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Dear Hollywood.
The greatest story never told by Hollywood.
Christopher Marlowe, genius playwright and shadowy spy, fakes his death to avoid being sent to the gallows. Falsely accused of atheism and heresy, he goes underground, protected by his handlers in Queen Elizabeth's government. Soon after, works attributed to Shakespeare (who prior had no record as a writer!) begin appearing. Written by whom? Christopher Marlowe – the greatest Elizabethan playwright when he was "alive." Marlowe, with Shakespeare as the willing entrepeneurial frontman!
http://www.marlowe-shakespeare.blogspot.com
And from Emmy-winning filmmaker Mike Rubbo, this clip from his critically acclaimed PBS/Frontline documentary – Much Ado About Something – on the theory above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsJTbWF1-lg
Night Hawks. A movie that I can see over and over again.
No offense, but that doesn't actually sound all that interesting.
Would there be some hot Elizabethan chicks running around? Or just some fruity-looking dudes dressing up as Juliet?
What got you interested in Marlowe/Shakespeare controversy?
On the surface, yes. Who cares about a playwright dead almost four hundred years?
But………………
Got that bald chick from STAR TREK who they tried to shive down our throats as the next star.
As much as it pains me to recommend something on ABC/Obama, "The Goode Family" deserves our support. "The Goode Family," you recall, is the Friday night (check local listings) animated series that takes aim at a family of environmental extremists. The show is funny, well-written, and is the bravest thing on network television. (I know. That's like being the tallest midget — Can I say "midget?")
That a project like "The Goode Family" got the green-light, at all, is a minor miracle. With its savage needling of liberal sacred cows, it makes for some entertaining viewing; and if ever there was a group of people in need of some "savage needling," it's the environmental movement.
Support "The Goode Family."
My favorite Stallone movie. It's a shame that only the TV version has "Brown Sugar" playing in the disco scene. They couldn't get the music rights for the DVD version. Stallone says that the original version was better before the studio edited it.
"NIGHTHAWKS was a very difficult film to make namely because no one believed that urban terrorism would ever happen in New York thus felt the story was far fetched.
NIGHTHAWKS was even a better film before the studio lost faith in it and cut it to pieces. What was in the missing scenes was extraordinary acting by Rutger Hauer, Lindsey Wagner, and the finale was a blood fest that rivaled the finale of "Taxi Driver." But it was a blood fest with a purpose. "
If you want good theater….. rent CADDYSHACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not even sure there's really a "controversy", as such. Shakespeare doesn't have much of an identity outside of his body of work; therefore, whoever it was who produced the work is "Shakespeare".
It's not as though a modern day domestic terrorist were to have written something which was then attributed to a popular, up-and-coming politician.
Now, THAT would be controversial. But, who would believe it?
"Bald" + "chick" = not hot
Night Hawks was awesome … now I have to see it again
This is the first time I ever have heard of some sort of controversy concerning Shakespeare's Plays.
If true, it begs the question, how many other things in "History" are out right false!!!
We have been subjected to outright falsehoods of Sarah Palin. We were subjected to the outright falsehood of the TET offensive. It being lost by us, while in fact, was actually disasterous for the Vietnamese.
It is more intellectual curiousity right now, but can you see the parallels in modern life?
Thanks to Tennesse Jed, I have to say I did over look this… and being that this is aopen thread I think we need to get this out there… look what the left is doing to demonize Frank Ricci
Sotomayor backers urge reporters to probe New Haven firefighter
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/71660.html
As the article said, it is compelling story of overcoming dyslexia and achieving one's goals only to be shot down by Sotomayor.
Rutger Hauer in Soldier of Orange
Exactly…. really the American way "overcoming adversary" only to be brought back down…. I guess, the minority groups cry foul over this all the time and they do the same thing that they fight so diligently against….
Found it again (they've been moving it around, sometimes it seems, during the show). FUNNY. Liberals hate hate hate it, which makes it even more funny. Making a dog a vegan (it doesn't work). I think they're showing it online, too.
How do you come by this information? Sounds interesting, I'll say.
With the Supreme court reversing her decision, the reporters want to now go after a private citizen ala Joe the Plumber.
Disgusting. I want someone like this "judging" the constitutionality of things? That's a big fat founding fathers NO!
The Marlowe thing has been floating around for awhile. I used to have aspirations to teach English Literature, until I graduated (summa cum laude, unlike our current President) and met my prospective students. So I'm familiar with the "controversy".
