THR: Oliver Stone’s ‘Secret History’ to put Hitler ‘in context’
by Big HollywoodSome highlights form today’s must read article on Oliver Stone’s new Showtime project from the Hollywood Reporter’s Live Feed:
Director Oliver Stone’s upcoming Showtime documentary miniseries “Secret History of America” promises to put mass murderers such as Stalin and Hitler “in context.”
“Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy — these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history,” Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association’s semi-annual press tour in Pasadena.
“Stalin has a complete other story,” Stone said. “Not to paint him as a hero, but to tell a more factual representation. He fought the German war machine more than any single person. We can’t judge people as only ‘bad’ or ‘good.’ Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and its been used cheaply. He’s the product of a series of actions. It’s cause and effect … People in America don’t know the connection between WWI and WWII … I’ve been able to walk in Stalin’s shoes and Hitler’s shoes to understand their point of view. We’re going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions … Go into the funding of the Nazi party. How many American corporations were involved, from GM through IBM. Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated.”
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“You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate,” Stone said during the show’s trailer, which promised to put historical villains “in context.”
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Stone also warned that the same military industrial complex forces that he’s explored in movies such as “JFK” and in “Secret History,” are now corrupting Barack Obama.
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“My father was a voracious New York Times reader,” he said. “We consider that in The Middle. Sarah Palin would disagree.”
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“You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate,” Stone said during the show’s trailer, which promised to put historical villains “in context.” —
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Except Republicans.
I guess he means the same Stalin who signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact which allowed Hitler to focus all his attention on conquering Western Europe, invaded Poland along with Hitler, dividing it between the two, and provided the Nazi regime with much of its raw industrial material until Hitler just couldn't resist the itch to invade.
Stalin was a monster, who found his neck suddenly on the Wehrmacht chopping block. His abuse of the Red Army left in shambles to defeat the invading Germans, and its mainly through our massive industrial support (at one point, close to 95% of Russian military trucks and jeeps, the vehicles which moved World War II mechanized infantry divisions across battlefields, were made in the USA) that Stalin survived at all.
“Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy — these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history,” Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association’s semi-annual press tour in Pasadena.
I assume he's reffering to Sen. Joe McCarthy, the communist hunter.
I love that. Lumping McCarthy in with the mass murderers. McCarthy was no angel, but I never saw the word genocide on his resume.
Why do i get the feeling that in Olliver's world the USA will somehow be responsible for Stalin's need to kill everyone he ever knew?
Here we go again, the illegitimate son of Joe Gobbels is going to give us his gospel on who created Hitler. I am willing to bet it is GWB grandfather, Joe Kennedy and every American corporation and it will be Stone the truth teller who will set the record straight. so our little minds of mush can grow up thinking that American corporations are dripping in human blood and that all corporations are evil. The fact that a major conglomerate is going to fund this sumbitch's Hitler film, but that is OK because Oliver Riefenstahl Stone is going to make multi millions and a piece of the gross to direct this this lump of sh*t.
Why do we all continue to go to the theater to watch these leftist wet dreams of history. There are more conservatives then these lying malcontents with there constant propaganda of twisting the fact to prove their argument. What pisses me off that these mad dog sumbitichs don't that the balls to allow other filmmakers to make a film to counter their argument.
Give me the damn funding and I'll make a slew of films that will expose a 150 years of this racist, crooked, commies, mafia infested Democratic party and what THEY have done to this country and the world because of their self-righteousness. How many of you out there that visit this site are fed up with Oliver Stone pissing on each of us and our country. Americans never said we were perfect and sure is hell the entire history of the democrats, liberal and people like Stone are so far from being perfect they don't have a leg to stand that gives them the right to make films to piss on America. I'd match our history of another country and time any era, none of them could shine our shoes. We sure as hell don't need this malcontent Stone to teach our kids his leftist version of the world.
Come on Hollywood give us conservative filmmakers access to the same funding you give these goose stepping left wing propagandist! If you are so right what are you afraid of? Let us have a shot at the title too. I'd love to shove my version of history up all your asses.
Why should this old fart Oliver stone have all the fun.
