James Cameron’s ‘Avatar’ Slams America
by Big Hollywood
From The Hollywood Reporter’s interview with “Avatar” Director James Cameron at San Diego Comic-Con 2009:
THR: You’ve mentioned this ["Avatar"] is a parable.
Cameron: Really what this film ultimately does is hold a mirror to our own blighted history, where we have a culturally advanced civilization supplanting more “primitive” civilizations. Some of these civilizations and cultures have a lot more wisdom than we’ve shown. We just have bigger guns. We have ships that can cross oceans, we have horses and armor. And this country we’re in now was taken from its indigenous owners. And it’s kind of owning up to our own human history.
From earlier in the interview:
Cameron: We use the term Aliens twice. Once in (alien language) Na’vi, “Faketuan,” and once spoken in English towards the end of the film. Both times, they are talking about us.
Cameron on “Avatar”:
Cameron: I like this film. It’s the shit.
Read the entire interview here.
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FLASHBACK: John Nolte’s “Dances with ‘Avatar’“:
According to Cameron, the story tension centers on a conflict between Earth’s “Military Industrial Complex” and the Na’vi, who are peaceful, live happily in the forest “when humans are not trampling their planet,” and ultimately “prove to be wiser than we are.” When provoked, though, they are “ferocious warriors.”
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This sounds like it will suck.
I love the use of "we" in this interview. When guys like Cameron use "we" they are most definitely NOT referring to themselves. When he says "we" he means "All you racist, retrograde, grasping, cultural imperialists out there who don't possess the beneficent enlightement of good people like me". His use of the term is ironic and intended to call attention to how far he has travelled in his "life journey" and how far he is above virtually everyone who lived before him. He conveniently forgets that all of the technical marvels that he uses in his "craft" are the product of our "blighted history." What an ass.
Our own BLIGHTED history……and Al Gore invented it!
I've never bought into the hype about it. But, then . . . I hated Titanic.
Is anyone the least bit surprised?
Ha! That's because you are a "Na’vi, “Faketuan,” Jed. :{)
I admire some of Cameron's past work, but every time he opens his mouth I cringe. At this point, if I see any of his films, I feel I'll be giving tacit approval to his wacked-out worldview. So I won't be seeing Avatar.
Plus, the guy has a scummy personal life. Can't keep it in his pants.
Some of these civilizations and cultures have a lot more wisdom than we’ve shown. We just have bigger guns. We have ships that can cross oceans, we have horses and armor.
We also invented antibiotics and myriad other medicines that stave off death and disease both at home and abroad, in those primitive utopias Cameron glibly references; we can feed the world we produce so much excess food (and we have the tech to do so in places like Africa if only people like Cameron would get out of the way and let them use it); we can send our forces anywhere in the world to deliver more humanitarian aid than any time in the history of the world; and the list goes on and on and on and on. However, in Cameron's world, it'd be better if we lived in mud huts, were preyed upon by disease ridden insects and animals, and lived with the constant threat of wondering where our next meal is coming from and whether we'll live to see another day cause, you know, those 'primitives' clearly know what's better for all of us. (Somehow I don't think a mega-millionaire like Cameron would necessarily want to live like the primitives do, however.)
Even more infuriating than tripe like this, he actually condescends to undeveloped peoples who he presumes just love to live in squalor, sickness and disease because, somehow, that's much better than running water, access to ample food and an infant mortality rate that is virtually non-existent. In a word, Cameron (and other flat-earthers like him) are a$$holes.
Gee, our own blighted history has afforded you, Mr. Cameron, a life of luxury few of us will ever know. I just love how these Hollywood people with money to burn, earned off of that evil capitalism USA thingy they all hate so much…just love throwing our country under the bus. Buh-bye Mr. Cameron. You are another off my list.
I hated "Titanic" too. Great special effects with absolutely the most plonking and lugubrious script (and characterizations) I have ever seen. I was also appalled at how Cameron treated the British officers and crew, painting them as inept and cowardly. Of course they were all conveniently dead and a geek like Cameron could do what he wanted with them.