I just don't think it has the makings of a very interesting two hours of drama. Unless they can work Salma Hayek into the script. Then I'd watch it.
That is true……the PLUMBER was raked over the coals…hmmmmm, do you think that the left is in on this???? bwhahahahhaha
Any movie with Salma Hayek in it is a MUST SEE!!
Is it true that Dr. Mary Pat Jordan has shacked up with Al Sharpton?
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30861
I only see a downside for any reporter/ and the DNC going after him right now.
Reporting is a thing from the past…. they only want to drag people threw the mud…….Journalism in my opinion is a dying art form
I forget the name of the article, but I read that Journalism per se, didn't come about until the 1930's. Up until then, all newspapers were partisan, one way or the other. The reason why Journalism came about was a marketing ploy by newspapers.
At the time, newspapers, trying to reach a larger audience, started to send reporters to Journalism school ostensibly to create the impression of impartiality. They knew their reporters were "liberal" but the Management was "conservatvie" and could influence the editorials.
On the general subject of good B-movie action/thriller pics, my wife and I saw a great movie the other day that I have to give a big thumbs up to – Cellular. It's typical Larry Cohen fun with a plot that keeps you guessing and some good stars – Kim Basinger, the Transporter himself as the lead heavy and William H. Macy as a cop getting ready to retire (and you know how well that tends to work out).
While my wife and I were watching it, I kept getting the feeling that something was strange about the movie that I couldn't quite put my finger on. After about an hour, I finally realized what it was. No one in the movie – not even the thugs – drops the F-bomb continuously. After becoming so innured to hear dialogue like "''Eff off you mothuh-'effing effer" every time I pop in a DVD, it was almost surreal to hear nothing coarser than an occassional B.S. or beyotch. The movie's earned a special place in my heart for this reason alone.
It is MORALLY repulsive……. this great country being thrashed by media and the like.. we have two people that we are speaking about Joe the Plumber and Frank Ricci, just trying to get by and the LEFT just does everything in there power to tear them down… what a crock….
Rutger Hauer was great in this.
I agree, and we are doing something about it. Talking here and now is letting the readership of Big Hollywood know that Ricci is being targeted. By the end of next week, we will know more about Ricci than we ever wanted to know and about who has taken up with the Administration. The Usual Suspects will be out and about.
Looks like they are taking the Alinsky playbook to heart: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
Reading the comments, I found this hidden gem by "vamonticello":
–The GOP is a party based on HATE. Its not suprising that the are claiming racism against WHITE men as a reason not to vote for the first Hispanic supreme court female nominee. Theyre already 4 white racist white men on the supreme court right now and 1 self hating black man. The firefighter decision was 5-4, from that they are claiming rampant racism against white people. Republicans are exposing themselves as complete and utter racists.–
Can you say, PROJECTION????
Joe, that is true….I am amazed with the amount of conservatives in this great country that we ALLOW the left to demonize anything or anyone that has traditional viewspoints! I hate using this but it is a class or warfare over views and who has the BIGGEST mouth!
Well, thanks….just gagged at that thought….
That is a MORSEL….Wow, those republicans are rampid racists…..it is amazing that the supreme court is covered with blatant racists!
More and more people are realizing that this administration is doing it's level best to destroy this country. It shows in the polls.
Tell me about it…I bet this idiot never said a peep about O'Connor's opinion on the Bakke decision regarding Affirmative Action….
Well, I guess the next thing that the administration needs is a POLITICAL CZAR….. just becasue WE NEED bigger government…
Would you honestly think that it would be a FAIR comment coming from HUFFPO??? please….. I am a conservative not DUMB…..LOL…..I just cannot stand being over on the huffpo, but it is easy reading adn great fun at times….
My favorite Rutger Hauer role has to be in Blade Runner….he is so deadly, and cold, and yet charismatic, and at the end, he is so human in his inevitable demise.
A fair comment coming from the PuffyHo??? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
muahahahahahaahahahahah
The end of Night Hawks gets better every time I see it.
But as for Stallone movies I can watch again, and again, and again, I'll take Victory.
NightHawks is a classic!
Stallone in drag. You don't see that everyday.
It's pretty clear it's in summer burn-off mode, dumped on Friday nights. I think it's too late to save it. I haven't even seen an on-air promo for it in ages. Like "Kings," it never got any sort of traction. It's clever, but shows that nobody watches die. How many episodes are left?
