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The quality of a man's character, not the color of his skin. Such clarity of thought and conviction. That is a truly awe-inspiring challenge and legacy that Dr. KIng has given us.
Dont forget people… Dr. King was a republican. Thank you Dr. King for all your work… we sure could use you now.
How much better "Race Relations" would have been if Dr. King were allowed to finish his mission.
What a great, great man. I just wish the political hacks would allow us to be a colorblind society, instead of forcing race-issues on use every time they lose influence.
Seeing how those who came after him have so brutally twisted his vision into something it was never meant to be, I imagine that Dr. King –wherever he is now — is either very frustrated, or very relieved to be out of the fight.
Over-hyped.
Someone convince me why MLK deserves a holiday day?
Compare Dr King's vision of the importance and dignity of the individual to Obama's vision of society as a piggy bank for thugs, cronies, bribery, and arm-twisting to see just how far we've fallen from the dream of a color-blind society.
On the other hand,
Some guys have all the luck:
SEN. BEN NELSON IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH PIZZA HUT OVER NEW TOPPING
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/sen-b...
As long as there is a discernible differenc among us, the Illiberals and Regressives will exploit it for political gain. For them, race is just the gift that just keeps on giving. Be sure that they will never give it up as long as the players and the played are willing to feed off each other.
Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. helped to begin a dynasty in the fight for the respect and dignity for each American. Here is the website of his niece, Alveda King. She is a conservative and very involved in the pro-life movement. She is the daughter of another assassinated civil rights leader, Reverend Doctor A. D. Williams King.
http://www.kingforamerica.com/
p.s. if you're on facebook, she had great post on there as well.
What a great American. Segregation was a disgrace (foisted upon us by the Democrats, of course). He made America better, and for that this conservative salutes him!
He would be truly ashamed to see how his work has been twisted into the nanny state of today.
Before you get all high and mighty about what a great person MLK was, you should watch this video. It kind of brings him back to the real world (NSFW).
Content of character – those that have it cannot tolerate the current mess, and those who don't are running amok. It's fairly clear who is whom.
He's one of the truest Christians our country has ever known.
A "republican" who was bitterly against the Vietnam War, mind you…
No one I know is under the impression that the man was perfect, but he was a true believer in civil rights and equality, and he was a far cry from the hucksters passing themselves off as "civil rights leaders" today. Is is an inspiring figure, despite his shortcomings (maybe his shortcomings make him more sympathetic), and what Christian has not sinned?
We'd be in better shape if our current leaders had MLK's vision and character.
He was a Republican, until he got arrested, and it took a call from President Kennedy to get him out…he then changed his party to democrat….sad!
I would submit that with the election of beloved leader, That MLK's vision has come true. Therefore, we live in that vision that he had of people being judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. The problem we now have is that the majority of the electorate have a really hard time judging someone's character. That appears to be changing. Go Brown!!!
Coming from a plagarizing, adulteress communist it seems kind of like bull shit.
I thought MLK´s bedroom was bugged with the knowledge and acquiescence of attorney general Robert Kennedy.
My only comment about MLK is that I wish the left and the Dems would live up to the "content of character " he spoke about as much as they say they do. If they did, then they wouldn't still be living with their bigotry of low expectations when it comes to blacks and other minorities.
J.C. Watts, former rep of OK, told Hannity a couple of years ago that the Dems don't recognize minority achievement unless it is given to them by government. That about sums it up.
The "Rev." in his name is so… awkward.
thanks for this, I'm going to look her up on FB as well
That's psycho-babble.
That's truly subjective. Thanks anyway.
So you want to not judge people by the color of their skin, but you holler "Go Brown"?
Yes, yes I do holler "Go Brown"
Because I do believe that content of character DOES matter, I will holler for Scott Brown all day long.
heh, heh, heh
TCM tonight. One of Mitchum's best with great supporting cast. "The Friends of Eddie Coyle" A good one:
http://www.tcm.com/video/videoPlayer/?cid=285043&...
12:45/Eastern 9:45/Pacific
Happy Birthday Dr.King,,,We were well on our way to becoming a color blind society until this huckster in the WH came along.
Someone forgot to tell little barry obama that he was also supposed to judge people based on the content of their character rather than on the color of their skin.
we'll keep working on attaining your dream.
About 15 years ago, I watched a King biography or a beat for beat analysis of his murder. It pointed out that the night before he had been carousing with a white woman.
How come Barbara Wawa never asked Coretta how did it feel when Saint Negro was out ther shtupping a good looking, white, Southern gal? Did you feel like shooting him?
