazier.
Smokin' Joe was my man. I met him at a fight when I was about 11 years old — "Irish" Jerry Quarry was on the card and was due to face Frazier a few months down the road. Frazier was there to do some scouting. He shook my hand, signed an autograph and was just the nicest guy you could imagine.
Clay/Ali is a jerk.
Cassius Clay, the Louisville Lip, was the greatest. He truly floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee. At his apogee, he beat the sh*t out of everybody. No one in the world could go toe to toe with him in the squared circle.
Then he met the honorable Elijah Mohammed, and the way I heard the story ole E. M. did to him what most of worldwide Islam wants to do to the USA – namely economically bust us out.
And from what I know, Frazier is doing very well nowadays, while Ali is suffering severely.
Karma?
Ali should have never called the great Joe Frazier an "ugly gorilla".
And many people tell me Frazier was robbed of the decision in the "Thrilla in Manila".
This is the man who brought us the now-common displays of bad sportsmanship. Forget anything else he did, I will never forgive him for that.
I don't follow boxing. Wouldn't surprise me if Mohammed Ali was a jerk in person, but he was one fine looking hunk o' man flesh in his heyday.
I used to hold Ali in high regard, that is until I saw the documentary about the "Thrilla in Manilla." What Ali did to Smokin' Joe leading up to that fight was reprehensible. Joe was a good friend to Ali, even loaned him money. Ali repaid Joe by stabbing him in the back and calling him an ugly gorilla and Uncle Tom. Frazier beat his a** in Manilla, and Ali deserved it.
Check out the new version of "Mmm Mmm Mmm Barack Hussein Obama" at: http://www.myspace.com/rogerweber
You'll get a laugh! And don't you need one these days?
Somebody tell me why Cindy Sheehan is protesting at Dick Cheney’s house? She’s either senile, suffering from a seriously bad case of nostalgia for the good old days, or no one told her about the 2008 elections. This woman needs to be institutionalized.
Maybe DC will take her hunting.
They're pulling out all stops for Coakley!
WHITE HOUSE REQUESTS AID FROM HAITI
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/white...
Citizens of (thank DrEdu!) Massaschusetts – BRING a CAMERA or VIDEO CAMERA to the polls tuesday. SEIU et al WILL BE INTIMIDATING VOTERS,
If you are obviously NOT union or a "person of color" voter these Democrat(SS) wiil be after YOU! If you're a senior citizen ask a family member to go with you to vote. These criminal unions are getting HUGE tax advantages and are STEALING your Medicare BENEFITS.
You PAID for those benefits, don't let a UNION THUG STEAL THEM!
This is for ALL the socialist marbles. Unions STAND to benefit BIG from this "Healthcare Sham" and this criminal administration.
It's "quid pro quo" now Clarese, "quid pro quo". I'd LOVE to hear the phone calls between Obama and SEIU
Now that's an excellent idea! LOL!
Here's a doozy of a story for you on Cass Sunstein
http://www.salon.com/news/cass_sunstein/index.htm...
Gotta love this…
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.b...
Vicki Kennedy:
Regarding Obama’s visit, she said the president’s support was not a sign that the Coakley campaign was in trouble but served to focus attention on important national issues in the campaign.
Yeah. Right.
Coakley & Obama = Chowdah Head & Big Whiffah
I can't wait until Tuesday.
Being a fan of boxing from my childhood years, as well as a practicioner of the "Sweet science", I would have to disagree with anyone who states simply that "Ali was/is the greatest boxer of all time"…..Uhhh, no, what Ali did to boxing and sports in general was to alienate huge droves of people because of his mouth and his highly unprofessional sportsmanship. If you watch his fights where he was actually fighting someone of high caliber(Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman), you must notice that Ali's strategy was not so much to "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee", but to go into rope-a-dope mode and absorb a tremendous amount of punishment until his opponent punched himself out, then Ali would move in. No doubt, Ali had the heart of a lion, but look where it got him, he's the most punch drunk fighter in todays boxing scene. BTW, all of the aforementioned boxers, at one time or another, beat Ali, many people have a misconception of Ali being undefeated……..
Ali was never the greatest, and never will be. At his apogee he was defeated by Joe Frazier, Ken Norton(who broke Ali's jaw, although in a loss) and George Foreman. Ali's ego preceeded himself, he took too much punishment and he stayed around way too long, look at him today, a result of his "brilliant" strategy of rope-a-dope……..
Joe Frazier is twice the men Ali will ever be.George Foreman is 10 times the man Ali will ever be. I don't know about Karma, but Ali's own strategy of rope-a-dope got him to the state of confusion he lives in today.
I thought she was running against Nancy P for Congress. Maybe its a political stunt to generate excitement among the voters at Berkely. Doew not matter to Dems if Berkely is in the district I guess. Honeswtly I don't know which of those two crazed magpies would scare me more in congress.
I could be wrong, but believe Ali's health problems are more physical rather than mental impairments. His mind has been functional but the problems with movement and speech we see must be their own type of hell to live with. The last I read of someone meeting him had him enjoying the attention but was reduced to having his thoughts and answers conveyed by a loved one. This was back at the Olympic torch lighting event though.