Hey James, when I was watching Titanic, I kept thinking, "Sink already!" Yes, you're quite the film maker. Well, Terminator and Aliens was good, but that was a long time ago.
Enough of the white liberal guilt please. It is nauseating. Oh, it seems like the dialogue on this one will be as bad as Titanic.
Okay back up everybody! A story about human contact with an alien people wherein the humans have the superior technology? You don't often see sci-fi movies present this meeting in this way. Considering how this kind of thing has gone in the past, how would you write it? I'm not doing an Obama and apologizing or anything for events 500 years in the past but the facts are the facts. Meeting advanced civilizations tends to not work out so well for the natives or at very least for their way of life. Can anyone really argue differently? Anyway, I'm looking forward to this one.
I was afraid of this. Nolte's article last month was hinting at it and, even though I'm going to see this film regardless, I can't help but think, "Oh no." Believe me, I hope the film is good. No one likes a preachy movie regardless of what side it's preaching for but, well, I have a bad feeling about this. All the coolest technology in the world on a story we've seen a million times before.
On the bright side, maybe we'll get special editions of The Abyss and True Lies on Blu-Ray to coincide with Avatar's release.
"Some of these civilizations and cultures have a lot more wisdom than we’ve shown."
Yes very wise. They knew exactly when to sacrifice human hearts to the sun gods in order to ensure the harvest.
omg this sounds horrible.. Ferngully 5: Our Friends in the Rainforest
I agree. I'm amazed out how lefties embrace the concept of the "noble savage." There's nothing noble about savagery. Humanity advances only through civilization.
Sounds like a knock off of "The Word for World is Forrest" by Leigh Bracket.
That is the same-old leftist garbage — I am so sick of it. It amazes me how much leftists believe this stuff.
Would it be so hard to make stories about how the United States has advanced civilization more than any other country in history. And how about countries like Israel and South Korea that have enjoyed freedom and prosperity because they are U.S. allies?
Does anybody watch a James Cameron movie for the wisdom and social commentary? He's just so ham-handed with that stuff. His villains practically twirl their mustaches after strapping damsels to railroad tracks.
Actually, now that I think about it I'll bet a lot of the Cameron world-view seeped into the culture at large thanks to the success of things like Titanic. (grumbles) Dagnabbit…
The cycle of civilizations is not unique to the United States, other cultures in other parts of the world have supplanted others, the Ainu in Japan were supplanted, the Neanderthal in Europe by modern man, I could go, it is nothing to brood about, it happens and we must move forward and not keep kicking ourselves for it or we will get nowhere.
Or cut off girls' clitorises, or kill their female relatives who've been raped because it brought shame on the family, or cut off hostages' heads with a dull knife, or blow themselves up in crowded shopping areas, etc.
When are we gonna see the film lambasting THAT civilization and culture? Um, never by the likes of James "the greatest evil is our civilization and its incandescent bulbs (while I light my 6 mansions), even though one particular civilization CUTS OFF THEIR GIRLS' CLITORISES AND KILLS ITS WOMEN WHO ARE RAPED" Cameron. But, thank God Cameron is clear-headed enough to spend over $200 million dollars telling a story where WE'RE the bad guys.
Won't spend a dime on this picture.
Cameron is just another self-indulging idiot who believes that the ability to create blockbuster movies somehow means that he has 'wisdom' to impart on the rest of us. And he speaks of blighted history even as he himself blights it…
Something else to cross off the must see list………I honestly believe Hollywood is a place where we store our stupid people………………… Why can't these people just shut up and dance?
Yes, it sounds sucky.
We will see, though. We'll find out if Cameron made the movie he thought he made.
I know that sounds silly but really… it happens.
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I thought I was alone on the planet with that thought! A tragic loss of life turned into a sappy love story. What's next for Cameron? Maybe "Katrina the musical"………………
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This plot sounds too familiar… Isn't there a CGI animated feature coming out with exactly this premise?
America Racist China Good!
New Post on the Blog about the riots in China that we only know about through Twitter.
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Ah-ha! I knew it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyRYrqa_4g
Battle for Terra. Will James Cameron look like a fool for ripping off another plot?
