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		<title>By: Stephen_Tilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen_Tilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just back from. 
 
It mirrors the parallel cop/robber structure of Heat, with somewhat less focus on the cop procedural part than I&#039;d have liked.  The glimpses of the nascent arts of &quot;scientific&quot; crimefighting, including wiretaps and CI&#039;s, were fascinating.  Thankfully we are not tortured with endless scenes of Melvin Purvis&#039;s family life; there is only the terse title card at the end of the film, telling of his ultimate fate, that hints at more than professional turmoil in his life. 
 
The thing I appreciate most about Michael Mann&#039;s films is also the thing that dooms him to perennial box-office failure:  he does a minimal amount of hand-holding for the audience.  He trusts the script and the actors to convey a tangled and complex plot with a myriad of characters both major and minor; he trusts the audience to keep track of multiple threads without constantly reminding them of who&#039;s who and what&#039;s what.  Once a plot point is established, whether by a murmur or a glance or an establishing shot, he does not feel the need to revisit the facts until the characters do so organically and logically.  There&#039;s precious little &quot;As you know, Bob&quot;-style expository dialogue -- Michael Mann could never direct an episode of &quot;24&quot;; his artistic integrity would explode.  Yet without such audience crutches, his films are often thought of as &quot;brooding&quot; or sterile or austere or incomprehesible.  Brooding and austere they may be, but I think of this as a strength, not a weakness.  The vast majority of filmgoers out for a couple of brainless hours in an air-conditioned theater may not agree with me or other Mann-fans on that point.  (For example, I&#039;m the only person I know who LOVED Miami Vice.  Maybe there&#039;s something wrong with me but I find new things to admire every time I watch it.) 
 
Then there&#039;s Mann&#039;s approach to action scenes.  Violence in Mann films (and Public Enemies is emblematic in this regard) comes on like a thunderstorm rolling up a valley: He tends to start off with wide angles and deep focus as the first shots rattle like stones thrown against sheet-metal, then plunge into close-up, tightly focused shots of individuals struggling to survive as bullets smack around them or into them.  Firefights degenerate into confused melees of strobing muzzle flashes and fragments of glass and masonry, in which survival and victory are more a product of luck and one side making fewer mistakes than the other.  
 
Public Enemies is very much a Michael Mann film, and that is a very good thing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just back from. </p>
<p>It mirrors the parallel cop/robber structure of Heat, with somewhat less focus on the cop procedural part than I&#039;d have liked.  The glimpses of the nascent arts of &quot;scientific&quot; crimefighting, including wiretaps and CI&#039;s, were fascinating.  Thankfully we are not tortured with endless scenes of Melvin Purvis&#039;s family life; there is only the terse title card at the end of the film, telling of his ultimate fate, that hints at more than professional turmoil in his life. </p>
<p>The thing I appreciate most about Michael Mann&#039;s films is also the thing that dooms him to perennial box-office failure:  he does a minimal amount of hand-holding for the audience.  He trusts the script and the actors to convey a tangled and complex plot with a myriad of characters both major and minor; he trusts the audience to keep track of multiple threads without constantly reminding them of who&#039;s who and what&#039;s what.  Once a plot point is established, whether by a murmur or a glance or an establishing shot, he does not feel the need to revisit the facts until the characters do so organically and logically.  There&#039;s precious little &quot;As you know, Bob&quot;-style expository dialogue &#8212; Michael Mann could never direct an episode of &quot;24&quot;; his artistic integrity would explode.  Yet without such audience crutches, his films are often thought of as &quot;brooding&quot; or sterile or austere or incomprehesible.  Brooding and austere they may be, but I think of this as a strength, not a weakness.  The vast majority of filmgoers out for a couple of brainless hours in an air-conditioned theater may not agree with me or other Mann-fans on that point.  (For example, I&#039;m the only person I know who LOVED Miami Vice.  Maybe there&#039;s something wrong with me but I find new things to admire every time I watch it.) </p>
<p>Then there&#039;s Mann&#039;s approach to action scenes.  Violence in Mann films (and Public Enemies is emblematic in this regard) comes on like a thunderstorm rolling up a valley: He tends to start off with wide angles and deep focus as the first shots rattle like stones thrown against sheet-metal, then plunge into close-up, tightly focused shots of individuals struggling to survive as bullets smack around them or into them.  Firefights degenerate into confused melees of strobing muzzle flashes and fragments of glass and masonry, in which survival and victory are more a product of luck and one side making fewer mistakes than the other.  </p>
<p>Public Enemies is very much a Michael Mann film, and that is a very good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: beartooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beartooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks kindly.  Afraid I don&#039;t much at the moment. 
 