It's not that Stone isn't a good movie maker. It just seems playing fast and loose with historical facts is s.o.p. My take on Ollie is he takes himself a whole lot more seriously than he should.
I wonder if he'll give any credit for Hitler's rise to the progressives, who until Hitler started carving up Czechoslovakia and absorbing Austria, were happy to laud his socialist programs as a model for other nations.
Does Hollywood merely exist to constantly shock and disgust the flyover states?
Oliver Stoned is a f—— idiot!!
“You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate”
There's no empathy for Naziism or Communism from me. They were both socialism run amok. People DIED because of these ideologies. The fact he hints at America was somehow at fault negates the fact that German political philosophers going back to the late 19th century despised individualism and free markets. They loathed Britian's merchantile approach. It's no coincidence that Communism sprang from such a thinker.
In the end, these ideologies blamed others for national troubles, be it because of their ethnicity, religion or financial standing. They never stood for personal accountability. If Mr. Stone was intellectually honest, he would realize this.
Another thing to remember is that this isn't Stone's first foray into dictator apologism. He made a whole movie dedicated to whitewashing the legacy of Alexander the Great, one of history's earliest mass murdering dictators. If you go by the history as presented in that movie, Alexander never butchered or enslaved the populations of Tyre and Gaza, displaced or killed millions of Persians and Afghans or murdered many of his finest officers on false charges of treason.
He also says nothing of Alexander or his father Philip destroying Greek democracy and freedom. Instead, he's presented as a mother-cursed visionary with a plan to make everyone come together in his utopian empire centered on Babylon.
Good God, I hate Moral Relativism.
(It ain't taking his name in vain if your serious.)
Totally agree. Love the 'illegitimate son of Joe Gobbels'… clever.
"People in America don't know the connection between WW1 and WW2."
This self-important fool doesn't have a clue as to what American's know. Perhaps if he had read some books, he wouldn't find his enlightened connection so surprising. Yeah, no one has explored the how and why of Hitler, Stalin, etc., before.
The idiocy of Stone knows no bounds.
The only thing that has to be put into context is Stone himself, A spoiled drug addled ingrate. That embraces, understands and sympathies with every enemy of America in the present and now in the past.This Bum needs to look into the eyes of Al-Qaeda up close and personal like. So he'd know there really is Evil in the world. But you know what all he'd see is Uncle Sam staring back at him.
I have a book to recommend to Oliver Stone that might help him avoid making the huge historical mistakes he made in all his other movies. "Visions of Victory" by Gerhard L. Weinberg. The book takes each world leader's perspective and tires to expalin if they had won the war and had complete influece over everyone including their allies what that leader would like to have seen.
For Adolph Hitler killing all the jews was just a start, he had a plan to create an aerosol based drug that caused poermanent sterility which he first wanted to use on the Slavs because there were just too many of them to kill off in concentration camps. Hitler was crazy.
Stalin was just pure calculating evil. Before the British came into Poland at the end of the was Stalin killd off all the teachers, police and educated classes except for communist contemporaries. In this way it was easier to later claim Poland as it would be difficult for England to bring the country back.
People who worked closely with Stone said he was a huge crack head. He does every drug under the sun and is a raging leftist. Not to mention a conspiracy theorist.
And yet for his crack-head ways he finds work and funding, consistently. Tell me again Hollywood is even remotely concerned with profitability?
"Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy" – Which of these is not like the others? Which one didn't order the murder or millions and yet is considered by the left to be the most evil of them all?
It's so ironic that the intellectuals who talk about the virtues of socialism would be among the first ones to go.
So even if Stalin fought the German war machine, that somehow excuses his slaughter of 20 million Russians?
I've seen Stalin in the context of The Gulag Archipelago, and that's all I really care to know about that creep.
"I’ve been able to walk in Stalin’s shoes and Hitler’s shoes to understand their point of view"
Oh, all atrocities are now excused now that Mr. Oliver Stone has stepped in their shoes… wonderful.
Kids, this is what heavy drug abuse does to a person. I can NOT stand Oliver Stone or his crap movies. McCarthy didn't kill millions of people like Mao, Hitler and Stalin. Maybe if Stone would put down the crack pipe once in awhile and read real history instead of the crap he makes up he would know that. He's nothing but leftist scum.
