‘Crash’ Director Dumps Scientology Over Prop. 8
by Big Hollywood
Internet hoaxes that look too good to be true usually are. Over the weekend, a leaked resignation letter written by director Paul Haggis spilling all kinds of dirt about the Church of Scientology hit the web and looked way too good to be true. But now that New York Magazine and the Hollywood Reporter have picked it up….
After 35 years as a member of the Church of Scientology, Paul Haggis is calling it quits. In a badass letter to Scientology’s national spokesman Tommy Davis (who hates Martin Bashir), the filmmaker lays out the reasons why.
It all started when a San Diego church publicly supported Prop 8. Haggis asked Davis to denounce its actions but Davis never went through with it. Then the already-pissed Haggis read an interview in which Davis denied Scientology’s practice of “disconnection” (forcing members to cut off communication with loved ones who oppose Scientology). But Haggis knew disconnection first-hand. His wife was forced to cut ties with her parents.
Choice snips from the Haggis letter:
As you know, for ten months now I have been writing to ask you to make a public statement denouncing the actions of the Church of Scientology of San Diego. Their public sponsorship of Proposition 8, a hate-filled legislation that succeeded in taking away the civil rights of gay and lesbian citizens of California – rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state – shames us. …
The fact that the Mormon Church drew all the fire, that no one noticed, doesn’t matter. I noticed. And I felt sick. I wondered how the church could, in good conscience, through the action of a few and then the inaction of its leadership, support a bill that strips a group of its civil rights.
This was my state of mind when I was online doing research and chanced upon an interview clip with you on CNN. The interview lasted maybe ten minutes – it was just you and the newscaster. And in it I saw you deny the church’s policy of disconnection. You said straight-out there was no such policy, that it did not exist.
I was shocked. We all know this policy exists. I didn’t have to search for verification – I didn’t have to look any further than my own home.
You might recall that my wife was ordered to disconnect from her parents because of something absolutely trivial they supposedly did twenty-five years ago when they resigned from the church. This is a lovely retired couple, never said a negative word about Scientology to me or anyone else I know – hardly raving maniacs or enemies of the church. In fact it was they who introduced my wife to Scientology.
You read the full letter here.
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"Social Stigma Outweighs Stupid Religion"
Film at 11:00, you HATERS!
What a lame reason. Haggis should have grown up a long time ago and dumped Scientology simply because it's a cult for flakes, followers and control freaks (On the Prop 8 thing, I see he still has the follower thing down. Wasn't that a year ago?). What is he going to get his wife's family back (hopefully, they'll just say, "thanks, but no thanks").
And what are all those Scientologist actors who populate his films going to do now (they do tend to hire one and other)?
I guess after the bad taste and nausea they are getting from partaking of the Church of Obama, Hollywood's elite may be loosing their appetite for all false religions.
I still can't believe Issac Hayes is a Scientologist. You can have Haggis and Cruise. But Chef? Your absence from South Park is rather unfortunate. And for what?
America really should address this "non-profit" status that 'organizations' (schemes) like Scientology, Acorn and the plethora of others use to circumvent tax liabilities and enrich a handful of scammers who "run" them.
And Haggis? WIth ALL of the allegations thrown at Scientology over the last several years – many alleged felonies – you only NOW are done with them because a few homophobes in San Diego are trying to hurt the feelings of a tiny minority. I don't disagree with Haggis but it reeks of Harvey's Compass.
Somebody call the Anonymous group – fresh ammo!
Possible Reply of Scientology:
Haggis, it's what for dinner.
(Sorry, I had to get that joke out somehow.)
Oh noes!!! A "church" had a moral compass…. we just can't have that, can we?
Him leaving his "faith" because of something he didn't agree with is like if I were to leave the Baptist denomination because of the idiots in Kansas that protests soldiers funerals…. I don't agree with the Scientology "church" but Haggis seems like a wishy washy pansy… and why is it taking him a year to decide finaly to leave? I think something else happened and this is just his "excuse"…
"…rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state…." Someone doesn't understand the Constitution.
