Steven Crowder Talks Socialized Obamacare With Neil Cavuto

I watched the full video last night and I was, in a word, APPALLED! I think that every scatter-brained celebrity/politician/progressive suck-up who keeps trying to push this crap on our country should be forced to locate to Canada and/or the UK an have some medical condition forced upon them. Let's see how they like it then. Shameful. Thanks for the vid Steven.

Great stuff. Take that, Michael Moore. I developed the family PAD (which used to be called Peripheral Vascular Disease, but you try telling your friends you have PVD). I waited far too long to have a doctor check it out, even though I could have. My family doctor immediately (and I mean within the next twenty minutes) sent me to the cardio-vascular surgeon, who diagnosed, set me up for the full battery of tests, and discovered that my pain was justified–the arteries were so clogged that surgery was necessary. The could barely get the dye through the blockages. They got me all set up, and I chickened out twice. One Friday night the surgeon called me at work, and informed me that I had to be at the hospital at 6 AM the following Monday for the surgery. I just said OK, and didn't have time to consider that I had just been forced into doing something I knew needed to be done. One aorto-bifemoral bypass later, I walk like a young man again, and that surgery was six years ago. That doesn't sound at all like Canadian medicine or Obamacare at all, does it? Steven: Thanks for reminding me of what I missed.

As an internist I fear for the public. This takeover plan by the government will not make me more efficient nor a better doctor. If our clinic gets busier then quality will suffer as will my current patients. Years ago I worked in an oupatient VA clinic and said at the time that the only way a conscientious doctor could be happy in the VA would be if I had a lobotomy. I couldn't get the ancillary studies I knew were necessary but I caught the brunt of the blame for the inefficiencies. There were beaurocrats that didn;t give a rip except to clock out. I forsee this model if this sham gets put into place but without the insulation from liability. Terrible. I will look at other options depending on the final plan and I don't think I am alone.

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I have died three times waiting for Canadian medical care. I have to agree with someone that this change to obamba-care is going to do alot for people like me. You know, Zombies.

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As a healthcare worker, I fear the reaction from the mindless robots who I work with when they realize everything isn't what they were told during the campaign when it came to "national healthcare".

From what I can tell, private insurance is getting trashed with this plan and my company makes a majority of its money from insurance payments from the likes of Aetna, United Healthcare and Anthem. I'm pretty sure that if this comes to fruition, the payments from the public plan will overtake the private ones and then you say good bye to quite a few jobs.

I dated a girl from Vancouver, single mother, who loved coming over the border for her health care. She hated the care (if you loosely want to call it that) up there and she's one of those that Obama the Great says would benefit the most from the upcoming, mandated healthcare. The cattle analogy was spot on.

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Steven, to cool buddy you did well, Cavuto is a fair guy. You never have enough time to get deep into your points with a five minute segment, good for you Steven, Big Hollywood and America. He had Zo on just before the 4th.

Lawhawk do remember Dustin Hoffman’s Indian father in “Little Big Man.” For all us older people that will be our health care, we’ll just find a nice hill and say, “I think it’s a good day to die.”

I wonder when enough is going to be enough. My mother is in her late 70's, and this new "healthcare" is going to do her in if it passes- along with thousands of other seniors. Are we going to sheepishly take it like everything else? Or are we going to scream and yell at our Congressmen to do something now? Or, after the fact? Have Americans become so apathetic…well, we know the answer to that.

We have become way too laid back politically as a society. They tax us more- okay. Regulate us more- no problem! Cap and tax us some more- great! I just wonder when the sleeping giant is going to awaken and do something about all this madness. We are truly being destroyed from within.

I know most everyone here is aware of this- just had to vent some frustration.

Have your Aunt go down to the local "Free" clinic. See how long it takes her to get help. That should open her eyes, plus have her sit and watch Steve Crowder's full expose.

She is a professional 'victim'. Everything is someone elses fault. It's really hard to talk to her. She is a dream voter for Obama.

As a Canadian, I can say that Crowder's findings on Canadian healthcare are much closer to the truth than Michael Moore's. Wait times are immensly long and I avoid going whenever possible as waiting in the emergency room eats up a whole day (and sometimes the night). Of course, I don't know if I like American healthcare better (haven't tried it and can't assess it in comparison), but everything in this video was true (with the exception of the 'family doctor' thing – I've never heard of it taking that long before).

