Althouse: ‘Am I wrong to see Moore as an anti-Semite?’
by Big Hollywood
“The most striking thing in the movie was the religion. I think Moore is seriously motivated by Christianity. He says he is (and has been since he was a boy). And he presented various priests, Biblical quotations, and movie footage from “Jesus of Nazareth” to make the argument that Christianity requires socialism. With this theme, I found it unsettling that in attacking the banking system, Moore presented quite a parade of Jewish names and faces. He never says the word “Jewish,” but I think the anti-Semitic theme is there. We receive long lectures about how capitalism is inconsistent with Christianity, followed a heavy-handed array of — it’s up to you to see that they are — Jewish villains.
“Am I wrong to see Moore as an anti-Semite? I don’t know, but the movie worked as anti-Semitic propaganda. I had to struggle to fight off the idea the movie seemed to want to plant in my head.”
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Michael Moore hates everyone except for himself.
I'll hate him extra to make up for it….
Welcome to BH, Ann.
Wow. Really doesn't take much to throw out those specious accusations of anti-Semitism, does it? I don't care for the guy either, but come on. Really?
Moore is not an anti-semite just because bankers in his movies happen to be Jewish. This vile strategy is no different than labeling critics of Obama racist simply because he happens to be black. I hope you posted this article for laughs, not to be taken seriously.
I think it would be wrong to see Moore period.
Ugh… except he and many others on the left commonly "forget" that Christ had and wanted nothing to do with Human Government… If I hear one more time that Christ was a socialist I am going to make them point it out scripturally… Christ commanding us to help the poor and down trodden is not advocacy to socialism or communism… In fact, he even said to render to Cesear what is Cesear's and to God what is God's…
And it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Moore is an Anti-Semite…. it has become my understanding that there are many people on the left that are closet racists of one group or another…
Christ wants you to give of what you own for the poor– that's charity. Not take from someone else for your own benefit– that's socialism.
"I think Moore is seriously motivated by Christianity." I believe Jesus' call to help the poor was an individual mandate, not a state mandate. I have friends who think pulling the lever for Obama and then going home to smoke pot and watch "The Office" makes them a humanitarian. What has MM ever done on an individual level to actually help the poor? I dont know. Maybe he does things that I dont see. Thats always possible. But what I can see is that he makes self-righteous movies that line his own pockets.
The good Samaritan crossed the street to help a person in need.
The leftist good Samaritan sees a need, they hustle up a gentile and tax him and take his money and give to the needy instead of their own.
Like I want a pick pocket to take my wallet to run a soup kitchen.
Most leftists are anti-Jewish and pro-Arab (both of whom are Semites). Presidents Obama and Carter are both prime examples. I'm guessing, though, that you're mistaken in assuming Moore was trying to make an anti-Jewish statement in the movie. I can only guess, because I sure as hell won't see the movie, which would be the only way I could render an honest opinion.
Most leftists are anti-Jewish and pro-Arab (both of whom are Semites). Presidents Obama and Carter are prime examples. I'm guessing, though, that you're mistaken in assuming Moore was trying to make an anti-Jewish statement in the movie. I can only guess, because I sure as hell won't see the movie, which would be the only way I could render an honest opinion.
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If Moore thinks he is motivated by Christianity, then he is as poor a theologian as he is a political theorist. Socialism elevates the State above the individual, the individual whom Christians believe Jesus gave his life to save. It also takes the firstfruits of one's labors; a Christian believes those belong to God. One cannot also be a Christian and an Anti-Semite. Those are mutually exclusive.
The most interesting part to me is Moore advocating that the power of the State be used to force his religious beliefs on society. Christianist alert, "liberals"! To the barricades!
I don't care if they are Jewish, Christian, or Buddhists but Bankers are anti-people (unless your wealthy). They steal money from people with outrageous charges and fees. They are usurious and in the not to distant past would have been thrown in jail for usury.
As for Michael Moore, I can't stand his films but to think he is an anti semite because he quotes the Bible is beyond stupidity. Moore uses anything he can get his chubby little hands on to make his far left points. To think that Christianity requires socialism is just plain idiotic.
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Amen, k8. Can't stand it either and always follow up with Christ taught to teach the person to fish so you don't have to perpetually give them the fish. Gotta love Messianic lessons on personal responsibility.
While I agree that it is far too easy to find an anti-Semitic subtext in just about anything if one tries, I would point out that the rise of socialism and the rise of virulent anti-Semitism did go hand-in-hand in the 19th century. The populist anti-capitalists quite often found traction in linking the "Jewish owned" banking system and the "world wide Jewish conspiracy" in the people's minds, so much so that more than just a few early progressives and socialists were also virulent anti-Semites. While I'm not convinced that the evidence here means Comrade Moore is an anti-Semite, I do think the charge is not without some merit. At least, from a historical persepective.
Point of fact, Jesus was apolitical. Judas was a socialist.
John 12:4-6
"Then Judas said, 'Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?'
This he said, not because he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bore what was put in it."