Okay. He didn't like the prop 8 issue with the church and was pretty particular about the abuses to his wife and her parents. Does Scientology also teach you to sit on your fricken hands for years while you watch them treat your wife like shit? What the hell took you so long? What the hell kind of man are you?
I'm still not 100% this isn't a hoax. Fact checking has gone out the window these days. Just ask Rush Limbaugh and the US Chamber of Commerce.
scientology must die! boycott all who are associated with this scam and hit them where it hurts. what does it take to start a tax exempt religion anyway ? 10,000+ members and a really, really absurd story that we all "believe"? if so, anyone want to help me get the next denomination rolling? any leftover prophets out there looking for a new home i could use your help, i mean foresight.
end communication
Why is Haggis surprised? Doesn't Scientology try to "cure" gay people as well?
You know that Isaac Hayes died, right?
He didn't die, he left to meet Xenu.
When will people learn…
There is no such organization as the "Mormon Church".
The Official title is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"…..
Is hollywood lazy, or even saying the Lord's name out loud forbidden?
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Yeah, cure them by giving them meth and making them get naked.
Of course, please forgive the insensitivity of my previous comment
Anonymous knew about this for a week. Scientology teaches you that you do what they say or be declared a "Supressive Person" and be shunned by your peers. And yes, Scientology teaches that gays are low on the tone scale, and they should be cured, or if that is impossible, "disposed of quietly, and without sorrow", to quote L Ron Hubbard.
Scientology….Nahhhh…I think I'll stick with The Big Guy and His Son.
The US Chamber of Commerce though was not fooled by the hoax, the press was. There's a pretty amusing end to the hoax press conference where a real chamber official is announcing…this is not a real press conference while they get in a funny exchange where they ask each other to show each other their business cards.
It's funny…this is the first case where I've seen an irresistible "religion" (Scientology) meet an un-moveable "logic" (liberalism). I guess crazy logic wins.
Surprise surprise: the link to the full letter is down and the home website is offline. They don't wait to mess around, do they?
Isn't it obvious, Haggis simply did the math. There are more gays in Hollywood than Scientologists. Since he still wants to keep making his preachy, lame-ass films, he knew who he had to throw overboard.
Sorry Xenu.
TrueblueMormon:
I'm pretty sure he used "Mormon Church" simply because it's a heckuva lot shorter than "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". It's not meant as an insult.
Also, if the site's down you can also read the letter here: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com
TrueblueMormon:
I'm pretty sure he used "Mormon Church" simply because it's a heckuva lot shorter than "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". It's not meant as an insult.
Also, if the site's down you can also read the letter here: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com
Yes, but he left South Park over their episode on Scientology.
Which tells you a lot about Hayes and Sciencetologists. He loved it when the show made fun of Christianity. But touch his beloved, well, church, I guess you'd call it, and the gloves come off.
Most people don't. And I don't think that's an accident.
The government keeps throwing our tax payer money at the teachers (and their unions – that's where the dues come from), and the NEA keeps cranking out indoctrinated little sheep, ready for marching orders.
It's no accident.
What a worm. YOu mean to tell me he, HE forced his wife to sever from her own parents to please…..who? Don't try to tell me the "church" forced the disconnection, what are they gonna do if you meet your parents for a bbq, follow you there and commence to beat the crap out of everybody? Prop 8 my butt, he's probably coming out of the closet soon.
While I'm no fan of Scientology, and I question exactly what is entitled to tax exemption, this is a real sticky issue to get into.
I'm no fan of the state defining what is and what is not technically a church, but I see a world of hurt if tax exemption is denied to any religious organizations, because that means it can denied to all religious organizations.
I also understand that's not what you're proposing, I'm just taking the question to the next step.
For example, I'm Catholic, and our Parish has it's own food pantry for those in need, as well as a major contributor to the county food pantry. If they had to pay property taxes on all those buildings, I fear the food pantry would be on the chopping block.
To me it is important !!!!
Kind of like a clash of black holes, where they are so dense, even logic can't escape their gravitational pull.
Interesting thought!
It is Interesting to note who Mr. Haggis truly believes grants rights.
"rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state"
Apparently courts grant rights.
I think that the South Park guys made fun of the Cult of $cientology before without Hayes getting mad. But I guess the Cult caught wind and told him what to do.