I am very glad to see that Steven's piece is getting the attention that it deserves and hope that the word gets out there more. For the life of me, I don't understand why good common sense is not prevailing with many of my fellow Americans. It is simple supply & demand. If something is "free" there will be more demand. People will flood the doctors' offices just because they can. I have an aunt who is a hypocondriac (sp?). When she was on a particular insurance plan (with a $10 co-pay per doctor's visit), she LIVED at the doctor's office. She was there so often that she was on the doctor's Christmas card list. When her company changed plans (and her co-payment went up), she learned to take care of the hangnail at home. Keep up the good work, Steven!

RADICAL THREE STEP IDEA:

1) Add a dash of royalty-free music and about nine minutes worth of "Contact Your Representative and Say 'No' to this Un-American $1 Trillion Healthcare Bill" title cards to Steven Crowder's 21 minute video exposé
2) Sell the new 30 minute long video as a late-night/early-morning infomercial on local cable TV providers in the top five markets + 10 of the Tier 2 markets
3) Watch as the Ghost of Billy Mays becomes the Obi-Wan to Crowder's Luke Skywalker

YouTube and PJTV are great, but they just don't have the reach (yet) of a strategically-purchased infomercial spot in local cable TV markets.

I have an uncle like that, you can't get him to think past FDR was a GOD, anymore than to stop blamin each and every single problem from cancer to a rainy day on those G–dammed republicans. It's like he was born normal, then at some point had his frontal lobes removed mid sentence, total bigot. He worked for the CCC, the Army Air Corp, and then a state job, union, driving a truck for paving crews., Dropped asphalt, not exactly a high brain power job, but listen to him complain when his pension checks are a day late.

One day and you'd think he was the premiere brain surgeon that was disrespected by the unwashed.

Pointed out once, that um, postal workers are government union employees too,…

he did not like that being pointed out at all. For many of the spoiled by the government, it's always them, and NOBODY else matters.

I have alot of experience with workers comp, and now medicaid. Spine fractured twice, 91 and 04, the second time in thoracic and lumbar. Degenerative disc disease, 8 corrupted discs, one surgery to reconstruct my cervical spine after bone spurs from osteoarthritis started pinching the spinal cord, stenosis in four points, myopathy. I know a widdle bit about pain, and long waits.

The same clowns running health care that ran workers comp, or medicaid?

I went three months without the morphine prescribed because it wasn't affordable out of pocket. and night after night after night with pain, having the sensation of burning up and being freezing cold all at once. Sharp stabbing pain, like an icepick rammed in hard. pain bouncing between 8 and 9 for weeks..

more of that?

The thought makes me want to throw up. I'm not a delicate flower, but please, God please, nothing like that again. No private company ever abused me like they did, I'd rather be flogged.

sorry bout all the typo's, but I'm just a tad upset here. Typing too fast,.

sorry, too much, and no ones fault here, .

sorry.

It's, I've always been a proud man, and they made me react to my condition like a kicked dog, and they shouldn't have that kind of power over many of us.

I was in a car accident yesterday (I'm okay). The EMTs suggested my mom, who was a bit shaken up, go to the ER just to get checked out. Since I was there, and I felt some discomfort, I decided to go ahead and get checked out, too. The accident was at about 5, and I was out of the ER by around 9 – and this was after waiting around at the scene to get the registration info back from the police, after my dad went to have our license plate refastened to the bumper, and after chilling with my mom/having dinner in the ER. I wasn't in a bad way, so I was clearly not a priorty, and I expected to wait around while the doctors tended to more serious cases. I heard PAs and nurses talking about how it had been crazy in the ER all day, but I was in and out in a few hours. My mom was falling asleep, and I said, "Hey, at least we're not in Canada." I think we'd still be there.

Good to hear you're okay.

sywyn… I"ll say that if I read the bill right… You're one of the "high risk/low reward" people that are going to be getting screwed if this bill gets past the Senate.

Ask your aunt then, why the Congress-critters refused to add the amendment that said that Congress would be under the same bill as the rest of us.. they're not subject to the laws they pass on the rest of us.

I get that feeling all the time on Fox. They get excellent guests, then don't give them but a minute or two. Not being in television, I don't know if this has to do with the boredom quality — the leave them hungry for more mentality — but most of the time when they cut away, they cut away to a commercial. I'd be interested to know if that's the case, that they've sold so much commercial air time that they give short shrift to viewing time.

From what I understand, and this from a lecture by a Canadian doctor, the government budgets x number of dollars for medical care/treatment in the fiscal year. When the money runs out, other than frank emergencies — and what you had would not have been considered a frank emergency — the doctors and office staff "go on vacation", i.e. close their offices because there is no money to pay them; hospitals go to emergency only basis, furloughing some of the staff, and those, like LawHawkSF above, who have non life threatening (though certainly limb threatening) situations, wait until the next fiscal year starts. Thus the system starts with a backlog.