The less said about this guy the better. We can do the same that they do to us – ignore, dismiss, ridicule if we must said. Same goes for the rest of the Democrats in the media – just pay no attention. Moore wants controversy because it sells tickets, and he makes money. Still an unhappy fat slob, but a rich unhappy fat slob, who makes poorly directed pseudo-documentries – and I don't want to make him richer. The worst thing that ever happened is that Obama got elected because he is now superflous to the Democrats, and a bit of an embarassment. Move along, nothing to see here….
The only thing more repugnant than Michael Moore is someone who sees anti-Semitism in any topic that has to do with any Jew or any act of aggression by Israel.
Seriously folks,didn't we get enough of this crap during the inquisition?
Enough s enough.
If an Israeli or Jew does something horrible,they must be held accountable without the opponent being labelled as a hater otherwise we'll have lots of REAL anti-Semitism.
Bring me Solo and the Wookie
"Moore presented quite a parade of Jewish names and faces" True or not? I did not and would not see the movie, but is that assertion true or not?
Anymore all you need to do to be branded a racist is wake up in the morning.
I remember that verse and didn't make the connection until now.
If the government would have let capitalism work most of these banks that charge these outragious rates would have went under, but with big government propping them up they will continue with there ways. If the government would have stayed out of the banking business these companies would have went under or changed there practices to attrack more consumers, or disappeared. I'm waiting for someone to try and sue one of these banks that has the government on there board, I have a sneaky feeling it will be " you can't sue the government".
Exactly
Well, if he catalogued the American banking industry it is probably true.
But I'm with you; the only way I'd ever go to a Michael Moore film is if they paid me $100, gave me free popcorn, and forced Meghan Fox and Katy Perry to sit next to me and make out with each other during the boring parts of the movie.
LOLOLOLOL….so now even if you name or show a picture of someone that happens to be jewish you're anti-semitic..hahahhahahhaaha. IS THIS A JOKE OR WHAT! Am I an anti-semite for saying Bernie Madoff is a douche bag! hahahhaahha
I'm not a priest or reverend, but didn't he want YOU to help your fellow man? You work hard to earn your money, unless you're Micheal Moore or Will Ferrell, and by giving of yourself to your fellow man, it would make you and the person you helped stronger spiritually? Not by having your money laundered by an intrusive, impersonal monolith, like a government.
My evidence to back up this co-opting of Christianity is my Polish friend who shouted at me that we are supposed to have compassion for the poor, and I must not care about the poor if I don't agree that we should overthrow capitalism. That guy was antisemitic too. I don't get it. Are they just trying to win over Christians? Do they have some sort of theology they use to justify removing freedom? What about liberation theology? How could they be aligning themselves with atheists? Oh yes–the removal of personal responsibility to be fair and decent. Do they hate people and mistrust human nature? For sure. Why, when we can only experience ourselves? Because they loathe themselves?
Maybe you should be asking if those bankers acted greedly and selfishly. If that's true then Moore had no reason not to do some muck raking. Honestly, you sound like you chose to cry racism instead of defending your belief with any facts.
Note to Andrew Breitbart: Could you please get the posting filters fixed? This is getting ridiculous.
Why why why is everyone still talking about Moore? His latest docuganda film tanked. Let him stink back into obscurity. Everytime you mention his name, he probably sells a few thou, I mean dozen tickets.
This crap makes me laugh everytime I see it. "Let's put Jesus in a western ideological framework to support our particular materialistic point of view!" Jesus was neither a capitalist nor a communist. He said to Pontius Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world."
Christ called man to come into communion not communism, not consumerism. The Apostles had communities not communes, not commercial ventures. The virtue of sharing was stressed, not forced redistribution.
Moore, liberation theologians, mega church personalities, they're all the same: materialists.
It's not so much that Moore is specifically an anti-Semite. He's a modern liberal. And that requires jettisoning every moral context or pretext, and accepting the herd mentality.
Israel is currently "out" on the list of what's really cool to modern liberals, so they are fair game for the left. It's no different with Polanski. How on earth could anyone support a serial child predator? Because international movie moguls, living the famed jet-set life style is on the "in" list of cool people. So anything goes.
Herd mentality.
Maybe, or maybe not. But you are definitely right to see him as a self-absorbed, fat slob.
Hey, talk about Obama and pot all you want, but leave The Office out of this!
Seriously, though, for all those quotes Moore can put up saying how capitalism is inconsistent with Christianity, I can cite a more telling one: "My kingdom is not of this world," something the so-called Christian socialists seem not to remember.
Amen from me too.
Just because someone says Bernie Madoff was a criminal doesn't make them an anti-Semite. And just because someone was raised in a Christian home (allegedly) doesn't make them an anti-Semite. Unless you are a race-baiter. I don't believe Michael Moore is any more anti-Semitic than he is just anti-anyone-other-than-him.
Or the leftist drums up "awareness" of the need and expects the good samaritan to foot the bill. Costs them nothing but some shoe leather, if that.
Perhaps antisemites in Europe equate banking with Jews, but in America, if you say the word "banker," most people will picture an old-money, snooty aristocrat like Randolph or Mortimer Duke from "Trading Places."
THOSE are still the terms in which the dull, unimaginative Michael Moore thinks. He may be reciting a list of Jewish names, but I don't think it registers with him that the people he's lambasting are Jewish. He thinks of "the rich" as stuffy WASPs in top hats and tuxedos.