*SPOILERS* 
 
Both the Oates film and the new one mitigate Little Bohemia by killing off most of the gang, when in fact they got clean away.  At the beginning of the raid Agent Carter Baum accidentally killed a bystander and was guilt-stricken enough to throw his guns away.  Purvis sent him on what should have been a safe errand round the lake.  Unfortunately Baum ran into Nelson, was apparently unwilling to defend himself and was murdered.  It may be a bit melodramatic, but it&#039;s true and nicely encapsulates the way the Feds were basically decent but completely out of their depth.  The film has Purvis shooting up the innocents, so Baum isn&#039;t traumatised and his death becomes just another case of someone being unlucky enough to get in Nelson&#039;s way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks kindly.  Afraid I don&#039;t much at the moment. </p>
<p>*SPOILERS* </p>
<p>Both the Oates film and the new one mitigate Little Bohemia by killing off most of the gang, when in fact they got clean away.  At the beginning of the raid Agent Carter Baum accidentally killed a bystander and was guilt-stricken enough to throw his guns away.  Purvis sent him on what should have been a safe errand round the lake.  Unfortunately Baum ran into Nelson, was apparently unwilling to defend himself and was murdered.  It may be a bit melodramatic, but it&#039;s true and nicely encapsulates the way the Feds were basically decent but completely out of their depth.  The film has Purvis shooting up the innocents, so Baum isn&#039;t traumatised and his death becomes just another case of someone being unlucky enough to get in Nelson&#039;s way.</p>
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		<title>By: Movie Lovah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Movie Lovah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments are so interesting I just want to read MORE from you - seriously. 
Do you write much in other forums? 
 
Please tell me what exactly was the &quot;rather strange omission from the Little Bohemia sequence&quot; ?? 
Just a few days ago I finally saw the Warren Oates film about Dillinger (for the first time),  
so I have some notion of what the Little Bohemia sequence entails ... 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments are so interesting I just want to read MORE from you &#8211; seriously.<br />
Do you write much in other forums? </p>
<p>Please tell me what exactly was the &quot;rather strange omission from the Little Bohemia sequence&quot; ??<br />
Just a few days ago I finally saw the Warren Oates film about Dillinger (for the first time),<br />
so I have some notion of what the Little Bohemia sequence entails &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: beartooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beartooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[cont.] 
Not the film I&#039;d have made, and not necessarily the story I&#039;d most like to have watched, but it does what it sets out to pretty well.  I really don&#039;t see any offensive glorification of criminality.  Demonisation of the FBI is in the eye of the beholder: there&#039;s no question the G-men did a few questionable things at the outset.  In fact these seem to have been because they were clueless and desperate rather than deliberately thuggish.  By presenting them as slightly more competent on film than they in fact were, I suppose you run the risk of making the heavy-handedness seem more calculated.  Overall I was slightly irritated, but we certainly aren&#039;t talking about anything remotely as loathsome as &#039;Bonnie &amp; Clyde&#039;. 
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Not the film I&#039;d have made, and not necessarily the story I&#039;d most like to have watched, but it does what it sets out to pretty well.  I really don&#039;t see any offensive glorification of criminality.  Demonisation of the FBI is in the eye of the beholder: there&#039;s no question the G-men did a few questionable things at the outset.  In fact these seem to have been because they were clueless and desperate rather than deliberately thuggish.  By presenting them as slightly more competent on film than they in fact were, I suppose you run the risk of making the heavy-handedness seem more calculated.  Overall I was slightly irritated, but we certainly aren&#039;t talking about anything remotely as loathsome as &#039;Bonnie &amp; Clyde&#039;.</p>
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		<title>By: beartooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beartooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[cont.] 
The problem is that the source material is *not* the John Dillinger story.  It&#039;&#039;s fundamentally the  story of a bunch of young lawyers sitting out the Depression with secure government employment, who suddenly found themselves involved in car chases and gunfights.  That&#039;s actually a more interesting story and I wish more attention was devoted to it.  The problem isn&#039;t with Dillinger, it&#039;s with Purvis.  There&#039;s also a rather strange omission from the Little Bohemia sequence that strikes me as slightly perverse. 
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The problem is that the source material is *not* the John Dillinger story.  It&#039;&#039;s fundamentally the  story of a bunch of young lawyers sitting out the Depression with secure government employment, who suddenly found themselves involved in car chases and gunfights.  That&#039;s actually a more interesting story and I wish more attention was devoted to it.  The problem isn&#039;t with Dillinger, it&#039;s with Purvis.  There&#039;s also a rather strange omission from the Little Bohemia sequence that strikes me as slightly perverse.<br />
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		<title>By: beartooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beartooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just back, and as a straight-up Depression hoodlum flick it&#039;s not at all bad.  Have to admit I&#039;m slightly puzzled that someone presumably paid Burrough a fair amount for rights and then largely ignored the book.  As I suspected, it owes an awful lot more to the Milius film than history. 
 
