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Shane "tribute" or not, I've seen pretty much every Clint Eastwood film from 1982 until 1993, and Pale Rider is one of his stronger efforts from this era of his career; it's a hell of a lot better than Firefox, City Heat, Pink Cadillac or The Rookie. Although for an "R" western, it's pretty tame.
Dirty Harry's Place was a better blog than Big Hollywood.
Hootie -Blowfish - May 30th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Saw Wind and the Lion last night, loved the Marines double timing through the streets of Tangier. To my mind, that was the climax of the movie. All the chess playing and Roosevelt bloviating, while nice, was just filler.
As someone said earlier, it was a Shane remake but I enjoyed it. It is a good afternoon relaxing type western. The only part I found disturbing was the infatuation of the girl for the much older man.
I saw the Wind and the Lion a long time ago. It does not present TR in the most favorable light. It is however based on a true story but Candace B. was a man in real life and Sean C. real life counterpart had few redeeming qualities. I watched the Great Train Robbery, which I think came on after the Wind and the Lion. Good stuff.
I found "Pale Rider" a disappointment. Just nothing much there. It was around this time that Eastwood announced that he was allergic to horses. Maybe that had something to do with it.
I judge most Eastwood flics by the azz whuppin scenes. The first one in town, with the axe handle and the last one in town make it a good movie. The middle I can take or leave. But any time it's on I try to see the two scenes mentioned. The look on the Marshall's face, right before he leaves this world, is fantastic!
Concerning Connery, if you haven't seen The Hill, catch it next time it's on TCM. Great work!
John Locke - May 30th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Is it just me, or is anyone else having a problem commenting on this site? For the first five seconds of typing this, I saw random simboys in place of the letters I'm typing. And now I'm seeing nothing at all. I'm hoping that it's just a problem on my end and that when I post this, it'll turn out as typed.
Nothing wrong with a good remake now and then. I guess I fall into the camp that liked Pale Rider. I enjoyed seeing Leland McKenzie (can't remember the actor's name off the top of my head) as a villain.
'Wind and the Lion' is a terrific film; John Milius at his finest… we think TR is represented quite well and the whole period is captured accurately.
The taking of Tangiers- the sequence you all are referring to- is taught to all Marine officer candidates as a textbook example of how to assault a fortified area- something Milius is extremely proud of. It's also why Sir Sean has John Milius as his designated script doctor (see 'Hunt for Red October' for examples)…
It is a strange and wonderous world where the Russians are warning us about our slide into a Marxist regime. We must take notice because they are correct!
actually folks, 'Pale Rider' is more of a companion piece to 'High Plains Drifter' without the Fellini-esque sideshow… the 'Shane' thing has been done literally dozens of times (see Budd Boetticher/Anthony Mann westerns of the 50's).
'Pale Rider' is not one of Eastwood's more compelling westerns; we think 'The Beguiled' actually wears better than this one…
CONTRIBUTOR: Andrew Price - May 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I like High Plains Drifter better. Pale Rider seemed like a commercial grade re-make of HPD.
If you had told me when Reagan was President that the Russian would ever warn us about our slide into Marxisim (or that the Chinese would be more capitalist then we are), I would have told you that you needed to learn to "just say no to drugs." But reality makes fools of us all.
TR is a hard subject to deal with because the man was so versatile and there are so many angles from which to approach him. The Wind and the Lion portrays TR as a man consumed with his own physical prowess, a man of bravado. TR definitely had these moments but he was also a very shred politician who could play on that image to get what he wanted. One only needs to read his papers and letters to see that here is someone who completely grasps the elements of any situation. We must remember that the man who spoke of the "manly qualities" and hunted big game also won the Nobel Peace Prize for stopping a major war in Asia and for keeping the first world war from happening in places like Algiers and in the Far East. Unfortunately, most biographies miss that in TR and either focus on his bravado or his love of life. The popular bios by Morris don't help. Morris focused on Elihu Root's quote that TR was "only six" and treats the president in a similar fashion. Brands offers a fine one volume biography but is a little dry in the middle.