Only folks who mismanage their money pay said fees. Its common practice, although the fees are exorbitent. As long as you keep your head above water you are fine, don't blame the banks for people's spending habits
Thank you!
Jesus saves.
Moses Invests.
Deal with it MM.
So Judas Iscariot did not work for ACORN?
I don't know if Moore is anti-semitic but I would not put it past him to use the imagery of the evil jewish banker to influence his audience. This is the same thing that communist and socialist propagandists in Europe did in the 20th century. We know that Moore puts his ideology ahead of honesty. Why is it so hard to believe that he would stoop to playing on anti-semitic feelings of the ignorant people that compose most of his loyal foollowing?
What Michael Moore and many of the posters here fail to realize is that "Jesus" was a Torah observant Hebrew who lived a Torah observant life. He had nothing to do with Christianity. Christianity is a man-made religion as bogus as Michal Moore himself.
I think Michael Moore is the typical self-hating white liberal.
Either way, his quadruple cheeseburger eating lard ass clearly hates America and even himself. Is that too hard to see?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/...
Now Judge Goldstone – A life-long Zionist and a Governor of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Goldstone believes bringing war criminals to justice stems from the lessons of the Holocaust and that the creation of Israel symbolised what the postwar human rights movement was all about…..IS BEING CALLED AN ANTI-SEMITIC/SELF HATING JEW FOR TELLING THE TRUTH!
TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE THE PEOPLE LABELED ANTI-SEMITIC ARE BASICALLY PEOPLE WHO PROTEST ISRAEL INHUMANE TREATMENT OF OTHER PEOPLE BUT YET THEY WANT TO WAVE THE HOLOCAUST FLAG AT THE PUBLIC ALL THE TIME BUT CAN'T SEE THE HOLOCAUST THEY ARE PERFORMING ON "BROWN-SKINNED" PEOPLE." REGARDLESS OF A PERSON RELIGION OR RACE, IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING WRONG THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED BASED ON THAT ACTION!
IT'S LIKE ME SAYING AMERICANS ARE STUPID WHEN IT COMES TO WORLD POLITICS ECAUSE OF MEDIA MISINFORMATION. IS THAT ANTI-SEMITIC TOO BECAUSE PEOPLE OF THE JEWISH FAITH OWN 96% OF ALL MEDIA?
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/six-jewi...
Wel, it makes sense, right? Maybe these idiots believe that socialism can produce a "loaves and the fishes" country where all you need is a little money and you can miraculously turn it into free health care for all.
"Am I wrong to see Moore as an anti-Semite?" NO. Are you wrong to see Moore as a Christian? YES!!!!
If opposing nationalized health care makes you racist, then this definitely makes you anti semitic.
I think that's just incidental.
Really….!
hmmm.. if I remember history correctly, Jews were one of the groups victimized by the Inquisition, not the perpetrators of it…
Where does Christ teach that it's better to teach a man to fish than to give him fish? The original proverb ("Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day…") is Chinese in origin and off the top of my head I can't come up with a teaching of Jesus that's very similar.
I'm pretty sure the reason why he contrasts capitalism to Christianity is that so much of America identifies itself as Christian. He's appealing to their values (and pointing out their hypocrisy), rather than promoting Christianity itself per se.
Sorry to point this out, but I live in NY, and there are a lot of Jews in the banking system on Wall Street, disproportionate to the Jewish population in the NY area and in the US. I know that today's american discourse permits it's citizens to talk about everything except the obvious, but I'd be a lot more concerned if Moore "paraded' a group of black or hispanic people as the leaders who run the banking system. Why? Because it's false. It's not antisemitic to identify the leadership of an industry that intentionally and systematically undermines genuine capitalism. Nobody notices that they're Jews until the accusations of antisemitism begin. They're criminals first, and the fact that they're Jews isn't relevant until you imbeciles bring it up, which is the real catalyst for the dumb people to start hating Jews. The only Jews people should hate are the ones who frame everything, including criminal behavior, as Jewish persecution.
I don't know if it's true. I didn't see the movie. In any case, it would be irrelevant.
Charity begins at home. Then there is self reliance and your own responsibility. It isn't about a created extortion racket stealing our money under the guise of taxes and using that money to buy voters and turn then into moochers. This isn't christianity this is an old mafia extortion racket that politicians learn this from the mob. Fat Moore hates America and everyone else. He gets off being hated, this is how he was in high school. He went against anything his classmates wanted to do. They asked him never to come to any reunions because he ruined their four years in high school. I guess he wasn't burped enough as a baby by his mother. He is a worthless sack of leftist shit and he isn't a filmmaker, his stuff sucks. Anyone can make a propaganda documentary. He is in his last run in the sunlight.
Christ was Jewish. Moore tots in hell and blubber-boy will feed lots of worms. His blubber could heat the furnaces to combat global cooling…
the movie ends with a song about what Jesus wanted. It was written and performed by a Communist. Anyone see the irony?
People have used religion to advance their agendas for a long time. It's nothing personal. Just wrong.
Please cite your evidence, or are you just anti-Chrisitan "Sara"?
I read a quote recently that "Left-liberalism is a Christian heresy. Communism is a Jewish heresy. Fascism is a pagan heresy". Being fat and stupid must be a Hollywood heresy.