Has anyone else read the bill? From what I understand on Page 16 (I think it's 16) has language that suggests private insurance companies will not be allowed to enroll NEW members. Thus, Obama is right in that you will not lose your private insurance, but if you don't already have it, you won't be able to get it. LawHawkSF, perhaps you can enlighten us on this.

Growltiger: I have been reading the summaries, so I'm guessing you have a lot more in-depth knowledge of it than I do. But what you are suggesting appears to be the case in regard to the current version inhibiting enrollment of new members. It does not specifically say so, as far as I understand, but makes the process somewhat difficult, and contains disincentives for private individuals even to bother attempting to get a private policy. Equally importantly, the plan as it currently stands relies on its mere words of assurance of the ongoing right to insure privately, but ignores market realities. The plan would seriously reduce employer incentives, create new tax consequences for employment-provided and private insureds, and create a non-competitive environment vis-a-visgovernment plan versus private plans. The market is a force that liberals and socialists simply dismiss with a wave of the hand. In other words, the plan declares it will not eliminate private medical plans, but economic realities and the market will determine otherwise.

Andrew Price is doing an in-depth series on the future of medical care at our Commentarama blog. If you get a chance, please take a look, and since he's doing the heavy lifting on those issues, you can address questions to him which he will be much better prepared to answer than I. We may end up learning from you. You can click on his or my avatar to go to the site.

Very good to hear you an your mom are ok. We kind of like having you around and posting.

Oh, and I think it's time to curtail your bounty hunting activities for a week or two. The driving tactics used can be dangerous.

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Thing is, the health care in the military is top notch, but it is NOT a socialized system. The doctors, nurses, tech staff and the rest are ALL members of the military themselves. Doctors and nurses all had their training done (most on their own) in the same medical schools/progams that their civilian counterparts went through and joined up afterwards. Said military medical facilities are not going bankrupt providing said care because their military staff are getting the same pay as everyone else in the military. This is not something that can work in the civilian world. Also, said medical staff are as equally committed and loyal to their military patients as every other man and woman in the armed forces are to each other, hence the top notch care.

I only bring this up here cause I can see this becoming another contrived talking point among those who are defending BO's lunacy.

ARRRRRRGHGHGHGHGHGHGHG

I just got pinched by the "comment must be approved" Nazi. There was NOTHING in my post that should have triggered the filter.

Right. The way this seems to work is that you have to be either on (1) the government plan, (2) some other government plan (like Medicare), (3) in a "qualifying" private plan, or (4) in a "grandfathered" plan.

The plan you're on now (probably) will be considered a qualifying plan. They can keep offering it, but they can't add new people (and they have limits on the rate changes the plan can make). That will kill off the plan, but that's the goal. They want to pretend to let you keep your current plan, but to really kill these off so that everyone is under the government plan or a qualifying plan.

The qualifying plans are subject to a lot more regulation — the grandfather plans aren't.

Interestingly, none of this keeps a private insurer from offering a non-qualifying plan, but you will get taxed as if you don't have a plan if that is your plan.

I'm thinking "Brazil" here (doctors — instead of repairmen — sneaking around treating people the government has fingered for termination and/or is too inept to provide care for). If it weren't so scary, it would be hysterically funny. What's even more amusing is the useful idiots who are buying this stuff.
They think they're going to get the same kind of care we get today only FREE. What a hoot!

Just wait until Joe Sixpack's kid gets a malignant brain tumor that is considered terminal and he's told to take the kid home to die. (Before you think I'm exaggerating, this is exactly what happened in Britain a few years back. A young boy was dx'd with a brain tumor of a tissue type that has a high risk of mortality. The NHS declared the tumor inoperable. For some reason, the child's plight came to the attention of Ben Carson (neurosurgeon at Hopkins) who offered to operate for nothing. A bunch of people collected money, flew the kid to America, Hopkins wrote off his bill and Carson operated gratis. The child recovered and went back to Britain. Whether the tumor recurred and the Brits were right or not, I don't know. Haven't read any more about it.

Why do Brits accept this? I don't know, but I do know those who can afford to buy private insurance DO. (Same with the Austrians. A friend's brother in Australia paid out of pocket for his coronary artery bypass because he was afraid he'd die while waiting in the queue — three months long).

A few years back, a well-known news person's wife suffered a stroke while traveling in Britain. She was taken to a Brit hospital — free medical care for all, you know — but British hospitals can't afford fibrinolytic agents like Urokinase (too expensive for the NHS) and she didn't get it. This drug has to be given early in the event. Had she stroked in a US hospital she would have gotten this drug immediately. I don't know what her long term deficit was, but she did have a neurological deficit upon discharge. I don't know if the anchorman or she understand medicine enough to know that not using the fibrolytic might have reduced or eliminated her deficit.