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As I understand it, he was never officially registered with either political party, but generally leaned republican till later in life when he came out against Vietnam. By then the democrats were completely anti-war, do what ever it takes to end it, no matter what, and then King started leaning democrat.
A truly great American. Some one who demanded Americans live up to the ideals of America.
I can't convince you because I agree that he doesn't deserve one. How about a Holiday for Ben Franklin, or James Madison, or better yet Thomas Jefferson…oops he owned slaves, oh well maybe you'll get my drift. MLK was a great inspirational leader and man of the cloth, however he doesn't equate in my mind with the men previously mentioned, in terms of contributions to our country.
"Abraham Lincoln freed the black man. In many ways, Dr. King freed the white man. How did he accomplish this tremendous feat? Where others — white and black — preached hatred, he taught the principles of love and nonviolence. We can be so thankful that Dr. King raised his mighty eloquence for love and hope rather than for hostility and bitterness. He took the tension he found in our nation, a tension of injustice, and channeled it for the good of America and all her people."
Ronald Reagan's address on the anniversary of the birth of Martin Luther King (1983-01-15)
Happy Birthday Dr. King. We sure could use your wisdom right now.
If I could go back in time and shoot 3 people: James Earl Ray, Lee Harvey Oswald, and John Wilks Booth.
We were nowhere near a civil war. The commies were trying to generate one, but the comfort and confidence in America was much too high. The economy was more than sufficient and violent Negros had absolutely no way of supplying themselve with guns, grenades, land mines.
Even serious liberals would have taken up arms against such militancy. Remember how many communities reacted to forced bussing (especially Ted Kennedy’s Boston)? Many of those folks would have loved to have been given the excuse to solve their problems with guns. And everybody, except for Bill Ayers, who had been trained in Cuba by Castro's Vinceramos Brigade understood that.
The Negros would have been swatted like flies. They realized that they could burn down their own neighborhoods, giving the appearance that they were the badass nightmare who could overthrow America, but they knew inside that carting off free TVs during those riots was about as close as they were going to get.
I've heard her talk a couple of times on the radio, and she's very clear-minded on the issues and very civilized in her statements. An excellent inheritor of the King legacy.
You said it. While there might be some who treat King as a perfect, godlike figure, and I don't think that's something we should be practicing with anyone, there should be no argument that he was one of the truly great men of the 20th century, flaws and all.
If you want to go with that line of thinking, why do we get Christmas and New Years off?
I can recall the time when Dr. King left a march in disgust because militant factions managed to turn it into violent civil disobedience. He seemed at that point to be losing control of the civil rights movement. Would he have been able to avert the mess we have today? I don't know. Perhaps God allowed him to be taken by an assassin's bullet because his mission had been fulfilled. If only we can keep his vision in our hearts during these terrible times….
theres a movie in this.
Dezel washington is working at a secret government facility, remember that flick with the guy who blows up the ferry, a sequel of sorts – instead of being a cop now he goes to work solving crimes with the help of the machine – someone stars fouling with his solutions to the crimes so that he can't, even with the help of the machine fix, he finds out that there is another more powerful time machine – finds it discovers its capabilities and uses it to go back in time to shoot James Earl Ray, John wilkes booth, and lee harvey oswald. maybe leave out oswald because he only has two "jumps" otherwise he is going to die or has to live in that time period – maybe on the third he decides his last fix and he leaves the audience guessing?
I stand by what I posted. I think the men I mentioned above deserve to be recognized with a holiday, no disrespect intended to MLK. Don't know what that has to do with Christmas or New Years.
What you say has merit in regards to the other gentlemen. They should be honored.
As far as MLK – I remain unconvinced.
A courageous and inspirational man for many generations to come, Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
What? You're skipping Hitler and Michael Jackson???
On Roger Ebert's website (http://www.rogerebert.com), he has written an open letter to Rush Limbaugh, in which he believes Limbaugh should be "horse-whipped" for insulting the office of the President by suggesting that Obama is keeping some of the Haiti relief money for himself.
Never mind the fact that Limbaugh never said anything of the sort. After eight years of bashing President Bush (and even going so far as to insult his daughters), NOW Ebert is worried about insulting the office of the President? Too little, too freaking late, Roger.
I do admit to playing devil's advocate here. Friday afternoon, I must be in a tweaking kind of mood. But I assure you, I'm not trolling.
You said you agreed with other prominent figures from American history. Christmas and New Years have nothing to do with American history. Christmas being a religious holiday makes even less sense.