Well, hell, then why not levy a $1,000 overdraft charge instead of $35? If any amount is justified because a person "mismanaged" his account, I don't see why it shouldn't be that or higher.
Are you aware that Bank of America earned $8 Billion dollars from fees and service charges last year? Yes, you read that right: $8 Billion! Hey, it's a good gig if you can get it; you just sit around and get stinkin' rich off of other peoples' mistakes/misfortune. You don't have to lift a finger.
As it happens, I just had an overdraft experience (not BoA) because I signed up to have a .99 per month fee charged to the wrong credit/debit card. The debit card I used is connected with an inactive checking account at my bank. I signed up for the .99 service (stupidly, but hey, it's only .99) at the end of September. Thus there were two .99 debits within a couple of days of each other. Now, since my account became overdrawn when the first one hit, I'm being charged $70 in fees on a grand total overdraft of $1.98. Moreover, for every day the account remains overdrawn, they throw on another five bucks. I've decided just to let it sit there and accumulate indefinitely. I will never pay such larcenous charges. I'll cover my two bucks and they can kiss my ass for the rest.
To be clear, Althouse is not out and out saying he is anti-semitic, moreso musing about the possibility. A lot more responsible then Maureen Dowd's fantastical claim that Joe Wilson said "You lie, boy" where she openly accused Joe Wilson of being racist, using as evidence a comment which she imagined he had said. Or for that matter the constant accusations leveled by the left that Pat Buchanen is anti-semitic, due to his different take on the lead up to WW2 (Not the racial policies of the Nazis).
Given the history on this topic, it's good to keep an eye on things like this to make sure that anti-semitic feelings don't start getting tied up in the bailout debate. On the other hand, these accusations get thrown around too much so its better to be reserved about it. There are plenty of other things to criticize Moore on, no reason to muddy the debate.
Sounds like you picked the wrong card…And that's BoA's fault because…? I've made the same mistakes myself, but I realize that I made the mistake, not the bank. I now know what card has what balances.
As of my writing this comment v…. has a minus 1 for saying he doesn't think Moore is an anti-semite. Really??? Just for disagreeing with what at least is a little bit of dubious argument?
Michael Moore is no more a socialist than Hitler was. Michael Moore is a thug and a bully. He is not an idealogue and he proves it by raking in money for "documentarys" no one see's. He attacks what makes him wealthy. He wants that money. Like Algore he has merely found a niche' to make cash. Algore uses the fraud of Global Whining and Moore perpetuates a fraud that he is an actually a Marxist. See the thing about anti Semite socialists is this: They are criminals. Look at Goering. Look at Goebbels. It wasn't about killing people for their religion it was about exterminating people and taking their wealth. Ultimately maybe Moore is doing that? What makes me angry is he is perverting Christianity.
SO what if he is? This is the real world SOme people hate Jews. SO what. You can't regulate hate. It isn't like Jews are innocent little pets or something.. Michael Moore.. YOU GUYS put him on top didn't ya? LIke Kanye and the rest of the fakeers and posers getting rich from their scams.. Moore's scam is to be a fat hypocrite. YOU broke it.. you buy it.
I wouldn´t be surprised if Moore were a Jew hater. But this doesn´t sound like conclusive evidence. Problem is, you cannot really describe a propagada movie in words. One really would have to see the movie to get a feeling of how he gets this across, and I have no plans to waste time on this nonsense.
Moore is not an anti-semite just because the bankers in his movie are Jewish.
But if he is, on the one hand, pushing and pushing the notion that socialism is Christian and good and Christianity requires socialism… then the rest is in a context, isn't it?
Christian – good. Jewish – bad.
The question Althouse asked was… did he do it on purpose?
I see a big fat azzed POS when ~I see Moore~!
Fryed or on a stick?
Yeah, that would explain why the Pharisees had the Romans crucify him for blasphemy.
Considering how the MSM is circling the drain, I find that hard to believe.
Did you see the movie?
If not, how can you say that there is nothing there other than the fact that some evil banker just happens to be Jewish?
I haven't seen it. Probably won't see it. But the claim is that the movie presents Christianity as requiring socialism and making this religious, moral argument and then in a position opposite this Christian goodness, presenting Jewish names and faces as the bad guys, without saying "look at these Jews" but knowing that the audience will recognize those shown as Jewish.
So did it or not?
The reason that Jewish people are disproportional in the finance industry is because its a service industry.
Historically, many countries outlawed Jews from owning property like farms or factories. So they gravitated towards service industries where owning property isn't a requirement, such as banking, tailoring, law, media, and even diamond merchants, since diamonds aren't land.
It's got nothing to do with ethnicity, it was out of necessity.
Wait a minute …
… If SOCIALISM = CHRISTIANITY ….
What about the all-important separation of church and state?
Guess he's OK with imposing "morality" on everyone after all.
I don't think Fat Moore hates America in the least. I think this is all a clever rouse to rob brain dead modern liberals blind. He may say and act like he hates it, but I don't think he has much of a problem with his cushy mansions and high rise condos in Manhattan.
Beats actually working for a living.