How crazy! Cure gay people! What would Tom Cruise and John Travolta think?
there is a old web toon that blisters $cientology, cruise and travolta. Do a search for yaafm and Scientology. But be careful, it is not safe for work.
Perhaps Haggis will blame $cientology for Crash being such a poor film.
Graphx – if they had those annoying little emoticons (thank God they don't) I'd place an applauding little smiley face after your post! Excellent point.
In fairness, Howard Dean left his church because of a bike path, so leaving a non-church because of non-traditional marriage makes just about as much sense.
Let me know add Haggis' name to my list of "won't see his films again list," now totaling 4,782 members.
"Apparently courts grant rights."
Of course. It's in the founding documents, right after "do your own thing."
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35 YEARS? 35 Years? Wow! Little slow there buddy.
Your wife was FORCED to break ties.? Wimp!!
And your support for Obama is different how?
So, let me get this "straight", this celebrity cult dude is pissed at the celebrity cult because the cult opposes *rump rangerism* and attendent ~carpet munching~ so he's quit said celebrity cult in support of afore mentioned rangers and munchers, right?
LOL! HE JUST SWITHCED CULTS! He's openly LIBERAL! Liberalism is THE biggest CULT there is!
What a cult swapping choad whacker!
damn those rouge bike paths, making people *sweareth unto evil*!
was it a ~homophobic~ bike path? they're sthoooo evil, stinky poopoo heads.
It's too bad Philip K. Dick isn't still alive. This so much reminds me of Androids. Could be worked into a sequel.
we know he really ~worships~!
i think it's called: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Does this mean the remake of "BATTLEFIELD EARTH" is shelved?
How will Travolta fuel the 727? Was Cruise gonna be cast? Can little Tom wear ~platforms~?
What would Cruise and Travolta think? Aren't they still in the closet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlgRJC3DKMs
Because defining yourself by your sexual proclivities is the MOST IMPORTANT thing we can do or be recognized as human beings…………Paul Haggis, because he directed a "Movie" and is making the bold move to reject XENU and the Cult of Xenu will instead embrace a new Church, the Church of my-genital-stimulation-defines-me-as-a-person-and guarantees-me-the-right-to-infringe-upon-human-institutions-such-as-marriage-because-I-want-to-cram-my-genital-compulsions-down-everyone-else's-throat-and-masquerade-this-position-under-the-ruse-of-"Fairness"…..why? Two Orwellian Words embraced by Nazi-like libs and their cultural soon to be state-enforced Thought Police………………"Hate Speech". F-You…glad our side has the guns.
So when they ordered his wife to shun her own parents, that was cool with him. When they hold a position shared by the majority of voters, and Barack Obama, that's when he flips out. Haggis is an ass.
Noone is going to write all that. If you didn't want your religion to have a nickname, you should have chosen a shorter official name.
Scientology aside, Haggis has sure lied "well" or been extremely manipulative in his falsehoods, specifically, this:
"Their public sponsorship of Proposition 8, a hate-filled legislation that succeeded in taking away the civil rights of gay and lesbian citizens of California – rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state – shames us…"
Outright lies. Manipulation of truth, twisted reality, it's outright Socio-propaganda.
THE VOTERS OF CALIFORNIA voted overwhelmingly against "'gay' marriage," while a handfull of jurists, NINE (something like nine) people, then overrode the citizens' decision and implemented "'gay' marriage" against the will and decisively (and legitimately) voiced opinion of the people.
Prop. 8 corrected that malfeasance by those nine jurists.
The only injustice done there was that highly irregular, dictatorial override of the voter opinion by the jurists on the Ca. Supreme Court. The people spoke, the people went about voting down (Prop.
that irregular casting off of the people's vote.
Prop. 8 was the VOTERS correcting the weird, irregular tossing aside of their decision by a handful of jurists. I can understand how Scientology as also many other groups supported Prop. 8, in this regard: Prop. 8 sought to and accomplished again asserting the people's decision — most voters can easily recognize the outrageous miscarriage of the CA S.C.'s insertion overriding the voter decision on this issue (as with others) and why Prop. 8 was important in ongoing attempts to secure that our voting process is, indeed, respected.