Sorry to bore but teaching military and diplomatic history is my career.
you are correct on this; 'Drifter' is a far better film. Ultimately, 'Pale Rider' is fairly mediocre; if not for Clint it would have been confined to the dustbin of B grade westerns. The saving grace is the beyond the grave thing Clint has fallen back on going all the way back to 'Hang 'em High'…
agreed. TR was a complex man; born of wealth and providence he was a sickly youth who made himself into the picture of the what he considered the ideal outdoorsman. Brian Keith, a manly man if there ever was one (and a former Marine, natch) channeled the bravado and true determination of Teddy.
We remember him, Teddy, and 'Wind' extremely fondly…
Connery's performance in 'The Hill' is wonderful and he considered it a milestone in his career. Harry Andrews is magnificent as well…
Jimmy Arone - May 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I wish I never sold my cottage, across the street from the ocean, on Old Cape Cod. I'd be surrounded by a flock of seagulls, taking in those cool salt air breezes, while strolling down a sandy beach.
Oh well, need to get busy before the Housework Czar discovers me lollygagging here on the computer.
O.K. this may get a little bit away from Pale Rider, but are there any Cheyenne Bodie" fans out there? As a kid, that was my favorite of al;l the Warner Brothers rotational westerns that aired in the late 50's and early 60's. I always thought Cheyenne was a little bit more cerebral in some of the plots than most and Clint Walker had the strong, silent hero down to a tee.
I think you're right. Without Clint or even without being able to read the beyond the grave thing from Drifter into Pale Rider, Pale Rider would have been forgotten very quickly.
Well, if you go buy a couple of parrots and release them (assuming they are boy and girl parrots), you will have your flock in no time! I bet a flock of parrots is a beautiful thing to behold.
I guess we'll have to add the "Housework Czar" to the "Jimmy Czar". I think I see now how Obama plans to revive the "employment" market. . . Czar jobs for everyone! Yay.
I would think so. Though for all I know, they're evil birds that hate clean cars.
So all I need a boy parrot and a girl parrot, huh? Interesting. This must be the "birds" thing I keep hearing about. Now I just need to solve the "bees" question and my knowledge will be complete!
this is America when no one pays attention. After 9/11 I woke up and realized what I was missing. The news of what happened during Clinton's years went by me and I didnt realize it. Now we are stuck with this fraud of an American as our "leader".
There's a movie I loved as a kid called "The President's Analyst" which starred James Colbern. In it, a KGB agent tells the CIA agent that America is becoming more like Russia and Russia is becoming more like America. That movie came out in the 1960s. It was prophecy.
Wonderful article, what? Putin has warned us and now this piece, both suggest the Soviet experiment with socialism and communism were a complete bust. Yet, with the foresight of a mole, our leadership continues down that path toward an engineered utopian society and centrally controlled financial system (I pray it's not sinister). I sometimes wonder if those folks aren't a little insane.
DohXs - May 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Coincidently around this time, Bill Maher discovered he was allergic to sheep, or as he said, they made his sticker peck out. And a film career was born.
Thanks. This article has been linked on a few pieces written @ Big Hollywood. It truly is an upside down world. One small error has the author citing Barney Frank as a senator and misspelling his name.
1. I no longer receive emails when my posts are replied to. Anyone else have this problem?
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Peter Montbriand - May 30th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
"Nothing like a good piece of hickory"
Peter Montbriand - May 30th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Initially communists, who later realized that the young, strong, and capable workers had no incentive to work hard. So they instituted a more market based approach to the colony and found themselves flourishing.
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Hootie -Blowfish - May 31st, 2009 at 3:44 am
I remember that clip fondly from TBS, first time I saw the whole movie to put it into context
My favorite anectdote about TR, was the time in Milwaukee in 1912 on his way to a speech, when he was shot by a would-be assassin. The bullet passed through the manuscript he was carrying, and lodged in his chest. Nonetheless, TR insisted on giving the speech, whipping out the bloody, perforated papers, declaring, "It takes more than this to kill a Bull Moose!"
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What? - May 31st, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Abortion is the murder!!!!!!!!!!
!st Degree – Pre-Meditated Murder is not teh Murder
John Roeder is the RW nuts biggest Idol Now I guess.
Can I hear an Amen?
CAN I hear an AMEN?
CAN I HEAR AN AAAAAMEN?????