The thing is… what Moore is good at is propaganda and manipulation… this is what he does well. This is what made him his fortune. If Althouse watches the movie and finds herself having "to struggle to fight off the idea the movie seemed to want to plant in my head" what REALLY are the chances that Moore created something BY ACCIDENT that manipulated his audience in ways that he did not intend?
The only real question is if he's failing, falling down on his game, to the extent that this film was so sloppy that he really and honestly was not aware of the power of that particular juxtaposition.
Which is possible.
Liberation theology is what it's officially called. But it's nothing more than Marxism crouched in Christian terms.
The theory goes that the totality of Jesus' teachings prove that he so hated injustice, that he would basically violate pretty much every lesson he taught in order to eradicate it. Pretty sick stuff.
I don't want to get down in to religion or theology, but here's a short example I ran into. In one parable a farmer owns a field that's ready to be harvested, so he goes to town and hires workers. Then he goes back, again, and again, and again, all day long, hiring who ever he can find.
It's meant to represent God's invitation to salvation is open to every one and anyone. So what does a liberation theologian do with this?
What about all the people, the illegals, the cripples, those in the shadow, who weren't invited to work? What about those poor souls, and the injustice done to them?
Duh, the lesson of the parable is that no one is refused. These people will twist anything and everything to justify their ends.
For the last few weeks I have been hyping this movie to my economics classes, telling them that, "The good thing is the tickets to see it are FREE!!!" So go to box office on Friday night and you will be let in for free since Moore would never dream of providing a service in the dirty capitialist market place that might generate a (gasp) profi!!!"
FWIW, having actually seen the movie, the thought occured to me but isn't really matched by the sequence of events onscreen. Moore is an unsubtle artist, and if he'd wanted to be anti-semetic it would've been unmistakable. There's a lot of specious stuff in here, but this isn't one of them.
The "religious" portion of the movie consists of interviews with a handful of Roman Catholic bishops who believe that doctrinaire Capitalism is inconsistent with Christian morality; and is set up as the "counterpoint" to film clips of conservative commentators using religious language to support the Free Market.
At my screening, Moore attended for a Q&A. At one point, a young woman stood up and offered gushing thanks for that segment because she is a Catholic and appreciated the support for her belief that one can be Christian AND Liberal. Moore thanked her, but then very hurriedly tripped over himself to elaborate that he doesn't support the modern church, that it does a lot of harm and that the child-rape scandal remained an unpunished criminal conspiracy. So… I imagine his religiousity is more for effect here than anything else.
What I would challenge Moore to do is find me one verse in the Gospels, just one, where Jesus tells his disciples to use the implied threat of government force to make people follow his teachings.
Because I can't find it anywhere.
What Moore is really good at is preaching to the choir of leftists. It's a lot easier and much more rewarding than actually trying to demonstrate talent.
Watch how easy it is: What about Bush? Is he an idiot or what?
And then watch liberals rolling in the aisles laughing till they pee themselves.
Anybody who seriously thinks the biblical message of christ was themed on personal responsibility over charity needs to re-read the book. It is hard to find a theme more prevalent in the bible than how it is our duty to take care of the needy and the sick. It was not an idle suggestion!
The point was clearly focused on the need of the poor, and was clearly not overly concerned with how our help was administered to them. The needs of starving people VASTLY outweigh your ridiculous capitalist vs. socialist arguments. I doubt jesus would care at all about your political leaning of choice. People are far more real and compelling a reason to act than political theory.
So, what if the majority of the people behind this BS Banking/Real Estate bubble really WERE JEWISH??????
Would that make me, or anyone else for that matter, automatically Anti-Semitic???
I call that censorship. Jews in powerful places throw the 'Annti-Semitism' label around whenever they've been caught red-handed it seems.
Does making that obvious statement make me racist, ant-semetic, or whatever?
two words: Goldman Sachs
and Jews are also the majority in charge of Goldman Sachs, where each of our past two Treasury Secretaries have come from, and were on the frontline of shoving a stimulus package down the People's throats.
DGL's point is that I should be able to bash Geitner and all those Goldman jerks without being called Anti-Semite.
What are they then? Anti-human?
P.S. look up the Israeli/Hamas conflict of 2006, and look at those numbers, then tell me the Jews don't commit atrocities of their own
Christians are not called to serve Christ; they are called to serve God in Christ's name. The former would clearly break the first commandment.
Besides, we all know just how smart thirty-somethings are, and how they are so much wiser than their parents…
(Personally, I am not convinced that Christianity isn't a complete affront to the first and second commandments anyway, but that's another discussion entirely.)
1. Overdraft protection.
2. Capitalism prevents the $1000 overdraft charge.
3. You signed up for the 99c charge. If you don't like the overdraft fee — find another bank. Tell your bank manager you're walking across the street if they don't refund the fee.
4. Shop around; my bank waives every fee I incur, including for wire transfers, premium checking, etc. Quit being so lazy!
Anyone can bash Geither and Goldman all they like, but truth is, it was a massive government bailout that kept them from paying for their own failings. As for the "majority of Jews in charge", I didn't realize that one's religion was on the lists of ownership roles. And seems to me, I've heard this "Jews own everything" schpeal before, over many periods of history right before angry mobs broke into their homes and put them to the sword.