It has more to do with respecting voter opinion than anything else (Prop. 8 did/does). That's no small thing. Homosexuals and other Leftwingers attacking others for supporting Prop. 8 is pitiful — it actually illustrates their actual fascist natures.
But Haggis being so demonstrative in rejecting Scientology is mere formality. Whatever his issues, they're hardly recently emerged complaints. He's just grandstanding with the Prop. 8 thing, using it as tool here, like many on the Left have as to other issues.
Which, AGAIN, illustrates the Left's fascist nature in denigrating voter opinion. "'Gay' marriage was voted against in the state of CA; homosexuals and others who sought that in the state can't stand the fact that the people voted and their opinion is as it now again remains, thanks to Prop. 8.
Well, if they call us Mormons, it's easier to imply that we're not Christian. It's a little harder to do that when the name of our church includes the name of the Savior.
But Haggis should get together with Pelosi, Kerry, Dodd, Biden, Sebelius, Durbin and other cafeteria catholics (little 'c') and share his "I leave the Church because I don't agree with one of their views" approach toward 'religion.'
Maybe that'll get these cafeteria catholics (little 'c') out of the Catholic Church and begin to rid the Church of these wavy-quasi-liars (all of whom work to promote, defend and enable abortion on demand, for starters, but claim to be Catholics).
The LDS church is shorter than the Mormon church, and it's more accurate, too.
and I thought scientology loons were totally clueless
guess even fools can get it right once in a while
good on scientology for standing up to the gaystapo
good on scientology for standing up to the gaystapo
About the "cure" issue, one CAN cure some individuals of misleading others. When vulnerable youth are manipulated into concluding they're homosexual, the culprit involved is he or she who does the misleading.
There is a tangled and ugly web involved there, psychologically, that devastates many lives and should be confronted. Unfortunately, the Left "embraces" the process.
I'm no Scientologist (I'm Catholic, which the Left, I'm assuming, thinks is worse) but I do respect any effort to confront the real causes and effects that trouble people's lives. The confrontation process is nearly consistently harassed by the Left, who relies on the manipulation of others, particularly of the vulnerable.
So whose side should we be taking in this dispute? Because right now, I'm all for having a pox on both their houses.
Its great news to hear someone of such high profile finally left, I think he is ignorant in regards to Prop 8 however but that isn't the issue, Scientology was dealt a serious blow by a celebrity finally. Praise God, I think Scientology will crumble in the a couple years.
Gay people dont have special "civil" rights. They are unrepentent sinners doomed to a life of eternal damnation.
Please turn away from your sin freaks, and repent.
Marriage reflects the natural moral and social law evidenced the world over. As the late British social anthropologist Joseph Daniel Unwin noted in his study of world civilizations, any society that devalued the nuclear family soon lost what he called "expansive energy," which might best be summarized as society's will to make things better for the next generation. In fact, no society that has loosened sexual morality outside of man-woman marriage has survived.
Analyzing studies of cultures spanning several thousands of years on several continents, Harvard sociologist Pitirim Sorokin found that virtually all political revolutions that brought about societal collapse were preceded by a sexual revolution in which marriage and family were devalued by the culture’s acceptance of homosexuality.
When marriage loses its unique status, women and children most frequently are the direct victims. Giving same-sex relationships or out-of-wedlock heterosexual couples the same special status and benefits as the marital bond would not be the expansion of a right but the destruction of a principle. . If the one-man/one-woman definition of marriage is broken, there is no logical stopping point for continuing the assault on marriage.
Already (5:37 PST) the link is broken, heh-heh-heh! I wonder why – some "disconnection"?
Is insanity contagious? Why all those Hollywood Scientology workers look like some androids – totally robotic, spaced out…
a mormon… excuse me, a jesus christ of latter-day saints-ian… may want to tread lightly when the subject is wacky religions… not that all religions aren't a little wacky.
ummm.. deciding cases involving questions of legal rights is kind of what the courts are FOR. in the marriage case, they decided that denying gay couples the enjoyment of the same rights and responsibilities as straight couples was a violation of the state constitution's equal protection clause. that's what courts DO.