EdGi - May 31st, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Andy, you might try to find an abode near the White House Correspondents or MSNBC studios to find flocks of preening parrots to entertain you.
There is a little of that shrewd politician in the movie, too, at least in the way he deals with reporters and dictates his "soundbites" to them. Milius is a great romantic first, history buff second; and so "The Wind and the Lion" is first of all a perfect "boy´s own" adventure movie. This one has it all – magnificient score, magnificient setting, great acting, quotable dialogue, horse stunts, dastardly Germans, romance in all its variants – and needs to come out on Blu Ray asap.
Milius revisited TR in his TV movie "The Rough Riders", which gives us a similar view. Fine performance by Tom Berenger.
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I hate to say it, but this was "Shane," almost beat for beast, as a ghost story. Very disappointing.
On the other hand…Eastwood redeemed himself with a lot of fine work after this.
"beat for beat."
Shucks.
Shane "tribute" or not, I've seen pretty much every Clint Eastwood film from 1982 until 1993, and Pale Rider is one of his stronger efforts from this era of his career; it's a hell of a lot better than Firefox, City Heat, Pink Cadillac or The Rookie. Although for an "R" western, it's pretty tame.
Dirty Harry's Place was a better blog than Big Hollywood.
Saw Wind and the Lion last night, loved the Marines double timing through the streets of Tangier. To my mind, that was the climax of the movie. All the chess playing and Roosevelt bloviating, while nice, was just filler.
As someone said earlier, it was a Shane remake but I enjoyed it. It is a good afternoon relaxing type western. The only part I found disturbing was the infatuation of the girl for the much older man.
I saw the Wind and the Lion a long time ago. It does not present TR in the most favorable light. It is however based on a true story but Candace B. was a man in real life and Sean C. real life counterpart had few redeeming qualities. I watched the Great Train Robbery, which I think came on after the Wind and the Lion. Good stuff.
I found "Pale Rider" a disappointment. Just nothing much there. It was around this time that Eastwood announced that he was allergic to horses. Maybe that had something to do with it.
I judge most Eastwood flics by the azz whuppin scenes. The first one in town, with the axe handle and the last one in town make it a good movie. The middle I can take or leave. But any time it's on I try to see the two scenes mentioned. The look on the Marshall's face, right before he leaves this world, is fantastic!
Concerning Connery, if you haven't seen The Hill, catch it next time it's on TCM. Great work!
Is it just me, or is anyone else having a problem commenting on this site? For the first five seconds of typing this, I saw random simboys in place of the letters I'm typing. And now I'm seeing nothing at all. I'm hoping that it's just a problem on my end and that when I post this, it'll turn out as typed.
Well, what do you know?
Nothing wrong with a good remake now and then. I guess I fall into the camp that liked Pale Rider. I enjoyed seeing Leland McKenzie (can't remember the actor's name off the top of my head) as a villain.
'Wind and the Lion' is a terrific film; John Milius at his finest… we think TR is represented quite well and the whole period is captured accurately.
The taking of Tangiers- the sequence you all are referring to- is taught to all Marine officer candidates as a textbook example of how to assault a fortified area- something Milius is extremely proud of. It's also why Sir Sean has John Milius as his designated script doctor (see 'Hunt for Red October' for examples)…
John Locke,
I have been unable to comment on a previous comment for a week. Making a new comment is fine, but can't do a sub-comment (is that a word?)
hey, did you guys read this yet?
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/10745...
It is a strange and wonderous world where the Russians are warning us about our slide into a Marxist regime. We must take notice because they are correct!
actually folks, 'Pale Rider' is more of a companion piece to 'High Plains Drifter' without the Fellini-esque sideshow… the 'Shane' thing has been done literally dozens of times (see Budd Boetticher/Anthony Mann westerns of the 50's).
'Pale Rider' is not one of Eastwood's more compelling westerns; we think 'The Beguiled' actually wears better than this one…
I like High Plains Drifter better. Pale Rider seemed like a commercial grade re-make of HPD.
If you had told me when Reagan was President that the Russian would ever warn us about our slide into Marxisim (or that the Chinese would be more capitalist then we are), I would have told you that you needed to learn to "just say no to drugs." But reality makes fools of us all.