Amen! I love it! Could not have said it better myself. I get so tied of these pseudo historian film makers. If he put it in a book it could only be classified as fiction. I also get tired of America being the blame for all the worlds problems. Here is a novel idea, lets talk about all the good America has done and continues to do.
All I can say is this & Oliver Stone are absolutely disgusting. I fear for our great country's future if this does get into the school system.
You apparently missed "W," which treated essentially everyone but Cheney with infinitely more kindness than they've been treated even by Republicans lately…
Stone's personal politics and human failings aside, he's 100% RIGHT that most people know an extremely limited degree of "history," most of it informed by popular culture than by facts. How many Americans, do you suppose, are even aware of who Joseph Stalin was at this point? The Hitler/Stalin pact? The effect of post-WWI treaties on the rise of nazism in Germany? The various forces pulling to keep the U.S. in/out of WWII prior to Pearl Harbor?
There is no such thing as bad knowledge, and however or not Stone wishes to "skew" his take if this project puts any facts into any minds that weren't there before it's a net good, IMO.
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Taking the logic of radical leftists to their ultimate conclusions will leave any thinking person with a splitting headache.
I just Googled the professor, Peter Kuznick, that is cited as the writer of Stone's new miniseries. Here is his Rate My Professors page: http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?t...
A few choice comments:
"Fun class. Kind of a joke. A very revisionist history course but if you keep an open mind it's pretty fun. It's cool how he ties pop culture to history. The books are not necessary but good reads if you're interested. You can get an A and put no work into it if you want. Half of his speakers cancel."
"Peter Kuznick teaches a polemic, not history. He then expects you to exclude anything resembling a polemic from your papers. His lectures are not structured and make no sense the way they are laid out…."
"Terrible class! I was expecting this class to be amazing but it quickly turned into one giant conspiracy! Interesting that he thinks because he is a professor he can just create historical facts without providing any reliable sources! He is so wrapped up in himself he is blinded by his own ego! I left this class not believing anything he said."
(That last one sounds just like Oliver Stone.)
One final observation: There are 40 ratings on his page, but his "hotness" total is: 0.
Let's stop letting them leverage from outrage.
It only shows what kind of madness he likes to perpetuate. He could have chosen to emulate someone with goodness in their heart, or at least a sense that humanity has a right to be. But no, this is the fashion to damn the very soul of man, by emulating the ones who do. It's a shamefull existance, and unfortunately, most in hollywood would find no wrong in it. & this, is precisely why these people will never know true beauty or power. Only true Liberty begets true Liberty. & nature can not be denied.
Yes, I agree, that's a great book.
He should also be made to read "PARIS 1919" as well as "DREADNOUGHT", "THE DAR VALLEY; A PANORAMA OF THE 1930s" and "THUNDER AT TWILIGHT" !
Apparently you and I know far more about WWI and WWII and what led to each, than he does.
It's hysterical that lefties believe that those of us on the right don't read. I bet that far many more of us read ( and not junk, either ) than lefties do.
"Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated.”
One of the great books is Joachim Fest's biography of Hitler. It is long and scholarly, and the facts are not marshaled to fit a theme or theory. However, one thing you cannot doubt after reading it is that Hitler was a great amateur politician in an age of shoddy professionals. His advance was obviously favoured by certain developments in the wider world, but he was not the puppet of industry and Big Business. Forget nuance, layers of meaning etc: he was truly in charge of the Reich.
The first commenter has already made the important point that he was Stalin's collaborator till '41. It should also be noted that, though both poles of National Socialism were anti-Marxist, Hitler's great disagreement with Rohm lay in his preference for state control as opposed to state ownership of industry. His government did control industry, and Hitler was the dark force behind Big Business. That's called Socialism, Oliver.
If Stalin's economic policies went farther than Hitler's in a collectivist direction, Hitler was more of a middle-class bien pensant leftist in his nature-worship, vegetarianism and fondness for dreary butch architecture.
Both were socialists with great political skills, both had an unlikely personal charm, both were monsters, and neither one of them could successfully run a chook-raffle if the tickets were free.