Not surprising. In Terminator 2, Camoron blamed us for starting a nuclear war. I've always despised that film and him. Alien 2 also contained anti-capitalist propaganda. I have no interest in seeing films created by Leftists. It's always some simple minded drivel that they think is profound. It's never profound. Always pathetic.
I'm to right of Attila, but still wouldn't deny somebody had to lose for us "Europeans" to gain on this continent. I'm not condemning America for it. It is what it is. It's the story of humankind, so I don't feel we are particularly blameworthey. But the least we could do is acknowledge it.
Cameron did a Great job, if he intended to disinterest and pre-bore the hell out of people.
Wifey and I love True Lies. Great flick, great action, great humor, and of course, the little black dress. The movie didn't take itself too seriously, and thus was great entertainment. Tom Arnold was a hoot.
In contrast, there is The Abyss. Great actors and seriously bitchin' action sequences, but Cameron was trying a bit too hard with the story and got bogged down. Lame ending.
Well, he _is_ a Canadian.
THe so called King of the World. What a loser. Sorry Jim but the moment you stood up at the Oscars shaking your fists like mouse at an eagle about to swoop in on it and screetched I am the king of the world you lost me pard. Happens. Hubris and arrogance of the type displayed on this poor excuse of a man (ask his former wives) is just not gonna get me anywhere near the garbage he makes.
Unlike Sanford, Ensign, etc. (and John Edwards, yes I know, he's just as bad).
Seeing as how well your Transformers 2/Megan Fox boycott went, this should gross a zillion dollars.
I just thought he missed a really great opportunity for creepiness by having one of the characters be reading "Futility," a novel published 14 years earlier, featuring a passenger liner called the Titan, with very similar dimensions, which sinks after striking an iceberg.
Cultures are not living beings. Just because all people have equal value as human beings it does not follow that all cultures have equal value. Cultures serve people. Those that allow people to thrive and reach their potential are therefore superior to those which do not. It's got nothing to do with your preference in music, food, literature or dress. It has everything to do with allowing you and your family to live long, happy, healthy lives in whatever manner you choose.
I will go see this film. First off has a massive film buff and I hear the effects are amazing. This my only reason why. Second If I would not go and watch a flick because of the what the "director" says. I don't think or I would have to boycott almost all of Hollywood's movies these days. Even the fact that this is coming from a unfeathered thespian capitalist does not bother me. He should be more careful about opening his mouth about this. Hey James give a different referenced instead of America ok. From what I can tell every single nation on this planet has been took over from the so called primitives. If you want to sell more tickets because lord knows you love and I love money. Just shut the fuck up and directed. Thanks
Native Primitive American.
Part Cherokee that's me.
Christopher Columbus liberated the continent from the Stone Age.
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one way to fix the bloated fool: stay home and skip this.
YOU ANTI-AMERICAN COMMUNIST. HOW DARE YOU. YOU ARE AN OBAMANATION.
I agree with Cameron that our civilization lacks wisdom. In a wiser one, nobody would be interviewing Cameron or be interested in his deep thoughts.
So, Cameron loves primitive civilizations? In a simpler, wiser one, he wouldn't be making a zillion bucks for playing with cameras, computers and high tech toys.. He'd be grubbing for roots and berries.
Ugh. OK. I saw this movie for work and it was absolutely terrible; it made me not want to be a liberal. I can almost guarantee Cameron's movie will at least be entertaining, which cannot be said of Battle For Terra in any way. Seriously. Cameron's undeniably a down-with-nukes, up-with-feminists kinda guy (which obviously doesn't bother me), but Battle For Terra is almost *objectively* bad.
Yes! That was the main thing. To take real historic figures and have them taking bribes and committing suicide was just beyond the pale. Lightoller was a hero of the first order. Then there was the fact that the wealthy were uniformly presented in a terrible light–these characters were "drawn with Marxist fervor" according to the admiring Dallas Observer–and even tragic heroes like the Strausses were given short shrift.