As for your PS, exactly when did shooting back at someone repeteadly trying to kill you, despite all attempts to settle things peacefully, become an atrocity?
David, I agree with you wholeheartedly with your second paragraph. The first? Not-so-much. Your choice to do business with any particular bank is just that. YOURS. Most people do not bother to inform themselves of what they are signing on to when they open a credit, banking, checking account, etc. That is to their own peril. Yes, it is a pain when a small mistake becomes costly. I have done it and have never had a problem getting my bank to work with me. I am a good customer and have established a good history with my bank. As for the banks being " Anti-people" unless you are wealthy, I could not disagree more. I am considered wealthy, and they will ding my account just like anyone elses. Yep, it requires effort to get the fees undone, but hey, I signed on for it!
David, I agree with you wholeheartedly with your second paragraph. The first? Not-so-much. Your choice to do business with any particular bank is just that. YOURS. Most people do not bother to inform themselves of what they are signing on to when they open a credit, banking, checking account, etc. That is to their own peril. Yes, it is a pain when a small mistake becomes costly. I have done it and have never had a problem getting my bank to work with me. I am a good customer and have established a good history with my bank. As for the banks being " Anti-people" unless you are wealthy, I could not disagree more. I am considered wealthy, and they will ding my account just like anyone elses. Yep, it requires effort to get the fees undone, but hey, I signed on for it!
BTW, who in their right mind would sign up for, as you said "userious" interest rates? No one that I know of unless they have completely wrecked their own credit, in which case they should avoid borrowing or have to pay for their poor credit standing.
one thing for sure, Moore is no Christian, either…
This is just old internationalist banker bashing, a favourite of both the left AND right. They deserve to be bashed, mind you- but last we checked Rothschild may be Jewish but Rockefeller and JP Morgan sure weren't.
So it's far more about bad people of every stripe. But Moore is a demagogue, and it serves his parochial interests to sound like Father Fleger (Obama's nutjob priest pal) in railing against 'big finance'. So while this has the patina of anti-Semitism (and some of it is there no doubt) this is painting a colour by numbers with a 5" brush.
Typical of Moore…
Jabba Hungry!
What's this?!? There are Jewish bankers? I've never heard of such a thing!
Seriously, I can't stand Michael Moore, but showing Jewish bankers while critiquing the financial sector and getting slammed as anti-Semitic is a bit like showing Kobe Bryant and LeBron James while critiquing the NBA and getting slammed as being a racist.
What's this?!? There are Jewish bankers? I've never heard of such a thing!
Seriously, I can't stand Michael Moore, but showing Jewish bankers while critiquing the financial sector and getting slammed as anti-Semitic is a bit like showing Kobe Bryant and LeBron James while critiquing the NBA and getting slammed as being a racist.
Don't fall into the trap of playing the anti-Semitism card the way the Left plays the race card.
What's this?!? There are Jewish bankers? I've never heard of such a thing!
Seriously, I can't stand Michael Moore, but getting slammed as anti-Semitic for showing Jewish bankers while critiquing the financial sector is a bit like getting slammed as being a racist for showing Kobe Bryant and LeBron James while critiquing the NBA.
Don't fall into the trap of playing the anti-Semitism card the way the Left plays the race card.
I haven't done a whole lot of researching on the Inquisition, though I've been meaning to take a deeper look. But from what I've learned while studying other historical events around that time, the Inquisition was basically The King of Spain, having finally conquered all of the peninsula, finally got a chance to clean out undesirables.
Jews had built a thriving community under the Muslim government, one of the largest concentrations. And that didn't sit very well. But I'm sure any remaining Muslims as wells as Spaniards who'd gotten along were also targets.
The Church's main connection – besides supplying the legal justification and scholars – was to accept a huge pot of gold from Spain to look the other way. Which is totally reprehensible to any sane person. Believe me, I'm not giving them any slack on this one. The blood was on their hands just as much.
Moore is a lot of things, but I don't think he's an anti-Semite. And I don't want "Anti-semite" to be the new 'racist'. For now, I will believe it was accident.
For now.
*MissQuinn*
Hi Ed. I'm aware of so-called liberation theology. Yes, pretty sickening. Don't forget, in the parable you mention, there were those who complained that the latecomers should not get the same reward as those who were hired first. That sort of equality of results may sound like socialism to some but the rewards spoken of are not of this earth. I don't believe Marx was enamored of that concept so it's hard to believe that Jesus was a Marxist or vice versa. Jesus was a Jew in the time of the Roman Empire. He wasn't there to overthrow Rome, as the Jews hoped the messiah would do, or to bring them the glories of international socialism, a concept that did not exist in the early A.D., I reckon. He was there simply to preach his message of love and die for our sins if we are to believe the gospels. Millions of other people die for Marx's sins.
Michael Moore is a cretin, no more no less. No I take that back, he is a fat, ugly cretin.
Thomas, yes I remember the rest of the parable, it's actually my favorite. But, I won't say I was warned, but I did get some friendly suggestions, that perhaps I was getting a bit too theological in some replies, so I try to reign myself in.
In my opinion, that parable perfectly justifies libertarianism. What's it to you what I do with my money?
Nothing. I have no moral right to demand anyone do anything, just because it makes me feel better.