And that, Oliver, is why millions suffered and perished during their regimes. Please, don't treat us to another conspiracy-fest where a smirking Donald Sutherland and his capitalist buddies are "behind it all". Some things in this life just stink because they stink. "Alexander", for example.
HORSEFEATHERS !
There is too such a thing as "bad" knowledge; that would be lies and 1/2 truths.
As to how many Americans know about Hitler and Stalin today? Almost everyone over the age of 60 does and not just from "pop culture". Some younger people know the facts, too, but those who don't and see Stone's movie, won't know the truth about any of the people he is going to lie about !
My concern is what he'll do to McCarthy, though.
OUCH !
Does not surprise me in the least…
Only a matter of time before they would move from defending Communists to Nazi's, considering they are after all, the same thing in the end.
I would say it is better that most Americans equate Stalin and Hitler to pure evil when they hear their names, and not know about them, than Americans trying to convince themselves that they wernt so bad after all. To my knowledge, when one gets the true reality of these men's lives,unfiltered by idiots like Stone, it only becomes worse and worse, and the nature of Hitler and Stalin together serves to highlight the fact that both Marxism-Leninism and National Socialism are of the same demented progressive secularist tree.
One has to wonder what Stone means by "Walking in their shoes"…
Does he run a Gulag in Beverly Hills?
God probably hates it even more than you do…
"I was so excited about this class, and so disappointed. As a liberal myself, I truly think he is an awful person. His views are not consistent, he is unjustifiably nasty and arrogant. Rude to students who ask questions, yet penalized everyone for not participating. Not eccentric in a "cool" professor way but rather neurotic, angry & imbalanced."
BAM!
"as a mother-cursed visionary with a plan to make everyone come together in his Utopian empire centered on Babylon. "
Hell he probably was that in real life. The thing we know and Stone doesn't is that visionary utopianist usually goes hand in hand with mass murderer.
Just one more reason not to bother with Showtime.
So he despised Bush, but we have to understand Hitler and Stalin. And this doesn't display a tainted view.
This guy is just another Hollywood loony toon(no disrespect intended to the true classics, at least we know they are joking).
Sorry, MovieBob, but sometimes skewed knowledge can be worse than none at all. The problem with "revisionist" history nowadays is that most people don't know the basic history being revised. For example, Oliver Stone may argue that he is merely trying to put Hitler in "context" by giving his "side" of the record a fuller hearing. Unfortunately, as you point out, many people don't know many facts on the anti-Hitler side of the ledger. So if all they see is Stone's defense, then they will conclude Hitler indeed wasn't such a bad bloke after all. It's like revealing only one side of a mathematical equation. An observer will get the wrong answer. And in this case, the side Stone will emphasize is by far the less weighty one, greatly skewing the results.
Our educational system has been passing along "bad knowledge" for 40 years now, which is why folks like Oliver Stone get away with the tripe and bullshit they claim as truth. Many don't know enough history to dismiss his crap as the BOVINE EXCREMENT it is. In our major universities, college students haven't been required to take a single World/American/Western history course as a core requirement for almost 10 years. No damn wonder Oliver can make money with his garbage. It used to be men like him were driven out of town on a rail, or shamed in the town square.
"Hitler was pure evil" is one of the few things NOBODY needs to be told, and that's part of the problem and some of what Stone is – hopefully – getting at. "He was evil" reduces Hitler and his poisonous influence to a kind of devil or boogeyman, a kind of fairytale as opposed to something that ACTUALLY happened and could happen again.
Understanding the Hitler/Nazism didn't happen in a vaccum, that it took a terrible confluence of historical events and influences to bring it about, is VITAL to recognizing the signs early so that it doesn't happen again.
(and now, I begin counting…)
Stone the Liar. Stone the drug addled leftists, with his anti-American drivel, now rewriting history. Just hook up the dope and overdose already. Go to your seedy hotel and get it over with. What misanthrope, pays this turd to spew his shit filled hate? Hollywood is a gutter full of the dregs of America selling lies by the bushel. No other community would allow these rotten assholes the times of day.
Even if that were true (it isn't), and even if that were justifiable (it isn't), precisely HOW would it justify this?