I still think this story sits on a very flimsy foundation. Churches don't make political statements, else they risk their tax exemption. That "stay out of government" neutrality is one of the foundations of a 501(c) exemption. During the Bush administration, several small churches trod well over that line on what they thought were humanitarian ussues, and they got their tax exemption snipped. Which means donations will take a nosedive. No church as well-edicated as the Scientologists are would do that. Sadly, i think Mr. Haggis was totally led astray from day zero.
"Gay people dont have special "civil" rights".
This is correct. They possess the same rights as any American. They do not however possess the ability to take non traditional relationships and demand it is their "right" to call it marriage which must be given the imprimatur of the State which in turn creates forced necessary accomodations for these relationships.
Contrary to what the talking point states, marriage is NOT simply a religious institution. It is a legal partnering of two individuals of the opposite sex which is recognized as the building block of a good and ordered society. It has provisions for many things which are intrinsic to how society has worked for thousands of years. Even in plural marriages the same object was present.
Part 2
Law does not prevent the same sex couple from acquiring all the same characteristics of marriage but it stops short of considering it marriage for the very reasons stated above. Same sex marriage does not serve the same purpose, does not create the same benefit, and by legalization would dilute the society benefitting qualities of the institution of marriage.
Gays fight for same sex marriage for one reason and one reason alone and its not to acquire the unique advantages of marriage, those can all be obtained in separate ways and the marriage certificate does not create the emotional bond between two people.
Gays fight for same sex marriage to obtain by fiat or subterfuge that which society is not yet ready to grant, which is uncritical acceptance. With the force of the State behind them they can begin to coerce society by law to view homosexuality as valid life choices thus making the debate moot.
Sorry for the digression
So, where was his moral compass when the church insisted his wife cut contact from her parents? A real man would have quit the church then. He's a typical Hollywood hypocrit. Bleeding heart piece of soggy tissue. Next thing he'll fly to Africa and open a school and adopt some kids.
And forcing his wife to cut ties with her parents wasn’t a good enough reason to leave? What a douche.
also on "the prop 8 thing"…..How does a person like Haggis, who is supposed to be intelligent, come to believe that the Supreme Court grants CA citizens their rights? How does an intelligent person become so stupid?
No kidding. I reckon we should blame the CA schools for that
what's wrong with that? if you were gay wouldn't you want to be "cured"? Most gays do, until the glbt activists get ahold of them and convince them they are "special"
There is nothing good at all good about Scientology. It is an absolutely horrid and murderous cult. Just says more about Haggis horrible sense of judgment. IMHO
Where was the right to marriage in California's constitution?
It's similar to the controversial Marion Barry not supporting gay marriage here in DC when residents like myself can't vote on the issue. Yes, Barry deserves to be criticized for his drug problems, womanizing and tax fraud. But he deserves praise for standing for marriage and democracy in Washington, DC.
Similarly, the Scientologists deserve kudo for not bowing to the Gay Mafia.
Hmmmm, so based on his idiotic logic, then the CA state Supreme Court, since it has the authority to grant rights, also has the authority to remove them. Wonder how annoyed he would be if they decided he didn't have the right to make stupid movies?
Who else grants rights…Xenu?
I don't think it's only "they" who call Latter Day Saints, Mormons. LDS call themselves Mormons in almost every T.V. ad I've ever seen from them.
Wait a minute. You call yourself "Mormon" in your name. How is it offensive for someone else to call you Mormon, or to call your church the Mormon church? I know it's not your church's official title, but I think it's hardly an insult.
That site's down now, too. Coincidence? I think not.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archiv...
new link letter is part of the story
Prop. 8 was a year ago – and only NOW Haggis is quitting Scientology? Something doesn't add up. Clearly, Haggis is using the Prop. 8 'homophobe' excuse to cover up for the real reason.
And btw, Haggis, your knowledge of law is pathetic. NO court, Supreme or not, can 'grant' rights, whether they be for gay marriage, mowing your lawn or whatever. All a court is allowed to do is affirm the rights stated in the Constitution. Of course, I can understand Haggis' pathetic misunderstanding of what courts can do since the courts themselves are even more pathetic in their heinous abuse of their power.