HEAR HEAR! If I hear one more time that Jesus or Christianity in inconsistent with capitalism I'm going to puke. Helping the poor an downtrodden from your own pocket and because you feel that God is calling you to make a difference is WAAAAYY different than taking peoples money and redistributing it via governemnt. If liberals really cared about what Christ taught they would reach into their own pocket books instead of everyone but. So cram it Moore, high and hard.
When Moore delivers the movie to me for free, I'll consider watching
After all, if I pay then I am supporting the system he is denouncing (I love irony)
However, if he follows what he preaches then "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need". (That is from the book of Acts that Mikey misuses in his little video)
And that is your choice. My whole point was there is not enough personal responsibility. You keep your bank account in the black, and you will never see an oerdraft charge. I am by no means well off, but I manage my money and don't live beyond my means.
And that is your choice. My whole point was there is not enough personal responsibility. You keep your bank account in the black, and you will never see an oerdraft charge. I am by no means well off, but I manage my money and don't live beyond my means. BTW, I dont care how much a bank made in fees, its not their responsibility to cover my screw-ups.
And that is your choice. My whole point was there is not enough personal responsibility. You keep your bank account in the black, and you will never see an overdraft charge. I am by no means well off, but I manage my money and don't live beyond my means. BTW, I dont care how much a bank made in fees, its not their responsibility to cover my screw-ups.
ok now, Karl Marx, the grandfather of Marxism/socialism, was a Jew…so how can socialism= antisemitism or be evil…it was "invented" by a jew, probably for the jews, but like the Messiah, they rejected that too.
is there such a thing as a socialist that wont try to drag Jesus into their brood of vipers? Moore is no christian, he is a fat-ass manipulator and EVERYTHING that asswipe says or does should be tossed into the garbage can where it and he belongs
yeah, i agree…vey much like that fat slob, Rush & Glenn… STOP making these fat slobs richer & fatter! Think for yourselves!!!
yeah, i agree…very much like those other fat slobs, Rush & Glenn… STOP making these fat slobs richer & fatter! Think for yourselves!!!
He sounds like he's blaming the bank because he can't keep his stuff straight. I love these people who screw up, admit it but still blame it on the bank and their fees.
You make a great point. I remember when all this credit mess started last fall and people complained that THEY didn't know all the details of either their mortgage or credit card agreements, but it was the big, bad banks that pulled the wool over their eyes. Have we come this far as a nation where a significant portion of the population, under no circumstances, will accept responsibility for their own laziness in the contracts they sign? Seems so.
Wow, some people said the same thing when McCarthy kept trotting out Jews in the 50's. The shoe fits, sorry.
Christianty:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. (Exodus 20:17)
Socialism:
Why does my neighbor have a house, a wife, a manservant, and maidservant, an ox and an ass, and I don't? It's not fair! The state should take some of his stuff and give it to me. He probably stole it all from a poor person anyway!
If you think there was any doubt about Jewish influence on the economic melt down last year, please consider reading "ALL IS CLOUDED BY DE$IRE" http://bit.ly/4lFDGn
I'm the last one to cry racism, however, I've posted on here before that the movie is reminiscent of an early 1930's Nazi Propaganda film, in that he is falsely attributing characteristics to Capitalism for the sole purpose of advancing an agenda. Now replace the word Capitalist with Jew and that's what the Nazi's did.
It is scape-goating. If you've read Hayek's Road to Serfdom you'll know that the control mongers always need one. And i've said many times that Capitalists are unfairly taking the blame for Socialism.
If you watch the movie you'll see Moore elevate Obama to god-like savior status much like they did with Hitler. It's disturbing. Especially since Obama played a huge role in the crisis. But it wouldn't be propaganda if Moore told the whole story.
So, anti-Semitic? No. Propaganda? Yes.
Perhaps not a whole lot of research, but you have summarized the precursor to it quite well. Indeed, while we cannot give the church at that time (And I stress AT THAT TIME) any slack, it's the failing of the men leading the Church in that period, not a failing of Christianity.
Christ was Jewish wasn't he? At least on his mother's side.
Nicely put. As a Christian who has actually read the entire Bible, I am tired of those who pick and choose passages or stories from the Bible and twist them to suit their own purposes. The Bible, in its entirety, is laden with self responsibility and choice. Those are antithematic to socialism. Moreover, christianity in its true form embraces Jews and decries the denegration others. Moore is a manipulator of facts. He is a false "documentarian" .
Precisely.
This whole social justice (aka marxist socialism) that has infected jewish and christian religions is an affront to the teachings of the bible on EVERY level. In the old and new testament when God and Christ call for you to help the poor, it's a PERSONAL call, not a call for you to steal money and give it to the poor.
1) Most importantly though, the doctrine of social justice violates the tenth and third commandments. Marxism (aka redistributing wealth) is only accepted as much as it is among leftist christians and jews, because they've been sold covetousness. There are haves and have nots, and it's not fair that the have nots are doing without, (whatever the democrat politician is trying to invoke this electoral cycle), therefore we have to redistribute it (AKA RATION IT) to make it fair.