Besides, come on. A Night To Remember exists as a book and a film. You aren't going to be able to top that, especially by grafting an idiotic love story on top of it. I mean, come on. Isn't there enough inherent drama without a running gun battle? And, when he was handcuffed to the pipe and dropped the keys to build some tension. Come on! This is the Titanic! Isn't that story enough?
I think Spike Lee's got that one covered. ;-D
Ha ha. That's funny. All caps? Do they let you have sharp things there? If so cut it out, you're killing me! ROTFL
Cameron has always talked about the decay of humanity ever since 'The Terminator', watching every movie afterward, you see and feel his hatred grow and grow. Notice that every movie he made centers around how technology fails or destroys humans. There's never a good thing about all those gizmos that surround us because they always find a way to betray or fail us in the end.
The beginnings of his descent into oblivion started far back when he declared that he was.. "king of the world!…." and he topped that off finally by figuratively Jumping the Shark with his diatribe about discovering the bones of Jesus Christ!
Cameron is a Canadian. Nuf said.
Wait, didn't James Cameron make the movie "Aliens?"
Oh wait, he killed off the military people in that movie too.
Sounds like Cameron's lost in his newfound hate in America. Such antipathy from a man who's profited from the very people he condemns is not surprising for deranged Leftists. Bite the hand that feed ya…
Is that all you have? Do you trolls ever have anything substantive to say? Or do you agree with James Cameron?
And I have only two more words: Bill Clinton.
Or cut off girls' clitorises, or kill their female relatives who've been raped because it brought shame on the family, or cut off hostages' heads with a dull knife, or blow themselves up in crowded shopping areas, etc.
I think the movie you're looking for is The Stoning of Soraya M.
Oh, you mean Battle for Terra.
Props, Ben, for mentioning Edwards in your anti conservative mini-rant.
Star Trek introduced the concept of the Prime Directive to the general public over forty years ago. Print SF had the concept a lot longer. It's been done, to death. The dumb thing about a movie like Avatar is it apparently takes place in a universe where Star Trek was never broadcast.
People like Cameron neglect to note that there was plenty of conflict on this continent before anyone from Europe started grabbing real estate. Many people alive today are only here because the Europeans conflict with predator tribes gave relief to their regular victims.
Primitive people who are really more advanced than us…….hmmmm…..didn't he still that from the StarGate tv series?
@Marie
Yeah, Clinton's hypocrisy was among the top three reasons why I left the Democrats and became an independent.
That's funny……………..The "Demented Dwarf" strike again……….
Yeah, that's the box office flop.
@Urban B
Avatar also sounds like it's "borrowing" the plot of the comic book, Ekos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekos_(comics)
So, Cameron is not really covering new ground with the Avatar film.
James Cameron proving that the Noble Savage stereotype isn't dead. Do they get to sing Yub Nub, at the end like the Ewoks?
Like many of my friends, I grew up enjoying Aliens. Now that I'm conservative and Christian, I find the deep anti-military vein more disturbing that the acid-blooded monsters.
This is even more so after I read "Starship Troopers," a more conservative/pro-military predecessor to Aliens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers
Thank you. Sorry, I forgot to mention Bill Clinton in my initial post. I was just trying to keep current. I could've also mentioned JFK, but that's definitely ancient history.
Marie, you can call me a troll all you want, but I actually am leaning more rightward these days. I just sometimes have to comment on some of the inane remarks on here. (Believe me I think the same of the comments on HuffPo.)
Speaking of Star Trek, has anyone noticed that Enterprise captain, especially Kirk, BROKE the Prime Directive (PD) more than obeyed it.
I guess showing compassion for the truly suffering and oppressed trumps being politically correct. See the Obama administration's response to the Iranian crackdown on why the Kirk view of PD (i.e., skip it)works best.
James Cameron has been married 5 times……. must be a hard man to live with
Linda Hamilton made $50 million in the divorce. She said he had a big ego and "He was always a jerk."
From IMDB
Lost a plagiarism lawsuit brought by Harlan Ellison involving the movie The Terminator (1984). Newer prints of the film acknowledge Ellison.