Entertaining movie! Y'know now that our oldest is almost seven, we have given up on watching anything more mature than Spongbob because we don't want our kids hearing F-bombs. Adult content visually usually gets missed because kids are reading or playing while grown up shows are on but we don't want the kids hearing F-bombs and other profanity. A good show to watch as a family is rare, so we decieded to just quit trying.
Always liked NIGHTHAWKS especially for the approach it took toward terrorists ,presenting them as unsympathetic, self absorbed, fanatical killers. It was ahead of it's time in showing that you can't treat terrorists like criminals, giving them miranda rights etc, they have to be found and killed without mercy. These are maxims very relevant today.
Better than remaking RED DAWN, they could easily update NIGHTHAWKS but it won't happen, not in the PC, antimilitary, terrorist appeasing Hollyweird of today.
One great Bladerunner line: Hauer as Batty: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time… like tears in rain… Time to die."
You know, I wouldn't put that past Barry.
To give the man his due: The "tears in rain" part was originally an ad-lib by Rutger in rehearsals, and Ridley Scott thought it was brilliant.
There's also an equally long-running controversy that Edward de Vere wrote all of Shakespeare as well. A lot of people refuse to believe that someone from Will's background could have written on the subjects he did.
Very Palin-esque of them. "Shakespeare was a hick actor from the sticks — Stratford's only a few miles from Birmingham, for God's sake. He couldn't possibly have been educated enough to write everything that's attributed to him; he probably didn't write any of it."
Oblababab, will have a czar in place for a everything soon.. well before the 2010 elections!!!!
Actually . . . faked death? That's interesting. But I haven't encountered any hot chicks in this tale!
Shakespeare Truthers?
Shakespeare, when he died, left no evidence that he was a writer. Nothing in his will. No books left behind. Got me thinking . . .
If we acknowledge next to the Bible that the Shakespeare works are the greatest works of the western world, then they had to be written by someone very special. Sorry, Shakespeare, when he died, left no evidence in his will that he cared about books or learning. The guy was a businessman, not a writer. And yes, the person who wrote the plays needed to have an intense knowledge of history, the classics, etc. Just look at the Henry plays. VERY complicated! Marlowe had that background, for sure. And Oxford/de Vere, whatever he published under his name, was quite marginal stuff.
http://www.marlowe-shakespeare.blogspot.com
There is a guy with a new theory that it was a woman who wrote Shakespeare's plays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyn-3GNOd7w&fe...
Fascinating.
Good point.
It never fails….the only part in the film that makes me weep…Sniff…..
ARRRRGGH!!! I need to watch it ASAP!!!!!!
yep . . .his background showed SCANT evidence he was a writer. Names on plays mean nothing – he was a front, let's face it. Btw, most of the 36 plays never had his name on them, originally!
Mike Rubbo's doc. film Much Ado About Something, with a clip available on YouTube, really shows how interesting Marlowe's story is.
One of my faves, but I admit to preferring Von Sydow and Caine in it over Stallone
doubtaboutwill.org
Lot of good stuff there, too.
No….a remake of "NightHawks" would end up with a "Munich" type of moral equivalency….
I can picture it now…..The setting: an abandoned warehouse. DaSilva is crouched against the wall across from a scaffold where Wulfgar awaits. DaSilva asks him what happened to Wulfgar, to have made him so cold-blooded. Wulfgar sits back to reminesce, a tear rolls down his cheek as he recalls how his father refused to buy him a Nintendo 64….
And DaSilva nods in complete understanding, recalling how safe his Nintendo 64 and The Legend of Zelda made him feel, when he was very young.
Sly in drag…WOLFGARRRRR!!
Interesting. But the Marlowe clues in Shakespeare plays are overwhelming! And the similarities in styles!
http://marlowe-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2008/12/m...
Read the Shakespeare bios.
As Mark Twain writes, we only have two pages of facts on Shakespeare. So these bios about him are all speculation. Imagining that Shakespeare, for example, stayed up late reading Scottish history in preparing for Macbeth, for example.
Hah! Exactly! Not sure if it matters at the end of the day anyway. Shakespeare's like Homer–probably didn't exist as we imagine him, but the work supersedes the man. One thing that can't be argued, whoever he was, he sure is dead.