Dillinger is charismatic, superficially attractive, thoroughly amoral, and hangs out with very scary and violent people: that seems fairly accurate to me and I wouldn&#039;t say he&#039;s unfairly romanticised as a character.   
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just back, and as a straight-up Depression hoodlum flick it&#039;s not at all bad.  Have to admit I&#039;m slightly puzzled that someone presumably paid Burrough a fair amount for rights and then largely ignored the book.  As I suspected, it owes an awful lot more to the Milius film than history. </p>
<p>Dillinger is charismatic, superficially attractive, thoroughly amoral, and hangs out with very scary and violent people: that seems fairly accurate to me and I wouldn&#039;t say he&#039;s unfairly romanticised as a character.   </p>
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		<title>By: tublecane</title>
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		<dc:creator>tublecane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, I&#039;ll take your suggestion that it doesn&#039;t romanticize with a grain of salt.&quot; 
 
To say that a movie omits or glosses over historical facts is not to imply that it makes either Dillinger or Pervis more romatic than they ought to be. You can leave details out for any number of reasons. Because they don&#039;t fit the characterization you&#039;ve chosen to portray. Becuase there isn&#039;t enough time. To preserve the internal consistency of the plot. Writers/directors have to have discretion. The constraints of storytelling, and movie storytelling in particular, demand so. This is fiction, after all, not a documentary.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Well, I&#039;ll take your suggestion that it doesn&#039;t romanticize with a grain of salt.&quot; </p>
<p>To say that a movie omits or glosses over historical facts is not to imply that it makes either Dillinger or Pervis more romatic than they ought to be. You can leave details out for any number of reasons. Because they don&#039;t fit the characterization you&#039;ve chosen to portray. Becuase there isn&#039;t enough time. To preserve the internal consistency of the plot. Writers/directors have to have discretion. The constraints of storytelling, and movie storytelling in particular, demand so. This is fiction, after all, not a documentary.</p>
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		<title>By: AlistZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlistZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you like Warren Oates, you&#039;ll like &lt;em&gt; Dillinger&lt;/em&gt;.   </description>
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		<title>By: mendelbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>mendelbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jhoh, You say it&#039;s almost like a straight up historical recreation where... &quot;a lot more of the interesting historical details were glossed over or left out&quot;?   
Well, I&#039;ll take your suggestion that it doesn&#039;t romanticize with a grain of salt. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jhoh, You say it&#039;s almost like a straight up historical recreation where&#8230; &quot;a lot more of the interesting historical details were glossed over or left out&quot;?<br />
Well, I&#039;ll take your suggestion that it doesn&#039;t romanticize with a grain of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: beartooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beartooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   Well it&#039;s supposed to be based on Brian Burrough&#039;s book, although to be honest the trailer looks to owe a lot to John Milius&#039; extremely enjoyable but staggeringly inaccurate Dillinger flick. 
 
  I&#039;ve always thought &#039;Public enemies&#039; was a rather misleading title for the book, as it&#039;s focussed on, and sympathetic to, the FBI far more than the bandits.  Which isn&#039;t to say that it ignores quite how incompetent the G-Men were for the first months of the War on Crime.  Burrough certainly has some harsh comments about the cinematic glorification of Clyde Barrow. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#039;s supposed to be based on Brian Burrough&#039;s book, although to be honest the trailer looks to owe a lot to John Milius&#039; extremely enjoyable but staggeringly inaccurate Dillinger flick. </p>
<p>  I&#039;ve always thought &#039;Public enemies&#039; was a rather misleading title for the book, as it&#039;s focussed on, and sympathetic to, the FBI far more than the bandits.  Which isn&#039;t to say that it ignores quite how incompetent the G-Men were for the first months of the War on Crime.  Burrough certainly has some harsh comments about the cinematic glorification of Clyde Barrow.</p>
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