As for my own opinion, I supported an MLK day since back in the 1970's when I was in high school.
To me he represents one (of many) high water marks from the twentieth century, a time when he challenged Americans to live up to the ideals we all profess to believe in as Americans, All Men Created Equal.
After World War II, where Americans shed blood and tears freeing much of the world from tyranny, only to come home to Jim Crow, and telling veterans 'you're good enough to die in Europe for America, but you're not good enough to sit at the counter with whites.' just blows my mind.
Perhaps one of the most startling things I remember learning was the story of Marian Anderson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Anderson
On her way to sing a concert at the DAR Hall in DC, her train had a stop over, in Alabama, I think. Because she was black, she was allowed to eat, but not in the restaurant, she had to eat out on the platform. Looking through the window, she saw German POWs allowed to eat inside, but not her, an American.
I'm sorry but that thought is to f*cked up. For me, MLK symbolizes the American spirit that said this is just plain wrong and it has to stop.
I like to think MLK was one of the first figures in American history who planted the concepts of true freedom and equality in my brain.
Would that all politicians had a vision such as his. The work he did, against such a brutally odds, was truly remarkable. He was a truly great man.
Happy birthday!
Thank you for everything. I will never forget what you have done.
There has been no single issue that we've wrestled with more in our history than the issue of race. It has infiltrated virtually every aspect of the American life, and was the primary cause of our civil war. Even after the proclamations and amendments were in the books in the 1860's, race relations once again plummeted into the great moral abyss for another 100 years. From the earliest slave ships to Rodney King, this issue, for good or ill, has served to be one of the most divisive issues among our population. That we would have a nationally recognized day to honor this struggle… to celebrate our triumphs over it, and recognize how far we still have to go, doesn't seem outlandish at all; it seems absolutely appropriate. That we would choose Dr. King as the conduit for this issue, and as the figure upon who to remember and recognize this struggle, stems from the following reasons. No other figure spoke in such a publicly compelling way about the issue of race relations than Dr. King did. He was an African-American figure who in many cases, was the first to present this issue in a compelling way to whites who were previously uninterested in, or in disagreement with racial equality. He changed the public opinion in a ways that citizens before him had not been able to do for centuries. His public presence throughout the struggle signified his personal commitment to this issue; he didn't do his work from behind a desk… he was on the front lines. That he unfearingly faced hatred, violence, and death-threats with non-violent, peaceful elegance, was also a testament to his character. Finally, that he gave his life (something he predicted would happen) in the search for racial justice, pretty much seals the deal for recognizing his historical importance in affiliation with this, the most compelling issue in our history.
A man with a dream…a dream to have a street named after him in every ghetto, and a paid day off for federal workers in his honor.
No one can convince you of anything, only you can do that. It's just the way we are. If you really want to be convinced, use the internet and google Dr. King. Read about the history of the time. It was a time when America was not far from another Civil war. I can't convince you and I wouldn't try. It's like curiosity, you either have it and go in search of answers or you don't. Just my opinion.
And the gay marriage movement. *sigh* It's NOT the same kind of issue, people.
I, too, have a theory about streets named "Martin Luther King Blvd" but you and I both know that that and a paid holiday have nothing to do with what he stood for and worked so hard to achieve.
I'd like to whack Hitler too. I was thinking in terms of how best to help black people in the us throughout US history. Had King lived the black panther(farakahn) never would have become more than a fringe movement, Kings death made them a politically legitimate expression of legitimate rage they and many Americans felt at Kings murder. Had Kennedy lived the Democrat party never would have gone so radical so fast and Vietnam never would have happened. Kennedy was very against moving more troops into vietnam – he thought that getting the South Vietnamese to fight their war was better than us fighting it for them.
Our political organization was born within the Christian experience. This country's birth wasn't cocooned in Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, or Spiritualism. Today's shifting demographics don't mean that it makes any sense to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Secondly, if almost everyone in a nation wants to collectively create an experience for religious or any other reasons, it is not written anywhere that that holiday has to have anything to do with national history.
on the third jump he saves his grandfather, a former tuskeegee airman, from the nazi that shot him down. And lives his life serving patriotically in the airforce the rest of his life. Hey, are those oscars gold:)
No, I disagree. We are far from being a color blind society re blacks and whites. Blacks get some of the worst media PR possible based upon the crimes they commit, the charlatans of their race and much of their vile music. Until that ceases, change will be very gradual.
Roger Ebert has become a joke.
Who cares about any 'open letter' he might write on any subject?