“My father was a voracious New York Times reader,”
therein lies the problem.
Um, sorry, but I think you have one main issue.
"Pure Evil" does NOT equal "Evil." Hitler was the latter. I would HOPE that that much is clear. And if it somewhat turns him into an inhuman bogeyman, well, that is an unfortunate side effect that must be remedied by education. But to state that he wasn't is blatantly foolish and insulting.
And while I recognize the need to study history and how these regimes come about, there is a fine line between narrating and excusing. Hitler lived more or less every day of the latter years of his life viewing himself fighting a desperate battle for the safety of mankind from the Judeo-Bolshevik menace. That much should be pointed out, and is sadly overlooked by many. But at some point, one must realize when one has gone to far, and their viewpoint, while sincere, is bluntly insane.
Oh yes, and I wonder if he is going to mention Bismarck AT ALL for the role he had in the road to the Third Reich?
Very well said Mr Marino. I've never seen any one of this godless hacks movies. And I have no intention of watching his take on commie crusades either.
I heard the movie after this one is putting the Son of Sam and Dan "Twinkie Defense" White into context.
Which is probably why this miniseries is on second rate movie channel Showtime. History Channel or HBO probably didn't want to go near it. Showtime will use the controversy to boost ratings.
"Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated.”
Easily huh? Maybe from your self-rightous perch.
Many attempts were made at taking Hitler's life.
These people just do not get it…
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." – Abraham Lincoln
Exactly. Hollywood started somewhere. A few mavericks put up the cash and started the studios. We need a few mavericks to set up a "counter Hollywood." Locate it somewhere in the middle of the country. Oh boy that could be fun!
Where are you Mavericks with money? Ante up.
My take on that comment is that Stone bought Hitler's argument that the Treaty of Versailles was the reason, rather than excuse, for Hitler to invade European countries. Concomitant guilt, such as evidenced by Clement Atlee, allowed Hitler the freedom to do just that. In many ways the similarity is to today's leftist ideas regarding al-Quaeda recruitment due in equal parts to poverty in the Middle East and Gitmo. Stone has shown time after time that not only does he possess no understanding of history, he doesn't want to understand.
I wouldn't find it surprising for Stone to find the good in Hitler. Hitler was after all a socialist. It's not like der Fuhrer was a capitalist or industrialist or entrepreneur or anything creepy like that. <s>
'How many of you out there that visit this site are fed up with Oliver Stone pissing on each of us and our country"
Not all that many, Jack. We see "Oliver Stone" in the credits and enough of us pass on the film that he has to make his money overseas with America's enemies.
So far as your getting funding, I suspect a well-directed, well-written (at most two writers, no script doctors) movie starring good actors who are smart enough to keep their political ideology to themselves (Butler, Jackman are two whose politics I don't know) would earn huge box office. Perhaps you're asking for funding in the wrong places. Try looking for money in Texas, FL, Utah where those who aren't Leftists tend to congregate.
Did anyone actually watch "Alexander the Great". I took one look at the poster showing Colin Farrell's hair and broke out laughing. No way could I have sat through that movie without cracking a rib.
I'd amend your statement to say Americans educated in "government schools" in the past thirty years are pretty lacking in historical knowledge. What they do know about, however, is self-esteem, how to put a condom on a banana (even there, gross anatomical stupidity as a cucumber would make more sense), and the have black history down to the roots, pun intended. But we can't entirely smear government schools because a few years back I saw an article in the WSJ which lamented the historical knowledge of seniors at one of the ivies (can't remember which one). Stone isn't out to make movies, he's out to reconstruct and rewrite history. If Orwell were alive, he'd give him a job in "1984".
Let me see if I've got this straight: Hitler wasn't really such a bad guy. And Stalin wasn't really such a bad guy because he fought against Hitler. But if Hitler wasn't a bad guy, then why does fighting Hitler serve as an excuse for Stalin's monstrous crimes? However, if fighting Hitler is exonerating, then shouldn't America be excused for its monstrous (in Stone's eyes) crimes because, after all, America also fought Hitler?
It's so nutty, it would make my head spin — that is, if I took Stone's line of "reasoning" remotely seriously. Oliver Stone, master of the theatre of the absurd.