Open thread. . . cool. In that case:
I wish a flock of parrots lived in the woods near my house. That would kind of neat.
TR is a hard subject to deal with because the man was so versatile and there are so many angles from which to approach him. The Wind and the Lion portrays TR as a man consumed with his own physical prowess, a man of bravado. TR definitely had these moments but he was also a very shred politician who could play on that image to get what he wanted. One only needs to read his papers and letters to see that here is someone who completely grasps the elements of any situation. We must remember that the man who spoke of the "manly qualities" and hunted big game also won the Nobel Peace Prize for stopping a major war in Asia and for keeping the first world war from happening in places like Algiers and in the Far East. Unfortunately, most biographies miss that in TR and either focus on his bravado or his love of life. The popular bios by Morris don't help. Morris focused on Elihu Root's quote that TR was "only six" and treats the president in a similar fashion. Brands offers a fine one volume biography but is a little dry in the middle.
Sorry to bore but teaching military and diplomatic history is my career.
you are correct on this; 'Drifter' is a far better film. Ultimately, 'Pale Rider' is fairly mediocre; if not for Clint it would have been confined to the dustbin of B grade westerns. The saving grace is the beyond the grave thing Clint has fallen back on going all the way back to 'Hang 'em High'…
agreed. TR was a complex man; born of wealth and providence he was a sickly youth who made himself into the picture of the what he considered the ideal outdoorsman. Brian Keith, a manly man if there ever was one (and a former Marine, natch) channeled the bravado and true determination of Teddy.
We remember him, Teddy, and 'Wind' extremely fondly…
Connery's performance in 'The Hill' is wonderful and he considered it a milestone in his career. Harry Andrews is magnificent as well…
I wish I never sold my cottage, across the street from the ocean, on Old Cape Cod. I'd be surrounded by a flock of seagulls, taking in those cool salt air breezes, while strolling down a sandy beach.
Oh well, need to get busy before the Housework Czar discovers me lollygagging here on the computer.
O.K. this may get a little bit away from Pale Rider, but are there any Cheyenne Bodie" fans out there? As a kid, that was my favorite of al;l the Warner Brothers rotational westerns that aired in the late 50's and early 60's. I always thought Cheyenne was a little bit more cerebral in some of the plots than most and Clint Walker had the strong, silent hero down to a tee.
I think you're right. Without Clint or even without being able to read the beyond the grave thing from Drifter into Pale Rider, Pale Rider would have been forgotten very quickly.
Well, if you go buy a couple of parrots and release them (assuming they are boy and girl parrots), you will have your flock in no time! I bet a flock of parrots is a beautiful thing to behold.
That sounds pretty nice! I do love the ocean.
I guess we'll have to add the "Housework Czar" to the "Jimmy Czar". I think I see now how Obama plans to revive the "employment" market. . . Czar jobs for everyone! Yay.
If April showers bring May flowers, what do Mayflowers bring?
Pilgrims.
I would think so. Though for all I know, they're evil birds that hate clean cars.
So all I need a boy parrot and a girl parrot, huh? Interesting. This must be the "birds" thing I keep hearing about. Now I just need to solve the "bees" question and my knowledge will be complete!
You might be right about the evil parrot part. Though they may try to steal your car instead.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090530/ap_on_re_as/a...
When you solve the "bee" part let everyone know.
It did seem homier there, didn't it?
Plus, I miss the daily dose of pulchritude.
Moving Trucks.
Al Bundy had some geat one liners on that show
Sydney Biddle Barrows?
this is America when no one pays attention. After 9/11 I woke up and realized what I was missing. The news of what happened during Clinton's years went by me and I didnt realize it. Now we are stuck with this fraud of an American as our "leader".
Yeah, but instead of a boy you had a hot looking Phoebe Cates
allergies
There's a movie I loved as a kid called "The President's Analyst" which starred James Colbern. In it, a KGB agent tells the CIA agent that America is becoming more like Russia and Russia is becoming more like America. That movie came out in the 1960s. It was prophecy.
Didn't realize I missed the pulchritude till I looked that word up. Also prefer my hippies filthy and stinking.
I remember that. Who would have guessed?