What vanity! He reviews fucking movies, for gawd's sake.
His reputation has been very inflated over the last few decades by the politically correct press. In reality, his legacy has perhaps done more damage to the States than good. Rights have been increasingly taken away from one group of citizens and given to another.
For nothing else than he proved that you don't need violence to transform a country. He certainly was the original "American community organizer" and I say that with the utmost respect.
He confused the unessential with the essential sometimes, and so was wrong about Vietnam but right about his faith (I say that as a Theravadan Buddhist, BTW**), which showed him the the need to love your enemies, even if you do not like them, as well as how to do it: For just a little while there, it became clear to a surprising number of people that it is done by unclenching our fists, each and every one of us, one by one.
The fruits of this still live on in the South. He wasn't destined to make as much progress elsewhere, I guess.
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**We put it this way, as the first six verses of the /Dhammapada/:
Mind precedes its objects. They are mind-governed and mind-made. To speak or act with a defiled mind is to draw pain after oneself, like a wheel behind the feet of the animal drawing it. 1
Mind precedes its objects. They are mind-governed and mind-made. To speak or act with a peaceful mind, is to draw happiness after oneself, like an inseparable shadow. 2
I have been insulted! I have been hurt! I have been beaten! I have been robbed! Anger does not cease in those who harbour this sort of thought. 3
I have been insulted! I have been hurt! I have been beaten! I have been robbed! Anger ceases in those who do not harbour this sort of thought. 4
Occasions of hatred are certainly never settled by hatred. They are settled by freedom from hatred. This is the eternal law. 5
Others may not understand that we must practice self-control, but quarrelling dies away in those who understand this fact. 6
MLK is a convenient symbol for the struggle for equal rights for all Americans. But, since MLK had such a flawed character and was only one of many courageous participants in the struggle for equal rights, I would have preferred the holiday to be named "Civil Rights Day".
How do you spell plagurist? MLK. How do you spell every crime ridden crack ho street in every major american city? MLK. How do you spell scum bag jerk racist? MLK. Do some research why are the FBI files not released? Something to hide maybe?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating against Christmas, it's my favorite holiday.
I was just trying to start a debate. What should qualify as a National Holiday?
I thought it an interesting question. July 4th, obviously, though the holiday should be the 3rd, because that's the day the continental congress voted to sign it. The 4th was just a formality.
Easter's on a Sunday, so that's within the scope. I can also see Labor, Memorial and Veteran's Day. Same with President's Day.
I haven't met very many people in this world who don't have flawed characters, myself included.
I think calling Civil Rights Day is a very reasonable position. But human nature tends to want to focus on specifics. For example, how many Revolutionary war generals can you name? I can do three, and that's counting Benedict Arnold. (The other is Nathan Green.) And I've read several books on that time period.
So it's not surprising one figure was picked.
Yeah, but that is a really good bitter comment!
No problem. I didn 't get you wrong. I was just answering you. I don't think that there are ultimately necessarily any paramaters that anyone can lay down and claim that because of this logical reason or that logical reason that present or future generations should or should not observe a national holiday.
This situation is kind of like art in general. As an artist you can break any rule that anyone makes up, if you can figure out how to.
My complaint is the MLK day was created by Congress. I would love to put it up to a vote.
If I had a choice, I'd vote for a holiday commemorating the 600,000 white men who lost their lives in a war that eliminated slavery. No other race, religion nor ethinc group has ever or since paid such a high a price for another.
I am really not trying to be a smart ass, but most of the blacks in this country haven't got your above memo.
White kids who have to attend as well as walk back and forth between home and schools that are predominantly black usally get the crap kicked out of them.
In those inner cities, drugs, rape, kids with no fathers and murder are their business as usual.
That's just the beginning of the list. Blacks should have been forced to solve those problems before segretation was ended. This situation is ass backwards.
If I had a vote on it, I'd vote yes. The Civil Rights era in American history was significant enough in my opinion in order to have some sort of special designation.
I believe the reason the process for amending the constitution are in the constitution because many Americans (though not a majority) did not want slavery in 1776. But it was the only way to bring the south on board for the revolution. So they made sure there was a way to rectify it at a later date. Although, as we all know, it ended up as war.
To me, the Civil Rights era signifies America finally coming to terms with it's ideals, all people are created equal and they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
And in a nation of Jim Crow laws, those sentiments were meaningless. America is more important than the color of ones skin, or one's gender, or anything else.
Dude,
Racism is alive and well. What exactly do you mean by "their vile music"?
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