He has made some good films but geez….. another wealthy wealthy celebrity bashing the greatest country on Earth. I hope his films tank from now on.
Heck, Star Trek takes place in a universe where Star Trek was never broadcast! Anyway, I didn't say it hadn't been done, just that usually, like in The Day the Earth Stood Still, Independence Day or War of Worlds etc. etc. advanced Alien races come and try to kill us. We're fine with that concept, it seems. So, I'm interested in the film. I'm a sucker for sci-fi. This one looks good even if it doesn't agree with your politics or mine. Heck, I sat through W. So, sue me!
Unless this sanctimonious twit is prepared to donate every stinking penny, every. one. of his obviously ill-gotten movie booty to the indigenous people, then he needs to STFU.
actually, this sounds like dear leader delivering an axelrod speech. did cameron borrow totus?
Cameron was hyping this movie as something revolutionary in filmmaking. The people that saw the 25 minute presentation yesterday at Comic Con have said Avatar isn't bringing anything new to filmmaking. After seeing photos of some of the props and toys, I'm thinking the same thing.
HERE'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS ALOT MORE INTERESTING THAN AVATAR, TRON LEGACY WHICH COMES OUT NEXT YEAR: http://www.flynnlives.com/media/video/0xendgame.a...
They showed this last year at the San Diego Comic Con. This year, they showed the same footage but in 3D. Disney just released it online.
Please. If he did that, it wouldn't even get to those indigenous people. The corrupt dictator du jour will just steal it all.
i know the corrupt dictator du jour is Obama, but cameron could support some apache, sioux, navajo or eskimo families, cleanse his white guilt, and leave us out of his personal purification
Cameron slams US? Surprise, surprise.
Remember this is the same guy who thinks he found the tomb of Jesus and Jesus' son Judah and their bones, thereby proving Christianity is a sham. He's a talented filmmaker but he seems to have trouble separating fantasy from reality. In other words, the perfect movie dude for ObamaLand.
Actually… I kinda liked Titanic. Well, at least the few seconds where that hottie was posing for Leo-the-Artist. The other 6 hours and 28 minutes were a bit dry.
Excellent.
Yessssss.
I'd like to see a movie about that.
The problem with that premise is that we now live in a social existence where the concept of just raping and pillaging a planet to needlessly destroy it out from under a less advanced civilization rings as wrong to most of us, and yet, they'll make thi smovie and expect us to suspend our disbelief enough to buy it a something we would culturally do.
While I can well believe that we would move to make use of natural resources the natives weren't using, I can't believe that we would callously do so over their destroyed society as we've all been taught over and over that we ruthlessly did in the past. Of course, even if we were giving them fair trade, there would no doubt be some who would still call it exploitation.
Yeah, the other cultures that bury their woman alive and strap bombs to themselves before walking into coffee shops…. or kill filmmakers because they disagreed with their movies message… then no American filmmaker says a damn thing about it….
I liked T2.
The Aliens Universe as a whole is anti-capitalist in the sense that it's the true capitalist to fascist model honestly, so Cameron's depiction in Aliens is accurate to the canon. The idea is that the mega-corporations in the future become so big and so powerful that they pretty much run everything behind the scenes which is what the left thinks they do now, and there are some that can pull some hefty strings today (GE for one and Haliburton would be another). And the consumer has been reduced to a true slave in the system of the Alien 'verse.
It's quite a dystopian universe for the Alien stories and comics to be set in. I happen to like it myself even though I'm a conservative.
So in this movie humanity has the technology to send organic proxies to another solar system hundreds if not thousands of light years away, transmit our minds that far into these proxies, mine for resources, then send those resources hundreds or thousands of light years back to earth?
Ummm… sure. I can't see ANY kind of more efficient and useful application of all that technology.
By that kind of logic, then "Titanic" would have been about the so-called folly of big corporations when they try to defy nature by building a ship with two bottoms.
Sometimes you just have to ignore what the artist says and just interpret the art he created by your own beliefs.