I suspect at first our medical marvels will be available but as they become more and more cost prohibitive, they will be phased out. A mid size American city has more MRI scanners than in all of Canada. Canadians' dogs can get MRIs and CT scans easier and quicker than their human owners.

I think the filter Nazi picks up on people who post a lot on this blog. If you have more than 5 in fifteen minutes or less. At least that is the way I have experienced it.

If I pace myself, no admin hold.

I'm not sure if this is an earlier or later comment, but the idea is to drive people into new plans that are directly regulated by the new bill.

Growltiger: The answer to your question is "yes." Commentary is allowed and encouraged.

Thanks Joelim!

And yes, we welcome all questions and comments. . . even dissenting views.

I live in Ontario, and right now the statistic is that 1 million Ontarians cannot find a GP. I don't know how long the waiting list is, but I ma lucky enough to have one, and I get asked by many friends id she is taking any more patients, because they can't find a doctor.

Hey Let’s Do What the Canadians Do!!!!!…

When it comes to healthcare reform.  Canada’s system has been lauded as a model by Michael Moore, President Bill Clinton, President Barack Obama, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and a whole host of Democrats.  It must be great.  Right?
W…

Thank you!

Aw, thanks! I like reading your posts, too! And yeah, I took a day off work. The evil-doer gremlins who leave trash in my store escaped my wrath for a day…

True story also. A fellow was bleeding profusely from the rectum and it was about 4pm. The tech in charge of the GI lab had a quota of 6 studies a day and this was #7 but an emergency. You guesed it. He read his book until 5pm and said Duty Day is over and went home. We had to transfuse the guy all night just because of this. National healthcare at work.

Too True…….. "Buck- um-all"
Never a bill should be passed, by any legislative body, that does not include mandatory participation by the signatories.

Ginger, I don't think it's totally viewed as a drain on society on it's own (at least I don't).

The problem becomes when you get people coming in and collecting against it who never paid in, or paid in for only a few years (one of the huge arguments against illegal immigrant amnesty). You also have individual fraud.

Pile onto that that Social Security was originally supposed to be an untouchable fund, but every time it has had a budget surplus, Congress has raided it by borrowing against it for other programs instead of holding it back in store for the American people. This is one of the reasons red flags start going off for me any time someone arguing for a program like it (mandantory, 'untouchable', etc) starts going off about it and how I'm eeeeeeeeeeevil for not supporting it 100% with unquestioning, unblinking loyalty.

So true!
Let everyone save the money they earn and keep Uncle out of it.

What stops me from creating an insurance company in the Bahamas and making arrangements with private doctors in the US who supply medical services on a cash basis to provide the service through the Bajhamian corporation. I know for a fact that the Bahamas are already set up with investment companies to avoid US tax that while technically illegal the IRS cannot do anything about it as long as the monies never leave the Bahamian banks.

Im cannot imagine that anyone with any money whatsoever would agree to this. I still contend that loopholes will be built into this situaltion that only someone with enough wealth can take advantage of. Democrats are notorious for creating such loopholes. Under the 90% tax rates of liberalism of the 70's there were numerous schemes to hide all the money. Reagon got rid of them i the 1986 tax code.

What stops me from creating an insurance company in the Bahamas and making arrangements with private doctors in the US who supply medical services on a cash basis to provide the service through the Bajhamian corporation. I know for a fact that the Bahamas are already set up with investment companies to avoid US tax that while technically illegal the IRS cannot do anything about it as long as the monies never leave the Bahamian banks.

Im cannot imagine that anyone with any money whatsoever would agree to this. I still contend that loopholes will be built into this situaltion that only someone with enough wealth can take advantage of. Democrats are notorious for creating such loopholes. Under the 90% tax rates of liberalism of the 70's there were numerous schemes to hide all the money. Reagan got rid of them in the 1986 tax code.

I can tell you how to find a GP in the United States. Google, or use a phone book and look up General Practioner in the Physician section. With one phone call, possibly two you will now have a GP to visit. If you do your research and read online reviews, it could take up to an hour. All my relatives are Canadian. My mother was born and raised there, naturalized here. What that film showed is exactly what my relatives go through. When I had a knee injury, I got a Orthopedic Surgeon looking at it, an MRI and surgery in a week. I know both systems, I absolutely don't want the Canadian one.

Blast those evil gremlins! A pox on their kind!

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