I don't understand. Every time one of these liberals makes a movie it seems like our perceptions are backwards.
You have to look at the situation from the mass murderers prospective to see why it is correct? I don't give a flying leap why someone chose to kill 6 million jews – they chose to kill 6 million jews.
Next we will have Oliver Stone doing a movie that explains and justifies why some stupid a**hole should be flying airplanes into buildings because Barry O hasn't let all of the "man caused disasters" buddies out of Club Gitmo.
Spoiled brats like Stone who live in freedom have nothing to lose by disrespecting and criticizing their country.
I'd cut him some slack if he went to Israel to make a film about the good side of his friend Adolf or traveled to Waziristan or Saudie to make a movie about women's role in Islamic society. It's easy to make an anti-American film in America. Try making an anti-Putin film in Russia or an anti-Muslim film in Pakistan.
"Idiocracy" another nail in the dumbing down of "yoots"……Go Oliver…American schools have already set this kind of film up for you….
Where is the little dictator book for dummies…I want to see the bodies and the devastation of these countries, I want numbers….In a picture book for the "yoots"….
C'mon Jack – don't hold back. Stop pulling your punches.
I thought the same thing.
Welcoming a "documentary" by Oliver Stone because it might contain a few actual facts is sort of like mixing a pint of vanilla ice cream with a pint of horse manure and expecting good results. Would you endorse Pat Buchanan's view of a "reasonable" pre-war Hitler on the same grounds?
Fortunately I've managed to locate an advance clip of Stone's film, so we can all judge for ourselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKHJ64qRR8
I'd like to see Stone's bare arms to learn in which one he's injecting.
"Alternative view" of Stalin? There's bound to be one, but I'm at a loss to conceive of how it can possibly paint the beast in any kind of sympathetic colors.
Ask a Pole about Stalin's "good side." If they don't smack you in the teeth first, you'll get an earful that will make your head spin.
I'd like to see how Stone spins Stalin's agreement to the Von Ribbentrop pact that essentially and cynically parceled up Poland. Here's a link to famous political cartoon that captures the essence of the two madmen Stone plans to "human up:" http://kamerondkiggins.blogspot.com/2009/09/ill-m...
Yeah, Stalin and Hitler were just a couple of swells, not counting the millions of non-military dead they slaughtered.
Here's one of those crazy guys talking about one of the other crazy guys. You may find these comments, as Stone finds the New York Times, in the "middle":
“After the outbreak of hostilities, Germany addressed France and England with peace proposals while the Soviet Union openly supported Germany’s peace proposals because it believed and continues to believe that the earliest termination of the war would fundamentally alleviate the position of all countries and nations.” (Joseph Stalin, Pravda via Time, December 1939)
You know how it is–"Stalin really wanted to help poor people." It's the same excuse which is used for Mao, Chavez, Castro, etc. Every left-wing dictator (is there any other kind?) gets a pass because they really just want to make life better for the little guy.
Thinking about this, it seems like all the other dictators might be in there to provide cover for his Stalin apologism? That its all really about saying Stalin wasn't such a bad guy because he was a good leftist?
Stones man love for Chavez pretty much tells you where his head is at politically. His fawning over Stalin & Hitler is completely sickening. A useful idiot is to good a title for this schlep. What a repulsive old hippie/socialist with no redeeming qualities. He is the 21st Centuries Leni Riefenstahl.
You're confusing McCarthy with MacArthur there. Big difference.
“You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate,” Stone said
Well, let us hope he brings some empathy for America, which he clearly loathes. As his premise seems to be blaming American companies for Hitler's rise, I doubt that will be the case.
I agree. I figured something like this would happen sooner or later.
It's simply the logical conclusion of their anti-Americanism.
I can almost imagine it now, "Hitler wasn't really bad, he was just misunderstood". Give me a break.
I was thining the same thing here.
That sentence is such an important insight into what Liberals believe and teach.
Joe McCarthy is on the par with Hitler, and Che Guevara posters were on Barack Obama's campaign headquarter's walls? What a sick bunch of people we are fighting against to retain our freedoms.