"Cameron: Really what this film ultimately does is hold a mirror to our own blighted history, where we have a culturally advanced civilization supplanting more “primitive” civilizations"
I've often wondered while watching National Geographic type documentaries on indigenous cultures, you know, the kind that still shoot poison darts at monkeys for their evening meal, what they would do to the documentarians if they found out about grocery stores, running water, toilets, medicines to prevent death from usually deadly snake bites, mosquito repellent, bubble baths, soap, ice cream, air conditioning, heat. Would they wonder why they were never told about the wonders of advancement? Or would they wonder why certain documentarians believed it better to keep them in their primitive state because, well, no one wants to see a farmer plowing his field on his tractor when they can watch an indigenous man clothed only in piece of wood covering his ,um, wood plowing a small patch of earth with a large stick. Do you think they'd be a little pissed?
How? How is this premise "slamming" America? There is a difference between dissent and slander, you know. As for all these fools saying it sound sucky, obviously you haven't been paying attention to the extraordinary advances in cinema that this film is promising. That's like saying 2001 sounds sucky because it deals with the savagery of man throughout the ages. Ugh! How unAmerican!
No, it's the unequivocal condemning this journey as a bad thing. . .this civilization that enables smarmy jackasses like Cameron to make his millions. . .isn't just a slam on America, but a slam on Western Civilization. I don't know if you understand this, but "biting the hand that feeds" is one of those things that makes the "rest of us" look at Hollywood and wonder what planet they're on.
*MissQuinn*
Starring Sean Penn, I presume.
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Um, I was thinking more South America or Africa, since those are the go-to continents for "noble savage" fantasies.
It's like when I say to my husband, "We really ought to clear out the garage," he asks me, "Is that WE with a capital Y?!" Cameron's WE is with a capital T, for THEM.
And yes, he should only use Amerindian technology to make his movie.
Excellent comment.
There are times when reading political forums feels like being stuck inside the nerve-center of a fundamentally un-self-conscious one-track-mind. This is one of those times
What's great is that (unless I'm blind) neither Cameron nor the interviewer mention America (or even "The West") ONCE and don't even specify what they mean by primitive/native cultures… but the first assumption here is "HE'S TALKING ABOUT AMERICA!!!" It's like the people who look at dark-skinned movie monsters, immediately assume it's "supposed to be a Black guy!" and then accuse the character-designer of being a racist.
The film's story is supposedly about a colonist/soldier who "goes native;" which sounds a lot more analogous to the British colonial experience than America – especially considering that pretty much all colonial/post-colonial "going native" adventure stories (including Dances With Wolves) pretty much descend from Fletcher Christian, yes?
Absolutely. A Night to Remember is wonderful.
I hated Titanic. The depiction of the era was totally anachronistic, the feminist plot absurd, the babyboy 'hero' unappealing, ….I could go on and on.
"Really what this film ultimately does is hold a mirror to our own blighted history, where we have a culturally advanced civilization supplanting more “primitive” civilizations."
OMG, like I didn't learn that every year in history class. This movie sounds like a shinier but dreadfully boring recap.
I'm sure it's released as wide as AVATAR is going to be. Really, how many people are going to see Soraya M. Also, how many movies lambasting barbaric radical Islamic culture vs. lambasting the US?
How exactly is this movie "examining how far we've come as a civilization and the price we've paid for it ?"
"'Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. . . .'"
"Can you walk through that valley a little faster?"
Ugly, unnecessary and, yes, anachronistic. Also, I only saw the film once, but didn't Leo or somebody make fun of the band? "Great. Music to drown by." A true story–"the band played on"–that is a symbol of a more noble time, and a beloved part of the story for decades, and it's to be mocked by Cameron.
HATE this film. To be nice, I do like Terminator, T2 and Aliens.
I was afraid of this. Nolte's article last month was hinting at it and, even though I'm going to see this film anyway, I can't help but think, "Oh no." Believe me, I hope the film is good. No one likes a preachy movie regardless of what side it's preaching for but, well, let's just say I have a bad feeling about this. All the coolest filmmaking technology in the world on a story we've seen a million times before.
On the bright side, with Cameron done working on the film, maybe we'll get special editions of The Abyss and True Lies on Blu-Ray.
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