Things not lookin' too good for Mah-tha:
http://spectator.org/blog/2010/01/17/massachusett...
Great men have been amog us:hands that penned
And tongues that uttered wisdom–better none
The later Sidney, Marvel, Harrington,
Young Vane, and others who called Milton friend
These moralists could act and comprehend:
They knew how genuine glory was put on;
Taught us how rightfully a nation shone
In splendour: what strength was, that would not bend
But in magnanimous meekness. France, 'tis strange,
Hath brought forth no souls as we had then.
Perpetual emptiness! unceasing change!
No single volume paramount, no code,
No master spirit, no determined road;
But equally a want of books and men
– William Wordsworth "Great Men have been among us"
Here is a poem by Wordsworth I came accross that defined the politics of his time for Engalnd and France, yet I think England in the poem is a metaphor for America's past and Obama's America today. Enjoy!
I know Iknow Gibbs and Olberman will just say he is stupid like Dan Quayle because he mispelled splendor. Wordsworth was I guess as Shakespeare would say "a motley to the view" – Sonnet 110
Scott Brown. A good one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cumm5J7WPF8
love the kid at the end…
"either senile, suffering from a seriously bad case of nostalgia for the good old days, or no one told her about the 2008 elections. "
d) all of the above.
But no boxer has had the personality/fame/presence that Ali had, and no-one brought boxing so deep into popular culture. He had many flaws, but his showmanship has yet to be equalled. There just isn't anyone who galvanized the sport so much. Ask people around the world to name a boxer, and I'd bet Ali's name _still_ comes first. Now? it's all about mixed martial arts, and who's the top boxer? Pacquiao? Perhaps a fine athlete, but none of Ali's charisma.
Concerning being "punch drunk"; not only do the symptoms of repeated, hard, focused blows to the head manifest in mental impairments, they are realised in physical symptoms as well. Often, a fighter who is "punch drunk" will exhibit physical manifestations seemingly mimicking Parkinsons Disease. For years now, Ali has been on a very limited schedule concerning public appearances, being able to sign a small number of autographs, for instance, simply because he cannot hold a pen in his hand for an extended period of time. In the last 5-8 years, or so, Ali has also shown the rapid decline in mental acuity that is so often the sign of being "punch drunk". As it were, Ali was never a defensive genius, and, in fact, was quite a lazy fighter, preferring to absorb many, many blows, instead of moving, ducking, bobbing and weaving. 2 fine examples of the "old school" defense, where you don't actually get hit are Floyd Mayweather and James Toney. These 2 fighters move, turn their bodies to present a very small target, roll their shoulders, etc., something Ali never continued to do as his career progressed………. Hanzo
I stand corrected. I was remembering Ali before he wasrightly banned from fighting because he refused to be drafted during the Viet Nam war.
It was called a BTU tax in 1992 by clinton
Ali was always about himself. I never understood the allure of the "Ali mystique", he was a train wreck, although not on the scale of say, Mike Tyson…..
Welllllll, there was 1 Oscar De La Hoya, for starters. No doubt Ali had showmanship, but I believe the jury is still out on whether Ali's legacy to boxing will be negative or positive in the long run. In boxing circles, many fighters are ranked ahead of Ali in skill. But, as you said, the average person on the street has been subjected to the "Ali" drone over the years and simply dosen't know better, as is the case, I believe, in all sports. The true contributors, the best athletes in every sport, are often over shadowed by hype and glory seekers, and certainly Ali is both. hype and glory seeking………
Did De La Hoya ever get to fight Superman in his own comic book? I think not! Maybe because I was a kid in the 70's, Ali made MUCH more of an impression on pop culture than De La Hoya ever has, although De La Hoya has certainly proved to be the better businessman. Not saying there aren't good/better boxers today, but I'm saying none have affected the culture overall the way Ali did, and boxing doesn't seem to enjoy the significance it had in the public eye even ten years ago.
If Ali is the first boxer people think of, I'd bet the second would be Rocky Balboa.
I despise Ali. The mere sight of him makes me sick.
Ali got to fight Superman in his own comic book? I never knew it existed, who won?;-) I'm also a 70's childhood refugee, and I realise the impact Ali had on pop culture, which is fading more and more everyday.If you go into certain segments of society you'd realise the true impact men like ODH have had on their own pop culture.ODH is idolised by many, many hispanic youths today. To say boxing dosen't enjoy the significance it had in the public eye even ten years ago I think is wrong. MMA was supposed to have pushed boxing off the national radar screen ten years ago, and hasn't made an appreciable impact on it yet. Simply look at the revenues of MMA versus boxing. IMO, MMA has over exposed itself, while boxing suffers from being underexposed. A pay-per view boxing match of top contenders FAR outsells any MMA show, anytime, time after time.
I definitely agree with your statement about Ali and pop culture though. My point is Ali was hyped and put into everyone's face, how could he not be popular? Rocky Balboa second most known boxer? Ha ha, that's excellent!! LMAO. That wouldn't surprise me one bit, to the "Average Joe"………..