You know they are truly perverse once they try to clean up hitlers image. Once upon a time Nazis and fascists were the supposed arch enemies of Liberals everywhere.
Echo this.
Stone's fetish for sensationalism undermines his platform. Using Hitler to sell a film is about as original as using scratch to coax a chicken. Has anyone ever questioned his manhood?
He's probably right about that. I am a cynic by nature and will openly say right here that I believe, that at least, when it comes to History, most Americans are pretty damn lacking in the knowledge department. This is not to say that we are any worse than any other place in the world. I prefer to think that most humans everywhere are pretty silly and introverted with a few noble exceptions.
I take it Oliver Stone isn't Jewish?
As a politically conservative Historian this kind of news makes me very sad, because this "revisionist" history is becoming more and more accepted as facts. Hitler and the Nazis were an amateur at killing segments of its population and foreigners. That award go to the Communist, but then again, the Nazis were a socialist/progressive bunch also. So, a good analogy would be; the progressive/socialists use cocaine, but Communist use crack. Both are cocaine addicts, just different ways of getting to the "high". A great book to get a lot of facts on the horrors of communism, I would recommend the book, "The Black Book of Communism: Crimes Terror Repression".
Somehow I am sure that in presenting Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Stone's mancrush, Fidel in a gentle light, forced to kill people for political and ideological needs, will be contrasted with that need coming from the big bad USA. But I will withhold judgement till I see what Stone produces, then I will try to dissect its truthfulness and accuracy. I am sure it will be laughable fun.
Is Stone insane? His insanity has finally overtaking him.
I did see it though I didn´t pay for it. Yes, it is pretty funny, but none of it is intentional. If the real Alexander had behaved that way, his men would not have followed him to the next thunderbox, never mind to the end of the world.
My favorite part of the article was "Hitler was just a man who could easily have been assassinated." So essentially, the Holocaust was all Col. Von Stauffenberg's fault for his failed attempt to kill ol' uncle Adolph. pffffft what a maroon.
Stone is a self important wind bag …And that scarf he's wearing in the article pic …. is NOT attractive. lol
Spoken like a true propagandist. Congrats, Movie Bob, you've just explained in simple terms just how useful idiots are created.
Stone´s own statements prove that he hasn´t learned anything in the last 20 years. None of the theses mentioned here are remotely new; they have been refuted by serious historians. If he didn´t lash out at uneducated rightwingers, it would be all too easy to see that the little emperor has no clothes. I will concede that Stone´s stories are not ignorant. They are malicious.
I though assassinations were bad & Americans shouldn't dirty our hands doing such things. At least that's what the libs told us during the Bush years.
And Americans in general.
It's interesting how the left-liberals in H-wood seem to be on the rampage since Obama was elected. The Howard Zinn show, this nonsense from Stone, overt political commentary in stupid little TV shows. It's like the "progressives" feel that this is their "moment" and the whole country is waiting breathlessly to hear them and be led by them.
Unfortunately, I think they misread the election. Obama was elected because he's not George W. Bush, not because the entire country suddenly bought into the progressive agenda. The left-Democrat victory is slowly giving way to the realities of 21st century American politics. Their obsession with their pet project, socialized health care, seems incredibly self-indulgent considering all the other, more immediate problems the country faces today. But both parties are bogged down, not just the Democrats. 2010 and 2012 should be interesting…
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I personally don't think assassinations are bad….depends on who's gettin' assassinated.
I wish I could upding you more than once for that one!
He thought he was an artist, he was a vegetarian, he hated cigarettes – he'd fit right in with today's liberals.
The whole man-scarf fashion statement thing has got to go, period. Men wear scarves because it's cold outside, not to look good indoors.
lol….well whatever the reason, he most assuredly does NOT look good.
You can bet your a$$ against an oatmeal cookie that in Oliver Stone's little production Hitler will ultimately be revealed as the cretinous murderer and maniac we always knew he was, while Josef Stalin the Communist will come out smelling like a rose. He may have slaughtered an astounding number of people, but his status as a Communist is, to all real liberals, a powerful mitigating factor: "He killed millions? Oh, Communist, you say? Well, surely some revisionist history is in order!"
Anybody wish to take the bet?
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