"Night Hawks" Great movie that gets little mention
Loved this movie way back when…I wonder if I would love it as much today. (I'm so surprised sometimes at how bad my taste was then. 'The Fish that Saved Pittsburg' Need I say more?)
Easily one of Stallone's most underrated movies. And one of his better efforts.
If you want a great comedy. Yes, Caddyshack rules all.
But if you want a edge-of-you-seat-hug-the-person-next-to-you thriller. Few movies delivers the thrills like Nighthawks.
What did the left accuse Bush of saying about the consitution being "A GO%%AMN PIECE OF PAPER"?
We have a president using it for bathroom tissue.
Last night, I went to a dinner for Chuck DeVore's campaign to oust Barbara Boxer as Senator. (Most of you should recognize Chuck as one of the writers here at Big Hollywood.) Going in, I was a bit skeptical that he (or anyone) could defeat our California nightmare. But, after meeting him and listening to him speak, I think he actually has a shot.
If you are as sick of Ms. Boxer as I am, I strongly suggest you check out his website.
http://www.chuckdevore.com/index.asp
Remember the picture of Obama looking at a woman's backside? At the time, I wonder how long it would take for the MSM to blame Right wing for it. Well, they already have.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/0...
Didn't take them long, did it?
Just watched 'Public Enemy' and have to say that Michael Mann has de-evolved from a great director to a two cent tv whore producer. He is one of the few who has jumped into the digital era of cameras with the making of 'Collateral', and decided that the people who does 'COPS!' has the right idea in how to film anything. He put that to the test with the abysmal works of 'Miami Vice' and has now topped (sorry) Dropped that much further with PE. I had to walk out of the theater when they finally ended Dillingers' life in slooow motion -as I predicted- by just shooting him on the street walk instead of that ally of which it actually ended. I really should of walked in with some Dramamine before I came too.
It's pretty obvious that since this movie was done digitally, the frames per second was boasted up to around 30~60 instead of the usual 24 and that's why it all looks like 'COPS!' in HD. I have no doubt that every single person walked out of that room with at the the very least, an uneasy feeling. You know, that feeling of where you're just about to throw up?
Not one expletive and I get this?!!!!
I turned on the the TV late one night and "The Rockford Files" was on…Lyndsay Wagner was a client and she was in her boutique working in the scene …I flipped around and came across Wagner again, again in clothing store…It was "Night Hawks" ..was still a good film….and who doesnt love synchronicity like that?
the site acts up, the same thing happened to me just now…check for your comments later
Ah, yes, the classic Freudian excuse.
I remember when "Nighhawks" was first released and how the critics dumped on it. That is when I learned not to trust the critics. It was (and is) a terrifically entertaining film with Stallone and Hauer giving everyone their money's worth. I particularly enjoyed Nigel Davenport, one of my favorite actors, as the no-nonsense anti-terrorism expert. Even though it was mangled in the post-production process it still holds up. Rutger Hauer had a good career but it was a real shame that Hollywood never seemed to know what to do with him. His performance as Roy Batty in "Blade Runner" was brilliant.
3 recently seen junk movies
APT PUPIL – ridiculous
V FOR VENDETTA – stupid and silly
CASINO ROYALE – better than the above 2, but I'd never watch it again.
My friend's taste in movies is questionable. as was the friend who thought POWDER was a great film. I was laughing hysterically at the closing scene as 'Powder' is running thru the field with his arms thrown back behind him
I had no problem with the look of 'Collateral' (I actually really like that movie), but I agree 'Miami Vice' was a steaming pile. I only felt the digital effect in 'Public Enemies' acutely during the heat of the firefights; but I actually thought it was pretty cool and added to the intensity of the only good sequences in the movie. I made a point of seeing it in digital projection, though, so that may have helped. I didn't feel queasy at all, but the movie certainly was a disappointment–no character development or sense of motivations at all. The clothes & cars sure looked nice though, and Billy Crudup was the lone bright spot as Hoover.
Love this movie. Totally under-rated
Stallone delivers as always (with the exceptions of "Stop, or my Mom will Shoot" and the "Best Little Wh*rehouse in Texas" thing)… Rutger Hauer, always a favorite – very solid presence, Malevolance without camp..
I look at today's crop of films and very few enjoyable – "popcorn" movies are out there. I guess they all opt for direct to DVD to cut down on studio release costs…?
Oh wow, you have got to be kidding. The Fish? Blame it on [insert addiction here]
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