Where was Ali when Howard Cosell was in trouble for saying such an innocuous statement? Cosell defended this man when it meant sticking out his own neck.
Ali is gutless. I like watching Ken Norton bust him up on ESPN Classic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_vs._Muhamma...
In just a few short hours, the Massachusettes miracle may begin. Who would have thought a little known Repulican would have had a snowballs chance in hell of taking a senate seat in Mass?
I have known a few Muslims from the Middle East over the years that I met before 911. I can tell you with much confidence that the "honorable Elijah Mohammed" and the Nation of Islam were looked upon by them as an example of Islam the same way we would view a cult like the Branch Davidians as an example of Christianity.
This was recognized by Malcolm X when he visitied Mecca and met Muslims who were not using their position to force underage girls into their bedroom. Of course Elijah had him shot for that. The problem e have today is that any Muslim that speak up against the Wahhabi Saudis today also gets shot. Evidence the Greens in Iran.
Does any candidate ever provide Health Insurance to the volunteers that work in their campaigns. I worked as a consulattant for an IT auditing firm as a1099 contractor. I did not receive inurance. I did receive an hourly salary at twice what I made as an employee previous. Course the gig lasted four months. I assume that the top staff at a campaign are similar positions. Ma tha must be desperate if she is trying to make the statement that Brown does not give his campaign people Health Insurance. God almighty that is simply pathetic.. Thanks for these links Jimmy.
Too cool, thanks!
…….Hanzo
That is a true classic right there, for sure. I believe Ali's greatest talent was to be able to absorb a punch, and he's paying for it today….
"My honor student beat up France", Just sayin'
Hanzo…..
I'm sure you still are!
Say what you want but Ali was the consummate showman. He knew promotion.
"Float like a butterfly; sting like a bee!"
Joe Frazier is twice the men Ali will ever be.George Foreman is 10 times the man Ali will ever be. I don't know about Karma, but Ali's own strategy of rope-a-dope got him to the state of confusion he lives in today.
So was I ! : )
nice photo
By the way, the Superman vs. Ali comic will be reprint in two new editions:
http://www.popcultureshock.com/supermanali-reprin...
I've only seen the comic in a museum so this will be worth checking out.
maatkare is correct that unlike many of his peers Ali was more willing to (shamelessly?) market himself, thus garnering a more iconic public image. Even stunts like Ali fighting the Man of Steel enabled him tap into an audience outside the diehard boxing fanbase.
So, love him or hate him, Ali has had a major impact on pop culture.
Remember that time Ali served his country? Oh, wait. How 'bout that time Ali showed great sportsmanship and grace in victory? Ah, hell, I give up.
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Agreed. I've read Islamic analysts who say that if the Islamic flag ever flew over America that the Black Muslims would be given the same choices as Christians: conversion, tax or extermination.
However, M X didn't have a good look at the "true" Islamics.
According to the people I am reading, Iranian clerics routinely rape and sell the women of their competitors to other Muslims outside of Iran.
Then there are men in, I believe, Yemen who force children to race camels. Those boys end up with their master's penises where the sun don't shine.
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And yes, the Wahabis along with their Muslim Brotherhood allies are among the most fervent advocates of a New World Order run by a caliphate.
Much of the problems we are having in Pakistan have to do with Saudi money financing thousands of maddrasses.
I didn't realize that Saudi Sunnis reached so directly into Shia Iran.
However, to some extent that religious division isn't absolute. Osama Bin Laden's father was a Sunni from Yemen, while his mother was a Shia from Syria. Thus it makes perfect sense that OBL is quite likely being helped by Iran, even though he grew up in Saudi Arabia.
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Agreed. I've read Islamic analysts who say that if the Islamic flag ever flew over America that the Black Muslims would be given the same choices as Christians: conversion, tax or extermination.
However, M X didn't have a good look at the "true" Islamics.
According to the people I am reading, Iranian clerics routinely rape and sell the women of their political competitors to other Muslims outside of Iran.
Then there men in, I believe, Yemen who force children to race camels. Those boys end up with their masters’ penises where the sun don't shine.
Considering how easy it was to get a deferment from the draft and avoid VN service, the case against Ali now appears to be one of pure pique and nothing more. I won't even begin to go down the dishonor roll especially since it includes so many who are now prominent Repubs. Suffice it to say that if you were white and of sufficient means, legally avoiding the draft was a no-brainer. Ali was a high profile case who awakened a new goldan era for a previously dormant and historically tawdry sport. Thus was he prosecuted in a high profile manner.
I too was a boxer once. Who was the greatest boxer? Why, Ali. I was a career Infantry Marine also. Since the deferments were granted on the flimsiest of grounds, who deserved a pass on VN service more? A yet to make his political spurs Dick Cheney or Ali at the peek of his art?
Answer to the question: Indisputably Ali.
and I bet he did't even work up a sweat huh!
Actually, it was my daughter
…………… Hanzo
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