This just worked for me:
http://www.scientology-cult.com/declarations-of-i...
As opposed to when they call us just Lutherans, or Baptists, or Episcopalians, or Catholics?
Save the persecution complex for your internal fundraising, please.
"Prop. 8 corrected that malfeasance by those nine jurists."
Typically, I'm the last person to favor an emotional/moral reaction over a procedural one…
…but, honestly, even taking various religious opinions into account, I simply can't wrap my head around the idea that a court decision which effectively gave both happiness and tangible help to MILLIONS without harming anyone else (seriously, the positive/negative on legalizing gay marriage is so lopsided toward "positive" as to be laughable) is "malfeasance" just blows my mind.
Other than desperately trying to preserve an outmoded, malfunctional model of "traditional" society in the face of nigh-innevitable cultural evolution… exactly what IS the objection to all this? It's not as though there's a "quota" of marriage licenses and if the gays can do it to you might not get one…
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I love it. Good one Underling!
Seriously.
If this letter is true, it means that Haggis was simply irked by the church forcing his wife to "disconnect" from her parents. On the other hand, the church's support of Prop 8 was unforgivable.
Really? Supporting Prop 8 is worse than forcing your wife to cease all communication with her parents? Really?
I think it's pretty well known that Hubbard hated queers. They just did not fit into his world of rich old men and hot chicks.
The entire "religion" is made up bunk from a pulp science fiction writer. It's astounding that anyone believes it.
Scientology busted by court in France: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8327569.stm
The clearest thing Haggis copped to was having 'more than a little stupidity'.
I'm struck mostly by the wasted decades some of these Scientology folks spent trying to get others to waste Their decades in this business masquerading as a religion. Haggis seems to want reaffirmation, by listing all his 'honors, memberships, and awards'.
Tom Cruise with the guy who runs the cult
http://tv.rightcelebrity.com/wp-content/photos/to...
He won a medal
http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008...
Guys, guys, guys–we're getting off track here. Whether they call us Mormons or LDS or what have you (I'm a member myself)–is a matter of technicality.
Kadaka, the first line of your statement was right. Whatever appellate we have, denomination-wise, is a post-it note on our Christianity. Catholics believe the Church was built on Peter, Lutherans believe the Church needed reformation, Baptists focus on that ordinance, and Mormons believe in restoration and continued revelation. Obviously we all think we're right, so let's follow our conscience and the Spirit, and let Him sort it out on the other side.
Let's not get into accusing each other of playing the persecuted–all Christianity, and for that all religion, is under attack. I am opposed to numerous practices and ideals of Scientology (to say nothing of the fact that Battlefield Earth sucked, but that's another story), but I'm not going to go around bashing it for people. Everyone is smart enough to make up their own mind.
Hey Polacko, come on…we're all friends here. I'm Mormon myself (sometimes I say LDS, sometimes I don't, whatever). TBM is on a strange crusade here.
Amen that. The Declaration of Independence is pretty clear about rights coming from our Creator. The Courts are only there to define the application of the standing law with respect to incidents on a case-by-case basis. The court doesn't grant rights–it doesn't have that power, and it certainly doesn't have the power to alter or destroy an institution which it itself never created in the first place.
Furthermore, the radical idea that marriage is a "civil right" is really destructive to the whole cause of the anti Prop 8 group. Marriage isn't a civil right, it's a secular institution. The gov't only has its hand in it to litigate when obligations of spousal or child dependency aren't being met. And in order to have that power, they just need to officially recognize marriages (man and woman.)
Hahahaha reminds me of an article I read in a college newspaper earlier this year. This girl wanted people to stop using the word "fag", and goes off about how bad name-calling is. Then she ends her article by throwing a couple of bad names at people who use that word.
I can say all day long that the sky is fire-engine red at high noon, but that won't change that fact that it's blue on a clear day.
Likewise they can call marriage a "right" all they want, but that won't change the fact that they're building themselves on a foundation of packing peanuts and cellophane.
News headline: Church of Scientology convicted of fraud in France…
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