I heard a democrat that made this point clearly, and had he used the term "covet" I think it would've turned more christians off;
"There are some people who have to much access to healthcare, and there are some people that have too little access to healthcare, all we want to do is _equalize_ the situation."
2) Related to this is the violation of the third commandment, by stating you are doing this "moral" act in God's name. It's better that if you HAVE to, you do it in your own name. I'm pretty sure God isn't going to take kindly to having money stolen in his name, even if you do think you are helping the poor and downtrodden.
Which leads me to
3) None of these marxist redistribution techniques help ANYONE. The poor are not better off afterwards, and the well to do, (AKA the rest of us working stiffs) are always WORSE off. They are seriously talking about imposing a VAT tax now. This would destroy the hard working middle class in our country.
Michael Moore is motivated more by Karl Marx than Jesus Christ. Jesus told us that we should look out for the least of these. I don't recall a commandment that we had to do it with socialism and government programs, though. If Moore is claiming thats the case, then he's not making a Christian argument, he's making a heretical one. And despite what he may think of himself, he's not a prophet here to lead us out of the wilderness. If anything, he's a deceiver.
Our country is becoming a nation of irresponsible crybabies.A few days ago my liberal Bro-in-law told me how his nephew got "screwed" by the bank. He (25 years old, wife and 2 kids) bought a $500k house 4 years ago on an ARM. The rate adjusted and his payments went from $2500.00 per month to just under 5k. They scould not afford it on his $100k per year salary. They stopped paying altogethor. It took 18 months for the bank to foreclose and evict them. Meanwhile, they saved the $2500.00 month payments they SHOULD have been paying, got out of the house, got his mom to purchase a house for them using the $45k they saved by not making payment and now live in a $300,000 home. AND THEY GOT "SCREWED"?! I couldn't believe my Bro-in-law was using this as an example of the EVIL BANK! He stated that his nephew was not fully apprised of the potential, and felt he was "taken advantage of." We are being told is that if you are young, poor, etc., then you are STUPID, because ANYONE who signs a contract without doing due diligence in ascertaining what it is you are signing and the ramifications of it, is just that. Stupid.
These morons that overbought with an ARM come back to complain. I don't know if your brother is a moron, but lots of people bought houses they normally couldn't afford in a lifetime with ARM's. Then went on a spending spree to get a nice, expensive SUV, boat, plasma's, etc., knowing damn well the ARM was going to adjust in 5 to 7 years. Neglected to change it to a fixed, then complain that it was the bank's fault because they were so busy living high on the hog, that they forgot to convert the loan. NO SYMPATHY!!!! But of course, with liberals, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault that they were irresponsible.
These morons that overbought with an ARM come back to complain. I don't know if your brother is a moron, but lots of people bought houses they normally couldn't afford in a lifetime with ARM's. Then went on a spending spree to get a nice, expensive SUV, boat, plasma's, etc., knowing damn well the ARM was going to adjust in 5 to 7 years. Neglected to change it to a fixed, then complain that it was the bank's fault because they were so busy living high on the hog, that they forgot to convert the loan. NO SYMPATHY!!!! But of course, with liberals, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault that they were irresponsible. If I could give you 2 thumbs up for a great example, I would.
By the way David, as you stated Bankers are "anti-people" who in the " not to distant past would have been thrown in jail for usury" . Remember, in the not too distant past, people who did not pay their bills went to Debtors Prisons. To blame the banking industry for this whole mess is just too simplistic. It is a natural outcropping of an entitlement mentality that is creeping to the core of our society. Nobody wants to pay for basic services and needs anymore. Someone else has to. The problem is there is not enough "someone elses" to do it.
Anti Semite, Anti semite, Anti Semite. Seems you can't even open your mouth now-a-days without somebody trying to crowbar whatever statement you make into the Anti semite pile. Give us a break. I'm an Atheist and it seems to me I'm hearing more about Anti Semite than the christian crying because they can't prey in school. Give us all a break and shove your myths where the sun don't shine.
What "obvious statement"? would saying "the majority of the people behind this BS Banking/Real Estate bubble really WERE JEWISH" make you anti-Semitic? Obviously, because you felt the need to mention their ethnicity when it had nothing to with it.
And what's the proof of the validity of that statement? Timothy Geithner and Henry Paulson weren't Jewish, and they came from Goldman Sachs. No one named "Goldman" or "Sachs" has been running that company for a long, long time now.
Having thankfully never seen a Michael movie I believe I can still come to a conclusion, when I hear that he has a bunch of bad guys in the movie with Jewish names, that he is anti-semetic. I say that if something looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk, then it is a skunk. I am a Christian saying that Michael Moore is anti-semite RACIST.
Right on, Tom!!
I'm sure that some bankers act greedily and selfishly, but if you are giving them all Jewish names, then you are a stinking RACIST, says I, a Christian.
I am so sick of this anti-Jewish stuff. GO ISRAEL – GOD BLESS YOU AND DEFEND YOU FROM YOUR ENEMIES. I pray that the craven anti-semites will look at a map of teeny Israel some time and will check out the vast, gigantic arab nations surrounding it, all with the determination to destroy Israel. WHY – because the Jews do not behead people, or cut off their hands, or kill their daughters if some fellow creatures rape them, while having no problem with the perpetrators.
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