Liberty
Wonderful article, what? Putin has warned us and now this piece, both suggest the Soviet experiment with socialism and communism were a complete bust. Yet, with the foresight of a mole, our leadership continues down that path toward an engineered utopian society and centrally controlled financial system (I pray it's not sinister). I sometimes wonder if those folks aren't a little insane.
Coincidently around this time, Bill Maher discovered he was allergic to sheep, or as he said, they made his sticker peck out. And a film career was born.
Heartbreak Ridge.
I love Brian Keith. Agreed.
Thanks. This article has been linked on a few pieces written @ Big Hollywood. It truly is an upside down world. One small error has the author citing Barney Frank as a senator and misspelling his name.
Other than that, life goes on.
Great headshot by the way.
Current blog issues:
1. I no longer receive emails when my posts are replied to. Anyone else have this problem?
2. Why did the user ratings stop getting updated and will that ever be fixed?
3. Why do we still have to use the "thumbs up, then reload" trick in order to see all of the replies to comments?
"Nothing like a good piece of hickory"
Initially communists, who later realized that the young, strong, and capable workers had no incentive to work hard. So they instituted a more market based approach to the colony and found themselves flourishing.
No one can write quite like Harry, that's for sure—grammatical errors notwithstanding.
1. Someone else mentioned that. Call up your ID page and Edit Profile, see if that option is still activated (lower right side).
2. AndrewPrice broke it when he hit 100. I strongly suspect the ID system is overloaded and they have turned off certain "unneeded" features to reduce overhead while hopefully they are fixing things behind the scenes. AP was pegged at 101 and likewise all ratings are now static until they fix it, however due to the enormous volume of old replies that would have to be tabulated it seems likely there will be an "oops" and everyone may be reset.
3. Thumbs up or down, same result. The system is walking wounded and appears to forget what it was doing, such as properly saving a reply and updating the thread thus it ends up disappearing, which can be "fixed" by posting again at the same spot which forces the update, except if you delete the "fix" the system reverts and the reply hides again. You may notice by a short reply count that it has not fully accounted for one or more replies. Likewise doing something to the page forces it to re-form the displayed page, whether a thumbs up or posting a comment, neither of which I have found to work consistently. My best results come from changing the Sort By order, although sometimes nothing works and it is best to leave the page for awhile until the system sorts itself out.
I remember that clip fondly from TBS, first time I saw the whole movie to put it into context
My favorite anectdote about TR, was the time in Milwaukee in 1912 on his way to a speech, when he was shot by a would-be assassin. The bullet passed through the manuscript he was carrying, and lodged in his chest. Nonetheless, TR insisted on giving the speech, whipping out the bloody, perforated papers, declaring, "It takes more than this to kill a Bull Moose!"
1. I checked. It is still activated. I will try unchecking and rechecking it. Doing that, it told me that my email address was not verified. I went ahead and did that. Perhaps this will fix the problem.
2 & 3. Whatever the cause, the fact that these are still broken is quite lame. Internet message boards with this functionality have been available for about a decade. I could understand these things being broken for a few days or even a week. But it has been like this for months.
Abortion is the murder!!!!!!!!!!
!st Degree – Pre-Meditated Murder is not teh Murder
John Roeder is the RW nuts biggest Idol Now I guess.
Can I hear an Amen?
CAN I hear an AMEN?
CAN I HEAR AN AAAAAMEN?????
Andy, you might try to find an abode near the White House Correspondents or MSNBC studios to find flocks of preening parrots to entertain you.
Sorry Ken, when I hit 101, I went to the IntenseDebate offices and yanked out their chip-fluid hoses, so that no one could catch me.
I agree with you though, I'd like to see them fix this.
There is a little of that shrewd politician in the movie, too, at least in the way he deals with reporters and dictates his "soundbites" to them. Milius is a great romantic first, history buff second; and so "The Wind and the Lion" is first of all a perfect "boy´s own" adventure movie. This one has it all – magnificient score, magnificient setting, great acting, quotable dialogue, horse stunts, dastardly Germans, romance in all its variants – and needs to come out on Blu Ray asap.
Milius revisited TR in his TV movie "The Rough Riders", which gives us a similar view. Fine performance by Tom Berenger.
Message boards that work are normally found on the originating site's servers, and running Linux BTW. Since BH is using the ID service your mileage may vary.
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